Stones, Baines and Jagielka all feature in SwitzerlandJohn Stones was selected for his second start in and England shirt as Roy Hodgson's men picked up a morale-boosting 2-0 win in Switzerland to open their Euro216 qualifying campaign.
Leighton Baines was also named in the starting XI at left back with Stones in the opposite fullback position as England eventually went ahead through a Danny Welbeck goal in the second half.
Phil Jagielka came on for the last quarter of an hour in place of the injured Phil Jones as the Swiss stepped up their attempts to salvage a draw but Welbeck sealed the points on the break with a second in injury time.
Meanwhile, Brendan Galloway helped England U19s draw 1-1 in Germany.
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1 Posted 08/09/2014 at 22:07:15
2 Posted 08/09/2014 at 22:05:41
Having said that, Jags was great when he got on tonight. Like his old self. I hope itÂs a sign of things to come if he does stay in the side, but Stones to me looks a natural. What a snip he was.
3 Posted 08/09/2014 at 22:46:31
Can anyone please explain to me why Jack Wilshere is rated so highly? He couldn't even connect on a simple five-yard pass half the time; over-rated would be an understatement.
Next season for us, Stones and Galloway may be our regular CB combination, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
4 Posted 08/09/2014 at 22:49:04
Everton’s two full-backs played very well but the main thing is they didn’t get injured (I hope).
Wilshere and Rooney looked more like their old selves tonight and it was good to see Welbeck finding his scoring boots again.
5 Posted 08/09/2014 at 22:47:20
Martinez would be wise to do some rotating of centre-back's, giving the two older members some rest time in-between games. Jags especially and Distin to some extent have looked tired of late and could do with some rest time.
6 Posted 08/09/2014 at 22:55:16
7 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:03:07
Maybe, just maybe, it's our manager's tactics/ philosophy that's at fault ?
.......retires to don tin hat.
8 Posted 08/09/2014 at 22:55:41
As for tonight's game, I agree with you, Kevin, he looks far better in the centre where he could bring the ball out and start attacks. If only Ross Barkley was fit, he would've been a cert to play and I think England miss his services.
Jack Wilshere looked poor, but I suppose they will improve with more game time in an England shirt. All told, a win was the priority.
9 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:07:14
All the Everton lads did well enough tonight. Jags looked great when he came on. Baines was his normal busy self and if I was him I'd be pretty pissed at the number of times he was ignored when making good runs. Stones looked as cool as he normally does but was caught out of position a couple of times. He isn't a right back though.
I think it says more about the state of English football when England's right back is Evertons third choice centre-half.
10 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:18:01
11 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:14:54
12 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:25:27
13 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:29:26
14 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:32:27
Jags came on and was straight into the fray, making blocks and headers immediately. Milner also was better than Wilshere who has not improved since he was a youngster. The lad has decent ball control but is wayward in his distribution and lacks pace.
15 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:21:57
John will be a top player in a year or so, but I think he's in danger of being pushed too hard before he is truly ready. His positional play is all over the place at times.
Okay, you could argue that playing him is the only way he is going to get the experience. Yes, it is, but I would play him in our perceived easier games, and then don't expect him to be faultless!
16 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:41:08
I know there's the left / right thing but it seems with Barry and Baines playing leftish the worst thing, would be to nullify Baines forward threat by drawing him back. Play a true winger in front of Baines and the balance comes back, in a different guise.
Not sure I buy into the whole hacking to have a lefty in the centre thing either ...
17 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:45:57
Alan Green was likewise but John Murray said nothing. Nobody said anything about Sterling's inability to pass in attacking areas. I am amazed that Andy Townsend on ITV actually seems insightful in comparison!
18 Posted 08/09/2014 at 23:53:33
19 Posted 09/09/2014 at 00:00:38
Phil Walling Â– I agree on the irony, however three games into the season it’s too early to make those judgment calls. If we’re still conceding an average of 3 goals a game come Christmas time I might be more inclined to agree.
