Complications hold up Besic deal

Get used to it fellow Blues!

Better than a Hitchcock film, all this......!!!!!!!!

Apart from Dzeko, ALL the Bosnian first team were foreign born and (I think) all of them play for non-Bosnian teams!!! This sounds more like a BK/Elstone black ops.

A 4 million fee - the sell on has to be peanuts.

Realize it's conjecture all of this, but if it's a haggle job for this small of an amount it's insane.

There's about 100 different ways Everton could recoup the sell on fee by running their business differently. First thing would be to have an actual real retail presence for jersey sales...

I despair...

This could only ever happen to Everton Football Club though couldn't it?

The Besic deal dragging on and on before we eventually no doubt find out that he hasn't just got a fake passport but he's not even from Earth.

If the Lukaku deal falls through then we are staring down a very dark blind alley in terms of where this striker comes from, what with Martinez already displaying interest in Ba only for him to realise that there aren't enough Mosque's here.

Each passing day has me seeing visions of us being forced to start the season with a completely rusty Arouna Kone up front alone.

The issue is what Ferencvaros have to pay HSV! Apparently the Hungarian side should owe Hamburg 30% of the agreed fee which they agreed to when taking Besic on a free but they're trying to move the goal posts and negotiate giving a smaller percentage.

Do we still live in a time where dual-nationality citizens have to 'renounce' their EU citizenship simply to made a choice between the two countries they are qualified to play for?

Smells like bullshit to me, and the prospect that EFC are simply tediously haggling to save a relatively small amount of money actually makes more sense on the face of it.

From new signings to sending fans their season tickets, everything is always left until the last minutes you wonder why these hitches always happen.

There's Bobby Elstone, a renowned accountant who received his degree from Hull University. I don't believe he only got the job because he won't ask any questions, they were malicious rumours!

Then there's our Bill, who makes all his calls during the intervals at one of his shows. He has to run everything by Robert Earl, who thinks he's a luvvie numpty, then we have to get final clearance from Phil Green, who mainly spends his time watching Spurs videos on his private island with Kate Moss.

Now tell me, what could possibly go wrong with that set-up in place?

After all said and done, he has been involved in the World Cup, watched by millions. Yet the people involved in the transfer details have failed to recognise that fact !

Hopefully, it will be sorted in the near future!

Â’QuicklyÂ’? Hmmm? What is Â’quicklyÂ’? Was that last-day-window wheeling and dealing done Â’quicklyÂ’? You know, the Â’slowÂ’ wheeling and dealing that did so much to make us what we were last season. That was Â’quicklyÂ’ done wasnÂ’t it?

You JB will needless to say pop back - Â’ah come on that donÂ’t count in fact itÂ’s what I meant ainÂ’t it, leaving everything until the last minute like, typical, oh so typical, so slow and so not quicklyÂ’ - totally missing the point and repeating yourself until royal blue in the face but being in fact wrong.

By the way, I sure I am not alone in thinking that your Â’mosqueÂ’ comment - 9 - was completely crass, and mosques does not require an apostrophe as it is a plural noun.

Where did the stories about work permit issues come from? Come on, guys, give it a break.

We have had a long summer and none of us are any clearer on our starting eleven next season or who is going to fill the gaps. I for one am starting to worry. The time to bed new signings into our way of playing is diminishing fast and we may end up with three results at the start of the season that could have been more.

So I do blame the club for dragging their heels. If Bobby is as good and meticulous as he comes across, then I am sure he would have known for some time now who or what type of player was on his short list.

Time is running out: piss-poor preparation leads to poor performance. So who is not prepared? The manager or the people who do the business?

Why doesn't he want to be asking questions like that? Is this the new regime?

We can't even launch a new kit without the socks missing, we cling to stories like the megastore has stashed loads of Lukaku No 10 shirts or a cleaner at Speke Airport saw Ever Banega get off the Alicante flight. A typical Everton summer fuelled by hopeless transfer speculation whilst our rivals without hassle snap up everyone on the market.

Lescott complained WBA promised new signings when he joined and have signed 4 players, god help him if he came here. Why no move for Caulker to replace the ageing Distin either?

However, I can imagine a scenario in which a proud Bosnian applies for his Bosnian passport so he can travel with the Bosnia squad ’as a Bosnian’ rather than as a German (this being symbolic rather than practical), Bosnia turns out to be one of those countries that doesn’t allow dual nationality (I believe this is also true of South Africa) and so he loses his German passport and EU status.

If this is the case I will now make some wild speculative assumptions about him.

1) He’s a bit stupid or naive. He should have known that being a footballer, an EU passport was his ticket the big leagues and giving it up was crazy. He should also have known that he could travel to and from every Bosnia game on his German passport with no problems. In fact probably with better consular support.

2) He’s one of those players who will play much better for his country than for his club. Playing club football is a job, for which you get paid. Playing for your country, especially an ’emerging’ nation like Bosnia, is a matter of pride. Anyone remember Bilic’s injuries that magically healed around international week?

