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Martinez expresses immense satisfaction at Loftus Road win

by | 22/03/2015  Comments (101)  jump

Roberto Martinez has described the 2-1 win at Queens Park Rangers as perhaps the most satisfying" in his time with Everton as Aaron Lennon's 77th-minute winner handed the Blues three vital points.

The manager said he was impressed with how his players responded not only to the offensive threat posed by Ranger's twin strike-force but also to the disappointing manner of their Europa League exit at the hands of Dynamo Kyiv three days ago.

"It's probably the most satisfying win I've had since I arrived at Everton," Martinez told reporters after the match. "The amount of emotion we shared on Thursday and we got back very late — we've found it very difficult this season after Europe.

"We are adapting towards being a team that can cope with being in Europe.

"Coping with the goal threat that QPR are going to throw at you takes a lot of character and guts. It wasn't a day for a technical performance on the ball, it was about being a strong group and showing we have a strong will.

"It was a very important three points today so the satisfaction was immense."

Lennon's goal was his first in an Everton jersey and came on the heels of what was his best performance yet against Newcastle United a week ago.

The diminutive winger put in another hard-working performance as the Blues battled to hold on to the first-half lead earned by Seamus Coleman's beautiful side-foot finish and got his reward with the winner.

Martinez deflected the issue of whether is a potential permanent acquisition in the summer, preferring instead to focus on his role in a victory that moved Everton nine points clear of the bottom three.

"It's too early to say at the moment [whether we will sign him permanently]," Martinez continued. "Since he's arrived he's wanted to contribute and be a big part of the team.

"He had a real will [today]. He wanted to show he had fresh legs and I thought that was his best performance by far for Everton, not just in scoring the goal but in the manner he worked for the team.

"He looks like someone who has been with the group for a long, long time."

Meanwhile, Martinez said that the club's medical staff will know more about the extent of the injuries to Arouna Kone and Romelu Lukaku in the next 48 hours.

Both of Everton's strikers had to come off in the second half, the Belgian clutching his right hamstring and the Ivorian with a knee problem.

The manager explained that Kone will undergo a scan back at Finch Farm but he is hopeful that Lukaku was just feeling the effects of fatigue and cramp after a busy domestic and European schedule.

Watch: Martinez's reaction to the win


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Patrick Murphy
1 Posted 22/03/2015 at 22:28:11
It was a very important three points but unfortunately most of those players who are learning how to cope with Europe and domestic schedules will in all probability be plying their trade elsewhere or will have retired by the time Everton play in Europe again.
Ross Edwards
2 Posted 22/03/2015 at 22:39:56
That's his most satisfying win? Jesus. Scraping a 2-1 win against by far the worst team in the league after an absolutely pitiful performance where we were totally outplayed for most of it is his most satisfying game since taking over?

Give me strength. I know it was a good result but the performance was disgraceful.

Ian Brandes
3 Posted 22/03/2015 at 22:41:07
We haven't enjoyed many wins so I am reluctant to dismiss his "most satisfying " comments as claptrap.

They're just another example of the Bobby bullshit we have come to know and love.

As for more forays into Europe, surely not if he is at the helm!

Can he please be banned from post-match press conferences? Just so cringe-making.

Patrick Murphy
4 Posted 22/03/2015 at 22:45:09
Now Now Ross he didn't say it was our best performance he said it was the most satisfying victory and he does have a point on this occasion.
Ross Edwards
5 Posted 22/03/2015 at 22:47:06
It was a good result but it's hardly satisfying. Another team like Southampton would have put 4 or 5 past us today. A poor side like QPR were unable to take such chances.
Dave Lynch
6 Posted 22/03/2015 at 22:51:54
This may sound contradictory but I can't be arsed commenting on or watching anymore.

This man has sucked all the passion and enjoyment out of the game for me...

Paul Dark
7 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:06:22
Poor Roberto: he does keep putting his foot in his mouth.

He's fast becoming one of the most depressing managers we've had. False cheerfulness and its attendant optimism can be really quite depressing.

Charles Brewer
8 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:29:18
Ross, spot on. They hit the woodwork twice, and there were two more shots which Howard was miles away from. Fortunately, the shots were off target.

It was a lucky, and probably undeserved win. But we've had enough of the other sort that it's fair that we were in the fortunate column today. However, this is not a satisfactory situation.

Andy Williams
9 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:27:17
Christ on a bike.' We are adapting towards being a team that can cope with being in Europe'. The sheer ridiculousness of that comment beggars belief. Even the ubiquitous 'phenomenals' pale into comparison.
Tony Byrne
10 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:35:44
Paul@7 - RM does spout utter nonsense, once we get shut of him (asap I hope) don't be at all surprised if he turns up in the corridors of Westminster. Tory MP in the making me thinks,like hand in glove.
Chris Feeley
11 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:40:57
"We are adapting towards being a team that can cope with being in Europe."

About 6 months too late. A redundant comment from a man who will hopefully be made as equally redundant before the start of next season.

Colin Glassar
12 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:44:14
But did he use the P word?
Dave Lynch
13 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:45:44
Somebody better remind the deluded clown that you have to qualify for Europe in order to play in Europe.

I'd sack the fucker for that comment alone...

Ross Edwards
14 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:44:49
I notice that the longer we've been struggling the lower his expectations have fallen. No manager would say that a lucky win over the worst club in the league was his most satisfying since taking charge.

That's something you'd get away with at Wigan, not at Everton.

Patrick Murphy
15 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:57:32
Ross - Of course it was satisfying from his perspective because it takes the pressure right off him and allows him at the very least to see the season out and in all probability it buys him more time at Goodison. I'm not sure if QPR had have won today whether or not BK and probably more importantly the financial people would have kept their powder dry. We'll never know for sure but I would still be looking for his replacement regardless of how we finish the season.
Nick Armitage
16 Posted 23/03/2015 at 00:04:33
We're simply shite. Martinez has taken the team from last season and turned it into one that can't defend or attack. We are Wigan.

I didn't want him here to start with. If we are in the top 20 richest clubs in the world then we should be able to attract one of top 20 managers. If Kenwright had an ounce of knowledge or ambition he would run that charlatan out the club today, but we have had ample evidence over the past 15 years of Kenwright lacking both knowledge and ambition.

#Martinezout and I hope our phoney chairman goes too.

