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Adams hails Little Magician Green

06/04/2015  Comments (52)  jump
Tranmere boss Mickey Adams has spoken in glowing terms of on-loan midfielder George Green who has breathed life into Rovers' battle to beat the drop from League Two.

The 19 year-old scored a priceless last-minute equaliser on his debut and followed that up with another impressive display as Tranmere registered a 2-2 draw at Stevenage.

Adams has had to wait to land the Everton Academy talent but he is determined to make the most of his precocious talents while he has him at Prenton Park.

George is a confident young chap and we don't want to take anything away from him," Adams said.

I think he is a little magician. He can do things with the ball that players at this level can't. What we have to do is get him in the right areas to hurt the opposition.

We are trying to build a relationship with Everton. He was one Everton threw at us later on. They obviously wanted to do well with their under 21 team this season so they kept hold of their better players. We had our eye on him and we are glad we have got him.

Rovers remain in the relegation zone, a point adrift of Hartlepool but, with six games still to play and Green in the side, they are hoping to amass the points needed to remain in the Football League.

Quotes sourced from Liverpool Echo


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David Chait
1 Posted 06/04/2015 at 06:56:59
The sound bytes are encouraging and it's hard to believe he is 19 already. 4 years since supposedly the biggest coup ever. Wow, we expected huge things by now...

Some settling-in trouble and neck injury has pegged him back but some are late bloomers... So can we still hope he has "it"? He does seem to be filling out a touch and had become more regular in the U21s.

My biggest worry is that he hasn't been chosen for England for some time and hardly at all. So few kids make it that even being in England youth is no guarantee... So if you can't crack that level then the signs aren't good.

As with Baxter I will keep holding thumbs!

Eric Myles
2 Posted 06/04/2015 at 07:30:57
We kept hold of our better academy players? Does that mean we don't rate Green?
Charlie Fath
3 Posted 06/04/2015 at 08:24:28
No Eric, we kept hold of players when the U21 had games, now they don’t have much of a fixture list a few have gone on loan. Green has had a time out so should be fresh to impress, I understand he is well thought of back at Goodison.
Dave Abrahams
4 Posted 06/04/2015 at 08:44:47
Eric. I think it's always been up to the lad himself, a rare talent. George, I think is a bit of a maverick; he started off well at Everton, then in his second season seemed to lose interest in football and looked like he was drifting away from the game.

However, at the start of last season, he got a sense of giving the game a good go, he picked up his game and had a good season. At the start of this season he had a bad injury and missed a lot of games. He came and back and has really started to show the potential he was always capable of and will hopefully make the breakthrough next season.

George can be a star in the game but has this maverick side to his nature so you can never be sure he will carry on doing the right things; it's all down to him.

Sam Hoare
5 Posted 06/04/2015 at 09:07:05
To be star of a League Two side at 19 is not too bad. Next season he needs to be the mainstay of a League One side or possibly the Championship. Given our lack of competent wingers, if Green has a stellar end to the season at Tranmere and pre-season he may even get a chance sooner but that's probably a long shot.

I think its a lot to ask these players to be ready to make an impact at Premier League level till they are at least 21-22.

Osman wasn't playing regularly with us till he was 23 I believe (maybe even 24) and has gone on to be a far more effective player in my eyes than Jack Rodwell who was playing at 18 (though of course it's still relatively early days for him too).

My point is only that we shouldn't expect these player to be behind the curve because they are not pulling up trees by 19. Different players have different trajectories... though Dave is right and ultimately a lot of it will be down to how much work and dedication the players themselves apply.

Eric Myles
6 Posted 06/04/2015 at 09:16:43
Dave, then I hope the lad does well, either at us or wherever he feels most comfortable.
Matthew Svatos
7 Posted 06/04/2015 at 09:07:12
David, you can't sit there and say he's not good enough because he hasn't cracked the English Under-21s. They only pick players who are Premier League regulars, and he's only 19 to boot. If he's over his injuries, and can stay healthy, he may well knock Barkley out of his place.

