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Record Profit for Everton in 2013-14
New TV deal boosts turnover

Robert Elstone: "We have every right to be confident and positive on future prospects."
Everton have announced record profits of over £28m and reduced the club's debt by more than £17m according to the club's annual report for 2013-14.
Improved performances on the pitch and a fifth-place Premier League finish boosted live TV coverage, enabling Everton to increase gate receipts by £1.9m from the previous season. Sponsorship, advertising and merchandising revenue also rose from £7.6m to £8.4m.
Turnover increased by 39% increase, thanks largely to the new TV rights deals to £120.5m while operating profit before player trading increased from 0.7m to £23m.
The profits realised on the sales of players during the Martinez's first summer as manager helped fund the transfers of the likes of Romelu Lukaku and Muhamed Besic this year.
Additional investment went into securing new, long-term contracts for Ross Barkley, John Stones and Seamus Coleman. The Club also agreed new and extended terms for Roberto Martinez, contracting him to the Club until June 2019.
The wage bill rose to £69.3m but it now comprises 58% of turnover as opposed to 74% before. The club also used the new broadcasting revenue to reduce its net debt from £45.3m in 2012-13 to £28.1m.
“The strong results for 2013-14 are a reflection of the drive, commitment and hard work of all staff at the Club," CEO Robert Elstone said. "Teamwork and clear priorities will always be fundamental to our success. And, at the most senior level in our Club, the passion and talent of our outstanding Manager fits seamlessly with the vision and dedication of our Chairman. These combined efforts, shaped by a clear strategy, will continue to be targeted exclusively on ensuring the success of the Everton first team.
“Our financial results highlight growing revenues, costs remaining under control and debt reducing, and when we combine that solid financial base with a playing squad that continues to improve and increase in value, we have every right to be confident and positive on future prospects.”
Quotes sourced from The Guardian
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3 Posted 31/10/2014 at 01:18:05
Meaning, our current business model is still weak, and unless we get more TV money and sell players, it is unlikely we will be able to invest much in buying players in the next two windows.
We have reduced our debts significantly, so thatÂs definitely a good thing. However, that might go up again, if we plan to buy players without planning to sell any, or start on plans for a new stadium.
In other words, the valuation of the club canÂt be too high, as fundamentally, we are not the most attractive asset. Phil WallingÂs note on a more conservative price is probably about right.
4 Posted 31/10/2014 at 01:48:47
What I slightly resent is Bill taking credit for it as though somehow his business acumen has worked wonders. Our minescule sponsorship and advertising deals are indicative of a frankly very mediocre financial team, in my opinion. He has appointed managers able to keep us in the Premier League without spending much... that is his main achievement for this club but I suppose he does deserve some credit for that at least.
5 Posted 31/10/2014 at 04:52:16
Gate receipts up! Hopefully will go up again with increased season tickets and Europa League run.
Sponsorship etc up .. hope they have more ideas and uplift planned for this area in the year or two ahead.
TV money up which is sustainable and as BillÂs strategy to create a steady base, investing in youth and training facilities and a family club atmosphere within – then a continued top-half finish should keep this part of the business model safe and expanding. Also will push up commercial opportunities.
Even debt down – which will reduce interest costs and the fact that debt becomes a smaller percentage of turnover and asset value then re-financing and ground activity become more affordable and credible.
Balance the uplift in player wages and bigger deals such as Rom then we shall see another movement – but the emergence of more home grown talent with values in excess of 㿀M then we have our future in our own control.
Under no circumstances would I want this stable happy situation be risked with a change of ownership – there I said it!
6 Posted 31/10/2014 at 05:16:30
We have an ideal opportunity to build our Brand in the USA – Howard and Donavon? We didnÂt do much in the Asian market when we had Li Ti and Li Wei Feng. Imagine getting into the China market with its 1.5 billion people and maybe having a link to an Asian team.
What do we do in South America? With our History and the pure footballing under Martinez, we should be out there selling merchandise across the planet... it should be the biggest earner by far. Just look at Man Utd and the big glamour clubs.
The Everton Brand. Everton the team that is synonymous with beautiful football. Once touched by the Everton Brand, there is no escape. The Everton Brand is your football way of life, your philosophy to everything that is good in football.
7 Posted 31/10/2014 at 05:43:34
I did a full analysis some years ago and pointed out the importance of EBITDA. I see they reworked the financials a little later to call it out. That for me is key. Drives spending power and the value of the business.
8 Posted 31/10/2014 at 06:25:35
That will stand us in good stead for the future.
9 Posted 31/10/2014 at 06:45:22
10 Posted 31/10/2014 at 06:53:32
11 Posted 31/10/2014 at 07:20:07
12 Posted 31/10/2014 at 07:32:10
13 Posted 31/10/2014 at 07:34:45
14 Posted 31/10/2014 at 07:41:07
The amount of posts on this site from expats and foreign fans stating the difficulty getting replica kits etc proves this. Our marketing does seem to be less than ideal.
15 Posted 31/10/2014 at 07:39:06
We know the clubs with a high profile in the Premier League and we are not one of them. If sponsorship is linked to media coverage, we are way way down the league.
Liverpool have the highest profile in the city, the usual top 4 have it nationally and I donÂt think a wee run in the Europa League will have legions of fans abroad buying our stuff.
I remember a period (and it may be still going on) when everyone from the club speaking to the media referred to us as massive. Well sadly that message hasnÂt been picked up and I think we are still viewed as punching above our weight and having that "good old Goodison Park". If I wasnÂt a fan, I doubt IÂd spend my marketing budget on that.
To improve profile we need to win the Europa League, Premier League or have a run in the Champions League. Until then, it seems to me our financial results are pretty good.
16 Posted 31/10/2014 at 07:52:02
ItÂs all good and well the TV money, and the tiny increase in gate receipts, but as long as our commercial dept is so weak and pathetic we will always struggle to keep up with the big boys.
I firmly believe in youth development but, if we could buy 1-2 class players a season, we could/would be title contenders.
17 Posted 31/10/2014 at 07:56:32
Even the biggest clubs – financially – struggle. The likes of Real Madrid and Man Utd carry enormous debts, even considering their global markets.
Now hereÂs Everton, a small club in many ways, certainly when measured against the likes of Madrid. We now have a debt of less than 㿀m, with wages as a proportion of turnover reducing. We are in a good position, in every way, considering our size.
But clearly Bill is laughing maniacally as he plots our downfall, unsatisfied until we have failed completely. Well thatÂs what some of you seem to think... Ridiculous.