Harold Matthews
17 Posted 23/03/2015 at 00:11:47
Maybe he meant "Nerve-racking."
Chris Jones [Burton]
18 Posted 22/03/2015 at 23:59:02
Well three points is three points, ans we scored twice, away from home.

Yes they spurned some good chances and hit the post twice - but then so did we on Thursday night. Had all those four shots gone in we'd still be in the Europa League, but nearer the relegation dogfight. I'm just about satisfied with the outcome as it is, What goes around comes around.

I was still a little unhappy with our defending but we coped so much better than we did on Thursday, Stones playing well, and Jags seemingly so much happier (he had a good game too).

We can sleep easier now. Perhaps with the pressure off the team can play more tho their true ability and build a platform for next season. It would be phenomenal if we could do that...

I'll get me coat.

Anthony Lamb
19 Posted 23/03/2015 at 00:01:03
I only caught the "highlights" on MOTD tonight and again it appears to have been a pretty woeful performance overall. I have to say, I do agree with so many of the above comments regarding Mr Martinez's inane sounding utterances such as those by Paul and Andy above. Surely the so called Press Officer/ Communications Officer (does this increasingly incompetent organisation have such?) should be aware by now that the man needs a very serious reality check in his public utterances and some very drastic remedial in-service regarding speaking realistically to people in his public utterances.

As for the team performances for which he is ultimately responsible they remain utterly woeful. The incompetences of management, support staff and many of the players continues to leave one almost speechless and able to fully identify with Dave Lynch's predicament. We can only be grateful that it seems that only the presence of three or four other inadequate teams may save Everton from relegation because in the court of common justice Everton's collective efforts this season deserve nothing less that relegation from the top flight. Where we go from here I do not know. But I do feel that, although Mr Martinez presents as a considerate, thoughtful man, his increasingly nonsensical, vacuous utterances are alienating people to such an extent that I simply do not see how he can regain the confidence, trust, and respect of the support base.

If this was also the case with his playing staff then it would appear that he would seem to be incapable of the drastic action needed to purge the current squad of the deadwood or attract and nurture young talents to the club or already here,never mind be trusted with what appear to be very limited funding for bringing in players who would be willing to work under such a seemingly fragile figure. It is a great, great shame because even at 70 years of age I was initially impressed by his lack of belligerence, pomposity or egotism and wished him well. I still do, but feel that it may well have to be somewhere else.

Patrick Murphy
20 Posted 23/03/2015 at 00:22:23
Chris #18 Of course their performances will improve in the last eight games because there is little or no pressure on them. The fact they went nearly three months or some would say the whole season without producing good performances and good results is the real cause for concern.

Playing good football from this point on is not the issue, it's the fact that our season has probably been the most disappointing of any of the 20 clubs in the Premier League.

Roberto failed to arrest the slide until the fans and local media started to make noises, if I owned Everton I would help the little man to find another club and look to replace him asap - he's not a bad bloke he's just not a manager for a club the size of Everton.

He may learn and improve in time and a few clubs down the line may see him develop as a decent manager but I don't think he'll ever be a success at Goodison, besides which can BK and the board really gamble on him, he won 72 points last season and with 8 games to go we still haven't reached half of that total - that is an incredible fall from grace for any Premier League team in any year.

Andy Crooks
21 Posted 23/03/2015 at 00:32:24
Ross, the worst team in the Premier league were playing the second worst and , thank God, the worst team snuck a win.
Ant Dwyer
22 Posted 23/03/2015 at 00:45:05
Andy 21, your summary seems about right. We have been absolutely awful most of the game and only really come away with the win because QPR are pretty crap. We have no confidence, and look like we have no idea, but what we do have is some decent quality and against these today and Newcastle the other day, thatÂ’s all that we needed.

We have started to use two forwards as I think the penny has finally dropped with soft arse that we wonÂ’t keep a clean sheet. Give him another few games and he might even click onto why we canÂ’t keep a clean sheet.

Now we have pulled away from the dogfight a little more, IÂ’d seriously consider replacing him asap so as a new manager can work out who he wants to bring into the club and just as importantly work out who he wants out of it too.

Paul Kelly
23 Posted 23/03/2015 at 02:58:16
"Coping with the goal threat that QPR are going to throw at you takes a lot of character and guts.

Would that be the QPR who are sixth lowest scorers in the league Bob?

Stop with the BS. We've had enough, leave. Never come back.

Matt Traynor
24 Posted 23/03/2015 at 03:28:10
Ross #14 "I notice that the longer we've been struggling the lower his expectations have fallen."

His predecessor was a master at lowering expectations, and that's why the love in with BK went on until Man U came calling.

I think RM's on borrowed time, passed the point of no return. But in reality we will have a limited (compared to everyone else) budget for whoever comes in, and that in turn limits who will be attracted by the job of a once-big club.

RM is a symptom, but not the real problem which has infested us for nearly 2 decades.

David Barks
25 Posted 23/03/2015 at 03:44:14
Sorry but Martinez is very much the problem, not a symptom. Moyes at least would come out and say when a performance wasn't good enough. This clown tries to say every performance was either unlucky or "fine margins".

So pathetic to say a win against the worst side in the league, losers of 9 of the last 10, was the most satisfying win. And it was a lucky win at that, being pegged back much of the match. I just don't know what to say anymore. But sadly it seems many of our supporters are happy with this level of just surviving.

So then again, maybe Martinez is just a symptom, a symptom of our apathetic fan base. Everton should be one of the giants. That doesn't mean they should be winning the league every season. But it does mean that actually having to talk about getting safe from relegation in the month of March should be automatic criteria to be sacked. Again, please name me one other Big club that would brand this as acceptable and let this manager continue into next season?

Steven Telford
26 Posted 23/03/2015 at 03:56:26
The "most satisfying" in his time with Everton
Yes, really trumps that Oviedo goal against United at Old Trafford, or Jags' lightening last minute equalizer in front of the cop.

Fair enough to want to sound upbeat, but the guy has zero sense of relativity. Fact of the matter is, it was actually quite a sloppy performance against a very weak team, and even we had to ride lady luck at bit in the end.

All the cleaners who work at Goodson are going to have their titles upgraded to hygiene technicians in honor of the pronominal job they are doing.

