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Southall talks about Everton's season

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"What people have to remember is that under David Moyes, the football was boring," he says. "It was defensive football really and people were crying out for a change. I was one of them.

"When Roberto came in, it was a breath of fresh air because he went and attacked everyone.

"I don't think for a minute Everton will go down. They will get through this season and it could be the best thing that's ever happened to them.

"They have had a good season under Roberto and now a shit season, so let's see the real Everton. It could be real motivation for next season.

"Also, it could be they survive relegation and win a cup. There is form here for that. We did it in 1995 and are there any teams in Europe to be scared off? No. Not for me.

"The type of football Roberto plays is not wrong for Everton. It is right for Everton," said Southall, who made almost 750 appearances for the club.

"Sometimes it maybe doesn't go forward quickly enough and that is the only thing I would say. If I have someone like Lukaku, I don't want him with his back to goal.

"I was doubtful when Roberto first arrived because of Wigan. But he is not Mike Walker because he knows something about football. He has a deep knowledge of football. He knows what he wants.

"When we started the season, we only really had the squad we had last season. It did well last season, but it needed another couple of bodies at least.

"It just seems to be that there is something not quite right and I don't think it is the manager and I don't think it is the players. It might just need a spark somewhere.

"When David Moyes first came in, it took him 11 years to build a team that he thought was okay... and he still wasn't satisfied with that team. How long as Roberto been there?

"They are a moment or a player away from being a decent team. They have two decent goalkeepers, two of the best full-backs in Europe, two decent centre-halves, a young one who is going to be top, top class.

"The midfield is okay, you've got pace wide with Lennon and Mirallas, in centre midfield McCarthy has been excellent. Barry has had a bit of stick, Gibson's not played a lot, but Naismith has been absolutely magnificent and been my player of the year so far. Lukaku has been through good and bad periods."

Quotes sourced from Daily Express


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Brian Hill
1 Posted 19/03/2015 at 06:06:20
"It just seems to be that there is something not quite right and I don't think it is the manager and I don't think it is the players. It might just need a spark somewhere."

If it is not the manager or the players, who is it?

Chris Gould
2 Posted 19/03/2015 at 06:08:47
Agreed, Brian, that comment made little sense.
I've been trying to convince myself for the last few weeks to give Martinez another go. To believe in him once again.
But I can't shake the frustration of having to watch so much crap for so long before he finally made some changes. And the fact that the changes seem to have been implemented due to crowd/player pressure and a belated recognition from the media that Martinez maybe isn't so wonderful after all.
We have all been crying out for months for these changes, so why did it take him so long?
Stubbornness? Pride? Clueless?
We need someone who is tactically astute and will mould a system around the player's strengths. It will take a long time for Martinez to convince me that he's capable, but I find myself willing to give him another season before any further dissent.
Brent Stephens
3 Posted 19/03/2015 at 06:20:32
"It just seems to be that there is something not quite right and I don't think it is the manager and I don't think it is the players. It might just need a spark somewhere!.

Though the spark went for far too long and I don't know why. Is this a double-edged sword? - if the problem was no more than having lost the spark and needing to regain it (as we seem to be doing), then that spark can just as easily be lost again. It's more than spark, surely.

"Naismith has been absolutely magnificent and been my player of the year so far."

Smart fella, that Southall!

Richard Lyons
4 Posted 19/03/2015 at 06:15:29
What would people think of Barcelona if they never managed to break down defences and score goals? They'd be thought of as boring: not in the defensive Moyes way, but in the unproductive Martinez way.
Graham Mockford
5 Posted 19/03/2015 at 06:09:06
Everton legend, best goalkeeper I have even seen but boy can he talk some shite.

"Naismith has been absolutely magnificent", I think someone has been to the Martinez school of player assessment.

"When we started the season, we only really had the squad we had last season. It did well last season, but it needed another couple of bodies at least." . Well that might be because the manager spent the majority of his budget on one player.

"When David Moyes first came in, it took him 11 years to build a team that he thought was okay... and he still wasn't satisfied with that team. How long as Roberto been there?" That is just factually incorrect and he qualified for the CL in his third season. Anyone betting on this for next season?

