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Complications hold up Besic deal

by | 19/07/2014  Comments (100)  jump
Everton are having to be patient in their quest to finalise the signing of Muhamed Basic with the deal apparently complicated by work permit issues and a sell-on fee due to the midfielder's first club, Tennis Berlin.

Besic's move from Ferencvaros in Hungary to Everton was expected to have been concluded days ago, with the player having passed a medical and agreed personal terms.

Bosnian website BH Dragons, who appear to have been on the ball regarding the saga over the past week, report, however, that Besic's decision to play for Bosnia-Herzegovina rather than the country of his birth, Germany, meant he had to renounce his EU citizenship and will require international clearance to play in the Premier League.

Though he played all three matches for Bosnia-Herzegovina in the World Cup Brazil, Besic has not yet met the requirement for non-EU players to have featured in 75% or more of their country's internationals over the preceding two years. The same report suggests that he can meet that requirement by September but would not be able to play for Everton until then and could stay with Ferencvaros on loan in the interim.

As an alternative, though, it has been suggested that the player is applying for a German passport to side-step the work permit requirement.

Furthermore, BH Bragons raise the issue of a sell-on fee that Hamburg SV are apparently refusing to pay Tennis Berlin which clarifies earlier rumours that the conflict over payments was between Besic's current club in Hungary and Hamburg, the club from which they signed him in 2012.

The expectation is that both problems will eventually be resolved but no confirmation of Besic's arrival with the Blues can happen until they are.  

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Neil Adams
1 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:03:23
Once a long, drawn-out transfer saga, always a long, drawn-out transfer saga.

Get used to it fellow Blues!

Tony Abrahams
2 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:04:49
And now itÂ’s getting reported that Lukaku is staying at Chelsea as well. Better staying off this internet sometimes and switching back on in the last week of August!
Eugene Kearney
3 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:09:57
Well, at least it’s an explanation. I’m sure I’m not the only one to wonder what the hell the hold-up was for what was widely reported to be a straight-forward deal.

Better than a Hitchcock film, all this......!!!!!!!!

Colin Glassar
4 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:09:11
Unless he formally renounced his German citizenship, and handed over his German passport to the German authorities, before swearing allegiance to the Bosnian Republic this is complete nonsense. As his parents are Bosnian, and he is German, like thousands of Bosnian exiles, he probably has dual citizenship.

Apart from Dzeko, ALL the Bosnian first team were foreign born and (I think) all of them play for non-Bosnian teams!!! This sounds more like a BK/Elstone black ops.

Patrick Murphy
5 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:17:47
Colin the delay is probably more due to the haggling of the various clubs for a slice of the fee - BK will be doing his hard-nosed businessman impression before meeting them half-way.
Jamie Crowley
6 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:20:48
If that's the case Patrick that's just frankly bullshit.

A 4 million fee - the sell on has to be peanuts.

Realize it's conjecture all of this, but if it's a haggle job for this small of an amount it's insane.

There's about 100 different ways Everton could recoup the sell on fee by running their business differently. First thing would be to have an actual real retail presence for jersey sales...

I despair...

Mark Tanton
7 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:24:27
I cannot imagine Everton being anything other than other than a nightmare to deal with. How many of our dealings end up dead in the water?
Paul Ferry
8 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:27:11
Others elsewhere are using this drawn-out Besic affair to hammer the club and the way it does business – one of them is roundly calling us ’dysfunctional’, when in fact it seems to be the case that none of the blame for this dallying and dallying can be put on the shoulders of our club.
Jim Bennings
9 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:25:44
I am hearing reports that the Lukaku deal is now off..

This could only ever happen to Everton Football Club though couldn't it?

The Besic deal dragging on and on before we eventually no doubt find out that he hasn't just got a fake passport but he's not even from Earth.

If the Lukaku deal falls through then we are staring down a very dark blind alley in terms of where this striker comes from, what with Martinez already displaying interest in Ba only for him to realise that there aren't enough Mosque's here.

Each passing day has me seeing visions of us being forced to start the season with a completely rusty Arouna Kone up front alone.

