The 20-year-old appeared to roll his ankle as he came down from an aerial challenge in the Manchester United area with the Blues desperately chasing an equaliser and had to be stretchered off the field with suspected ligament damage.
"It is a problem with his ankle," Martinez said after the match. "It is such a massive blow because he plays with an incredible arrogance and a great maturity and is a very good young player and is going to be a top player. We will assess him in the next 48 hours.
"We need to get the medical department to assess it but it will be at least a few weeks. I don't expect John to be fully fit for next week."
That would mean the defender's withdrawal from the England squad for the upcoming Euro2016 qualifiers and force Martinez to once more deal with the loss of a vital part of his first-choice team.
Stones's injury comes at a time when Kevin Mirallas is already sidelined with a hamstring tear and in a match that was already missing the talents of Seamus Coleman, James McCarthy — both players failed late fitness tests on hamstring and thigh injuries respectively — and Ross Barkley.
Steven Pienaar's return from a seven-match layoff was also cut short by the recurrence of his niggling injury problems, the South African hobbling off with a little over an hour played.
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1 Posted 05/10/2014 at 16:51:28
2 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:04:55
4 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:14:11
5 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:18:45
Cracking footballer is Bryan.
6 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:18:47
If things don’t turn around quickly some of our star players will be tempted away in the summer.
7 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:21:39
It's because we are fucking shite mate.
This season we still have no plan B.
Our corner kicks are pathetic, never any variety, no movement, even Ronnie Goodlass touched on it.
Martinez much like Moyes will not try another formation, he rigidly sticks with the same two defensive midfielders who offer nothing whatsoever in terms of creativity.
He needed to rectify this, there were players like Gylfi Syguardsson available in the summer, creative players with a brain, ok Barkley got injured but teams don't just have one attacking central midfielder.
It was a total lack of preparation and we are now seeing the results.
Its ok everyone saying we have this big squad but we are finding out now that when players get injured we are short on genuine quality players that offer a variety.
We play two defensive midfielders but continuously concede goals.
8 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:25:48
Just calm down. We have been here before. Time is a great healer and we will survive and be stronger for it. If all else fails Jim, then just get drunk (that’s if you are old enough and of course if you drink). Just chill fella. It ain’t that bad.
10 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:33:05
Too many players have no competition for places or are simply past it and should be moved on or replaced. The lack of creativity, drive and pace from the centre is a real concern as are some of the signings.
11 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:43:28
Tim Howard has been a liability for five years, whilst I was proud an Evertonian played so well during the World Cup, part of me cringed at the prospect that these kind of performances would be prolonging his time as Everton's No 1.
I think Roberto is deluded if he thinks the depth in this squad is sufficient to rotate like he has; for the first time in a long time, the numbers are there. However the quality is not. Too much loyalty is being shown to the old guard who were very average in their prime but are now woeful.
Mourinho is laughing his head off at getting 㿈M for Lukaku... Emile Heskey, anyone??? Strong, big, scores goals without having an amazing record. Had fantastic potential at 21 years old but ultimately never fulfilled it. His first touch is poor, his hold-up play even worse and his work rate is disgusting.
Joel, Howard, Hibbert (played bit better today but doesn't have the quality), Alcaraz, Distin, McGeady, Osman are no longer or not good enough for us. I have serious concerns over Atsu, Gibson and Kone as well. This is half our squad!!!!
Why aren't we playing a settled team every week and changing players when injured or suspended? We are rotating players that have not even achieved match fitness, absolutely scandulous from Roberto.
Last season, Roberto added the attacking flair and expression we had cried out for for years under Moyes, built on Moyes's solid defensive principals. Now I worry we have gone too far the other way with Roberto's philosophies. I would still rather have the excitement and entertainment than that what used to frustrate me under Moyes; however, striking the balance has to be achieved and fast.
Let's get Coleman, Stones, Mirallas, Barkley, and McCarthy fit and on the same pitch and hopefully Jagielka and Lukaku back on some kind of form. Then we may enter a key stage of the season fit, hungry and full of energy.
12 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:43:21
"We could have had Welbeck and Ba for a combined cheaper option"
Posted 02/06/2014 at 19:43:46
"Don't want Ba, he is average and too lumbering.
Don't want Welbeck...again seen him playing on Friday for England and again, like every time I see him I make the same judgement...he is no more than a hyped up Marcus Bent, full of pace and running but doesn't ever look like hitting a cow's area with a banjo"
13 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:23:34
McGeady's nowhere near good enough would any of the top four clubs have him anywhere near their teams? No!
