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Martinez “could not be prouder”

14/01/2015  Comments (92)  jump

Roberto Martinez has expressed his pride at the way his depleted team took West Ham to the wire in the cup replay at Upton Park and almost prevailed before suffering defeat on penalties.

The Blues played 65 minutes of the game a man short after Aiden McGeady was shown a second yellow card in the 56th minute but Kevin Mirallas came off the bench to inspire a superb reversal of the game.

Unfortunately, poor marking at a corner with eight minutes to go in extra time led to West Ham equalising and taking the tie to penalties where Hammers goalkeeper Adrian scored the decisive spot kick.

It is heartbreaking because you have the hardest role when you go down to 10 men for such a long period," the manager said.

I thought we were the better side. We created really, really good opportunities and probably we should have taken one or two before the one we scored.

In terms of the performance and the character and the phases of good football that we showed, I couldn't be prouder.

After Mirallas's brilliant free kick had brought the Blues level in the 82nd minute, Romelu Lukaku had scored two minutes before the end of the first half of extra time and Joel Robles had kept West Ham at bay with a string of saves, it felt like it was going to be the Blues' night.

But Lady Luck would favour the home side on the night as Robles smashed Everton's ninth penalty of the shootout onto the crossbar, setting his compatriot and opposite number up to score the winner.

Sometimes in football you feel you are going to get what you deserve but clearly we were unfortunate in the penalty shootout today, when it was a lottery, Martinez continued.

From the support that we had from our away end, to the desire of players coming on as subs and adapting to the flexibility of the tactics, I couldn't be prouder.  

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Brian Porter
1 Posted 14/01/2015 at 05:55:43
Proud or not, we lost again. Yes, we played well but still didn’t put away the good chances we created, and their equalizer was another defensive nightmare.

I can’t see where the next win is coming from as yet again we had the lead, less than ten minutes to go, and failed to close the game out. I’m still very worried as this defeat, after laying better than we have for weeks, (months), could have a detrimental psychological effect on the players.

Oh, and McGeady was an idiot, who left his teammates short handed due to his stupidly rash challenge when he’d already had his card marked, undoing all the hard work the others had contributed.

Can’t help but feel we might not have conceded the equalizer if Besic was still on the field, as he might have been if Kev had been used as a sub for McGeady. Instead, because we were a man short, Besic was pulled to bring Kev on, weakening the central midfield.

Seb Niemand
2 Posted 14/01/2015 at 07:04:48
I could think of a way he could have been prouder. By winning.
Paul Holden
3 Posted 14/01/2015 at 07:12:52
Stop whining and get behind the team, FFS
Pete Edwards
4 Posted 14/01/2015 at 07:16:15
Brian and Seb did you not watch the game?! Behave yourselves will you. And Brian to have a pop at not winning then give a reason for why we didnt just makes me think you know very little
great performance fom all even mcgeady first half and Robles looked a keeper too!
Liam Reilly
5 Posted 14/01/2015 at 07:25:26
I thought it was a great football tie; end to end with 10 men and we were unlucky in the shootout.

McGeady gets a one game ban for 2 yellows; is it possible to get that extended to 3?

Marcus Reynolds
6 Posted 14/01/2015 at 07:31:15
Great battling performance to the end.haveing to defend for nearly an hour with 10 men will take its toll on everybody.MCgeady contributes nothing to the team and should be off loaded ASAP.would of been nice to go through but having one less competition means we can now consintrate on our league position.
Mike Price
7 Posted 14/01/2015 at 07:41:24
Robles did well until the penalties...I've never seen a keeper go so consistently early, it was ridiculous. The West Ham players must have noticed, and it became way too easy for them.

Naismith is very limited and I can't believe he was given that stupid 3 year extension, McGeady was rash but his confidence is shot, Barkley had his worst game of the season, the ref was a blatant homer, we never get any luck when it influences a big result and I'm worried sick that after 3 decent efforts we've still not won and we're a couple of defeats away from a major crisis.

Simon George
8 Posted 14/01/2015 at 07:48:18
"Heartbreaking", "I couldn't be prouder", yet more unnecessary hyperbolic statements after another loss. I could probably put up with it if it were not on the back of a run of form that has us in the relegation zone in the form guide.

Then another of his mantras: "I thought we were the better side". You can think what you want but the facts most definitely prove otherwise.

Ian Jones
9 Posted 14/01/2015 at 07:29:08
We might have lost the game from a winning position but the team showed a fighting spirit to get back into the game in the first place and go ahead as well. Disappointing to go out but no disgrace. Took the game seriously. No half hearted measures with giving young players getting a game. Unchanged team from the weekend which was useful from a settled side point of view.

Robles has surprised me. Done well in the games he has played.

Can't work out Mirallas. On his day. Brilliant.

Like many of us I just wish we didn't give the ball away as often as we do. Most if not all the players are guilty of it sometimes. I am sure those on this site who play or have played will have made similar errors or be guilty of poor decision making. Alot of it is simply down to lack of confidence rather than ability.

It will be a pity if we lose Eto'o who it appears may be on his way. We don't know the circumstances but shame that he wasn't included in the squad last night. Potential move or not. He is an Everton player so would have been available for selection.

I imagine he would rather be playing regularly at this stage of his career which is fair enough. In some of the matches I have seen him play in, his thought process has been 2 to 3 steps ahead of the rest of the players. Played some tremendous balls in to 'feet' expecting a run from someone who hasn't been on same wavelength. Imagine he is frustrated at the way his and our season has gone.

