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Everton loan Henen back from Olympiakos

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David Henen will not be signing for Everton after all — at least not on a permanent basis — as Anderlecht confirm earlier reports that Olympiakos have met their 3m asking price for the 18 year-old.

Henen has spent the last two months training at Finch Farm on an extended trial but no deal was ever concluded with the Belgian club.

The Daily Mail seemingly confirm what was always believed to be the sticking point and that was Anderlecht's 3m asking price. They claim that the Blues were not willing to pay more than 1.5m for the untried youngster.

In a strange late twist, though, sources in Greece report that Everton could yet take Henen on loan for the season, even though Roberto Martinez had identified him as a future prospect who would start his career with the Blues with the U21s. This development was later confirmed by other sources.  

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Mike Hughes
1 Posted 01/09/2014 at 19:56:39
Let me guess, a Greek taxi driver has just posted ......
Paul O'Hanlon
2 Posted 01/09/2014 at 19:57:33
Hope this isn't one we end up regretting for the sake of a ٟm
Dom Ungi
3 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:00:07
I strongly believe this is a done deal, just a matter of finished it all of, I mean, heÂ’s been training for weeks and we couldnÂ’t?... We shouldnÂ’t let this one get away!
John Paul McGurk
4 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:02:25
Typical Everton.
Joe Clitherow
5 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:01:18
Move on.

Clearly made an offer at our valuation and they wanted more.

Anything obviously could happen with young players but ending up in the Greek league doesnÂ’t make me think weÂ’ve missed out on the next Messi and probably signals the club were right not to increase beyond their valuation.

Thomas Surgenor
6 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:09:47
He could join a list of names like Scott Spencer (failed at this level) et al... or he could be an Eric Dier (looking good so far). No-one knows.

I guess we would have paid the money if we felt he was better than what we had.

Shane Corcoran
7 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:12:46
At least we got him fit for the Greeks.
James Elworthy
8 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:16:01
It was never to be. A waste of time and effort. If we really wanted him, we wouldÂ’ve got him.
Jim Bennings
9 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:20:12
He clearly wasn't that good.

If he was , and we must have had a fairly good luck at him, then you'd think we'd have completed this by now.


Looks like Alderwiereld has pretty much signed for Southampton, another one gone.

Disappointed that no centre half is coming in.

Just four centre halves at the club, one injury prone, one 37 and another who has had a nightmare start and is a rick-mare.

And John Stones who is very inexperienced.

Is this madness from Roberto?

Phill Thompson
10 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:35:39
Well Arsensl were reportedly in for him , he was at. Monaco on loan last season and they didn't take him up. 6 weeks or whatever was long enough for us to look at him . Shame for the lad given given his age and our Belgian connections you would imagine he would have been a good fit.
Jim Bennings
11 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:40:49
Flippin Hull getting Ben Arfa now?

Already signed Diame and Dawson, thats a decent few days for them

Tony Byrne
12 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:49:06
Jim @ 9 - I have been banging on all day to fellow blues about the desperate need for a centre half, looks like we are pulling out all the stops for Tom Cleverley, this astounds me if this is in fact true.

I love RM as our manager but, if we donÂ’t get a CH in tonight, then I think it could bite us on the arse big style. The form of Jags & Distin is frightening but it seems RM believes he can sort it out, I ainÂ’t convinced, tbh.

Clive Rogers
13 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:45:00
As far as I am concerned, Martinez has had a bad summer. He said himself he needed 6 or 7 new faces, but has only brought in one permanent deal player. The other signings are begining to look like blunders. Lukaku has looked like a grossly overpriced novice so far, and Barry’s legs loook to have gone. Why Barry was given 3 years at 33 is a complete mystery.
We are so amateurish from the top down.
Trevor McKinlay
14 Posted 01/09/2014 at 21:01:07
IÂ’m still not convinced this is true. No sign of any confirmation on AnderlechtÂ’s official site or Twitter account, or OlympiacosÂ’s official site or Twitter account. I think his futureÂ’s still up in the air.
James Stewart
15 Posted 01/09/2014 at 21:02:38
Agree with you on the Barry deal, Clive. A 3-year contact was madness. Lukaku played very well against Chelsea though and is worth the money.
Alex Jones
16 Posted 01/09/2014 at 20:57:50
Lukaku has been fine in both games so far and has two assists in two. Not as good as two goals but not a bad effort. He's held up the ball relatively well and passed well. He's looked sluggish like all of our players and clearly needs to improve his fitness. I would say we've not looked as fit under Martinez as we did under Moyes. I don't really get it, it should be an easy thing to resolve?

Having said that I think we came into this summer needing a striker as first pirority, a creative mid as second and a cb as 3rd. We definitely didn;t need a defensive mid and a winger was nice to have but not essential. We have therefore ignored our 2nd two priorities imo. We don;t have a positive passer in that deep midfield, although maybe Besic will be that, and that's a worry for me when we come up against teams who park the bus.

Trevor Lynes
17 Posted 01/09/2014 at 21:07:52
It seems like Cleverley is the only one and I am not satisfied with him judging by what I have seen of him.

Other players have signed for so called lesser clubs and we are doing nothing to attempt to solve our defensive problems.

Cleverley was really poor against MK Dons and his signing does not excite me at all!

James Elworthy
18 Posted 01/09/2014 at 21:11:10
Who really cares who signs him, if he was any good, we wouldÂ’ve signed him.
Andrew Yates
19 Posted 01/09/2014 at 21:08:00
It's a shame, it looks like Micah Richards is off to Fiorentina, good move for an English player, but, I think he would've made one hell of centre back partnership with Stones.

We can gamble with attacking/flair players but shouldn't be gambling at the back.

Tony J Williams
20 Posted 01/09/2014 at 21:31:51
Bit of a piss take really
Jim Bennings
21 Posted 01/09/2014 at 21:44:16
Doesn't look like anyone's coming in now anyway, bit of a damp squib if a day really.
Jim Bennings
22 Posted 01/09/2014 at 21:53:18
Please somebody tell me the breaking news that we are loaning Henen from Olympiakos, who he has just signed for is some kind of belated April Fool's joke??

I mean what the fuck?

We are prepared to use our last loan up on a player who Martinez has already told us will only go into the youth team??

I'm starting to think either Roberto has been on the sauce today or he has totally just lost it.

Where's our friggin defenders?? We have FOUR CENTRAL DEFENDERS.

The Cleverley deal dead anyway, so that looks like the end of any first team incomings.

Bit shite really, in my opinion.

Al Reddish
23 Posted 01/09/2014 at 22:18:26
As always reflect my thoughts exactly.
Mike Keating
24 Posted 01/09/2014 at 22:25:16
Everton offered to sign Cleverley but nowhere near the ٦m asking price. But he doesn't have to go to Villa (who have offered the asking price) so may just sit it out until the end of his contract.

He owes nothing to the 'Cleverly Out' knobheads at OT...


Jim Bennings
25 Posted 01/09/2014 at 22:25:47
There are more than a few things I just can't work out about Martinez in this transfer window.

First of all I can't believe he is not out there today trying to bring a central defender in and why he has signed only ONE since he became our manager.

Secondly, if as we are lead to believe and he loves Cleverley so much and we are now hearing it was a permanent deal for the United man, then why not make him a priority ahead of Besic and why spend so much on the Gareth Barry contract?? At 33??

I'm sorry but the longer it's gone this window the more it's baffled me.

David Chait
26 Posted 01/09/2014 at 22:38:38
Exactly my questions Jim ... I'm not getting this day at all... Or the first 3 games for that matter
Trevor Lynes
27 Posted 01/09/2014 at 22:41:13
Well, we wasted a lot of money on Henen and I do not blame the kid or his club for moving elsewhere.

We also wasted a lot on Traore who vanished without a trace.

Cleverley I am not bothered about as, IMO, he has not improved and is not worth spending money on except as a loan signing.

At least we made money on Duffy!! That should keep old BK happy.... (Does he wear mittens?)