Daniel Russell
6 Posted 19/03/2015 at 06:27:14
Well said Neville; sorry to go against the grain but I am with him one hundred percent. The man must be given more time, I actually believe we might win something for the first time in a while and he is spot on about MoyesÂ’s boring football. We have the nucleus of a brilliant team, let’s get behind him and see what he brings in during the summer.
James Crolla
7 Posted 19/03/2015 at 06:44:04
Graham I doubted anyone would bet on Champions League football the year before we qualified. I would take the team now compared to the one we had then, so you never know.

Perhaps big Nev is referring to the chairman if it is not the manager or the players?

Terrible season, incredibly frustrating and at times I have found it difficult to watch. I still believe we need to judge him after next season. Bring in a couple more players and have a decent pre-season, surely we have learned the lesson of this season. I want him to succeed because I believe in what he is trying to do - play football. We can't buy the best so we need to build from grass roots up - I would rather that we are focusing on technical ability and creating the School of Science throughout our academy.

Quarter Final of the UEFA Cup is almost upon us!!

Robin Cannon
8 Posted 19/03/2015 at 06:56:45
Don't think it's that difficult a comment to understand. Nev's own playing experience is of a struggling Everton turning things around without any significant change in players or management, but with a "spark".
Tony Hill
9 Posted 19/03/2015 at 07:09:36
Well, his comments give me some pause for thought because he loves the club and has no fear at all of speaking out. He also knows more about football than me. I hope he's right.

Interesting that he talks about two "decent" goalkeepers so he clearly rates Robles (and Howard...).

Rodger Armstrong
10 Posted 19/03/2015 at 07:24:01
Others may disagree, but I think Nev makes some really good points. For me he says it how it is and is someone worth listening to; he's been there & got more than one T-shirt
Steve Cotton
11 Posted 19/03/2015 at 07:45:40
Xxxl Rodger
Tony Abrahams
12 Posted 19/03/2015 at 07:53:21
Everton's season and how people remember it, hinges on tonight. Get through, people get behind us and who knows? Get beat, crawl to 40 points, and the demand for Martinez to go would be massive.

With Wolfsburg rumoured to be willing to pay 㿍 Million for Lukaku, it wouldn't be a bad transfer pot for a new manager would it?

Adam Luszniak
13 Posted 19/03/2015 at 08:04:27
Some sense in Southall's comments. Can't believe he actually rates Howard after some of his performances this season!
Eric Myles
14 Posted 19/03/2015 at 08:02:33
"They are a moment or a player away from being a decent team"

That was what was said every season under Moyes.

Ian Jones
15 Posted 19/03/2015 at 08:00:38
The missing ingredient could be anything. The system apparently being played. Confidence. Players belief in their own ability. Possible lack of harmony amongst players. A character with balls in the dressing room to get everyone together. We may be too nice.

My memory of the 84 side that got into the League Cup final and won the FA Cup was that we had recently added Peter Reid and Andy Gray. Players who had had injuries and were wanting to show people their careers weren't over. They were ideal characters who helped bring it all together. Some also might remember that a few papers had a picture of the League Cup with red ribbons tied on it to show Liverpool as the winners before the final took place. The final was apparently going to be so one-sided. Who knows. If Andy Gray had been able to play it would have been one-sided.

As many on here have said we don't seem to have a ballsy character at the moment. Perhaps doesn't have to be the best player or the most talented/creative. Not necessarily playing. Someone with fire in the belly.

Tony Hill
16 Posted 19/03/2015 at 08:56:01
Ian, I think that has been a major part of our difficulty this season.
Jim Lloyd
17 Posted 19/03/2015 at 08:03:24
Seems to me that if Nev had been allowed to expand on his views, it might not have been so open to criticism. I think he was trying to say in a sentence just what combination of factors that have contributed to what has gone wrong with our season.

Someone has already said that he might be referring to the chairman. He might also be referring to the amount of injuries that we've had put up with in such a small squad.

First up, I believe that last season our manager gave us the best season of attacking football that I've seen for years. There were people who never wanted Martinez here in the first place and grudgingly went along with the success that we had. I think those people have used what has gone wrong this season to scream that we should never have got him, he would take us down and want him to go now.. They could be right but it isn't my view.

I think our season went wrong because a combination of the number of factors. I think one factor is that we weren't able to get more players in during the Summer. My guess is that we had no more money to buy them. Unlike Liverpool who spent about 100 million adding to there squad.

Then we have had, from the first week, a big list of long term injuries throughout the season to players who we've found it extremely difficult to replace.

There's also the fact that teams had worked out how we used the wings and stifled it, how we got the early ball up to Lukaku and stifled that route as well.