Brian Porter
10 Posted 14/01/2015 at 07:56:01
Agree with you Seb. Pete #4. I have supported Everton since I was six years old, so thatÂ’s 56 years and counting. IÂ’ve seen the good, the bad and the ugly over the years, and I am always 100% behind the team, but, one win in 11 games speaks for itself. It is perfectly reasonable to support the team but at the same time recognise when things are not right.

All IÂ’m saying is, yes, we played well, but still lost, and just how many defeats will it take for us to realise we are in trouble? We desperately need to start winning games, not playing well and coming away with a defeat or Â’A creditable drawÂ’.

I was there as a teenager in 66 when we came back from 2-0 down to Sheff Weds, to win the FA Cup. That was the kind of fighting spirit we need in every game now. Is Roberto the man to inspire such performances? I just donÂ’t think he is.

Jim Bennings
11 Posted 14/01/2015 at 08:38:54
It's always "heroic failure" with Everton FC though isn't it?

We never get ourselves over the line by WINNING..
Its ok patting ourselves on the back after last night's performance despite conceding our usual favourite goals at corners (we will never learn?)

All I can see is we are having our worst season in recent memory here..

No wins hardly
Out of both cups already (forget the Europa, not a cat in hells chance)

And a tram that can't keep clean sheets for toffee..

The fact remains...

Were we not shite last week at home to West Ham and for the first hour last night again in all honesty?

Derek Thomas
12 Posted 14/01/2015 at 08:04:49
Near; is only effective in throwing hand grenades and playing horseshoes. No win in our 3 game 'improvement '. Yes; 3 times we went behind and came back, not a thing we have done very often of late. But we still manage to cock it up at the last.

Slight improvement since Hull, but we are out of the Cup and 1 Pt. nearer the bottom than we were after Hull.

One game at a time Roberto... we have to start averaging better than the 1pt. per game we are now.

WBA, Palace away, RS, Chelsea away, (Young Boys H) Leicester, (Young Boys away) Arsenal away... 6 games, how many points do YOU think we will get... I'm going with 8.

Unless we can build on the team effort it will go down to the wire

Oh and start practicing defending set pieces and general organisation.

Jim Bennings
13 Posted 14/01/2015 at 08:50:45
#a team
Jim Bennings
14 Posted 14/01/2015 at 09:11:25
We also miss out on the money now from a potential live match in the next round..

Can't be pleasing Kenwright the way it's gone this season.

Jim Bennings
15 Posted 14/01/2015 at 09:18:50
It's all ifs buts and maybe but in the possible worst case scenario, justice's happens if we fail to beat West Brom next Monday night?

For me a draw is no use whatsoever under the circumstances because we have been on such a woeful run of form, if we fail to win, especially given the fixtures we have on the horizon, can anyone see our defence holding out in games at Palace (they really put you under at Selhurst Park) the derby, where we all know that the Everton mental block prevails over the day, and then away at Chelsea?

The West Brom game is a huge game for Martinez.

As I said yesterday, how long can you get away without winning matches?
Its results orientated business and if our current form continues for another three or four games...what then?

James Martin
16 Posted 14/01/2015 at 09:12:45
Great emotional game but fundamentally we couldn't beat West Ham over 220 minutes of football. Any other season that would not be tolerated.

Again we conceded first even with 11 men. Again we only looked like scoring after we'd conceded. Again we missed three of the easiest chances you will ever see to take the game away from them. Again we are undone by a set piece because we couldn't hold on. Rollercoaster game yes, passion and energy yes, but game management, winning mentality and quality under pressure? Very very little. Again Everton football club explore every possible way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

The motto should read 'Nothing but glorious failure is good enough'.

20 years and I'm still waiting for one day in the sun. One trophy win, one away derby win (id even take a home one now), one away win at a top side (Moyes united didnt count). One win in a big game we're not expected to win, one good run in the league cup. After watching for a quarter of a cenrury is it really that much to ask?! Clearly it is for the specialists in failure.

You just knew we'd lose the penalties as well.

Brian Hennessy
17 Posted 14/01/2015 at 09:25:08
After all the debate about our team’s formation we finally found out last night our best way to set up.

Forget your 4-4-2, or your 4-3-3 – based on last night we should start every game with 10 men!!!

On a serious note, very proud of the performance last night, we certainly didn’t deserve to lose and were a million times better that some recent displays.

John Keating
18 Posted 14/01/2015 at 09:23:14
Extremely pleased to see that we are slowly getting back to where we should be. It looks as if the fight, pressing and desire is returning and long may it continue. Trying to be smart playing out from the back – Stones – nearly cost us and his marking for the first goal took away from a great performance from the youngster.

Well done to the players for approaching Martinez to mix up the style of play. His remark that West Ham never looked like scoring from open play only set pieces I found quite strange and a sad indictment that we don't practise set bloody pieces!!

Bryan Oviedo HAS to start next game when he came on I thought he got about the pitch "phenomenally". Young Ross should join Sterling in Jamaica for a bit of a holiday.

Jamie Barlow
19 Posted 14/01/2015 at 09:16:29
I don't think anyones pleased with how this seasons gone Jim. I think we can all see a huge improvement overall in the last 3 games though.

West Brom on Monday is a massive game and one we have to win.

Until the last kick last night I really enjoyed it. It was a cracking FA Cup tie. I thought for a moment that the footballing gods were smiling on our two Belgian lads but obviously not. We must have upset those fuckers big time somehow.

Every player put in a shift last night including McGeady who was probably our most dangerous player in the first half. Pity he only has half a brain. I was also pleasantly surprised with Robles. His commanding of his box, his punching, catching, kicking and saves were all first class.

My only gripe was Barkley who needs a huge kick up his arse and Stones who although played well against a beast of a player was at fault for both goals.

Anyway, 3 points on Monday please.