18 Posted 31/10/2014 at 08:31:50
Playing at Lille in blank shirts (whilst nice aesthetically), was a wasted opportunity financially. ItÂs not like the powers-that-be couldnÂt have seen this happening. All they have to do is negotiate a deal with Chang that allows us to have a secondary sponsor when Chang arenÂt suitable.
I always thought Spurs idea of having different shirt sponsorship for Premier League and European matches was an interesting one.
19 Posted 31/10/2014 at 08:44:09
I tried to buy tickets for Swansea this weekend for me & the lad; only adult prices available in main stand and, guess what, obstructed view! So thatÂs a 㿸 hole in next yearÂs finances!
20 Posted 31/10/2014 at 08:27:54
We can take pride in history but nobody wants to buy it off us, and most brands (with money to spend at least) want to be associated with "New!!" – rather than "Traditional", "Historical", "Osman" etc.
21 Posted 31/10/2014 at 08:38:27
Our marketing is crap, prices for tickets go up and we constantly sell more players than we buy, usually the better ones, which means we NEVER win anything.
Our ground is still falling to pieces and people on here ramble on about staying in the Premier League and finishing in the top half... Big fucken deal.
What a charter for mediocrity our great club is living under. WeÂve been treading water like this for a whole generation now.
22 Posted 31/10/2014 at 09:01:09
Large shirt deals and massive sponsorship deals just wonÂt happen short term as the club just doesnÂt hold any standing on the global market; this can only be changed if we win competitions or regular entry in to the Champions League, and fans comparing us to the other top 5 commercial teams are deluded to think otherwise.
Next year will see a drop in profits from this figure with player acquisition and larger contracts offered to current players but it should still come in around 㾻/20m profit if we finish in the top 6. I would like us to reduce debt by a further 50% with moderate spend on new players and naturally no major exits.
If managed well and we donÂt start overspending on players, then this could be the basis of a sold future commercially. My only small concern is do we trigger high penalty clauses if we try to pay the debt off quicker? This may detract the board from paying it off and make them spend more on the playing side; as a business, we should avoid this, but as a fan, you always want it.
23 Posted 31/10/2014 at 08:56:18
The fact is, our board have not invested a single penny of their own money beyond their original shareholding.
They have been incredibly lucky with the money received for Rooney, Lescott, Rodwell, Arteta and Fellaini - those sales have injected desperately needed cash into the club, or we may have been playing in the lower divisions as we speak. You could give the board credit for the sales, if you want to look at it that way.
If the TV money had not increased so significantly, we would still be paying double-figure interest rates in the BVI, Barkley would be out of the door, and we would all be moaning about how much we should have got for him!
I donÂt think any of above is being mean spirited – isnÂt it just the truth?
24 Posted 31/10/2014 at 08:42:55
Anyone who doesnÂt follow KenwrightÂs bullshit, who can understand a Profit &Loss table, see what the financial drivers for a company are, see who delivers these drivers, see how they compare to the general market-place – is written off by you as a negative bigot with an agenda?
Let us get one thing clear from the start – this (very welcome) increase in revenue which has driven all the other ratios and percentage led improvements is not down to Kenwright and his Âstrategy (rofl). It has not been achieved because of him but despite him – if he was leading the TV money discussions then clubs would probably have ended up paying Sky for the privilege.
Your primary school economics really is laughable.
Sponsorship is up, you say – yes, it is but a small increase (7%-ish) on diddly-squat is still diddly-squat. Team sponsorship totalling ٦m a year is shameful – there are players with a dozen or so sponsorships who are getting more than this for ONE deal.
Yet here you are lauding this – we should be berating Kenwright et al for this laughable sum. Man Utd have literally dozens of sponsorships across all areas and locations – just two of them (with Adidas and Chevrolet) get them 𧴵m per year – hell they just announced a deal with a soft-drinks company in Nigeria (yes that mega-rich nation) which is worth more than ours with Chang. I am not comparing our appeal with theirs but it gives you an indication of what can be achieved with a competent Chairman.
And your response to this is not one of outrage but you Âhope they have more ideas and uplift planned for this area in the year or two aheadÂ!!!
Your strategy seems to be a dependence on TV money being sustainable (far from guaranteed), another half a million a year from sponsorship, a reliance on homegrown talent being worth more than 㿀m (to play or sell them – you donÂt make that clear) with all of this giving control of our future. Well I will tell you know we have this already and it could and should be so much better if we had a professional, competent, business-minded management team and Board – not the bunch we have now.
If you are happy with our constant under-achieving then bully for you... but there others who know we can do much much better but then I guess you will write us off as negative bigots.
Just remember that these welcome figures were 95% due to the TV deal – not due to bullshitter Bill in any way.
25 Posted 31/10/2014 at 09:18:52
In the nineties, we spent money we simply did not have and almost paid the price with relegation. Now we can afford to reject a bid for any player unless the bid meets our valuation and we can use the money to improve the squad. That is what all well managed clubs do.
Those hoping for mega sponsorship deals should not hold their breath. Until we have a European wide profile, no global brand will be interested.
26 Posted 31/10/2014 at 09:32:24
This trophy is the No 1 priority for me this year.
27 Posted 31/10/2014 at 09:10:54
Whether we like it or not, Everton is decidedly Âsecond tier in Premier League terms and will always be seen as MerseysideÂs Âother club in any Âbeauty parade before advertisers.
It is a sad fact that many football outsiders would be hard pushed even to identify the city in which we are situated – believe me, because I ask the question all over England – and, anyway, what do you see as the clubÂs unique selling point?
The fact is we havenÂt one so donÂt confuse OUR love for the Club and itÂs impressive (fairly ancient) history with something an advertiser sees as dynamic and sexy.
Always a critic of the Kenwright regime, I now find myself accepting that these latest figures demonstrate Everton is doing pretty well – on and off the field – given that we reside in an ancient stadium in a city most members of the public canÂt identify.
28 Posted 31/10/2014 at 09:52:26
29 Posted 31/10/2014 at 09:47:48
I live about 400 yards from the sea on the South Coast at least 50 miles from the closest Premier League team (Southampton), so the locals tend to have no strong local affiliation to any Premier League team. If you go out into the shopping areas, local parks IÂd say the kids, teenagers and even dads are wearing Man Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea shirts in huge numbers... why the hell Liverpool after 10 years of lack of trophies? In the second division shirt league come Spurs, Arsenal and Newcastle; IÂm lucky to see an Everton shirt and quite surprised also never to see a Man City shirt.