We also had a manager who wouldn't/couldn't "do a Moyes" and go out to win/draw, don't get beat style of football, when it was plain we were being stifled.

I also think those who boo have a place in what went wrong as well. Everyone who goes the match has a right to express their views, let their emotion go, as that's what watching. My view is that booing is a negative factor and influences the players into a mind set of " fuck that, I'm getting rid of the ball asap", or they can freeze, like I think Barkley did, and on who I believe it had a particularly negative effect.

So I think all these factors have played a part in our season. The turnaround, (if that is what it is; and I believe it is) started as the game against Dynamo Kiev progressed. The players were extremely tentative to begin with, error prone and almost scared to have the ball.

That night, I felt the crowd, after about 20-25 minutes just began to roar them forward and didn't stop roaring for the rest of the game. I think that had an effect on the players and it was tangible that confidence/fight began to become more and more, a part of their play.

The game on Sunday was similar only our crowd started roaring on our players earlier. In both those games, without being brilliant, could have doubled the scores and both opposition teams folded more as the games went on.

So that's a part that we can play. Whether we want to or not, is up to each supporter but I am convinced it is a major factor. I can't remember but some bunch of away supporters, sang "it's like playing in a library" so they were aware of the atmosphere and were happy enough to barrack us..

There's a whole debate about whether the players have to show something to shout about first or whether the players gain in confidence by the level of support they get. I don't know but I believe we see better performances from our players when we get behind them.

There's some miserable sod who sits behind me who takes a totally negative view and has done since before I became a season ticket holder in the seat I have now. So much so, that the woman who had a season ticket there, left because of him. He's every right I suppose, to express consistently, such a miserable view of our team (even last season) but I must admit, it's making me think off pissing off to another seat.

As for whether this manager should be sacked or not, I'm of the view that the team was excellent last season. Some beieve that was Moyes influence. I disagree with that view. I think that this season doesn't depend on how we do tonight (how we play is more important). The games during the rest of the season are all important and if we stay up (and it is an "if") then I think Roberto Martinez should be given at least another year.


Michael Penley
18 Posted 19/03/2015 at 08:49:22
I agree that it could be the best thing that ever happened to them, if the backbone of the team wasn't made up of retirees. Jags, Baines, Ossie and Howard may have learned a lesson from a terrible season. They are our leaders. How much longer will they be around? Who's going to replace them? We don't have a young team and the old guard are not going to improve much, no matter what they've learned.

If he's talking about Martinez, then yes, it could be a turning point. You often need to go through a crisis for radical change, and he looks to be a broken man, and I think wounded pride is exactly what he needs.

Phil Walling
19 Posted 19/03/2015 at 08:55:48
Looks like Bill's put Big Nev on the payroll and he's joined all the other 'Good 'ole boys' at Finch Farm.

Glad everything in the garden is lovely and that we'll have next season to look forward to as soon as we've won the Europa !

Wish I hadn't done all that worrying.

Dave Abrahams
20 Posted 19/03/2015 at 08:57:42
Neville gave this interview at Finch Farm, think he is being kind to Martinez and going easy on him and the club.
Ken Buckley
21 Posted 19/03/2015 at 09:15:56
He sounded a bit like Yosser from 'Boys from the Blackstuff'

'Gis a job'

Colin Glassar
22 Posted 19/03/2015 at 09:13:42
Jim Lloyd #17, absolutely 100% spot on. The devotees of the former regime didn't want him in the first place and, as you say, were just waiting for him to fail so they could pounce with their sanctimonious "I told you so" attitude.

As for Big Nev? Well, I suppose he will now be considered a traitor by some but for me the big man talks loads of sense. The other fella was given time why won't some of you do the same with Martinez?

Lee Mandaracas
23 Posted 19/03/2015 at 09:20:04
Trouble is Southall failed to acknowledge that three of our shining talents (he rates Lennon as such in his quotes but I'd like to give him some more time) are facing the exit door.

Big Nev lists them as positives moving forward but Lennon's is a loan deal that may or may not become permanent in the summer.

Mirallas has one year left on his contract and is clearly itching to go somewhere he believes he deserves. As great as he is I don't want any swelled heads at my club whose egos are bigger than their sizeable talent - Eto'o for example who could well have been the trigger to a lot of the malcontent that's ruined our early season we're starting so recover from (hopefully)

Finally, the one I am petrified may go when his contract expires at the end of this season is Garbutt. He has looked, for me, every inch the standard Baines is and delivers better corners at the tender age of 21! The little we've seen of him has been fantastic and I reckon his advisers will be itching to move him on. We must get him signed pronto!