Patrick Murphy
10 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:33:21
Jim do you work for the same news outlet as Dick Brady - Both of you wouldn't have lasted long in the Wild West where it was fatal not to be quick on the draw :)
Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:37:59
No doubt we will give him a five-year deal that far exceeds his work permit, à la Nyarko.
Kieran Kinsella
13 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:39:13
I'm hearing reports the Mueller deal is off. He wants us to pay his taxes. Maybe we can get that Nigerian to carry the team Amotaxi.
Aidy Dews
14 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:35:37
It's bollocks about a work permit being an issue, he's German born so, regardless of being a Bosnian international, he'll already have a German passport and birth certificate and there shouldn't be an issue with that at all.

The issue is what Ferencvaros have to pay HSV! Apparently the Hungarian side should owe Hamburg 30% of the agreed fee which they agreed to when taking Besic on a free but they're trying to move the goal posts and negotiate giving a smaller percentage.

Colin Glassar
15 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:42:24
Agreed Patrick. The delays got nothing to do with EU status or immigration issues more a question of who gets what money wise. BK will have international auditors on this.
Si Cooper
16 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:37:43
Why would a financial dispute between Hamburg and Berlin affect a deal between us and Ferencvaros? We agree a fee with his current club, they pass what is due (if anything) further down the line. There shouldn't be any need to have to revisit the fee agreed for the current transfer.

Do we still live in a time where dual-nationality citizens have to 'renounce' their EU citizenship simply to made a choice between the two countries they are qualified to play for?

Smells like bullshit to me, and the prospect that EFC are simply tediously haggling to save a relatively small amount of money actually makes more sense on the face of it.

Jim Bennings
17 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:50:26
Everything about EFC under this regime is done slow and lethargic, can we ever process anything quickly?

From new signings to sending fans their season tickets, everything is always left until the last minutes you wonder why these hitches always happen.

Kevin Tully
18 Posted 19/07/2014 at 19:52:31
Aww come on now lads - show a little faith. We can go up against anyone in this League with our dream-team at the helm.

There's Bobby Elstone, a renowned accountant who received his degree from Hull University. I don't believe he only got the job because he won't ask any questions, they were malicious rumours!

Then there's our Bill, who makes all his calls during the intervals at one of his shows. He has to run everything by Robert Earl, who thinks he's a luvvie numpty, then we have to get final clearance from Phil Green, who mainly spends his time watching Spurs videos on his private island with Kate Moss.

Now tell me, what could possibly go wrong with that set-up in place?

Mark Tanton
19 Posted 19/07/2014 at 20:02:42
It's easy and understandable to be insanely jealous of Liverpool. And Spurs, Arsenal, Hull City Tigers, Hartlepools....
Kevin Rowlands
22 Posted 19/07/2014 at 20:29:28
It's fucking torture being an Evertonian during transfer windows, is it just my imagination or is EVERY transfer we try to complete complicated?, not sure I can handle another six weeks of this shit!
Derek Knox
23 Posted 19/07/2014 at 20:56:09
It's almost unbelievable (again, if true) that no checks had been made as to the Nationality issue.

After all said and done, he has been involved in the World Cup, watched by millions. Yet the people involved in the transfer details have failed to recognise that fact !

Hopefully, it will be sorted in the near future!

Paul Ferry
24 Posted 19/07/2014 at 21:01:33
Jim Bennings - 17: Â’Everything about EFC under this regime is done slow and lethargic, can we ever process anything quickly?Â’

Â’QuicklyÂ’? Hmmm? What is Â’quicklyÂ’? Was that last-day-window wheeling and dealing done Â’quicklyÂ’? You know, the Â’slowÂ’ wheeling and dealing that did so much to make us what we were last season. That was Â’quicklyÂ’ done wasnÂ’t it?

You JB will needless to say pop back - Â’ah come on that donÂ’t count in fact itÂ’s what I meant ainÂ’t it, leaving everything until the last minute like, typical, oh so typical, so slow and so not quicklyÂ’ - totally missing the point and repeating yourself until royal blue in the face but being in fact wrong.

By the way, I sure I am not alone in thinking that your Â’mosqueÂ’ comment - 9 - was completely crass, and mosques does not require an apostrophe as it is a plural noun.

