Agent: Ba had agreed terms with Everton

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I do realise that labour costs will be far more expensive in the UK but still, seems ridiculous that people expect that redeveloping Goodison would cost 𧷤m or so.

More importantly, does that mean he was lined up as our main CF for next season? An average aging player like him?

I am getting concerned that this is slowly taking the look of a classic David Moyes summer transfer window.

We are waiting on Lukaku to make a decision says Martinez but have we actually made a concrete offer for him?

What happens if Lukaku says he wants to leave Chelsea and it sparks a bidding war?

I can think of Spurs, and a few others who would be ahead of us. There is also the fact Chelsea will say to Everton 㿀 million so then what? We donÂ’t spend that kind of cash do we?

It sounds like from what Roberto says we have already agreed a price or deal with the bosses at Chelsea and itÂ’s merely down to Lukaku but I wouldnÂ’t hold breath.

It’s late July and you’d think seriously the deals we still need to conclude are: Besic – get that tied up quickly; Traore – if he’s coming on loan again do it.. if not move on; Lukaku or that marquee 20-goal striker; and finally a pacy wide player.

Still think heÂ’s a twat though.

I think a reaaly good season at Everton + uncertainty of regular playing at Chelski have swayed LukakuÂ’s way of thinking and there are "complications" to iron out, so Roberto must be waiting for that one.

It would be nice to see a signing or two in the next few days to settle our frustration/impatience.....the Besic saga is really dragging on, for example......

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Robbie said we were in a good financial position, and we didnÂ’t have to sell.

Maybe weÂ’ll stick him up front if it comes to it.

IÂ’m pretty sure if Kenwright had got Ba for say ٧M, then we would have finalised the basic deal and be looking at another. As this hasnÂ’t come off, then we may have to shell out the big bucks for Lukaku and other deals will suffer...

Also, Swansea have not even been approached about Bony so forget that one.

Secondly until we bank the TV money in August we probably donÂ’t have the hard cash available immediately that some of these deals may require.

Three - itÂ’s not like going to the supermarket with a list of items and picking them off the shelf. I reckon any player of the required ability will have more than one club showing interest and that also complicates the transfer process and can be very time consuming.

Proof of that if proof is needed is the latest rumour that Juve are showing interest in Lukaku.

Like the fellow posters have said on here, he has shown mercenary traits, and besides heÂ’s another with African team commitments come the African Cup.

I must admit it is frustrating to hear of other clubs making additions, although, having said that, I canÂ’t help think some of our rivals are paying way over the top, for some players who we have rarely heard of!

I hope it will all pan out in our favour at the end, and as always trust Roberto to make the right choices for the club!

I know a leopard never changes his spots, BUT you would think on the back of last season performances and the fact we are playing in Europe this season that all of the above points you have made would have been addressed by the board.

The air of optimism around the club this up-and-coming season is huge. I donÂ’t buy into the theory that we have to wait for the banks to give us the green light before the club can eventually go shopping for new players.

IÂ’m very disappointed about Ba, but I still believe that Lukaku is slowing up our transfer business. I think we do have the funds for him, and want him, and the waiting could work out well or fuck us over. On the plus side, if Besic is confirmed, we would have brought in a young promising DM and experienced Premier League quality (Barry) already, with 4 weeks to go before things kick off.

As I see it now, we must concentrate most of our funds on a top quality striker, and a creative left sided midfield player. IÂ’d then like to see an additional attacking midfield and then perhaps a young cb for the future, and the return of Traore for numbers.

I think next season will depend largely on the quality of the striker and the left sided midfielder. (I assume that would be a priority, or a right sided player to allow Mirallas to shift to the left. I see that as a weak area in the team with no prospect of immediate improvement unlike the AMC area occupied by Barkley.)

I can understand the frustration and others will detail what they see as to the whys and wherefores of our lack of transfer dealings so far. But I really wouldnÂ’t worry about Newcastle getting their dealings in early and making a statement, for 2 reasons:

Reason 1 — they are Newcastle United.
Reason 2 — Alan Pardew.