Peter Barry
27 Posted 23/03/2015 at 04:39:24
Says it all really about Roberto's attitude that he would classify as his 'Most Satisfying' win as Everton Manager against a team that has just lost ten on the bounce as is destined for the Championship.
John Atkins
30 Posted 23/03/2015 at 05:44:06
Spot on David Barks

My sentiments exactly

Brian Porter
31 Posted 23/03/2015 at 05:48:40
When will this idiot learn to put his brain in gear before opening his big mouth? Most satisfying win? Maybe it was from his point of view, because just maybe he was expecting the big bullet if we'd lost yesterday? If so, while I'm delighted we managed a scrappy win in the end, it would be a shame if BK uses yesterday's result as the excuse to keep Martinez in the job.

The one thing I really think is missing from his locker is the art of motivation. The players just never seem to be 'up for it' and ready to fight for every ball and to move fast to cut off opposing attacks. As others have said, this was not Chelsea or Man City we were playing, but possibly the worst team in the league at present.

He won't talk about keeping Lennon? Why not? He's the only bright spark in the pack at present and Martinez should be telling us that, and that he's going w all he can to make the move a permanent one. I for one think he has a lot to offer us. Kone still fails to impress me. He looks a bit like a headless chicken with the ball, not really aware of what's going on around him.

Thank God Leon Osman is back. To all who consistently deride him, it's plain to see what an influence his football brain has on the team. I dread to think what would have happened without him there today. I won't rest until we're mathematically safe, as three bad results for us, and good ones for those below us would drag us right into the mire.

Martinez has to go, as I don't think the fans will put up with similar performances for another season. It's time for home truths, not platitudes, Roberto, starting with your own position.

Phil Sammon
32 Posted 23/03/2015 at 06:52:50
The guy can't open his mouth without a giant turd falling out of it. The utter contempt and disrespect he shows the fans is a sackable offence alone. Add to that months upon months of rigid, stubborn shite on the pitch and I don't know how he still has a job.

David Hallwood
35 Posted 23/03/2015 at 09:34:43
Perhaps he's fallen in love with British irony, or Jeremy Clarksonesque politically incorrect wind up humour. Either way, to quote John McEnrow "you CANNOT be serious man"
Callum McNab
36 Posted 23/03/2015 at 09:55:55
Just listened to the clown on TalkSport. Alan Brazil asked him why a team that for years has been very tight in defence has a terrible goals against this season. Then Martinez replies the Kiev game was a one-off. Goals like that will never happen again and the team is now stronger mentally and physically for playing in Europe.

As someone has stated before, Martinez would make a great politician. Pity we can't vote the idiot out.

Ray Roche
37 Posted 23/03/2015 at 09:55:32
Brian (#31),

Good post, Brian. I think Lennon would be a good acquisition and what this squad needs is a 25-year-old Leon Osman. The way the game is now, players with a brain are protected more and more and we'd probably see the best of him.

OK, he's not as strong as the likes of Fellaini but his mind is a couple of yards ahead of many players, the simple lay off for the first goal was excellent. I also like the fact that he doesn't mind getting in the referees face and wagging a finger at him in protest. Jags could take note.

Steve Harris
38 Posted 23/03/2015 at 09:57:52
Still can't believe that we haven't been bombarded by the 'Martinez Disciples' regaling how they all told us that Bobby would turn it around and how everything would be rosy in the garden. Or could it be that at last they realise what a clueless, disillusional, fraudulent twat he really is? Surely not!
Ross Edwards
39 Posted 23/03/2015 at 10:18:41
I think Steve you'll see that next season if we're any good. I think we'll be in for more of the same unless RM changes approach, gets rid of the deadwood and moves away from his beloved Barry and Howard.
Brin Williams
40 Posted 23/03/2015 at 10:25:58
A win over Southampton may change opinions??
Andrew Clare
41 Posted 23/03/2015 at 10:19:07
He must go. Yesterday's performance was appalling, we were lucky to get away with a win. The team looks like a completely disorganised shambles with no structure or purpose to the play.

Looking at the fixtures coming up, I think that we will lose the next two, Southampton at home and Swansea away, and probably just about win against Burnley. What a rubbish scenario.

As mentioned above, all because Everton are such a badly run club with totally the wrong people running it.

Ross Edwards
42 Posted 23/03/2015 at 10:40:11
If we play like we did yesterday v Southampton, we could get absolutely hammered. And then Swansea. Who I've said before play like we aspire to. Direct, pace, skick, fluid passing. Might not be enjoyable at the Liberty either.

Hope I'm wrong but we were just very fortunate that QPR are woeful because a much better team would have absolutely battered us yesterday.

Steve Harris
43 Posted 23/03/2015 at 10:40:47
I honestly hope he proves me wrong, Ross, and next season we're up there challenging playing exciting, high tempo football but I'm not holding my breath!

I'm also still waiting for Boys Pen Bill to break his 4-month total silence and come out and say that not for one moment did he think about sacking him because he always knew that he'd turn it around because he's promised us Champions League football!

Brin, I'm not sure why a win over Southampton would change opinions; I'm still waking up in a cold sweat and having nightmares after attending the debacle at St Marys when he should've been sacked on the spot for one of the most shambolic displays I've ever witnessed – and don't even start me off about the no substitutions farce!

Jim Bennings
44 Posted 23/03/2015 at 10:49:45
A good win but we are still shite and defensively we look as bad as ever no matter whoever plays there.

We gave them too many chances and better sides will make you suffer like we have already seen.

Lennon has been one if the few bright spots in recent weeks, clearly a good player and you can see why he once earned so many rave reviews.

Andrew Ellams
45 Posted 23/03/2015 at 10:53:34
A win over Southampton won't change opinions, but it will mean three on the bounce in the league and the I told you sos will have some ammunition to come and tell us all how they knew Roberto would turn it around.
Ross Edwards
46 Posted 23/03/2015 at 11:11:22
I think it would bring more doubters than told you sos. The fact that it's taken nearly 6 months and fan pressure for him to change tactics.

The criticism has given him a kick up the arse. He didn't change voluntarily. The doubts placed on him by the media about his tactical awareness forced him to change.

If the fans and media weren't so vocal in questioning him, I reckon he would still be as stubborn as ever.

I think next season he'll just revert back to type probably thinking that this season was just some kind of blip and that everything is fine.

Andrew Ellams
47 Posted 23/03/2015 at 11:30:54
Ross, if Kone is going to be out for a while then we will be back to Naismith, Barkley and sideways passing next time out.
Ross Edwards
48 Posted 23/03/2015 at 11:40:59
I think you're right there, Andrew. He'll just revert to type now it's quietened down a bit.
Jim Knightley
49 Posted 23/03/2015 at 11:40:33
Unless a win over Southampton can bring on year-long bouts of amnesia, it won't change opinions. We are limping over the finishing line, and to the end of our worst season in over a decade, after the biggest spend in our history.