20 Posted 09/09/2014 at 00:02:46
YouÂll do for me. Anyone who tells the truth can do no wrong for me.
Carry on putting your tuppence worth in. I think you do okay.
21 Posted 09/09/2014 at 00:05:08
It wasn't an allegation, only a thought that our defenders aren't as crap as so many thought last week.
Since when was ANY manager beyond even a hint of criticism?
22 Posted 09/09/2014 at 00:19:13
I think a lot of people accept that there is probably more pressure on some positions than the way OFM played, but that is the price to pay for increasing your attacking options and the players handled it for the vast majority of the time last season. Some of the mistakes they have made so far this season have been particularly extreme errors of judgement. A professional footballer shouldn't be prone to regular extreme mistakes.
Jags has looked ropey at times whoever he has been playing for recently. Hopefully it is a temporary thing and he will regain his form and confidence very soon.
23 Posted 09/09/2014 at 00:40:22
24 Posted 09/09/2014 at 00:42:01
Of course, all he was doing was what he does best. Clearing his line. For Everton he would have pissed about "trying to find a pass"!
25 Posted 09/09/2014 at 00:48:34
26 Posted 09/09/2014 at 01:07:11
Chucking himself about heroically is a particular strength of his though, so hopefully that will also help him start picking the right passes and the best time to try to play an attacker offside again.
27 Posted 09/09/2014 at 02:29:06
28 Posted 09/09/2014 at 05:48:37
I also thought that today he was defending very narrow, he ended up being in the CB position rather than RB giving the man on the wing so much room and time to decide where he wanted to play it in.
Yes he's got lots of time to improve, but I feel less confident about him than I did at the end of last season... am I alone in that?
29 Posted 09/09/2014 at 05:51:17
"In all the first three games we've played we've had some bad luck in defense"
Yeah, that 'll be it, Kevin.
Hopefully they all come back healthy and ready to carry on the good work at the Hawthorns.
31 Posted 09/09/2014 at 07:04:34
However...he will be a star at centre back!
32 Posted 09/09/2014 at 08:32:12
I thought Wilshere was rubbish, considering he was supposed to be the lynchpin connecting defence to midfield.
People are saying Switzerland are a hard team to beat, but, well they are only Switzerland. I think if England had played like that against Germany or Holland it would have been carnage.
33 Posted 09/09/2014 at 08:36:57
34 Posted 09/09/2014 at 08:40:57
35 Posted 09/09/2014 at 08:41:20
Also, I thought the vastly over-hyped Sterling came crashing down to earth with a poor performance. I thought Henderson did okay and Welbeck was our MotM. Jags looked completely assured when he came on and made the defence gel again.
How that Behrami, the lad with streaks, stayed on the pitch I will never know. He should have been cautioned on 3 occasions at least.
Anyway, justice done; well done, Engerland....
36 Posted 09/09/2014 at 08:48:48
37 Posted 09/09/2014 at 08:53:16
I remember McFadden scoring a better one for Scotland, where you glad he played for Everton?
38 Posted 09/09/2014 at 09:10:30
I think McGeady is similar to McFadden in some ways, both with the ability to produce something magic every now and then.
The problem with McFadden was that these moments were few and far between and his overall contribution was questionable at times. Seemed to lack a great deal of desire I felt. LetÂs hope McGeady can deliver with more consistency.
As for Stones, he looked stronger (physically) last night which will help his development as a CB. HeÂs not a RB, which is why his positioning was off at times. But RB is a tough, specialist role to play Â– as good as someone like Vidic, Terry etc have been over the last decade, you wouldnÂt ever have seen them comfortably slot in at full back.
39 Posted 09/09/2014 at 08:49:14
Welbeck looked almost like a footballer last night. Quite impressed with Delph, particularly after getting booked so early to not get another one. I was concerned Hodgson didnÂt take him off but it also showed a lot of trust in him that will give him confidence.
All in all, quite a lot of positives but the defence is still not right. Cahill ballooned the ball away a few times, his passing was terrible.