Patrick Murphy
28 Posted 01/09/2014 at 22:40:48
Perhaps the first three games have given the money-men at Goodison food for thought so they have reined in any spending just in case we don't recover and continue to ship goals - having said that they are probably at the limit in budget terms already. But it begs the question how much have Everton FC actually spent in the summer as we all know that Lukaku wasn't 㿈m spent in one go. ٢m Besic, 㾶m Lukaku, Couple of million on McGeady and Stanek. Sixteen million on actual transfers this year not a great deal for an ambitious club in my opinion.
Harold Matthews
29 Posted 01/09/2014 at 22:44:21
Jim Bennings
30 Posted 01/09/2014 at 22:55:25
I just can't believe we haven't even been interested in a central defender.

What the hell?

No decent back up goalie.

No pressure on Howard to perform.
No pressure on Jags and Distin?

Harold Matthews
31 Posted 01/09/2014 at 22:59:41
Hull have signed half a team
Jim Bennings
32 Posted 01/09/2014 at 23:09:57
Looks like we are going to need to keep our fingers crossed now that Jagielka and Distin don't get injured now eh!?

Didn't think I'd be saying that but let's face if, it's true.

Expect to concede a lot of goals this season.

Dave Williams
33 Posted 01/09/2014 at 23:17:56
Frustrating but I havenÂ’t noticed a centre half of any note moving anywhere tonight. Sometimes the right player just isnÂ’t available or maybe the price was too steep?

Cleverley on loan may have worked but we were quite right not to buy him. Odd to sell Duffy with no replacement so it will be interesting to see how we line up in the next few games and please God Roberto sorts it out before we play at Anfield as I canÂ’t bear the thought of another thrashing there.

Re Henen ١m sounds steep to me and we have plenty of young strikers around. Shane #7 if Henen trained like the first team squad thereÂ’s no way we have got him fit for the Greeks!

Kieran Kelly
34 Posted 01/09/2014 at 23:49:24
Ah dear Jesus. Why would you allow another club to buy a player you rate as a future star to then get him on loan for a year to play u18 or u21? Wtf? And no cover in the CB position then allowing a promising Duffy to go. Come on!
Harold Matthews
35 Posted 01/09/2014 at 23:33:54
10 goals against in 3 games and no attempt to strengthen the defence. Very strange. I can only assume that Martinez and his coaching staff know how to rectify the problem using the present squad plus Galloway. We'll see.

The Cleverly business brought up the Wigan thing again which is not a good thing. In fact, it's beginning to get on my nerves.

As for Henen. We'd need Sherlock Holmes to unravel this one. If he wasn't up to standard we would have known within a day or two. Of course, the Martinez character test can be a lengthy affair but the whole thing is very confusing.

Dave Abrahams
36 Posted 02/09/2014 at 00:46:16
I can’t believe that’s it until January... but, then again, with Kenwright you should never be surprised. Whether Martinez is good or bad – if he is any good he will not wear Billy boy.

In my opinion, not a good transfer window. I had high hopes for this season but frankly they have evaporated. Just being an Evertonian is a very long journey.

Mark Andersson
37 Posted 02/09/2014 at 00:55:39
I went to bed with a glimmer of hope only to awake to read more of the same. If we don't win our next two or three games, then it could be a long nail-biting season. Let's hope that the manager has a plan, because he is loosing a lot of the supporters.
Dave Abrahams
38 Posted 02/09/2014 at 01:08:09
We should be used to the way Everton operate. There is no rhyme or reason to the way Everton do their business. 68 years IÂ’ve followed the Toffees and they never fail to do my fuckinÂ’ head in.

For godÂ’s sake, just do the simple things. ItÂ’s not rocket science.

Christopher Kelly
39 Posted 02/09/2014 at 01:30:05
Obviously he wasn’t good enough. Not bothered by this one. Completely miffed we didn’t address the D. Embarrassing.
Dave Abrahams
40 Posted 02/09/2014 at 01:52:58
Yes (39) but it shouldnÂ’t take two months.

IÂ’m not too bothered whether we sign the lad or not, why wait so long before deciding to buy or not? Central defence is what we should be concerned about.

Gavin Johnson
41 Posted 02/09/2014 at 01:57:40
Surprised that nobody's commented on the Echo story that is saying we now want to loan him back from Olympikiaos.

We quibbled over paying another ٟ.5M and we now want to develop him in our reserves. (For what purpose??)

Are we going to then pay Olympikiaos silly money after we loan him (if he comes good) because we were too proud to pay the fee Anderlecht wanted in the first place. Olympikiaos must be laughing their heads off!

Or develop him in our reserves just to go back, again, for what purpose?! We got a lot of benefit from the Eric Dier loan a couple a years back

Gavin Johnson
42 Posted 02/09/2014 at 02:08:19
Again embarrassing from Everton, up there with the Gosling and Nyarko visa debacles
Dennis Ng
43 Posted 02/09/2014 at 02:24:14
This is very disappointing, losing a prospect we have on our grounds for weeks for a mere ٟ.5M. I can only speculate that RM has not seen enough to warrant an extra ٟ.5M and hope this does not come back to bite us as "the one we could have gotten for cheap".
Ant Dwyer
44 Posted 02/09/2014 at 02:29:34
One word.... Pathetic.
James Flynn
45 Posted 02/09/2014 at 03:17:40
Roberto targeted Lukaku and Barry. He got them. Anything else would have been gravy.

Window shut, let's focus on the team playing, as a team, the way it did the first 60 minutes against a first-rate side Arsenal.

Mark Andersson
46 Posted 02/09/2014 at 04:19:09
Good point James, however the games last 90 minutes. I'm really looking forward to the rest of the season, because no matter what Martinez has now revealed anotherside to his spin doctoring.
There is no excuse to why the defence has become shambolick. And don't give me that the cb are past their sell by date shit, that's only part of the problem. The system is not working and other teams are exploiting the weaknesses.

But let's just see how it all pans out. Come May we will either be eating humble pie, or have pie in the sky expectations.

Matt Traynor
47 Posted 02/09/2014 at 05:55:59
I take it we didn't even bring him in on loan?

Rumours on other sites suggest that Anderlecht were trying to stiff us, and we were originally told it was a free transfer. The story now is that he's gone to Olympiakos on a free, and we were to take him on loan prior to a nominal transfer fee in the future if he shapes up.

Who knows? Transfer Deadline Day is a semi-orchestrated mess anyway. Apparently this summer the Premier League spent more in fees than the top divisions of Spain, Italy and France combined.

David Chait
48 Posted 02/09/2014 at 07:01:51
This one is an absolute mystery which we'll never get the real reason for. how hard is it to say yep we like him.. this is the price.. done.. this should have been resolved ages ago.... I would like to think Anderlecht kept moving the goal posts although I reckon our dithering was just as much of a factor..
Hugh Jenkins
49 Posted 02/09/2014 at 07:40:30
Hi Everyone, this is my first post.

I may be mistaken, but isnÂ’t Besic meant to be centre-back who has converted to a defensive midfielder? Perhaps he was bought with this in mind?

Time will tell...

Al Reddish
50 Posted 02/09/2014 at 08:04:23
Maybe we ran out of money. Can't understand selling Duffy when we need defenders.
Derek Knox
52 Posted 02/09/2014 at 08:21:29
Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts!

This sounds along the the lines of the old saying above, as a few posters have mentioned several valid points on here, it does not surprise me that this protracted deal has collapsed on deadline day.

Don't get me wrong, I believe a lot, well all the transfers we have completed successfully, are great additions and also prove how far we have come in the last year. This time last year, if you had said we have just signed Rom and Sammy, there would have to have been a double-take, prior to jumping higher than Tim Cahill at a set-piece.

What does surprise me though that we have totally lacked any defensive incomings, and I sincerely hope that this will not haunt us till the January window comes around, which, if the case, could well be too late.

I have beaten the drum often with the comment that it is of little use scoring goals at one end if you immediately or priorly ship them at the other. Central Defence is a worry and I just hope and pray that the first three games, where we have leaked 10 goals and scored 7 is not a marker of what is to come.

Anthony Flack
53 Posted 02/09/2014 at 08:44:17
People have used the word embarrassing. I prefer to look at it from the other perspective. It would be insane to pay £3m for an entirely unproven prospect. There was hardly a queue of teams trying to grab him and it is relevant that neither Anderlect or Monaco were remotely arsed about keeping him.

Lucky escape?