So there you go, some wild speculation based on partial information and my own assumptions, but drawing some definitive conclusions about an important issue. I could work for an American news network.

Because he’d cost a lot of money, is perceived to have a real weakness in allowing forwards to turn him (although when I’ve seen him he looks good) and Martinez seems to rate three of our young defenders. Why buy players when we might have them at home?

Lee Carsley has made my point in the Echo, these other clubs have bought loads of players because they need to. They’re ’years behind Everton’ is his way of putting it. You could easily argue we have four centre backs better than Caulker (Hodgson certainly agrees that the two English ones are better) so spending 㾶M or whatever on him would be crazy.

There is a very, very limited number of players who will genuinely make Everton better, and most of them want to play in the Champions League. Clubs who aren’t as good as us can improve their sides much more easily, because they can choose from more players.

To save you fretting all summer, you can apply this to almost any "why didn’t we sign him" player you see moving to another club. Almost all players fit into two categories:

1: We couldn’t afford them (including wages) and they’ve moved to a richer club, or

2: They’re not worth us spending that amount of money on as they won’t improve us by enough. Newcastle don’t seem to get this, and that’s why we keep finishing above them.

There’s also another point, which is that going out and buying eight new players every summer doesn’t make you a better team. Teams grow together gradually through continuity, and we’re way ahead of others on that score.

So James, try not to worry. I’m here because I quite enjoy all this summer rumour nonsense, it doesn’t stress me out at all and I find it quite fun (now), but many of fellow blues still seem to get genuinely upset at what they read in the papers and the average players they see going elsewhere (as I used to).

We’ve been told to wait until deadline day basically, so save it all for Sept 2nd and make a judgement then. Or learn to enjoy the rumours, counter-rumours, theories* and outright nonsense.

*I love the one that says Jose will wait until after we’ve played them to sell us Lukaku, in case he scores against them. Classic. Although if that were true he could just loan him with a ’no-playing against Chelsea’ clause now, and complete the transfer after the game.

This suggests that young people under 23 with non-german ethnic backgrounds do NOT have to give up German citizenship and in the future, will have no need to give up their German status even over the age of 23. The whole premise that he doesn't hold German citizenship is rubbish imagined by someone who doesn't really deal much with immigration.

Where did that one come from?

Most of the chippies are shut on a Sunday!

Or was it in the Sports Section of the Beano?

Only having a bit of laugh mate, to ease the situation, my fingernails no longer exist! (lol)

It is frustrating, as this seems to happen every window, and like I said in previous post, I suppose better to get them late than not at all, but why?

He's (Lukaku) not just going to carry on where he left off last season, as with any other player we may acquire.

It's so important, to be able to get some fitness and games in before the first ball is kicked, in the Prem.

Hope, as we all do, that at least these two happen before too long!

Rule 2.Put in a silly offer and when rejected increase it to two thirds of the asking fee.

Rule 3. Bicker for 4 weeks minimum before agreeing to pay the first fee asked.

Rule 4. Agree terms with player, then try to get both these and fee reduced when the scar of a childhood fall is detected by intensive examination.

Rule 5. Cancel whole process when expected outgoing transfer falls through or, if no such cashflow problems, seek to arrange payment over as long a term as allowed by regulations. Pull out at least 3 times during this process.

Rule 6. With manager tearing his hair out, get forms signed and faxed as clock strikes 11 on last day of window.

Rule 7. Crack open champagne to celebrate a job well done.
'Worked on that one 24/7'

THAT'S THE EVERTON WAY, YOU KNOW !

㾶-15m

㾻-20m

㿀-25m

㿅-30m

㿊m or more!

Personally, I'm going for 㿅-30m - how's that for a bit of optimism in this sea of despair!

By my calculations it should the 㿊M+ !

Have also been reading, that the ' vanishing spray ' will not be used in the Premier League this season whist Serie A and B are likely to give it a go!

Truth is, Bill and the board have been using it for years on the Transfer pot, TV Money and and any other profits !

This guy Vedic sounds pretty good though, Rob - if he's on a free we'll have him.

So I think we give this one a miss!!

Let's not forget there were funds available to Martinez in January, but he chose not to spend it. If as he claims, he had earmarked the players he wants months ago, why hasn't he spent any of it?

And IF, as has been suggested, everything depends on whether or not Lukaku signs, will 㾾-20 million which has been "ringfenced" to buy him, still be available, if the Big fella decides to chance his arm at Chelsea?

Well in there! I had a good laugh at that post!

Ross won't be going anywhere, mate... unless he goes on loan to Wigan!

Now, that would get your pulse racing!!! :)

Though the typical British media will do everything in their power to unsettle the lad. No doubt the same will apply to John Stones and Arsenal should Vermaelen join Man Utd.

Not often that Everton under Kenwright have done their business early — unless, of course, it’s to sell us the Early Bird season tickets!

Lukaku isn't coming and we will loan 3 and grab 2 ٣ millionish players.

Two from Croatia, three in Germany and one from Switzerland...

On a serious note, it’s like Christmas when I was a kid, you just never knew what you were going to get.

