From 'Moyessiah' to Pariah?

Has David Moyes's conduct and rhetoric over Manchester United's attempts to lure away Baines and Fellaini forever damaged his legacy at Everton?

Lyndon Lloyd 24/08/2013 99comments  |  Jump to last

"I think other football clubs should not talk about players from other clubs in the media. If you do that, youre destabilising the player or the club. I would hope I dont do that."
David Moyes August 2009

Though he endeared himself to Evertonians with his famous "People's Club" quote upon his assumption of the Goodison Park hotseat and effected a patient, pragmatic evolution that transformed the Blues from a relegation-threatened club in 2002 to a model of consistency perennially challenging in and around the Premier League's top six, David Moyes was not always a unifying figure during his 11 years with Everton.

You only had to look at the editorial team of this website to see wild variations in opinion on the man once dubbed the "Moyessiah" by Blues fans, but even though he retained his harshest critics to the end of an impressively consistent tenure, the send-off he received from Everton supporters following the last home game of last season against West Ham was evidence of the respect and gratitude that the majority of the fan base had for a man who, if nothing else, restored pride at Goodison.

Much of that was down to the manner in which he conducted himself as Everton's manager class and dignity were seemingly his modus operandi brooking no disrespect from rival clubs and managers and insisting that if he had to lose his best players to meet the realities of the club's financial situation, he would never let them go on the cheap. No matter how you felt about his methods and approach to how his teams played the game on the field, Moyes was always a great ambassador for Everton off the pitch and one assumed that having spent so long in the role not to mention the old Blue adage of "once Everton has touched you, nothing is ever the same" that the canny Scot had developed a real affection for our club.

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He will almost certainly say he did but if the events of the past 10 days have demonstrated anything it's that the business of being Manchester United manager has clearly trumped any lingering loyalty to Everton FC or sense of appreciation for the special relationship he repeatedly stated that he enjoyed with Bill Kenwright.

Though the new chief executive at Old Trafford, Ed Woodward, will have initiated the derisory 28m joint bid for Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines last week, it would be naive to believe that Moyes's knowledge of the inner workings of Everton's finances and perhaps the minds of the two players as well weren't leveraged to a degree in formulating the offer. Whatever his role, the insultingly low bid made a mockery of Moyes's insistence during his time at Everton that "we don't sell our players cheap." His successor, Roberto Martinez, rightly felt that it was disrespectful coming from a peer and a former Everton manager who has built his reputation on respectful conduct.

That miserly attempt to draw away two of Martinez's best players, on the eve of the new season no less, was quite enough to kindle the fire that would start burning Moyes's bridge to Goodison Park but the staggering double-down hypocrisy of his comments published in the press today, where he suggests Everton should do what is best for the two players he covets and sell them to United, have thrown petrol over the flames. It's as if he has forgotten entirely his anger at the manner in which Manchester City unsettled Joleon Lescott four years ago at a similar juncture of the season, together with his quote that accompanied his ire at Mark Hughes that he did not feel it was appropriate for managers to discuss the contracted players of other clubs in the media. Crucially, City came through with a transfer offer commensurate with Lescott's value; United are some distance short of doing the same.

Ultimately, while it is jarring to see Moyes lapse so quickly into the it's-only-business demeanour demanded by his new position in the hottest of hot seats and at his old club's expense, the fact remains that modern-day football can be an ugly thing off the field. So, while there was a belief that the ex-manager's time at our beloved club might have engendered sufficient affection for the Blues that he would honour the gentleman's agreement with Kenwright that he would not come back and try to lure Everton's best assets away, we should not be surprised that the callousness of business appears to have trumped all in this case.

Through his words and conduct, though, Moyes has unquestionably damaged his legacy and standing at Everton. Assuredly guaranteed before this episode a warm reception next April irrespective of the situation the respective clubs might find themselves in come United's next visit to Goodison, he now risks returning to his old stomping ground as a pariah, his time with the Blues viewed as a means to his own ends.

Many might start to look back at his tenure at Everton through an altered prism now, one through which his apparent lack of emotion at leaving Goodison in May, his decision to run down his contract and leave the club bereft of any compensation, and the murky timescale of his knowledge and acceptance of the United succession start to overshadow the many impressive achievements he had as our manager.

What Moyes may also have done, though, is strengthen Everton's resolve to resist further overtures from along the M62 for our best players and galvanise the fans behind Martinez as he begins his time at the Goodison helm. Certainly, if the vitriol and injury that greeted the revelation of the ex-boss's comments on social media is any inidication, Goodison could be fired up this afternoon for the visit of West Brom in a show of defiance that we Blues have moved on.

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Chris James
1 Posted 24/08/2013 at 07:29:14
Good balanced argument as always Lyndon.
I'm following the developments with interest in various media (although most stories seem to be essentially reporting on each other and offering differing spins on the initial quote/misquote - indeed looking at the different ways outlets are reporting the same statement illustrates how ludicrous it is to believe in some fundamental objective media truth).

The interesting thing for me is the final paragraph of your piece, i.e. assuming the statements are actually true and are being taken as Moyes intended, then the whole thing is surely going to be counter productive to Utd/DM's aims (i.e. acquiring Baines/Fellaini at the best price). This is the thing that just doesn't ring true for me, it's all completely out of keeping with the way Utd and DM have behaved historically and I simply don't understand what they'd have to gain.

If anyone will benefit from this, it's Everton/RM/Us who'll be able to use the coverage to become outraged, close ranks and adopt a siege mentality to either keep the players or demand a LOT more for them.

Jimmy Hill
2 Posted 24/08/2013 at 07:47:19
There is one thing Moyers has not taken in to account. He is not Alex Ferguson and has proven nothing yet and it becoming obvious thta he has no pulling power. He is now desperate. Why didn't he come after these guys straight away.
There are doubts about whether he can take United forward. I expect Fellaini to go, but I think Baines is a bit smarter and listening to his recent interviews I don't think he rates of Moyes enough to move.

I'd be happy for a straight swop for Rooney. ( I know I'm dreaming) but I would test the waters if RM.

Moyes is showing every underhand tactic there. Shame not Evertonians are losing respect for the man but many in the media and the game in general.


Robbie Shields
3 Posted 24/08/2013 at 07:57:13
All together now.......

"Oh Davie Moyes, Davie Davie Davie Moyes....."

nah, perhaps not. I stopped singing that particular song after he had a go at us supporters after the Tottenham home game and his 'negative' substitutions. Right then I thought.... "Erm, hang on, who the fuck are you to tell us lifelong supporters that we don't know anything about football you arrogant, tactically inept bottler", from then on he just got worse and worse and worse in my opinion with the negative tactics, sound bites and demeanor.