All that was broke is still broke, and even the rare good performances this season have had moments of pure and utter shit which forebode failure for as long as Martinez, and his stubborn dependence on contradictory tactics, remain. I wonder how long we will have to watch Martinez play short passing tactics with a traditional power centre-forward, a mix of wingers and attacking midfielders who take longer passing a ball than it takes Stevie G to get sent off, and two tackling midfielders?

Please Bill, get rid of him, so I don't have to watch Stones, Lukaku, Coleman and McCarthy win stuff elsewhere, and our best financial position in years sustained by a dour but dependable Scot go down the fucking toilet with all our hopes and ambitions with it.

Please Martinez, take that grin elsewhere. Let's just have a manager who plays to the obvious strengths of those at the club, who gets us fit, who buys players who suits the tactics he wants to play, and who won't bring on heart palpitations with a style of football which is somehow both impotent, but leaves us open defensively.

Linda Morrison
50 Posted 23/03/2015 at 12:00:32
I think BK has a serious decision to make closed season. Does he stick with Martinez and hope this season was a one-off and gamble for the next to be a big improvement? Or does he get rid and look to bring in an experienced manager who can improve the squad.

I would like Martinez to go even if Everton win all the remaining games. I can't see him changing his style and he will focus on winning a cup next season again to the detriment of the league form.

Benitez will be out of contract and his family are still in the North West. I think the team did well to win the last game as they must have been gutted with the Thursday shambles.

Tony Hill
51 Posted 23/03/2015 at 11:58:34
The problem, Jim, is that we just haven't got a clue what is going to happen in the summer and beyond, because we are in the hands of Kenwright and God knows what he's thinking. I am afraid that everything else is speculation.

It is a gross discourtesy to the fans that BK and the Board have said absolutely nothing about our dreadful season, instead expecting us to lap up their North Korean PR and pay for season tickets. It is treating us all with contempt because it flies in the face of the truth we can all see.

Even if Kenwright came out and said that the manager and Board are aware of how disappointing the season has been but that they consider it to be a one-off and are planning for next season with Martinez as the manager, it would at least be something to get rid of the fog and confusion now hanging over the club.

As I say, we're in Bill's hands and God help us.

Guy Hastings
52 Posted 23/03/2015 at 12:15:51
If BK hasn't bathed in the Goals on Sunday limelight by season's end, then it'll be season's end for RM.
Christopher Dover
53 Posted 23/03/2015 at 12:15:47
At the last game of the season, RM will say have sorted defence and no more big defeats. Oh, shame the season finished... but wait till next season, when we will be PHENOMENAL!!!
Jim Bennings
54 Posted 23/03/2015 at 12:13:44
All this talk about beating a Southampton side that is chasing the top 4 and likely that we will be minus Lukaku and Kone is a bit premature.

Let's just enjoy a rare win for now.

James Marshall
55 Posted 23/03/2015 at 12:37:43
As I've been saying all season, he's a stats-man and QPR were only let get one shot on target which for him is 'phenomenal' play from his charges. Despite the fact we were shit and spent most of the game last-ditch defending against the team with the worst defensive record in the division.

I'm growing to hate him with each week that passes, which is a shame because I'd warmed to him last season, after being a big fat NO voter when he was appointed. Now I'm back to wishing he'd scuttle off to Real Sociedad or somewhere more suited to stupidity week on week.

He's really grating now, to the point Mike Walker did. Sadly I feel we'll be stuck with him as there's no way we'll get relegated and Uncle Bill will see it as a season of transition or some other such shite. I'd love to be proven wrong, and him to turn it round and sort the team out but none of us can see it... Watching yesterday's game felt weird, no pressure almost as I was resigned to us being shit. And we were shit. God knows how we won.

Colin Grierson
56 Posted 23/03/2015 at 12:40:21
"We are adapting towards being a team that can cope with being in Europe."

So do the winners of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy now enter some kind of European Dulux Paint trophy?

James Marshall
57 Posted 23/03/2015 at 13:03:22
Also, on the suggestion that Kenwright should make his voice heard. Why? What difference would it make? None. Nothing would change. We'll stay up and it'll be business as usual because many managers have struggled second season and gone on to better things.

Moyes, Ferguson, Clough et al.

He'll be our manager next year, no question, and BK will say nothing which I'm glad about because most of the stuff that falls out of his mouth is bullshit I'd rather not hear.

Tony Hill
58 Posted 23/03/2015 at 13:07:49
A silent Chairman and a babbling manager. Great.
Steve Harris
59 Posted 23/03/2015 at 13:05:47
Why do people keep mentioning Benitez??? Would you really be happy to see the twat that managed the shite and who took great pleasure in belittling us at every opportunity, including the crass ' small club' line, to be our manager?

Even if, heaven forbid, we offered him the job, I could see him taking great delight in naming his reason's for turning us down, to leave us open to even more ridicule from those lovable Redshites!

Andrew Ellams
60 Posted 23/03/2015 at 13:22:27
Or Steve Harris, how about looking at him as a man who has a bucket load of experience from top clubs across Europe and has backed it up with silverware.

The small club comment was a press soundbite, managers do it all the time now it's just a sad part of the game.

Ross Edwards
61 Posted 23/03/2015 at 13:30:35
If anything I think it would be funny if Benitez became our manager. Imagine if he led us to an FA Cup win and 4th above Liverpool?

But seriously, he is a good manager. He is a winner in Spain, England and Italy. He is the calibre of manager we should be looking at rather than relegated managers or a cheap option from the Championship.

Sid Logan
62 Posted 23/03/2015 at 13:25:25
"Adapting towards a team that can cope with being in Europe."

In case you haven't noticed Roberto there's absolutely no need to adapt to being in Europe because: 1. We've just be knocked out of Europe and 2. Under you the chances of is getting back in to Europe are zilch!

It may well be his most satisfying win - he hasn't got that many to choose from!

I've for a great deal of sympathy for those who can no longer be arsed talking about Martinez. I felt the same way and then I read his latest inane post-match comment and I think I can't let that lie!

Is it not possible, between now and the end of the season, to him just say some thing perfectly reasonable and logical after a game? On top of the abysmal way he's managed the season from pre-season to the present, he's simply confirming his detachment from reality and his unsuitability to carry on.