Winning the Europa League could keep these players and attract more now that CL qualification is on offer for next season. The other teams that remain, though, are just as beatable by us as we are by them so a foregone conclusion it is not! We must win this tournament as there is no other possible route into Europe next season and if that happens the spectre of the Walter Smith era could start to rear it's ugly head.

David Harrison
24 Posted 19/03/2015 at 09:42:01
Tony, selling Lukaku would be a backward step in my opinion. At the tender age of 21 he is already a proven goalscorer with potential to improve still further. We can all imagine what we would do with 㿊 odd million but squandering it on 6 or 7 players who are no better than what we have will leave a huge hole up front. A like for like replacement gets us no closer to the promised land either. A manager of Everton needs to get the best out of what he has - according to many on here, the best squad for a long time - while trying to upgrade quality step by step. So far Roberto's attempts at this have largely misfired e.g Eto'o, Kone, Atsu, McGeady and probably Lennon, although he deserves a chance to prove himself
Tony Abrahams
25 Posted 19/03/2015 at 10:23:45
David, I was just playing Devils Adequate for all those people who say all Martinez's signings have been a waste of time.

Liam Reilly
26 Posted 19/03/2015 at 10:25:15
"I was doubtful when Roberto first arrived because of Wigan. But he is not Mike Walker because he knows something about football"

No love lost there; I still have nightmares about this guy.

"They have had a good season under Roberto and now a shit season, so let's see the real Everton."

Couldn't agree more. RM should get a pre-season and summer transfer market and at least a crack at the first 10 games of the new season. I have faith.

Chris Gould
27 Posted 19/03/2015 at 10:24:12
Jim Lloyd 17, you've just made a whole lot of excuses for a poor season and not blamed Martinez for any of it. Even his most ardent supporters must surely see that he's made mistakes.
You say other teams have stifled the wing play or the quick ball to Lukaku?
Right, so who's job is it to change the tactics to counteract that. If something isn't working game after game after game....change it.
You say we've had injuries....so have all teams.
I agree that we needed more players, but who are these players who would have fit into his system? The players he bought couldn't fit into it.
You say the crowd roared them on after 25 mins in the Kiev game.
That was after they made it quite clear they weren't going to tolerate the pedestrian back/sideways passing - and the players adapted.
Changes have been forced and it's taken so long for Martinez to take the hint. The poor season is nobody's fault but his.
Having said that, I for one no longer wish him to be axed forthwith. I'll reserve judgement until the end of season.
Harold Matthews
28 Posted 19/03/2015 at 08:27:51
Form doesn't come into it with Martinez. The ones with the most Premier League experience always play and are rarely subbed. The exception being Mirallis who tends to down tools after 70 minutes.

This leads to Howard walking straight back into the team, Atsu hardly getting a look in, Browning never getting a look in, and Besic being pulled off even though he might be playing better than Barry and McCarthy.

This is not my opinion. Martinez has stated that this is the way he works.

Of course, this kills off all hope of youngsters making an early breakthrough and players from foreign leagues being given permanent contracts. Strangers are strictly loan material. Besic got his chance because Martinez was able to meet and have one-to-one discussions with the lad in Brazil.

Maybe one day he will have 13 or 14 talented players with no opinions of their own who wil carry out his instructions to the letter. This is probably his dream and I wouldn't knock it. Klopp and Simeone worked wonders along similar lines but they did not have to operate in the frenetic jungle of the Premier League. Martinez is not my favourite person right now but if he stays I will wish him well. It won't be easy.