How about a chorus of....

"Who the fuck, who the fuck, who the fuck is David Moyes, who the fuckmis David Moyes......"

Now that's a song I could sing my throat sore on. I believe everyone gets there just deserts in life, eventually, Moyes is about to get his in spades, and PDQ too :)


Andy McNabb
4 Posted 24/08/2013 at 07:59:33
Anyone who has ever read my comments on this site will know I was firmly in favour of Moyes during his tenure.

I emailed my brother last night to say how quickly that affection could evaporate. As a Liverpool supporter, he always grudgingly admired our manager as someone of whom we could be proud, compared to the pantomime that had gone on at Anfield for some time.

Here's what he wrote.

"Sorry but my massive respect for Moyes has gone to plop. He knows how much it would damage Everton and are they really the only defender and midfielder in the world to go for? Dunno what Evra would think? If he
does get them it could even be more grief than worth, so apart from
being callous doesn't even seem wise."

If those are the thoughts of a Kopite, how are WE supposed to feel??

Peter Mills
6 Posted 24/08/2013 at 07:34:14
Premier League football, bloated, distorted, corrupt, manipulated by Sky, is a sleazy business. We put to one side our critical faculties because we have an affiliation to our Club, which will remain after the whole thing implodes.

David Moyes did a decent job for us. He was very well paid for doing it, and always made sure of that. He managed to convince his boss that he was indispensable, despite the fact that the performance of his job when it really mattered (a cup final, a derby semi-final, Europe, away matches against leading clubs) was feeble. He was never going to be one of the great Everton names, his conduct now is in some ways helpful to us. The most important words in Lyndon's column are the last five.

Tony Draper
9 Posted 24/08/2013 at 07:54:25
Well written Lyndon, you have pretty accurately mapped out my personal views of dm, and how they changed from his arrival to present day

Sadly, I truly believe that there are more chapters yet and that the "fall from grace" is not yet complete

Though significant (and growing) part of me does want him to fail in misery, I believe that because SAF's is still part of the machinery then I can not realistically see that happening. SAF is and will be the mentor that dm (or any successor at OT) will have available to turn to should they or mufc deem it necessary, and it WILL be necessary given SAF's immense legacy for a quarter of a century

DM has publicly stated that his duty is to his employers and doing what is best for them. This is a shameful self condemnation. his treatment of Everton over the final 18 months of his tenure flies squarely in the face of this "claim"

For me, DM is now more loathsome than Gordon Lee, but Gordon I detest for being shit, not being "a shit", DM now qualifies upon both accounts

Robbie Shields
10 Posted 24/08/2013 at 08:30:01
Oooo, yeh Peter, forgot about that one! an oldie but goodie :)
Ian Harrison
12 Posted 24/08/2013 at 08:31:42
Moyes is not capable of the Utd job, clearly the pressure of the situation is getting to him and he is resorting to desperate tactics to land players. Everyone is turning the club down because they realise that Moyes is not going to keep the success level that Fergie did so are choosing to stay at their clubs or go elsewhere. I don't believe Moyes is trying to disrespect anyone I just think he is a fish out of water struggling to breathe and panicking like the crap manager he truly is.

At Everton he ALWAYS had excuses ready for why things were never his fault, but now at Utd under the spotlight he realises he has no excuses to hide behind any more

Rob Smith
13 Posted 24/08/2013 at 08:37:34
I did respect this bloke when he managed us, now he reminds me of someone who has been bullied all his life but now through a slice of good fortune, he gets to be the bully and revels in it.
He almost infers that he still has a say over our players because Roberto is new, so he doesn't know squat about the Everton that Moyes built.

David Moyes fuck off!!! ( but not before you bid for Osman)

Adam Luszniak
14 Posted 24/08/2013 at 08:12:56
I was a big fan of his demeanour for a long time, leaving aside the performances his teams produced. This 'new' Moyes however has gone a long way to denigrating himself completely in my eyes. He is showing a complete lack of tact and respect and as others have rightly stated it's difficult to see how he is actually doing himself any favours.
Mark Kearns
15 Posted 24/08/2013 at 08:49:14
His recent comments have really shown him up in my eyes. The one about being grateful for leaving Old Trafford alive whenever he took us there. The now being able to look to win games, and now this if Sir Alex had come in for my players bollocks. If you want the players - just pay the selling clubs valuation or close to it.
Colin Glassar
16 Posted 24/08/2013 at 08:56:22
I never liked, or rated, him and I made it public where and whenever possible. He was an overpaid, boring, uninspiring, dithering, overbearing shithouse IMO. I'm glad he's gone, I'm glad no one wants to sign for him, I'm glad he squirms under the media glare and I'll be fucking made up when the mancs sack him.
John Crawley
17 Posted 24/08/2013 at 09:03:03
"Many might start to look back at his tenure at Everton through an altered prism now, one through which his apparent lack of emotion at leaving Goodison in May, his decision to run down his contract and leave the club bereft of any compensation, and the murky timescale of his knowledge and acceptance of the United succession start to overshadow the many impressive achievements he had as our manager"

Think that's about right Lyndon. What is interesting to me is will that be how Kenwright feels as well. There are already signs that Kenwright is very unhappy with Moyes (it's worth watching the video of Martinez's press conference to see his body language when asked by a journalist how Kenwright is feeling about the bid from man united)

Nick Entwistle
18 Posted 24/08/2013 at 08:57:38
Maybe someone can explain, because I do not see how Moyes' behaviour reflects that of Mark Hughes.

Mark Hughes spent time in press conferences (I think even before the bids were made) talking of his desire to sign Lescott so it was the bidding club who went public. Hughes, after Moyes had then publicly turned the bid(s) down, said that "[City] are still trying to speak to the people who will ultimately make the decision over whether or not the deal continues".

Moyes did not make the bid public, nor state he was going over the managers head. That is where his anger was directed. So where is the hypocrisy?

If the bid was low, it wasn't done in public, reflected the Utd MO as they play low-ball. Anyone remember Negredo for 7m?

I think Radzinski was moved on shortly after saying it would be best for Rooney's career if he moved. But once Everton went public and said the bid was derisory and insulting, it opened up this 'saga' to press conference shenanigans and that is what we have here.

Now it is all public it is nothing we haven't seen in a large percentage of transfers fueling headlines. Come to think of it, have Madrid even bid for Bale yet?

A private bid, two weeks before the window closes and now he's a capital C. No, he's just another manager who made a bid for our players.

I'm not here to tell anyone he's amazing or say move on or make some analogy about losing your bird... but neither would any of us want to see Cahill or Big Dunc unfairly attacked.

But then as Michael said on another thread, are we all just getting sucked into the pantomime?