On a positive, I thought Besic showed some quality and energy could be a decent player for us.
14 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:49:21
Yes we looked shit but, if not for three world class saves by De Gea, we could have actually won despite all the injuries and fatigue and then everyone would be singing a different tune.
15 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:46:56
16 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:52:02
Without being disrespectful, what a silly thing to say. If they are injured, they are injured Â– what we need to do is find a way to win with the XI that are available. Unless you have some kind of magic wand that will heal them all somehow?
17 Posted 05/10/2014 at 17:54:09
Must be at least a month though depending on how damaged those ligaments are. One thing’s for sure, he’ll have one very obese ankle tonight.
18 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:04:10
19 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:09:04
20 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:04:54
21 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:39:52
22 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:47:07
I harped on all Summer about not spending all our dosh on Lukaku as we needed more depth in other positions and sadly this injury crisis has highlighted that scarcity.
When it rains it pours.
23 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:47:47
24 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:51:53
25 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:51:52
The thing that sticks in my throat are the two games we should have had three points from... Leicester and Arsenal. It is these failings that are costing us dearly as some of the discussions on here that have occurred over the last two days or so wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be as panic-stricken over today's result. We would be on 10 points and that would only have been 1 behind 4th place.
I appreciate that these are all ifs and buts but look at last year... The first three games... Whilst at present we are not up to the standards we reached last year, I firmly believe that this WILL come and we will start to overcome this mini crisis.
In a nutshell I suppose what I am getting at is don't panic! We will come good again. Besic learning the league and looking very very good today.
26 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:56:40
27 Posted 05/10/2014 at 19:10:07
28 Posted 05/10/2014 at 18:49:28
Reality is every fucking year Everton get a trial shitload of injuries and we never have the necessary quality to come in and do a good job and deputise.
We knew we were in Europe this season yet started the season with just four central defenders and three of those were over 31, one with a woeful injury record, another 37. He had also been too loyal to Tim Howard, the fella knows he is undroppable.
The striking options are virtually nil, Naismith is showing Lukaku up. Lukaku knows he has no real competition for his place. Eto'o is no longer a 90-minute, two-games-a-week player and Naismith not an out-and-out striker.
We spend years hyping up the likes of Conor McAleney, well my question is: Where the hell is he? Is he good enough? If not, then why's he still here?
And what the hell is happening regarding Arouna Kone, fuck knows, a whole year out with a knee injury isn't it? Didn't somebody say Pienaar is now injured again too???
29 Posted 05/10/2014 at 19:24:05
30 Posted 05/10/2014 at 19:26:02
I hope Stones isn't out as long as Lukaku was when he went over on his ankle. A few weeks always seems to be about 2 months at this club.
32 Posted 05/10/2014 at 19:35:14
We were literally playing with 9 men today, Pienaar was an embarrassment. Even Hibbo looked skilful beside him!
Just so pisses me off that we have so many injuries ALL the time. All our best attacking players are out. Mirallas, Barkley and Coleman! Wonder how Man Utd would've faired today without Di Maria, Falcao and Co?
34 Posted 05/10/2014 at 19:47:58
Fact is that the manager found something more important to do in the summer than prepare his team and has been found clueless in arresting the slide that created.
Today he was Â– as usual Â– happy with the performance, only regretting that we hadn't got a result. But don't you dare criticise for he's a lovely fella!
35 Posted 05/10/2014 at 19:15:03
Have we really got fans who think like this? Try supporting the team, Jim. Nothing is won in October. We need to stay in the chase for silverware and hope we get a chance to field our strongest 11 for a few games... because that hasn't happened once this season.
Oh, we need to talk about Tim Howard, though.
36 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:06:25
37 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:12:27
Problem is and I agree with some of the above comments, we could've strengthened the rest of squad with that cash.
38 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:13:02
39 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:17:15
40 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:18:32
41 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:23:26
He's had a right fall out with a senior player recently.
He needs to say publicly when we are shit though, I will give you that, as we are not the sort of fans who need hiding from the truth.