40 Posted 09/09/2014 at 10:04:34
41 Posted 09/09/2014 at 10:11:00
42 Posted 09/09/2014 at 10:14:14
43 Posted 09/09/2014 at 10:24:54
What has now been established is that the manager has NO responsibility for their profligacy.
44 Posted 09/09/2014 at 10:08:36
I thought Bainsey looked much more at home in a set up that allowed him to get fwd, now all we need is the "diamond" boys in midfield to pass the ball to him.
Jags did very well when he came on didnÂt he. But to read some of these comments here youÂd think some had cancelled Christmas by the reaction to criticism of our start to the season defensively. ItÂs not just these last three games. Towards the end of the last campaign we shipped a few goals and even when winning looked uneasy at the back, making stupid mistakes and gifting teams like Southampton three points when it really counted.
WeÂve been aweful at the back so far this season and itÂs ok to say that, itÂs not dis loyal for pityÂs sake it is just obvious ! Does it mean last years third best defence is now crap ? I donÂt think so, but it does suggest Stones needs a run at CB and a brave decision needs making. It equally suggests Barry and McCarthy need to take a breath and perhaps sit a little deeper to protect against runs and stop the build up possession which often leads to crossing opportunities and frankly we havenÂt defended well enough in the air so.....
WeÂve a couple of games coming up that in the circs are more important than otherwise might have been. Need two solid wins with clean sheets please !
45 Posted 09/09/2014 at 09:30:37
Personally I donÂt mind John Stones playing right back for England; despite several hiccups, he came through it really well and will definitely get better.
As for Baines, he was class; he made some cracking passes with some great runs Â–should have received the ball a lot more though. All bodes well for the weekend and I am sure Bobby M will get us back on side again!
By the way AidenÂs goal the other night was a pure joy to watch!!
46 Posted 09/09/2014 at 11:06:43
I thought it might stop when old creasehead hung up his boots, but no! The new redshite belter, Henderson, suddenly has a blind spot for the left wing too.
The less said about the diver Stirling the better...
47 Posted 09/09/2014 at 11:10:07
48 Posted 09/09/2014 at 11:43:03
Defending-wise, again, no problem: good team shape, great cover to his centre-half all night. Also, great recovery when danger was around. Yes, distribution could have been better! Also maybe more positive in the last third of pitch. Just remember, this young lad had to cover the right flank on his own! So he played like a wing back with very little support from that tit from the dark side.
Baines had a great game, going forward and defending. I believe he was excellent all night. Both our boys who played the 90 mins can be proud of their performances.
49 Posted 09/09/2014 at 11:35:12
The big weakness for me is in defensive midfield. ItÂs all very well taking pot shots at Gerrard but, in fairness, the players coming in donÂt have his presence, nor that of the other retiree, Lampard. We saw last night that Wilshere was not adept at receiving the ball from his defenders, and this led to Jones and Cahill having to look to their full backs, thus bringing the inevitable "to you, to me" phase into play and slowing the game.
50 Posted 09/09/2014 at 12:47:05
52 Posted 09/09/2014 at 13:44:55
As for England, the midfield formation didnÂt really work, but the team has speed to burn and always looked dangerous on the break. A win against Switzerland away from home is not to be sniffed at.
55 Posted 09/09/2014 at 13:56:42
57 Posted 09/09/2014 at 13:59:42
Yes, if you play attacking football, the likelihood is you will concede more goals unless your defenders are supermen, it stands to reason. By the same token, you should increase your chances of scoring more!
What shall we do, go back to MoyesÂs preferred tactics? I donÂt think you will get much support for that scenario on here.
60 Posted 09/09/2014 at 14:48:52
63 Posted 09/09/2014 at 15:34:39
64 Posted 09/09/2014 at 15:34:42
I have no idea why, yes, the defence failed to stop GerrardÂs passes to opposition attackers, Baines was usually the only England player left of the centre spot in the England half, and the cross to Suarez for the first Uruguay goal was absolute perfection. However, I think poor Phil took it all badly.