Dave Charles
19 Posted 24/08/2013 at 09:09:00
Good post and a red rag to a bull type of post for our very own Tony Marsh. I can't wait for Tony to respond.

Enjoy the match and weekend everyone. COYB.

Jimmy Srheim
20 Posted 24/08/2013 at 09:02:40
Something just hit me.

What IF Bill Kenwright has instructed Moyes to do all this in order for him to regain his stature among the fans when he goes out in the media refusing to sell.

Remember he has lost many fans during the crest fiasco.

I think the gentlemans agreement is still standing, but Moyes is only doing this on behalf of Kenwright, so Kenwright can look as our hero when he in the end refuses to sell.

You know, I am not this gullable, there is something fishy going on here.

Either it is true that Moyes has broken the oral agreement where he could end up liable for civil action in court, or Kenwright has asked his friend to do him a favour to help him regain the supporters trust after he betrayed them by creating a horrible new crest behind the fans back.

In my view even though I am happy we are rid of Moyes, we still have a cancer left in Bill Kenwright.

The man is a charleton, he can NEVER be trusted to do the right thing, never.
He is a liar. The way he lied about Moyes leaving, and said he did not know anything until we all did.
Somehow I find that hard to swallow given how often Moyes and Bill talk to eachother.

What do the rest of you think about Bill if he is in fact playing the fans with Moyes help?

Jim Potter
21 Posted 24/08/2013 at 08:25:08
When he was our manager I backed him regardless - as he was our manager.

Unfortunately he has revealed himself to be a total hypocrite.

he has tried to turn our players' heads through press speculation and dirty tricks. He has deliberately tried to de-stabilise our club.

I still have respect for his tenure as our manager - but little the man himself now.

it has left me fuming. Sod him.

Robbie Muldoon
22 Posted 24/08/2013 at 09:14:14
Arrogant, patronising, and hypocritical. That's a fitting description of Moyes at the moment.

He's cracking under the pressure, do I really believe his comments that he would have stepped aside and allowed Baines and Fellaini to leave on the cheap if it was Alex Ferguson approaching him? I don't know. Probably.

He talks about thinking of the players best interests, mate that's why they have agents. You were paid 4m a year by a club struggling financially to do the best for EVERTON.

Did he ever actually get Everton at all? I never rated him as a top manager, how could you of a man who persisted with Phil Neville in midfield and sometimes played with zero strikers on the pitch? But I realised after last years game to Liverpool away when he rested half the team that he didn't actually understand Everton... or he had just become so arrogant he didn't care. It's one of two, either way he's burnt his bridges now. Thank god we'll never see him here again.

Andy Amey
23 Posted 24/08/2013 at 09:30:24
Well....... I was an Evertonian before Moyes was anything to do with our club.... And I am still an Evertonian

He had my support whilst he was here

But now he is the United manager and is of no relevance to any of us anymore

Just like any other club, if he wants our players, he will have to pay what we ask.

Kev Johnson
29 Posted 24/08/2013 at 10:10:05
I think he is, KT. He is certainly a very inarticulate man, and that leads him to regularly contradict himself. Sometimes what he says makes little or no sense - there is little logic or structure to his utterances.

I don't like to dismiss someone as stupid, as people have different levels of education. Plainly, you can get pig-ignorant professors and highly intelligent people who were just no good at school. Having said that, and bearing in mind the vagaries of the education system, I would still have to conclude that DM is quite simply a dumb fuck.

Steve Jones
31 Posted 24/08/2013 at 10:32:49
Neville Southall put it well as unethical and hypocritical behaviour, at the end of the day he is acting like any random manager trying to get the best deal for his club, but at the same time using 'insider' knowledge to do it.
It's the intimation that he speaks to Kenwright directly on a weekly basis, above Martinez's head, and he knows what we will sell for without our manager having much to say about it that really upsets me, so can you imagine how Roberto feels? His next comments will be interesting, although I am sure he will show restraint and class and not say what we all feel.
There is clearly arrogance from Moyes who thinks he can still exert some influence over Everton, our chairman and our players, but it's nice to see Mourinho bullying him over Rooney. Man United have now taken over from City as the Manchester team we all want to beat.
Paul Kelly
32 Posted 24/08/2013 at 10:51:25
All joking aside Nick, do you not see what the rest of us see? Do you not think TGT is treating us,(and i'll choose my words carefully)like a bunch of c**ts? From stringing us along with his 'contract negotiations',when he had no intention of staying with us to his latest outburst and all that's in between?

And in response to us letting the cat out of the bag regarding the private 28 m bid for our two highest profile players, do you not think we deserve the right to know what shits they (TGT and utd) have been with such a miserly bid?

Rob Smith
33 Posted 24/08/2013 at 10:48:11
One point of mention, the common belief is Felli cost 15 mill plus add ons but from what I can see it was 15 mill euros only 12.9 mill pound, so his buyout clause was probably a fair price, hopefully makes Moyes gag knowing how much he has to pay this time to get him, he won't like paying for a player he considers he made.
John Crawley
34 Posted 24/08/2013 at 11:00:16
Nick in my opinion what Moyes is doing with regard to Fellaini is worse than what Hughes did over Lescott.

Imagine if Lescott had had a buy out clause in his contract for a certain amount and then Hughes hadn't bid when that clause was in operation; then came out with a bid two days before the opening game of the season for a bid that valued Lescott at the same price for which Everton originally paid; then said that Everton should accept that bid and let Lescott go so that he could further his career; then said that the current manager at Everton didn't know what he was talking about.

Imagine all that because that is exactly what Moyes has done over Fellaini.

Steve Jones
36 Posted 24/08/2013 at 10:38:50
Good article, Lyndon.

I think Moyes is now showing his true colours. People talked of his loyalty to us but I don't think before United came for him he had another opportunity to leave and he was certainly paid over the odds in comparison to his success or lack of.

His hypocrisy is now clear for all to see, some may pick at semantics in a defence of Moyes but the bottom line is he is acting in a way now that he openly criticised on a number of previous occasions as you state. Having had a 12m bid for Baines rejected and knowing that Felliani's release clause was between 23 & 25m how on earth is 28m for the two not derisory? The even further attempts to unsettle the players so close to the end of the window smack of complete and utter hypocrisy too.

I posted an article, I think I called it 'Moyes a man of Morals?' (I'm on my phone so can't find it) just after it was announced he was leaving reflecting your point in the penultimate paragraph and was in the main derided for questioning how long Moyes knew he was going to United for and his selfish actions in the last 6 months of his time here.

I was also mocked for saying the day United announced him taking over for the benefit of their shareholders, he should've been walked off site. If what he is doing now isn't about as close to insider trading in football as you can get, I don't know what is, he is using his knowledge of our finances,or lack of, and the way Kenwright operates to try & get players on the cheap.