Kevin Tully
63 Posted 23/03/2015 at 12:58:35
Can anyone seriously see BK sacking Martinez at the end of this season? I would say there is no chance, it's just not his style.

Forget about the compensation package and ask yourself one question:– What are the expectations and ambition of our owners? Top half finish? Maybe a Cup Final once every 10 or 15 years?

European football is a bonus, but not a prerequisite as with some bigger clubs. Just because they have splashed out on a striker, that doesn't mean Martinez's job is any more on the line this season. Hull & West Ham have a higher net spend.

We need to align our ambition with the owners. Mid-table finishes are fine. Then we can all stop fretting.

James Marshall
64 Posted 23/03/2015 at 13:36:49
I'd take Benitez in a heartbeat. Good on him for the 'small club' comment. Alls fair in love & war. He has balls and is a good manager.... Apart from when Ferguson riled him. That was funny.
Drew Shortis
65 Posted 23/03/2015 at 13:29:43
Now we are virtually safe I think that any chance of Kenwright replacing Martinez are gone. I think us fans have every right to be critical of the manager's handling of pre-season, the lack of fighting spirit at times this season, the lack of a Plan B and so on, but I don't believe a constant agitation for Martinez's removal will now accomplish anything except to bring down morale even lower than it is now.

If he is to be given a chance to prove this season was a one off, and Kenwright WILL give him that opportunity, then we should get behind the team in the final games and hope for as strong a finish as possible then reset for next season. I just hope the pre-season is handled much better this time with no World Cup to worry about.

I think the time has come for Bobby to make some brave decisions. Howard needs to be pensioned off to New York Red Bulls and a young keeper brought in to vie with Robles for the jersey.

Alcaraz needs to be released on a free along with Distin if he isn't going to get games and we need to bring in a warrior-leader at centre-back to compliment Stones. Someone in the John Terry or James Collins mould who will battle for every ball coming into the box. They don't necessarily need to be quick or good on the ball. They just need to have a unshakeable determination to win every battle.

In midfield we need another player who can consistently pass the ball forward with creativity and precision as we cannot rely on Gibson to play every game.

Finally we need a goalscorer to play alongside Lukaku. I'm thinking of a Javier Hernandez type 'goal poacher' who can play off Lukaku and make runs in behind the defence.

John Keating
66 Posted 23/03/2015 at 13:57:02
No top-class manager would come here. TheyÂ’d want a shed load of money for themselves and new players. No way will Bill give them big money to spend.

Hopefully Martinez and his philosophy are well and truly packed off ASAP and someone normal can come in. Whoever it is it will be the absolute cheapest option whether you like it or not. Stubbs or the lad at Bournemouth are probably the far more likely to grace Finch Farm than – God forbid – Benitez.

Steve Harris
67 Posted 23/03/2015 at 14:08:00
So if Benitez doesn't work out, who do we try next? Dalglish? (He's won a few trophies) Roy Evans? Ronnie Moran? Souness? Brenda?
James Marshall
68 Posted 23/03/2015 at 14:27:56
Water under the bridge and he's not a real RS anyway.

Besides, as mentioned it'll never happen. We'll stick with Bobby for a while, see what happens then get in someone cheap & cheerful. Which sums us up in truth.

Sam Hoare
69 Posted 23/03/2015 at 14:39:43
Martinez is staying for the short term at least. Maybe if we are stinking the place out at the start of next season BK might get rid but I'll wage he'll get at least another half season.

Hopefully the trials off this season may persuade him to really pull his finger out and give the squad the overhaul it needed last Summer whilst he was off doing his pundit thing.

By my reckoning we need:

A new 1st team GK
A reserve CB to fill in for Stones and Jagielka and compete with Galloway/Browning
A 1st team midfield playmaker (our version of Silva, Cazorla, Mata, Coutinho, Eriksen)
A 1st team winger
A reserve striker as Kone is unlikely to stay fit/offer enough

That's at least 5 new players and does not include replacing the likes of Mirallas and Coleman who could well be off. I expect a Summer of change and given Martinez's past records in the transfer market i'm a bit worried.

Patrick Murphy
70 Posted 23/03/2015 at 14:29:38
I just read an article by Kirsten Walsh in the Echo in which he compares the stability of Everton and the revolving door policy at QPR.

He argues that those who want to see the back of our current manager should "be careful what they wish for". The single most annoying phrase of modern times – what most Evertonians wish for is a team which takes to the pitch 100% fit, organised, ready to put their bodies on the line and able to pass to each other without giving the ball away with annoying regularity. If the team could achieve that and win the odd game now again there would be fewer Blues moaning and groaning at the team and its manager.

When I see other teams, with lesser quality players and less experience of the Premier League, able to do most of the things that fans want, you have to wonder just what our players do between games. Any team can have one or maybe two players out of form for a period of the season, but Everton seem to have had over half the team under performing for the entire campaign. There has to be an underlying reason for that and even Roberto has alluded to it but hasn't told us why that has been the case.

We were all hoping for an improvement on last season, but we also realised that this would be a big ask; what none of us expected was the dire and directionless method of playing compounded by the players' inability to get stuck in, make simple passes and a Keystone Cops approach to defending.

As somebody pointed out, if the form shown since mid-December had've taken place for the same duration at the start of the season, Martinez's position would have been untenable. Why then do so many people find it acceptable just because it happened in the middle of the season?

Where is the evidence to support the theory that things will improve at the beginning of the next campaign? There will be no huge overhaul of the squad – the club can't afford it – so exactly what do people think will alter to allow the manager to enforce his philosophy next time around?

We should be careful what we wish for, because if Everton and the board get it wrong by standing by their man, it could cost the club many supporters and many millions of pounds in prize money. Unlike previous occasions, those supporters won't be in a hurry to return to the fold because the owners will have proven that they only care about themselves and have no intention of seeking gradual or (god forbid) rapid improvement.

They have always taken the cheap and easy option – don't forget, if Moyes hadn't've been tapped up by Man Utd, he would have remained in charge at Goodison and would still be here which really highlights the ambition of those who lead the club.