I suspect that Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea have now cornered their own city support, and worldwide they are peopleÂs adopted clubs for our major cities. We will struggle to get any recognition against Liverpool, as will CIty vs Utd and as will Spurs/ Arsenal vs Chelsea.
Before I retired, my job took me all over the world except Africa and unfortunately IÂd say 80% of the people I met didnÂt have a clue of where Everton where from in UK, but they all knew Liverpool.
We have many many years ahead of us to get a global and UK brand.
30 Posted 31/10/2014 at 10:02:37
31 Posted 31/10/2014 at 09:58:03
The fundamentals at Everton remains the same, namely, poor revenue-raising potential from sponsorship and corporate, our antiquated stadium, and our support base demographics, mean that – apart from good housekeeping efforts from Elstone and his team – we have no prospect of the quantum leap needed to propel us into the top 6 in terms of income.
BTW, without the windfall of a Âfree stadium from the Commonwealth Games, Man City would be in the same place as us. That must stick in the craw of Man Utd fans who funded the stadium from their council tax!
32 Posted 31/10/2014 at 10:02:03
33 Posted 31/10/2014 at 10:05:07
I can understand complaining that neither our Board nor our commercial department are the best; but really folks, are we so bitter as fans that we canÂt give a little credit when itÂs very obviously due.
34 Posted 31/10/2014 at 10:13:22
Those who think that raising salient points are to be castigated should dig a little deeper into the accounts and see where Everton FC stand in relation to their peers. I fully accept that things are a little rosier than they have been, but the basic model remains and it will still be a long while before we can truly compete at the very top end of the division.
35 Posted 31/10/2014 at 09:41:25
"Liverpool have the highest profile in the city, the usual top 4 have it nationally and I donÂt think a wee run in the Europe League will have legions of fans abroad buying our stuff."
Trust me mate, even if we won Europa League + Premiership + FA Cup treble this season, we still wonÂt have legions of fans abroad buying our stuff ...... purely and simply for the reason that – thanks to our tremendous deal with ÂShitbag – you CANÂT buy our stuff abroad.....
The Premier League is massive in South Africa, and we have millions of sports shops all over the place selling the usual: Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City & the Redshite – even Newcastle, Spurs & Villa shirts are freely available – hawkers on street corners sell them. But absolutely no Everton shirts anywhere. ItÂs pathetic and nothing short of an absolute disgrace.
The standard retort is that they tell us that we can buy stuff online, but the already outrageous prices + minimum 100% duties and fees make it exorbitant, particularly for something that is only relevant for one season. Whoever agreed to that kitbag deal wants shooting.
36 Posted 31/10/2014 at 10:37:49
I have always wondered why almost every PL club shirts are on sale here in Ireland... Except for Everton, thanks.
37 Posted 31/10/2014 at 10:54:11
However, all this paying down of the debt will achieve is a bigger return for them when they eventually do sell. They paid 㿂m for the club, and the following year, the financial position swung from positive to debt, to the tune of about 㿀m, leading some to speculate that we were the original leveraged buy-out. All of the other borrowings meaning 10s of millions paid out in interest and debt servicing.
So, when they walk away having made an absolute killing, forgive those of us who wonder where we mightÂve been with an ownership more able to deliver what the club needed, rather than stagnating.
38 Posted 31/10/2014 at 11:11:04
Some are happy just to keep our Premier League status, along with a few wins against the Âbig sides, with a Cup run every few years. Others want to see the club moving forward, including a new or redeveloped ground, and some silverware. (20 fucking years!)
They also want the club to have the means to keep the likes of Barkley here for his whole career, and for Everton to regain their status as one of those Âbig clubsÂ.
Whatever your viewpoint, it doesnÂt mean any Evertonian is a bigger, or better Blue than the other – some just believe our rightful place is alongside the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd.
It wasnÂt that long ago we were their equals – thatÂs were my Everton should be aiming.
39 Posted 31/10/2014 at 10:57:16
Perhaps the increase on gate receipts, commercial, sponsorship etc and drop in costs for debt havenÂt contributed as much as TV money in absolute cash terms, but they are all up by a healthy amount and some have been increasing steadily for some time now. That is how you run a good business. Of course it would be nice to see much larger increases but for that we have to be able to offer a reasonable chance of good return to investors.
Part of the reason why we have good news across the board is the full grounds we now enjoy many (most?) weeks, partly due to a new manager introducing more entertaining football. Congratulations are also due to Mr Martinez and his team – and the men who appointed them. If I remember correctly, we are at the point of needing a waiting list for season tickets?
Looking back only a few years, the picture was very different and the board were at least partly rightly criticised. If we had ousted the board at that time does anyone think we would be where we are now?
We have one of the brightest managers around working for us BECAUSE he knows he will be given time and a fair crack of the whip. Not many other clubs do that any more so it isnÂt unreasonable to list that as part of what we have to offer the best talent. That ethos is down to the board. Criticise when it is fair to do so but remember to give credit where it is due too. It took guts to tough it out, it took guts to appoint another young manager.
It isnÂt fair to compare us with the leviathans of the Premier League in terms of income just yet, but the only way we will realistically match them is by building year on year as we are – a chance to compete rather than no chance for the future.
Step changes in funding bring success? See Arsenal, Liverpool, QPR, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Portsmouth, Leeds, Spurs, recent Man Utd and even the struggles Man City have had in the Champions League. Massive amounts of money spent for what success?
New stadium anyone? Reckon we can fill it now?
40 Posted 31/10/2014 at 11:17:02
We actually have the strongest bench we have had for years and that is a barometer of the strength of the squad overall. Gone are the days when the bench was filled with old has-beenÂs and never-wasÂs.
We now have a bench which is the equal of most other clubs and better than some. We now expect to win games rather than hope to and finishing below 6th is considered less than anticipated.
Gone are the relegation struggles with goals only scored from set pieces. But still our reliable moaners continue their wailings of doom and gloom. ItÂs becoming pathetic on the site where it should be optimistic.
41 Posted 31/10/2014 at 11:35:20
Having said that, most of us on here have not yet located the source of those phenomenal ÂEverton Happy Pills the manager advertises daily!
42 Posted 31/10/2014 at 11:27:43
And they have also started spending it. Not included in these accounts is the purchase of Lukaku and Besic nor the enhanced contracts of Barkley, Colman, Stones and Martinez.