Nigel Gregson
20 Posted 14/01/2015 at 10:04:04

What I liked was the fightback from 10 men, without actually parking the bus. That was the big difference between a character filled fighting come back v/s a smart tactical team that likes to play football and kills games. We could have easily scored 4 goals with slightly better finishing. During the extra time, quite often we looked like the home team and we had them on the mat, with just 10 players, and at their home ground.

Make no mistakes, this team is evolving. Sure the results aren't there on the scoreboard in the last couple of months, but on the pitch I see the change and I like the direction we are headed.

Christine Foster
21 Posted 14/01/2015 at 10:32:07
Jesus Christ... what is the matter with you lot? This was an excellent performance that was a significant improvement on recent weeks. Direct, sharp and committed.. its what we have been looking for all season and still its not enough ..
We lost.. yep but we lost in a lottery not on the pitch. We played well, some very good performances all round and yes we still made mistakes but its clear we have turned a corner and the tippy tappy has been supplemented with a lot of long balls seeking penetration.
Look beyond this result and take the good out of a few things for a change, it will do half of you good.
Howard Parr
22 Posted 14/01/2015 at 10:23:10
Jamie #19 - absolutely bang on the money.
Anyone not seeing this improved attitude/approach must be trying very hard to not see it. Yes - the results run is horrendous,and glorious defeat sucks.... but my belief in the players has gone up massively over the last 8 days.
Agree that next Monday is shaping up to be the biggest game in a long long time.
Backing the team/the club will maximise our chances.
All blue hands to the pumps please!
Ant Summers
23 Posted 14/01/2015 at 10:40:55
Just got out of bed after long haul back, never got to bed till 5am, and you know what, we have to take that im happy to, but the attitude desire will to play for each other is there to see, unlucky but that is sport sometimes the best team on the park don't always win,,,,and those who are moaning, just get behind the team and Martinez, we aint going down, not even close on the last few draws(at 90 mins), but we will easily climb to 10th, maybe even better. However if we get behind the team, they may give us something to shout about in Europe, we need a goalie, we need another CH, thats all we need. 1 player who needs to wake up and stop sucking himself Ross Barkley, he can do one on that performance, we need men in this squad, not spoilt brats. Yes thats Right Barkley, get your hands dirty and work or piss off.
Al Reddish
24 Posted 14/01/2015 at 10:46:57
I was proud of the effort put in last night. Granted our marking for the equaliser was poor, however, we were down on numbers and the lads were knackered. McGeady has hopefully played his last game for us. He put more effort into tracking back last night, but his general all round play is not up to Premier League standard. He has been here a year and has still to complete 90 minutes which tells it's own story.
The worrying thing for me last night was Barkley. I am not here to 'bash' him, but I thought the effort he put in was disgraceful. He is still making the mistakes he made last year but this season he doesn't seem much of a team player. There was no desire to get back and help out his team mates, he never picked anyone up to mark when they had set pieces and just wandered aimlessly around the pitch without breaking sweat, waiting for the ball to land at his feet before trying to take on the whole West Ham team himself, losing possession, and watching as his team mates fought to get the ball back. Barry had a better game yesterday so maybe McCarthy can slot in next to him when fit, and Besic can take Barkleys place a little further up the pitch. Special mention to Robles last night who is starting to look like there is a very good keeper in there somewhere trying to break out.
Andrew Clare
25 Posted 14/01/2015 at 10:47:42
Yes it was a good spirited performance but let's not forget that we were hardly playing against a top class side.
Undoubtedly we have improved over the last three games but we still look very fragile.
I just can't see where the next win is coming from. WBA will be fired up by Pulis, Palace likewise by Pardew ( we hardly win in London anyway) so I am not optimistic.
If Martinez does get through this bad patch successfully ( and I hope he does) things could be great for us but at the moment it is looking more and more unlikely that he will.
I know it's not going to happen but we really do need two key signings in this window to boost the team.
A commanding central defender and an all action midfielder are desparately required.
Ant Summers
26 Posted 14/01/2015 at 11:00:07
AL, spot on about Barkley, as I put in my post, all of us behind that goal was of the same opinion..his work rate stinks, and some of us let him know, agents, papers, television pumping him up, but graft not just bits of craft is what we require, on his last few performances, id get rid of him if he is not willing to put a shift in, he is being carried, lazy big head imo.
Mark Fitzgerald
27 Posted 14/01/2015 at 10:50:50
First of all it was a great game of football last night, surely a joy for all neutral viewers and an FA cup tie at it's finest. The loss was gutting but the performance, especially with 10 men, was hugely encouraging. Some impressions that I take from that game:
Robles - Not as bad as we feared but pretty poor during the shootout.
Stones - Moments of anxiety (and mistakes) but still our CB of the future.
Besic - Another solid effort. Can't understand why he was subbed, a mistake in my eyes.
MacGeady - Began the game well but as usual he undoes any good work with clangers. Not a starter for me.
Nasimith - As usual a committed and action packed effort. But limited impression and lacking a bit of guile.
Barkley - Very poor. Deserved to be taken off sooner. Not sure whats wrong but Martinez needs to fix it badly.
Team needs to take encouragement from that game and drive on. Expecting a confidence building win on Monday.
Al Reddish
28 Posted 14/01/2015 at 11:05:49
I think Barkley needs dropping and made to watch how a limited player like Naismith, has made himself virtually un-droppable through sheer hard work and determination. Ross is blessed with more skill than Naismith can even dream of, but if he is not prepared to work hard for the benefit of the team, he should be nowhere near it. He should sit it out for a couple of weeks and reflect on why someone with his huge natural ability is not able to get into the team he has dreamed about playing for since the day he learned to walk. It seems to have done the job for Lukaku who is starting to look like the player we know he can be.
Andrew Ellams
29 Posted 14/01/2015 at 11:21:57
Barkley needs to be dropped by England. Maybe that will give him the kick up the pants he needs
Steve King
30 Posted 14/01/2015 at 11:15:24
Andrew #25 A glance at the table shows west ham in 7th and 3 points off the top four. I agree they are not top class but they are playing very well and are full of confidence. To come back from a goal down, despite having 10 men, and almost win it in extra time was fantastic.