Paul Thompson
71 Posted 23/03/2015 at 14:52:42
It would be good to have a version of 'Google translate' next to every report of our manager's utterances as they have only a vague relationship to actual events. On this occasion 'my most satisfying win I've had since I arrived at Everton' might have come out as 'my biggest relief as another defeat would have led to my departing Everton'.
Tony Hill
72 Posted 23/03/2015 at 15:44:18
I agree with Patrick Murphy that the club is on a knife edge. Get it wrong and there will be an exodus of fans beyond the hard core. You can see signs of it with the likes of Sunderland and Villa and some of their home crowds this year.

There are bigger questions here about the PL model and the dominance of the top 4 but one thing is certain, people won't easily pay ticket prices etc. to watch continuing mediocrity or, as with this season for us, worse than mediocrity.

Colin Grierson
73 Posted 23/03/2015 at 15:19:23
Paul #71

That's a phenomenal idea! We could cal it 'Roberto's Phenomenasaurus'.

"It wasn't a day for a technical performance on the ball, it was about being a strong group and showing we have a strong will"
came out as...
"We're shit and we rode our luck and kept on being shit right till the end."

It works a treat!

Trevor Peers
74 Posted 23/03/2015 at 15:19:23
The Spectre of relegation has subsided and Roberto will start the new season as manager; BK has deemed his efforts acceptable. We, the supporters, have no say in the matter. Hopefully Roberto has learned his lesson and scrapped the ridiculous Tic-Tac system that left us winless and impotent and adopts a 4-4-2 style which at least gives us a chance of winning some games.

Sam wrote earlier about the need for new additions and I think he had it about right; I'd go for two playmakers because Gibson (injuries) and Ossie are not getting any younger. Creative players with a combative streak are always the most difficult to find and are most in demand.

Whatever happens, we will probably remain at best a mid-table outfit and at worst another flirtation with relegation is entirely possible because Roberto is not equipped to mentally to take us to the top and keep us there.

The only way he could is if he gets LUCKY and unearths a Super Star just like the RS did when they signed Rat Boy who carried the team single-handedly to the top. Otherwise, it's another season of mediocrity or worse i'm afraid.

Sid Logan
75 Posted 23/03/2015 at 16:56:46
I haven't got the stomach to discuss what we need in the way of new players next season but I admire those who can.

I have little or no faith that, whatever team Roberto assembles next season, he will perform any better than he has done this season. To those of the 'give him a chance to finish the job' persuasion, I would say that there is little evidence he has the capability, But good luck with that anyway!

The fact is, those of us who want to see the back of him know that it's not going to happen. We have little choice but hope for confirmation of our survival and then to sit back and await next season with a huge feeling of emptiness and much trepidation.

A major problem for Martinez next season will be holding on to those players who have been performing reasonably well since teams will be watching out situation with interest in the hope of picking up disillusioned players fairly easily. As for his ability to bring in anyone worthwhile... well, personally, I wouldn't hold my breath.

I would imagine that many of those who gave the club a huge bounce in season ticket numbers after last season will be reluctant to do the same next season. Those of us who are hardcore season ticket buyers will no doubt renew as usual. I personally will wait until the last possible day before renewing so as to give the club some cause for thought.

As many others have said on here, I've had experienced many emotions over the years but rarely have I had such a feeling of disinterest in our performances. This is the legacy of Martinez.

It has always been a treat to watch games I've recorded even when I've been at the match. I've enjoyed watching in a more dispassionate and often more relaxing way. This is the first season I can ever recall when I couldn't even be bothered to do that.

Who will be our saviour and where is he?

Tom R Owen
76 Posted 23/03/2015 at 17:59:14
Nothing will change whilst Bill "the luvvie" is in charge.
Steve Davies
77 Posted 23/03/2015 at 18:26:57
I hesitated today before I bought a pair of brown shoes, seriously! Skechers? I have half expected my girl to tell me it was a positive step and they looked phenomenal. What is this guy doing to my karma?

My 15-year-old actually said they were not fashionable and he would not be seen dead wearing them.....I hate these fashionistas!!!

Now where is my Sergio T 80's jumper....

Andy Crooks
78 Posted 23/03/2015 at 18:58:22
John (#66),

There aren't that many big jobs available for top class managers. We appear to pay top wages for our coach so I think many would be interested by the money alone.

However, we have a chairman who wants a very specific type of manager. Keeping the club in the Premier League is all that is required as far as ambition goes. He must, though, keep the party line, talk Pollyanna nonsense, pay lip service to the club's history and never, ever rock the boat.

So, Bill already has his man.

Harold Matthews
79 Posted 23/03/2015 at 19:58:54
Patrick / Sid / Andy. Great posts lads. Right on the button.

Nothing wrong with brown shoes, Steve. I've worn them all my life and the Italian leather Caramel were a real bird puller. Sheer class.

Dumped the boring "blacks" when I left the forces but kept one pair for funerals.

Tony Abrahams
80 Posted 23/03/2015 at 20:48:17
Patrick, I totally agree with that quote about being careful what we wish for.

I often ask people who like Kenwright to name me one good thing that he has done for Everton, other than keep us out of the clutches of a really, really, really, really bad owner.

How could we "not be careful what we wish for" when we have the most passionate Evertonian in charge? A man who will always have the club's best interests at heart. Especially when he ring-fences the money, to safe guard our future, and tells us if we had a new ground, then Shiek Mansour would now be our owner?

Guy Hastings
81 Posted 23/03/2015 at 21:38:07
Sorry, Harold - brown shoes don't make it. Never have. A pair of Blahniks, mind you...
Sid Logan
82 Posted 23/03/2015 at 21:25:43
Tony (#80),

On Kenwright's contribution to Everton? I have two suggestions.

1. Converting Jenny Seagrove to become an Evertonian, and;

2. His brilliant intuitive creation: The Everton Timeline pasted around the whole of Goodison Park without a clear thought of it's purpose. By its very existence publicising to anyone who didn't already know that our glorious history ended in 1995.

And then with every passing year he remains as Chairman reaffirming that it's highly unlikely to to progress beyond that date. Quite simply the plain truth is while BK's here his ludicrously romantic timeline demonstrates – to anyone who bothers to take notice – that our future is all in the past and, until we get a Chairman who isn't an indulgent self-confessed nostalgic romantic, it always will be!

John Otway
83 Posted 23/03/2015 at 22:00:28
Sadly Sid (82) it's all down to Earl and the potty mouthed Green, Kenwright has sod all to do with it.
Christopher Dover
85 Posted 24/03/2015 at 08:35:06
Be careful what you wish for! This has come up a few times and while we all like a moan (me included) and the team is playing very poorly remember how many wanted Moyes gone, he has, and some liked RM and others did not.