As the TV deal has another two years to run, and quite frankly there is no sign of the Premier League phenomenon slowing down, is that for the first time we will have money to invest each year in players and contracts as opposed to what we have done in the past ten years which is have to balance the books on these areas.
Aidan Wade (#20) you win todayÂs prize for getting an Ossie dig into a non-related post.
43 Posted 31/10/2014 at 11:57:50
Obviously we need to do more, and obviously we all have issues with Kenwright. But there is a lot of great stuff about this football club too. We have a fantastic bunch of youngsters, have invested into the team, are playing with a progressive style, are looking like progressing in Europe, and are within 2 points off all our genuine top 4 challengers despite an awful beginning. We have progressed as a club and have introduced some extremely talented youngsters to the side.
We have managed this, whilst producing a very good profit last season. We are not Chelsea or Man City, or Arsenal, and some Everton fans need to realize that. We were the top team in England once, just as some teams in the lower leagues were top teams in England once. If we want to reach the levels of the clubs above us, we need to be cleverer than them. Turning a profit, and investing in young players, will make us that.
Our situation is not perfect, but there is genuine cause for an optimism too often absent on these forums.
44 Posted 31/10/2014 at 11:43:43
Although I share the misgivings regarding our commercial nous, we should also bear in mind sometimes the best has to be made of a bad situation. As I recall, there was a time when the whole merchandise activity was an area that was actually costing Everton money at one point. The Kitbag deal may have seemed the best offer available at a time they were grabbing whatever offers they could get, but it doesnÂt look so hot now. Therefore, we should see the club negotiating a much better deal when the Kitbag deal ends. ThatÂll be an opportunity for Elstone & the Board to prove their worth to the Club.
45 Posted 31/10/2014 at 12:25:57
The downside is the ground and the new need for a big capital injection which only a foreign owner could provide – assuming we want to win something in the next three years!
We could carry on and hope to see the further decline of Man United and Liverpool (now that they have spent the Suarez money) and sneak 4th place.
46 Posted 31/10/2014 at 11:13:58
Last year the goose laid the golden eggs of Anichebe, Jelavic and Fellaini. Three players not needed in the new Martinez set-up. This year the players not needed are not wanted by other clubs.
Following the Athletico Madrid model we have built everything round a young goal scoring striker who will be moved swiftly on if he proves to be a rip roaring success. Of this there is no doubt. We know he canÂt trap a sandbag but if he nets more than 20 goals there are clubs out there who will want him and young proven goalscorers donÂt come cheap. Unfortunately, after a slight injury, he has yet to hit peak form.
The likes of Mirallas, Barkley, Coleman, McCarthy, Besic, Stones and Oviedo will attract attention and I would hate to see any of them move elsewhere. LetÂs hope it doesnÂt happen.
47 Posted 31/10/2014 at 12:32:37
Shirt Sponsors
48 Posted 31/10/2014 at 12:46:35
ItÂs okay reducing debt and having a bit of extra spending money but if these clubs have more then we are going to have to find ways of keeping up with them which right now comes back to selling the family silver to prop up the coffers.
49 Posted 31/10/2014 at 12:54:35
I believe it will get better when the new stadium is sorted and what the stadium entails, i.e. its usage beyond match days, concerts, people in the community etc. At the end of the day though, its performances on the pitch that matter big time FULL STOP.
50 Posted 31/10/2014 at 13:01:04
I found these stats on an Everton site.
Arsenal: 㿊m per season (Puma, 2014 – 2019).
Chelsea: 㿀m per season (Adidas, 2010 – 2018).
Liverpool: 㿅m per season (Warrior, 2012 – 2018).
Man United: 㿃.5m per season (Nike, 2002 – 2015).
Man City: 㾸m per season (Nike, 2013 – 2019).
Spurs: 㾶m per season (Under Armour, 2012 – 2017)
Everton: ١.2m per season (Kitbag, 2009 – 2019)
Now obviously IÂm not for one second suggesting that we should be competing with Arsenal for 30 million a season, but Spurs? Three times what we get..... and I think the 2002 is a typo for United - they ainÂt been with Nike for that long ..... so we signed up on a shit deal for 10 years!
51 Posted 31/10/2014 at 13:08:42
Do we have the most negative fans? Maybe I think we also have some of the most clever fans who realise that most of the good news from last seasonÂs finances are mostly from the increased TV Money.
A lot of us know that and IÂm sure you do too.
53 Posted 31/10/2014 at 13:41:18
Despite the golden goose of TV they have failed to bring forward a new stadium. Failed to find investment. And perhaps most revealingly in terms of financial performance they have failed to bring in advertising and sponsorship deals to mat our on pitch performance as an established top 6 team. They have failed to significantly grow their own brand.
No-one is expecting us to have the same deal as Man u or Arsenal but our shirt deal for example is TEN TIMES less per year than Spurs! It is a quarter what Newcastle get. It is less than Villa, QPR and West Ham. Its on a par with West Brom FFS!
That is why it galls me to see Elstone and Bill hold these records up as a sign of their sterling work on the financial side!
I think Kevin Tully puts it well when he says ÂI would say giving credit to our board for these financials, is like lauding a lottery winner for their fantastic business acumen.Â
Yes. The results are good. Yes, the club is looking stronger. But lets not let the bumper TV deal blind us to some of the boardÂs shortcomings.
54 Posted 31/10/2014 at 13:36:56
Reasons to be cheerful....or depressed?
55 Posted 31/10/2014 at 13:42:28
There are almost half full glasses, and half empty ones. The frustration at the negativity in this thread, is a general frustration I think. In the last few weeks I have seen multiple posts actually representing us as genuine relegation candidates. I have seen people write off Lukaku because a 21 year old started the season poorly. I have seen Baines written off too. I have seen the most absurd negativity, which not only ignores the post-world cup climate, and our specific challenges as a club returning to the Europa league, but which ignore sense. The sheer idiocy of many of these posts, especially those which referred to us as potential relegation fighters (And I, for the sake of clarity, label everyone which suggested that an idiot) has been beyond frustrating, and has made me want to stop visiting the best Everton based site around.
56 Posted 31/10/2014 at 13:50:12
I just get a little sick of fans who seem to spend whatever time they have on their hands to castigate players and play down any progression that the club broadcast.We have spent a lot of years being labelled as over achieving underdogs.Just lately we have benefitted from finishing in a high position in the league and receiving much higher remuneration than teams who finished below us.In previous seasons our games were usually shown amongst the last on TV as we were not playing very attractively.It has only been during the later seasons with DM and since RM arrived to take the vacancy that our stock has risen.We have played better football which has made us more attractive to neutral fans.I just get the feeling that some fans cannot be pleased and that they derive some smug satisfaction out of stirring the pot.I reckon most of the negative posts come from the same writers who attack certain players.