Trevor McKinlay
54 Posted 02/09/2014 at 08:39:06
Still no confirmation anywhere on Henen, except Sven Claes on Twitter. Who knows whatÂ’s gone on there. If he really was the new Ronaldo why would Anderlecht let him go at all, let alone for ٟ.5m or ١m or whatever. I think maybe the hype has blinkered us all to what may just have been another Vellios or Gueye.

As for the defence, we already have a solid partnership, and Besic, Alcaraz, Stones and Galloway to back up. Any knee-jerk panic buys based on a few bad goals would have been ridiculous.

Sam Higgins
55 Posted 02/09/2014 at 08:48:57
We should have gone all out for Micah Richards last night and the fact that we didnÂ’t worries me. He would have been a fantastic signing. Just donÂ’t get it. Jags was shit in the World Cup and heÂ’s getting shitter every game.

Why canÂ’t managers just be brave? Jags on bench, Richards and Stones centre-back, Naismith captain. Simples!

Dave Lynch
56 Posted 02/09/2014 at 08:47:18
He spunked all his budget on Lukaku who IMO is a 10-12 million player at best.

What we payed was way over the top for him, I bet Et'o scores more than him this season as he appears to be a throwback to those lumbering strikers of the past.

Todays game is about speed and agility, neither of which he appears to have.

Nigel Gregson
57 Posted 02/09/2014 at 08:54:58
After taking a close up first hand look at him, while he was training for us, we decided not to pay up the price that the host club was asking then fine - I have no issues at all. More worried about what the back line will do at the Hawthorns.
Sam Higgins
58 Posted 02/09/2014 at 08:58:07
If Lukaku scores 4 at the Hawthorns, then all is forgiven!
Peter Warren
59 Posted 02/09/2014 at 09:05:18
Surprised by the negativity. We have a v good talented team with exciting away trips into Europe and loads of new potential stars to watch - Eto, Atsu, Besic as well as seeing how establish young stars such as Barkley & Stones kick on. We also have the most realistic chance we’ve had in years at ending our trophy drought. Cheers up
Tim Spring
60 Posted 02/09/2014 at 09:11:21
I agree Peter (59), reading through some of these comments makes me think we are back to the early 2000s picking up transfer delights like Nyarko and Idan Tal!

1. This is Everton, we are never going to splash silly money (especially having already got the cheque book out early!).
2. We've captured one of the most exciting young striking prospects in world football on a 5 year deal.
3. Our defence conceded the 3rd least goals in the league last year and
4. Martinez took us to our highest ever premier league points total.
The season has only just started, and yes our defence has looked leaky so far, but Martinez has consistently said he will only bring in players who will improve the set up. I would imagine he sees that the only defensive players he wants to sign are either way too expensive or not available at the moment.

With regard to Henen, who knows what he could be like in a year or two, but some of the comments going around are like Magaye Gueye all over again (remember him, Everton's best kept secret!?!) Bottom line is, if we wanted him, we had a long enough time to see if we rated him, so I would presume he's not up to the standard of the value Anderlecht wanted.

Danny Burke
61 Posted 02/09/2014 at 09:18:19
Dont get the negativity.

Duffy had gone as sadly he wasn’t good enough. We still have 4 CB, how many do you need? Hibbo and Barry can play there in an absolute emergency. The back 5 last season had the 3rd best record in the league. 3 poor games hasn’t made them bad players, their form will improve.

Cleverley would have been a decent addition on loan but not essential. Contract up at the end of the season so why pay ٥-8m when you could maybe expect him in Jan or the summer on a free.

Why pay over the odds for Henen? If we value at ٟ.5m why pay double that? It’s not like we missed out on Messi for the sake of a few quid. He may still come apparently on loan, not sure how that works as the window is shut.

We have had a good window, Lukaku, Barry, Eto’o, Besic and Galloway in on permanent deals with Atsu on loan. Most of them done early enough in the summer rather than a last min scramble, but as soon as we don’t bring loads in on deadline day the club get slaughtered. The club can’t win sometimes (and I’m not taking about the first 3 games!).

Jim Bennings
63 Posted 02/09/2014 at 09:36:42

It would have to be a major emergency injury crisis for me to want to see Hibbert or Barry turning out at centre half in a Premier League match.

That to me is not a team set up to challenge for 4th.

I think we have had a decent transfer window I’m not sure I’d say good.

We paid over the odds for Lukaku, only to find he is apparently nit fit yet because he has been carrying a slight injury, if that’s the case he shouldn’t be starting.

We paid too much fir Barry’s loan deal to become permanent.

We signed Besic for 4 million, a squad player fair enough but we ignored the fact that we needed a younger, fitter, more able central defender.

As for the likes of Hibbert, Gibson and Alcaraz??
These three will contribute no more this season than Thomas Hitzlesperger did 2 years ago.

The signing I am most pleased with is Eto’o...a genuine World Class striker, and the word is used too lightly nowadays but Eto’o is World Cup.

Lukaku fit or not, needs to take a long hard look at Eto’o and watch the movement and see that’s what he has to start doing to become the striker we all hope for.
I’d also suggest he watch the workrate if Steven Naismith.

Hull City spent 36 million in the transfer window??

Jim Bennings
64 Posted 02/09/2014 at 09:51:01
Eto’o is World Class**

I would personally like to see him start at West Brom with Naismith behind him.

Let Lukaku cone off the bench to influence it, may actually help him because he was mire successful at West Brom as a substitute.

At least until he finds form and fitness.

Tony J Williams
65 Posted 02/09/2014 at 09:27:25
"he appears to be a throwback to those lumbering strikers of the past."

Nothing lumbering when he showed the Arsenal lad his heels when setting up Naismiths goal.

David McKitt
66 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:07:02
Hold on.. Everton just announced on twitter that we signed Henen on loan for a year from Olympiakos??!? WTF?
Brent Stephens
67 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:08:38
David, I read y'day that that was the plan. They buy him and we loan him from them.
Andy Whittingham
68 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:08:46
I don't understand.
Nelly Verdonghan
69 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:09:23
Henen signed on loan...???????

Very strange !!

David McKitt
70 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:08:16
Confirmed on main site:
David McKitt
71 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:11:35
Whats the point in loaning him? Do we have a buy option at the end of it?!?.. Strange one. Are we just training him for Olympiakos!
Dermot O'Brien
72 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:14:38
What the f**k? Only Everton.
Dean Adams
73 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:15:06
That has to be the strangest setup ever. What is the point of it? Either buy him or don't buy him, but to take him on loan when someone else has just pais £3m, which was twice the original price , well it just seems so stupid. There must be more to it than first meets the eye.
Andrew Ellams
74 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:17:11
This is the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. How does this work and what do we gain from it? — apart from maybe buying the guy for an inflated price next year. How do the U21s gain from having loan players in the squad?
Nathanial Ventos
75 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:18:16
This doesnÂ’t make sense... donÂ’t we have to pay a loan fee???
Jamie Sweet
76 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:16:13
This one needs explaining because on face value it seems completely ludicrous.

Surely there must be more to it than loaning someone to play U21's. Nobody does that do they?

Sam Hoare
77 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:22:33
Bizarre. Eric Dier mk II. Not really heard of other clubs ever doing this once...let alone twice!

Nigel Gregson
78 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:24:54
Honestly do NOT understand the logic of this deal ? Are we the feeder club for olympiakos ? Are we so skint that we cant even beat olympiakos for a U21 player's fees ?
Tony J Williams
79 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:22:00
So we don't buy him but loan him to to play in the under 21s......and pay his wages for a year?

Fecking ridiculous situation. It must be that he wants to be here but we can't agree the costs.

Matt Traynor
80 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:19:44
Dean #73, I don't think Olympiakos paid anything like £3m for him. I don't think they paid anything at all... Greek football, like the country, isn't exactly awash with cash. The Premier League is - like I said in my post above where I mentioned what I'd heard about this Henen deal - Anderlecht were playing silly buggers.

At the end of the day, RM wanted the player in the U21 "development" squad. The player has the same agent as Mirallas and Lukaku, we've had recent dealings with Olympiakos (Mirallas transfer) and a compromise deal that suits everyone but Anderlecht is in place. If Henen shows progress, he'll be signed permanently, and Olympiakos will get a token fee for it.

