Everton 0 - 1 FK Krasnodar
Arouna Kone started up front alongside Conor McAleny
Roberto Martinez handed a senior debut to 17 year-old Ryan Ledson for the dead rubber against the Russians and was prompted to introduce Kieran Dowell, also 17, when Christian Atsu pulled up with a hamstring injury after just 10 minutes.
Tyias Browning and Conor McAleny also made their first starts for the club in a line-up featuring Kone, Oviedo and Steven Pienaar, with Gareth Barry deployed at centre half alongside Antolin Alcaraz.
With the Russian league season over, Krasnodar fielded nine players from the two clubs' first meeting in October so it was always likely to be a tough assignment for a very youthful team.
The game's only goal was attributable more to errors by some of the more experienced members of the starting XI, however, with captain Pienaar failing to adequately track the run of Ricardo Laborde as he latched onto a ball knocked behind the home defence and Joel Robles exhibiting some mystifying goalkeeping.
The Spaniard initially forced the Colombian forward wide but then showed him too much of his goal, allowing Laborde to fire home from the angle.
Robles had earlier denied Wanderson, blocking a fierce shot from the other side of the goal with his face as the Russians pressed early on.
At the other end, where Luke Garbutt was again impressive raiding down the left flank from fullback, Andrei Sinitsyn in the Krasnodar goal made saves from Kone and Pienaar to preserve the visitors' lead going into half time.
Everton were more settled and purposeful in the second half, with Ledson growing into the contest and all of Garbutt, Pienaar and Oviedo providing some nice moments.
Kone, who looked sharp and fit throughout, went closest to equalising with an impressive turn and shot that the 'keeper parried behind and the Ivorian was unfortunate that a terrific surging run later in the half came to nothing.
Laborde would find his way through again but was foiled by Robles while more poor positional play by the Spanish 'keeper almost ended up with Marat Izmailov doubling Krasnodar's lead but he scuffed his shot wide.
Chris Long and Gethin Jones were sent on late for their first senior appearances but the Blues could not find a goal to put some gloss on an otherwise instructive night for the manager.
In the other Group H fixture, Wolfsburg ensured they will join Everton in Monday's draw with a 3-0 win in Lille who finish bottom of the pile with no wins.
The Toffees' potential opponents in the next phase are as follows: Anderlecht, Ajax, Roma, Villarreal, Torino, Celtic, PSV Eindhoven, Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk, Sevilla, Young Boys, Aalborg, Guingamp, Trabzonspor
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1 Posted 11/12/2014 at 19:32:57
2 Posted 11/12/2014 at 19:37:24
3 Posted 11/12/2014 at 19:39:27
Here is a link that explains it all very clearly:-
4 Posted 11/12/2014 at 19:40:47
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6 Posted 11/12/2014 at 19:47:01
This would be so great because IÂm from Austria and would only have to drive for 1 hour to visit the Red Bull stadium.
10 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:04:28
17 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:10:51
18 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:14:00
19 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:14:10
20 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:15:15
22 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:16:54
See the tippy tappy football trying to play from the goalkeeper is ingrained right through the club.
23 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:21:17
24 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:22:59
*And that lad Dowell was born in October 1997. I give up.
25 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:24:51
KoneÂs looking sharp, love to see him notch tonight. COYB!
27 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:30:08
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29 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:30:19
30 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:35:25
31 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:14:46
32 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:36:16
33 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:33:32
34 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:36:21
Astu needs to be sent back immediately.
Robles needs a new team
35 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:36:19
36 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:34:43
37 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:33:18
38 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:36:39
Still, plenty of energy and promise in the overall performance.
39 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:36:59
40 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:37:49
41 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:38:26
42 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:41:26
43 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:41:04
When the oppo have it, theyÂre all over the place. Alcaraz, Pienaar and Barry are the only ones holding this together at times.
44 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:38:53
45 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:43:43
46 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:43:24
48 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:41:09
50 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:49:38
51 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:48:39
We could easily be ahead and probably should have stopped that goal, Robles was pretty poor for that.
Actually, IÂve realised IÂm really enjoying watching the team and seeing some new prospects. The footballÂs not brilliant, but it feels more direct at times than the tippy, tappy stuff weÂre all starting to get a bit fed up with.
Been very impressed with Kone so far, played the lone role really well with power and an actual first touch (are you watching Romelu?!)
Garbutt also looking good and Alcaraz, Pienaar and Barry showing class when needed (as youÂd expect).