57 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:02:17
I disagree 100%.
They didnÂt spend the money...
Our board is actually exercising some financial restraint and acumen by not acting like drunken sailors and spending willy-nilly. They just banked 㿈 million and are attempting to get their financial house in order.
I donÂt give two fiddlerÂs farts if the fucking tooth fairy left the money under the pillow. The landscape is what it is, and our board are looking like they have a plan in place and are moving forward in a responsible manner.
㿈 million in profits and we criticize that? Fucking hell man! Well done Everton and long may you be financially strong so our future is bright.
Some people amaze me with their negativity.
"We just made 㿈 million!"
"Fuck off you suck."
Really?!!
Happy as a pig in shit to wake to this headline.
58 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:07:40
Most clubs including the other lot across the park are awash with massive debt and even though they have the marketing and backing to offset it, it surely wouldnt take much of a shift in financial circumstances to have a detrimental effect on them.
We seem to be doing pretty good at the present.
59 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:09:29
When the arse does fall out of the Premier League, and in my opinion it must do eventually, then we could be in a far better position than most other teams.
Evertonians, cynical when it comes to the clubs finances? I wouldnÂt expect anything less.
60 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:03:07
One... the 㿈 million record profit is due entirely to the sales of Fellaini and Jelavic.
Two... the increase in income is due almost entirely to a TV deal that not one of the Everton management can take credit for.
Sorry to add a negative note but we have to be realistic.
With better management we have so much potential but Bill and his cronies continue to enjoy a soft ride while the Premier League is awash with money.
The only bit of good news is the reduction in debt. But watch those numbers go negative again this year when the acquisition cost of Lukaku etc kicks in.
61 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:21:40
Yes, I was giving you credit for being sensible, IÂve got very few worries about the playing side of Everton; IÂm more than happy with Robbie and I expect things to get better and better under him.
I was talking about the financial side of the club. IÂll never be happy while Kenwright is in charge of the club. If you like him fair enough – each to his own.
62 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:21:19
These are the figures from the report - rounded off for simplicity Borrowings 2014 㿝m Borrowings 2013 㿜m So total borrowings have actually increased by ٟm rather than fallen. Now letÂs say that the cash held was not used to pay off some of these debts, letÂs say it was given to Chelsea for Lukaku – this means that the debt situation has not really changed – we still need to give 㿝m plus interest to someone at some point. By the way, two further things from these accounts 1) interest payments on debt has increased from ٢.2m to ٣.2m (interest only, doesnÂt include repayments of original amount)
Cash held 2014 㿁m
Net Debt 2014 㿈m
Cash held 2013 ١m
Net Debt 2013 㿙m
2) within the debt structure, the club is borrowing even more against future incomes at high interest rates than they were previously -
Other loans also include 㿀,924,000 (2013: 㾸,868,000) secured by legal charges over the CompanyÂs guaranteed Premier League broadcast revenues. This loan incurs interest at a rate of 8.8% and was repaid in August 2014. The Group has obtained further funding post year end as described in note 1.
Now I donÂt know if this a true reflection of the situation but it does indicate that despite the huge increase in TV revenue BK and the Board remain tied to their modus operandi.
As for those who cannot bear the negativity from some posters I agree with them as regards the unwarranted criticism of some of the players, but some of the criticism was warranted and some of the questions regarding Roberto were also warranted. But most of this was down to the results and if Everton manage to keep picking up plenty of points the criticism will subside and then the uber-optimists will take their place, writing on here has little effect on the team itself and probably has little effect on how much money sponsors are willing to give to the club.
63 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:20:23
1. Commercial Revenue down ٞ.5 million from 㾹.2 million to 㾸.7 million even though sponsorship, advertising, and merchandising was up ٞ.8 million to ٦.4 million. Where has this revenue been lost?
2. Broadcasting Revenue increased by 㿍 million from 㿠 million to 䀁 million. How would our results have looked without this?
3. The Revenue mix shows that PL TV money contributed 73% of revenue, gate receipts 16%, and commercial 11%. Does this mean that we have worked for 27% of our income and been handed the other 73%.
4. If our total Revenue is up 39% from 䀂 million to 𧴱 million, totalling a rise of 㿏 million, isnÂt that almost entirely due to the extra 㿍 million TV money?
I genuinely do not have the financial nous to read beyond the headlines that stand out, but as I said earlier I am sure that other ToffeeWebbers will be able to clarify my queries.
Good new about the average attendances now averaging 37,732; next/this season should be even higher...
64 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:41:09
65 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:35:33
66 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:42:17
Wallow in your pig shit if you like – you must have been in there too long if you canÂt smell the bullshitter Kenwright in this.
68 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:42:08
Any of our USA blues heard anything?
69 Posted 31/10/2014 at 15:12:46
70 Posted 31/10/2014 at 15:25:19
You can see now why Roberto can confidently say we are not a selling club.
The % reduction in the wage bill is also very good news.
Come on folks letÂs be happy and positive for once!
71 Posted 31/10/2014 at 15:35:38
Thank fuck Tom is not doing my books !
IÂd be broke next financial year !!!
72 Posted 31/10/2014 at 15:41:57
73 Posted 31/10/2014 at 15:48:43
I think also credit must be given here to the fans who go to the games, obstructed views and all, that has seen gate receipts go up almost ٠ million. I think BK on this site should be listed along with Hibbert, Osman and now Lukaku, those that some people will always criticise, no matter what.
LetÂs get 3 points tomorrow and make everybody happy!
75 Posted 31/10/2014 at 15:57:44
"Everton have a conveyor belt at Finch Farm producing excellent young talent," he added. "You could be looking at Ross Barkley becoming an asset worth 㿔-㿞m, and then John Stones will also add a big, big number in their asset list."
76 Posted 31/10/2014 at 14:21:44
in Greece at least, it is non existent. Liverpool and Man Utd monopolize the interest. Even West Ham, because of Iron Maiden I suppose, are more recognizable than us.
Back in 2000 was the only time I found an Everton shirt being sold in the market and it was the shirt of 1998! From other teams even the third kits are sold year after year. I recently saw a guy wearing last yearÂs shirt and I asked him if he supports the team and if he bought the shirt through eBay – he replied that he bought it while in vacation in England as he just liked the colors, he didnÂt even know exactly what Everton is (how pathetic is that!).
