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Boss remaining positive in the face of poor results

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Roberto Martinez says he is optimistic that Everton have come through the worst part of the season and that a new-found "stubborn mentality" will see his team get the results that he feels recent performances have deserved.

Fresh from a warm-weather training camp in Qatar, the manager is looking ahead to this weekend's trip to Crystal Palace where the Blues will go in search of only their second win in 14 matches.

Martinez acknowledges the fans' frustration that grew especially over a difficult Festive period during which they lost all four Premier League games and tells the Liverpool Echo that, "hopefully we can repay them. We are very much aware of some of the criticism and feeling.

We need to look back at some of the big moments we had at the start of the season and we can't forget that.

We will never stop trying to play football or being a very good team it is that in the last few weeks, results haven't come our way.

The Christmas period was very tough but we have come through that now."

With no League victories for a month and a half, Everton have slipped to within just four points of the relegation zone and travel to Selhurst Park desperately needing a win to put further daylight between themselves and danger.

Martinez risked testing already strained patience among supporters, however, by asserting that his team has has been hard done-by recently in terms of results and insisting that he has been disappointed by only one of his side's performances in the last few weeks.

Of course, we are the first ones who are frustrated, the Catalan continues. There was one performance that wasn't good enough and that was against Hull. But the performances have been better than the results have shown and that is a frustration.

When results are not going well there is a big fashion to be critical of our football club but proper Evertonians are showing their support and are realistic and are understanding that we have played a lot better than the results show.  


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Brian Waring
1 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:16:24
He doesn’t really help himself Martinez:

"When results are not going well there is a big fashion to be critical of our football club but PROPER Evertonians are showing their support and are realistic and are understanding that we have played a lot better than the results show."

Colin Glassar
2 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:35:48
Just read those comments Brian. Unfortunate to say the least. The pressure must be getting to him.
Brian Waring
3 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:38:01
I still back him Colin and think he’ll put it right, the problem he has though by saying ’proper Evertonians’ even though in the full context of the article its not as bad as it comes accross,he just gives more ammo to the anti - Martinez brigrade.
Colin Glassar
4 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:43:09
Unfortunate choice of words Brian. Neither he nor any other Everton manager has a right to divide Evertonians between ’proper’ and ’improper’. We all have a right to express ourselves, within limits, as it’s our team. Managers come and go but we are stuck with the club through thick and thin.

So Roberto, I think you owe ALL the fans an apology. None of us are happy with what’s gone on this season so don’t try and divide us between those of us that back you and those that don’t.

Brian Waring
5 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:50:59
That was the first thing that came into my head Colin when I read the article, it was like an us and them quote, just really don’t think he meant it to come out like that, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him rectifying it once he realises.
Colin Glassar
6 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:54:15
Maybe lost in translation from the Spanish into the English Brian. But hey, looks like we’re bringing some light into the darkness at least.
Mike Hughes
7 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:49:15
Â’Proper EvertoniansÂ’ have been here a lot longer than you have, Roberto, and will be here long after youÂ’ve gone.

Â’Proper EvertoniansÂ’ support Everton (not necessarily the management team in post on the grounds that they donÂ’t like whatÂ’s happening to their club).

I suspect this may be some sort of preamble to a potential sacking so he can say afterwards - Â’the fans made it difficult for meÂ’. The aim being to muddy the waters of the poor preparations, tactics, signings etc in order to keep his career afloat.

CanÂ’t imagine him at another PL club if he screws up here.

I could be well off the mark, like.
Just a reaction.

Kunal Desai
8 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:50:05
He’s doing a great job alienating any supporters he still has left with that statement. Perhaps he should look at how proper ’Evertonians’ graft hard for there money at work each work and that hard earned doe goes towards watching the shite that is served up week in week out. I’d say any Evertonian is entitled to voice their opinion be it good or bad at what’s happening on the pitch.

You are not delivering a level of service to the paying public therefore you deserve every ounce of backlash dished out, just as you no doubt enjoyed the plaudits last season. What a daft statement from a naive man.

Paul Hewitt
9 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:59:49
Just read Bobby say "proper Evertonians support Everton when we lose". Total rubbish we are all proper Evertonians – no matter our view.
Mike Hughes
10 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:02:29
Another mysterious quote from the same article.
Call it a Â’starter for ten pointsÂ’:

"We need to look back at some of the big moments we had at the start of the season and we canÂ’t forget that," Martinez said.

Anyone?

Paul Hewitt
11 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:05:33
Sorry, that comment it’s totally out of order from Martinez. He should be sacked for that comment alone.
Colin Glassar
12 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:07:27
A very stupid thing to say. I hope he clarifies just exactly what he means by this ’proper Evertonians’. Silly, silly boy Roberto.
Trevor Peers
13 Posted 28/01/2015 at 22:57:10
Well said Kunai ! He s becoming very divisive there are divisions among the supporters about the manager which he will hope exploit to his advantage. All I say is look at his record this season thatÂ’s the important statistic we all just want the team to WIN . He just not good enough.
Paul Hewitt
14 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:12:14
Colin mate, I’m fuming – if only we had a PROPER manager!!!
Will Firstbrook
15 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:04:32
For his own sake, I truly hope he didn’t make such a statement.

Under present circumstances, that would be akin to throwing gasoline on burning embers. Certainly not helping his cause.

Paul Smith
16 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:09:31
Don’t think it was meant to polarise, but it will fan the flames of uncertainty around his judgement on and off the pitch. He has previous of course....the press badge, busmans holidays and forgetting the bus. Soon we will know where we all stand.
Colin Glassar
17 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:16:54
It’s gone viral. #properEvertonians
Paul Hewitt
18 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:24:11
Well get angry with his team not the people that pay his wages.
Ross Edwards
19 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:22:20
This ’proper Evertonians’ quote has not gone down well. Although I’m more worried by the fact that he still thinks we’ve played well in most of the ganes this season. I’d love to know, A, what games he’s been watching, and B, what he’s been smoking recently.

I think we’ve been awful. And to say something ridiculous like he said today about proper Evertonians considering our dismal run of form, that’s a spectacular PR own goal by Bobby.

If he genuinely believes we’ve been playing well this season, he is totally deluded. He is almost totally oblivious to the fact that we’ve only won 1 in 13, which straight off is a sackable offence at any other club, and even more alarmingly, he thinks the solution can come from within, namely Pienaar and Osman who are both past it. He thinks we can soldier on with just 2 main strikers as well. In Bobby land, everything is under control, going phenomenally well, all is hunky dory at Goodison.

I’ve got some news for you Roberto, it isn’t. And you are looking even more of an idiot every day with your constant bullshit and pink fluffy clouds deluded crap.

’Hard done-by recently in terms of results and insisting that he has been disappointed by only one of his side’s performances in the last few weeks.’

Hmm. Intriguing to think what performance this was. Man City?

He’s getting a bit desperate and flustered now. I reckon he knows that the end is near.

Mike Hughes
20 Posted 28/01/2015 at 23:53:11
Bob#177
It must be too late in the evening as I never saw the quote that way initially. I took it that he was referring to some imaginary good season form.

Now that you have put it another way, I think you are right.

So, to summarise, heÂ’s alienating both fans and players.

I hope he closes the door on the way out.
ItÂ’s freezing out there.

Kieran Riding
21 Posted 29/01/2015 at 00:04:13
Haters gonna Hate.
Mike Hughes
23 Posted 29/01/2015 at 00:25:40
Bob - I think one of the moderators is transferring the posts to a more relevant link. Probably sorted by the morning.

However, here is the quote again:

"We need to look back at some of the big moments we had at the start of the season and we can’t forget that," Martinez said.

Phil Walling
24 Posted 29/01/2015 at 00:24:17
His outpourings is just one of the traits that makes him unsuitable to be manager of this club. As an improper supporter, I want him gone although he should never have been appointed in the first place.
Kieran Riding
26 Posted 29/01/2015 at 00:58:39
Big Nev. " If Wigan sell all the pies at half time and get a point out of the game, then everyone goes home happy, itÂ’s different at Everton "

It is different, he is bang on, and itÂ’s hard to get my head round whatÂ’s going on right now at Everton.

David Ellis
27 Posted 29/01/2015 at 01:16:05
If I faced the daily criticism that Bobby faces every day from the mob I think I would have a pop back at the mob from time to time. I don’t think his comments are wise but they are understandable - people who get attacked get defensive.
Mike Price
28 Posted 29/01/2015 at 00:55:39
I hope Bill didn’t get as carried away as the rest of us, after last season, and actually put a severance clause in his 5 year mega contract.

I thought he was the real deal and revered pace and technical players, but we’re slower than we’ve ever been and he’s just signed a limited championship trier until 2019. He’s signing Moyes type players...no pace journeymen, aging tryers with limited technical ability, and many are now liabilities, in every sense of the word.

The fact that he thinks we’ve only played poorly in one game is shocking. We’ve been beyond bad all season, I was even worried when we were 3-0 up against a crap QPR and after conceding one, looked like we could throw it away. Even West Brom had better chances and they weren’t even trying to attack.

We just have to win against Palace, the performance is irrelevant. Pragmatism and fight are needed; that’s why most of us are terrified.

Ciaran Duff
29 Posted 29/01/2015 at 01:22:10
Maybe he means supporters not booing their own players, getting on the teams back and generally making it easier for away teams to get under our skin?
Phil Sammon
30 Posted 29/01/2015 at 01:23:57
I’ve supported Martinez and I continue to hope he can turn it around. But if he honestly thinks we have only had one poor game then he should be out of the club and into a mental facility. We have been absolutely dire! If anything performances have been WORSE than results. We never look like scoring, always look like conceding, can’t string two passes together when under pressure and worst of all we have completely lost our team work ethic.

I can handle a bit of media spin and taking the positives is all well and good. But Martinez is coming across as completely deluded at the moment. I’m embarrassed for him.