To paraphrase JayZ, we (may) have problems, the Barcodes ainÂ’t one of them.

Failure to sign that goalscoring striker will let down the rest of the good work done by the team, we have witnessed what happens when your play is outstanding but you donÂ’t have anyone with a killer instinct.

Traore and Kone are decent options for the bench but we need that talisman, the type of play that saw Lukaku almost hit the 20-goal mark last season (something IÂ’m sure he would have achieved if he had started with us in August) and not suffered the bad injury at Anfield which kept him out for a month in February.

Pablo, Robbie can say what he likes, he has just been given a new bumper contract, and may well be toeing the line, just as our old manager did. All I DO know, is that instead of having our new signings, should we sign anyone that is, at our pre-season training getting to know their new team mates, we are as usual, seemingly waiting for some Sky money to appear so Bill can bring someone in at the last minute.

We SHOULD have the money, or at least the profit, from the Fellaini sale. McCarthy was presumably bought from the proceeds of the Jelavic and Anichebe sales plus the reduction in wages from those two and others who left.

As for Kenwright and the clowns, they didnÂ’t invest when the club finished 4th in 2005 so what makes people think they will invest this time around. The club bumped up and improved MartinezÂ’s contract as a way of saying "shutup a toe the party line". I would not be surprised if Martinez walks away in a season time and says "IÂ’m not the man for this job working with these imbeciles."

I may be proved wrong between now and the end of the window, who knows. However, I think something drastic has to happen (in a negative way) at this club to make these custodians realise once and for all that they are not the right fit to take EFC forward. They screw over the club and more importantly the supporters season after season... and one season it will stop!

Bastard!!! The Premier League doesnÂ’t need the likes of HIM!

At least now heÂ’s gone, we can get back to players only moving to clubs for less money.

[Shakes head, despairs at level of argument...]

If heÂ’s a mercenary then I think most players are. Coleman should have stuck it out at Sligo Rovers. Look at them now in the Europa League.

IÂ’m just questioning the Mercenary tag.

I think heÂ’s an excellent finisher but doesnÂ’t do enough else to warrant buying him.

BK: "Demba, 60k a week?"
DB: "IÂ’ll have some of that, Bill"
BK: "Roman, how much?"
RA: "{£Insert cash amount}"
BK: "Nevermind, hey ho, I tried"

There is no way we were going for both Lukaku & Ba, that would mean we were intent on spending approx 㿊m on two strikers.

I am resigned to the fact we will fall short in our pursuit of our No 1 targets this season. Shit.

It just seems that so many of our fans love to fall for the boardÂ’s bs.

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Of course I would, but how would it look to a prospective employer if I have had itchy feet three times in two years? If Everton want stability, they certainly wonÂ’t get it from someone like Ba.

The truth is of course the complete opposite - that they ALL go for Â’more moneyÂ’ if they can.

Reality = if heÂ’s a mercenary, they ALL are.

Your response (oddly) to my pointing this out is – "So give your reasons as to why you would have liked to see Ba at Everton then Eugene?"

See if you can grasp the following (I promise itÂ’s simple)

Me pointing out that your "heÂ’s a mercenary" argument is piss-weak (see above) does in NO FUCKING WAY even hint that I would like to see Ba at Everton.

If you disagree, please point out which specific bit of my post alludes to me wanting him at Goodison.

(I repeat, you’re not thinking this stuff through – maybe there’s a venting.com somewhere you’d benefit from.)

Do you have proof that every player who moves on has gone for more money, do you have stats to prove this? I could say that your point is Â’shitÂ’. LetÂ’s leave it at that as we beg to differ on Â’opinionsÂ’.

Not as gutted as Lukaku would be if he signs for the lovable neighbours.

I would imagine he could not walk around in the city, such would be the amount of bad feeling.

And him ALONE being labelled a mercenary is selective and consequently, disingenuous bollocks.

Two more things.