Unfortunately, it wouldn't surprise me if both leave with no time to replace them with a weepy Kenwright saying the players pushed for the moves, couldn't stand in their way etc etc. If they do go last minute, by January there'll be about a third of the money available for Martinez to spend.

To bring the comparison to the present day, I'd suggest Moyes & anyone who wishes to defend him looks at his club's aghast response to the Rooney situation and Chelsea's bids, they have stated he is not for sale and are unhappy at continued bids, ring any bells, Davey boy?

Robbie Shields
38 Posted 24/08/2013 at 11:09:11
Great points well made John, this is far far worse than what Hughes did. What really pisses me off is that we let TGT continue to Manage us when he had agreed to join United, thereby giving him all the time in the world to tap them up INTERNALLY. BK is a complete and utter TIT, so naive as to be a complete and utter fool.

At the time I believed Moyes should be told to pack his bags and fuck off, but no, we paid his salary whilst he worked for United and tapped up our players no less.

Kenwright has a lot to answer for, he can start by telling Moyes and United to fuck off, Fellaini will cost you $30 million, and you simply cannot afford to buy Baines.


Steve Green
40 Posted 24/08/2013 at 11:18:51
Can you remember the days when you used to see a posting from Doddy (or similar - depending on your viewpoint) and just keep on scrolling cos you knew it wouldn't be worth considering and you'd never get that time back - well that's were I am with this Nick Entwistle bloke recently. Bangs on about debate but doesn't provide much reasonable material to enable a debate. Me thinks he is just one of those blokes who gets off on it all. Starve the oxygen and you extinguish the flame. Cue some lamentable outrage.
Eugene Ruane
42 Posted 24/08/2013 at 10:36:22
Kind of reminds of Jimmy Swaggart, the (another?) 'Christian' Preacher who spent decades telling the world the difference between right and wrong...before being caught with a hooker in a cheap New Orleans hotel room in early 1988 (followed by a tearful televised confession, then er..he got caught with his kecks down again, with another hooker in 1991).

Maybe we can look forward to one of these (see below) 'forgive me' type pleas in the future.

David Williams
44 Posted 24/08/2013 at 11:43:29
Extract from Howard Kendall's new book 'Love And Marriage',

"In any case, I would never under any circumstances work against the interests of a football club I was managing to further my own as a manager elsewhere later on. That just wasnt the way I worked."

Contrast this with OFM's refusal to sign a new contract at Everton so as better to engineer his move to MUFC. This wasn't just a personal matter, it created instability at our club.
Perhaps this thought was in Howard's mind when he penned these words.

Football is more than just a business, something that OFM seems unable to comprehend.

Clive Lewis
46 Posted 24/08/2013 at 11:51:30
It seems that Moyes is trying to emulate Mourinho in his tactics with Rooney. The only thing is Mourinho is good at it and Moyes just looks like a tosser now.
Although I am not a fan of Mourinho it was quite entertaining to here his thoughts on Moyes and Alec Ferguson, The psycological way he piles pressure on Moyes, the double meanings and the obvious emaphasis on the man Moyes really is, was great.

its 1 min 25 in on the video.

Wayne Smyth
47 Posted 24/08/2013 at 10:21:47
Nick you're either very naive or of the see-no-evil-hear-no-evil when it comes to certain favourite people.

"I definitely do but I also know that if I'd been Everton manager and Sir Alex had come asking for Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini, I'd have found it very difficult to keep them because I always felt the right thing to do was what was right for the players," he said

Either it's libel by the Daily Mail or its quite clearly an attempt to publicly turn our players' heads.

Can you really believe that had SAF bid 16M for Fellaini, Moyes would've turned around said "Sorry felli, but you've got more chance of winning trophies at Utd and earning more cash, so I'm going to need to let you go for your own good"?

Moyes is a hypocrite and a liar. He is not interested in what's best for the players, he's interested in what's best for David Moyes, and if he fucks over players, or past/current clubs, then he seems to have no problem with that.

To be honest I thought he was well past his time to leave, and was glad to see him go. That said, I was always impressed to some degree by his determination to do things in the right way. Quite frankly I'm astonished by how quickly his attitude has changed.

Maybe its the pressure of the new job and his failure to bring in new players, but from his "I don't talk about players at other clubs" quote while with us, to the his new style of management, it seems a 180 degree turn from a decent hard-working manager who most of us at least respected, to despicable arsehole ready to undermine his previous club as soon as he's out the door.

If I were bill kenwright I'd come out publicly and state that given the comments made, there is zero chance of any players being sold to Utd at any price. If the players want to move to a richer club, then they can move to one of the other rich clubs in this league or abroad, but not them.

On the positive side, I think its two less team talks that will need to be made by RM this season.

Ross Edwards
48 Posted 24/08/2013 at 12:38:49
I think I've been proved right about this man. All the things I've said about him that I've been slaughtered for. I think I this last week has shown that what I've been saying since I've joined was spot on.
Tony Marsh
49 Posted 24/08/2013 at 12:49:27
Here, here, Ross.

I have been saying it for 8 years now and had nothing but ridicule on here. Well there's enough people feeling like tits right now who are venting anti-Moyes shite all too late, I'm afraid. It should've been said while Moyes was here. It was there for all to see but the trouble was too many fans didn't want to look.

We should go for a bevy, Ross; great minds and all that. Ha ha ha.... You're right, Ross, you were right all along and so was I. Large dollops of humble pie all round, methinks.

David Holroyd
50 Posted 24/08/2013 at 12:53:25
Integrity was always a word I associated with David Moyes, that shows you what I know.He shows now his true colours, red.Is he really saying Lescott was worth 24 million and Fellaini is worth less four years later.He is trying to bully Everton into excepting a bid which is clearly below the market value, shame on you Moyes you ginger twat.
David Chait
51 Posted 24/08/2013 at 13:23:43
The value of the bid aside... Or his current statement... I agree with much Nick is saying.... Primarily it was NOT Manure that made the bid public. It was us!

The question is why would we?
Was it our attempt to speed along negotiations and have a huge step up in value by trying to embarrass them?
Are we publicly trying to make Moyes out to be a bad man thereby smoothing the transition to RM with the fans?
Or we're we just so aghast at the bid we felt it important to publicly admonish it?
Or have the club decided to play open cards with its fans from now on letting them know everything inside our club?

Knowing BK like we do.. Do you trust him to be just playing open or actually just playing tough ball negotiations?

Saying that.. DM stating he would not hold back players is bullshit ... But part of the game that has started between our mgt and theirs. Maybe he is also playing bad guy to let us all "move on" .. Yeah.. That's bollocks.