Jim Lloyd
29 Posted 19/03/2015 at 10:51:31
I;m not making excuses at all.. Of course he's made mistakes. Who doesn't. You can change tactics and I think most people agree that he ought to have done. I don't believe that this season has all been due to Martinez. I believe it has been due to a number of factors. Yes You're right to a degree about the crowd against Dynamo buty it's no use booing was the point I raised. Letting the team know to get forward faster was closely followed by a "come on lads, get stuck into them, you can do it" style of shouting. Not the kind the miserable bugger has behind me.
If Martinez had been able to pick from a fully fit squad over the majority of this season, I don't think we would be where we are now.
I agree about reserving judgement but I do think that some made their judgement last season.l
I don't believe that this game tonight is the make or break. I will be more concerned to see how they play and how they fight.
Your other points are your point of view, not facts. I'd love to stay on but I'm away out till this afternoon. One thing is certain, if we roar themn on at home, we will see a more confident display.
Chris Gould
30 Posted 19/03/2015 at 11:02:37
Jim, I agree with your last point entirely. But the players will only hear roaring if the fans don't see negative, pedestrian rubbish.
Anyway, hopefully lessons have been learned and we can all roar together!!
Terence Leong
31 Posted 19/03/2015 at 12:19:02
I believe Martinez has earned himself some more time, both based on the style of football (that is ultimately more progressive) and the results last year.

Southall has never been one to mince his words; if you've read his various interviews and his book, you realise that he's a very analytical and intelligent man, with the right ethos about playing the game.

Of course, anyone can be wrong, anyone can have an opinion, but I'd sit up and pay attention whenever this guy talks football.

Gavin Johnson
32 Posted 19/03/2015 at 11:57:49
Graham, you're pulling big Nev up for getting his "facts" incorrect. Well, I just read it as an Everton legend giving his opinion. There's no need to shoot an Everton legend down, by saying he's talking shite just because his opinion differs from your own on 11 seasons with rose tinted spectacles under our OFM.

Graham Mockford
33 Posted 19/03/2015 at 12:55:46
Gavin,

I haven't any rose tinted spectacles, I was ready for Moyes to go as it was apparent he had reached his limit, however there is a lot of revisionism about his tenure.

Firstly it's not that his opinion differs from mine or the fact he is a former legend, it's just he spouting a load of shite.

Do you agree Naismith has been 'absolutely magnificent' ?

Neil Pickering
34 Posted 19/03/2015 at 13:18:06
As we stand right now I want Martinez gone. But you know what If at the end of season he came out and said it had been a learning curve, and that he may have got things wrong at times but he now feels he needs to be more flexible in his approach then I would get right behind him and give him another season. But if he is as stubborn as he appears then he will not move us on as a club and needs to go now.
Tony J Williams
35 Posted 19/03/2015 at 13:25:43
Harold, can I have my mind back now?

Just because Big Nev is a legend, doesn't mean he is always tight. Just a thought!

Richard Reeves
36 Posted 19/03/2015 at 13:07:20
Big Nev has always made more sense to me than most ex-players or pundits and again, mirrors many of my own thoughts.

As for being on the books, I donÂ’t think he could toe the party line even if he was being paid by the club; his comments seem to be very much his own and he couldnÂ’t give a flying fuck if people agree or not.

Gavin Johnson
37 Posted 19/03/2015 at 13:31:15
Graham,

If someone's a legend. They're a legend, it's as simple as that. If anything the passing of time makes them even more legendary - We're not talking about the legend formerly known as Nev. We're talking about the best GK keeper in Everton's history, there's no 'former' legend about it.

That's his choice of adjectives is entirely up to him. To say that Naismith 'as been absolutely magnificent' sounds OTT. But in the scheme of things who's to argue that Naismith hasn't been magnificent when you compare him to some of our other players this season who have been shite all season.

Liam Reilly
38 Posted 19/03/2015 at 13:47:54
Tony
"Just because Big Nev is a legend, doesn't mean he is always tight"

Bit harsh; Big Nev has been known to buy a round or two.

Lewis Barclay
39 Posted 19/03/2015 at 13:42:38
I wouldn't normally dare question Big Nev as he speaks a lot of sense but this feels a little like: a request from the board to roll out an Everton legend to talk about next year. Maybe to subtly start some momentum around fans buying season tickets for next year. Maybe that's overly conspiratorial.
His statement about "two of the best fullbacks in Europe", doesn't feel as convincing this season as it would reading it last season. Personally, I think Baines has struggled to reach his previous high standards this season and Coleman has had quiet season, on the whole.
At least Nev is consistent and says it like it is:
"They have had a good season under Roberto and now a shit season, so let's see the real Everton."

"Let's see the real Everton" indeed. Starting tonight.