52 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:52:59
53 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:52:46
54 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:55:22
This lad will make a lot of people eat their words as he gets fitter.
55 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:51:01
DonÂt forget most young players make their debuts in a scratch side, they do it in ones and twos.
And remember theyÂre playing against experienced players.
So far if I was Martinez IÂd be looking at the faulty offside trap and ing Joel for
Garbutt, Kone and Peanuts the best performers thus far...
56 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:48:47
57 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:53:48
58 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:56:54
Atsu pulling a hammy, couldnÂt make that up could you.
59 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:57:20
61 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:56:36
62 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:57:20
Also, and I hope this isnÂt libellous, but re the Spurs game: wasnt floodlight failure reported as being part of one of the many Far East spread-betting wheezes?
63 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:49:09
64 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:53:48
1. We need to buy a keeper quick, Robles is pure shite
2. Kone looked very, very good. Sharp and held the ball up brilliantly.
3. Garbutt is a million times better at taking corners than any Everton player in last 10 years.
4. We have some good youngsters that could be excellent in a couple of years.
5. Oviedo baby is back....
65 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:00:41
Ledson is comfortable in possession and defiantly has a future as does dowell by the sounds of it. Mcaleny looks rusty. Browning seems to be the jags clone, not great in possession but can defiantly defend and has a fair bit of pace.
Kone has been good he has better control than I thought. Oviedo is 100% not a centre mid! Would be better off switching him and Pienaar I think.
Joel was fucking terrible there though! IÂve been one saying he should be in over Howard lately because of his constant mistakes but fuck me that was awful from Joel!
66 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:01:58
67 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:01:34
Sadly, Robles should have done a Schmeichel "take the fucking lot out" and bottled an easy save.
68 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:01:57
69 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:16:45
Otherwise, the second team is doing at least as well as the first team did in Krasnodar.
70 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:04:21
Kobe is slow as molasses but could be helpful. Also needs to work on some moves. He has zero trickery
71 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:01:04
Was not expecting a great performance tonight but with the conditions, overall the young players are doing ok.
72 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:07:56
74 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:09:31
75 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:11:21
76 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:10:13
77 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:12:52
78 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:13:46
80 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:14:44
81 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:05:39
82 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:18:56
Starting to think how Garbutt can get in the first team though, even if just for the corners and crosses.
83 Posted 11/12/2014 at 20:50:21
84 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:20:36
85 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:21:15
86 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:22:08
87 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:25:59
Is it just me or is movement a bit wooden...
88 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:24:27
Kone/Kobe whatever lol.
Garbutt with another good corner
89 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:22:33
91 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:28:08
92 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:27:02
93 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:29:26
Talking of desperate, how much does Kone want a goal?
94 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:31:22
95 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:15:27
96 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:32:11
97 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:31:23
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99 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:30:14
100 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:29:11
101 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:33:05
102 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:32:44
103 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:33:15
Where does he fit though? Replacing Lukaku??
Umm... what did I just see out of Robles? Like a U-14 game... Wow!
104 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:34:25
105 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:34:38
106 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:37:03
107 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:32:57
108 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:37:15
109 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:35:18
110 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:39:53
112 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:44:05
113 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:51:23
114 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:52:39
115 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:53:58
116 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:55:50
117 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:56:48
118 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:56:21
119 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:58:14
120 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:56:30
121 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:57:43
Minus points: Robles is a walking disaster zone
The rest of the youngsters arenÂt anywhere near ready, Ledson looks confident but wants to kick every bugger, Dowell didnÂt show enough, McAleny again confident but doesnÂt pick his head up for the easier ball.
122 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:58:13
Garbutt looks the business, Kone will be helpful and push Lukaku and be a different option.
No world beaters anywhere on the horizon.
123 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:07:54
On balance probably yes baecause it gave us the chance to see what the kids are like in a live game as opposed to Finch Farm.
Thought Pienaar, Garbutt and Kone were outstanding.
Barry was fairly good in the back 4.
Disappointed with Oviedo and Browning who seems to have lost his confidence.
Special mention for Robles who I thought was Krasnodars best attacker. Will somebody please give him a video of "Neville SouthallÂs goalkeeping basics". Or preferably transfer him to Chester.
Having said all that we didn’t trouble their keeper all night.
Hope weÂre prepared for Monday Robbie!!!!
124 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:58:53
Robles a complete disaster. No wonder Timmy looks so complacent: it would be suicidal for Bobby to sit him. We need to bring in someone to compete for that job.