Wayne Smyth
52 Posted 24/08/2013 at 13:40:44
David, the bid was public knowledge before officially made public by Everton.

I suspect it was Man U or someone associated with them that did it.

Derek Knox
53 Posted 24/08/2013 at 13:01:51
Eugene ( # 092 )

Just been watching the YouTube clip, I must admit, I seem to loosely remember the incident now, but time had almost erased it completely. I could not help but notice the similarities between him and our now departed (geographically) former manager. There could be a closer connection, American Cousins and all that, a sort of Jimmy McSwaggart (same reddish hair) and Sir Alex's nickname was 'Taggart' rhyming connection.

The insincerity of both, also draws the inevitable comparisons, the obvious forgiving nature of the congregation, however, does not, amongst the Everton fans.

I think it will not be long, following the revelations this week, before his new fan base follow suit.

Patrick Murphy
54 Posted 24/08/2013 at 13:38:52
Whatever the truth and whether it is one giant pantomime involving the usual characters, Bill Kenwright and David Moyes I do not want the Everton Chariman talking to his former employee every week, if he's got time to talk to an ex-employee he's got the time to find investment into the club. In the same way I wouldn't want Martinez talking to Whelan every other week. I don't know what Man U fans must think when they see their manager talking to his ex-chairman on a regular basis but I imagine they won't be too enamored by it.

Like many I do think both players will leave before the deadline and that probably Barry and McCarthy will arrive.

One good thing about what Moyes has said, is that it will make the rest of the Everton squad, realise that he, as their manager, had little faith in their collective abilities and hopefully they will prove him wrong over the course of this season.

Ged Simpson
55 Posted 24/08/2013 at 13:56:26
Maybe searching for investment 23 and a half / 7 now
Paul Andrews
56 Posted 24/08/2013 at 14:00:14

If Moyes was ever caught with his kecks down you can bet your last nicker Mr Chairman would present himself at the trades men's entrance

Paul Andrews
57 Posted 24/08/2013 at 14:01:44
Steve Pugh
58 Posted 24/08/2013 at 14:12:17
Can somebody tell me where Man Utd said that they had made a bid, I know that the media monkeys where all making the usual guesses that United where interested etc, but we have heard that enough times about our own club to know that it is often bull.

The first time that I heard about an actual bid was from Everton.

Gavin McGarvey
59 Posted 24/08/2013 at 14:18:28
Good post David 142

I guess we'll only really know once the transfer window closes. If David Moyes is standing with Fellaini and Baines at a Man U press conference then the fact that Everton made the bid public will look decidedly fishy.

Of the four options you've put forward the first two seem the more likely as Everton have previous for both of them. In fact they both feature in more or less every big transfer we've been involved in while BK has been chairman.

Moyes commenting on the bid was a bad move in my opinion as it sets a bad precedent. How then can you complain when other managers talk about your players? Not that I care but a lot of his press statements have been quite amateurish since he went to Man U. Certainly Ferguson would have been too smart to have been tricked into saying them, as they have created stories that are of no particular benefit to Man U.

Jackie Barry
60 Posted 24/08/2013 at 14:26:52
Well Steve I saw reports about the bid well before the OS was showing anything. Any way although he goes on about ti being us leaking it he seems all to happy to talk about it now and try unsettling our players.
Ian Hollingworth
62 Posted 24/08/2013 at 15:47:55
Everton shoud not have made the bid public.
However that does not alter the facts
1. David Moyes is talking about players at other clubs
2. Utd have made a bid well below the valuation. Even the valuation of Moyes himself last year
3. His statements about doing what is right for the player contradicts events at his own club (Rooney)

I can only summize the man is a twat.

Si Cooper
63 Posted 24/08/2013 at 16:34:47
Where has this 'rule' come from that it is wrong to publicize an approach for your players?

It seems to be common knowledge that Manure put in a bid for Baines earlier that was rejected, and Fellaini's escape clause was well discussed as well. Why do some people consider it poor form (or even forbidden) to highlight an overt bid that was derisory considering it was obvious that we valued the players much more highly?

Mike Allison
64 Posted 24/08/2013 at 17:12:42
Lyndon, as ever, you save me a lot of typing.

What he said.

JImmy Srheim
65 Posted 24/08/2013 at 18:30:43
After reading the comments made by Moyes regarding Baines and Fellaini, I found them very disturbing. David Moyes suggests Roberto Martinez is holding back Baines and Fellaini, and it is crap. It is all about mind games to get the players in the end.

And Bill Kenwright is in contact with Moyes on a regular basis, even after that disgusting offer he made. It is time for Bill Keewright to come out publicly and say if he is really with Everton or with David Moyes and Manchester United. To let Moyes continue with his mouth-trashing of this great club is a disgrace.

If Everton do not declare that they will have nothing to do with Moyes, and that all bids will be rejected out of hand because of total disrespect from Moyes, then I will boycott buying anything from Everton until Bill Kenwright is gone.

It is time for Kenwright to show Everton supporters that he will not be bullied into selling his best players. A public statement needs to come from Kenwright as soon as possible. This parody cannot continue, we are becoming a laugh stock because our former manager of 11 years is pissing all over what is Everton FC.

I dare not think about what I would do if I could be alone with Moyes for one minute, never mind what will happen when he enters Goodison Park with United. I formallyy wish Moyes all the worst the world has to offer and I truly hope and think he will fail to win anything with Man Utd and then get thrown out of Old Trafford like he deserves to.

I also think he is pissing away United's good image and reputation by doing these stunts with the Everton players. The media might really start to turn on him, and I suspect he is feeling the pressure already. How relived I am that David Moyes is no longer our manager, he is a disgrace.

If Bill Kenwright does not go public and condemn this attack by Moyes then I fear Fellaini and Baines will be sold for less then their real value. Also Roberto now has the chance to impress all Evertonians by rejecting the offer and refusing to be drawn in on the public debate with Moyes.

Roberto has a job to do, and he can not spend his time commenting of none stories like David Moyes.

Toffee till I die!!!!!!!!!
Richard Reeves
66 Posted 24/08/2013 at 19:00:44
Does no one think it is a little suspicious that two people who are so close have not struck up a deal already so that our new manager can spend the proceeds? Manure have no competition for the signature of both players and they also have (as reported) an unlimited war chest available.

Rightly so Moyes should be castigated for his conduct but does no one think there is more to this story?