My biggest gripe over the past few months has been the lack of fight or spirit in the team as we surrendered in games all to easily.
The two West Ham games and the City game haven't produced a win, but they have produced gritty and determined comebacks that will have eased a lot of peoples concerns, including mine.
If (and I admit it is a big if) we can show that sort of fight against WBA and Palace then surely we will start to pick up more points.

Ant Summers
31 Posted 14/01/2015 at 11:19:37
Ross Barkley, could end up like another multi talented young player Ravel Morrison, both born with abundance of skill, Morrison is a little bit further down the road of being lazy wrong attitude player,Ross Barkley is already at the top of that slippery slope, he should be taken out the squad for a few weeks, and told to play with the under 21 team, No-one is bigger than EFC, I wish he had the same work rate as Harry Kane.
Phil Walling
32 Posted 14/01/2015 at 11:22:59
Well, Roberto is easily satisfied so this outpouring of praise will come as no surprise. That he - and we - congratulate the boys on all-out effort shows how low our aspirations have fallen. That attribute should be a given in every game.

Returning to reality, Sky are now including Everton in all tables and stats relating to 'the relegation battle'- so those who continue to say it couldn't happen should be aware that we are plum bottom of many of the key indicators of doom.

Scuffled draws will probably be enough to save us, so lets hope current
'form'continues. Says much for our aspirations, doesn't it ?

Milos Milenkovic
33 Posted 14/01/2015 at 11:09:54
Andrew #25, I agree with most of the things you said, but if we can't beat WBA and Crystal Palace, than we deserve to be at the bottom.
Ant Summers
34 Posted 14/01/2015 at 11:40:04
100% we will beat WBA, and tickets are still availabe, so get down and support your team. Positivity from the stands thats what we need, as for CP they are a diffrent side, especially at home, Id be happy with a point, but I fully expect to beat Liverpool with last nights attitude, as for statistics, stick them were the sun don't shine. However there is 1, look at the goals we have scored column.
Geoff Worrall
36 Posted 14/01/2015 at 11:15:02
A much better performance than in previous games. At last we showed some fight and spirit when down to ten men.

McGready is far too lightweight and offers little threat in this level of football. He should have been substituted well before his dismissal.

My greatest concern is with Ross who again last night showed how alarmingly his contribution in key matches has dwindled. Where is the energy, determination and hunger? If ever a player seems lost, itÂ’s him and his impact in recent games has been negligible. Somehow the coaching staff need to examine how to help him to recover his confidence. At present, he does not merit selection!

Just one other point: when will our front men learn the offside rules and look along the line of the defenders? Massive must-win game on Monday with no excuses!

Gerard Carey
37 Posted 14/01/2015 at 12:23:52
We really need a commanding centrehalf, Carroll gave our two centrebacks a hard time last night. Jags is too quiet and Stones is more of a sweeper.We need someone who is dominant in the air at both ends of the pitch and with a bit of a nasty streak to boot.
Ian Burns
38 Posted 14/01/2015 at 12:11:04
Full of pride after that performance last night and was heartbroken when that final pen went in. To play with such determination and no lack of skill with ten men was as tremendous as it was surprising with special praise reserved for Robles.

BK will be drooling over a CL spot this morning!

All that said - my concerns remain about the management of Ross; Eto probably going to get a game with a team who might just try him out as a striker and a manager who praises his players for adapting to a change in tactics when we all know it was player driven.

However that might just be the turning point which may turn this apprentice manager into a craftsman and if so and EFC are the beneficiaries then bring it on and let's see the results of this mini turnaround into 6 pets over the coming two games!

Andrew Flanagan
39 Posted 14/01/2015 at 12:57:17
Ant Summers. Why do you fully expect us to beat Liverpool? Have you seen the league table, the way we defend and our record against them?
James Marshall
40 Posted 14/01/2015 at 13:04:29
Two words - Ryan Shawcross. He'd be a great signing for us. Love him or loathe him, he's a nasty fucker and has plenty to say.
Ant Summers
41 Posted 14/01/2015 at 13:19:55
Andrew, I was there in the ground, behind the goal when Andy King burried an absolute cracker, never ever has a team been in a more miserable situation than the EFC team that day, LFC were just about the top 3 in Europe, never since that day have I ever thought we would not beat the kopites at goodison..and did you watch them at home to Leicester, away to Sunderland(2nd half), away to Wimbledon...we are not talking about a side of the late 70's, they are at 6s and 7s at times, yes I think we will beat them, and I bet there are plenty on here who think the same, I am more concerned about Crystal Palace.
Jamie Crowley
43 Posted 14/01/2015 at 13:41:50
Christine @21 -

Very happy to see you post and absolutely spot on!

Look beyond this result and take the good out of a few things for a change, it will do half of you good.

