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Jagielka starts again for England

by | 15/11/2014  Comments (33)  jump
Phil Jagielka played the majority of England's 3-1 win over Slovenia at Wembley this afternoon, while club-mate Ross Barkley was an unused substitute.

The two teams went into the half-time break level at 0-0 after a tedious first half's action and it took an own goal by Liverpool's Jordan Henderson to spark the home side into life.

Wayne Rooney scored a penalty to level the Euro2016 qualifier at 1-1 before Danny Welbeck struck twice to give England the points.  

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Tony McNulty
1 Posted 15/11/2014 at 18:42:32
There's a fair bit of competition, but Jordan Henderson must be one of the worst players to pull on an England shirt in recent times.
Mick Quirke
2 Posted 15/11/2014 at 18:48:27
Jags injured?!
James Stewart
3 Posted 15/11/2014 at 18:52:14
The England team truly is shocking.
Jay Harris
4 Posted 15/11/2014 at 18:58:00
I thought the same Mick.

He got a knock when he tackled the Slovenia lad and seemed to struggle after that until he was subbed a few minutes later.

Let's hope is not too serious.

Mick Quirke
5 Posted 15/11/2014 at 19:23:32
Thank God Barkley never came on.
Peter Gorman
6 Posted 15/11/2014 at 19:24:55
Same old from Roy the moobs. England have no identity whatsoever and will win sweet FA with this dinosaur in charge.

The Milner cameo summed it all up really.

Mark Frere
7 Posted 15/11/2014 at 19:39:11
If Jags is injured, we really are down to the bare bones as far as centre-backs are concerned. Distin and Browning it is then for the West Ham game.
Michael Upton
8 Posted 15/11/2014 at 19:55:25
Post-match, they were on about Gibbs being a natural as England LB so the anti-Baines campaign looks like stepping up a bit.

Never mind Baines's excellent form this season – 9 assists so far I believe? – and that Gibbs was playing against the mighty Slovenia.

To be honest, the national side are such a bunch of overrated non-achievers though that I'd be quite happily for Baines to be overlooked long-term. I can't say how relieved I was that Barkley didn't have to have a go on that cabbage patch of a pitch.

Colin Glassar
9 Posted 15/11/2014 at 20:00:44
It used to fill me with pride when Everton players played for England; nowadays, it just fills me with dread that they might come back injured.

Ever since Hoddle was sacked, the national team has gone backwards and I've lost all interest in them. The last time they excited me was '98 against the Argies.

Doug Harris
10 Posted 15/11/2014 at 20:33:55
Who gives a toss about any England game nowadays? It seems the players aren't arsed: "Gorra Cap... got me dosh."

For me, the passion has gone for playing for Your Country and I would say, for the majority of anyone living North of Watford, it has too...

Trevor Lynes
11 Posted 15/11/2014 at 21:26:25
I do not understand the negative comments. England played well and Slovenia were not a bad side. Jags had a decent game and I don't think that anyone had a bad game.

Welbeck looked quick and sharp; how Man Utd let him go beats me. Rooney played OK but does not frighten opposing sides as he used to.

Ernie Baywood
12 Posted 15/11/2014 at 22:16:36
Gibbs is a nothing player. Not in the same ballpark as Baines. Baines is your classic example of where England goes wrong. Class act adjusting to international football in his late twenties. Criminal that he wasn't used more earlier on in his career. What benefit did 30 more caps for Cole give?

Interesting to see Ross on the bench... is it a move towards getting young players experienced before they peak as footballers or is it simply selecting him on reputation?

Bill Gall
13 Posted 15/11/2014 at 22:11:22
Wonder why Hodgson did not bring on Lamber? It it seems as long as you are a Liverpool player, it does not matter how poor you are – you still get a place in the the England game.

How Henderson is preferred over Barkley just blows my mind.

I can't believe the drooling over the win against a poor team but looking at the game I do not think England can be classed as a good team.