David Ellis
31 Posted 29/01/2015 at 01:31:32
Mike Price - what is a Moyes’ type player ...Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Baines, Coleman, Jagielka,Yakubu, Howard, Lescott....
(ok I will give you Phil Neville, but Moyes signed a lot of great players)
Will Firstbrook
32 Posted 29/01/2015 at 01:50:05
Perhaps the ’proper Evertonian’ statement was a carefully calculated ruse to draw attention away from the fact that we will not be adding to the squad this transfer window!?!?
Mike Price
33 Posted 29/01/2015 at 01:47:22
David, you named some good players there, but left out lots of dross, and Howard is one of my least favourite players ever!

Moyes went for functional players and never really revered skillful technicians or players with blistering pace. He wasn’t even convinced on Arteta after his loan, and we were lucky to get him if you remember. Naismith and Moyes were a match made in Scottish heaven, so I’m surprised that Martinez sanctioned a 3 year extension for such a limited player.

Paul Ferry
34 Posted 29/01/2015 at 01:31:28
There will be more than a few choking on their frosties in the morning.

What on earth were you thinking about Martinez!? These words are fuel and manna for anyone who is less flexible in their opinions of you than you have been in the last few matches about tactics and set-ups.

Martinez has been making one mistake after another on and off the pitch over the last few months and this for me is by some distance his biggest off-pitch howler. The Echo interview is pockmarked with dumb-sounding stuff from start to finish. It reeks of a desperate situations and someone – a fairly decent human being it seems to me – who is in a corner.

He’s grasping at straws as countless others have done when they feel locked in a corner with nowhere to turn. My bunch for what it’s worth is that all this trumpeting of the solution is in the squad is because he has been told that there will not be money this window – Kenwright is probably hedging his bets. Bobby, therefore, has to blow a bugle for the cards he has in his hand.

The words might seem dumb. They might seem fanciful. But if I am half-right then what the fuck do you expect him to say? "WeÂ’re awful"? "WeÂ’re going down"? "ThereÂ’s nothing that I can do"?

The use of ’proper’ here ought to raise eyebrows everywhere. I’m still trying to get my head round it because I want to think about it for a time. It’s unadvised. It will insult many. The implication of division is plain silly as if there are shades of Evertonians – though he is not the only one to appear on these boards in very recent memory with something similar to say.

HeÂ’s chosen his words quite carefully up to now although his "shiny happy people" face irks me and alienates others. So these words seem to me to be out of plot and character. The product of desperation, it can be credibly said, but not as some silliness will have it an attempt to shift the blame onto the fans shoulders as the sack looms.

HeÂ’ll make some sort of a gesture in the way of a corrective and possibly apology. I for one think that this statement is out of character, so I will wait and see as I put myself in the shoes of someone alarmed at recent booing and what must be his own accelerating doubts and fears. The wrong reaction here, to be sure, and the sunny view of our performances this season is pure cloud-cuckoo and avoidance.

There will be a story to be written about this season of whispering and rumour-mongering and one day we will all IÂ’m sure be in a far better position to comment objectively. But none of us are there yet. What we have are a poor run of games, a gaffer who seems to be aware of a need to change things at long last, and a massive month ahead of us.

I for one would love to see Bobby turn this round because he is the Everton manager and his immediate prospects are inextricably bound up with the immediate prospects of the club I love to death. And, yes, itÂ’s conceivable to me that we will be in a comfy place say three months from now with Martinez holding the reins.

But that Â’properÂ’ is still leaving a nasty taste in my mouth...

Paul Kelly
35 Posted 29/01/2015 at 02:50:16
Certainly knows how to kick himself when he is down.

Idiot, get rid.

Jamie Crowley
36 Posted 29/01/2015 at 04:43:20
Paul @ 34 -

SO well said. The "proper" comment left me feeling like I’ve been listening to a weasel. Division where there should be none.

I may disagree with the outlook espoused by the Bennings and the Wallings of this world but...

They are PROPER Evertonians - much, much more so than I to be sure! And to hint at any contrarian view of our beloved gaffer as "unproper" or some such thing just leaves the taste of bile in my mouth.

Right the ship Roberto - and while the chips are down choose your words carefully and don’t dare hint that any dissenters are not "proper" Evertonians.

They’ve been around before you were born.

Shut your mouth and start winning. I know you have it in you.

Brent Stephens
37 Posted 29/01/2015 at 04:57:50
You only need to be at the club 18 months to know what a proper Evertonian is, to become a proper Evertonian? How long do you need to support a team before you know what a proper manager is?
Jamie Crowley
38 Posted 29/01/2015 at 04:54:00
BTW -

This one "proper" Evertonian really has my short in a bind.

It’s arrogant in the extreme! Who the hell does he think he is?

Who defines "proper". And the suggestion that anyone not backing the team in the face of real criticism isn’t "proper" just pisses me off.

Arrogant!

I’m behind the man and his long term vision but this definitely shines a different light on the current situation.

Anyone who boos or is critical isn’t "proper"???

If I wasn’t a believer I’d tell him to fuck off! FFS I’ve read some scathing analysis from the BLUEST OF BLUES on here! they aren’t "proper" supporters?

Unreal!

Keith Meakin
40 Posted 29/01/2015 at 04:45:51
My biggest fear is that we still need 17pts to reach the magic Forty mark & taking a look at the fixtures remaining I ask all Evertonians, Proper / & none Proper ’Do you see us getting 17pts when we have 1 win in our last Thirteen’?

If there’s no money for new signings then we need a couple of lone signings, last year Bobby seemed to pull Rabbits out of hats yet this season he seems deluded in thinking the squad is strong and playing well.

Does this saying mean anything: ’You can’t polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter’?


Crystal Palace v Everton
Everton v Liverpool
Chelsea v Everton
Everton v Leicester
Arsenal v Everton
Stoke v Everton
Everton v Newcastle
QPR v Everton
Everton v Southampton
Swansea v Everton
Everton v Burnley
Everton v Man Utd
Aston Villa v Everton
Everton v Sunderland
West Ham v Everton
Everton v Tottenham

Paul Ferry
41 Posted 29/01/2015 at 05:29:03
Keith - 40: Â’Do you see us getting 17pts when we have 1 win in our last ThirteenÂ’?

YES!

But itÂ’s good you took the time to give us the fixture list and thanks for that mate and are there 17 points there, absolutely!

Looking forward already to our 51st consecutive season in the top flight.

James Marshall
42 Posted 29/01/2015 at 05:59:54
I have making about 22 points from those remaining games. We’ll be fine :-)

Big Nev. " If Wigan sell all the pies at half time and get a point out of the game, then everyone goes home happy, it’s different at Everton " It would different with Big Nev at the ground that’s for sure....who ate all the pies?

Can I just say, for the record he’s my all time Everton hero so I say this with no malice, but it did make me laugh to read!

Matt Traynor
43 Posted 29/01/2015 at 05:57:07
One for the conspiracy theorists this. The Red Echo always tries to claim it’s not in the pockets of the club’s owners.

Certainly, when the RS were revolting (aren’t they always) about Hicks and Gillette, the Red Echo got right behind them. Yet there’s never been the faintest whiff of criticism of BK’s carpetbagging antics with us (at least not to my knowledge). They’ve largely peddled the club line, perhaps fearful of being banned again if they don’t.

So they carry this interview with Martinez, complete with the comments likely to inflame passions amongst fans... Prelude to him falling foul of the Goodison Hierarchy? (After the window is shut, natch).

Eric Myles
45 Posted 29/01/2015 at 05:48:59
That one game when we didn’t play so well would be the one where we had less than 60% possession.
Brian Porter
46 Posted 29/01/2015 at 06:31:31
So, does the fact that I’ve supported the club for 56 years, but also want Martinez out, make me an ’improper’ fan in the manager’s eyes? The arrogance he has shown this season in the face of abject failure to deliver on his promises is astonishing.

This summer simply confirms his "agree with me or you’re out" mentality. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn in the future that Samuel Eto’o tried to talk to him about the team’s tactics, and pointed out the failings in his system. Leaving or not, there was no logical reason to not even use him as a sub in his last month with the club.

There have been other rumours of player discontent but we’ll never know the truth until the manager has gone. Roberto, after 56 years, I think I’m entitled to have my say without being insulted by the club manager saying I’m not PROPER Evertonian. Cut me, I bleed blue, can’t say the same for you.

Darryl Ritchie
47 Posted 29/01/2015 at 06:08:00
For a year and a half RM has been the perfect politician. He has talked incessantly, and hasn’t actually said a bloody thing. Now, just when the squad is starting to show signs that they could, just maybe, be turning it around, he comes out with this "proper Evertonian" crap.

Roberto has always chosen his words very carefully. For him to make that comment, at this time, is very puzzling. Maybe he’s trying to make himself a buffer between the fans and the players. It leaves proper Evertonians scratching their heads, and more than a little pissed off.

What a strange season this has been so far.

Ralph Basnett
48 Posted 29/01/2015 at 07:04:53
Proper supporters? He will be calling us a small club next – what a prat!!!!
Ian Hollingworth
49 Posted 29/01/2015 at 07:24:41
Bobby showing his true colours now then? Disgraceful

Good luck at Barcelona one day...... Yeah right like that will ever happen, maybe Barnsley.

Tom Magill
50 Posted 29/01/2015 at 07:32:51
As a supporter for over 30 years I now find out IÂ’m not a proper supporter itÂ’s surprising to say the least!

He really does come out with some crackers though, we need a Â’PROPERÂ’ apology for the rubbish weÂ’ve been served all this season.

John Keating
51 Posted 29/01/2015 at 07:50:24
What an arrogant prick. The man has totally lost the plot. We only had one bad game - Hull - I just can’t fathom what he has been watching since the Leicester game.