McAleny nowhere near ready for the senior squad. He was much improved in the second half, but his first half was just terrible. Pienaar showed flashes of his former self, but I think heÂs just about finished. Overall, not nearly the "celebration" I was hoping for.
125 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:02:53
126 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:56:22
All in all, a good and well worth exercise.
Robles Â– the less said Â– not up to standard, full stop.
Most impressive and clearly ready for the step up out of the youngsters are Garbutt and Ledson.
McAleny has pace and showed some nice touches, I think he offers something different, Browning was good, has pace and defends well played well second half but was not as impressive as previously.
Dowell whoÂs rated highly Â– he showed nice touches but is clearly too soon for the step up, he looked like a boy against men who needs to grow and get his man strength. A season or so too early to judge him.
Kone was the first team player who was the most encouraging Â– and thatÂs with a year and first senior back game.
127 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:00:01
What we really need to be concerned about after this game is the condition of Tim GreeleyÂs gastrointestinal tract.
128 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:03:55
Robles is a shit keeper.
Pienaar is finished as a footballer.
Martinez's pointless, passive, passing at the back is permeating throughout the whole club.
Other than that, the youngsters did us proud.
129 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:06:01
130 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:05:31
I must have been watching a different McAleny, he was lightweight and frankly IÂd say that was McFadden he would have been destroyed for hogging the ball too long. He will end up at somewhere like Blackburn or Bolton, another Vellios.
Kone was quite impressive, looks like being a good sub at least.
And I predict Garbutt will take over from Baines within the next two years..
131 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:07:39
Ajax, Roma, Anderleht, Villareal, Sevilla, Torino, Celtic, PSV, Dnipro, Young Boys, AaB, Guingamp, Trabzonspor.
132 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:09:58
133 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:09:40
One thing tonight has shown is that Pienaar should be one of two or three leaving the club in the summer, if not in January. HeÂs simply not good enough.
134 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:11:13
135 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:13:02
136 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:07:51
Poor first half, a lot better second. Remember Browning and McAleny playing out of position. Oviedo, Pienaar, Kone, Alcaraz all coming back after injury. Lots of green kids. I thought we did better than expected.
137 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:03:47
As for the youngsters, Garbutt, Ledson and Browning are going to be big time players, for me McAleny is not good enough at this level (heÂs older than Lukaku) as for the others time will tell, anyway Monday night IÂll be a lot more stressed than I was tonight.
138 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:12:50
Fred KarnoÂs Circus would be more appropriate.
139 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:13:27
140 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:13:58
141 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:12:56
McAleny was like the kid on the playground who wants to show how good he is but actually just needs to pass it much quicker.
Our entire club philosophy seems to be to dither and dally on the ball until closed down. YouÂre supposed to move it much, much quicker than we do.
142 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:02:28
Kone, Oviedo and Garbutt deserve starts and bench positions for the rest of the season.
143 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:10:16
ItÂs so simple. Develop the best youth academy with cutting edge training methods. find the best scouts. Send those great scouts and have them go to Africa, Eastern Europe, Latin America wherever. Get those kids in from a young age and build that way if you "donÂt have money".
There is absolutely no excuse for it after all of these years. I have no idea where this team is headed.
144 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:18:10
Celtic please in the next round. The Scottish Kopites are shite and Naisy scoring the winner would be priceless.
145 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:16:41
146 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:21:08
What have we won with him? What has he contributed towards that? Why do some people want these old hacks to stick around? TheyÂre not getting better.
147 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:11:28
Pienaar is not fit.
Oviedo is not fit.
Kone has a nice all round game.
Losing our unbeaten record.
Tactics - Kone all alone... Browning out of position... McAleny out of position (due to Atsu).
I even noticed a patch of tap it round amongst the back four until a loose pass gave them a clear chance. If we tonk QPR on Monday, then I suppose we will all forget this experiment.
148 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:12:35
Barry was impressive at centre half Â– more to come?
The Martinez style now in evidence throughout the club is a big minus as it means we are slow and predictable and will leave these kids of little use to any club. If this is the future, gawd help us!
149 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:19:53
Garbutt is ready to help the first team, Oviedo is still some way off the pace and Pienaar is still useful but not for a whole game. The kids did alright but as many have said none of them look like making it at the very top level Â– but at least they have had a go in what was a pretty competitive match which shows how good it was for us to top that particular group.