Harold Matthews
25 Posted 19/07/2014 at 23:52:20
No panic. He seems very keen to join us and fits the bill of being reasonably priced and will eventually perform well above his market value. An all action, reckless Dogs of War midfielder who is miles away from being the finished article, hence ٢m, but Roberto with the help of Barry, will turn this lad into a valuable asset.
David Ellis
26 Posted 20/07/2014 at 01:58:10
Paul Ferry - indeed you are not alone !
Ste Traverse
27 Posted 20/07/2014 at 02:34:57
If/when this deal falls through it will be everyone else's fault as usual rather than that of Kenwright and Elstone.
Mark Andersson
28 Posted 20/07/2014 at 02:51:00
And here I sit on the other side of the world hoping today would bring me some good news. I wonder if our manager is sitting comfortable with all this. They do try our patients and yet we all just take it on the chin with fingers crossed.
Paul Byrne
29 Posted 20/07/2014 at 06:42:22
Some of you guys on here kill me. You slam everything about Everton purely on the word of newspaper gossip. So who do you believe? The newspapers out to sell newspapers with bullshit stories? Or Everton FC?

Where did the stories about work permit issues come from? Come on, guys, give it a break.

Mike Hughes
30 Posted 20/07/2014 at 09:06:47
Paul #29
Good point. Expectations can be driven by the drivel written in the papers. Note - not newspapers.
Eric Myles
31 Posted 20/07/2014 at 09:22:44
Paul #29, given the history of lies the Club have peddled over the years you don't want to be asking questions like that.
Paul Johnson
32 Posted 20/07/2014 at 09:54:31
Paul Ferry's post fired me up. Surely the question we need to be debating here is not that we are slow in doing our business but why haven't we done any? Gareth Barry played in the team last season, so while technically he is a new signing, he was a member of last season's squad.

We have had a long summer and none of us are any clearer on our starting eleven next season or who is going to fill the gaps. I for one am starting to worry. The time to bed new signings into our way of playing is diminishing fast and we may end up with three results at the start of the season that could have been more.

So I do blame the club for dragging their heels. If Bobby is as good and meticulous as he comes across, then I am sure he would have known for some time now who or what type of player was on his short list.

Time is running out: piss-poor preparation leads to poor performance. So who is not prepared? The manager or the people who do the business?

Aidan Trimble
33 Posted 20/07/2014 at 10:05:11
Eric (#31),

Why doesn't he want to be asking questions like that? Is this the new regime?

James Elworthy
34 Posted 20/07/2014 at 10:16:34
The problem is all down to the club remaining silent on these issues. The fans are kept in the dark and then there is the drivel peddled by the Mail, the Star and the Mirror, repeated in umpteen websites like Teamtalk, The Metro and Caught Offside.

We can't even launch a new kit without the socks missing, we cling to stories like the megastore has stashed loads of Lukaku No 10 shirts or a cleaner at Speke Airport saw Ever Banega get off the Alicante flight. A typical Everton summer fuelled by hopeless transfer speculation whilst our rivals without hassle snap up everyone on the market.

Lescott complained WBA promised new signings when he joined and have signed 4 players, god help him if he came here. Why no move for Caulker to replace the ageing Distin either?

Mike Allison
35 Posted 20/07/2014 at 10:27:32
A German born player living in Hungary (also a member of the EU to save you Googling it) needs a work permit? This seems ridiculous. Especially when you consider that to play football for Bosnia he wouldn’t have needed a Bosnian passport.

However, I can imagine a scenario in which a proud Bosnian applies for his Bosnian passport so he can travel with the Bosnia squad ’as a Bosnian’ rather than as a German (this being symbolic rather than practical), Bosnia turns out to be one of those countries that doesn’t allow dual nationality (I believe this is also true of South Africa) and so he loses his German passport and EU status.

If this is the case I will now make some wild speculative assumptions about him.

1) He’s a bit stupid or naive. He should have known that being a footballer, an EU passport was his ticket the big leagues and giving it up was crazy. He should also have known that he could travel to and from every Bosnia game on his German passport with no problems. In fact probably with better consular support.

2) He’s one of those players who will play much better for his country than for his club. Playing club football is a job, for which you get paid. Playing for your country, especially an ’emerging’ nation like Bosnia, is a matter of pride. Anyone remember Bilic’s injuries that magically healed around international week?

So there you go, some wild speculation based on partial information and my own assumptions, but drawing some definitive conclusions about an important issue. I could work for an American news network.

Colin Glassar
36 Posted 20/07/2014 at 10:41:08
Well put Mike, this passport nonsense just doesn't add up. All will be made clear(er) this week.
Mike Allison
37 Posted 20/07/2014 at 10:48:57
"Why no move for Caulker to replace the ageing Distin either."

Because he’d cost a lot of money, is perceived to have a real weakness in allowing forwards to turn him (although when I’ve seen him he looks good) and Martinez seems to rate three of our young defenders. Why buy players when we might have them at home?