I would imagine there are a lot more doubters regarding Martinez’s right to manage OUR Club this morning – and quite rightly.

I wonder if the "Greatest Evertonian" will finally comment on this? Will also be interested to see what Prentice and O’Keefe make of it? Probably say nothing to put their treble gins and freebies in doubt

Fucking idiot!

Colin Glassar
52 Posted 29/01/2015 at 07:57:06
24 points (min) Keith. We will finish comfortably top 10. This doesn’t change the fact that this season has been abysmal and Don Roberto is bound out of order trying to divide Evertonians into two distinct camps with his stupid comments. We are ALL Evertonians, Mr Martinez!! Jesus, even Heywood.
Clive Lewis
53 Posted 29/01/2015 at 08:02:07
"The Christmas period was very tough but we have come through that now."

Yes came through it with dire consequences, This a deluded positive statement to make everyone feel better?

Steve Pugh
54 Posted 29/01/2015 at 08:21:37
Keith #40, based on our form over the last decade I agree with Colin et al that we could easily get enough points. In the past we would be reasonably confident of wins against Southampton, QPR, West Ham etc.

Based on our form over the last year I think we’ll be lucky to get 12.

Phil Walling
55 Posted 29/01/2015 at 08:14:18
It may well be improper to say so but I do so hope that BK is in the process of finding a proper manager for this club. One who lets his results speak for him and not on some messianic trip to change the way the game is played and results determined.
Derek Thomas
56 Posted 29/01/2015 at 08:02:37
If somebody on here posted the same comment, what would happen? I think Martinez has just had his Abbott giving Prince Phillip a knighthood moment.

Both deadmen walking.

Andrew Ellams
57 Posted 29/01/2015 at 08:34:25
I’m not brave enough to say we definitely won’t go down, but if I was a gambling man there are other teams I would bet on first. Either way, it’s not gong to be oomfortable.

These comments were not made by a man with a clear head, same as the waffling interview about the Miralles penalty straight after the WBA game. If things don’t turnaround quickly it going to get to the point were it’s cruel to keep him on.

Martin O\Sullivan
58 Posted 29/01/2015 at 08:48:36
Blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah. Shut up and let’s get on with winning and climbing the table.

Does he ever stop talking rubbish.

Oh and a couple of signings please, Bobby!!!!

Eddie Dunn
59 Posted 29/01/2015 at 08:45:36
It is clear that this master of spin, has been blagging his way through his interviews so far, with lots of baffling clap-trap and utter nonsense.

Unfortunately for him, he has just stepped on a mine, so let us see how he performs surgery on himself at the press conference at 9am.

Phil Walling
60 Posted 29/01/2015 at 08:54:24
Andrew, I will go on record as predicting we won’t go down and am actively engaged in finding a bookie who will take me on. Given that we will need merely a point a game even Martinez should be able to engineer our safety!

But when did ’not going down’ determine acceptability for Evertonians – proper or not ?

Tony Hill
61 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:11:19
The risk of relegation depends on the players’ attitude to Martinez. If they won’t play for him then we will not get points regardless of who we’re playing and he has to go. But we have lost time already and I for one am worried that the rut will be too deep by the time we get around to appointing someone.

You can’t just turn level of performance on and off as you choose and I just don’t feel anyone has got to grips with the seriousness of our plight and the lack of time available to get out of it. If RM is sacked after Palace, we’ve missed the window and the new manager is straight into a very nasty run of fixtures.

We can only hope and pray but I am afraid that I don’t share the view that our remaining fixtures are clearly going to yield the points we need, given where we now find ourselves. Far from it.

Steve Guy
62 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:18:42
What a prickly bunch! I saw his comment as having a pop at the media not the fans. He’s saying the fans are the Proper Evertonians and he accepts their criticism, but he isn’t going to take any crap from the likes of Savage et al.

I’m as critical of the current malaise as anyone, but I struggle to find anything wrong with this statement.

Terence Leong
63 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:17:18
My thoughts:

It’s an ill-advised comment judging from the reactions here. However, I do think that those who are already upset with Martinez prior to this would have been scrutinizing his every comment/statement. Thus, everything that fans can throw the chairs at him at, they will.

You can read what you want into it really.

Ian Burns
64 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:11:50
Paul Ferry - great first post but in your second post I pray you are looking at our 61st season in the top division not our 51st!

RM I have been a proper supporter for all of those 61 years and because I want you out of our club now now now that does not make me an improper supporter so please don’t insult me or my fellow Evertonians as you close the door behind you.

Eddie Dunn
65 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:28:29
Just watched the press briefing – what a waste of time, he spoke 2000 words of nothing.
Trevor Peers
66 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:26:01
I don’t think it’s about disliking or liking Martinez, we’re simply judging the guy on his results. That’s the real issue here and we should all be together on that. He s close to having the worst record of an Everton manager in our history – is that acceptable?
Brent Stephens
67 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:29:52
Je Suis "Proper Evertonian".
Sam Hoare
69 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:39:43
Silly comments by Martinez and division is really not what is needed right now. Would have been much more productive to just say, "I know its not been good enough recently for this club and we will do everything we can to do better and hope the fans will be behind us so we can turn it around."
Mike Gwyer
70 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:29:30

This shite has been building up and up and up.

BK, the total thespian, has obviously isolated himself from RM. Those comments by RM are not aimed at the supporters, the seat fillers. No way, we only watch and see the production unfold and for me RM lost the GP crowd weeks ago and he knows it, he takes abuse for almost the full 90 minutes and he wouldn’t know a proper Evertonian if his life depended on it. No, those comments are aimed at people who are not just supporters of Everton Football club.

The gloves are off, oh fucking yes and it looks like RM is going to go out fighting. Well Roberto, good fucking luck with that because unfortunately thespian BK, with SKY, have set the stage up beautifully; Stevie G’s final derby, a 5:30 kick off, seats going for almost 2 grand, a world wide audience and more Chang being drunk than is advisable.

RM will not know what the fuck has hit him if we lose that game and BK will be able to pull the curtain down and clap RM out of the building.

Sad, sad days at this great club.

Tony Abrahams
71 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:05:41
We are all proper Evertonians, except in my opinion, the man in charge. Not the manager, but The Chairman? Maybe it was aimed at him?

It’s been an awful season bar a last minute strike at Anfield but there’s no way we would have gone on such a bad run if we weren’t booed against QPR, whilst winning.I didn’t boo myself, but never had a problem with those that did.

A night game at Goodison is usually something to cherish, but Martinez, has taken away the fun. I know the players are hating playing at Goodison, because they can feel the anxiety in the crowd. Against West Ham, with less fans in the game, the crowd got a lot more behind the team. We played forward more that night though, and although I’m not anxious, I’m very restless.

I think those who want him gone, have jumped right down on this comment, while those who still want him, will understand what he was probably trying to say. One thing is sure though. After comments like this, the day of judgement is getting close, and if we don’t get points from the next two games, this manager will be finished, good and PROPER!!

Tony Abrahams
72 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:47:47
Terence 63, my thoughts exactly. The worst comment for me was we can’t forget those big moments early in the season?

Again read into it what we want but, if we are still suffering because we threw away 4 points in our first two games, then the manager really does want fucking!

You might have to pick the players up if you lose a semi-final, but not because we drew a couple of games???

Ross Edwards
73 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:48:44
All we want from the man is honesty. Not this constant sugar coating everything is alright rubbish. Instead of going on about the fans knowing that we’ve played well for most of the season when blatantly we aren’t, he’s just undermining himself and his stock amongst the fans every time he speaks.

All he needs to say is admit that the majority of performances have been unacceptable or something like that. Look at Mourinho. Loses to Bradford, "It’s a disgrace" he says.

What would Martinez have said in that situation? "We showed a phenomenal performance level in the first half to go 2-0 up but the second half didn’t go our way" or some crap to that effect.

That press conference then. That was just utterances of meaningless soundbites like most of his interviews have been. I’m just getting fed up of his rubbish now and genuinely concerned that he is blissfully ignorant of the fact that we are in trouble and that the fans are not happy.

Just show some kind of acknowledgement that it’s not working. Then he’d win some credibility back for a start. His continued spin is just losing him credibility every time he speaks.

He just doesn’t seem genuine in my view.

Teddy Bertin
74 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:47:38
My god, I had no idea that so many on here were so sensitive. I thought Roberto was referring to the media/pundits and by "proper" he meant actual fans.

ItÂ’s getting very boring on here. If he doesnÂ’t comment heÂ’s not honest, if he does he should be "sacked for that comment alone". Not one suggestion of who to replace him with I notice (and donÂ’t say Klopp, On what planet would that happen?). With all you lot taking so much to heart heÂ’ll be scared to speak at all soon, oh just like how Ross Barkey is scared to do anything with the ball now because heÂ’s screamed at by the crowd every time he loses it.

WeÂ’re going to be our own downfall at this rate. ItÂ’s almost like a lot of people on here want to get relegated so that they can say that they predicted it on ToffeeWeb before Martinez was appointed. That will be a great achievement.

Dave Abrahams
76 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:56:10
People see what they want to see in these comments. I don’t agree about only one poor game in the last few, but the rest I see nothing in it to suggest he is trying to divide us Blues.

I think a lot of us are agitated with the position we are in, and rightly so but I think a lot of us need to calm down a bit.

Nick Page
77 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:00:22
Are you the Judean People’s Front?
Fuck off, we’re the People’s Front of Judea.

Splitters

Trevor Peers
78 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:12:43
It was a typical politicians remark that Martinez made and it was divisive. If the crowd at GP turn on him it will affect the team and our prospects of avoiding the drop. A win at Palace might be his only salvation.
Teddy Bertin
79 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:20:11
And by the way the full quote was: "When results are not going well there is a big fashion to be critical of our football club but proper Evertonians are showing their support". The use of the "our" suggests that he is talking about people who are not fans. People outside the club.