Now itÂs back to the bread and butter of the PL and if the first-team players show the same enthusiasm and willingness to work as many of the lads did tonight, we should be OK Â– I hope.
150 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:20:09
Garbutt Â– looks okay;
Oviedo Â– okay, but played out of position;
Kone Â– Transfer window and Championship beckons;
McAleny Â– Hmmmm! Another McGeady?
Barry Â– next centre back. Plays there next 5 years;
Keeper Â– libel laws prevent me from commenting.
151 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:26:13
There are more Celtic supporters, who are clandestine Toffees, than you would think. I know many, many who hate the Shite.
"Grand Old Team"... origins of this song?
152 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:28:58
153 Posted 11/12/2014 at 21:50:05
Ledson has a great range of passing and good positional sense and can see in the next season or two him forming a good partnership with McCarthy. Browning is deffo not a right back but will have a bright future as a centre back pairing with Stones.
Nice to see Kone & Oviedo get a good run out, those two will be important squad players for the rest of the season.
One thing for sure: Robles is not good enough even as a back up to Howard so need to get a new keeper in possibly on loan in January and shot of Robles.
154 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:22:49
He has pace and offers us something different Â– in that heÂs small and nippy and could play off a big man. We donÂt have this type of player upfront in our squad.
I know the point youÂre making, ultimately you need more than one game to be certain (he too is coming back from an injury I believe) we need to see more of him at this level, whether we do is anybodyÂs guess.
155 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:28:12
156 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:30:11
157 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:34:13
Still have it.
158 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:31:47
And weÂd level Celtic and IÂd be happy for progressing but donÂt want to oust the team that wears hoops. Let someone else do it please God.
159 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:28:36
Garbutt should play against QPR based on Baines form of late. You never know, we might even score a goal from a corner from this kidÂs deliveries. It made me think back to the days of Andy Hinchcliffe.
160 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:30:55
I thought he pushed Garbutt for MotM.
He was involved in most of our productive play and helped the defense out much more than Mirallas or McGeady would have.
161 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:32:47
Kone is that man with pace and "nippy"
McAleny just looks too waif-like and I can now see why, since that debut at Arsenal three years ago, he hasnÂt been on the bench.
I donÂt think we learned a great deal about tonight other than only Garbutt and maybe, just maybe, Browning could knock on the first team door; none of the others are either physically or technically ready and probably wonÂt be for at least 12-18 months.
Robles is crap, Pienaar sadly his best days are gone, and the probably we wonÂt see Christian Atsu play in an Everton shirt again, if his hamstring has gone and I think it had then your looking at a few weeks, which he will then go to the African Cup and most certainly back to The Bridge so they can loan him out again.
AtsuÂs injury was probably more disappointing than the defeat tonight, a real opportunity for him to show something, instead it just kind of summed up his Everton career so far.
162 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:44:50
163 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:41:55
164 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:38:22
I wasnÂt impressed with McAleny at at. It might be a tad harsh to judge him on one game, but some of his decision making was awful. I can think of two or three occasions where he could have played a simple ball out wide to Garbutt, and one to Kone in the first half but opted to run down a blind alley. Hope we sell him in January for a nominal fee with a decent sell-on if he comes good like Forshaw.
Hope we draw Celtic.
165 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:41:39
I mainly agree with most you say, except IÂd like to have another look at McAleny, but with Kone back and rightly in front of him, thatÂs unlikely to happen.
Browning I think will come through and Ledson I donÂt is 18 months away, more likely (6 months) start of next season, thatÂs not to say regular starter but first team squad member.
I feel if we were short now Â– he could step and up and do a job.
Robles, Atsu and Pienaar Â– fully agree.
166 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:41:40
There is a point at which they are no longer learning from playing youth/reserve football. You give them first team football because it benefits them, not because theyÂre ready to walk into the team. If any of these players are ready to challenge now then weÂve massively neglected their development by not giving them a few tastes over the last couple of years.
Garbutt, to me, is the one who is absolutely ready for first team football. He needs to either get first team minutes or go on loan.
The rest, are fine in the reserves for now. DidnÂt think they did anything wrong but theyÂve got a way to go. Give them the odd bench run in the first team to keep them keen.
167 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:54:53
God forbid we ever have a Munich 58 disaster like Man Utd, our back-up team is impressive enough to compete in EPL. Good footballers are not just bought... but nurtured on home turf. Koodos to the EFC youth academy on tonight's display.