42 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:20:00
If we don't take maximum points from the next two games then I will share your pessimism. I'm hoping that we have hit our nadir in terms of poor form and the season will begin to turn around with an improvement in results. Goodison will be a cauldron against Villa and the manager and players need our backing and support. COYB
43 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:30:05
44 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:24:12
45 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:31:47
46 Posted 05/10/2014 at 20:35:47
Got to get it sorted now with Stones out though. How Everton would it be for Jags to pick up an injury on England duty though, so we're left with Alcaraz and Distin?
I'd play Besic in the middle of a three man centre defence by the way.
47 Posted 05/10/2014 at 21:12:40
48 Posted 05/10/2014 at 21:15:23
Our only plan (if in fact we can call it a plan) is for Naismith to wrestle with a defender on the goalline.
49 Posted 05/10/2014 at 21:24:47
0:26 - I think in the first half we were... [long pause - trying to UTTER SHITE in a positive way - then avoids altogether] Took a little bit to get into the game...
50 Posted 05/10/2014 at 21:44:10
Roberto had a dream, it was to make us all fucking scream..
We're shit at the back, piss weak in attack...
Walter Smith's Everton is on its way back der der der der
54 Posted 05/10/2014 at 22:38:53
At least if the rest of the season goes shitter we know we have a ready made chant in the waiting hahaha..
55 Posted 05/10/2014 at 22:25:48
I was quite pleased with Besic, I thought he did ok.
A good cross from Baines and superb headed goal from Naismith and those two exellent saves near the end, if only hey. If they would have showed the same urgency that they showed in the last 10 minutes throughout the whole of the second half, we could have won it. I havenÂt seen one team so far that as been head and heels over us. We just make them look that much better.
I canÂt be arsed saying anything about Roberto or Lukaku and I think you know my feelings about those two; itÂs getting quite boring now. It could be the same script no matter who we play...
56 Posted 05/10/2014 at 23:39:30
Tim Howard?? That second goal just gets worse every time you see it mate, what the fuck were you doing?
Why would you keep the ball in play knowing as the ggoalkeeper you are stranded by the corner flag? It put totally unnecessary pressure on us thus resulting in Falcao's goal.
The fella is Richard Wright reincarnated
57 Posted 05/10/2014 at 23:48:51
I agree with you about Jelly, I would have kept him. At least he got around the pitch. He wasnÂt a muscle bound lazy twat.
58 Posted 06/10/2014 at 03:34:23
Look at the fixture list. A similar scenario is developing, just at the very beginning of the season rather than the middle. It's so Everton what we're doing and I'm not happy about it obviously, but Barkley's return is gonna ignite Rom and we're gonna start crushing people soon enough.
59 Posted 06/10/2014 at 03:46:12
The Emile Heskey comparisons are beyond asinine. His best Premier League season he had 14 goals. Lukaku has already beaten that mark in each of his first two seasons at age 21. And that career best year for Heskey was anomaly, as his goals-to-game ratio is a shade under 1 in 5 for his joke of a career in front of goal. Fuck outta here with that shit.
Form is temporary and class is permanent. Steven Naismith will begin to fade and regress to the mean. Lukaku will begin to bang them in because he's the best forward on our team. Just because he cost a lot and isn't having the best time right now doesn't make that any less true.
60 Posted 06/10/2014 at 06:26:06
62 Posted 06/10/2014 at 09:11:39
A striker is only as good as his service??
Why was it Naismith on the end of the fine cross from Baines then with a fantastic centre-forward's header? Did anyone even see where Lukaku was when that beauty of a ball was floated in??? No, me neither.
The fact is Naismith scored because he WANTS to get in to scoring positions, he drags himself and the team into the game with his never-say-die attitude; Lukaku simply does not lead the line like a striker with his sheer physique.
The size of Lukaku, it's embarrassing to never see him get his body between man and ball; for Christ's sake, even Victor Anichebe could utilize his body strength on a more consistent basis and he was erratic at best. Lukaku's control is also appalling, it doesn't even look like something he is even working on at present because it gets worse by the week.
But there's one thing you just can't coach and that's the passion side of it. Steven Naismith may be limited, actually I think he's a far better footballer than we all thought when Moyes wasted his first year on the wing, but one thing what Naismith gives you is passion and a guaranteed 110 percent hard running and workrate every week.
I can understand, Paul, that you want to be positive, but I'm a realist: there's no way on earth we are going to be putting a winning run together the way we're playing. Don't forget you're going to have a back five now that includes Distin and Howard, two serial mistake offenders.
Even Aston Villa at home won't be easy, Agbonlahor, Benteke, Delph, N'Zogbia, running at our back line?