Mark Jensen
80 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:58:54
As far as I know, I am an Evertonian and have been for the last 46 years. In all that time, through various managers, what I have learnt is when someone is talking shite and trying to pull the wool over the fans eyes.

We were crap end of last season, crap pre-season and 95% crap this season, especially the last 13 games. That is a fact underlined by results I can read in any paper.

Whether I am a ’Proper’ fan or not is not the point. The point is we have been crap since April 2014 and this nut-job cant see it. IF we go down, he will leave and the ’Proper’ fans will be left with a Championship side with no identity.

I was not a Moyes fan but we did have an identity, not one I liked, but everyone knew it. What are we now?

I have said it before and will say it again, we are playing our way into the Championship instead of scrapping to stay in this league.

Rant over.

Lesley Evans
81 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:10:50
Unfortunate comment.
James Stewart
82 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:24:52
Nothing new here. Same old rhetoric from an increasingly desperate man.

I wish someone would ask him where is this good football we have been playing? Aimlessly passing it sideward and backwards in your own half does not constitute ’good football’.

What’s wrong with crosses, long shots, free kicks and corners Roberto? Every other team seems to celebrate goals from them. Mourinho enjoyed their goal from a crossed free kick to put out the rs this week. Why neglect a massive part of the game? I suspect a new manager will be in charge before we turn any corner and results improve and not before time.

Darren Robinson-Cooke
83 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:08:27
I seem to remember Roberto coming out with similar interviews and sound bites when he took Wigan down... Let’s hope that’s not the case here, I really wanted him to succeed but sadly it looks like this isn’t a blip in form but under him a shape of things to come...
Dave Abrahams
84 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:32:24
Nick Page(77) what was your comment about and who was it directed at ?
Nigel Gregson
85 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:40:47
Ha - he must have been reading ToffeeWeb. What a wind up!

Sorry, Roberto, as much as I like you, that was uncalled for. But at least go get some damn results now.

Brin Williams
86 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:36:44
DE 27 ’people who get attacked get defensive.’

Sorry mate but in my experience ’people who get attacked, attack back’ and isn’t that what Martinez appears to have done – hit back – shows he is not afraid of confrontation.

I do not condone his "proper’ remark – perhaps he was in a ’moment’ of anger and retaliation – let’s just hope that manifests itself on the pitch for the remainder of his tenancy.

I do think his remark made him look a proper Charlie, though.

Andrew Ellams
87 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:39:34
Phil @ 60, you’re correct it’s absolutely unacceptable. It was when we had a poor side in 98 and it definitely is now. If this manager took this squad down, then surely he would never work in football management again.

Dave @ 84. Never seen Life of Brian? You should, brilliant film.

John Louis Jones
88 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:38:10
What a condescending prick! I have watching every game home and away this season.

Proper Evertonians!! Firstly the reason I am giving him shit is that fact he cannot see the our football is slow and predictable, we defend like Under-10s and we couldn’t score in a brothel even with � stapled to our foreheads. I can not remember the last time we scored from a corner or an IDK let alone defended one properly Oh! yes I do Mr Martinez – under David Moyes!!!

I was never Mr Moyes Biggest fan and yes he did the shortest most uninspiring press conferences known to man but when we was playing shit and getting beat he would hold his hand up and say this is not good enough.

You Sir have no right to call any Evertonian ’proper’ as we will still be here when you pick up your P45.

Dave Abrahams
89 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:47:35
Andrew (86) no I haven’t, thanks for that.
Nick Page
90 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:42:25
It’s an analogy, Dave directed at Martinez’s comments re "proper" Evertonians (from Life of Brian). Why?

Allan Board
91 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:29:00
Mr Moment needs to clarify this comment quickly, like today, and I hope for his sake that he meant the media and not the fans. If he doesnÂ’t then a toxic atmosphere will remain right up to the derby and on the day it will end up being more about him getting stick than us helping the team to win.

However, even if he did mean the media, theyÂ’re still fucking right to criticise you as you have been rubbish! Grow a pair, toughen up, you are supposed to be manager of Everton FC for christÂ’s sake!!! Just more unprofessional, classless rubbish from Mr Moment.

Nick Page
92 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:56:51
If Martinez reads this board, he’s even more deluded than I thought given that it was fairly obvious towards the latter end of last season things were starting to sour and there was no Plan B.

And then we had the pre-season piss-take. Most of which was highlighted on here well before it became toxic.

Jeff Hughes
93 Posted 29/01/2015 at 10:37:22
At what point, Roberto, does a ’proper Evertonian’ stop showing support?

This is not a comment about media criticism because Savage et al are not Evertonians. It is an attempt to get fans to cheer mediocrity because they shouldn’t upset the fragile egos of our stars.

At what point does realism set in? The team has the worst current form in the league. Is there an Evertonian around who believes we have only had one bad game and if Roberto really believes his own statements then the only person not in the real world is Roberto!

This bullshit is aggravating fans and increasing their criticism of his management. He has to accept we are playing badly; more importantly, he has to change the way we are playing and get some results. Then we might at least tolerate his phenomenal utterances.... then again!

Jay Wood
94 Posted 29/01/2015 at 09:20:23
Each to their own...

Players and managers alike are contracturally obliged to front up before the media. Otherwise, IÂ’m sure they would never or rarely front up.

For confirmation of this, see the very funny recent Seattle Seahawks player pressie when he replied 29 times to every question: "IÂ’m just here so I wonÂ’t get fined."

I enjoyed MoyesÂ’s gruff sometimes disdainful attitude to the press. I accept RMÂ’s constant positivism. ItÂ’s the nature of the two beasts.

Now obviously many put great stock in every utterance from the manager, as this thread and a broader Â’furoreÂ’ over the Â’proper EvertonianÂ’ comment demonstrates.

But if you take the time to read the whole article, the headline says: Everton boss Roberto Martinez: "We are determined to repay faith of the fans." Nothing wrong with that, surely?

The first paragragh reads: "Roberto Martinez wants to repay the faith of the Everton FC fans who have stuck by the team despite their torrid run of form." Again, nothing wrong with that. But of course the focus falls only on the Â’proper EvertoniansÂ’ comment.

Not the wisest of words to have fallen from Señor Martinez’s lips in his time with us, but personally, I’m not inclined towards outraged indignation, faux or real, in relation to them.

No. What concerns me more in his comments was this: "the performances have been better than the results have shown." This is lost in the uproar surrounding the Â’proper EvertonianÂ’ comment. For me personally, if RM truly believes this, then it is far more disconcerting than his others comments.

I’m surprised more Evertonians – ’proper’ or otherwise – don’t concern themselves more with that observation on our performances and results which surely should be of greater concern right now.

Andrew Ellams
95 Posted 29/01/2015 at 11:06:30
Every manager knows that the fans hold a key part to his future. When the booing starts and the numbers of empty seats increase, then it’s a one-way path to the exit sign.
Conor Skelly
96 Posted 29/01/2015 at 11:08:41
You know it’s bad when you couldn’t even be bothered watching the pre-match press conferences anymore.
Nick Page
97 Posted 29/01/2015 at 11:06:50
Tbh, I couldn’t care less what the daft get says, I gave up listening to his toe-curling post-match drivel ages ago.

The point is, if he is offended/upset/whatever then he should understand that the paying fucking public (i.e. the mob) don’t want this shite "brand" of football, don’t want excuses, don’t want players playing for the sake of it, and do want a manager/players that give a shit, face up to the problems, accept that things need to change and GET FUCKING ON WITH IT.

Steve Pugh
98 Posted 29/01/2015 at 11:16:16
To be fair to Roberto, it is probably just a language thing, he was trying to say something nice but got his words mixed up.

It also happened at the start of the year when BK gave him his targets for the year. Champions League, Chamionship are very similar when you think about it. So as far as Martinez is concerned he is bang on target.

Syd Morton
99 Posted 29/01/2015 at 11:17:05
We do have a good squad, they have shown over last season that they can compete at the top, there are goals and goal scorers in the team and the defence has shown over last season that it can be mean.

Unfortunately we have a manager who has decided to change tactics and adopt a game plan that doesn’t suit the team or the fans. It’s in his hands to change it over the next couple of games and if he can’t then it’s up to the board to remove him and put someone there who can. It’s all about survival now; we’ve dropped back 10 years in half a season.

What a massive disappointment after last season.

Amit Vithlani
100 Posted 29/01/2015 at 11:17:33
In general agreement with Jay post 94, but would add a couple of points (not facts, just opinions):

1. I cannot recall Martinez criticizing performances in his tenure, with a few exceptions. It may not be myopia, more a habit of finding something positive in every game (except, it appears, the Hull game). This of course is a subjective approach as it is based on perception but it does imply consistency in his opinions on performances.

2. I read the "proper Evertonians" as a misguided mis-communicated call to arms, asking the supporters to rally around the team in home games. PR seems to be a problem as there is a growing sense of irritation at the utterances of the bloke summarized by Paul Ferry, but ultimately I do not believe he was implying anything untoward on those fans who have been booing.

Then again this is a completely subjective take on his comment.

Simon Lloyd
101 Posted 29/01/2015 at 11:26:16
Jay #94

Spot on. The results have been a fair reflection of the performances. The fact that RM doesn’t acknowledge that is worrying.

Max Wilson
102 Posted 29/01/2015 at 12:22:32
As my nan would say, he’s a PROPER caution. It all comes over as a load of bullshit and we all know what "proper Spaniards" do to their bulls. The next few fixtures must surely determine his future with us?
James Cadwaladr
103 Posted 29/01/2015 at 12:25:06
I’m not really too bothered what he says to the press to be honest. He has always had a certain way about him with the media. It’s his style.

I only care about drastic improvement, immediately. That’s all that matters.