Lee Carsley has made my point in the Echo, these other clubs have bought loads of players because they need to. They’re ’years behind Everton’ is his way of putting it. You could easily argue we have four centre backs better than Caulker (Hodgson certainly agrees that the two English ones are better) so spending 㾶M or whatever on him would be crazy.

There is a very, very limited number of players who will genuinely make Everton better, and most of them want to play in the Champions League. Clubs who aren’t as good as us can improve their sides much more easily, because they can choose from more players.

To save you fretting all summer, you can apply this to almost any "why didn’t we sign him" player you see moving to another club. Almost all players fit into two categories:

1: We couldn’t afford them (including wages) and they’ve moved to a richer club, or

2: They’re not worth us spending that amount of money on as they won’t improve us by enough. Newcastle don’t seem to get this, and that’s why we keep finishing above them.

There’s also another point, which is that going out and buying eight new players every summer doesn’t make you a better team. Teams grow together gradually through continuity, and we’re way ahead of others on that score.

So James, try not to worry. I’m here because I quite enjoy all this summer rumour nonsense, it doesn’t stress me out at all and I find it quite fun (now), but many of fellow blues still seem to get genuinely upset at what they read in the papers and the average players they see going elsewhere (as I used to).

We’ve been told to wait until deadline day basically, so save it all for Sept 2nd and make a judgement then. Or learn to enjoy the rumours, counter-rumours, theories* and outright nonsense.

*I love the one that says Jose will wait until after we’ve played them to sell us Lukaku, in case he scores against them. Classic. Although if that were true he could just loan him with a ’no-playing against Chelsea’ clause now, and complete the transfer after the game.

Kev Johnson
38 Posted 20/07/2014 at 11:01:58
Mike - your conclusion is an early contender for paragraph of the day. Respect.
Colin Glassar
39 Posted 20/07/2014 at 11:18:55
Excellent post, MA, I've got nothing to add except to say that people need to calm down. Roberto will get his men. The man has a plan and will not buy quantity to satisfy some fans need to have a 50-man squad. No, he will buy 3-4 quality players and the same number of players on loan.
Bill Griffiths
40 Posted 20/07/2014 at 11:35:31
Glad to see quite a lot of posts here showing sanity and common sense. Let's also not forget that Roberto has stated on many occasions, that players he will sign need to be of the right mentality and able to fit into the Everton family and ethos as it is. He will not sign players just based on their ability so my view is that a lot of these rumours are non-starters anyway.
Nigel Gregson
41 Posted 20/07/2014 at 12:03:36
Mike Allison - Kudos. A two minute google here :

This suggests that young people under 23 with non-german ethnic backgrounds do NOT have to give up German citizenship and in the future, will have no need to give up their German status even over the age of 23. The whole premise that he doesn't hold German citizenship is rubbish imagined by someone who doesn't really deal much with immigration.

Mark Tanton
42 Posted 20/07/2014 at 12:16:56
Bottom line is the club is terrifyingly amateur at transfer business. These are deals that other clubs would finalise over a weekend. I think it can only be Everton querying, backtracking and trying to squeeze the pips from every deal that slows down our transfer business. I am inclined to believe the Wigan chairman he was compelled to call Sky Sports over the McCarthy deal – saying we'd tried to change the terms close to the end of the night. I can well believe we twat about like that regularly and that's why we're the slowest club in the business.
Mark Tanton
43 Posted 20/07/2014 at 12:25:17
I forgot to add that no other team effectively writes off its opening month of the season every year.
Mark Andersson
44 Posted 20/07/2014 at 12:49:59
Mike, thanks for the reality check, I will sleep better. Although I still am compelled to read every post as they are so entertaining, from the sarcastic, to the angry. I don’t even bother reading what the papers say, the headline is enough followed by many different opinions – brilliant.
Jack Cross
45 Posted 20/07/2014 at 13:52:04
Lukaku and Besic done deals.
Derek Knox
46 Posted 20/07/2014 at 13:54:40
Jack #45

Where did that one come from?

Most of the chippies are shut on a Sunday!

Or was it in the Sports Section of the Beano?

Jack Cross
47 Posted 20/07/2014 at 13:57:41
Derek, mock if you wish.
Derek Knox
48 Posted 20/07/2014 at 14:06:20
Jack # 47

Only having a bit of laugh mate, to ease the situation, my fingernails no longer exist! (lol)

It is frustrating, as this seems to happen every window, and like I said in previous post, I suppose better to get them late than not at all, but why?