Jon Ferguson
81 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:21:55
I'm not one to overly criticize the management at our club, but this one seems completely bizarre. If we wanted him we should have signed him. He's just been transferred to Olympiakos who will surely only sell him for a profit on what they paid, why are we loaning him now?

A slight change of subject but, tge whole loan system has gone bizarre in recent seasons. Man U loaning Falcao for a season at ٣mil seems bizarre to me.

I think up until now I was a modernist, thinking some other posters were stuck in the past, but these recent developments trouble me. If the top 8 teams in Europe can essentially sign all the best (young) players and then loan them all out to other clubs, at a profit, then football as we know it will collapse.

Brent Stephens
82 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:29:47
Matt #80 - thanks for the low-down. Starts to make sense now. I think we can all calm down.
Dave Cook
83 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:34:00
Don't worry chaps, it's all part of Bills master plan to get him fit and ready for the Spurs squad in 2 years
Richard Murray
84 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:36:54
We have signed him on loan for the season after all!


Paul Hewitt
85 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:38:23
We have signed him just to go into the U21 squad... Why?
Philip Roberts
86 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:31:15
I like to think IÂ’m reasonably intelligent, I can usually work out whodunnit before the end... but, for fuckÂ’s sake, I havenÂ’t got a clue on this one. Why loan a reserve player, and tie up a place in the U21s, for another teamÂ’s benefit?

There must be more to this than meets the eye; it just doesnÂ’t make any sense.

IÂ’m eagerly awaiting the clubs reasoning behind it... but IÂ’m not holding my breath.

Derek Knox
87 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:32:46
Still trying to find out more information over this Henen deal, but all more or less say the same thing, that Olympiakos have paid for him and loaned him back to us where he was on an extended trial anyway. Confused! You bet.

Hypothetically then, should he be a success, which I hope he is with the future in mind, and we want to keep him, and by all accounts, he wants to play for us. We would have to negotiate with Olympiakos, who could ostensibly demand ٣-6M, (well they are not going to sell him for the same price they paid are they?) come to think of it, thatÂ’s about right for Everton, we pay 4 times what we were prepared to pay in the first place, eventually.

Danny Burke
88 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:34:30
Jim, I did say an absolute emergency. I wouldn’t want to see it either. Hibbo played one or two games there and got plaudits for basically not being terrible. I think Barry started his career as a CB/LB. Like I said, absolute emergency.

I agree we paid too much for Lukaku but the lad is still only 21 and has phenomenal (To quote El Bob) potential. He had a lot of improving to do and hopefully he will learn from someone who has been at the very pinnacle like Eto’o. I love the star that he scored more by his age than Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo, Ibra, RVP etc.

Back to this Henen deal, I don’t understand the way it has come about. I suspect Anderlecht wanted some of the PL money and messed us about with the price. This may be a clever work around.

Barry Morrison
89 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:48:13
Is this bizarre arrangement anything to do with financial fair play? With the 㿊m+ outlay this transfer window, are we at our limit?

I'm at a loss to understand it otherwise.

Colin Glassar
90 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:48:18
The Henen deal is sheer madness IMO. What are we doing? Preparing a player for olympiakos? Or getting him up to scratch to buy him for more than ١m in the summer? I honestly don't get this one.
Brent Stephens
91 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:57:41
Colin, Matt above might have an explanation?
Patrick Murphy
92 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:56:12
It looks to me as if Anderlecht didn't want to do business with Everton FC for whatever reason and apparently there were complex ownership issues to deal with so maybe the Greek club have done Everton a favour and if he is deemed not good enough over the next 12 months Everton have only lost the money paid on wages rather than dumping ١m. Speaking of wages how on earth are Everton or indeed most PL clubs able to compete with United et al when as reported in the Echo: -
Falcao earns 㿎 a second. Meaning if he dropped 㿀 on the floor he will have already earned the 㿎 by the time he gets back up.

The game has gone completely silly and the wages are getting out of control.

Colin Glassar
93 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:00:07
Didn't see that Brent. Makes sense I suppose. Isn't this a bit like money laundering though?
Peter Barry
94 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:03:13
This Henen shenanigans just makes no sense whatsoever.
Brent Stephens
95 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:04:17
Colin, picking up on Matt's information, it might be that far from cocking up, Bill has played a blinder?? i.e. Anderlecht don't play ball, Bill sets up informal agreement on the QT with out Greek buddies, Bill / Olympiakos wait till last minute so Anderlecht are left high and dry??? All guesswork on my part.

Brent Stephens
96 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:06:59
PS, and we pay "via" Olympiakos less than we would have paid for the loan had we dealt direct with Anderlecht??!! And still get our man!
James Morgan
97 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:05:32
Strangest deal I've ever seen.
Jim Bennings
98 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:43:07
Only Everton!!

We have watched him in training for ages, obviously don't rate the lad enough to want to splash cash on him so I don't know quite what that tells Henen really?

Martinez has already stated that he's only going into the U-21's anyway, it really can't say much for our young lads can it?

I am beginning to start worrying about Roberto.
I'm starting to see him slowly but surely turn into the Everton way of thinking, some of the things he has said/done this year are mystifying.

The whole Lacina Traore issue , was nothing more than mind-boggling.

The ignorance of needing some serious central defensive cover, and I don't mean Hibbert, Barry or Besic, play them there in this league and they will be eaten alive.

Then there is the whole pursuit of Tom Cleverley when he already had an abundance of players who play in that position, and why after signing Barry and Besic? Where would Cleverley have fitted in?

Then there is baffling decisiIons like playing Robles in the Arsenal Cup quarter final? Why would you do that in a game of such importance?

Don't get me wrong here he's done far more right than he has wrong but I'm just becoming a little concerned by some of the things he does and says.

Now the Henen deal?

Just plain strange.

As I say I do live him, I'm a big fan and I was one who banged the drum for his appointment last year but I think the honeymoon stage is gone now, it was pretty good but this season is when the married couple really start getting to know one another more..

Lets hope there aren't too many rough moments.

Anthony Jones
99 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:11:44
This site is becoming "".

If Matt-#80-is correct this may be an example of intelligent negotiating by members of the club. Forever derided as commercially inept, perhaps they aren't always the villains?

Colin Glassar
100 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:14:46
It could well be a great move on our behalf if that is the case Brent. Anderlecht have tried to play hardball and it might have blown up in their faces.
Andrew Ellams
101 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:14:45
Jim, the Traore deal was taken out of our hands because of other goings on at Monaco, ie, they have come out of this transfer window minus James and Falcao.

To be honest, IÂ’d prefer two years of EtoÂ’o. He looked well up for it on Saturday and brings the obvious commercial advantages too.

Steve Carse
102 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:12:30
The gloss is certainly coming off Roberto in recent months. The fade away at the business end of last season; his time away from the office to cover the WC; the pre-season fixtures fiasco; the late starting for training of WC players; the blowing of all our money on what is a still unproven centre forward; the strange substitutions in the first 3 games of the new season; and now the apparent lack of activity to secure cover at CB, a key part of the team.

Of these, the absence of any structure to the pre-season has been the most serious. It was downplayed by many but has clearly left individual players underprepared and the whole side short of practice in playing together again -- organisationally we look a mess this season.

The gap between us and a CL place has widened over the space of 3 months. So let's forget coming top 4 and give the 3 cups a real go. And that means playing not far off our strongest side for each cup game.

Steve Jenkins
103 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:37:46
Just to echo what Denis, Colin, Brent etc have said.

IÂ’m sure Roberto did most likely try for a CB - like the kid a city but it didnÂ’t happen, weÂ’re not party to these matters on unsubstantiated rumours mainly.

The only thing IÂ’m struggling to understand is Henen situation and I think that needs to be cleared up by the club as it has left us looking a little stupid.

Did we keep money back for another player (Cleverley perhaps) & hope to get Henen only for Olympiakos to come in and meet AnderlechtÂ’s fee, then when other deals to collapsed we loaned him last minute?

Do we have some sort of agreement in place with Olympiakos to sign him in a year provided he meets the standards expected?

Strange & needs clarifying.