168 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:51:42
169 Posted 11/12/2014 at 23:01:39
I think that teams have worked out that a lot attacking play comes through Coleman and Baines playing high up top. So they're getting extra attention this season. Because of this over reliance on them we've also been left stretched at the back whenever Distin/Alcaraz play. (Hopefully Stones will be back soon.)
So yes, I think we need to start playing with wing backs more or add some creativity to centre midfield, so I'd have also liked to have seen Baines play in the centre midfield in a dead rubber fixture.
170 Posted 11/12/2014 at 23:04:59
171 Posted 11/12/2014 at 22:29:41
Barnett Â– Not a right back. Would like to see how he plays at centre half. Looks composed and strong but poor going forwards.
Garbutt Â– Very impressed. Looks the player that Dick Brady said he was in his much maligned scout reports a while back. A little naÃ¯ve defending at times but will get better with experience. And his dead balls... Class!
Barry Â– Played well enough though I'd only like to see him at the back in an emergency.
Alcaraz Â– Some people praising him tonight. Sorry, I just don't see it. Slow, cumbersome, way too casual with the ball for my liking.
Ledson Â– Unfair criticism by some on here tonight. This boy is just only 17. Showed composure, good positional sense and a willingness to receive the ball. Likes to get stuck in as well. He will be a player.
Pienaar Â– Wasn't great, wasn't shite either. Sub for us now at best.
McAleny Â– Seemed like he was trying to hard. Has got ability no doubt about it,and could maybe have a role as an impact sub. Unfortunately down in the pecking order,and at 22 should probably move on and carve a career somewhere else.
Atsu Â– Started brightly,then got injured. Just don't think it's gonna happen for him at Everton.
Dowell Â– Like the look of this kid. Some nice touches and vision when on the ball. Only slight was not involved for long periods. Again only 17 and with good coaching and attitude could become a gem.
Kone Â– Looked like the player that tore Heitinga a new one at Goodison. Hope it's not a false dawn.
Long Â– Not on for much but showed some good movement. Get him out on loan to a Championship club and see how he gets on.
172 Posted 11/12/2014 at 23:14:24
Robles: One real shot at him.. fucked up & has to go.
Browning (90’ Jones): Smart player. Has potential.. not a bad game.
Alcaraz: Seems to be getting back into the groove after long absence.
Barry: Great playmaker but still fucks up in the D.
Garbutt: Unsung hero, great game and a Leighton’s prodigy
Ledson: Impressive.. just needs more game time
Oviedo: An excellent return after horrific injury... Watch and see this boy excel soon.
Pienaar: He actually enjoyed the game being team captain. Waiting for his confidence boost.
Atsu (10’ Dowell): This guy is done... get him off the payroll asap.
McAleny (80’ Long): Brilliant... another Ross Barkley.
Kone: Always had doubts about him but not after today... true potential striker.
173 Posted 11/12/2014 at 23:13:10
174 Posted 11/12/2014 at 23:16:49
175 Posted 11/12/2014 at 23:21:25
176 Posted 11/12/2014 at 23:19:02
Whilst here they should be fringe players and used sparingly Â– Ossie, Hibbo, Pienaar etc.
They’ve giving us good service but were not good enough to get us where we wanted to be previously, we have won or achieved nothing with them and clearly they aren’t good enough to take us onto the next level.
Being that we want to move on to the next level, I can’t see why some want these players to stay, they’re past it and getting worse as well.
177 Posted 11/12/2014 at 23:28:23
Garbutt’s set pieces were fantastic, and he made some good runs. Defensively he was sound too.
Browning looked very solid, always made the right choices and when he physically imposes himself more in games, I can see him being a decent half.
Ledson worked hard and looked more comfortable as the game wore on,
Barry played well, and although Alcaraz made a few howler passes in the first half, he defended well.
I love how positionally aware Oviedo is, but he got mackerel in the second half, but he’ll get there.
Good work out, only negatives is the loss, Robles’s performance, Atsu’s injury and the cold!!!
178 Posted 12/12/2014 at 00:16:27
179 Posted 12/12/2014 at 00:33:01
Garbutt is excellent and deserves a go in the first team. Time for Baines to try a midfield role to get them both in.
180 Posted 12/12/2014 at 00:29:41
Robles was an embarrassment, he even saved the ball with his nose on one occasion. Seems to not have the basics of goalkeeping sorted.
181 Posted 12/12/2014 at 00:25:02
Also, who would have thought we would be lamenting the loss of Naismith. I always liked and rated him, I thought the criticism of him after his injury was absurd. However, much as I admire him, I think his reputation has improved with injury.