Paul Smith
104 Posted 29/01/2015 at 12:21:16
I’ve been going the match since the mid-70s and count myself as very fortunate that I was going all the aways when we won things. Now though, because I believe this manager to be taking us backwards very quickly, I’m not a proper Evertonian. Well, Bobby, if all the proper fans go away and support the team no matter what, why is our away record abysmal in the last 3 months?

The way I look at it is, if the fans don’t vent their frustration at the team to try and force change (be it playing style or personnel), then we just sink into the abyss. There is no leadership at the club from top to bottom. What I don’t understand is why none of his backroom staff seem to have a go and all seem yes-men to me. Surely Duncan Ferguson should be up and demanding more from this set of players?

As someone said before, we as proper or improper fans, have all got a right to our point of view and will all be here long before and after he has gone. The day I sit there and just say nothing and not care what happens to my club will be the day I give up my season ticket and watch in the pub like the other shower. Bobby needs to remember the saying, "Don’t bite the hand that feeds you."

Peter Barry
105 Posted 29/01/2015 at 12:54:32
It just doesn’t get better, does it? Yet more gobbledegook from Roberto.
Sean Kelly
106 Posted 29/01/2015 at 11:57:51
Can someone please explain to me what Martinez means by "proper Evertonians" or better still whatÂ’s an "improper Evertonian"? Are you improper if you boo bad performances after digging the change out of the sofa to bring your grandchild to Goodison? Are you improper if you donÂ’t see things as Martinez does or complain on supporter sites like this? If you have a different opinion or view on things are we to be banned from Goodison?

Listen here, Mr Martinez, IÂ’ve been in and out of Goodison for over 50 years and IÂ’ve never met an improper Evertonian. IÂ’ve seen some bullshitters in my time but you are top of the pile. You should be grateful to all Evertonians for turning up to watch the shite you profess.

You should apologise to ALL OFFENDED EVERTONIANS. Either that or fuck off – we don’t need divisive twats at OUR CLUB, especially at times like these.

John Keating
108 Posted 29/01/2015 at 13:07:38
I have no doubt that Martinez is a nice guy. The manager of a football Club should be a leader and realise that the supporters are the Club. Martinez and his comments are consistently that of a man who is not a leader, in fact in any other business he’d be out on his ear.

This guy has been living in the UK for years, there can be no doubt whatsoever that he knew exactly what he was saying and in the context he was saying it. The man should do the proper thing and walk and leave the proper Evertonians to support the Club in the way we’ve always done.

If they deserve it then they’re the best players in the world, if they shirk and play crap then they get it tight. Every Club is the same, and every Club has done the same since footy began. The man is a clown.

John Hughes
109 Posted 29/01/2015 at 13:15:01
"the Christmas period was tough but we have come through that now..." No, no Roberto, we have not come through it; the nightmare continues. This is the most bizarre quote in my opinion.

And by the way, Brian Labone would never have said "one proper Evertonian is worth 20 Liverpudlians"!

Brent Stephens
110 Posted 29/01/2015 at 13:58:37
Can I just tut loudly in Upper Bullens and still be a proper Evertonian?
Brian Hennessy
111 Posted 29/01/2015 at 13:50:00
I don’t know where to start with Bobby latest comments.

Apart from the "proper Evertonians" bit, he also says,
"The Christmas period was very tough but we have come through that now" – am I missing something here, what have we exactly come through, when did we last win a game?

"Big moments we had at the start of the season" – I can’t recall many "big moments" except for a few good results in Europa league".

"We have played a lot better than the results show", oh okay all is forgiven, I must have been mistaken, the team I have been watching got exactly the results they deserved.

This guy has lost the plot.

Sid Logan
112 Posted 29/01/2015 at 14:07:48
I have just realised that I can’t stand to watch or listen to Martinez any more. I view him now with same feeling I have for politicians who speak with the same kind of detachment from reality. All my Evertonian mates feel exactly the same.

At least we have only two more games to suffer before BK will be obliged to act decisively. If he doesn’t it probably means we’ve won them both!

Dave Lynch
113 Posted 29/01/2015 at 14:08:39
I’ll tell you what a proper Evertonian is, Bobby, you sanctimonious tit.

It’s one who has put up with long periods of trophieless years bought about by gross mismanagement of the club and compounded by certain managers who appear clueless when it comes to winning important football matches when it matters (see Moyes and then look in the mirror).

It’s one that turns up on a regular basis despite the above and pays a fortune each season to witness the above.

It’s one that can see and recognise decent football when he sees it and even in defeat can be diplomatic and forgiving as long as the team have had a go and put a shift in.

It’s also one that can see through masquerading bullshitters like yourself and your luvvy chairman.

Wanker!

Dave Abrahams
114 Posted 29/01/2015 at 14:22:39
Nick Page (92) No problem Nick, I hadn’t seen the film, understand your comment now.
Dave Abrahams
115 Posted 29/01/2015 at 14:41:52
Brent (110) if you sit nearby were I sit in The Upper Bullens and you tut loudly, yes I think that would be frowned upon.

If you get up and have a go, a lot by me seem to be looking for a steward, so I just carry on being myself, but sometimes I think I have forgot my library books.

Joseph Clarke
116 Posted 29/01/2015 at 14:48:54
Stand up, all you improper Evertonians!
Brent Stephens
117 Posted 29/01/2015 at 14:55:38
Dave #115, you obviously sit in a more sedate area of UB!
Mark Andersson
118 Posted 29/01/2015 at 13:52:36
Love it. Great debate, Steve Guy almost convinced me that the other 80% of posts had got it all wrong. My only observation is that more people are using the word Â’deludedÂ’. IÂ’ve been banging on about this deluded manager since the beginning of the season.

As other people have pointed out, the results and performances since the tail end of last season would have resulted in the sacking of Martinez. Billy Boy surely must be squirming in his theatre chair every time Bobby opens his mouth.

I still think the players have a responsibility to ensure that they as individuals need to step up to the mark. Only Naismith gives 100% – the rest look like they’re sulking because they cant or don’t want to play Bobby’s deluded game plan.

Pardew will be relishing Saturday. Another fuckwit of a manager, who escaped the wrath of the Toon army. According to our Bobby, we are the Doom and Gloom army.

Eric Myles
119 Posted 29/01/2015 at 14:49:38
He’s just a thin Spanish waiter!!!!
James Hughes
120 Posted 29/01/2015 at 14:50:10
From the sublime to the ridiculous.

Last season, we enjoyed his positive comments; now, we compare him to a politician for his empty words.

Mike #70 makes some interesting points. Well, BK is certainly not preventing this crisis turning into a drama (I see a stage play coming). Also, If Roberto is going out fighting, can he transfer that attitude to the pitch please

Last time I checked I am Spartacus – I won’t wear anything red, maybe makes me ’Proper Blue’.

COYB

Conor Skelly
122 Posted 29/01/2015 at 15:07:14
I can’t watch the Press conference because I want to keep my lunch down but if he is referring to the critics as improper fans, it reminds me of when BK criticized the Blue Union in the car park.

Whatever Martinez says should be attributed to BK. Martinez, as I keep saying, is PR first, Management second.

Victor Jones
123 Posted 29/01/2015 at 15:45:19
IÂ’ve been supporting Everton FC since roughly about 1968, and I cannot ever remember any manager talking about proper or improper supporters. You either support or you donÂ’t.

Or is it that Martinez does not take to kindly to criticism and some booing after one of his team’s poor performances? Well tough. ThatÂ’s part and parcel of football. Although I donÂ’t agree with signalling out Barkley, Martinez and his tactics (which are non-existent) do deserve to be critised. And sometimes all supporters can do to show discontentment is the old tried and tested booing. Sorry, Mr Martinez ,if that goes against your philosophy.

And by the way, Martinez didnÂ’t hang about Wigan long enough to hear the booing, once he got them relegated, did he?

Denis Richardson
124 Posted 29/01/2015 at 16:02:02
Victor - the ’proper’ supporters will let him know what it’s about in the next few days.

Martinez could potentially have just 48 hours left as our manager. Not much point debating things anymore until the palace result’s in.

Brian Harrison
125 Posted 29/01/2015 at 16:01:16
Another day and another load of rubbish spouted by RM this guy could talk for an hour and you still wouldn’t know what he was talking about at the end. No wonder the players look perplexed at times. I think you could count on one hand the times he hasn’t used the words phenomenal or incredible in his press conferences. The signing of Eto was according to RM was phenomenal and it would be incredible for the young players to learn from. Well why has this phenomenal footballer gone to Italy within 6 months of signing his contract. Couldnt be he had enough of El Cid.
Oliver Molloy
127 Posted 29/01/2015 at 16:42:50
Pardew has signed QPR midfielder Jordan Mutch and former barcodes striker Shola Ameobi just in time to face us.

Meanwhile our manager is explaining to all us how dangerous Palace are and they are in a "good moment"
As if we need telling!

Victor Jones
128 Posted 29/01/2015 at 15:37:26
Whether I am a proper or an improper supporter I donÂ’t know. (TBH that comment doesnÂ’t bother me, its a load of nonsense from a manager who knows that his "philosophy " is failing, and he is clutching at anything to get him out of this mess). The pressure is now on. He escaped lightly at Wigan. The cup win has been pushed to the front of everyone consciousness and the hopeless football that Wigan played during their league campaign has been conveniently pushed to one side. Mock this next comment, but similarities are there for all to see. Everton playing the Martinez way are not to good to be relegated.

So Martinez reckons that Everton have only been poor once in recent months. Nonsense. Did he think that we played well against Stoke, Southampton, Newcastle and he couldnÂ’t even outsmart Big Sam after two attempts.

I was even disappointed at the defeat from that piss poor Russian team. IMO Martinez missed a trick that night, Stuff Krasnodar and build momentum. Not waffle about the youngsters gaining experience. Never to be played since. And what experience comes from losing. I like everyone else on here could pick faults in almost every game played this season (even the games we won or drew). Very worrying that our manager does not exactly see the game the way the rest of us do.