Ciaran Duff
104 Posted 02/09/2014 at 10:54:42
Something doesn't add up here.
As Matt (#80) says, it is hard to believe that Olympiacos would shell out that sort of money for an 18 yr old unproven player. Also, as other people have mentioned, what is in it for Everton?
Sounds like maybe this is a compromise deal, where we evaluate him for a year and then if we decide to take him then we'll pay the higher amount (3m)?
Steavey Buckley
105 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:45:56
Henen the strangest piece of transfer business I have even known. Why are Everton loaning a player that Anderlecht have just sold to Olympiakos, who then promptly loaned back to Everton just to play in Everton's under 21 team; when it would make more sense just to play another young Everton player in his position to gain the experience; even though the under 21 team is just a stepping stone to be loaned out to another club.
Brent Stephens
106 Posted 02/09/2014 at 11:57:39
Jim #97 - what's wrong with the Henen deal?
Ian McDowell
107 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:01:21
No idea what this deal is about
David Chait
109 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:03:59
The only way this makes sense is if we have an option to buy at an already agreed price... Man only reason might be some ownership paper issues complicating it and this was a way to buy time to get it done.
Andy Whittingham
110 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:15:23
Just reading on the Guardian site that we've loaned him from Anderlecht, and not Olympiakos..

Colin Glassar
111 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:20:14
Steve jenkins I was also confused/angry about the Henen deal but if you read Brent Stephens explanation on the Â’Henen dealÂ’ thread it makes a lot more sense now.
Colin Glassar
112 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:25:33
Everton have signed Henen on a 12 month loan deal FROM Anderlecht. Nothing to do with Olympiakos. Just seen it
Colin Glassar
113 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:27:22
Just seen it Andy. Last minute loan deal struck with Anderlecht for Henen.
Chris Leyland
114 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:36:07
Andy/Colin, the official website still says he was transferred to Olympiakos and we signed him on loan form them:

Craig Bellew
115 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:35:05
The OS says the following -

Everton have confirmed they did complete the loan signing of 18-year-old Belgian forward David Henen before the transfer window closed on Monday evening.

Henen was transferred from Anderlecht to Greek side Olympiakos on transfer deadline day but was immediately loaned to the Blues for 12 months.

A Belgian youth international, he will link up with the ClubÂ’s Under-21 side after playing for BelgiumÂ’s Under-19s in Serbia during the international break.

Blues boss Roberto Martinez said: "As we had said previously, heÂ’s someone whose potential we recognise and at this stage he will go into the Under-21 development squad. We are looking forward to working with him this season."

Jim Bennings
116 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:34:22

What's wrong with the Henen deal?

I think about another 100 posts or so could tell you that.

Why have we loaned a player that is not going to star anytime soon for the first team so.

Surely Olympiakos won't sell next year so what's the sense?

And if he's that good why are the Greeks allowing him out on loan?

Colin Glassar
117 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:39:03
I even more confused than ever then.
Mike Hughes
118 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:42:09
Craig Bellew
119 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:40:07
Something not quite right with the whole scenario but I very much doubt we will ever get the true reasons as to what went on behind the scenes. ItÂ’s all very suspect if you ask me, but alls well that ends well and I very much doubt we would take him on unless we had an option to buy should he come good as I have a feeling he will get games even with RMÂ’s stance on he is just gunna go into the U21Â’s. I feel we may see him in one or 2 cup games after the trun of the year if were still in them that is and dependant on how he goes he may even get a slot on the bench as back up to Rom and EtoÂ’o.
Eugene Ruane
120 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:46:16
Glad to see people actually using the rulebook.

TW rule 2,780 (see subsection 4, page 1054) - 'If a TWer doesn't know or understand absolutely every single detail of every transfer and/or loan, he/she is entitled to get all eggy and/or hysterical and make the massive leap to 'Everton have fucked-up big style this time'

Brent Stephens
121 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:45:55
Jim #111 maybe another 100 posts might say that a loan for Henen isn't bad.

Maybe this is all about taking the long view, you know development and all that, given that we aint loaded with cash to chuck around on expensive. already-developed players,

You say "surely" Olymp wont sell next year. You don't know that. There might be a buy-out clause, we get first pick etc. And if we'd loaned from Anderlecht, same issue, what certainty that we could buy at the end of the year - like all loans. That's if we want to buy!

If he's that good why Olymp allowing a loan to us? Well, maybe there's a sweetener in it for them. Who knows!!

Steve Foster
122 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:45:22
101 - Steve Carse

You can tell all this by 3 games?

We just enjoyed one of the greatest seasons in recent times, and now, 3 games in, 2 draws and a defeat the 'gloss is coming off'?

RM has a long term plan, you can see by the infrastructure being placed.

Let me guess, we fail to beat WBA, then we are truly screwed! Jesus, did I miss the memo that the BPL was to be run over a 4 game period.

Colin Glassar
123 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:53:20
Eugene, can I get a copy of the TW rule book please? I'm particularly unclear about rule 69, paragraph 11, sub-section 4, lines 6-9 regarding the permitted criticism of positional play.
Clive Lewis
124 Posted 02/09/2014 at 12:57:02
Confused OK this is reading like we are taking a lad on loan to develop him for another team. Confusing? what use is the development going to be?
Steve Jenkins
125 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:01:30
Cheers Colin

Just found this in the Echo

David Henen’s agent, Christophe Henrotay, has an excellent relationship with Everton ... and Olympiakos. #EFC

Kristof Terreur (@HLNinEngeland)

This suggests (reading between the lines) that the agent has set up a future deal between Olympiakos & us.

Then Greg o’Keefe tweets

Henen will go into U-21s but hope is that if he progresses as expected he could later become a first team option during his loan spell #EFC

His transfer was always complex due in part to issues over the player’s ownership and what #EFC believed was an over inflated fee #Henen

which seems to suggest that there may be plans for him to be brought into the first team/squad this season.

Here’s the link to the page on the site

Brent Stephens
126 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:13:15
Steve #117, if true, just as I (wildly) guessed.
Steve Jenkins
127 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:17:34
Agreed Brent – for it to be anything else just would not have made sense.
Alan Humphreys
128 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:16:31
That Henen story is bizarre, Steve – utterly bizarre. I wonder what if any arrangement is in place and what Olympiakos actually paid. I can't see any mention of it on their OS or of the fee paid elsewhere.
Roberto Birquet
129 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:21:58
We've just signed him for the season.
Brian Cleveland
130 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:17:32
Strange one indeed!

A loan is to fill a temporary gap until you can get someone permanent... and as Marti­nez has repeatedly said, he is one for the U21s.... so what gap is he filling? It would be rather bizarre to loan a player to go into your youth set up unless there was something else afoot....

I guess something like Steve mentions above half fits the bill... but still seems a strange way of working to me. If we get an option of buying later, at what price... Olympiakos won't be doing it out of kindness!


Eugene Ruane
131 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:11:13
Colin - "Eugene, can I get a copy of the TW rule book please? I'm particularly unclear about rule 69, paragraph 11, sub-section 4, lines 6-9 regarding the permitted criticism of positional play"

Tricky, Colin as it takes three postmen to lift the book and they simply don't have the manpower. However, the rules (re criticism of positional play) are very clear.

Anyone who has just had a competent game in any position can be described as having had "a fucking great game" and must stay in the side forever. TWers can also add that this player seems to 'love' or 'get' Everton.

Anyone who hasn't played well in their most recent game (and has maybe made a couple of mistakes) can be described as being "Fucking SHITE!!!"

TWers are also allowed to suggest this player should be sold immediately, then shot, then stabbed... then shot again.

Harold Matthews
132 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:25:24
Thanks Matt @80. You seem to have the Henen deal usual.
Colin Glassar
133 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:34:53
Thanks Eugene, that's made it a lot clearer. I think.
David Chait
135 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:36:19
I need to highlight the change to rule 485, Para 9, Subsection 7 .. almost the last page... Change from "If unsure who to blame, blame Osman" to "If unsure who to blame, blame McGeady". Important change which should be adhered to going forward.
Adam Luszniak
136 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:44:51
So the beeb have him joining us on a season long loan?