He's (Lukaku) not just going to carry on where he left off last season, as with any other player we may acquire.

It's so important, to be able to get some fitness and games in before the first ball is kicked, in the Prem.

Hope, as we all do, that at least these two happen before too long!

Phil Walling
49 Posted 20/07/2014 at 14:10:20
Rule 1. Never pay the asking price.

Rule 2.Put in a silly offer and when rejected increase it to two thirds of the asking fee.

Rule 3. Bicker for 4 weeks minimum before agreeing to pay the first fee asked.

Rule 4. Agree terms with player, then try to get both these and fee reduced when the scar of a childhood fall is detected by intensive examination.

Rule 5. Cancel whole process when expected outgoing transfer falls through or, if no such cashflow problems, seek to arrange payment over as long a term as allowed by regulations. Pull out at least 3 times during this process.

Rule 6. With manager tearing his hair out, get forms signed and faxed as clock strikes 11 on last day of window.

Rule 7. Crack open champagne to celebrate a job well done.
'Worked on that one 24/7'


Colin Glassar
50 Posted 20/07/2014 at 14:25:57
Phil, that's your best post ever!! Sad but true.
Kevin Tully
51 Posted 20/07/2014 at 14:29:48
Time for a front page poll - How much will Everton spend in this transfer window?





㿊m or more!

Personally, I'm going for 㿅-30m - how's that for a bit of optimism in this sea of despair!

Derek Knox
52 Posted 20/07/2014 at 14:34:44
Kevin Tully # 51

By my calculations it should the 㿊M+ !

Have also been reading, that the ' vanishing spray ' will not be used in the Premier League this season whist Serie A and B are likely to give it a go!

Truth is, Bill and the board have been using it for years on the Transfer pot, TV Money and and any other profits !

Mark Tanton
53 Posted 20/07/2014 at 14:41:41
I wouldn't be surprised if we break even.
Jack Cross
54 Posted 20/07/2014 at 14:40:38
Derek 48. I know Derek, I know lol .
Rob Halligan
55 Posted 20/07/2014 at 14:46:36
I will go in the 25-30 bracket as well. Lukaku and Vedic and one "surprise" deal will be bought and 2 or 3 loan deals.
Rob Halligan
56 Posted 20/07/2014 at 14:55:54
Sorry meant Besic, unless there is a player called Vedic!!
Colin Glassar
57 Posted 20/07/2014 at 15:00:44
Paul Andrews
58 Posted 20/07/2014 at 15:03:24
I will go with 25 maximum
Jack Cross
59 Posted 20/07/2014 at 15:02:13
34 mil.
Kev Johnson
60 Posted 20/07/2014 at 15:05:26
I say 㿀-25m. That's Lakaku (㿀m) and Besic (٠.5-4m). Add a couple of loans and that'll be it.

This guy Vedic sounds pretty good though, Rob - if he's on a free we'll have him.

Rob Halligan
61 Posted 20/07/2014 at 15:13:46
No chance of us getting Vedic, Kev. He's part of an Indian religion setup known as Indo-Aryans based in Northern India, which is a predecessor of modern Hinduism, so the chances are Ramadan will affect his fitness!!!

So I think we give this one a miss!!

Darren Hind
62 Posted 20/07/2014 at 15:04:55
Given how much Martinez spent and how much the board pulled in last season, it really should be north of 㿊M.

Let's not forget there were funds available to Martinez in January, but he chose not to spend it. If as he claims, he had earmarked the players he wants months ago, why hasn't he spent any of it?

And IF, as has been suggested, everything depends on whether or not Lukaku signs, will 㾾-20 million which has been "ringfenced" to buy him, still be available, if the Big fella decides to chance his arm at Chelsea?

Peter Foy
64 Posted 20/07/2014 at 15:20:08
We’ll sell Barkley for 㿔M and Roberto will get 㿅M of it. And that’ll be that.
Derek Knox
67 Posted 20/07/2014 at 15:44:32
Rob # 65

Well in there! I had a good laugh at that post!

Phil Walling
68 Posted 20/07/2014 at 16:22:11
I still maintain if Barkley is sold in this window, it will be for no more than 㿊M plus some Rooney-like add-ons to make it look more!
Derek Knox
69 Posted 20/07/2014 at 16:54:26
Phil # 68

Ross won't be going anywhere, mate... unless he goes on loan to Wigan!