I'm sorry, the best we can hope for this season is around mid-table, if your expectations are for us to challenge the top 4-5 again you're only going to be let down.
63 Posted 06/10/2014 at 09:26:38
It makes you wonder though what Big Dunc is making of Lukaku's currently meek attempts at leading the line??
64 Posted 06/10/2014 at 09:26:48
Although Naismith's work rate cannot be faulted; one of the reasons he finds space is because the opposition is busy worrying about Lukaku.
And can we put this shite to bed about spending all our cash on Lukaku; he's been bought on a payment plan and for the same money we offloaded Fellaini. The rest of the cash from the new PL deal et al; well it's anyone's fucking guess where that's gone.
65 Posted 06/10/2014 at 10:03:33
If only they both had Naismith's attitude... If only half the team had Naismith's attitude.
66 Posted 06/10/2014 at 10:17:43
I very much doubt too many teams' defences are having sleepless nights "worrying" about Lukaku at present.
Don't get me wrong here: any striker in the world can have a run of poor form but the one thing you can't lose, you must not lose, is your willingness to work, and to make sure the opposition defence has as hard a time as possible.
Can we really say Lukaku is doing that st present?
Okay, I'm hearing he has been carrying a toe injury... well, that's down to Martinez: if he was really not up to playing, he wouldn't be out there, would he?
He has to start being that Number 9. He has to start using his strength to lead the line.
67 Posted 06/10/2014 at 10:15:05
I have said it before... we are NOT Wigan. Relegation is not an option for our club, and we must not let the Wigan gang get us relegated, while Martinez treats the fans like mushrooms, and sits there taking the positives from every shambles we witness with our own eyes.
As a bare minimum, we need a proven defensive coach, and an experienced first team coach/tactical maestro.
Get shut of Ferguson as coach... he needs to learn his trade at a smaller club, NOT at a Premier League club.
68 Posted 06/10/2014 at 10:00:21
At the moment, we have an injury-hit squad which just doesn't have the quality in depth to cope. Coupled with this the squad rotation for the cup games and it is leaving us without a settled line up for the team to gel.
Like Liam said, the Lukaku deal is on the drip and there should have been more money available to strengthen the squad. We knew what the fixture list was going to be and we also know at some point that we would pick up injuries so a squad should have been assembled to cater for this.
On the subject of Lukaku, there is good player in there but at the minute I get the feeling the 㿈m price tag is weighing him down. The team aren't playing well behind him and it's got to be affecting his game.
69 Posted 06/10/2014 at 10:53:19
Howard has no competition, but that's saying something when I still feel a lot safer with Howard between the sticks than Robles.
Allowing for injuries, I doubt any Evertonian would have thought our defence would be our main worry this season but it's all over the place. Say what you like about OFM he had that defence and midfield as tight as a nun's crotch.
70 Posted 06/10/2014 at 11:13:14
71 Posted 06/10/2014 at 11:20:29
I did hear a rumour that Kone had been abducted and taken to a remote planet called Croctforgud, although as you say the search will be on-going.
Okay, let's take a look at the start of the season.
We have played seven league games, yes? If I can put any kind of positive spin on this start we have endured, then four of the games have been against so-called "top sides"
Our next four games are Aston Villa, Burnley, Swansea and Sunderland... Okay? I am willing to see how we go in these games before making further judgement because the way we are at present then it should be games of this ilk that we need to judge ourselves on.
I am a firm believer in "one game at a time" but surely looking at the wider spectacle then you have to say we badly need a minimum of 10 points from those four matches, yes?
Failure to win at the very least two of these and then I think we can only expect more criticism to come the way of the staff and players, it's a fact of life.
We haven't defended well, we haven't kept clean sheets, we look pretty poor all over. These next four matches have to give the fans some hope back.
72 Posted 06/10/2014 at 11:45:12
You should for your own sanity, and to a lesser extent the sanity of other posters, do what you advocate and take it one game at a time: We now have twelve days before Everton's next fixture and perhaps you should take some time out and abstain from posting for a couple of hours.
Yes, Everton FC is an important element in all Blues' lives but it shouldn't be our sole reason for living. I bet half the people who work for the club don't display as much passion or anxiousness that you do on occasion; perhaps they should.
Remember Everton FC will still be there a long time after we have left the planet and Kone will probably still be on the payroll having been unable to regain fitness for a decade or two.