Jim Bennings
137 Posted 02/09/2014 at 13:54:23
Brian Cleveland

After the Traore madness, of keeping him the rest of the season despite Martinez knowing full well in early March that it was a "8 week injury" then whatever has happened with Henen should be no surprise at all.

As mentioned, why would you loan a young lad just to play in the youth team? What about the progress of Chris Long or McAleny? We can only assume they are not ready yet either.

It's a shame we couldn't have found a decent bloody centre half to loan.

Dave Lynch
138 Posted 02/09/2014 at 14:07:32
David @ 126.

Is it still permissible to include Neville in the blaming of all things that go wrong?

Brent Stephens
139 Posted 02/09/2014 at 14:18:32
Jim #128 "As mentioned why would you loan a young lad just to play in the youth team."

I think this is long-term, developmental, not any short-term fix. Just as the Scottish manager bought Stones to go straight into the U21s with a longer-term view – and look at him now.

I don't think it's rocket science – it's the School of Science.

Paul Dark
140 Posted 02/09/2014 at 14:31:39
But what's the point of a long-term acquisition in a one-year loan? Is there an option to buy?

Makes no sense on the surface of it.

Paul Dark
141 Posted 02/09/2014 at 14:32:42
CG – can you clarify what's 'really' happening?

Thanks, as ever.

Joe O'Brien
142 Posted 02/09/2014 at 14:14:58
Can someone explain to me what just happened here? Why haven't we bought this player? He seems to be training with us since he was 10 years old so we must have seen if he's good enough. Since we didn't buy him, it must have been that we didn't rate him, and if we didn't rate him, why have we taken him back on loan??

All the messing about with Cleverly saying that we only wanted a loan deal and Man Utd wanted only a sale. That's what I thought was happening anyway. Now today it seems that Villa have taken him on loan??? Again very confusing. Don't get me wrong: I'm not disappointed that we didn't get him because we have enough playing in that role.

I thought Richards had moved to Italy permanently only to see it was a loan deal. I still don't get why we didn't go for him. He's not a punt, loads of prem experience.

In general, I'm happy with the window, keeping all our players and getting a few in, but not having another option at centre half is going to hurt or season I reckon. Hopefully we don't have a manager that's too proud to admit he was wrong and we did in fact need someone at the back when he said he wouldn't be strengthening there cos we didn't need to. I hope he's right and everyone on this site, or so it seems, is wrong.

Shane Corcoran
143 Posted 02/09/2014 at 14:33:13
I think weÂ’re going to need someone more straight-talking than Martinez to explain this one.

Maybe weÂ’re going all-out for the U-21 League Championship and heÂ’s the final piece in the puzzle. This must explain why we did nothing for so long; we were waiting on a club with money to buy him and then let us have him for a year.

Dean Adams
144 Posted 02/09/2014 at 14:31:04
David @ 126

My copy is out of date, Hibbo is at fault for everything.

David Chait
145 Posted 02/09/2014 at 14:43:16
Yep, Dean, that version was changed circa 2011 when it became apparent Coleman was becoming first choice... then it was a more a deletion than a change as it read "Hibbert and/or Osman" to just "Osman". Made sense at the time.
Brian Cleveland
146 Posted 02/09/2014 at 14:42:30
Jim (128)

I think you are perhaps being a bit too harsh given that none of us are in possession of all the facts and reasons for what transpired with either Traore or Henen.

With Traore perhaps we weren't paying, perhaps insurance money was given he was out long term.... we don't really know, although of course from a fans point of view a frustrating situation... And with Henen, I say I am confused for the moment, perhaps the master plan will be revealed in the goodness of time. We have to wait before we can know and make a full judgement, but I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt until things become clearer rather than immediately criticise because I don't know what's happening.

Perhaps I'm too innocent but never mind.

Jack Plant
147 Posted 02/09/2014 at 15:22:24
Looks like we have got him on loan but he's going into the U21s, this makes no sense to me.
Steve Jenkins
148 Posted 02/09/2014 at 15:25:24
466 Alan

Agreed Alan, v strange.

Just have to wait & see. The lad desperately wants to be at Everton so you’d have to believe that an agreement is in place – one season from now for us to take him permanently.

Simon Gilmovitch
149 Posted 02/09/2014 at 15:39:14
What is the point in Everton taking Henen on a 12 month loan if he has just been signed by Olympiakos? if he is joining the under 21 squad and not going to play first team football what are the benefits to the club?
Si Cooper
150 Posted 02/09/2014 at 15:58:03
If we do this, and they do that....

Maybe it is to take care of.....


No, can't think of anything that makes this make sense. Just have to see how it pans out and hope it becomes clear.

Steve Guy
151 Posted 02/09/2014 at 16:06:04
On the face of it....bonkers. The Club should explain this decision
Paul Dark
152 Posted 02/09/2014 at 16:45:19
Is there a psychological solution? That RM hopes DH likes it so much that he wants to sign for us - and provided we like him - then he won't want to go back to O. There is a kind of RM logic to that, I guess ...

That said, there is no hard logic to it.

Wonder how Henen feels.

Jason Heng
153 Posted 02/09/2014 at 16:41:38
Everton gave up talking to Anderlecht and used the Greeks as a proxy to seal the deal?
James Smith
154 Posted 02/09/2014 at 16:56:23
We know he signed for another club but how longs his contract?
Harold Matthews
155 Posted 02/09/2014 at 17:07:35
Read Matt Traynor @ 80. As a pro economist he understands these things more than most.
Brian Waring
156 Posted 02/09/2014 at 16:55:22
It seems we may have had agreed a fee with Anderlecht, then all of a sudden they started wanting to up the price with add on fee's and we wouldn't play ball, also there was supposed to be third party issues.

A lot of theories being thrown around that we have shafted Anderlecht, and this deal with Olympiakos was a bit of a set-up,read this theory on another site, could be plausible.

"We weren't willing to pay their asking price before we got a full season out of him to see if he's the real deal, so Henrotay, Henen's agent, (also Mirallas and Lukaku's agent) who we have a good relationship with, has approached Olympiakos (who he also has a good relationship with) and convinced them to take him for Anderlecht's fee. Part of the deal is that he'd be loaned straight to us for the season with an option to buy him for a set fee if he impresses, and if not then he'll return to Olympiakos with experience in English football (amongst top players) under his belt.

Mike Hughes
157 Posted 02/09/2014 at 17:28:02
No offence to the person you are referring to Harold but how does he know anything more than what any of us have been told?

It's a bit 'trust me, I'm a doctor / policeman, whatever'

On the face of it, the deal appears strange given the seemingly protracted run up to it.

Again, without all the facts, I don't get the Duffy out, Henin in logic.

But I 'm not an economist.

I guess we just have to trust the manager on this one.

Drew Shortis
158 Posted 02/09/2014 at 17:39:03
I'm sure that if we really though he was the next Christiano Ronaldo we would have paid the cash or another top league team would have. The fact that he has ended up in Greece would suggest that the hype around him may be somewhat misplaced. To be fair he has played very little first team football and wasn't even destined for our first team squad in the immediate future so I can't pretend to be too upset about missing out!
Peter Mills
159 Posted 02/09/2014 at 17:33:06
If the theories about our connection with Olympiakos are true, it seems as though Everton's negotiators have been rather shrewd.

Am I allowed to say that?

Mike Hughes
160 Posted 02/09/2014 at 17:55:00
Peter, the key word in your post was, 'if'.

There are a lot of assumptions, suppositions and the like going on here.

We'll have a thread on 'JFK conspiracy theory' next that might contain as many facts as this one.

For me, Si #149 states things about right.

Anyway, so much for my break from football until after the international rubbish is out of the way.

Brent Stephens
161 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:00:41
Mike #156 "No offence to the person you are referring to Harold but how does he know anything more than what any of us have been told?"

Regarding Matt's post #80, Matt as far as I can see works in the and around "the game", is widely travelled and well connected and informed. If I read anything from him, I immediately assume it's no bum steer.

Matt, don't be coy, tell us where you work, what you do etc! Some might have more faith in you then and stop bleating so much.