BK has always said he does not have the money to put into the club to make it a Man City or Chelsea or even they who cannot be named over the park. He is an Evertonian and this must be good as it's not just financial, he wants us to win – the winning (in case we forget) will always help more in getting a buyer... so, no matter what we think of Bill, it's in his interest to have a successful team, both as a supporter and in the selling of the club.

I did like RM when he came and do not now rate him; like many, I changed my mind... but Bill will almost certainly give him next season to see if he is the real deal, Everton do not get rid of managers easy; do not think it's the payoff as this would be insignificant if the club drop down a division or even drop 10-12 places down the league.

Love him or loath him, he will be here next season. Time will tell if it works, and if you think this is just a load of rubbish well I have taken the plunge and got a season ticket for next season so am breathing a bit easier that I will not be watching Championship football.

Phil Walling
86 Posted 24/03/2015 at 08:37:25
Well said, Sid @82. On 20th May this year we can celebrate 'Twenty years of Fuck All'!

Perhaps the club could lay on a special event – an empty bus around the City – and the Echo a special insert in which all BK's mistakes and lost opportunities can be chronicled.

The scope for publicity is endless and for once even the 'dark side' supporters would join in!

Get it on, I say!

Ian Hollingworth
87 Posted 24/03/2015 at 09:34:14
Christ even our history is history!!!!!
Tony Abrahams
88 Posted 24/03/2015 at 09:50:41
That's it Sid, in a nutshell. We still get the Evertonian shout on a regular basis. But for all these people stop and think.

Kenwright told us the money was there for the Kings Dock, but it wasn't. He sold Bellefield, but instead of paying off the new training ground, it was sold for under ٥ million. This enabled us to rent it back for 㿼 Million, I say rent it back for 㿼 Million, over a 50-year period?

The council stepped in, with a deal which was described as innovative by Elstone??? Why, because it will now only cost us 㿨 Million over the same period??

Not much wrong though because "he's one of us", and he's only got the club's (his own) best interest at heart!

Moyes became one of the highest paid managers in world football, just to keep us in the top half of the league, and it's these actions more than any, which show you the ambition of Everton Football Club, under the present regime.

Karl Parsons
89 Posted 24/03/2015 at 10:22:29
Roberto, take note: A wise man has something to say. A fool has to say something.
Patrick Murphy
90 Posted 24/03/2015 at 10:42:44
Christopher (#85) – I think you may have got a little confused; there were many Blues who weren't exactly gutted when David Moyes left Everton FC but the overall majority would have been happy to see him continue in the hot-seat; remember it was David Moyes who chose to leave and not Everton Football Club's decision to let him go.
Brent Stephens
91 Posted 24/03/2015 at 11:09:27
Karl, did you have to say that?!
Tony Abrahams
92 Posted 24/03/2015 at 10:58:01
Karl, this has got to be why a lot of people have gone off the manager. He's saying we have had a bad season for a number of reasons, and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in wishing Martinez keeps quiet, until he decides to tell us what went wrong.

If he's learnt anything about us, he will keep it short and sweet, try not to gloss over anything, and not look to shift the blame elsewhere.

If he's to be given another chance, I would like to think the crowd would be right behind him, but sadly I don't think that this will be the case.

I honestly think we will lose at least 7,000 season tickets this summer, and this could be the deciding factor as to whether he is given another chance.

I'm only speaking for myself, but I think the international break has come at the right time for everyone, because I'm sure I'm not alone, again, thinking that a lot of us need a little break from Everton, the way things have gone this year.

David Ellis
93 Posted 24/03/2015 at 11:18:49
Why people choose to be annoyed by these utterances is beyond me. Yes, what he says is ridiculous but you just need to apply the "Roberto filter" and notch everything down about 75% and then everything makes perfect sense. A bit like reading a red top newspaper.

Of course why anyone would bother listening to Martinez's interviews or read a red top is also beyond me.

Eugene Ruane
94 Posted 24/03/2015 at 11:16:24
One of the (few) good things about getting past the age of 50, is that you see certain things very clearly and are not as easily swayed by the herd as you once were.

As a teenager (because all my mates did) I had my hair shaved down to the wood, wore a (fake) crombie, flemmos (up to my knees) and monkey boots.

In the words of Alexie Sayle (talking about himself wearing an Afghan coat) ’I felt like a million dollars, looked like a cunt.’

As I got older and fashion meant less and less, I was able to stand back and see trends with much more clarity.

There are two things I now know.

Despite the millions who, by their choice of shoe, would beg to differ, wearing brown shoes with black or dark grey kecks is... wrong.

Despite what the fashion magazines, TV presenters, footballers and Mr Martinez think, the only shoe for black kecks is a black shoe and the only thing worse than wearing brown shoes with a black suit is doing that Phil Collins/Paul McCartney thing of wearing battered basies/trainees with a suit. (It’s supposed to say ’Hey I’m in a suit but still a rebel’, but actually says ’I’m a big softie bell-whiff who was never a rebel’.)

Still there is a trend which is much worse, a shocking trend which I first noticed a few years ago while living in Gothenburg – fellers wearing red kecks.

Whenever I see this, I tut, shake my head and think "You’d pour maple syrup all over your ball bag if GQ said it was ’in’."

Fortunately, this trend is not something most Evertonians would be guilty of as we rarely own anything red (and tend not to be called Toby... or have floppy hair... or spend our evenings braying shite in bars in Chelsea).

Phil Walling (#86) – I genuinely think your suggestion has merit. BK has shown he is beyond being embarrassed, but a city tour in a ’2O YEARS OF NOTHING’ bus containing supporters and plastered with the list of fuck-ups is something I’d like to see. Certainly if nothing happens then... nothing happens.

Steve Barr
95 Posted 24/03/2015 at 12:23:04
Karl, you should avoid cliches like the plague!

Phil and Sid, very funny but very sad.

Keep these gems coming. We all need a bit of humour given our current plight, sad past 20 years and the prospect of nothing different in the foreseeable future.

The joys of being an Evertonian.

Kevin Tully
96 Posted 24/03/2015 at 12:58:19
Basically, It's stories like this which should make us all start supporting Marine FC ; Link

I did quite like one supporter's comments though: "Two seasons, 7 goals, 1 new Lamborghini Aventador."