Football is just another business that happens to be popular and it should be treated for what it is, entertainment, just like X-Factor, Celebrity Come Dancing and all of the other popular pastimes similar in nature, it should not and does not deserve to be treated too seriously.
73 Posted 06/10/2014 at 12:00:06
We were told Martinez would look to youngsters when he came in and so far he has only really utilised one (Stones) that was not playing before he arrived. Be nice to see one or two more given a shot.
74 Posted 06/10/2014 at 12:28:49
75 Posted 06/10/2014 at 12:26:52
I know all sides have injuries, it's part of the game, but not to so many key players and ours are never out for "a few weeks", they do it in style and are out for months!
I was totally fed up with them yesterday but have told myself off and I think looking at the games the one I feel let us down most was losing to Palace. Like last season, they are a bogey team.
For Villa we are likely to have at least Coleman and McCarthy back which will give everyone a lift. The players must feel cursed as well. I haven't got a clue what's going on with Kone. On a positive note the report in today's Independent gives huge praise to Osman and baby Bryan who lifted proceedings when they came on. Hibbert also praised.
Onwards and upwards Â– I'll take a top half finish and a cup please, Roberto!
76 Posted 06/10/2014 at 12:48:34
77 Posted 06/10/2014 at 12:17:06
Accepting that the club is suffering from a truly unfortunate spate of injuries to the likes of Barkley, Mirallas, Coleman, Stones etc, in the wider context we are told that the club is seriously stretched financially. Could we have a competition to try and arrive at a figure for the combined weekly salaries of the likes of Gibson, Kone, Alcaraz, Pienaar etc? (𧵎,000 for starters?) Some of whom in any other walk of life would be deemed simply "unfit for purpose"' and moved on or out. Some appear incapable of effectively coping with the physical demands of the game. This is certainly the case with the former and appearing to be increasingly so with the latter. The Lord knows what we are to make of Kone.
Then we give a 3-year contract to a 33-year-old and extensions to loyal but limited elder statesmen such as Hibbert. Then we have a 㿈 million pound investment in a guy who seemingly cannot do the footballer equivalent of a joiner's essential ability of being able to knock a nail in straight!
While he has many qualities to admire, such as his industry, the one-dimensional play of McCarthy should not have cost the club the reported 㾻 million pounds. The world is awash with goalkeepers and wide players and yet we actively recruit limited players such as Robles, McGeady and Atsu.
Who is actually responsible for this ludicrous state of affairs? Are we saying that there are really no young lads capable of performing more reliably and effectively than the likes of Gibson and Pienaar? How can we be suddenly carrying so many so-called essential members of the team/squad who are so "advanced in years"? Planning?? When and why did people have to start questioning the physical condition/conditioning of players? Are certain things not accepted as being "taken as read"?
An old friend who actually won the old First Division title many years ago recently said to me that "to succeed in the game today, it seems that one simply has to be able to pass the ball backwards and sideways". If this is the case, we seem to be watching a very successful team at the moment!
If 35,000 people can see how easy it would be to set up a team against Everton, how can these dreadfully overpaid personnel not see it? Those responsible, at board level, management level, at so-called levels of coaching and physical conditioning, and for inculcating a genuine professional approach to their responsibilities on the part of those who take to the field, should be made fully aware that, as things stand, it is simply unacceptable.
And could we please put an end to the psycho-babble that pervades so much current football-speak such as "tiredness"; "he is only 21 and has not yet learnt to trap a ball, control it, play it etc"; "pressure", and the 1001 other examples that infect so much discussion from every quarter?
Sorry. Rant over!
79 Posted 06/10/2014 at 13:45:17
Martinez has fallen on his feet at EFC. We began to crumble about March last year and itÂs just got worse ever since.
We sit back and let Martinez keep us in the dark and feed us shit,and do not hold him to account for his actions, or lack of. If he does not buck up soon, we need to start a campaign to hound him and his pie eating pals out of our club, before itÂs too late.
We MUST NOT let him do to us us what he did to WIGAN. BK wonÂt start to cack himself till itÂs too late...
We have been crap since April so he has had time to get it sorted.
80 Posted 06/10/2014 at 14:19:21
81 Posted 06/10/2014 at 14:21:22
82 Posted 06/10/2014 at 14:26:34
83 Posted 06/10/2014 at 14:27:24
In Kone's instance, it's "the art of playing without playing". Our striking options are a joke and, without Naismith's contributions this season, our stats would look even worse.