And also as stated numerous times, were is his Plan B, or even a Plan C. He doesnÂ’t have any, he never did have any. I just hope that the players have something about them to play their way to safety. Cause I reckon it will be their doing if Everton survive this season, and not anything to do with anything Martinez does. So he should be redundant in the summer. Then get a manager in who will make a meaningful difference. After last season I thought that we would really push on, but Martinez had other ideas. Of course he doesnÂ’t want Everton to lose, but he now seems incapable of leading them to actually win football matches.

When all said and done, this is one proper Evertonian (or maybe improper) supporter who wants this great club to go on a run of wins in the next couple of months, with or without Martinez. But I would still want change in the summer. I donÂ’t think Martinez can change, and Everton (at present) donÂ’t have the players to play his brand of football.

Coleman to Jags. Jags to Duffy. Duffy to Baines. Baines looks around and plays a square ball to Jags. Jags passes out to Barkley. Barkley to Barry. Barry slips. Baines nips in and passes back to Jags. Jags squares to Duffy. Duffy to Coleman. Coleman passes back to Howard. Howard slips but manages to pas out to Baines. And so on and on we go in the twilight zone. And Martinez applauds the wonderful possession football. (You think IÂ’m joking... I only wish I was.)

Survive this season, regroup, get in a new manager, offload the walking wounded, target the areas that need strengthening, Meaningfully bring some of our better youngsters through, Build momentum in the summer with meaningful friendly. And hit the ground running next season. For now the Europa League is not important, just take it as it comes. But take no chances with our Sunday games, they get priority. Time now for a "proper" drink. And hereÂ’s hoping that we soon have a "proper board and manager". And also the return of some "proper" football at Everton. Rant over.

Jay Harris
129 Posted 29/01/2015 at 16:43:00
As a proper Evertonian of some 54 years standing who has lived through every emotion with the club I love I feel entitled to say how I see it and to criticise or praise as I see fit.

In my business life I have been used to working with people that "make it happen" rather than dreamers.

I am afraid I have come to the conclusion that this manager is a total fantasist.

I believe he has made the comment about "proper" Evertonians and comradery to make his case to bungling Bill that it is the "unproper" supporters who are causing the team to not perform well similar to Bill trying to isolate Blue union and rally support..

He seems to forget that most "proper" supporters saw through the shambolic pre season preparations and ridiculous team selections and tactics all season to the extent that his inadequacies as a manager have been well and truly exposed.

Will Firstbrook
130 Posted 29/01/2015 at 17:02:11
Jay Wood @96 - bang on.

Certainly understandable why some would take that "proper" qualification in the wrong vein. Stupid choice of words no doubt and one I am sure he regrets (along with a few others heÂ’s made in the past).

For me, without a doubt the more alarming and contentious statement was in relation to his belief (and I presume itÂ’s honest) that recent results are not reflective of better performances. That actually made my eye twitch.

Joseph Clarke
131 Posted 29/01/2015 at 17:00:03
His words echo the comments of Graham Sharp after the West Brom game. He refused to criticise the team, the tactics or the manager. However he didnÂ’t hold back from criticising the Everton supporters who were at the game and expressed their feelings about the team, and some individual players. Apparently we are not supposed to do that. COYB
Phil Walling
132 Posted 29/01/2015 at 17:21:07
After ’the Blackpool incident’, Catterick would never give supporters the time of day – indeed, I can never recall him mentioning us in any context.

Perhaps it was better to be ignored than categorised – it certainly never bothered us in during his glory days!

Paul Andrews
133 Posted 29/01/2015 at 17:41:35
An attempt to gather the troops and circle the wagons has gone wrong with the wrong choice of words unfortunately.
Victor Jones
134 Posted 29/01/2015 at 17:32:06
Well said, Dave Lynch. Agree with everything that you said.

Now if Martinez could only have seen that for the most part that his tippy tappy nonsense was not working, and if he only had the good sense and vision to come up with a Plan B, then maybe we would all become "proper" Evertonians, and applaud the team. I would. No problem there, cause I know good football when I see it, (as we all do). But does Martinez want everyone to applaud proper shite. And never criticise? The man's a fool. And a dangerous fool at that.

As for the Everton board, they just canÂ’t compete with the real powerhouses. But thatÂ’s another topic. COYBS.

Ray Roche
135 Posted 29/01/2015 at 17:55:44
Phil, the "Blackpool Incident" is largely a myth.
Joe Clitherow
136 Posted 29/01/2015 at 17:47:57
Just a few observations that IÂ’m not sure have been covered in this thread.

First, if, and only if, the "proper" is really meant as people have interpreted here (and I donÂ’t buy lost in translation), then the mask of this journeyman, mercenary, snake-oil salesman has slipped and you can see the attempt to divide fans. Maybe these same, snide tactics have been used in the dressing room, which explains a lot of things;

Second, the biggest thing for me in this article seems to have been missed, and that is the reference to "stubborn mentality". People seem to have assumed that means he will change to dig out results, but what if he meant that he was even more wedded to his non-existent system? That would be more in character for my money. No, Roberto, your stubborn mentality is what got us into this mess in the first place; flexibility, adaptation and bags of grit is what will get us out.

Lastly,

Oliver 129

That would be the same Jordan Mutch of the cynical thug tackle that put Mirallas out. Hopefully there are some aftershocks to be had there. If only Reidy was still playing, on any number of levels...

Peter Mills
138 Posted 29/01/2015 at 18:22:40
With each passing season it becomes more difficult to suspend all critical faculties following these chancers, spivs and con men. We do so because we love our football club, which for many of us is in our DNA. If one of millionaires chooses their words badly, even if it is in their second language, they deserve all the stick they get.
Trevor Peers
139 Posted 29/01/2015 at 17:59:41
Martinez definitely chose the wrong word to insult his critics amongst our great supporters. ’Proper’ – meaning ’real’, ’genuine’, ’actual’ – the bloody cheek! And not words either, that spring to mind about this season’s unacceptable team performances under the manager.
Paul Tran
140 Posted 29/01/2015 at 18:10:37
I read the piece and straightaway thought he was differentiating between Evertonians and pundits.

Been fun reading the reactions, though.

If you don't like him, you'll scrutinise everything he says/doesn't say to 'prove' you're right.

Back in the real world, some of us are patiently waiting for a bit of life on the pitch. That's what will determine his future, rather than a desparate effort to over analyse and distort his daily soundbites.

By the way Phil, Bet 365 offered me 4/11 for a bet on us to stay up. Tells you all you need to know.......

Steve Woods
141 Posted 29/01/2015 at 17:40:30
Dave Lynch 115. Cracking post that well said, my sentiments exactly.

As a supporter for 50 years, I would just like to say to you Señor Martinez... just fuck off and take all of your shite backroom Wigan staff with you. You aren't good enough for this club, never have been and never will be.

All shaping up nicely (not) for the derby match then. A pissed off Goodison crowd turning on Martinez.

Colin Glassar
142 Posted 29/01/2015 at 18:42:14
Joe #138, Journeyman? Mercenary? In what sense joe? Is it illegal to have had more than one job? I can understand your 'snake oil salesman' dig but the other two? If that is the case for all those who change jobs for improved terms, money, prospects etc....then as the good book says, "he who is without sin cast the first stone".
Phil Walling
143 Posted 29/01/2015 at 18:41:28
Thanks for putting us all right, Paul. I'm sorry that so many of us read Bobby's remarks the wrong way.

In order to avoid misunderstandings like this in future, perhaps the Club will consider taking you on to explain the real meaning behind the manager's outpourings as they are so often misconstrued.

Expect to be quite busy because 'us impropers' are thick buggers, you see!

Darren Hind
144 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:10:15
4/11 Paul? You would clearly be buying money

How much did you put on? ... you did lump on, didn't you?

Dave Lynch

Nail... head.

Joe Clitherow
145 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:10:07
Colin,

Journeyman because when he gets sacked from EFC (as he will) he will no longer get coveted jobs and will be scrabbling round anyone desperate enough to take a chance (in my opinion).

Mercenary is a direct reference to the fact that he could not wait to jump ship from Wigan after getting them relegated, which, as I've said before, was a dishonourable act, and to not even offer to help recover showed a lack of moral compass. Equally, you could read into that his diminishing remarks about "proper" Evertonians, questioning their commitment, presumably as compared to his? The difference of course is that we all pump money into the club, whereas he only takes it out. We'll be here long after he has gone.

Mostly though, if you think I'm being insulting and that's a bit of a change, you'd be dead right, because I'm just fed up seeing his face spouting unintelligible shite all of the time.

"Performances better than the results?" Is he serious? Are you serious in apparently defending him? There's the real insult to all of us expecting that crap to be swallowed. He is an embarrassment to the club on and off the field. Get shut now.

Paul Andrews
146 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:26:04
The bookies are very rarely wrong when compiling their odds.
Anyone who believes we will be relegated should get on at 25/1.

That means if you have 𧴜 at 25/1 you will lose 𧴜.

Ross Edwards
147 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:25:11
Joe, I can almost guarantee that Martinez's next job will be in La Liga. I can't see another Premier League team employing him if we go down. The possibility of 2 relegations in 3 years would be disastrous for his career.

Some La Liga team will take him. Probably someone like Celta or Espanyol. Then if he does well there he'll probably get the likes of Sevilla or Valencia after him.

Mike Green
148 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:24:02
Steve Guy #64 - we might be alone on this one but I agree with you.

He's made a right fuck up in how he's put it but I think you're right, he's defending the club and the players against the media, and probably trying the inspire a bit of a siege mentality from us.

I went on Boxing Day and booed them off – they were absolute SHITE and, though his statements backfired, I think I know what he was trying to say.

Unless he was calling thousands of us a bunch of so-and-sos, in which case he can fuck off! :D

Roll on, Saturday, Roberto, do your talking at 3pm.