Another youngster who I'm excited about is Long. He's free scoring in the second division Championship and is looking a fantastic prospect. Him and Lukaku could be an exciting future partnership. Or not, if Lukaku's agent has his way.

Colin Glassar
8 Posted 06/04/2015 at 10:12:50
I was really excited when he signed for us. He scored that wonder goal and then seemed to disappear for years. I hope he can get his career (with us) back on track.
Ernie Baywood
9 Posted 06/04/2015 at 10:34:29
Get his career back on track at 19. Football it's a tough old school hey?

Not sure comparison with Osman is fair. He had some terrible injuries (leg break?) just as he was breaking through if I remember right.

It's nice to see George making a bit of an impact. Hopefully he comes back better for it.

John Crawley
10 Posted 06/04/2015 at 10:41:45
Interesting comments from Adams about trying to build a relationship with Everton and us holding onto our players to do well in U21 team. Begs the question why haven't we let more of our players out on loan earlier in the season. Give the infrequency of games for the U21, particularly pre Christmas, it's seems the logical thing to have done.

The relationship with tranmere also seems an obvious one to develop, which seems to be happening to a certain extent with Pennington and Kennedy going there. Hopefully Tranmere stay up and they get a bit of management stability and we both benefit.

John Daley
11 Posted 06/04/2015 at 11:03:04
"I was really excited when he signed for us. He scored that wonder goal and then seemed to disappear for years. I hope he can get his career (with us) back on track."

That sums up the unrealistic expectations a lot of young 'hotly tipped' players are unfairly burdened with. A 15 year old youth player signs, scores a cracker, and people are instantly 'excited' and already expecting, rather than simply holding out some faint hope, that he will go on to be a world beater. He doesn't meet some imaginary timetable for insta-success that people have arbitrarily placed upon his shoulders and then they're talking like he's battling to save his career before he's even got started. It's ridiculous. I don't know if it's the same with other teams but it's seemingly par for the course with young players here. Give him five sub appearances and if he fails to get people off their seats whenever the ball is at his feet he'll be the next to be tagged 'fucking overrated'.

Mark Frere
12 Posted 06/04/2015 at 11:06:44
Couldn't agree more John. It would be so beneficial to us, Tranmere and the players if we send 4 or 5 of our young players on loan there for an entire season in the hustle and bustle of League 2. It will certainly help them become men much quicker, whilst developing in the same team which is local. It's no lose situation for both parties. These young lads are gonna develop much quicker playing competitive football.
Colin Glassar
13 Posted 06/04/2015 at 11:32:38
Mark, I wrote about this a while back. Seeing that no one is interested in having 'B' teams in the lower leagues we could come to some understanding with a club like Tranmere and lend them several of our most promising youngsters.
This would be beneficial to both clubs as a club like Tranmere would get youngsters who are a class above anything in the Rovers team and our kids would get invaluable game time in front of proper, partisan crowds and in games that actually mean something.
It's a win-win situation for all involved IMO.
Brin Williams
14 Posted 06/04/2015 at 11:59:15
Yes, Get them out in the real world and working for their crust.
Sam Hoare
15 Posted 06/04/2015 at 12:05:12
Mark 12, but is 'becoming men' the most important thing in their development? Fair to say that alot of the football, pitches, players etc are of a more, dare I say, agricultural level. A lower level at least. Whilst I think getting competitive football is incredibly useful and important it also has to be balanced with a higher level of technical and tactical learning and improvement which they are more likely to get I presume at Everton who have top class and hugely expensive football academy.

I'm all for young players going on loan as a vital part of their leaning curve but I do think there has to be a balance. I suppose that the coaches' and now Joe Royle's job, to see when the players need a loan to move forward and where best will suit them.

Ian Tunstead
16 Posted 06/04/2015 at 11:39:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB4kJ3Es96Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-87Glp8jGVQ

Three things I noticed from watching the clips of his goal and from reading Tranmere fans comments. Which tell me he will make it.