I hope that this will rekindle his confidence, and that a rotation of Distin, Jagielka and Stones will result in an impenetrable confident and dominating defence
66 Posted 09/09/2014 at 15:41:18
As Raymond Fox (57) quite correctly pointed out, with a more attacking mentality it is inevitable that the opposition will also have more opportunities themselves. Obviously we donÂt want to concede six at home or concede late equalizers in games we have dominated, but if the choice is grounding out dull 1-0 wins or taking more of a risk and winning 6-5, occasionally drawing 10-10 and losing the odd game 10-12 then I will take take the higher score-lines, as long as we are winning more often than not.
When I go to work on a Monday morning, I rarely brag about clean sheets, itÂs goals that get me going and under Martinez that is what we are going to see. If that means the occasional rout, then so be it. My focus is on the points tally at the end of the season and the enjoyment I get along the way, not having the meanest defensive record in the league, though that is also something to be proud of.
IÂm sure our defence will tighten up over the next few games as the Chelsea game will focus attention on this weakness. We obviously have the players capable of defending effectively, last season proved that, they just need to focus and believe in their own abilities. Hopefully this international break will give them the opportunity to regroup and come back stronger.
Regarding Martinez, I donÂt see him as the messiah and without his faults. The pre-season was clearly flawed and has not given us the best of starts but he will learn from his mistakes.
As for the Wigerton jibes, yes, Wigan were relegated playing pretty football but conceding too many goals, but that is Wigan. Perhaps Martinez should have been more pragmatic there and followed a the Pulis model at Stoke, survive by any means. Martinez gambled and lost, but I respect him for sticking to his principles.
We are Everton and we have the personnel and resources to rectify any deficiencies. If we are not in the top six at the end of the season, I will be truly shocked. Only time will tell, but IÂm still filled with confidence for the future and a couple of disappointing results arenÂt going to change my belief that Martinez is taking this club places (other than the Championship).
67 Posted 09/09/2014 at 16:12:23
68 Posted 09/09/2014 at 16:20:21
69 Posted 09/09/2014 at 16:29:11
70 Posted 09/09/2014 at 16:47:22
73 Posted 09/09/2014 at 17:12:19
Roy has heard all the commentators and journalists lauding his talent and that he is the future, so letÂs find a place for him and, hey presto, we are short of a right back Â– letÂs put him there... that way, he is in a win-win situation. Maybe he doesnÂt think he is good enough to play as a central defender yet and this is his way of accommodating John Stones into the team?
Either way, in one way I am glad he is getting the experience in the company of other good English players but I hope, if he plays half decent in that position, he doesnÂt get the tag of just a versatile back player with no exact role.
77 Posted 09/09/2014 at 19:04:48
78 Posted 09/09/2014 at 19:48:28
79 Posted 09/09/2014 at 19:58:55
80 Posted 09/09/2014 at 19:27:49
Our penalty area looked like Aintree after the last race on Ladies day last week and the week before that and the week before that. Yet Three of our defenders were able to shut out a team ranked top ten in the world last night? IsnÂt it logical to ask why?
81 Posted 09/09/2014 at 20:28:45
Regarding the nub of your comment, the problem here is that you canÂt compare apples to apples because ChelseaÂs team, with the likes of Diego Costa, Ramires, Hazard and Matic is not comparable to that of Switzerland who didnÂt qualify for the second stage at the World Cup and are only in the top 10 in the world thanks to the bizarre way in which FIFA comes up with these rankings.
My take is two-fold:
- ItÂs too soon, after just three matches, to make sweeping claims that Jagielka is done, Distin is finished and weÂve turned into Wigan overnight because weÂve started shipping goals
- Although Jagielka was guilty of a grave error for ChelseaÂs opening goal and there is clearly an issue with how our defence defends corners, most of our problems the weekend before last stemmed from the huge gaps left by McCarthy and Barry for the opposition to move the ball around our penalty area. There is only so much an exposed central defensive pairing can do, IMO.