1) Your post is going to confuse Kunal as, although youÂ’re agreeing with his view, you say "but good mate of mine, a Toon supporter told me.." - thereby not being able to show the facts, stats, photographic evidence that he insists on.

2) You add "All about going to the highest paymaster in order to support his extended family" What!? So not only does he support his own family, but his EXTENDED family to? The lousy money-obsessed, greedy, selfish mercenary twat!

Why couldnÂ’t he be like the rest of the non-mercenary lads in the prem and buy himself a few streets, apartment buildings, walled and gated garish mansions or race-horses?

Two bids of 19mil suggests perhaps that Chelski have outlined the low 20s as a realistic selling price, which I think is good news for us. I think we will spend at least 30million this summer given the massively increased television money, the net transfer profits (16mil ish last season?) and wage decreases. I think we could get in Lukaku and Besic, with some money over for an another midfielder. I think we will pad out the squad with 2 or 3 loans as well.

I expect we will know more about the Lukaku situation when he returns to Chelski after his delayed summer holidays. Given the inflated prices of domestic transfers this summer (off the back of tv money increases), I think a fee around 20million would be more than fair (Debuchy: 10-12mil, Lallana 25mil, Shaw 30mil, Lovren 18mil rejected).

We cannot compete with the teams above us in terms of spending power, but we can look to invest in youth and bring together a team with promise for years to come. If we did manage to bring in Besic and Lukaku (unlikely but realistic nonetheless), we would have Besic, Lukaku, Oviedo, Coleman, McCarthy, Stones, Robles and Barkley all under the age of 26. The likes of City and United could not boast such impressive youth prospects, and it would give us alot to look forward to.

He thinks Ba is a mercenary because he chases the money. ThatÂ’s his opinion. Not every player necessarily chases the money. Someone mentioned Arteta and I think I remember Richard Wright taking a pay cut to come to Everton. IÂ’m sure there are others. I donÂ’t see the need to treat him like a child with your "see if you can grasp" comments.

And I was the one that questioned the statement in the first place.

LetÂ’s hope IÂ’m right anyway because itÂ’d make me sick watching him play for the gobshites.

And what a cunt he is...

This whole Lukaku pantomime is really getting tiresome. The guy obviously doesnÂ’t want to sign and I really hope we have plans in place and not placing all our eggs in one basket .

Lallana and Lambert both signed during a World Cup in which they were involved, yet we are still hearing this bollocks about Lukaku not making a decision before, during or after? This following a season where we had the opportunity 7 days a week to sit him down and get a straight yes or no!

I am worried about the lack of talk about a playmaker also. Last season we relied on Osman and Pieanar who usually did a half each because they are past it, so whatÂ’s this seasonÂ’s plan?

Barry, McCarthy, Gibson and even Besic if we get him are all defensive midfielders and in my opinion Arteta was never replaced. Barkley for me still needs another season of man management before he could do this role week in, week out.

My opinion is that players generally move to enhance their playing careers. Player from mid-table clubs move to clubs better positioned to win trophies, e.g. Lescott, or players move down in order to get first team football, e.g. Pienaar coming back.

When neither of these situations is obvious then the reason that sticks out is money. Would you agree?

There are two/three/ (whatever) teams who can offer almost guaranteed CL football and most players would want that and would (want to) move to get it

(itÂ’s not of course 100% guaranteed - worked for Rooney, didnÂ’t work for Fellaini)

Most players however donÂ’t get the chance because those teams arenÂ’t interested in them, or if you prefer, theyÂ’re only interested in the very best.

So letÂ’s first take that group, those good enough to get a move to the top. All these players have agents and the agents are successful if they (remember they) can squeeze out the maximum amount from the buying club.

The players IÂ’m sure are delighted in doubling/trebling their wages, but itÂ’s not them doing the negotiating.

Then there is Â’the restÂ’ which involves deals that involve the likes of Pienaar to Spurs (and back).

Players considered good enough to play in the Prem but not right at the very very top of it.