I don't believe for one minute that Fellaini is a second or third option buy. I think all along Moyes has been intent to get him from the off.
Richard Tarleton
67 Posted 24/08/2013 at 19:15:52
Moyes is not employed for his ethical behaviour. He is a pragmatist, when he was with a club who were the victim of such an approach, he argued it was wrong. Now he's with a club who can benefit from making the approach, now he sees nothing wrong with it. he who pays the piper calls the tune and Man Utd are paying Moyes to attract and sign players, that's what it's all about.
Andy Hegan
68 Posted 24/08/2013 at 21:58:48
Next week I'll find myself in the new and unexpected position of hoping Liverpool turn Utd over.
Colin Glassar
69 Posted 24/08/2013 at 22:52:42
I'll second that Andy. I'll be cheering on Chelsea but god it will be difficult wanting the shite to win.
Eugene Ruane
70 Posted 26/08/2013 at 09:59:52
The special one 'at it' "When it was put to Mourinho that he will be given a hot reception at Old Trafford on Monday, he reacted with bemusement. "They are against me?" Mourinho said. "But I didn't say [to Rooney] you will be a second-choice for me. And they are against me?"

Tony Draper
71 Posted 26/08/2013 at 12:51:30
Eugene, I too feel that dm is toying with a firestorm if he genuinely believes he can play bareknuckle/fully armed mindgames with Mourinho and come away with even a point

Whingeing about "taking a knife to a gunfight", was an error of enormous proportions.

But taking his plastic teaspoon to a fencing duel with swordmain like Jose is utter stupidity

He has begun his painful apprenticeship, his greatest mistake is in assuming that mufc are on his side at the outset, dear dear dear
Mourinho is an Alpha predator who WILL go for the kill at great risk because he knows that fortune favours only the brave

Moyes first reading of such a concept has not even begun to sink in, if indeed he has even had the wit to study it

Jose knows that even tonights result is NOT the outcome of the battle of wits
Jose's team isn't even competing against Moyes', because Moyes hasn't changed anything from SAF's squad

Kevin Hudson
72 Posted 26/08/2013 at 13:52:46
No manager is immune from lies, deception, or being selective if it suits their agenda, thus the High-Horse mentality here is absurd.

Martinez publicly played down the notion of recruiting any Wigan players, before promptly signing three of them.

Motives are very rarely unselfish.

Gavin Ramejkis
73 Posted 26/08/2013 at 14:10:22
A glaring difference here though Kevin, those lickspittles fawning over Moyes whilst he was here and now more so after he left always claimed the moral high ground with some utter nonsense of the so called "man of honour" and "man of principles", Moyes served one person in those 11 years, David Moyes. He became a multi millionaire for no tangible success.

Before any others repeat regards the sale and purchase of Wigan players, no less than rent a gob the chairman of Wigan himself made it clear Martinez was more than welcome to return and shop from his former squad. I must have missed that similar advertisement at Goodison all summer.

Kevin Hudson
74 Posted 26/08/2013 at 16:03:27

You write about 'honour & principles,' yet we've just recruited 4 (presumbly honourable) men who were happy to desert a sunken ship in order to serve themselves too.

You cannot have it both ways.

By the way, I do expect the inevitable WILL happen on or near transfer deadline day, and it's Billy Liar who deserves the grief.

Ross Edwards
75 Posted 26/08/2013 at 16:21:11
'It's different preparing a United team to face him (Mourinho) rather than an Everton one. With United, we are out there to win"

Apparent Moyes quote circulating on Twitter.

Ross Edwards
76 Posted 26/08/2013 at 16:32:13
Mike Parry, Talksport DJ, Everton fan and close friend of Mr Chairman, says that what David Moyes said about having a close relationship with Bill is "not the info he has"....
Tony Draper
77 Posted 26/08/2013 at 16:27:56
Ross, that is utterly priceless (true or not)

So the great tactical genius fancies that one of the worlds most wealthy football clubs equipped with a squad of players paid sums beyond the dreams of mere mortals stand an outside chance of snatching 3 points at home ?

Mourinho's boxers must be saturated with fear

I wonder if he'll still bring on Naismith with 20 to go ?

Ross Edwards
78 Posted 26/08/2013 at 16:37:39

He basically, true or not, has admitted he never tried to win in big games while he was Everton manager.

Matt Traynor
79 Posted 26/08/2013 at 16:24:44
Kevin #018. We signed one former Wigan player, Kone, who was leaving anyway following their relegation and turned down the opportunity to speak to Newcastle in preference to being re-united with his former manager. Alcaraz was a free agent, and Robles was signed from Atletico Madrid, having been on loan at the JJB following injury to Al-Habsi.

But if it suits your argument, yes he signed 3...

Ross Edwards
80 Posted 26/08/2013 at 16:47:00
Other apparent quote circulating on social media Tony:

"I don't know what my record against Jose is, but I've been told it's quite good"

Won 0
Drew 3
Lost 5

Yep, stellar record Moyes, Jose is filling his pants right now.

Ross Edwards
81 Posted 26/08/2013 at 16:49:07
You can't really put insulting and derisory bids in for a 30 year old striker, a free agent and a cheap goalkeeper can you Kevin?
Paul Landon
82 Posted 26/08/2013 at 17:04:49
I for one was never a Moyes fan and to be frank at this moment in time I am not a fan of the new incumbent also.

Our previous manager has behaved appallingly and continues to disrespect the support he had from the board over 11 years, I can think of at least six occasions when the sack was justifiable.

We gave this man his big chance and yes he did ok but we are no better off than we have ever been historically therefore i see no reason to revere him in any way.

He had so much control at Everton that i really believe this man thinks he was bigger than the club and also believes he has that control still.

We need him to listen and understand we supported him through thick and thin and he has the new job because of us not in spite of us.

I really hope we remain steadfast and keep the two players; however, I also believe that will only be based on if they hand in a transfer request which I expect from at least one of them; if so, we should do our utmost to sell them to anyone but Man Utd.

I want this man erased from the memory, therefore I am polling ToffeeWeb if allowed to have the embarrassing "People's Club" erased from the memory and to get the club to drop it from their marketing completely and send a message to this man that we can and will forget him as quickly as he has forgotten us.

Don't forget, he forgot us in January and continued that with his secret rendezvous with Ferguson etc and for this I cannot forgive him and in my opinion neither should anyone else for that matter.

Brian Denton
83 Posted 26/08/2013 at 17:07:46
If I were a betting man Paul Landon, I would hazard that a Nick, a Kevin, and a Sam will.....
Ross Edwards
84 Posted 26/08/2013 at 17:10:43
Absolutely Brian. Wait until Mr Entwistle and Mr Hoare use their loyal, integrity and good manager for Everton, doing what any other manager is doing arguments to defend OFM in any humanly possible way.
Kevin Hudson
85 Posted 26/08/2013 at 18:16:30
For the record, during his eleven years here, my support for Moyes was based exclusively on performance & results.