Colin Glassar
162 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:02:25
Mike, there's no 'conspiracy theory' JFK was killed by his own government in a military coup.
Brent Stephens
163 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:05:04
Drew #157 "I'm sure that if we really though he was the next Christiano Ronaldo we would have paid the cash or another top league team would have. The fact that he has ended up in Greece would suggest that the hype around him may be somewhat misplaced. "

Drew, it might be somewhere in between those two extremes - i.e. we didn't think he was the next Ronaldo, but didn't believe he was overhyped (who was doing the hyping?) and thought he had sufficient potential for us to want to sign - but not so much that we wanted to pay whatever Anderlecht were asking?

Mike Hughes
164 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:05:27
Brent #160
Thanks for that.
I'm glad I phrased my post as a question then!!! (i.e. how does he know?) - which, I guess, is also what you are asking.
Again, though, unless anyone has details of this particular deal any expert insight is simply an educated guess, isn't it?

Mike Hughes
165 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:10:00
Thanks for ruining the evening.
Was just about to watch the movie to find the answer.

Brent Stephens
166 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:16:51
Mike, I think what I was saying was slightly more nuanced. I don't know that Matt does know the details but he is making some statements of "fact" and given his previous posts and what I think are his contacts in the game, I don't mistrust him. I was simply inviting him to say more to convince others not me (sorry, Matt, entirely up to you, of course).
Si Cooper
167 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:09:55
The problem with Matt's post at 80 is that it stops short of saying who actually pays Anderlecht. A fee for the lad has been agreed so it has to be paid to them at some stage.

I can't see how Olympiakos would sell him to us for less than they have agreed to pay us.

The only way I can see this working is if Olympiakos were able to get him for much less than Anderlecht were prepared to sell him to us for. We give them a loan fee and agree to cover the transfer cost next summer if we take up the option to keep him. The total we pay to Olympiakos is less than the £3 million Anderlecht wanted so we are happy. Olympiakos come out of the deal on top because they get the loan fee plus the top up transfer fee or the player himself to keep or sell on.

The problem is it has so far been reported that Olympiakos met the £3 million asking price, which only makes sense if we weren't able / willing to pay that amount for a player we firmly believe could prove himself worthy of in the next 12 months.

Colin Glassar
168 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:24:55
Mike, if you watch the film The Rock, with Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage, you will know by now that the answer to the JFK assassination was hidden in a pew in a church somewhere in the USA.
Si Cooper
169 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:27:20
"I can't see how Olympiakos would sell him to us for less than they have agreed to pay Anderlecht for him."
Mike Hughes
170 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:21:58

I take your point but stand by my own - even an educated guess (which is better than a stab in the dark) is still a guess.

No further questions.

However, I don't understand Matt's (#80) last sentence:
"If Henen shows progress, he'll be signed permanently, and Olympiakos will get a token fee for it."

It just doesn't make sense or seem logical to me. The story so far: Olympiakos own him, we've loaned him but somehow we have first refusal and Olymiakos get shafted.


Mike Hughes
171 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:32:41
Colin #167
My head hurts trying to get this Henin deal so I'm going to watch a Laurel and Hardy instead ("Way Out West" which is about as complicated L&H ever got).
No spoilers please.
Brent Stephens
172 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:34:34
Mike, Matt wasn't saying his was all an educated guess, I think you were?? Sorry, if I got that wrong. Matt seems to be stating some things as fact.

Get the Traynor on, ref!

Harold Matthews
173 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:14:48
Mike. I've always listened to Matt on money matters. He travels the world sorting out big business financial stuff while I try to get a grip of my Sky payments. I am a semi-retired professional artist. Painting is my area of expertise. When it comes to reading between the lines on economic issues my ego has no problem turning to Matt.
Colin Glassar
174 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:46:34
Mike, great film especially the end.
Mike Hughes
175 Posted 02/09/2014 at 18:48:02
Brent / Harold - OK, folks.

We need to hear from the man himself I think (yes, without causing a TW virtual fisticuffs, I think it's an educated guess but happily stand to be corrected.)

I'm not having a go at anyone.
But when TW threads start getting all legalese (ifs, buts and maybes etc) and player deals about as easy to understand as an MFI flatpack chest of drawers booklet with a couple of pages missing then something needs clearing up.

A good evening to all, gents.

Dave Southon
176 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:10:36
The obvious answer is that Olympiakos clearly owed us a favour after taking Mirallas off their hands that they paid for Henen then loaned him back to us to truly analyse him over a season before allowing us to take him on full time.

Can't think of a better explanation?

Phil Walling
177 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:11:15
There’s been more keystrokes wasted on this also-ran than any other in the history of ToffeeWeb

None of us will ever see him play before he fooks off back to Olympiakis.........or Brentford.

Tom Bowers
178 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:15:55
I suppose that Henen will just be used sparingly in the League Cup and other roles, given the statement by RM that he will be with the Under-21 development squad. IÂ’m not sure what that all means as he is not our player and, if he does play exceptionally well, if he gets a chance, where will he stand? Certainly if that happens, his market value will increase, and the Greeks will want a big fee if Everton want him after a seasonÂ’s loan. One hopes that he is not another Vellios who was of little or no use standing on the sidelines most of the time.
Brent Stephens
179 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:22:42
Oh, Phil, come on, tell me that's tongue-in-cheek! If not, it's low, even for you.
Phil Walling
180 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:30:44
If Vellios was Poundland , this guy is 99p Shop. The scout must be 'on an earner' !
John Otway
181 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:42:33
Lord but I pity you and your sour view on life Mr Walling
John Malone
182 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:42:02
Might be because were now so super-rich itÂ’s a fiddle between us and Olympiakos to comply with financial fair play!!
Phil Walling
183 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:44:20
Thanks, John, just wake me up when he's scored a sackful !
Shane Corcoran
184 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:50:06
Phil, correct me here if IÂ’m wrong, but have you ever seen this lad play. Simple question, yes or no?
Brent Stephens
185 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:52:58
Phil, what do you know about this guy to come to that conclusion? I assume you ARE talking about Henen and not some "also-ran" poster we're "wasting keystrokes on"!
Ian Bennett
186 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:57:41
Very strange this.

I assume this all around 3rd party ownership, which is an issue in England but not elsewhere. That said we've had some strange signings - da silva, that Azerbaijan kid??? spring to mind.

Rob Halligan
187 Posted 02/09/2014 at 20:03:32
Tom Cleverley signs for Villa on year loan. Just on SSN now.
John Crawley
188 Posted 02/09/2014 at 19:56:46
Found this on an Anderlecht fan website, make of it what you will!

"Youngster David Henen is not going (directly) to Everton after all. Yesterday evening he one-sided broke his contract with Anderlecht. Soon afterward, he signed a deal with Olympiakos in Greece."

Ian Bennett
189 Posted 02/09/2014 at 20:15:56
Defo 3rd party ownership John.
Nicholas Ryan
190 Posted 02/09/2014 at 20:55:07
What I have heard is this: There were some difficult third-party ownership matters, which were a problem if we bought him direct from Anderlecht.

Olympiakos did have some interest in him. The Greeks have 'bought' him for ١ mil. They will loan him to us for 1 season for ٟ.5 mil. This money will be paid by Ol. to 'buy out' the 3rd party owners. If we like him, we pay Ol. a further ٟ.5 mil. which they then pass on to Anderlecht. Thus, it costs Ol. nothing; we get a player we like for ١ mil. Ander. get ٟ.5 mil. and the 3rd parties get ٟ.5 mil. If we don't keep him, then Ol. pay Anderlecht ٟ.5 mil. [of their own money] and they own him for the next 3 years.

Apparently everyone agreed he was only worth ٟ.5 mil. but the 3rd parties wanted that amount AS WELL AS Anderlecht. They wouldn't take half of ٟ.5. This was the sticking point .... Simples ... [as they say!] .

Iakovos Iasonidis
191 Posted 02/09/2014 at 21:21:33
Jesus wept...
Brent Stephens
192 Posted 02/09/2014 at 21:38:07
Nicholas #189 - I don't disbelieve that - would just like to know the provenance of it.
Andrew Presly
193 Posted 02/09/2014 at 21:51:30
Henen - done deal!
Tommy Davis
194 Posted 02/09/2014 at 15:25:35
Re: Henen the situation gets curiouser & curiouser..........The Guardian (I realise the source) claims that at the last minute, Everton managed to get a loan for him from Anderlecht and NOT Olympiakos (which actually makes sense)?! They appear to be the only ones running this story, but to me "if" it ends up being true, then at least it kind of fits, into us having no money (why?)!