82 Posted 09/09/2014 at 20:54:39
As far as our lads are concerned, I repeat that whilst we may continue to struggle in the short term, November will see us at full throttle. Reasons already very well chronicled.
83 Posted 09/09/2014 at 21:12:33
I think you are right about Jagielka, but if you are right about Distin too then we are in deep trouble. I so hope you are not.
I also disagree that we have started defending badly overnight, I felt we were really creaking towards the end last season (Palace, Soton, Citeh) but, it simply hasnÂt been addressed.
Jagielka, Distin, Baines and Barry are old pros, theyÂll right the wrongs... at least in the short term.
Martinez has got a problem to address. Chelsea do have high quality players, but they didnÂt have to work very hard for their goals. ThatÂs criminal.
84 Posted 09/09/2014 at 21:41:58
85 Posted 09/09/2014 at 22:45:50
86 Posted 09/09/2014 at 23:33:13
In regards to PhilÂs sniping about the defence, itÂs not like Martinez is totally ignoring it, all you have to do is go to the official site and see him and Graeme Jones discussing it in interviews and saying that itÂs something they are very aware of and are working hard at fixing it.
We have not gone from the 3rd best defensive team in the EPL last season to total dogshit overnight, to think that is just plain ridiculous.
91 Posted 10/09/2014 at 07:32:02
"This group of defenders Â– the one Moyes assembled and coached Â– has conceded 39, 40 and 40 in the premiership in the last three seasons. that is incredible consistency.
That they have conceded ten in three opening games after one pre season under Martinez speaks volumes."
Last season, not this, was the first pre-season under Martinez and we only conceded 39 goals. In the past five seasons, Moyes final four and MartinezÂ first season, the fewest goals conceded was under Martinez, the most goals scored was under Martinez, and the most points accumulated was under.....you guessed it....Martinez.
"Our entire system is based on us being in possession of the ball; every time we lose it, panic sets in"
We "panic" so much we break our Premier League points record. I hope we continue to "panic" and increase our "panic" levels as we will clearly win the league if we continue to do so!!! OK, a bit tongue in cheek but no more outlandish than DarrenÂs assertions.
I feel grubby for biting and getting involved, but such a complete rewrite of history giving Moyes credit for MartinezÂ record last season is just silly.
The problem with those sort of posts is that it hijacks legitimate questions about players, management, and tactics. Legitimate concerns raised are always going to be ignored, and indeed "shouted down" when those who need to condemn Martinez for not being Moyes start to post these sort of outlandish and clearly incorrect statements.
I, for one, think Martinez is a great change and breath of fresh air. But, I certainly donÂt think he is beyond criticism, nor do most here. ItÂs just that when the criticism is this ridiculous it causes polar opposite camps to form and rational debate disappears.
94 Posted 10/09/2014 at 06:57:36
Most teams who play with a lone striker end up isolating him at times, but I donÂt think there has been a lot wrong with our attack so far. Except at Leicester were we stopped trying to score a third goal until they equalised, which was criminal to me.
We are a possession based team, thank god. But I think itÂs a bit far fetched to say we panic when we havenÂt got the ball though, and I will bring up the prime example of when Mr Defensive Consistencies Manchester Utd, came to Goodison last season.
Actually donÂt really care that much about The Premier League this season and will gladly concede 50 Goals and finish mid table if we can just get our hands on some silverware.
It takes time to get everything right Darren, and I know Moyes, had a good defensive record, but his teams never scored that many though. Maybe when Martinez, gets it all the way he wants we might concede less, but score a lot more? Who knows because for me he is still learning his trade as a manager, and you never stop learning in this game.
In two of Moyse's first away games we conceded six at Newcastle, and three in a victory at Derby. We also conceded six, twice on the opening day of the season at Goodison.
Moyes has gone and Martinez is now in charge. Chalk and cheese. The going the game for the sake of it has gone IMO
Because at least IÂm now getting entertained when I go to watch my team.
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