84 Posted 06/10/2014 at 15:07:27
Martinez needs to stop sugar coating everything and lay things on the line; it seems to me that Lukaku doesn't seem to want to play for the shirt he's wearing, whereas the polar opposite to that is Naismith.
85 Posted 06/10/2014 at 15:18:06
There haven’t been any oversights at the club regarding this: it’s our operating plan. The plan has failed, temporarily I hope, because of injuries to the younger, more gifted players.
86 Posted 06/10/2014 at 15:16:56
Luckily it has shown that we do have a couple of quality kids who are at least getting a chance in the team. Just look at the players that Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd and Liverpool have. We feel every injury as we do not have cover of the top quality needed to compete. From our little squad we have Barkley, Kone, Mirallas and now Stones out injured.
Every other top team have similar injuries but no-one even notices. Money rules and I think we will finish top ten, perhaps have really good runs in cup competitions and that is all I see for us at present.
I wrote at the start of the season that by the end of September we will know where we stand as we have been short of numbers since day one. We were told 6 or 7 additions to the squad but instead we have just replaced players who have left us.
87 Posted 06/10/2014 at 15:58:44
88 Posted 06/10/2014 at 16:49:29
I'm prepared to wait and see how things pan out after the International break in terms of results.
I really think Tim should be dropped for a while now.
If, by mid-November, Everton are not at least in the top half of the table, something drastic needs to be changed.
90 Posted 06/10/2014 at 15:14:28
"Gibson, Kone, Alcaraz, Pienaar....in any other walk of life would be deemed simply "unfit for purpose"' and moved on or out"
So anyone who suffers a serious injury, instead of receiving support and rehabilitation, should be told to 'grab your socks and drop your cocks'? Stand up (on your smashed to shit ankle/knee/whatever) or ship out?
The problem I have with that attitude is, beyond being a footballer contracted to the club for certain duration of time, you're also talking about human beings who, through no fault of their own, have had their careers brought to a stuttering halt simply through doing that which they were being paid to do: play football.
You can't just say "Tough luck old chap. You tried your best out there and it's bloody unfortunate that you're now left loosely dragging your right foot behind you like the bad guy in Dirty Harry but, at the end of the day, damaged goods weren't part of the deal. Now get your coat and fuck off you quasi-cripple."
You brought up a play on a Bruce Lee quote in connection with Kone: "the art of playing without playing." Beyond the fact that doesn't even make sense in this instance, I'll trade you another qoute from the Little Dragon:
"All martial arts is simply an honest expression of one's body Â– with a lot of deception in-between."
If Kone's body has not sufficiently recovered and the risk of a setback is still there, then how is he supposed to even contemplate a comeback? You talk as though this man is a work-shy fraudster leeching off the club and making little to no effort to get back into prime physical condition. You think the medical staff at any football club would countenance that?
He and his injury will be under constant scrutiny, with his rehabilitation carefully planned out. The fact it's not plain sailing and the human body sometimes refuses to stick to a fucking schedule, doesn't mean there's some deception at play on Kone's part. Ask any footballer and the thing they hate more than anything is sitting on the sidelines.
Everton have had many injury-prone players during my time supporting the club. Players who missed more games than they played. Players whose careers were a virtual write-off by the time they left the club. Never have I known one to receive the vitriol and unwarranted accusations of taking the piss like Kone has since he got crocked. I've got to ask 'Why'?
Here's another qoute:
"Memorizing and regurgitating Bruce Lee's words does not increase one's intelligence. However, adapting his thoughts for one's own actions gives life to his words".
Bruce Lee's bird.
"While he has many qualities to admire, such as his industry, the one-dimensional play of McCarthy should not have cost the club the reported 㾻 million pounds."
According to who? You? Firstly, the fee was 㾹M. Secondly, although many were indeed saying that fee was too much when he first signed, they changed their tune completely come the culmination of last season. After Coleman, McCarthy was our best player by far. Although he may have started sluggish this time out, that doesn't automatically mean his value, in monetary terms or to the team, has diminished as rapidly as the ebbing faith of fickle fans.
You may say he's one-dimensional, others may simply suggest he concentrates on what he's good at and sticks to fulfilling the very explicit role he is asked to perform by the manager. A role that, incidentally, allows the team to function around him and concentrate on their task without worrying who is going to mop up behind them.