COYB

Lewis Barclay
40 Posted 19/03/2015 at 13:57:29
...Oh and one more thing. Am I the only one who appreciates Mirallas's skill but really wouldn't mind seeing him gone for upwards of 㾶million.
It feels like every season for the last three years he's been saying he wants to play in the Champion's League (if reports are to be believed). He regularly gets injured and is only a 60 minute player when he's fit and goes to ground too easily. This is all balances out by moments of brilliance, I admit but I think we could find someone more fitting to our club.
Steve Ferns
41 Posted 19/03/2015 at 13:52:04
Spot on Big Nev.

Martinez gives us our best season since '88 and half of you want to sack him at Christmas! I still can't get over some of the views spouted on here. In a parallel universe, we'd have got the run of the green in those early games and not surrendered the leads we did, and made the comebacks we should have or not given away some of the farcical goals we did, and by some slight margins we'd be in the running for top 8 at least.

Give the guy some time, hopefully we win tonight and were then only a few games from making the Champions League.

Let's not forget that Moyes bailed leaving an old side. Yes there were young players there, but he never played them. It takes more than a few weeks to rebuild a side and especially if you're going from one extreme (hoofball) to the other.

Martinez earned the right to have a shit season, last season, and as long as we win the Europa League, it'd actually be the best season we've had since '87!

Brin Williams
42 Posted 19/03/2015 at 14:12:28
"They are a moment or a player away from being a decent team.''

That is the give away for me – that he has been 'recruited' for that blurb.

I have the utmost respect for big Nev, had photos taken with him and have a deep suspicion that he has been scripted; after all they don't talk like that in Llandudno!

They are not a 'moment' from anything on the Costa Llandudno!

'A moment?' Now where have I heard that word used??

Andrew Ellams
43 Posted 19/03/2015 at 14:12:54
I get the feeling Nev does love the sound of his own voice sometimes.
Tony J Williams
44 Posted 19/03/2015 at 14:19:00
To be fair Steve, we have just been through one of the shitest periods for quite some time now.

Of course some posters would want to see the back of him.

Some were talking about relegation and to be honest, the spectre hasn't been vanquished yet.

Wouldn't really state he was left an old side Steve, especially as he upped the average age with Barry, Kone & Eto'o.

Graham Mockford
46 Posted 19/03/2015 at 14:22:23
Gavin,

You seem to be joining him in spouting the proverbial. The adjective 'former' does not indicate he is no longer a legend but that he once was a player.

But just because he was the greatest goalkeeper I have ever seen and one of the greatest Everton players ever doesn't prevent him talking rubbish.

Of course his choice of words are his but of course your argument does not take into account his actual words. He describes him as 'absolutely magnificent' ie with no qualification, no comparisons. Totally, unreservedly magnificent.

If you cannot see the ridiculousness of this statement you truly are deluded.

By the way I quite like Naismith. Tries his nuts off, chips in with odd goal, gets in opponents faces but ultimately a limited player who makes the most of himself. Absolutely magnificent..... dream on.

Denis Richardson
47 Posted 19/03/2015 at 14:07:21
They have two decent goalkeepers, two of the best full-backs in Europe, two decent centre-halves, a young one who is going to be top, top class.

But we still have one of the worst defences in the league...

Phil Walling
48 Posted 19/03/2015 at 15:07:29
Just as predicted, Everton win two matches and Roberto's star is in the ascendancy. All previous comment no longer relevant. Of course, if we lose to the RS – which we won't, I hope – he'll go back into the dog kennel.

Blues supporters fickle? Not us, surely.

Gavin Johnson
49 Posted 19/03/2015 at 15:13:06
Graham

it's your confusion of mixing up 'facts' with your opinion. You may not agree with what he says but he's not factually incorrect which you stated in your first post. That was your own opinion.

Graham Mockford
50 Posted 19/03/2015 at 15:34:48
Gavin

He said "When David Moyes first came in, it took him 11 years to build a team that he thought was okay... and he still wasn't satisfied with that team. How long as Roberto been there?

I would say that was factually incorrect. If we accept that by ok he means of 'an acceptable standard', would it really have been 11 years before he thought this? He wouldn't have thought that about the team that qualified for the CL, or the team that qualified for Europe on another two occasions or the side that reached the FA Cup Final.

In fact I would say Moyes had achieved everything he was going to by 2009, that was the problem, he was satisfied with that. He improved the team significantly and then plateaued over the remaining years. Mind you that plateau is looking not too bad a place this season.

James Flynn
51 Posted 19/03/2015 at 15:41:44
Steve (41) - "Martinez earned the right to have a shit season."
Perhaps in your parallel universe.