182 Posted 12/12/2014 at 00:11:24
McAleny had to go wide when Astu went off. Oviedo played on the right for some unknown reason, maybe a fitness run as with Barry.
Well done Roberto for giving the young lads the opportunity, ginger nut would not have done the same. Well done the young lads.
183 Posted 12/12/2014 at 00:53:42
184 Posted 12/12/2014 at 00:58:38
185 Posted 12/12/2014 at 01:00:02
No-one is asking for a perfected article while these guys are 17-22 years old. I just wish some (Garbutt aside) would show glimpses of excitement! Glimpses of what we saw out of Deulofeu, glimpses of Ross last year, Rodwell when he was good etc...
But just as a general rule, if you haven’t won a thing at 34 years old like most of our players of that age, well then it’s time to move on because it’s not going to happen with them. Simple really isn’t it?? Not for everyone I guess...
186 Posted 12/12/2014 at 01:17:17
The reason that Everton have these so-called deadwood fringe players is that Everton do not have the finances to make overall transformation of the squad and have to try and build through a youth policy and use whatever transfer monies are available, for quality.
I believe most supporters would be delighted if we could replace the older deadwood players as you call them but, with BK despite working 24/7 (cough-cough) to find a consortium or a buyer with money to spend, we have to go with what we have and hope some of the younger players can force their way into the team.
We do not want to return to the policy of selling our best young players to pay off bank loans or please the smug Sky Pundits.
187 Posted 12/12/2014 at 01:24:20
188 Posted 12/12/2014 at 01:42:32
The amount of quality running and movement from the kids was great and if they had a decent pass to run on to we could have gotten a couple. Stand out performers for me were Kone and Garbutt, with Oviedo and Ledson putting in very good shifts as well. I hope they all play a part on Monday.
189 Posted 12/12/2014 at 03:11:12
190 Posted 12/12/2014 at 04:45:51
191 Posted 12/12/2014 at 05:59:12
192 Posted 12/12/2014 at 07:05:19
Injury time Â– a free kick and an opportunity to pile the box and force a chance, but we put three on the edge of their box, no-one challenging the second ball, and it was cleared Â– and that sums this team irrespective of who is playing up at that moment.
Robles Â– does any one watch him pre-match and at half-time in the PL games? He never practices basic keeping pre-match when there is shooting practice, he just lets everyone score, Half-time and he has a kick about with the goalie coach. If it were me I'd be diving everywhere to show what I can do, but then again judging from what he does when he has an opportunity, it is obvious to see that he can do little.
193 Posted 12/12/2014 at 07:34:08
195 Posted 12/12/2014 at 07:36:48
Browning Â– did okay, bit unfair on the lad if he is a centre half.
Alcaraz Â– did okay, good to have him back.
Barry Â– missed him in midfield given the experience.
Garbutt Â– very positive, he looks a class act in the making.
Ledson Â– grew into the match, good positioning.
Oviedo Â– good to have him back, and goes ahead of Pienaar in pecking order for me.
Pienaar Â– leg strapped, but looks well off the pace. Gone at Xmas?
Atsu Â– took one player, and the did his hamstring. Back at The Bridge come January 1.
McAleny Â– bright, you’d imagine he will make a football career elsewhere given his age.
Kone Â– I was very pleased with his comeback. Get him on the bench over Christmas.
196 Posted 12/12/2014 at 07:31:21
Garbutt was excellent and really whips in those crosses. I was impressed by Ledson too and can see him as a Premier League player in a year or two.
Browning is an imposing lad and I don’t think he did much wrong but he must be a centre-back.
Dowell isn’t there yet but he did show a bit of vision and he’ll definitely improve.
It didn’t really happen for McAleny but surely he should be on loan for game time Â– he’s not going to get past Naismith, Eto’o, Lukaku and Kone for now.
Alcaraz, Oviedo, Kone and Pienaar all look fine for the first team.
Final word for Kone, who looked mobile and impressive Â– let’s hope he stays fit.
197 Posted 12/12/2014 at 08:39:20
Any opportunity for a snide comment heh?
Or is your narrow mindedness affecting your memory.
198 Posted 12/12/2014 at 08:49:46
Robles Â– say no more. What a disaster area!!!!
200 Posted 12/12/2014 at 09:11:53
I understand the restrictions and agree with building youth policy. The point I’m making is that there is better quality players out there than what we have as fringe players that can be found at good market value.