Forgive my cynicism, but I remember also reading the player was and has been on Everton's radar, before the World Cup had even started! WTF?

This lad has played for England U18's, so there are no passport issues here!

I don't think for one moment that Everton's negotiating board are on minimum wages, and therefore only going through the motions, so why is it, that it seems, every potential transfer hits the buffers?

It's been well documented that his previous club wants a cut of the deal if the lad moves from MK Dons – the usual complications that seem to beset each and every transfer in the current climate. Sports lawyers must be doing a roaring trade at the moment.

We have the same old same old every transfer window. What have we been doing whilst almost every other club is bringing in signings? Errm... hmmmmm... Oh yes, Gareth Barry (who was out of contract but we still ended up paying about ٟM for a player whose market value was ٞ).

I wouldn't put that Board in charge of a kiddies' tuck shop. They're fit for fuck all. But at least we're professionals at this futile game, players and supporters alike. We've endured it since the inception of Terry Fuckwit – sorry I mean BK.

I predicted in an end-of-season thread that the seven or so players we needed to compete on all fronts would be those unheard of and unsuccessful youth players – being given professional contracts – and lo it has come true. There is time before the transfer window shuts. But it will still be that mad dash scramble we're used to to get a load of loanees on the cheap who failed to make the grade elsewhere. Whilst Lukaku holds out for a 'Champions League Team' / New contract from Chelski.

Our only other promise of a signing, Besic, is stood in the queue at the Passport Office in Munich. Depressing? Yes. But it could be worse – you could be a RNS!!!!!

We don't want just any player to make the numbers up, I understand that, but it would be nice to be linked to a decent player every now and then. Lukaku – is he decent? Is that why Chelsea have gone for a 36-year-old striker again?

Re: Besic. I'm not too arsed if we get him or not as we have three quality DM/CM's plus we hear that Baines is being groomed for a LCM type role and we have a couple of very promising youngsters coming through the ranks, actually not so young any more and I'd be happy enough to blood them in the cups, inc. Europe and use in the PL as and when necessary.

However my gripe here, like many others, is how piss poor we are in the transfer market. I wonder if Kenwright, Elstone et al have carried out the following probability analysis:

last season (and possibly seasons before) did our late activity in the transfer market cause us to drop points, points that otherwise would have meant Champions League football? If so how much did this cost the club? What are the merits / demerits of getting your business done early in the Summer Transfer Window?

With the exception of those from the dark side, we are a well respected club, many people talk highly of us and in some circles are regarded as something of a model. As fans we take pride in the 'respected' status we have; however, each and every pre-season the club exposes itself to questions and to some extent, mockery, and we fans have no option to grin and bear with a certain degree of acceptance. It's about time that this club was run as a proper business and not some hand-to-mouth charity case and that we have a board who are more transparent and fully support a manager who looks like he can restore the glory of the mid '80s.

It was, however, even for him, an extremely difficult birth, and, on the way out of the operating theatre, I heard him mutter: "That was a Besic".

Only now do I understand. Complications.........

A very familiar and worrying trend beginning to re-emerge here: are we waiting for a big sale such as Barkley or Stones to kick-start any meaningful transfer activity?

Oh, and does anyone think what a good bit of business buying Sugurdsson would be (or would have been - as he seems to be on his way back to Swansea now)?

Skilful, energetic, strong, an eye for goal and a great fit with the style we play under Martinez?

Has the ability to play a pass like he's done it many times before...

The silence from the club is unnerving. If there was no substance to the story why not deny it; if it is a case of tying up a few lose ends then why not announce it as such.

I don't expect the Lukaku situation to be resolved too quickly, but having Besic (unlike some I think we are only an injury to Barry or McCarthy away from being severely compromised in midfield) and Henen on board would give me some confidence that the squad will indeed end up stronger than the one that finished the last season.

Clubs also don't make a habit of denying rumours....because once they'd started, then they'd have to deny every false rumour.

Don't forget, the Besic stuff is all news from 3rd parties. I don't think the club has actually said anything. Given the strength of rumour, its probably true, but equally, this David Henen thing has come out of the blue, and is probably something they've been working on quietly behind the scenes.

If you think we have a quality manager in Martinez who players want to play for and who is hard working, organised and intelligent, just let the guy do his job and see who we bring in.

I'm certainly more excited than worried, even with less than 4 weeks to go to k/o. From the players we've been heavily linked with(Besic/Lukaku/Henen) its clear that Martinez is after players who are young, mobile, strong and talented, to complement a squad already containing the likes of Stones and Barkley.

I'm a bit unsure . . .are presenting the case for the prosecution or the defence ?

McGeady, Kone, Alcaraz and Robles?

All decent enough players ( when fit ) but Do you really see these guys as "the exact type for the exact role" . . The players who will really put Robbies stamp on the team ?

Sorry mate, I still think he needs to get busy

The player has done nothing wrong and neither have Ferencvaros or EFC, so the transfer should proceed and Tennis Berlin can still take SV Hamburg to court for the money they owe them. Can anyone explain why that shouldn't automatically happen?