Gary Heywood
45 Posted 14/01/2015 at 13:51:52
Terrible mismanagement by RM to play McGeady instead of Mirallas from the start.
Jamie Crowley
46 Posted 14/01/2015 at 14:09:30
Too much beer while watching the game last night - everything looks like it's italicized!
Kunal Desai
47 Posted 14/01/2015 at 14:16:47
Just bumped into Ray Parlour and Mike 'Pork' Parry. They were both off their trollies so couldn't talk Everton.
David Harrison
48 Posted 14/01/2015 at 14:13:33
Having witnessed us 1st hand at Hull I am delighted that we are now showing a bit of fight. However, that doesn't let the manager off the hook. We don't look like keeping a clean sheet, seemingly have no interest in improving our defence at corners and play McGeady in preference to Mirallas. Proud of their efforts I am but shouldn't we be asking why that monumental effort still couldn't see us over the line? I hope we blow WBA away but anything other than a victory would seriously concern me.
Scott Robinson
49 Posted 14/01/2015 at 14:26:12
Ummm... I think this site or wherever said that Mirallas wasn't/hasn't been fully fit since the QPR match. Explains why he has been subbed, sitting on the bench. Obviously Mirallas was the difference last night and our hand was forced going one down and what a good sub it was.

We can only trust the manager who watches and speaks to the players day-in and day-out, unlike us readers. Give him a break on this one!

James Stewart
50 Posted 14/01/2015 at 14:44:56
Proud in defeat. Quintessential Martinez. That will read as harsh as after all it was an improved performance. Problem is anything would be an improvement over the totally unacceptable performances against Southampton, Stoke and Hull. 3 defeats. No goals scored. Shameful.

Yesterday was improved yes but still careless. We still canÂ’t defend set plays and this should be worked on although we all know it wonÂ’t be. If I hear Martinez cite Â’Open playÂ’ one more time I think I will break my TV. Set pieces are a big part of football especially when games are decided on such small margins. If I neglected such a big part of my work I would be hauled up and dismissed. Guess what Roberto we concede from a set piece pretty much every game so pull your bloody finger out!

I firmly wanted him dismissed after the Hull game. Nothing has changed as I donÂ’t have faith in his ideology. Some players and managers are born winners and IÂ’m afraid RM just isnÂ’t. After Fat SamÂ’s comments pre match I thought Martinez might go for the big convincing win to silence the doubts but ultimately we failed to beat West Ham home or away. He has also been tactically outdone by the likes of Pardew, Hughes and Bruce. Unacceptable in my book for a manager of our great club.

David Israel
51 Posted 14/01/2015 at 14:53:17
Out of the F.A. Cup in the 3rd Round, trying no to get too close to the relegation zone, knocked out of the League Cup a long time ago - so long, I can't even remember who put us out. Were it not for a very good performance in the Europa League, this would be one of our worst seasons in memory, almost going back to the days of Walter Smith.

That is why I can't really enthuse about last evening's "gutsy performance". We need a break, certainly, but we also need to stop missing easy goals and conceding them from set pieces.

And all we needed now was to play a team managed by Tony Pulis...

Brian Hill
53 Posted 14/01/2015 at 15:14:01
Christine Foster, you open your comment with "Jesus Christ". Please keep your blasphemy in your head where it might amuse you.
John Keating
54 Posted 14/01/2015 at 15:25:57
Brian don't be an arsehole !
Je suis Christine !
Kevin Tully
55 Posted 14/01/2015 at 15:33:52
I can feel a whole new thread coming on!
Andrew Ellams
56 Posted 14/01/2015 at 15:33:31
Brian, is that really what offends you the most on here? Do you follow the live forum?
Phil Sammon
57 Posted 14/01/2015 at 15:36:30
Brian Hill

Aren't you going to have a go at David Isreal too?

Ben Jones
58 Posted 14/01/2015 at 15:35:26
The key is the next game.

We've showed some fight in the last 3 games and played decent in all of them against two good sides.

I don't care if West Brom have got Pulis in charge and they're on a high or not, we're playing on Monday with plenty of time to rest after yesterday, we have to win the game. Anything less than a win and were back to square one again.

Andrew Clare
59 Posted 14/01/2015 at 15:41:24
Do you know Ben 58# people will be saying the same thing about the Palace game and the game after that etc etc.If we fail to get at least 4 points out of the next two games we will be really up against it.
Martinez will be on very rocky ground.
Tony Marsh
60 Posted 14/01/2015 at 15:41:52
Why can’t someone from our club go down to FA or the Premier League HQ and put in a complaint with video evidence to back it up with regards to terrible referees singling us out every week without fail? It’s gone on for years now... but has now become more than just a gripe about officials. It’s a scandal. Last night was disgusting.

It appears that someone somewhere has given the nod for us to get shafted every game by the twats in the middle... and No – it doesn’t even itself out over a season, like they say on telly.

As for the football, it hardly matters when we are not getting any assistance from the officials and are continually up against it with dodgy pens and other important decisions.

I am sick to death of it... If it went on in Italy, there would be corruption investigations by the week. English refs are the most bent in the world. They are shit scared to give anything against teams they are told to protect. It’s a disgrace and we are always the fall guys.

Ben Jones
61 Posted 14/01/2015 at 16:43:11
Agreed Andrew, what I said may be a little cliche, but we havent won in god knows how long.

We performed relatively well against better sides than West Brom, so Im just hoping we don't bottle it at home against them on Monday.

Jim Bennings
62 Posted 14/01/2015 at 16:47:09
We have won just TWO domestic matches since we won 3-1 at Burnley on October 26..WOW!!

That's a shocking stat that is.

Andrew Ellams
63 Posted 14/01/2015 at 16:53:57
And only 2 before it Jim, 5 in total in 24 domestic matches
David Barks
64 Posted 14/01/2015 at 16:50:19
We're taking moral victories from a loss to West Ham now? My God, how far we've fallen. We still can't win a match, WE CAN NOT WIN. We drew 2 matches in a row, both at home, and people were celebrating as if we were back in the Top 4.