Clubs like Swansea, Stoke, Southampton all seem to find them. Yet we tend to stick with these fringe players.
Besic would one good example of where we have found a gem for excellent market value of ٢M Â– yet it is infrequent.
Martinez spent a large part of the summer transfer fee on one player, hopefully this season he will be able to spread it around more and strengthen the squad.
I agree we don’t want to be selling our best players off.
201 Posted 12/12/2014 at 09:31:33
Anyone know anything Â– does Martinez feel they are not ready yet, can he only play so many youngsters at once without upsetting the balance and or are any of them carrying an injury etc.
202 Posted 12/12/2014 at 09:39:19
I thought he did quite well last night and, also, I can't believe some of the ridiculous comments on here saying Pienaar was crap. Pienaar can bring out the best in players like Baines and Garbutt, dovetailing with them and allowing them to get down the wing. Garbutt was excellent, Ledson got better as the game progressed.
A useful exercise in a dead rubber of a game.
203 Posted 12/12/2014 at 10:20:35
204 Posted 12/12/2014 at 11:28:12
Henen tweeted he and Galloway were not eligible and we're off to London?! Can't shed anymore light!
205 Posted 12/12/2014 at 11:29:38
Look at his goals record for EFC, then look at his assists and maybe then realise he does nothing for us.
Time to move him on while he still has a good name.
206 Posted 12/12/2014 at 11:34:47
The RS did exactly what you said and look at where they are now. They should have addressed Suarez leaving but they didn't, and bought rubbish just to put up numbers in the squad.
We addressed the lack of striking option and bought Lukaku. It's a different argument whether he's worth the money but, in my opinion, we look more of a threat with him in the side, we addressed the striking problem.
Now looking at this summer, I'd say the problem is the centre half and the left wing position. If Roberto spends big on those two positions and keeps the bulk of the squad then I'd be a happy Blue.
207 Posted 12/12/2014 at 11:45:31
208 Posted 12/12/2014 at 12:20:28
What snide remark? if you mean, you cannot see things on TV. That's fact, The camera follows the ball.
Ledson's positional play was very good and you don't see that on TV. If you thought I was having a go, I apoligise.
209 Posted 12/12/2014 at 12:56:15
210 Posted 12/12/2014 at 13:29:02
"Well done Roberto for giving the young lads the opportunity, ginger nut would not have done the same. Well done the young lads."
He then added a link to the 2009 Bate game, where Moyes did the exact same thing as Bobby....5 years before Bobby did it!
211 Posted 12/12/2014 at 13:26:58
Everton can register up to 25 players to be eligible for the competition. Within that 25 man squad, 8 must be must be trained from within the English league system and of those 8, 4 must be trained by the club.
Club-trained players are defined as players who, regardless of their place of birth, have been registered between the ages of 15 and 21 with their current club for a period of three entire seasons or 36 months.
212 Posted 12/12/2014 at 13:34:46
You answer your own point here - they bought rubbish and overpaid for it.
You can spend big or small - its whether the manager knows what he’s doing in the market.
There are players to found at great value - Besic is the perfect example of this as are Coleman, Garbutt etc you don’t have to spend big.
At the same time if a real quality player becomes available that wants to come Everton - please... Bobby, go for it!
However, at no point did I say we should buy rubbish just to add to the squad, what I said was there are better players out there than the fringe old players we have and are keeping at value prices that we could replace them with - and other clubs manage to find them.
I agree and didn’t and don’t have a problem with RM spending large on one player last season - I agree as well that he overpaid for RL but see Lukaku long-term as an integral put of the side.
Last season we spent roughly 㿏m?
The point I was looking to make was its unlikely this season Bob will spend that large on any one player (㿈M) - he could buy 3/5 quality signings with if he has a similar budget this season.
213 Posted 12/12/2014 at 14:02:38
Maybe one day we'll produce a good striker through the academy who doesn't have injury issues (still think Vaughan would have been top class)
214 Posted 12/12/2014 at 14:13:44
Thank you, Makes more sense now.
215 Posted 12/12/2014 at 14:06:17
Ledson is well beyond his years,for someone so young he had a bit of authority about him and has a bit of bite (nastiness) which is good for that holding midfield role. I donÂt think heÂd look out of place in a league game now, thatÂs how much I rate him.
All the speculation at the moment is on Barkley but this lad will have the clubs with money chasing his signature in a few years, IÂve no doubt about that.