First I've heard that applied to a manager, managing a first-rate Side down towards the bottom of the table.

That Moyes bailed? Fair enough. How, exactly though, was the Side he left "old?"

Steve Ferns
52 Posted 19/03/2015 at 16:07:58
Moyes's preferred first XI was:

Howard, Coleman, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Osman, Pienaar, Fellaini, Neville, Mirallas, Jelavic

Only the following were under 30: Coleman, Baines (28) and Jelavic (27). It was an old side.

Victor Jones
53 Posted 19/03/2015 at 15:37:46
Just a comment on this nonsense , that if you did not want Martinez at Everton, that you are some how using this season to "rub it in". And ignoring his relatively good first season. Utter nonsense. I didn't rate him last season. He messed up by not taking full advantage of a few top teams not having a good season. We could have won something last season. But Martinez got caught up in his own philosophy and publicly. He took his eye of the ball. He fell short. I don't judge success for Everton on finishing 5th. I don't want to see Everton go out of the domestic cups with a whimper. And two wins in the last week have not changed my mind much about Senor Martinez.

And for the record I was also happy to see the back of David Moyes. Will Kenwright ever take on a manager that can bring back the glory days? A manager who can strike a balance between defending and attacking? A manager who knows tactics. A manager who studies the opposition , and sets up accordingly A manager who can win Everton a trophy.

Just a little question to all those who like and trust Martinez. Should BK sell up, and Everton are taken over by a Billionaire owner, who is willing to spend on players. (unlikely I know). But would you trust Martinez at the helm? Would you trust his first season?. Or this rubbish that has been ditched up this season? I know my answer.

Last comment. I saw Big Nev play numerous times. He is a real club legend. And a world class goalkeeper. I'm not going to select my favourite. But I also saw G.West play. He was also IMO right up there with the best. We have been blessed with some great keepers over the years. But unfortunately DM neglected that position(apart from N.Martyn). Heres hoping that Robles can step up. FOREVER EVERTON.

Tony Hill
54 Posted 19/03/2015 at 16:14:36
I think it's only reasonable to pay attention when someone like Southall offers comment. I wouldn't want to be the one suggesting to him that he's been bought.

As for fickleness, I don't see any such thing. Most people still think RM is very much on the back foot after the season so far but there has been modest recent improvement and there is little immediate purpose in continuing to demand his head, as though it were a matter of principle.

Of course, if we lose tonight and against QPR then he will be under fire again and rightly so.

Graham Mockford
55 Posted 19/03/2015 at 16:53:02
Steve,

Fellaini and Mirallas were both under 30. In fact of the XI you name eight of them are still at the club, most of the first choice two years later.

Jim Lloyd
56 Posted 19/03/2015 at 16:49:49
Well, no one is going to please all the fans, that's for sure. A previous post has mentioned that Martinez fell short of success last season whereas others believe it was a successful season. I belong to the camp who believe it was a successful season. I enjoyed more games last season whereas in the last few seasons with Moyes. I ended up giving my season ticket up, as did my mate and his son.

Moyes left and I decided to get a season ticket again and I'm glad I did. This season has been dire at times but no worse than some of Moyes years. I don't forget that Moyes left us. How he left is not really the point...he left and I'm glad.

To those who ask the question that BK left and a multi Billionaire moved in that's a dream I've long held. Can't stand the geezer. However, should the impossible happen, I would be glad to see Roberto Martinez be given sums equal to, or more, than the feller over the Park and I'd trust him to chose exciting top class footballers. I certainly don't think it is nonsense that there are fans who never wanted him and couldn't wait to attack him.

Finally, I cannot ever see Neville Southall alter his opinions for anyone and to say he did it for money I think is an insult to the man. I don't think he would, or could, be a yes man. I just wish he was about 30 years younger.

Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 19/03/2015 at 17:09:58
Harold, people praise your wisdom, and you most certainly have a way with words. Your last two sentences on post 28, must speak for a lot of Evertonians right now and I just hope we can get through tonight.
Peter McHugh
58 Posted 19/03/2015 at 18:13:25
Phil Walling (#17), I hope your comments were said with tongue firmly in cheek. If not, that is hugely disrespectful for one of our true legends and clearly inaccurate.

As for Southall's comments, I agree that Moyes was boring and I had enough of us defending and nicking one against big boys. Martinez was a breathe of fresh air. Thereafter I suspect opinion more split and jury out but I certainly don't think we'll go down and again agree with Big Nev that Martinez deserves more time.