So the team played hard, isn't that what they're supposed to do? We still lost because we can't defend set pieces. We got a lead and were unable to hold it. We're still 3 points off of relegation, 3 points.

Peter Bell
65 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:07:16
Ant Summers @41 what the hell you on about

" I was there in the ground, behind the goal when Andy King burried an absolute cracker, never ever has a team been in a more miserable situation than the EFC team that day

That Everton team that day had not lost a game home or away all season before that game, I believe it was something like 19 unbeaten, we didnt lose a game until the Saturday before Christmas

Matthew Williams
66 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:16:58
Technically we are now unbeaten in our last three 90 min games, Of course the league table is a slight worry but we are looking much better and I am confident for the rest of the season. I would have loved to have gone through to the 4th round but to even make the penalty shoot out with ten men was a phenomenal effort!!.

I find it sad people still slag off Martinez, in my eyes he got it all right yesterday. I would have preferred Mirallas to have started but he is nursing an injury and it was probably the right thing to do not to start with him. I actually thought McGeady played quite well up to his sending off.

Lets just hope all the effort and ultimate disappointment doesn't effect the lads for the next game.

Denis Richardson
67 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:14:19
After all is said and done this game was never going to be the deciding factor whether Martinez gets things sorted or not. It was a great game and unfortunately we didn't get anything out of it but we were lucky to get a replay in the first place. Can't really complain after being 10 men down for so long and taking it to penalties.

No EL for over a month and we have massive 4 league games until then with no excuses of tiredness from cup games.

West Brom, Palace, RS and Chelsea coming up and we need to be looking to get at least 5 points from these games to put daylight befween us and the drop zone. We'll then still have the likes of Leceister and Burnley at home still to come so assuming we can get points from West Brom and Palace (at least) then we won't have issues re relegation. Our last win was on the 15th December, so an entire month ago!

No pressure Roberto but you really need to get 3 points under the lights on Monday.

Really wish he would play Ovideo AML in the next game instead of again playing Naismith or Barkley out wide. McGeady suspended for the West Brom game I think.

Peter Gorman
68 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:22:49
To all the cheerleaders on ToffeeWeb; It is possible to be both proud of the players for their improvement on recent form and apoplectic that we are reduced to clutching at such straws.

Does a gutsy performance gloss over the fact that we canÂ’t win? Genuinely canÂ’t. We have been on this downward spiral since the fiasco of pre-season.

And before you complain that people on here told you so, remember that they told you so.

Jim Bennings
69 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:32:00

I understand your positivity but for me out of the last three matches which have ended up all square, only in the Man City any positives appeared for me.

We were poor in the vast majority of the home match against West Ham and only really woke up in the last four minutes.

Last night we conceded the first goal yet again when it was 11 v 11 and the match was littered with the usual mistakes defensively that have torn apart our season.

Individual errors such as Stones in the first half, poor defending from setpieces and yet again just like in the home match against West Ham, we conceded two from corners, this is a massive ongoing problem that looks no closer to being sorted.

Yes we fought well but as some other post have pointed out, should we have not done that week in week out?
Maybe then we may not have totally wasted this season that back in August promised so so much rather than a battle near the bottom of the table and elimination in the first stage of BOTH domestic cups for the first time since the 1960's.

I'm sorry but the only thing that will get me thinking we have turned the corner is WINS..clean sheets, better defending and less self destruct schoolboy mistakes in virtually every match I have seen us play this season.

Until then, I'm sorry but immensely proud??


Phil Rodgers
70 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:31:35
There is a clearly divided opinion at the moment on Martinez and it was brutal on the live forum last night.

I made the mistake of mentioning the 1 win in 12 stat not long after the last penalty and I got cyber-lynched.

The facts and statistics are frightening at the moment and I guess its too much for some people.

Clive Rogers
71 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:39:55
The next game is pivotal now, and if that doesn't go well, the next one is even more pivotal.
Peter Gorman
72 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:47:12
Steve @30

Yes, West ham are in 7th place and 3 points off the top four; but based on previous form and talent who should be there, Everton or West Ham?

That is essentially why many fans are not getting overly excited about a 'glorious' defeat. Had enough of them, thanks. If that makes me a whiner then fine, but if others are satisfied with things as they are what does that make them I wonder.

Jim Bennings
73 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:56:23

Your right mate!

You can't disguise the clear lack of wins this season.

People don't like seeing the facts because sometimes the truth hurts and can be frightening.

We haven't won matches ALL season.
We have had three successive draws, played relatively well from the 70 minute mark last night, were poor before it.
Played well against City fair enough but at home to West Ham we were pretty poor again for the vast majority of it.

Do we look any closer to keeping clean sheets or winning a match?
It seems when we take the lead (which isn't exactly too often) we haven't got a clue how to see it out.
Our defence cracks under the slightest pressure I'm most games.

I posted earlier on, how much longer will we be able to tolerate this kind of form of no wins, no clean sheets??

It has got to improve from next Monday, it simply has to.

Sam Hoare
74 Posted 14/01/2015 at 15:27:32
Better. But ultimately fruitless.

It's crunch time now. West Brom at home. Palace away. Liverpool at home.

Fail to win any of these and I think I may have to start looking for tickets for the Martinez out bandwagon.

Kenwright will be unwilling to shift the new manager and rightly so but if we sink any further down the league then his hand may become forced.

I suspect we will turn the corner soon enough and rally to 9th/10th in the league and the quarter finals of the Europa. Is that good enough to merit giving Senor Bob another crack next season? Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps it will depend on the nature of the performances.

Michael Polley
75 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:52:26
My nerves were shattered last night, but I'm proud. The truth be told the performance was more important than the result. With only 10 men we showed character and a die hard spirit.