I am very seriously considering fucking the whole thing off. Just need to find something to a) Give me an excuse to go on the ale most weekends, and b) To get plastered after another loss.

Any suggestions?

David Midgley
97 Posted 24/03/2015 at 11:17:36
If Roberto thinks that two strikers pose a serious threat, why doesn't he try them on a regular basis?

I wonder how significant was his statement at the start of the season that we needed seven new players? He later ammended that. Was his card marked by the chairman or the board? Or both? I can't believe the deafening silence from the chairman or the board.

Sunderland have sacked one man and brought in another who seems to be a decent manager from his record. If they, Sunderland can do it, surely Everton, a far more attractive club with a far greater history and potential, can match and or do better? Being in a sticky situation is obviously not a deterrent to managers. The Premier League is a great attraction.

People mention Eddie Howe. His teams, like all the other top six in the Championship, have wingers, forwards and a midfield. They all play at a fast pace, move the ball quickly and in a direct manner, and the eleven men play as a team. Unfortunately that's something we seem incapable of doing. Is this the fault of the players through limited ability, age or fitness? Is it the way the team is set up? The manager?

As many people have pointed out, the next few months are pivotal for the future of the club. We should be preparing for next season now. We have many young players out on loan. If and when we we are definitely safe, or even now, I think they should be recalled to see just how great their potential is and if they will possibly cut the mustard. Garbutt et al should have their chance.

As it is now, lots of the current first team squad needs to be moved on; they might wear an Everton shirt but they're not Everton players. Burnley have shown that there are players in the lower divisions that can play: Danny Ings, etc. Is our scouting system up to it? There appears to have been lots of unrest at the club with lots of backroom people leaving. Everton have always been known as a good stable club to be with – What has happened?

I've been a Blue for sixty years .I don't say that as though I have some special insight or greater knowledge – I don't. This is just my club. I've seen far more intelligent posts here on a regular basis, and some not so. However, over that period of time I've felt that the vast majority of players, once they've put the shirt on and stepped on to the turf at Goodison, give it a go. Quite a few of this bunch seem as if a Ben Sherman would be just as good.

I think our present manager seems to be unable to set up a balanced team, get them moving at a faster pace, and get them motivated as a unit. He's not ruthlesss enough for the job. I just couldn't see The Cat putting up with this. Or the dog either.

Patrick Murphy
98 Posted 24/03/2015 at 13:40:16
Kevin (#96), I suppose we could mind the players' cars for a couple of hours while the match is on and earn a fiver or so but, knowing some of these footballers, they would probably charge us for the privilege.

There is no problem with players earning decent sums of money and top players earning fantastic money – but the whole thing has gotten out of hand and the vast majority of players in the PL probably think that 'minimum wage' means 㿀k a week and find it difficult to understand why fans moan at the ticket prices. It's nobody's fault but the clubs' themselves – you can't blame the players for taking what's on offer.

Kevin Tully
99 Posted 24/03/2015 at 14:03:02
Agree Patrick. You can't blame the players, if someone offered us plenty of poke, I'm sure we would snatch their hand off.

It's just got me thinking though, do I really want to contribute (no matter how little) so bang average players can live like lottery winners? Do they deserve our unwavering support? Or should we all say "Fuck you, we'll come back when you buck your ideas up, you useless pricks."

Really not sure.

Sid Logan
100 Posted 24/03/2015 at 14:23:23

The points you both make have, I suspect, been exercising supporters' minds for a while now.

What's equally bad, of course, is the whole Sky-/BT-related media circus. The introduction of super pundit Thierry Henri was one of the most cringeworthy episodes I've seen in a long time... but so representative of the shite that football supporters have inflicted on them.

And to see the way Souness and Rednapp had to swallow their egos and go along with this was the only limited pleasure in an otherwise aggravating bullshit process.

Don't get me started!!! But it looks like I already have!

Phil Walling
102 Posted 24/03/2015 at 14:24:25
I see Eddie Howe's name being mentioned frequently in these columns. Now I don't know much about Mr Howe apart from the fact that, when he stepped out of his comfort zone to move to Burnley, he was like a puppy dog in the headlights. Horses for courses, as they say.

But be that as it may, I do believe that he – or, indeed, any of the lower-tier managers, could have got our squad into a mid-table position this season, Europa or no Europa.

Not asking much, is it? But good enough for Blue Bill.

Rob Murphy
103 Posted 24/03/2015 at 14:53:59
A guy buys a car so we should start supporting Marine?
Steve Carse
104 Posted 24/03/2015 at 14:56:27
I like Howe and how his teams play but one massive problem for him at any big club would be his credibility amongst a playing squad of full internationals. Even at Everton where traditionally we've avoided buying players with big egos, I think he would have his work cut out.
Eugene Ruane
105 Posted 24/03/2015 at 14:31:06
Kevin (99) - "Do they deserve our unwavering support? Or should we all say "Fuck you, we'll come back when you buck your ideas up, you useless pricks."

Well the sane, sensible, logical answer is "Fuck you, we'll come back when you buck your ideas up, you useless pricks."

However this is where football is like few other things in life. Virtually nothing else has a pull that can make us dismiss what what we know is a sensible choice and embrace what we know is insane. If we applied the 'logic' we do with Everton, to other things in life, whatever those things were would be doomed to failure.

Imagine your response if you were buying a flat and a mate told you "I know an estate agent, he's completely fucking useless and a total lying bastard – he'll try and screw as much money out of you as he can and give you absolutely fuck all in return. He's guaranteed to fuck you up."

In normal life, it'd be "Fuck HIM!" but with Everton, it's "Yeah I'll renew me season ticket" (and, like an insane person, I will).

The only other situations I see where logic goes out of the window in the same way, involve family and religion.

Evidence might show that a feller was caught standing over the bloodied victim with an axe in his hand but his deluded mam will say "No, he's a good lad, he's been framed, he couldn't have done it."

Then there's religion:– "My man in the sky, even though there's not one shred of proof of his existence, is better than your man in the sky."

"No MY man in the sky...." etc.

Dave Abrahams
106 Posted 24/03/2015 at 17:08:41
Martinez has the main ingredient to be a top politician, utter and total shamelessness, just oozes it.
Patrick Murphy
107 Posted 24/03/2015 at 17:36:22
Eugene - If there is a 'Man in the Sky' it would appear that he has little or no time for anything to do with Everton FC or his nemesis "Man who likes fire" is actually in charge and is a rampant lover of all things red

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