Now, that would get your pulse racing!!! :)

Rob Halligan
70 Posted 20/07/2014 at 17:05:16
The rumour of Barkley to Man City was only if Toure left. Toure is now staying so no chance of Barkley going there.

Though the typical British media will do everything in their power to unsettle the lad. No doubt the same will apply to John Stones and Arsenal should Vermaelen join Man Utd.

Tony Abrahams
71 Posted 20/07/2014 at 17:59:37
Maybe that was Moyes’s way of telling everyone what he had to put up with to earn ٢ million a year off Kenwright? He let himself down badly with his, "I know how Everton work" comment. Who knows he might have even gained a little bit of respect, if he would have told the truth and said, "I know how Bill Kenwright works".

Not often that Everton under Kenwright have done their business early — unless, of course, it’s to sell us the Early Bird season tickets!

Mike Allison
72 Posted 20/07/2014 at 18:34:20
Nice work Nigel. However, is it possible that the Bosnians insist you give up your German citizenship as a condition of giving you a Bosnian passport?
Jamie Crowley
73 Posted 20/07/2014 at 18:55:16
I'm on record for <㾶 million.

Lukaku isn't coming and we will loan 3 and grab 2 ٣ millionish players.

Iain Johnston
74 Posted 20/07/2014 at 20:26:05
Mr Glassar, 17 of the 23 man squad where born in Bosnia...?

Two from Croatia, three in Germany and one from Switzerland...

Brian Waring
75 Posted 20/07/2014 at 21:18:45
Cue a West Ham, or a team of that ilk, come in for him, pay the ٢m and the sell-on fee the clubs are haggling over.
Mark Andersson
76 Posted 21/07/2014 at 01:24:27
Maybe it was all done and dusted last week, but Bill decided to let us bastards sweat a bit longer. After all, he does like a bit of drama.

On a serious note, it’s like Christmas when I was a kid, you just never knew what you were going to get.

Colin Glassar
77 Posted 21/07/2014 at 09:07:55
Any news yet or should I return to my slumber?
Paul Hewitt
78 Posted 21/07/2014 at 09:26:41
He's signing in 48 hours, Colin.
Richard Lyons
79 Posted 21/07/2014 at 11:50:01
Mark #76 - if your Christmases were anything like mine, well, you never knew what you were going to get, but you had written a wish list for Santa, and so you naïvely believed your stocking would contain at least something from the list. And then, for the most part, you ended up disappointed...
Derek Knox
80 Posted 21/07/2014 at 12:10:41
I have just been reading that there are 'complications' regarding the signing of Brendan Galloway from MK Dons.

Forgive my cynicism, but I remember also reading the player was and has been on Everton's radar, before the World Cup had even started! WTF?

This lad has played for England U18's, so there are no passport issues here!

I don't think for one moment that Everton's negotiating board are on minimum wages, and therefore only going through the motions, so why is it, that it seems, every potential transfer hits the buffers?

Patrick Murphy
81 Posted 21/07/2014 at 12:24:14

It's been well documented that his previous club wants a cut of the deal if the lad moves from MK Dons – the usual complications that seem to beset each and every transfer in the current climate. Sports lawyers must be doing a roaring trade at the moment.

Andrew Ellams
82 Posted 21/07/2014 at 12:35:17
Patrick, Galloway made his MK Dons debut at 15. I don't think there is a previous club.
Mark Tanton
83 Posted 21/07/2014 at 12:37:51
"Every transfer in the current climate"... Not every transfer, Patrick – just Everton's transfers. I am sorry to refer to Liverpool but look at the business they're pulling off while we're bogged down fighting with MK Dons. It's pretty riling, ain't it?
Martin Farrington
84 Posted 21/07/2014 at 12:45:41
Mark #83 - I couldn't agree more. It's shit when you see West Ham doing better business let alone the RNS. BK is a tight-fisted twat. And before everyone says he's managing the club well not getting into huge debt (we have no solid assets left – BK sold them off the second he became owner, and we are well in debt to the banks) – he's surrounded by multi-millionaires who take the cash out of this golden cow but plough none back. He's the same tight-fisted twat that sold the ground underneath the Park End, hence we can't make that double tier coz that fucking idiot sold the club short.