.Everyone put a shift in with the exception of McGeady who was a twat.
Pleasantly surprised at Robles. Seems to be gaining confidence

Ok we're out of the cup - a penalty shoot out is always going to be a lottery, but our league position has to be a priority.

Hopefully we have turned the corner and can start adding some wins to our season. With the spirit show last night we will be ok.

We played with pride, and I saw glimpses of 'The Dogs of War' mentality.
Yes our defence is leaking goals, but get behind this team. They are our team, and I was a proud Evertonian last night despite the nail biting disappointment.We showed character,and determination. The fans at the ground certainly showed their loyalty. COYB

Eddie Dunn
76 Posted 14/01/2015 at 17:57:55
It was a tremendous match last night, and perhaps we deserved more when one considers the fact that we played for so long with only 10 men.

However when we had 11, we made so many little mistakes, passes overhit, passes hit behind the object player, delays in passing(a Barkley speciallity) and going to sleep when there is a break in play.
Lukaku in general played well, but missed an easy chance, and nearly missed the goal he did score. He was on his backside and scuffed the ball. Also whenever he lost possession or overran the ball he stopped and shrugged, whilst
the game continued around him.
As for McGeady, he was making poor decisions all game, and his ridiculous attempts at slide-tackling cost us the game.

Also West Ham caused us more problems than we did them, and over the 2 games, they deserved the win, let's not kid ourselves.

The positives are that we are playing like a team again, with fighting spirit, and we are varying our play, mixing it up more.
Robles may turn out to be a good keeper and Besic and Stones will improve. As for Barkley, I'm at a loss. I don't know what we can do with him, perhaps behind Lukaku instead of Naismith?
Baggies game is the acid test.

Andrew Rimmer
77 Posted 14/01/2015 at 18:09:10
In Yahweh's name! What utter shite. Martinez keeps his job because we showed a bit of battle? We will be looking up at Bournemouth next season.
Nigel Gregson
78 Posted 14/01/2015 at 18:25:55
@JamesMarshall 40 - couldn't agree with you more ! We need that a nasty fucker in team. As comical as those two West Ham clowns looked while they were having a go at each other last night, it at least showed that they gave a fuck. Sometimes our lot needs wake up calls in between matches, and we just don't have the on-field leader to do that.
Ian Burns
79 Posted 14/01/2015 at 18:29:08
Since the pre-season debacle about which I bitterly complained on TW even before the season started, I have been a strong critic of RM and have been calling for his removal for weeks.

However earlier in this thread I felt that having used EFC as his apprenticeship and because the players have forced the issue on a change of tactics he might just finally come of age.

Of course because this benefits EFC I pray it is true and 6 points is the return from the next two games because these are teams we SHOULD be beating.

However if somebody else scores against us from a set piece I will be back on my hobby horse for this man to go. that said I prefer he succeeds because then EFC succeeds.

Colin Glassar
80 Posted 14/01/2015 at 18:45:47
Don't be a big fibber PR, you got loved to death on the live forum last night. It's a place where passions run even higher than on here but after the game finishes it tends to quieten down again.
If people aren't proud of what the team put in last night then I don't know what would please them. Can't you see the improvement? Isn't this what you were screaming for 10 days ago? It's not great I admit but it's a damn sight better than what we saw in December.
David Israel
81 Posted 14/01/2015 at 18:57:14
Phil Sammon # 57, only trouble I ever had because of my surname was being refused a visa to enter Saudi Arabia, thank G-d! But thanks for your concern, anyway. ;-)
Steve Davies
82 Posted 14/01/2015 at 18:48:23
Martinez comments about dead ball situations astounds me? Does he not understand that this is part of the game of football. If we cannot hold on to a lead and defend corners then we may as well forget staying in the premier league. The team should be out at Finch Farm being drilled day in day out in how to defend properly. His naivety is incredible.

Tony Pullis will be watching all of this and he and Pardue are no mugs. If we don't beat West Brom then Kenwright has to do something about all of this. The time for all the rhetoric is past. We are in a relegation battle. We cannot keep a clean sheet, end of, that is the problem.

There were positives from the West Ham game but the the bottom line is we lost. Although we had ten men and were playing a physical side, we had ten minutes to hold out. To be honest, all the heroic talk is well and good from the Spanish one. It is a results business unfortunately.

My frustration is that when I have coached kids teams the message is always to defenders don't play it around in and around the penalty box as you may make a mistake, get organised and man mark their players touch tight at corners. I know that this approach may be simple and I am not a Premier League coach but surely one of the back room staff can tell Martinez this? These are the basics of defending.

Please at 10pm Monday night when Martinez gets interviewed after the West Brom game he is talking about a win preferably with a clean sheet for EFC. I don't want to hear the rhetoric I want to see results like all Evertonians....COYB

John Keating
83 Posted 14/01/2015 at 19:11:54
I think Brian has gone to bed by now - must be well past his bedtime. So, I think none of the adults will take offence if you spell God, G-O-D, not G-d !!
Sad state of affairs eh ?
Je suis Christine
Joseph Clarke
84 Posted 14/01/2015 at 18:54:06
No longer bother reading RobertoÂ’s comments. Patronising and insulting.

He was my choice to be our new manager, and I was delighted when he signed for us. He brightened up every aspect of the team, and club last season, although I didnÂ’t think we played consistently well.

I agreed with what he said initially about the team at the end of the season, that we needed 7or 8 new players, so I was optimistic about this season. He changed his mind about this for some reason.

I still kept the faith, but the football has been dull, slow, boring and ineffective, whilst our Nero manager goes on praising every fart and blink that the players perform.