Anthony Flack
149 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:23:36
I am afraid my view of Martinez has now flipped from benefit of the doubt, to viewing him as an utter twat. I am referring to his statement about proper Evertonians and the only poor performance being against Hull.

For me this is his Mike Walker moment (when that twat said he enjoyed a game where the RS beat us).

It feels as contemptible as the way Newcastle treat their fans.

Sorry but fuck him, he has no clue what real Evertonian is or what a good performance is...

Kevin Dale
150 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:33:40
Not a good statement from him, plus saying only one game was poor does not fill me with confidence, I too have supported this team since the early sixties through the good the bad and the ugly, I will be here long after this man has gone leaving the team and club in what seems at the moment clueless plus lacking leaders both on and off the field.

I will as ever be behind the team on Saturday, COYBLUES

Joe Kaliszczak
151 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:52:08
What a dipstick!
Declan Brown
152 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:41:00
Dear, oh dear, Roberto, what have you just went and said?

Giving this guy the benefit of the doubt, I'd hope he meant the pundits in the media, but weren't these guys the same ones who fawned over him last year? It's called taking the rough with the smooth.

Now if, he meant the fans who booed at the players, performances and results, well we head towards the Goodison Derby after a difficult game first at Palace, I hate Pardew, words cannot describe that, he bristles with us, remember his "we've gave them a footballing lesson" after his West Ham team beat us 2-1 at Goodison? He'll be relishing this. Then Liverpool and Chelsea after that. Doesn't get any easier eh?

As for the Derby, if we don't win at Palace, Roberto is still here for the Derby, an evening Saturday game under the lights, Liverpool in frightening form (they're going to give someone a good beating soon, they're back to how they were in the second half of last season, i'm worried for this one), if it gets off to a bad start, Roberto, you're going to find out what the Everton fans think of that. Never turn on your own fans. Not many survive after doing that.

Looks to me like we're coming to an ending, a parting, wonder what Bill thinks of that comment, if he saw it early on surely a phone call to Roberto to get him to clear it up quickly? Even Bill could see how we would react to that or is it making it easier for him to pull the trigger?

Concerning times just got more concerning...

Colin Glassar
153 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:45:25
Joe, thanks for the clarification. I'm certainly not defending him for his stupid, ill-informed remark (see #4) about so-called 'proper Evertonians'.

Where I do digress with you is this pompous statement about him being 'dishonourable' for leaving Wigan. Now I know you don't mean this. I mean who in their right mind would stay in a job with no future when a better one is offered? Dislike him all you want but anyone in a similar position would've done the same.

Andrew Rimmer
154 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:01:16
GET THIS TIT OUT OF MY CLUB!
Stephen Brown
155 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:58:56
This is surely a mistake in language terms. There's no way RM would deliberately try to divide the fans. He's not stupid! I think most of us would make similar mistakes in Spanish!

Please start getting a few wins so we can start debating players, formations etc

When will this nightmare end? At least under Walker, Kendall markIII we knew we were crap!

Joe Clitherow
156 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:05:20
Colin

You speak for yourself mate. That's not me being pompous, I would feel some responsibility. At the very least the financially secure Martinez could have kept quiet and indicated some form of moral support having relegated Wigan.

"I'm off" was virtually his first comment so no-one was in any doubt. No hand wringing or moral dilemma from Roberto. Clearly we'll never agree on this one

Colin Glassar
157 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:11:50
Stephen, I speak fluent Spanish and for the life of me I can't work out what other interpretation can there be. Verdadero = true. So true or proper still sounds insulting to a large section of Evertonians who are, justifiably, angry at performances and results this season.
Stephen Brown
158 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:15:57
Maybe I'm clutching at straws, Colin, but whilst accepting RM makes a few stupid comments about the team's performance, I can't believe he would purposely alienate the supporters! I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt anyway. The only way for him to save himself now is results!
Colin Glassar
159 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:16:07
Maybe pompous wasn't the right word (I'm even starting to sound like him now), Joe, but didn't OFM do something quite similar? I mean he walked out on us for a "better job" and even though we criticised him for it, deep down we could understand him to a degree.

Martinez knew that every season would be a struggle to keep Wigan up, every season he would have to sell his best players, every day he would have to listen to Whelan's broken leg stories etc... In his case it was a no-brainer to come to Everton FC.

Rob Baker
160 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:13:43
Enough of the BS Roberto. Accept the truth about our playing style and performances, sack the possession game off, get back to direct football, sign a new GK, creative midfielder and someone who can hit the back of the net and lets have a Moyes-esque end of season run.
Andy Crooks
161 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:08:24
Colin, I disagree. I'm sure he was well paid at Wigan and I believe that anyone with integrity would have had a go at getting them back again. He fled a sinking ship and I believe their are many supporters earning a pittance who would have more honour than that.

Surely, when you have enough to live comfortably, doing the right thing might enter your mind. He is a particularly poor hired hand at our club and I am not offended by his comments because he will be gone and forgotten.

Stephen Brown
162 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:22:13
The terrible run of form has led to many Evertonians seeing no good in RM! Personally I don't think he can be critisised for leaving Wigan. He served them well (I know they were relegated!!!) and left with their blessing.

I think he's a decent man who has slightly been found out! As I said previously, it's only results that can save him now and that will mean learning quickly from his mistakes and adapting his style. I for one hope he can do it but for the first time I'm not holding me breathe!

I wouldn't have predicted this in August!

Colin Glassar
163 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:26:21
That just doesn't make sense, Andy. If you are working for a firm that is struggling, that is always laying off people, where you don't know if it will still be a viable concern in 12 months time etc... and a bigger company offers you a better job (even though you are well paid) you wouldn't grab it with both hands?

Wigan in a few years will be back in the northern conference!!! Whelan knows once he's gone that club is doomed, It will be another Gretna, look where they are now. Criticise him, hate him, berate him by all means but this just smacks of pettiness.

Andy Meighan
164 Posted 29/01/2015 at 19:47:23

These words sound like a desperate man living on borrowed time. Sorry, Roberto but there's not many Evertonians behind you now this season. You've served up the biggest pile of shite I've had the misfortune to witness since that clown came down from Carrow Road. There's not one performance this season where I've walked out of Goodison and said that was brilliant. Even when we beat villa 3-0, that was turgid. Ditto QPR – appalling football, appalling tactics, appalling lack of nous, appalling lack of substitutions. I could go on.

I've never wanted an Everton manager sacked because I've always felt given time he could turn it round and that after witnessing Walker's sides, Kendall MKIII – admittedly had his hands tied financially, but you haven't. You've been allowed to spend and spend big, Lukaku and McCarthy to name but two. And most of your signings have been shite:... Alcaraz, Kone, McGeady, Robles spring to mind.

I said earlier in the season you've desperately tried to turn us into Wigan but now you've succeeded, minus the relegation but that's only round the corner isn't it? I, like every other Evertonian, hope we wallop Palace on Saturday but do you know what? I know deep in my heart it won't happen. Even when we go a goal up I still fear the worst. I never felt like that under miserable arse because his sides knew how to defend. Yours don't.

The only thing I will defend you on is I hope the fans don't turn on you at the derby. Because nothing would give them gloating red twats more pleasure than to be singing relegation songs all fucking game. That's not out of any great respect to you just because I'd like to see them silly fuckers quiet for once. Then again, it's been 5 years since we beat them so I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Having said all that I still think if we lose the next 3 – and that's feasible – I still don't think Kenwright will sack you. No it'll be March like it was for Smith. Only unlike then I fear it'll be too late. Dark days indeed, these. Dark days.

Joe Clitherow
165 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:33:33
Colin,

The key difference though and the crux of my point is Martinez left Wigan in the shit, you couldn't say that about Moyes and Everton, though we are now.

Stephen Brown
166 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:34:39
Didn't he leave Wigan with 'broken leg's' blessing? And the fans blessing? That's normally a sign that there wasn't a lack of integrity or loyalty?!
Stephen Brown
167 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:37:32
He did make them lots of money (Kone and McCarthy), FA Cup in the trophy cabinet and in Europe!

They were always going to be relegated at some point!!

Colin Glassar
168 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:39:59
Exactly, Stephen. He didn't sneak out of the back door like ginger who was dealing with the Mancs behind our backs. Martinez spoke to his chairman, I think he spoke to the fans and he certainly spoke to his players.

He left with the blessing of them all. So to say he somehow acted dishonestly, or dishonourably, is simply ridiculous. If this is the case then anyone of us who have left a previous employer for an improved offer are all dishonourable.

Joe Clitherow
169 Posted 29/01/2015 at 20:56:41
Colin

Sorry, like I said we'll never agree.

Your analogy doesn't hold water though. He's not the average guy scraping a living on the production line of the biscuit factory, he's the CEO who ran it into the ground through mismanagement. Very different scenario.

As for leaving with the blessing of the players, well, he didn't leave much room for any doubt did he, given his indecent haste in announcing he was off. That was the shocking thing.

Also, if they are anything like us now, they probably couldn't wait to see the back of the useless twat quick enough!

:-)

Bill Gall
170 Posted 29/01/2015 at 21:12:09
As the proper supporter has been done to death how about the other comment of "new found stubborn mentality"? – IMO, this is no new-found mentality as since the start of the season this manager has insisted that there is only one way to play the game and that is what he percieves as his way... despite only winning 1 in 13, playing people out of position, using the bench questionably at times (or not using it).

This manager is the one that has been too "stubborn" to admit he has made mistakes and change the style to get results.

As a supporter for over 50 years the only thing I now is I am an Evertonian and as such have been called a lot worse than 'improper' or 'proper'.

Paul Tran
171 Posted 29/01/2015 at 21:13:23
Phil, no need to apologise
It's got nothing to do with being thick, it's how you choose to interpret things.You make your choice, I'll make mine. I base my choice on what I read.