Consistently playing European football is vital. Making beneficial marketing deals would be good; playing more high profile friendlies like 2 years ago in the USA would be good... The name of Everton must be heard worldwide. Everton need more "manufactured" supporters, this is what separates big clubs from local clubs, it is what makes a team attractive for investment.
This record profit news are great, 㿙 mil debt gone down to 㿈 mil is even better (㿙 mil was there since forever!). All this great news has to translate into supporting and promoting the team.
77 Posted 31/10/2014 at 15:59:25
78 Posted 31/10/2014 at 16:02:03
If itÂs the Houston Astros, Ken, then I donÂt think you will be writing from your seat any more!
79 Posted 31/10/2014 at 16:09:37
Hardly a Âproduction lineÂ, is it?
80 Posted 31/10/2014 at 16:12:03
It may not be as good as itÂs being spun, nothing ever is, but some fans are trying far too hard to make this a negative. WeÂve gone 10 years without spending much money in the transfer market and we have a good manager, a good squad and our financial situation has improved. ArenÂt we ever allowed to be happy about supporting Everton?
81 Posted 31/10/2014 at 16:16:07
Linda @73: You are right. Linda – the same amount isnÂt being spent... it is more – wages have increased by around 10% to 㿲m pa.
I donÂt have a particular problem with this but I just wanted to clarify again.
82 Posted 31/10/2014 at 16:20:40
83 Posted 31/10/2014 at 16:52:50
84 Posted 31/10/2014 at 17:01:32
"They have been incredibly lucky with the money received for Rooney, Lescott, Rodwell, Arteta and Fellaini – those sales have injected desperately needed cash into the club, or we may have been playing in the lower divisions as we speak. You could give the board credit for the sales, if you want to look at it that way."
Or you could say that they should receive credit for appointing David Moyes. (Am I allowed to say that?)
85 Posted 31/10/2014 at 17:09:04
The massive increase in TV money is mostly due to the ludicrously good deal negotiated by the Premier League. Quite rightly, it has been pointed out that Kenwright canÂt take any credit for this.
HOWEVER, that TV money is also partly made up of where we finish in the league and the number of times that weÂre shown live on TV.
Our finish last season in 5th place (and the new more attractive brand of football we played getting there) will have meant we earned more in prize money and live TV than most on here would have predicted at the beginning of last season.
Roberto Martinez can rightly be applauded for his contribution to this. But Kenwright played his part by appointing Martinez and by supporting him in the transfer of players in and out that made the performances on the pitch last season possible. I donÂt think his contribution should be forgotten.
86 Posted 31/10/2014 at 17:08:34
87 Posted 31/10/2014 at 18:17:29
While the true "Borrowings" (aka Real Debt) have increased by ٟM. WHAT!?!?!
In simple terms, the debt has gone up, people — which explains why the interest payments have also gone up. Yet look at the spin in the original article. Simply astounding.
Meanwhile, the positivists on here insist everything is really wonderful in the blue-tinted rose garden...
88 Posted 31/10/2014 at 18:29:47
89 Posted 31/10/2014 at 18:43:29
We might not be in as bad a situation as some but take the TV money away and we are back to square one as our revenue from games and sponsorship deals is meagre to say the least.
90 Posted 31/10/2014 at 18:45:51
I have a mortgage of 𧴜,000. But I get a windfall from my dead uncleÂs will for 㿞,000. IÂm so happy, I go to Vegas and put the trip on my credit card.
My Total Borrowings have increased to 𧴦,000... but my "Net Debt" is now remarkably down to just 㿨k... apparently.
What utter bullshit. Especially as I blow $45k in a new game on the Strip — Romelu Roulette.
91 Posted 31/10/2014 at 18:43:47
92 Posted 31/10/2014 at 18:39:22
IÂm no accountant, but to me net debt is simply what you have when you have your liabilities/loans and remove any liquid assets such as cash.
I fear that as usual, people read into things what they want to then get disappointed when all the assumptions donÂt turn out as theyÂd expected.
I suspect that the loans that we have probably have early repayment charges, there are probably other reasons why to literally get rid of those loans would be a bad idea in the short term.
IÂve not looked at the report so I donÂt know even what time period it covers, but I reckon that it probably excludes this yearÂs transfer fees and that the large profit will end up being swallowed up by 2014Âs transfer dealings.
The positive piece of news for me is to do with the percentage of turnover spent on wages. It means that assuming we can keep control over that, there should be significant positive cash-flow in future years to improve the squad or the stadium. Something weÂve not been able to do for ages. It also means we can actually remove those debts for good when it makes best sense.
93 Posted 31/10/2014 at 18:55:15
94 Posted 31/10/2014 at 18:58:50
95 Posted 31/10/2014 at 18:54:59
HereÂs a suggestion: try reading The a Snowball by a Warren Buffet, it might be a revelation to some.
96 Posted 31/10/2014 at 19:27:17
Supported them in a clapping, slapping on the back manner?
You donÂt mean supported them financially, do you?
97 Posted 31/10/2014 at 19:55:13
I will say it again just in case anyone missed it – this profit is from part of the increased money from TV, if TV money had not increased by 㿍m then this 㿈m profit would in fact have meant a loss of ٣m (assuming same level of spend), no-one at the club was involved in any TV discussions therefore no-one at the club can claim any credit for this profit.
One thing that be associated with the way the club is run managed is sponsorship revenue which was up 7% – sounds great until you realise we are talking about an increase of 𧼐,000 or so to ٦m pa. About on par with Burnley and West Brom and about 40 times less than the big boys.
Still impressed with the whizz-kids at Goodison, still think bullshit Billy is a great business-man and and that profit is profit end of story?
It is great that we are in profit this year but please do take a minute and think how much greater it could be if the club was run professionally by business-men.
98 Posted 31/10/2014 at 19:57:35
I agree it is a bit of spin because they are aware quite rightly that the net debt went back up the moment we bought Lukaku and Besic in July.
The fact we appear to have 㿊m of operating surplus to play with for the next two years has got to be good news.
But here is where the club canÂt win. Should they prioritise reducing debt which means back to balancing the books on transfers or should they accept that the level of borrowings are at an acceptable level and invest in the team. Both views seem prevalent on this thread.
99 Posted 31/10/2014 at 20:26:12
What I object to is the total falsehood being touted that we almost cut our debt in half, and a number of our pious worshipers genuflect on confirmation of the wonderful fiscal management our clubÂs custodians are demonstrating...