Football is capricious, so the pompous demand for loyalty is largely irrelevant.

Martinez point-blank refused to discuss his future, before, and to the suprise of no one, he promptly fucked-off from a tean he'd just relegated.

The faux-outrage over Moyes's apparent lack of integrity, is wholly contradicted by the deafening silence concerning any attributable loyalty clearly absent from Martinez.

If anyone therefore wishes to pass themselves off as ethical, then at the very least show SOME consistency.

Also, spending 11 years in the same job IS demonstrably loyal.

And Ross, whilst putting the boot into Moyes's lack of ambition versus Chelsea, please note that a) we often played well against them, and b) Martinez thinks that 6th place "is magnificent for a club like Everton."

Ross Edwards
86 Posted 26/08/2013 at 18:49:14
Fair enough.
Patrick Murphy
87 Posted 26/08/2013 at 18:48:28
The only thing that kept DM at Goodison was the lure of OT, if that had not been a possibility, he would have gone somewhere else sooner. I agree though RM didn't hang about after Wigan got relegated, but in his defence he did turn down at least one club in previous seasons to stick with Wigan.

Depending on what your views are if you're an auld ass like me then no sixth isn't good enough for Everton FC, but if you look at it in practical terms e.g. amount of money spent on investment then it's probably about as much as we can expect. The last occasion we qualified for Europe was 2008-09, so that should be what we aim for, either through the league - but that will probably be beyond us this season - or via the cup competitions which we should try and do as we are capable of getting to one of the finals if we get kind draws.

Gavin Ramejkis
88 Posted 26/08/2013 at 19:41:01
Kevin, once you've finished chewing your hat I'll give you the opportunity to back peddle a little on these four signings. Be as verbose as you like.

Martinez - took his time, made his choice, his chairman happy and also compensated to his satisfaction - compare and contrast Moyes' lies and departure

Joel Robles - not even a Wigan player - ho hum, enjoy the hat

Antolin Alcaraz - no longer a Wigan player - salt and pepper?

Arouna Kone - chose to leave and sign for another team - again the chairman of said club happy with the price

You could be really pedantic and add the backroom staff from Wigan although that freebie for you does come yet again with the full agreement of their former chairman.

Tony Draper
89 Posted 26/08/2013 at 21:00:30
I was not meaning to contradict your sentiments, I was amplifying them, and with unflinching solidity
If that didn't come across then either my writing or your reading is at fault

Moyes utter lack of "WTF lets have a go" utterly strangulated me

My final moment of loyalty to him evaporated at Wembley
I remember being stood on the coach departing Wembley after dm's witless ditherment made Mr Godfrey from "Dad's Army" look like a wounded "Johnny Rambo" !
I have never been so furious with any Everton player or Official
He sold us, that gutless bastard sold us

I was in the Main Stand the night we turned Bayern over
Moyes has NO concept of what that was like, none. None at all

We were savages, ruthless, bestial and bloodcurdling. The noise we created was painful (the main stand shook rhythmically like it would collapse) and relentless and our team were as delicately poetic as we were primal

Moyes has not the very first inkling of what Evertonians truly are, I suspect that Roberto actually wants to find out

I hope that Roberto unlocks the Blue Firestorm
But if he doesn't, or no-one else in my lifetime does........bloody hell it was terrifying and magnificent !

I'd rate that as the night that all living Evertonians turned on the turbo
It was certainly the night that I learned my history, all of it

Knives and gunfights ?

We were barehanded !

Kevin Hudson
90 Posted 26/08/2013 at 21:01:39

I'll back-peddle solely on Robles as he was on loan.

The others? They could easily have stayed loyal to Wigan: Like Moyes, Alcaraz allowed his contract to run down: where's the condemnation of him?

Martinez & Kone's ineptitude in part, cost Wigan their spot in the top-flight, and neither shared any interest in staying on to fight the good fight; criticism of this - again completely absent in contrast to the ire concerning Moyes's (fictional) disloyalty.

I also note with amusement that you employ both inverted snobbery AND the opinion of Dave Whelan to support an already flaky argument that only serves to diminish it;

Colin Glassar
91 Posted 26/08/2013 at 21:52:50
So ginger still can't beat the chavs.
Brent Stephens
92 Posted 26/08/2013 at 21:53:48
Only 3 points so far for MU. Too early to start drawing conclusions? Obviously in transition?
Patrick Murphy
93 Posted 26/08/2013 at 21:55:49
Brent they have 4 points, but DM still doesn't know what it's like to win at OT; I wonder if he'll manage to taste victory at the other place at the weekend?
Brent Stephens
94 Posted 26/08/2013 at 21:58:21
Of course, Patrick! Only 4 points.
Paul Kennedy
95 Posted 26/08/2013 at 21:59:33
Says it all about OFM. Man Utd 0-0 Chelsea. A frustrating game comes to an end.

It is United's first goalless draw at home in the league since 16 May 2009, a run of 76 matches with a goal comes to an end at David Moyes's first attempt.

Frida Ericsson
97 Posted 26/08/2013 at 21:52:15
I suspect come christmas time he will be out of a job. Will be highly amusing watching TGT's MUFC get a good hammering by pretty much everyone...the man is completely out of his depth, a hypocrit and a liar...he will get his comeuppance sooner than he thinks.

"overshadow the many impressive achievements he had as our manager" yes the biggest and most embarrassing defeats in our history" His "inability to win at the big four" His ultimate achievement of "bottling it, each and every time when it mattered in cup competitions".

I am glad he has gone.

Frida Ericsson
98 Posted 26/08/2013 at 22:27:07

Paul Kennedy - shouldn't be that surprised...chelsea are top 4 haha
Frida Ericsson
99 Posted 26/08/2013 at 22:28:20
I actually forgot to add watching MUFC get hammered by everyone in the Champions League. He has always struggled when it mattered the most.regardless of what he has available.
Colin Glassar
100 Posted 26/08/2013 at 22:40:28
We are only 2 points behind the mancs.
Colin Wainwright
101 Posted 27/08/2013 at 00:31:11
"For the record, during his eleven years here, my support for Moyes was based exclusively on performance & results"

Intermittent then, Kevin?

"Also, spending 11 years in the same job IS demonstrably loyal".

Wages had fuck all to do with it then.

"You write about 'honour & principles,' yet we've just recruited 4 (presumbly honourable) men who were happy to desert a sunken ship in order to serve themselves too."

Never has so much shit been attributed to one person. Congratulations.

Some people just cannot admit they were wrong. So wrong.

Andy Crooks
102 Posted 27/08/2013 at 03:24:17
Bill Kenwright has been called out. The love of his life has treated him like shit. What should a proper chairman do?