Darren, it is buying money, unfortunately they wouldn't let me lump on. I pointed them towards ToffeeWeb for guidance, but they only let me have a smallish bet.

Funny that. The bookies look at things rationally and only let me have a small bet at 4/11. Those with an irrational personal dislike of Martinez urge us to lump on relegation at 25/1. Hmmmm.

Andy Crooks
172 Posted 29/01/2015 at 21:30:39
Colin, I'm not singling out Martinez here. Our last manager had no integrity either. There is a lack of it in football. You can only spend so much money, after that, it seems to me, that loyalty should count for something.

I appreciate that this is probably the sad view of a fan but I would bet that you and most on this site would run out to Z-Cars for what we earn now. I do not begrudge young working class lads earning a fortune, not at all. However, when you have all you need, then what is important?

For example, if I were Mirallas, a League Cup win with Everton would count for more than a bought medal on the bench at Man City. A 20% pay increase for me would be life changing so I believe that a stage is reached when asking a supporter if they would not do the same as a player or coach is nonsensical.

Bob Heyward
173 Posted 29/01/2015 at 21:28:10
@ Andy I hear your point, mate. That Martinez left a sinking ship at Wigan is unarguable. That does, without doubt, question his loyalty. He led them to their nadir, then flipped. Shameless.

When trying to understand Colin's argument, we need to look at two things.

1: Sadly, in this day and age it is possible to operate in football without loyalty, looking only at the 'what's in it for me' angle. Sadly, younger fans who haven't been around the block can't see that selfish behaviour for what is. For example, it can be easily argued that Rooney 'left with the Clubs blessing', but we all know it was a lot darker than that.

2: There is another characteristic of the young fan to take into account; supporting the manager over the team. We see it most with Mourinho, were people actively support him, moving team loyalty as he moves clubs.

In conclusion, when acceptance of 'zero responsibility' management is blended with manager-supporting fans, I think you get the view Colin espouses. To paraphrase, it appears a sort of 'he's alright Jack' view.

I think I speak for most when I say that Andy, there is nothing wrong with what you say, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

John Malone
174 Posted 29/01/2015 at 21:42:29
Every time I hear Martinez talk the more I think he's full of shite!

God only knows what the players say about him listening to him on a day to day basis. Like every blue I really want Martinez to be a success but for me the best managers have a charisma about them were as when they speak you listen and what they say you believe. The vibe he gives off is that he is a bullshitter, loves the theory and the talk but lacks the fire and steel to gain the respect of the squad and produce the goods.

If you watch and listen to Pep Guardiola he has ultimate belief in his style and system but demands hard work and high standards on and off the ball, he says it how he sees it and isn't trying to be everyone's buddy. I fear the players have heard enough Bobby's bollox and therefore lost belief and respect for the man who is supposed to be the leader of our club!

Ross Edwards
175 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:00:54
As the saying goes, nice guys don't win. Martinez is 'too nice' if you know what I mean.
Bob Heyward
176 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:01:38
@Joe #170 Nail on head, hit you did. Biscuit factory worker...classic!
Joseph Clarke
177 Posted 29/01/2015 at 21:45:33
I can't agree with the comments about Roberto's lack of integrity for leaving Wigan. He could have left them a year earlier, but stayed on. He left with the blessing of his Chairman, who hated to see him go, and expressed massive respect for him.

He left them having won the FA Cup, against one of the most expensively assembled, and best teams in the Prem. I want to see him go, but don't hate him, and don't think he is a crook.

Mike Green
178 Posted 29/01/2015 at 21:54:29
I think it's all relative to be honest Andy.

I earn a respectable wage - some wouldn't get out of bed for it, others would crawl over broken glass for it. Neither make me do the job any better or worse or love the firm I work for any more - I just get up, do my job as best I can, have good days, bad days, good weeks, bad weeks and so on.

If I was paid 㿞k a week would I run through brick walls for my firm? In the short term, yes, but then I'd return to humanity and settle in at the standard that my peers and boss expected of me, and enough to keep me doing what I enjoyed doing.

Footballers are just like everyone else, some are truly exceptional but not all of them can be a Dean, Ball, Labone or Southall, even though they are working at the highest level, and amongst them there is also plenty of loyalty (Hibbert, Osman for example) and I believe genuinely have a great deal of respect for the club, just like you or I would for the firms we work for.

It's unfair to ask them to act like Saints just because their footballers, they are no different to anybody else - average human beings who just happen to be at the very highest percentile for twatting a bit of leather around a field.

Bob Heyward
179 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:08:23
@Ross - not so much 'nice guys don't win' as 'nice guys who choose ESPN jollies in Brasil over proper pre-season preparation will see their initial good work wrecked and end their days BS'ing away'

Tragic, really. He had it, he blew it.

Neil Pickering
180 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:09:10
God what a helmet our manager really is. He spouts the most amount of shite I have ever heard. I mean seriously, only played poorly in the Hull game? What about Southampton, hull at home, palace at home, west Brom at home etc?

And 'proper Evertonians'? Please get rid of this joker ASAP. I Can only imagine what the players think of him.

Should be a deadman walking, and hopefully after we lose on Saturday he is gone. Because make no mistake, we will lose.

Stephen Brown
181 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:12:30
Our terrible run of form has turned to having a go at RM integrity!
Granted he's made some poor decisions and says some silly things but he's nowhere near the top of any list for lack of integrity/ loyalty!

Speaking of loyalty/integrity perhaps we should give him some after a very good season last year?! (Although of course I accept his time is limited if this run continues!)

Bob Heyward
182 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:19:30
@Joe 178: your comment turns on his loyalty to Wigan in 2012. I assume you're talking about the job as chief kopite?

Kopites at the time told me he wasn't offered the job. Their word gets doses of salt, as always. But to be fair, I always thought his comments about the Liverpool job were ambiguous, i.e. 'I stayed because my chairman is unique'. That ambiguity led me at the time To conclud that he had been knocked back by the kopites and was covering it. That squares with the facts; I mean, little Martinez says no to five times euro champs Liverpool...no way! Now, lets add a little more about what we now about him - he is an historic BS merchant.

So, in conclusion, I don't think he was loyal, because he wasn't offered the Liverpool job. Instead, El BS Merchant went to Miami, got found out by the yanks, came home and span a yarn. Had he REALLY been offered the job, I think he'd have been out like a rat off a sinking ship.

As for the 'left with blessings' argument, so did Rooney...and we all know that was a bit more complex than that.

No, sorry. I can see where you're coming from, but it all relies too much on a BS merchants word about a job he probably was not offered.

Ross Edwards
183 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:29:54
Have to agree there, Bob. As great as it was to hear his views, he should have spent more time scouting and less time watching the Dutch team. Missed out on quite a few players who were a success in that tournament.
Bob Heyward
184 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:33:08
@Stephen, He is a spin merchant though. Kinda makes me think of Tony Blair! He's good at covering himself. I have a feeling that when he goes, all sorts will come out.

David Edwards
185 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:40:45
"The Christmas period was very tough but we have come through that now."

Have we? What results have suggested this amazing statement. I'll eat humble pie if we thump Palace – but I'd love to see what platitudes you have up your sleeve should be scrape a miserable draw or lose. I'm seriously annoyed by this guy. I'm actually thinking of Walker and Smith in a more positive light – it's that bad!

Ross Edwards
186 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:44:03
He seems to be getting confused or lost in his contradictory soundbites. Apparently we're still on the lookout for a GK and a creative mid. I thought he said that the solution can be found from within and that we didn't need a GK because Joel is improving the other day.

Then again, it was in the Echo so whether it is entirely believable is another issue.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Everton-fc-continue-pursuit-creative-8543731

Bob Heyward
187 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:46:16
@David HE SAID THAT?!?!?! And people continue to defend him. Sheeeesh...
Bill Gall
191 Posted 29/01/2015 at 22:57:05
Why are people suprised about as some supporters are putting it "his lack of integrity " for leaving Wigan? You only have to look at his time with Swansea. After gaining them promotion to the Championship and being linked with other managerial jobs, he stated "he would only leave Swansea if he was forced out." At this time he publicly criticised players that left the club for money or larger clubs.

So was it just more bullshit as in June 2009 he took the Wigan job at ٟ.5 million a year and took 4 of his backroom staff with him.

This move because of his previous comments of "he would not leave unless he was forced out" resulted in some of the Swansea's supporters calling him "El Judas".

The only thing that I am seeing is that he has not changed, and he is just a very ambitious person, and is not a manager that can cope with adversity.

The person to blame for the situation we are in is BK who imo, did not do a thorough background check on his managerial qualifications,and hired him through word of mouth from "supposed friends".

Fraser Auld
196 Posted 30/01/2015 at 06:41:53
Stephen Brown (#183) – good post, I agree.
Tim Greeley
198 Posted 30/01/2015 at 12:40:05
These comments – specifically that Hull was the only poor performance – confirm my suspicion that Bobby was on some high-powered acid during the Southampton game. For a trip down the coast, I can't really blame him... Ibiza and all.

Jim Hardin
200 Posted 30/01/2015 at 20:15:26
"There is incredible character in this squad and a real determination to fight for every single point," said the Wigan manager. "Nothing went right for us tonight, but we must turn it round quickly and make sure we learn from what happened.

"This was a fantastic opportunity to achieve our aim, but we made bad decisions in the second half that affected our confidence defensively. "But we are looking forward to the Cup final and the chance to inject some real momentum into our last two league games. Who knows how many points we need, but what I do know is that this club never throws the towel in. We will be ready and refreshed for the challenge ahead.

"You have to be strong defensively at moments like this but we were punished at the back because of the way injuries have disrupted our defence."

Eerily similar quotes from Roberto during Wigan's last season in the EPL. Scary part of the DM article was the pictures which showed Robles and Kone who are now here.


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