I said earlier McCarthy was second only to Coleman in terms of form and effectiveness last season. Well, remove McCarthy from the equation and Coleman would not have had anywhere near the freedom to reach such heights. Without McCarthy coming across and filling in when his compatriot went firing forward, Seamus would have had to cut down his attacking charges or risk seeing Everton's right flank become more wide open than Whitney Houston's bum hole after Bobby Brown asked her to 'pack a few things'.
As Columbo, that dishevelled, dirty-macced little detective with the dodgy eye, always said to the suspect he'd sussed as the culprit mere minutes after the opening credits but had to kid on he didn't have a clue about for a further 45 fucking minutes simply to pad the show out: "Just one more thing, sir":
When did stating someone's age ('he is only 21') and suggesting they have scope for improvement, due to the many years and associated experiences ahead, become 'psycho-babble'?
"I'm only 21 though, Doc".
"'Ho, ho, ho. Dearie, dearie me. We really aren't getting any better are we? Hmmm? You're not 21 dear. No, no, no. You're really not. In actuality, you're a fucking ancient arl crone and your friends and family have had you sequestered into my care in a last-ditch attempt to stop you from embarrassing all and sundry with your sordid, serial, strumpeting about town with strapping young men who were nothing but strong swimming sperm when you were already approaching your sixties. So, I'll ask you once again: Why must you continue to live, LuLu?"
Lukaku IS 21. There's no getting around that. He WILL improve certain aspects of his game as he gets older. It's impossible for him not to get better at certain actions the more he practices and performs them. There's no smoke and mirrors or mind massaging going on when someone says that. Nor is it a nauseatingly half-arsed pardon for poor form, as you imply. It's not an excuse, it's simply a statement of fact.
91 Posted 06/10/2014 at 17:27:40
This international break may be a godsend to the Blues who now have some time to get key players fit again before they face Villa. Losing Stones is tempered by the fact that they have Alcaraz and Distin to fill in.
The points tally is not that much that they cannot rise in the table quickly with two or three wins but it seems no-one will match Chelski this season.
93 Posted 06/10/2014 at 18:18:44
Just add 'BITCH!' on the end and it sounds like a plan formulated by fucking Jessie from Breaking Bad. About as well thought-out as something he'd come up with whilst mashed off his tits on meth as well.
94 Posted 06/10/2014 at 18:44:56
95 Posted 06/10/2014 at 20:19:29
I see other sites have the Distin story running now that we talked of yesterday.
96 Posted 06/10/2014 at 20:24:46
97 Posted 06/10/2014 at 20:40:10
99 Posted 06/10/2014 at 21:04:26
100 Posted 06/10/2014 at 20:44:02
His history speaks for itself and, no matter how you may load your case with references to a somewhat cold-hearted analogy, the fact is that these guys are not in fact sent out on the streets Â– you are aware that this particular player has been paid somewhere in the region of ٟ million a year for the last few years? It is not heartless to in fact say to an employee that you indeed seem incapable of providing what we need and so (to coin a phrase) "sadly we have to let you go" provided all the ethical demands have been fulfilled by the employer.
You seem to put great store in the thorough overseeing of the various aspects of rehabilitation Â– a simple query would be that, in the case of Kone, I seem to recall he was "on the bench" in a recent game and so have to ask what was he doing there if he is not deemed capable of playing in any part of the game?
I certainly do take your points regarding McCarthy's contributions, especially last season, and his impact on certain aspects of the team but I still maintain that, whatever the true millions spent Â– be it 㾹M or 㾻M Â– it is an awful lot to pay for a lad who is undoubtedly fit and works hard but are we seriously saying that we cannot find such for less?
With reference too the oft expressed mention of Lukaku's age, I would still maintain that there is something fundamentally flawed in the system if he can reach "the top" without some of the very important basics such as controlling the ball, passing it under pressure etc. Mind you... Phil Neville managed it!
Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that it was not me and Bruce Lee!
101 Posted 06/10/2014 at 21:39:23
Age has not got a great deal to do with Lukaku’s dismal form. There is a great column in the Echo tonight about where Lukaku is going badly wrong at present and, to be fair, they hit the nail on the head: he’s playing on the periphery of every game lately.
You can’t keep blaming service. There is such a thing as dragging yourself into the game, much like Naismith does; it’s not called "leading from the front" for nothing.
A big strong lad like Lukaku should be chasing down defenders and making his presence felt, has he ever stopped to think it may actually inspire his team-mates to see their big striker leading by example basically saying "Come on, that’s what the rest of you have gotta fucking do!"