Roberto is a charming man, and seems very likeable, but a football manager, I donÂ’t know. I hope he proves me wrong. If he comes good he could be very, very good. I would be surprised, but delighted.

Come On You Blues!


David Israel
85 Posted 14/01/2015 at 19:22:28
Thank you, John. We're all Christine around here, I would have thought. I could explain further the reason for my spelling, but I don't want to introduce religion to the thread, or the forum, for that matter. Cheers!
Jim Hardin
86 Posted 14/01/2015 at 19:00:10
Colin @80 "If people arenÂ’t proud of what the team put in last night then I donÂ’t know what would please them." Hmmm. I know, a win. Losing but showing determination is still losing, Wigan were full of determination so too were Reading when they got relegated. Has RM led the club and itÂ’s supporters so far down the Wigan path that the norm is now appreciate the effort regardless of results?
Phil Rodgers
87 Posted 14/01/2015 at 19:29:15
Colin, it was after you went during the penalties. It turned a bit nasty.
Paul Kelly
88 Posted 14/01/2015 at 19:51:08
Well, IÂ’m not proud, not proud of the fact we donÂ’t practice defending set pieces, concede to one, go on and get knocked out of the most coveted domestic competition in football... negligence of the highest order. Bob out.
Ian Brandes
89 Posted 14/01/2015 at 19:47:34
I watched every nerve tingling moment of this game, and I have got to say that it was an exceptionally heroic performance.

But I think it was down to the players rather than our phenomenal manager who looked forlorn on the touch-line. I am sure that the majority of players thought Â’Fuck thisÂ’, we will play it our way, and it nearly worked.

Last season for the first time in many years, I was proud to be blue, but I was taken in by the Martinez hype. After all, we were only good at defending because of Moyes.

So here we are in he middle of January out of two cup competitions, which, as an Evertonian, I wanted us to win.

Worse still, we are languishing just above the drop-zone, and frankly , on this form, no chance of winning the Europa.

My best pal, who is from Wigan, but roots for Everton as his 2nd choice, predicted all this when RM was appointed.

Unless we bite the bullet, and sack him if we do not beat West Brom, then I fear for the future.

John Francis
90 Posted 14/01/2015 at 21:22:34
Last night was a terrific performance from the team. Bodes well for the remainder of the season. However one things sticking in my craw and its not the McGeady buffoonery.

When they got the corner which led to the equaliser, Oviedo was looking around, waiting for instructions ,where {should I stand}? who {should I mark}?.There did not appear to be any forthcoming. You know the result of that corner.

I am pig-sick at the lack of direction in that defence. Spent a whole season of Chuckle Brother defending, to you, to me, to you. We need a dominant character in that defence, someone who shouts, someone who takes responsibility. Someone who isn't afraid to speak his mind and get the troops organised. We need that guy now. He's out there somewhere, anyone got any ideas? Let me kick it off by throwing Ashley Williams name in the hat.

Oh, by the way, chaps, a couple of weeks back I did mention that Sammy could be the disruptive force in the dressing room. Looks like I was on the money. Drat, if only I was a gambler. lol

Trevor Lynes
91 Posted 14/01/2015 at 21:51:15
My main concern is the fact that, if Eto'o goes and Osman is crocked, then we are two down without a replacement in sight. Our squad was too small at the beginning of the season and now it is smaller.

We seem to have lots of very similar standard midfielders but few wide men. Without Osman at his best we lack guile. We desperately need the six or seven squad players that we were told were needed before this season began.

I am slightly relieved that we are out of the cup as now we can focus on the Premier League. So long as our tiny squad stays relatively fit we should stave off relegation and possibly make the top ten.

It has been patently obvious that we cannot adequately fulfil our extra fixtures with the squad we have.

Tony Abrahams
92 Posted 14/01/2015 at 22:16:49
Phil Walling, I know seventh is better than where we are now, but itÂ’s never been an aspiration of mine.
Ant Summers
93 Posted 14/01/2015 at 23:32:35
Peter Bell (65). Early season form was good, however we were lucky, very lucky in certain games. I think we went on to win 5 or 6 games after Jan 1st. Yes, we were a poor to average side except for two players.

But the question was, do I think we will beat LFC, yes always at goodison...the glass is half full, too many negative people on here for my way of thinking.

Tony Farrell
94 Posted 14/01/2015 at 23:22:39
Absoloutley shattered having watched the game live here down under. My thoughts immediately went out to those loyal travelling fantastic Evertonians. I used to be one of them and I've suffered many a disappointing trip away from home, but extra time, penalties, 10 men and still no reward...sickening.

And then the long haul back from darn sarf. I applaud you boys, you are the backbone of our team. Please don't lose the faith, we need you boys and the rest of the faithful Blues.

I just hope the backroom people realise what fantastic support we have and reward us with a team worthy of the following we have. We need to be as one in these awkward times, and IMO we can come through but we need the management to dig deep and inject life into the current squad. Clearly its needed.

James Stewart
95 Posted 15/01/2015 at 06:52:00

Interesting comment. I did feel Martinez was very lucky to get the job... after all, how many managers off the back of a relegation inherit a top 6 side?

It was all based on the cup game against us. BK saw that and wet himself. The Wigan fans I know don't hold him with any regard either, which I was surprised by.

Peter Roberts
96 Posted 15/01/2015 at 12:59:19
Played 70 minutes with 10 men away from home and should have won.

Get a grip people seriously. McGeady for starters was best player on the pitch till he got walked - he took a yellow for an awful Barry pass and his second was stupid but he was putting in a shift.

The team look a lot better, playing with an improved tempo.

It appears anything positive is a false storm unless its Lukaku having a good game.

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