Colin Glassar
14 Posted 15/11/2014 at 22:30:29
Bill, remember Hodgson believes he still needs to win the kopites over after his fiasco at that dump. That's why he picks every RSplayer that can walk.
Mark Andersson
15 Posted 16/11/2014 at 00:34:34
Colin (#9) – spot on. International games, especially England, are boring.

James Flynn
16 Posted 16/11/2014 at 03:23:00
I see the President of the German Football League has thrown down the gauntlet to Fifa. Should be interesting.
Matt Traynor
17 Posted 16/11/2014 at 03:27:16
James #16, Fifa will never change. The European federations can scowl at the endemic corruption all they like (or is that cast jealous glances, can never tell), but as long as Blatter is propped up by South America and Middle East (and most of Asia for that matter) he'll never be challenged.

It's a Gravy Train of Epic proportions, and those guys have a seat in 1st Class, and riches beyond what they could ever imagine.

Michael #8, I see your point, but it still lives in my memory there was a time we were losing our "top" players due to the fact they weren't getting the chances at international level they thought they should. At least that was their excuse. I'm sure the extra money from moving wouldn't have come into it.

James Flynn
18 Posted 16/11/2014 at 03:53:17
Matt - Only takes the first European domino to fall. And Germany is the big one. England follows... Spain, France? Would take less than you think to make Fifa crumble.
Paul Ferry
19 Posted 16/11/2014 at 05:50:23
I thought that Jags was awful in this game, twice putting his centre-mid mate in the shit – and after the match joking about it! His positioning was awful.

The missus heading downtown Chicago tonight with a nice bottle of red I took to the sofa to watch a second time. I don’t care about England but I care about Everton and Jags on a second showing was even worse!

The last month has been good for Jags with us. He knocked one on for England a month ago. Don’t care if he plays for England or not, so let’s go with the mutant Shawcross surge and Jags for Everton not England as nothing seems to have damaged him more these last 12 months than playing for England (not to mention the Shawcross hilarity factor!).


Douglas McClenaghan
20 Posted 16/11/2014 at 07:10:13
Trevor 11. The only scary thing about Rooney is his head. Like others here, I don't want our players taking the field for their countries. World Cup or Euro finals excepted. Remember how Moyes had kittens every time Cahill turned out for Australia – even though it was publicity for the club.
Matt Traynor
21 Posted 16/11/2014 at 07:27:42
James #18, I think you're being a tad idealistic there. Would the USA also follow this lead? They're a big TV market.

True change at Fifa would only come about if McDonalds, Sony, Anheuser Busch and MasterCard started rattling the cage. If they agreed to follow the lead of Germany et al, then Fifa would indeed be history.

The remaining countries could play in their own "Corruption World Cup". The bidding process alone would be entertaining and the TV rights would sell for millions...

Paul Andrews
22 Posted 16/11/2014 at 07:37:27

If all the big European football countries threatened to leave Fifa, the companies you mention would definitely start rattling the cage. Argentina and Brazil would be left to carry the flag. That would hurt the commercial values.

Won't happen though. Too many pockets being filled.

Brian Hill
23 Posted 16/11/2014 at 08:11:48
Colin, I agree with your observation regarding England in 1998 – this was the only time I have ever become engaged with the England team. Sol Campbell's disallowed, for no reason whatsoever, winning goal annoys me to this day, although not quite at the level of the Collina disgrace.

Trevor Lynes
24 Posted 16/11/2014 at 11:40:13
Doug, you missed my point. I was just saying that the game was a lot better than most internationals of late.

Like yourself I worry about injuries to our players, but they like to play for their countries and clubs have to let them. Success in a player's career is measured in trophies won and caps earned. That is what they want and so be it!!

I hope they win trophies with Everton but, if they win them with England or any other country, then that would be meritorious.

Denis Richardson
25 Posted 16/11/2014 at 13:06:40
Matt, have to agree with James. I posted a while back that the only thing that will force Fifa's hand is to have a couple of big sides threaten to drop out of the World Cup.