We have the same old same old every transfer window. What have we been doing whilst almost every other club is bringing in signings? Errm... hmmmmm... Oh yes, Gareth Barry (who was out of contract but we still ended up paying about ٟM for a player whose market value was ٞ).

I wouldn't put that Board in charge of a kiddies' tuck shop. They're fit for fuck all. But at least we're professionals at this futile game, players and supporters alike. We've endured it since the inception of Terry Fuckwit – sorry I mean BK.

I predicted in an end-of-season thread that the seven or so players we needed to compete on all fronts would be those unheard of and unsuccessful youth players – being given professional contracts – and lo it has come true. There is time before the transfer window shuts. But it will still be that mad dash scramble we're used to to get a load of loanees on the cheap who failed to make the grade elsewhere. Whilst Lukaku holds out for a 'Champions League Team' / New contract from Chelski.

Our only other promise of a signing, Besic, is stood in the queue at the Passport Office in Munich. Depressing? Yes. But it could be worse – you could be a RNS!!!!!

Andy Veitch
86 Posted 21/07/2014 at 13:08:32
I agree with Mark 83. It's really getting on my nerves with them over the park bringing players in and all we get are rumours. Okay, so they may be building a squad for the Champions League campaign which is the reason why, but for crying out loud, we are in Europe as well.

We don't want just any player to make the numbers up, I understand that, but it would be nice to be linked to a decent player every now and then. Lukaku – is he decent? Is that why Chelsea have gone for a 36-year-old striker again?

Harold Matthews
87 Posted 21/07/2014 at 13:09:08
Yeah. Dons are still reeling over his recent transfer request. Seems a class prospect but tweets too much, loves flashy limos and Wenger's mob. Also likes Baines and has a great pic of Barkley and Stones on his Twitter page.
Colin Glassar
88 Posted 21/07/2014 at 18:42:47
I'm putting my neck on the line here but I've been informed that the Besic deal is done and it's now a case of getting him over for his medical and signature.
Gary Edwards
89 Posted 22/07/2014 at 03:14:45
Mike # 37 .. good post and I concur with most everything said.

Re: Besic. I'm not too arsed if we get him or not as we have three quality DM/CM's plus we hear that Baines is being groomed for a LCM type role and we have a couple of very promising youngsters coming through the ranks, actually not so young any more and I'd be happy enough to blood them in the cups, inc. Europe and use in the PL as and when necessary.

However my gripe here, like many others, is how piss poor we are in the transfer market. I wonder if Kenwright, Elstone et al have carried out the following probability analysis:

last season (and possibly seasons before) did our late activity in the transfer market cause us to drop points, points that otherwise would have meant Champions League football? If so how much did this cost the club? What are the merits / demerits of getting your business done early in the Summer Transfer Window?

With the exception of those from the dark side, we are a well respected club, many people talk highly of us and in some circles are regarded as something of a model. As fans we take pride in the 'respected' status we have; however, each and every pre-season the club exposes itself to questions and to some extent, mockery, and we fans have no option to grin and bear with a certain degree of acceptance. It's about time that this club was run as a proper business and not some hand-to-mouth charity case and that we have a board who are more transparent and fully support a manager who looks like he can restore the glory of the mid '80s.

Brian Hill
90 Posted 22/07/2014 at 07:34:23
"Complications". I remember them well. My wife experienced severe complications during the birth of our first born daughter, to the point that I was told they both might die. We were in the very fortunate position that we were able to utilise the services of the top obstetrician in South Africa, and all was well.

It was, however, even for him, an extremely difficult birth, and, on the way out of the operating theatre, I heard him mutter: "That was a Besic".

Only now do I understand. Complications.........

David Booth
91 Posted 22/07/2014 at 13:28:24

A very familiar and worrying trend beginning to re-emerge here: are we waiting for a big sale such as Barkley or Stones to kick-start any meaningful transfer activity?

Oh, and does anyone think what a good bit of business buying Sugurdsson would be (or would have been - as he seems to be on his way back to Swansea now)?

Skilful, energetic, strong, an eye for goal and a great fit with the style we play under Martinez?

Patrick Murphy
92 Posted 22/07/2014 at 14:05:31
David what position does he play? Has he been tracked by the top clubs or is he just a one-trick pony - hence his name Dave Ja Vue! ::)
David Booth
93 Posted 22/07/2014 at 16:17:18
I understand he's quite useful all over the pitch.

Has the ability to play a pass like he's done it many times before...