He’s too lazy and frankly isn’t putting himself in a position where he can be our main threat. Naismith is showing him up.
102 Posted 06/10/2014 at 22:36:54
103 Posted 06/10/2014 at 22:37:29
ToffeeWeb has Jim 'on point' Bennings.
Jim flicks on Sky Sports to see which player is making the difference in the latest Premier League fixture to be played. As the scorers name starts to sink in, Jim slowly starts to seethe: "Right, what I want to know is why didn't the club legally adopt that Yaya Toure 25 years ago when he finished kindergarten? We could've enticed him away from his parents with a pouch of magic beans, bundled him in the boot of a car and smuggled him through customs in a Captain Caveman costume, instead of spending a shitload on Lukaku a quarter of a century later. Pisses me right off it does. He could've been playing for us now if the people at the top showed some smart pre-planning and let Lionel Hutz loose on the paperwork. Oh, wait on, he's just scored an own goal. Don't know what anyone sees in that dozy daddy long legs twat. Always said I wouldn't take him if he was free. Absolute waste of space he is. Shite. Utter, utter, shite".
[Picks up remote and switches channel]
"That bird who plays Cilla Black is bloody brilliant. Best actress in the world, this week. Little cracker she is. She could've played Michael Corleone's daughter in The Godfather Part III, if that Francis Ford Coppola wasn't such a nepotistic nobhead....and she was born in a different country, many, many years earlier etc etc"
104 Posted 06/10/2014 at 22:50:01
Has Kone got a clause in his contract like Thomas Myhre? If Kone plays ten games for Everton, we have to stump up another ten grand.
Still embarrassing Myhre getting dropped one short of appearances where we had to stump up a little extra for reaching so many appearances.
105 Posted 06/10/2014 at 22:53:49
106 Posted 06/10/2014 at 23:04:17
Ironically we should have had a point out of the United game which would have been a good result. We don't seem to have the intelligence or ability to grind out results, though. All Howard had to do was put that ball out of play and that 2nd goal would never have happened. We were on top at the time and its these errors that are continually costing us dear. Howard needs to be replaced in January simple as that.
My biggest concern is that, in order to get anything out of a game, we now have to score at least 3 under Martinez because we are conceding at an alarming rate.
107 Posted 06/10/2014 at 23:15:25
On a more serious note, could someone please post these Distin links? Distin has always struck me as someone very direct, maybe too much so and I can see how 'politically correct' Bobby and he might have had a falling out with him. This is quite sad though because, other than Stones, Distin used to be the usual ball player and would play in the Martinez style.
108 Posted 06/10/2014 at 23:15:56
109 Posted 06/10/2014 at 23:35:00
110 Posted 06/10/2014 at 23:41:00
111 Posted 06/10/2014 at 23:52:40
He's been such a professional these last few seasons, I can't see him getting the hump (maybe with himself, but not the club).
112 Posted 07/10/2014 at 00:47:04
I do try and point people in the right direction, but the constant point scoring amongst TW posters sometimes gets in the way.
113 Posted 07/10/2014 at 05:57:51
We all saw how bad Naismith was when played out of position. Danny Welbeck had been complaining about this very issue while he was at Man Utd and he's far more suited to be stationed out wide than both Naismith or Lukaku. Now he's being played down the middle at Arsenal and he's banging in Champions League hat-tricks as he's playing in his preferred position and getting service.
Too often, I'm seeing Lukaku actually putting a ball into the box and drawing a corner, rather than being on the receiving end. When Barkley comes back, and finally we have someone actually looking to put the big man in on goal for once, I expect Lukaku and Everton's fortunes to change dramatically for the better.
114 Posted 07/10/2014 at 09:37:57
"Let's get Coleman, Stones, Mirallas, Barkley, and McCarthy fit and on the same pitch ..."
My comment was not meant like you have picked up on, it was to suggest that once these players return then we could enter a period of form with hopefully our strongest key players fit & fresh.
I am sure you will agree the depth in the squad is not of sufficient quality.
115 Posted 07/10/2014 at 11:31:14
If he has been told "to take some time off" they better get him back ASAP unless they play Alcaraz. Stones will be out for some time.
Re the Tony Cottee article, Lukaku plays where he is told. He is struggling in a team that is struggling and having no luck. He will fulfill his potential, you'll see.
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