I am like most others re: this particular deal, it would make absolutely NO SENSE whatsoever, if it is a loan from Olympiakos...............unless of course, they owe us a favour, or Blue Bill promised them some front row tickets for his latest production, Le's never easy being a Blue is it?!?

As much as this situation & the one with Cleverley bothers me, I just want our defensive situation sorted out & get back to winning ways once again, so COYB!!

Si Cooper
195 Posted 02/09/2014 at 21:49:46
Nicholas (109) - surely Olympiakos must get something if we keep him otherwise no sense being the middle man, and they get a bloke only worth ٟ.5 million already a year into his contract.

Must be more about deferred payment or hedging our bets than third party ownership. Either way we still have to pay ١ million if we want to keep him. We could hand that over to Anderlecht and the third party now and try to recoup half of it by selling him on at a later date.

I don't see why such a simple solution took so long to come-up with. Wonder if we had to wait until we were sure we didn't need the money for somebody else?

Brent Stephens
196 Posted 02/09/2014 at 22:15:41
Tommy #193 - and yet the EFC website says Olympiakos signed him and we loaned from them.
Brent Stephens
197 Posted 02/09/2014 at 22:21:31
Tommy, is it the Grauniad article that includes "The 18-year-old had been training with Everton until recently but his parent club, Anderlecht, decided to sell him to the Greek side Olympiakos on Monday. However, Everton struck a deal to bring the youth international forward back to England for a season-long loan, although the paperwork was not completed until late in the day."

If so, that seems slightly open to interpretation but is probably saying Olympiakos did sign him and we loaned from them.

Tommy Davis
198 Posted 02/09/2014 at 22:15:48
My apologies to Andy & the others for already posting, what I wrote a few minutes ago, completely missed those posts earlier!!
Lewis Barclay
199 Posted 02/09/2014 at 23:02:44
If we were only looking to loan him in the first place I'd say this was a very clever way of getting a player that "might" have potential when his current club wanted to sell and not loan. Basically Olympiakos are a surrogate club!

Imagine if he breaks into our first team and plays a few blinders, Olympiakos are laughing and we got a good loan player. If he doesn't work out - then we took a risk that we wanted to, that it didn't seem like Anderlecht were going to allow us to and Olympiakos take him back without having paid his wages for him to be sold I for ٢m in two years.

Why didn't we buy him for ١m? I imagine that having a player like this on loan has various financial and accounting benefits over shelling out the ١ which weight use in January if we're still in lots of cups!

Trevor McKinlay
200 Posted 03/09/2014 at 00:32:27
For what it's worth, I think the likeliest scenario is that the player was part owned by Anderlecht and some other third parties. While we had agreed a deal with Anderlecht, we couldn't agree it with the other parties and ran out of time before the deadline. By striking a deal with Olympiakos we've taken the player away from Anderlecht and got him to Finch Farm, initially on loan until we can finalise a deal with the third parties. Olympiakos are just a convenient vehicle for Everton where the third party ownership isn't illegal. What's in it for Olympiakos? Perhaps a token payment, or more likely we've coughed up the rest of the Mirallas money that wasn't due for another year or two.
Dennis Ng
201 Posted 03/09/2014 at 01:55:10 for Henen to come to us on a Bosman?
Jamie Sweet
202 Posted 03/09/2014 at 01:52:38
My guess is that Nicholas Ryan #191 is closest to the truth. It must surely be a scenario where we have an option to buy at some stage otherwise the deal wouldn't make any sense at all.

Perhaps to sweeten the deal for Olympiakos, we have offered them first refusal on Tony Hibbert if he ever decides to leave.

Harold Matthews
203 Posted 03/09/2014 at 02:39:15
Seems to me this is a great deflection from the more urgent issues of poor defending.

Interesting to note that Mr Jones and the coaches are putting in extra time on these problems with the non-international squad members. Hopefully, someone will pass on a few tips to Jags, Baines, McCarthy & co when they return.

Phil Walling
204 Posted 03/09/2014 at 07:02:16
Thanks Nick @191 for clearing this up. As I implied, BK can't afford Poundland that's why we're shopping at the 99p Shop!
Drew Shortis
205 Posted 03/09/2014 at 08:35:57
Trevor McKinlay (#201),

That sounds like the most plausible explanation for these bizarre transfer goings on. If this is the case, I retract my previous post suggesting he is over hyped and revert back to my belief that he is the next Ronaldo / Messi / Pele ;)

Colin Glassar
206 Posted 03/09/2014 at 09:00:34
This sounds like something out of the Jason Bourne novels.
Karl Masters
207 Posted 03/09/2014 at 09:40:10
We'll know more in 48 hours....
Erik Dols
208 Posted 03/09/2014 at 09:36:27
Colin, this Jason Bourne guy, can he play centre back?
Colin Glassar
209 Posted 03/09/2014 at 09:53:59
Jason Bourne can play anywhere Erik.
Aidan Wade
210 Posted 03/09/2014 at 13:44:33
I've watched Jason Bourne a few times, he tends to be pretty anonymous, you wouldn't know he was playing at all but he has a habit of turning up with a winner right at the death.
Shane Corcoran
211 Posted 03/09/2014 at 19:39:12
Phil Walling, still waiting on a simple answer to my question.
Phil Walling
212 Posted 03/09/2014 at 20:13:02
No, Shane and I don't expect I ever will. If he was worth a light we would have bought him months ago. As it is, it looks like his one of those guys the soccer mafia hawk around in search of gold.

But my point was that a club of our stature should not even think of working with the bandits who control him. They ARE the 99p shop!

Shane Corcoran
213 Posted 03/09/2014 at 21:14:34
Phil, you called an 18 year old an also ran. You then implied that playing for Brentford is his level despite not seeing him play. You finally compared him, unfavourably, to Velios.

From reading your posts and seeing the amount of attention your posts attract IÂ’ve come to the conclusion that youÂ’re a wind-up merchant.

YouÂ’re pretty good at it but itÂ’s also pretty fucking sad.

But hey, itÂ’s not my website so once the editors allow "opinions" like yours to be aired then go for it if it gets you off.

HereÂ’s one for you, black is actually white.

Phil Walling
214 Posted 03/09/2014 at 22:01:18
Fair enough, Shane, I was a bit over the top. I guess I should be excited that this unknown kid has, after a month's prevarication, decided to join our great club via a very iffy loan arrangement with a third party club in Greece.

But frankly I can't persuade myself to feeling thus..You and others are welcome to see him worthy of 214 posts on this site but now I ask you : where's the evidence?

Shane Corcoran
215 Posted 03/09/2014 at 22:41:23
Evidence of what Phil?

People are discussing what they know about it. YouÂ’re just doing what you generally do; post something controversial to get a reaction. Job done.

Is there one post that said he was going to be a good/great player?

Phil Walling
216 Posted 04/09/2014 at 00:30:08
Unimportant. He is just a commodity for buying and selling, it seems !
Tommy Davis
217 Posted 04/09/2014 at 03:18:10
Just checked the official Olympiacos website and it shows David Henen as a free transfer from Anderlecht, also shows the 1 year loan to Everton!! I think Nicholas Ryan (191) has nailed it, or at least makes the most sense!
John Crawley
218 Posted 04/09/2014 at 18:02:48
Tommy bearing in mind your comments about the free transfer and my earlier one about Hennen breaking his contract the person who actually nailed it was Matt Traynor (80). Nicolas Ryan's post makes no sense and is also working on the basis that Olympiacos paid ١ million for Hennen when quite clearly that didn't happen. As you said above the Olmpiacos site shows it as a free transfer.
Greg Mckerracher
219 Posted 04/09/2014 at 20:53:23
Some papers are commenting that we are considering loaning Henen back to Anderlecht for the season. Anderlecht are baulking at the loan fee though. Around ١ million apparently.
Greg Mckerracher
220 Posted 04/09/2014 at 20:57:14
He then needs to come back to us and then back to Olympiakos. We will probably then buy him from Olympiakos, but loan him out for some experience in the short term.

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