Graham Mockford
59 Posted 19/03/2015 at 19:40:37
What spark do we need now?

Sack this fucking fraud is my vote.

Glen Garrett
60 Posted 19/03/2015 at 20:03:48
We’re in need of a new manager and a new defence and that’s final.

Nev, please you were the best goalkeeper Everton ever had Howard would need another pair of hands to be as good as you were, get your head out their arses.

Shocking defending all season

Ant Dwyer
61 Posted 19/03/2015 at 23:01:12
I've always loved Big Nev but, fuck me, he's clueless when it comes to all this!! How can't he see that our club is clueless, shapeless and our manager is a fraud?

We have God only knows how many players who are over the hill that Martinez hasn't had the brains to move on (Distin, Hibbert, Howard, Pienaar, Barry, Kone, Alcaraz) the last three who should never have been bought.

His signings haven't been good enough to strengthen the team other than two who he's paid huge sums of money for (Lukaku and McCarthy). Again, Kone, Barry, Alcaraz, and Robles, haven't been anything like a success were as his only little diamond he's found (Besic), he refuses to play. The man is a clueless fraud who has to go, clearly.

ps: I'm a season ticket holder along with my two sons and my dad and I've never seen any David Moyes team play this poorly apart from the shite he inherited or had to get for free, also Moyes had partnerships all over the pitch that Martinez has destroyed (Baines - Pienaar, Distin - Jagiela - Howard, Mirallas - Coleman). Clueless clown.

Peter Knight
62 Posted 20/03/2015 at 19:28:14
Zenit, Brugge, Dinapro, Napoli, all managed to defend and close out the game.

The team I would have started would have been:

Robles
Browning, Stones, Jagielka, Garbutt,
Coleman, McCarthy, Gibson, Besic, Baines
Lukaku

depending how the game went, we would choose from Barkley, Atsu, Osman, Barry, and Kone as subs.

We needed a 0-0 draw and made no effort to close the other team down and stop them playing. This was our chance to save our season it reminded me of the 6-3 loss to Chelsea. Roberto must go if we want to stay in the Premier League.

Ant Dwyer
63 Posted 20/03/2015 at 22:28:53
Wow, not sure I agree with that side, Peter!!
Helen Mallon
64 Posted 21/03/2015 at 12:56:13
Hang on Ant Dwyer, Moyes teams not playing this bad, have you no memory. West ham away no forwards on playing shite, Liverpool cup game shite, Wigan semi shite I could go on, to many games that have been or were worse than what I have watched this season
Helen Mallon
65 Posted 21/03/2015 at 13:16:59
and we would have won the euro game if he had not changed a winning team that beat Newcastle
Ian McDowell
66 Posted 21/03/2015 at 13:18:54
I can't understand how Distin, who has been a good player for Everton over a number of seasons, couldn't get a game ahead of Alcaraz for such an important game. Unfortunately the signings made over the last 18 months haven't been good enough. Big clear out needed in the summer.

Ant Dwyer
67 Posted 23/03/2015 at 00:22:32
Helen I feel it may be you who has the short memory, you are entitled to your opinion so please don't take this as disrespectful but you pointed to a hand full of games over a 10 year period and also the fact we struggled to top sides. This aside we had awful forwards who were mostly bought for little to no money and still managed to gain enough points to be top 6.

I'm not saying that's good enough but if your given a budget of 㾶m to last ya 5 years ya can't ask for too much. Moyes had Anichebe, Vaughan, Stracqualursi, Bent, Beattie and Johnson and he was holding his own in a league with many many top strikers. Martinez on the other hand has had Lukaku, Eto'o and Kone this season to choose from, for me this is a huge difference.

Moyes couldn't attack in the same way as he had forwards who averaged a goal every 5 games (at best) were as Martinez has proven goal scorers. Had Moyes been given 㿈m to buy a forward I'm sure he would have taken the shackles off and attacked v big teams a little more often.

gain each to your own but for me winning 7 games from 30 with the best squad we've had in years is simply unacceptable. I think you could give most managers a base of Coleman, Jags, Stones, Bainesy, with a midfield of McCarthy, Besic, Barkley, Mirallas and Lukaku upfront I can't help but feel we would be at least 8 places and 20 points better off. Martinez must go.


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