Yet the Annual Report of Accounts appears to indicate the exact opposite, that borrowings – far from being cut, have in fact increased. This flies in the face of the common perception that some of the TV windfall would be used to pay down the debt. (A related recurring theme on these pages.) IÂm not saying that should be the case – I accept itÂs a business decision – but to pretend it has happened already when the debt is in fact just as big as ever, if not bigger, simply defies all rationality.
But, as we see on many threads, when the facts go against a perception or a positive feeling, that must be protected at all costs and the facts must be tossed out of the window, so that there is no Âbad newsÂ.
100 Posted 31/10/2014 at 20:23:01
However, I do agree with the sentiment that the Sky bonanza will not last forever and the sooner we grow other sources of revenue the better. Wages and AgentÂs fees are the other area that need control, as this siphons money away from the game into the pockets of strippers, pimps, hustlers, estate agents and car salesmen.
102 Posted 31/10/2014 at 20:56:15
Not being a financial expert like 99.9% on this site, I prefer to take in the comments of Professor Cannon who is also a shareholder of the club who indicates these results show a well-run club.
104 Posted 31/10/2014 at 20:51:28
On the other hand, a week later, a month later or 3 months later we might have paid down our debt. Some debt is expensive to prepay (if you repay your mortgage early, you pay 3 months interest as a penalty, so if you have 2 months to go before the penalty clause expires it is better to wait) and the club may have been waiting to call its debt at par before paying it down.
The problem is the lack of transparency. Financials are produced once a year, several months after the year end and with very few post balance sheet notes. Hence it is very difficult to judge how sound our financial position really is. The only thing we can say is that, without the TV bonanza, we probably would have had to sell one of our star names over the summer.
105 Posted 31/10/2014 at 20:55:36
I donÂt get too worried about it really, itÂs what companies do, put a positive spin on their accounts. In some ways they have to, as they need to keep the confidence of creditors and potential investors.
ItÂs not really a falsehood, the net debt at the time of the accounts had actually reduced. But it was cash in the bank which they have gone on to spend, which I applaud as it shows some ambition to build on last yearÂs progress.
But there is obviously some rather limited financial understanding on this thread. IÂm waiting for Joe Beardsmore to provide his analysis which is always illuminating.
106 Posted 31/10/2014 at 21:07:54
It isnÂt board prudence, it is bank prudence. The terms of the overdraft and loans stops the debt from increasingly massively. The board arenÂt prepared to put in any further money or guarantee any other debt, so why on earth would you congratulate them for sitting on their hands?
Net debt is a standard accounting term, used under UK GAAP, i.e. What governs the standards of accounts.
Profit on Operations before player trading is the key bit less interest. Previously this has been negative and why the silver had to be sold every 3-4 years. A profit of 㿄m less interest of ٣m, puts us around 㾿m to the good. Yes, we need to pay down debt and any transfer fees on the drip, but at least this gives us a sniff of a transfer budget without having to sell a Ross or a Stones.
If we can keep wages contained, get on the TV more, and have a decent cup run, we have a decent chance of building to supplement the squad that is heavy in the 30+. The accounts are not just Fellaini supported.
107 Posted 31/10/2014 at 22:00:05
I, for one, would love to see Howard, in his Everton shirt, on Everton promotional posters throughout the city. Capture a new legion of fans with the most popular American player. ThereÂs a limited window to capitalize from his World Cup exposure, why not spend a little on it and grow the base?
That said, I am neither a financial nor marketing expert.
108 Posted 31/10/2014 at 22:34:48
Can anyone expand on why exactly Everton shirts do not seem available in sports shops outside the UK? Is this a direct result of being with Kitbag?
If so, then this looks a terrible piece of business. I can remember as a kid picking up an Everton shirt in the early Â80s (The one blue on bottom, white on top half) at my local sports shop in Waterford, I liked the look of it and from that day on I was an Everton fan.
How many potential fans are we missing out on by not having shirts in stores outside the UK?
109 Posted 31/10/2014 at 23:21:01
And as Amit, #100, points out, you havenÂt spunked anything on Romelu Roulette, youÂve invested a load of it and still have that asset either to sell, probably at a profit, use to make more money or simply enjoy having.
110 Posted 01/11/2014 at 01:16:10
111 Posted 01/11/2014 at 09:28:37
I donÂt understand finances like some, but the gist to me seems to come in Matt Traynors post 37.
112 Posted 01/11/2014 at 10:58:58
113 Posted 03/11/2014 at 10:59:52
All of this profit was used to reduce our net debt from 㿖.696m to 㾺.464m
Our operating profit (excluding player trading) now stands at 㿃,740m
These are all major positives, largely to the increased TV revenue.
However, our Âother operating costs increased from 㿁.8m to 㿆.381m
Our revenue from sponsorship has only increased from ٠.439m (2003) to ٦.436m (2014)
Our revenue from catering has decreased from ١.329m (2003) to ٞ.934m (2014)
Therefore, the club can and should be doing significantly better on the other operating costs, sponsorship revenue and catering revenue to bring us in line with other EPL clubs.
114 Posted 03/11/2014 at 11:46:14
115 Posted 03/11/2014 at 16:48:26
I was very busy wallowing in pig shit so havenÂt had a glance at this post in a bit but...
You say the increased money has nothing to do with Kenwright and the Board. Very true. I think the point some of us are attempting to make is that despite it not being their "achievement" with the new increased TV revenue, surely you have to tip your cap to the Board because they didnÂt actually spend the windfall and have attempted to make Everton a more secure club financially. Correct?
ThatÂs a good thing Mike...
Profits up because we didnÂt spend like drunken sailors. Wage bill down from 72% (totally unsustainable btw) to 58% (sustainable if not healthy). By the way, on 䀁 million in revenue thatÂs a savings of 㾸 million on wages...
Kenwright has indeed demonstrated that anything he says should be taken with one large pinch of salt. I agree with you. But these numbers are certainly a step in the right direction and good news however you slice it.
WhatÂs seemingly naive and stupid (reference to your earlier post @66) is your unflappable view that Kenwright is always lying, always manipulating, always out to ruin EFC. And yes, you didnÂt say that exactly itÂs not a quote, but you do seem paranoid and frankly as you allude anyone who doesnÂt distrust Kenwright 100% (seemingly in your world) is therefore naive and stupid. ThatÂs just...
Naive and stupid.
Back to my pigshit.
116 Posted 03/11/2014 at 18:04:11
"That said, I am neither a financial nor marketing expert."
