Martinez hints at Manchester United's reluctance to loan Cleverley to rival club

Arteta and Pienaar are two examples of quality young players who lost their way. Cleverley was quality at Wigan and I think he could achieve his early potential if given the chance.

We will wait and pick him up on a free at the end of the season, that's all.

On a general note on loans, last season we became the club highlighted for our loans and how it had helped us take a step up. This wouldn't have gone unnoticed by other clubs so no surprised the loans have been reduced with only chelski playing, but no surprise there with there new policy to get round fair play. Buy cheaper, play/loan out and sell for a profit.

I'm guessing they just couldn't get the money they wanted from us. Aston Villa had already offered a lot.

There’ll be a niggle at the back of Woodward’s mind about the Fellaini / Baines affair and there’ll be more than a niggle in the back of Bill’s mind about Ferguson’s book. As much as Bill makes me despair, he had the buggers over a barrel and must quietly think to himself, "He who laughs last ..."

As to Cleverly, it strikes me he’s one of the arm-around-the-shoulder players and Don Roberto is the type who will and did get the best out of him.

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In the end they had no choice but to loan him on deadline day as no other club was willing to shell out ٦m for him, or whatever the price was.

I for one am over the moon we didn't get him as he's completely average and wouldn't increase the quality of the squad. We've just spent the last year clearing out a ton of deadwood in the squad, it's too soon to start adding more.

Also, how many midfielders do we need ffs?? We have; Barry, Besic, McCarthy, Gibbo, Pienaar, Osman, Barkley, McGeady, Mirallas and even Oviedo can do a job in midfield. So that's at least TEN! IF we're going to sign another one, at least make it a quality creative attacking midfielder who can open up defences, not another average body just to 'beef up the squad'. If 10 still isn't enough(!), then give some of the youngsters a few mins here and there.

I feel quite strongly here. I just don't rate Cleverly at all and feel we dodged a bullet.

Not the smartest idea

How refreshing from the days of Ferguson loaning us his cast-offs with patronising remarks.

Our season starts tomorrow. We now need a run of results to get us in and around the top 6.

I don't see a future for Tom at our club, but I wouldn't call him a poor player, the lad has obvious talent.

And as for all the people here getting on Osman's back, have you all forgotten his loyal service for the club? Have you all forgotten the great goals and assists he provided? You know it wasn't so long ago that most people here said he fully deserved his England call up and that it was long overdue, and he shall have many more to come!
Sigh... some people seem to lose all sense of perspective.

Me personally, I donÂ’t get it myself. What IÂ’ve seen of him, I honestly donÂ’t rate him. But, to be honest, I havenÂ’t seen that much. IÂ’ll bet thereÂ’s fans of other clubs who love Osman but he gets his fair share of criticism on this site and god knows why.

But, as myself and many before have said: ItÂ’s all about opinions!

With "fans" like that, who needs the fans of your opposition?!

And a 35-year-old Everton player went over to his own fans last season offering someone out over Twitter "Bantz".

Just saying like.

So I wouldn't lose any sleep if I was Cleverley, Ferguson seemed to think he was decent and Martinez obviously does.

I'm confident he will join us, on a free, in the summer.