Browning has always impressed me when heÂs played at right back and after last nights performance I would choose him over Hibert every day but itÂs as a central defender (his natural position) that I would like to see how he copes. When Coleman is fully fit and we lose a central defender through injury I would like to see Browning given a chance if only to speed up the process of having Browning and Stones as a partnership. And if Galloway is as good as people say we could have a quality young defence for years to come.
All in all it was good viewing for me,the only negative was RoblesÂs mistake and it would of been nice if Browning had been given more applause from the crowd when substituted as he put in yet another first class display.
216 Posted 12/12/2014 at 15:24:41
217 Posted 12/12/2014 at 15:29:33
218 Posted 12/12/2014 at 15:39:01
Surely addressing the striking problem is getting a striker that scores goals, not a striker that threatens to score but fails? We could have got Balotelli for 10 mill cheaper if that's what we wanted.
219 Posted 12/12/2014 at 15:47:37
220 Posted 12/12/2014 at 16:18:02
More important was that the experienced players played well (except Robles). Kone's control is excellent. Barry back to his normal assured display. Pienaar looked good. Oviedo getting back into it.
And some good experience for the young lads. Garbutt - say no more. Ledson, for 17 looked steady enough. McAleny is my only concern.
So what's not to like.
221 Posted 12/12/2014 at 16:47:04
Now I've always rated our Tim as the best goalkeeper outside the 'top 4' and have held the belief that goalkeepers get remembered for their errors and an otherwise excellent performance in a game can be forgotten. So I've always given Tim a bit of slack, but this story is enough for me to conclude it's time for an immediate change between the sticks.
The errors are getting more and more. Added to that, from the top of my head, his save-to-shot ratio is the poorest at something like 37.1%, which gives credence to what Martinez was saying the other week about the opposition getting one chance and scoring.
Also, after seeing yet again how inept Robles is, even at the basics (not covering the near post enough on the goal last night), I'm starting to think that we really do need to get a quality keeper in fast, along with centre half and a winger to replace Atsu.
222 Posted 12/12/2014 at 17:20:25
223 Posted 12/12/2014 at 17:44:10
Tim Howard has always been a flapper but is also one of the best shotstoppers around.
I don't think he is as good as he was but he is certainly good enough for the Prem.
The problem with the statistics is they reflect on the keeper when the team selection and tactics as well as individual defensive mistakes all contribute to this.
224 Posted 12/12/2014 at 17:55:13
I don't think I've jumped on the bandwagon for Howard to be ousted because I've always appreciated him in excelling at shot stopping. I've been placing the blame with the liability Distin has become, but that said, Howard has become more error prone this season, and as you said, not as good as he used to be. The statistics in that Independent article have just swayed me into believing we now need a good keeper in January (either a direct replacement or someone to challenge Howard more than Robles) rather than waiting until in the summer.
225 Posted 12/12/2014 at 18:41:49
Howard must stay in the team because Robles is useless. Great to see Kone back and looking strong and eager; we are going to need him over the Christmas period.
226 Posted 12/12/2014 at 18:37:05
How exactly is he going to manage that? He's cost us about seven million quid thus far.
I think Kone himself would settle for staying healthy enough to start to making a meaningful contribution.
227 Posted 12/12/2014 at 18:37:11
On yesterday's goal: whilst criticism of Robles is probably fair, it was pointed out several times by the pundits (far too much perhaps..) that Pienaar didn't help in the build up to the goal as he was pointing to Garbutt to keep an eye on the wide man instead of moving inside to mark/track the runner, the one that Pienaar let run through to score. You have to assume, if Garbutt had moved inside, the goal may not have happened.
Anyway, quite a good performance from the young ones. I agree with earlier comments about trying to give McAleny a game and that, at his age, I thought perhaps for his own benefit and career, if he wasn't likely to be getting many games, he should move on. I forgot about the injuries he had; at 22 he has years ahead of him to prove his worth.
228 Posted 12/12/2014 at 20:28:10
More and more, I see why the lifelong Evertonians feel about BK.
229 Posted 14/12/2014 at 13:33:14
What was that dance move masquerading as a save for their goal? Wouldn't have looked out of place in the West End! Maybe that's where BK found him!
Who was that dreadful injury-prone goalie we had that fell out of his loft at home and hurt his shoulder, and landed on the A board when jumping in the goalmouth during a warm up and went off injured?!
230 Posted 14/12/2014 at 14:45:36
231 Posted 14/12/2014 at 15:43:17
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