Unfortunately, neither is anybody at Everton FC.
Welcome to the machine.
117 Posted 03/11/2014 at 23:54:49
Wage bill down from 72% to 58%... on 䀁 million in revenue, thatÂs a savings of 㾸 million on wages. — NO!!! Read the story — The wage bill rose to 㿱.3M.
That means they have GONE UP!. Not down. They only appear to have gone down as a proportion of turnover because the turnover went up by more!!!
And why was that? Because of the TV bonanza! Same reason as the cash in hand reducing the Ânet debtÂ... until it was spent on our summer transfers, their wages, and agents commissions.
WhatÂs the emoticon for a dead horse being flogged?
118 Posted 04/11/2014 at 02:00:34
Take a spreadsheet and put a number on it. Call it "sales".
Take another cell and call it "accounts payable".
Enter a percentage into "accounts payable" and subtract that percentage from your sales cell.
That, friend, is your "profit".
Now... if you take the "sales" number and increase it while decreasing your "accounts payable" number youÂll see an astounding, and very real, fact - your profits went UP! And yes, that even happens when the overall payables number goes up.
ItÂs the percentage that matters...
You see, itÂs not facepalm nonsense. ItÂs actual numbers.
"But Jamie, you stupid silly American non-Liverpudlian adopted fool, if we had kept the wage bill THE SAME we would have made MORE money!!"
You donÂt say Michael? Hmmm.... Never considered THAT.
Jesus man...
119 Posted 04/11/2014 at 04:52:37
In other words itÂs the real numbers that matter, not the percentage, which is a by-product of those numbers.
120 Posted 04/11/2014 at 07:00:41
As a result of strengthening the playing squad, staff costs rose by 10% to 㿱.3m. Percentage and ÂpayablesÂ? IsnÂt that what you wanted?
ItÂs really not hard... unless you think (and IÂm quoting you here): "thatÂs a savings of 㾸 million on wages..."
Err... No itÂs not.
121 Posted 04/11/2014 at 07:07:52
YouÂre both right. Yes wages have gone up in absolute terms. Yes, theyÂve gone down as a percentage of revenue. Yes had wages increased as much as revenue in percentage terms then wages would be 㾸m more than they are.
Now move along gents...
122 Posted 04/11/2014 at 07:46:14
123 Posted 04/11/2014 at 12:50:41
Poor illustration on my part. My overall point is correct... And David is spot on and clears this all up.
It might be your English language but we Americans perfected it. Dude. ;0)
124 Posted 04/11/2014 at 12:59:38
It canÂt be a determined number... You canÂt forecast it and say, "AP will be this number this fiscal year." It has to be expressed as a percentage. Goods, services, etc - their cost will rise and fall various variables. A company wonÂt know what the AP number is, but theyÂll know they must try to reduce the AP percentage as much as possible against the sales dollars. And the AP number will always rise with increased sales. Actually not always but most likely.
I do take your point and think its a perspective issue much like David pointed out with MichaelÂs and my "disagreement." At the end of the day you know the AP number and then derive the percentage. My point is when forecasting you donÂt know the AP number but sure as hell have a percentage goal to maximize profits. Knowing that percentage goal can help you price goods, plan for purchasing, etc...
Flogging the horse and moving on for good now.
125 Posted 04/11/2014 at 13:06:52
Yes, staff costs rose 10%. Yes, it went up.
Overall payables on a percentage basis when compared to revenues went down.
Profits overall went up.
You just illustrated my point and I hope you see that.
Done for good...
127 Posted 04/11/2014 at 14:39:04
128 Posted 04/11/2014 at 15:30:19
129 Posted 04/11/2014 at 16:00:48
The other factor is the timing of the clubÂs fiscal year: ends 31 May, so all the commitments to new wages made during the summer wonÂt become visible in the published accounts until next autumn (aka ÂfallÂ). IÂm sure thatÂs where a lot of the excess cash we had on 31 May 2014 has already gone...
130 Posted 04/11/2014 at 16:29:04
There is no financial magic being carried out by our board. (Fulham, who finished bottom in 2014, received more TV money than Man Utd the year before, who were League Champions – just to put the TV cash increase into perspective.)
Re the wage bill as a % of turnover, the massive percentage reduction (again thanks to the TV money increase, as the actual wagebill went up!) is also good news, for now. HOWEVER, this number does not take into account the wages of any of the new players signed in the summer - e.g. Barry, Besic, Lukaku, Eto, nor any renegotiated contracts, e.g. Barkley and Stones. This percentage is obviously currently much higher than stated in the accounts so I woudnÂt be bragging about it just yet.
It will also be interesting to see how this changes as agents will no doubt be looking to massively increase player wages at the next round of negotiations. We also have a number of ageing players that need replacing next year and the wages of their replacements will no doubt be higher than the ones replaced (i.e. Distin, Hibbo, Alcaraz, Osman). Insurance claims would have also covered a huge chunk of the wages last year for Gibson, Kone, Oviedo and Alcaraz.
All-in-all, the picture is much rosier than it was in the recent past, but say a massive thank you to Sky for that and not to our board.
The elephant in the room is, and always has been for about a decade, the stadium issue. The massive increase in TV money must be used to somehow solve this issue over the next couple if years as either the Sky bubble will burst or player and manager wages will simply eat up the extra TV money and send up back to square one.
131 Posted 04/11/2014 at 17:13:58
I can understand it from the club, who always want to polish every side of the turd. But to have some of our own fans on here swallow, twist and regurgitate the stuff in some wonderful positive blue glow is a little disconcerting.
132 Posted 04/11/2014 at 19:27:03
And that little tit-for-tat is why I love me some ToffeeWeb.
For the record, I don’t mindlessly swallow anything coming out of BK’s mouth... I just see this financial news as a step in the right direction.
Now let’s all hold our breath and see what those published accounts next Fall tell us.
Calmer, more measured, seeing light through a different part of the prism... but holding to "that’s good news" for now.
Cheers.
Finally, please know – I had posted last night after I attended a board meeting where I’m a member for a local private school. I fought for over an hour against a 5% tuition increase for families despite stiff resistance; only in the end to fail. Champion of the common man and whatnot... I live in a neighborhood (near to it, not in it, can’t afford some lovely places...) where many people wake and shit gold bars and frankly are completely out of touch. I won’t bore you with details, but I will say this — I’m well aware you can paint any fucking picture with numbers your little heart desires.
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1 Posted 31/10/2014 at 01:05:58