Again, they have agents to negotiate their deals and keep in mind, players in the PL on what they would probably consider Â’shitÂ’ wages (eg: 15 grand a week), on contracys longer than 3 years, are multi-millionaires when they put pen to paper.

After they sign?

Well some get on with managers, some fall out, some get selected, some donÂ’t.

Some are quiet and easy to manipulate, some never stop moaning and demanding.

Some are from other countries and other continents and have no real feel for where they are, some are local and play for local sides.

Some arenÂ’t that arsed about money, some chase every penny.

In essence, they are (great wages, flash cars and big houses aside) a bit like the rest of us - a bit of a mixture.

Now regarding Demba Ba, the Â’reasonÂ’ for him being singled out as Â’a mercenaryÂ’ by Kunal (a particularly nasty accusation in my book) was as follows - "He moved from West Ham to Newcastle to Chelsea, everytime for more money"

This I might add from someone with the nerve to ask me for stats as proof and admonish me for making Â’assumptionsÂ’ (as shit-house rabble-rouser Richard Littlejohn might say, you couldnÂ’t make it up)

You ask do I agree there are "some players who are more obviously moving for money than others?"

Of course, absolutely and 100%, and the key word is some - that was exactly my problem with the Â’Ba is a mercenaryÂ’ - ONE feller, being accused on the basis of nothing other than but heÂ’s played for three clubs and Kunal fancies a vent.

Demba Ba may very well be a mercenary, but the accusation is completely invalid for two reasons. 1) The Â’evidenceÂ’ presented is pure guesswork 2) So are loads of other players...and loads of agents...and clubs...and Sky...

Lukaku wonÂ’t be playing for us this season, in my opinion, and if in the unlikely event he does, itÂ’s quite obvious he has no great desire to!

Our problem is that which centre-forward can we attract of sufficient quality that will want to play for us? Not too many names spring to mind!

Why express that tone in your post against a fellow supporter? I can only imagine you were bullied at school when you were young and you couldnÂ’t fight back and now is the opportunity to show your hand over the internet.

Bullies donÂ’t win, they just show arrogance and ignorance. ItÂ’s a real shame as I used to quite enjoy reading your posts in the past, which I will bypass from now onwards. Seriously mate you need to have a day off.

And I saw Ba play as well, and he is a very good striker. He scored better than 1 in 2 for Newcastle and West Ham despite spending five barren months on the wing following CisseÂ’s arrival.

But..fair enough, presumably, you wonÂ’t just be impugning and insulting Ba on TW (behind the safety of you computer etc blah waffle).

You will ACTUALLY be seeking out Demba Ba and telling him to his face "You only moved to West Ham then to Newcastle then Chelsea, for more money - youÂ’re a mercenary."

No?

Thought not.

By the way, all that that two-bob psychobabble (bullied at school – dear me, yaaawn!) heard it all before, usually from people who have posted nonsense and don’t like having it pointed out.

There is a difference between having it pointed out/explained and using a tone. YouÂ’re clearly ignorant! Lay off the pills.

Apparently, there are 101 words that end in an Â’itisÂ’

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What Â’itisÂ’ would describes the affliction that Evertonians suffer from during any given transfer window? Moyesitis was awful, your hair turned red and you attacked random strangers outside a wine bar every time you had the bullet. There are plenty more of us out there, suffering, hurting and our relationships are straining.

Peace and love blues, peace and love. Ringo was right after all.

Now with his scoring ratio at the Barcodes, paying ٥-10M for him and paying him 㿼k a week does not seem unreasonable.

His move to Turkey is for the same weekly wage as he received at Chelsea...

As far as I see it, if OFM didnÂ’t fancy taking the gamble on him, then subsequently earn the profit that Newcastle did, well...?

As for Eugene and Kunsal, I agree with both of you (well I donÂ’t agree with KunsalÂ’s point but I donÂ’t see the problem with him stating it). IÂ’m not sure why itÂ’s gotten so aggressive but I reckon that one of you is definitely Osman.

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To lighten the mood I posted this earlier on a different thread but people probably weren't arsed copying. Check out number 4 Very funny.

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