Well, phoning his beloved on a regular basis really isn't the answer. He can, however, do something that will cost him not a penny but would win him back a little respect.

Why not say,"Roberto doesn't want to sell Fellaini and Baines. David Moyes has disappointed me with his derisory offers and I will do no business with him".

Sadly, though, Bill is a spineless piece of shit and I suspect that Fellaini will go and Roberto will bring in a late ,cheap replacement.

I cannot see the sense in selling either player. Our squad will be weakened and we will be seen as a feeble selling club.

Roberto has just signed a contract . He is in a position to speak his mind. He must not be Kenwright's poodle. For the sake of the good name of Everton Moyes must be humiliated He is a money grabbing chancer without a shred of loyalty, decency or integrity.A real chairman would fuck him off and publicly denounce him. I fear for our season.

Tony Draper
103 Posted 27/08/2013 at 05:41:18
If Everton genuinely wish to support Roberto's reasonable (and very popular) assertion that the transfer window should close before the football season kicks off, then we should close for business at 18:00 today (Tuesday).

Put simply "We will not make any permanent signings for players contracted at other clubs and we will not even consider any approaches for our contracted players. We have closed our window".

In future, unless the premiership alter the practice, we should adhere to this.
I believe that it will only serve us well.
It would set us ahead of other clubs, and in so doing up the asking price for the release of our players. Buy now or miss out. But, we should also adhere to our own policy.

Daniel Levy and Dave Whelan have 2 different yet strong approaches to selling, Levy is by far the cooler, more effective of the two (but given his starting position, so he should be). Did the spuds really receive a late late bid for Bale ? TBH I don't care, but it's a smart touch

If we close our window to business, then we increase the future sale price of our players under contract and that benefits only Everton.

Tony Draper
104 Posted 27/08/2013 at 06:08:30
Oh, and I did mean to make plain that our deadline should be 24hrs of business prior to PL opening day in future seasons

As an aside, I reckon that this would be very popular with most clubs other than the "favoured few".

Paul English
105 Posted 27/08/2013 at 06:38:41
That match last night was awful..... where was that old grandad cardigan Ginger nuts always wore when he was with us?

And did you hear Gary Neville say Manure and RS should stand up against clubs coming in for their star players, Rooney and Suarez or that will be it!!!!.......But it's okay to come in for our players. What a hypercritical arsehole he is...

Chris Morris
106 Posted 27/08/2013 at 07:31:04
I don't remember van Persie having a strike on target last night. I do remember the commentators saying he was helping out the team by tracking back and dropping deep to collect the ball.

It didn't take Moyes long to start the ruining process on one of the world's best strikers did it??

Eugene Ruane
107 Posted 27/08/2013 at 07:05:10
Paul Landon (066) - "Our previous manager has behaved appallingly and continues to disrespect the support he had from the board over 11 years, I can think of at least six occasions when the sack was justifiable"

And our board, who wouldn't recognise the truth if it danced bollocko in front of them (screaming "I AM THE TRUTH!") continue to behave appallingly and disrespect the supporters.

Moyes and your shifty pals deserved each other imo, it's the supporters who deserve/d better.

By the way, you STILL haven't told us how Dave Kelly reacted when you sought him out and gave him a piece of your mind at the shareholders meeting, like you told us all you were going to.

Up the BU!

Kevin Hudson
108 Posted 27/08/2013 at 15:54:35

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you've clearly mis-read me.

Paul Ferry
109 Posted 27/08/2013 at 18:45:57


Jesus wept Kevin Hudson you don't just get it or you don't want/refuse to get it do you? Your pithy trite snide comparison between Moyes/Manure and Martinez/Everton is quite frankly laughable although I think that you think it is somehow more realistic and more elevated and more 'moral' than your run-of-the-mill toffeewebber.

Listen carefully because you have yet to fully incorporate this in your responses to the responses to your wide-of-the-mark comparison Wigan's chairman in effect invited Martinez/Everton (and anyone else for that matter) to come and get any one of Wigan's players.

Now here's a question for you and let's see if you can answer it: has Teary Billy ever in public invited all and sundry including Moyes/Manure to bid for any one of EFC'S players?

Do you perhaps now see the difference between the conduct of Moyes/Manure and
Martinez/Everton? I for one doubt it because you seem as irretrievably pig-headed as say Mr. Entwhistle.

Oh by the way I am absolutely certain that Colin is mightily relieved and grateful to get the benefit of your myopic doubt.

Ross Edwards
110 Posted 27/08/2013 at 18:59:15
Seems that the Moyes lovers can't get over it can they Paul?
Kevin Hudson
111 Posted 27/08/2013 at 22:01:10
Teary Billy's playing the same game he plays on an annual basis.

(See: Lescott/Arteta/Rodwell).

Moyes bids on former players.

So does Martinez.

Moyes is a c**t....Martinez is a saint.

Yeah, got it.......

Paul Ferry
112 Posted 27/08/2013 at 23:41:11

answer the fecking question - your avoidance is a sure sign of dwindling credibility

has Teary Billy ever in public invited all and sundry including Moyes/Manure to bid for any one of EFC'S players and has Wigan's chair done the opposite?

Richard Tarleton
113 Posted 28/08/2013 at 01:09:13
I loved this morning's headline in 'The Independent': 'Jury still out on Moyes whose selections hint at industry over art' I shouted "Told you so!" over the Corn Flakes...
Kevin Hudson
114 Posted 28/08/2013 at 10:32:52
Just because Kenwright hasn't publicly announced a fire sale, doesn't mean that he won't ultimately cave - fuckin' get real will you?!

Moyes knows his MO, knows the financial situation backwards and knows he's a soft touch.

Whelan's simply trimming his wage bill for obvious reasons.

Paul Ferry
115 Posted 28/08/2013 at 16:54:59
So Kevin you will not give yet again a direct answer; back to your old tricks eh!

You simply won't/can't admit it can you or bring yer pig-headed self to put it into words?

Your Moyes is behaving disgracefully but you cannot yourself to say it can you without tarring Martinez with the same brush?

Pathetic pig-headed with the gall to tell others to get real!

Kevin Hudson
116 Posted 28/08/2013 at 17:21:32
Newsflash: Manager makes initial bid on player for as cheap a price as he can possibly get away with to get the ball rolling...

"Disgaraceful behaviour..." Right, the man's an absolute monster, isn't he?!

This is how the dance ALWAYS begins.

(Watch out for Arsenal upping their bid for Cabaye).

Paul Andrews
117 Posted 28/08/2013 at 17:39:54
"Teary Bill" invites clubs to buy any of our players EVERY year.
He does not have to do it verbally,the fact that we operate at a multi million loss each and every year is common knowledge amongst chairmen.
Bill encourages the sales

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