If Germany, England and say Spain drop out, Fifa and more importantly the sponsors will shit it.

Patrick Murphy
26 Posted 16/11/2014 at 14:23:29
I hadn't realised that Jags had earned so many England caps – now level with Ray Wilson and only half-a-dozen behind Alan Ball. For a club of our size, it's strange that we haven't had more caps for our players in the England team and that most of our top cap earners are defenders.

The list of top caps for Everton players, courtesy of the Echo:

Alan Ball 39
Phil Jagielka 33
Ray Wilson 33
Leighton Baines 29
Brian Labone 26
Gary Stevens 26
Trevor Steven 25.

Pete Edwards
27 Posted 16/11/2014 at 15:38:13
I'm in no way English or concern myself with them but how the hell did Steven and Stevens not get a load more caps than they did!?!
Peter Gorman
28 Posted 16/11/2014 at 20:49:30
How the hell did Dixie only get 16?!
Colin Glassar
29 Posted 16/11/2014 at 21:12:12
England hardly played any games in Dixie's day, Peter.

As for Stevens and Steven, it's always been harder for Everton players to be called up for England. How many caps did Bob Latchford get? About 5!! Fucking Mick Channon and Paul Mariner were preferred to him and neither could hit a barn door from five yards away. I think even Malcolm McDonald got more caps than Latch and he was fucking useless as well.

As for Fifa, I say fuck 'em. If Uefa can convince the South Americans to start an Intercontinental Cup, then let's go down that road. I bet the yanks would be up for it and the Africans and Asians would soon follow.

Andy Crooks
30 Posted 16/11/2014 at 21:25:16
England caps don't mean much these days. Being English and being a professional footballer is nearly enough.

Remember when Alf was boss. He ran the England team like a club: hard to get in to and hard to get kicked out.

Does anyone recall the "Osgood for England" chants? Some decent players – Marsh, Hudson, Currie, Bowles – rarely got a look in. It worked, however, to a large extent. An England cap meant something.

The England team in 1970 were top class. As were the team that failed to qualify in 1974. They outclassed a fine Poland side that went on to finish third. Henderson and others as poor as him should be on the receiving end of howls of derision rather than caps.

Sadly, in my view, the current England set-up from New Wembley to the spineless FA, from the cardboard-cutout pundits to the fawning to the Premier League, represents and epitomizes much of what stinks about modern football.

James Flynn
31 Posted 16/11/2014 at 23:10:09
Matt - No idealism here. The end of Fifa would not mean the end of corruption. Too much money involved for that.

But, the loss of European support, plus England and the US would have a major effect on sponsorship deals, which is where the big money is. Certainly could have a "World Cup" still. Not much of one, though.

Paul Ferry
32 Posted 17/11/2014 at 02:15:21
Interesting that Jags made more passes – 82. That’s 19 more than anyone else on the pitch. Seems like he just can’t get rid of that Finch Farm thing!
Peter Morris
33 Posted 18/11/2014 at 15:29:01
I'd be the first to admit that Jagielka didn't have the greatest World Cup (he was not alone), and that his early season form left a lot to be desired. He has looked a lot more like his old self over recent weeks, as our goals conceded demonstrate. However, since the World Cup, there has been a constant campaign from Sky 4 loving journalists trying to undermine him and get him out of the England first 11.

On Saturday against Slovenia, although the defence weren't tested, I thought Jags had quite a steady game. He didn't give possession away, he was solid when needed at the back and even had a couple of half-chances from set pieces. He even took a yellow card for the team because of a suicide pass to him from Cahill. Yet, the Manure loving twat in The Independent that is Sam Wallace, gives him a 5 out of 10, England's lowest score (the only one), and even 6 Slovenian players were given higher scores.

I thought Lallana was England's weakest performer by a distance. Was I watching another game? I'm guessing that Wallace's particular motivation is all about bigging up Smalling and Jones, but I'm weary of our players being singled out in my view because they don't play for one of the favoured few. When they do shine, all the talk is about getting them transferred to one of the favoured few!

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