Si Cooper
95 Posted 22/07/2014 at 16:43:48
I take it the rumours that Besic was training with us in Austria have turned out to be unfounded?

The silence from the club is unnerving. If there was no substance to the story why not deny it; if it is a case of tying up a few lose ends then why not announce it as such.

I don't expect the Lukaku situation to be resolved too quickly, but having Besic (unlike some I think we are only an injury to Barry or McCarthy away from being severely compromised in midfield) and Henen on board would give me some confidence that the squad will indeed end up stronger than the one that finished the last season.

Colin Glassar
96 Posted 22/07/2014 at 17:25:58
Si, I just got a text message from a friend in Bosnia who's been keeping me and my son up to date with the Besic deal and he reiterates that the delay has nothing to do with Everton or Ferencvaros as both clubs have an agreement in place. The problem is between hsv hamburg and his first club, tennis Berlin? Both teams are due a cut of this deal but hamburg are refusing to give the Berlin team their share. This will probably end up in court as its not sure if there was a sell on clause or just a verbal agreement between the two German teams.
Mark Tanton
97 Posted 22/07/2014 at 17:32:38
If that is genuinely the case Bill should just pay the difference. Five or ten per cent?
Colin Glassar
99 Posted 22/07/2014 at 17:37:44
No chance of that Mark, he'd rather pass on the player then give 50k to some German youth team. We just have to be a bit more patient I suppose.
Mark Tanton
100 Posted 22/07/2014 at 17:47:23
I see forty eight hours at QPR is rather shorter than the same time at Goodison. Caulker efficiently tied up.
Wayne Smyth
101 Posted 22/07/2014 at 17:39:44
Clubs don't arrange their transfer dealings to keep needy fans in the loop. So don't be surprised when there is no news from the club and the first you see is a picture of the player signing his contract and wearing the shirt.

Clubs also don't make a habit of denying rumours....because once they'd started, then they'd have to deny every false rumour.

Don't forget, the Besic stuff is all news from 3rd parties. I don't think the club has actually said anything. Given the strength of rumour, its probably true, but equally, this David Henen thing has come out of the blue, and is probably something they've been working on quietly behind the scenes.

If you think we have a quality manager in Martinez who players want to play for and who is hard working, organised and intelligent, just let the guy do his job and see who we bring in.

I'm certainly more excited than worried, even with less than 4 weeks to go to k/o. From the players we've been heavily linked with(Besic/Lukaku/Henen) its clear that Martinez is after players who are young, mobile, strong and talented, to complement a squad already containing the likes of Stones and Barkley.

Wayne Smyth
102 Posted 22/07/2014 at 17:51:59
Oh, and if you think delays don't happen to other clubs, look at the RS, they've been chasing Origi for ages. Still not done, is it?
Mark Tanton
103 Posted 22/07/2014 at 17:54:14
Wayne it's not up to Bobby though is it? It's the board who must complete these deals and there is a long list of players they have failed on.
Mark Tanton
104 Posted 22/07/2014 at 18:02:14
On another note - a SSN reporter at Tranmere and not a word about us. We must be too boring!
Wayne Smyth
105 Posted 22/07/2014 at 19:23:00
Who have they failed on, Mark?
Darren Hind
106 Posted 22/07/2014 at 19:00:15
Harrold #72

I'm a bit unsure . . .are presenting the case for the prosecution or the defence ?

McGeady, Kone, Alcaraz and Robles?

All decent enough players ( when fit ) but Do you really see these guys as "the exact type for the exact role" . . The players who will really put Robbies stamp on the team ?

Sorry mate, I still think he needs to get busy

Ian Hollingworth
107 Posted 22/07/2014 at 22:20:32
Complications....... So what exactly does the recruitment dept do?
Si Cooper
108 Posted 22/07/2014 at 23:10:45
Thanks for the update Colin (#96) but it still doesn't make sense to me that a financial dispute between two of his previous clubs can delay the transfer of his registration from Ferencvaros to us.

The player has done nothing wrong and neither have Ferencvaros or EFC, so the transfer should proceed and Tennis Berlin can still take SV Hamburg to court for the money they owe them. Can anyone explain why that shouldn't automatically happen?

Colin Glassar
109 Posted 22/07/2014 at 23:26:46
No idea Si. Nowadays buying a player can be as complex as a multi-billion dollar takeover of a company. As its all very quiet I expect negotiations are 'ongoing' and all we can do is wait.

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