He oozes confidence, demanding the ball off his team mates even though he is at a new team and with new team mates.

He is not fazed when the opposition kick him and try to give him a bit of rough treatment.

He doesnt rely on just his talent, he is prepared to role his sleeves up and puts a shift in.

I noticed the way he gets the ball on the edge of the box feints to shoot then gets his shot away and puts it right in the top corner and I think of the amount of times I have watched Barkley get the ball on the edge of the box feints to shoot but never gets his shot away. That sums it up for me.

Eugene Ruane
17 Posted 06/04/2015 at 11:55:28
John (11) - Agree re unrealistic (other people's) expectations.

A good mate of mine was (with the best intentions) sort of guilty of it with his own son.

At the age of 9, 'scouts' had seen this kid play for a district side (in Netherley) and my mate was soon taking the lad to Blackburn for training a couple of times a week.

Then City showed an interest and he went there for a year.

He ended up at Liverpool and was also playing for two local sides at weekends.

I saw him play a few times and though it was clear he was often the best of a group of 12 year-olds, there was no guarantee of anything and I otten asked my mate "Isn't he a bit young for all this?" ("Naar 'ee loves it")

Long story short, the kid had packed it in by the age 14/15

Now just 16, he watches Everton games with his dad on telly, but doesn't play for anyone anymore and shows no desire to (possible he still could IF left to his own devices)

It was obvious to many of us that he was simply pushed far too hard and there was no fun in it for him at all (when I talked to him about his football, it all seemed rather joyless).

Although nothing special myself as a player, I was lucky as all the football I ever played (much of it with this kid's dad) was my choice and most importantly, there was never any pressure from adults - particularly snarling, shaven-headed adults screaming "GO LEFT GO LEFT!!! WATCH THE FUCKING RUNNER!!! GET TIGHTER!!"

I'm sure in the past I've been guilty of saying "They play too much!!? PFTT! Lazy bastards, we used to play every single day!"

And it's true, we did, but the difference is we went home when we wanted, sat down when we wanted, went to the sweet shop when we wanted and if we wanted to talk about Madeleine Smith's tits instead of playing, we did.

Mark Frere
18 Posted 06/04/2015 at 13:15:32
Sam, I think 1 year in the 'real world' of competetive football will do young footballers a world of good. I'm not talking about them spending their whole youth carrer at Tranmere where like you say, coaching standards will not be as high.

Lets not forget, these young players will have been at Everton from a very young age getting coached through different age levels (with England in some cases as well).

Surely you must see the benefit of few young players plying their trade together, local and in League 2 gaining vital experience?

Eric Myles
19 Posted 06/04/2015 at 13:41:04
John #11, sort of reminds me of the book "Moneyball" where scouts are looking at kids' 'potential' rather than what they are actually good at.
Phill Thompson
20 Posted 06/04/2015 at 14:01:24
I read a good piece by Ronny Delia (Celtic Manager) at the weekend basically saying that one of his young 19-year-old talents was promising but at this stage not better than a good Scottish PL player, hence why he was out on loan and not playing for Celtic. It's the physical element which makes the difference and he cited Rooney as an example of being ready at 16/17.

Eric, if Roberto has read and applied Moneyball tactics then Garbutt would be playing instead of Baines as there was a time when the statistics of his successful crosses where far higher than Baines's.

Ernie Baywood
21 Posted 06/04/2015 at 14:13:17
Moneyball was about picking the stats that matched the winning style you were implementing wasn't it?

I've a funny feeling that crosses won't be high up on Roberto's wishlist.

You'd think goalkeeper errors leading to a goal might be considered though.

Phill Thompson
22 Posted 06/04/2015 at 14:30:26
Well, I read Moneyball as picking the important stats that won games and then picking the players who were best in those stats. So if you believe a good percentage of goals come from crosses, you play the guy who is best at crosses.

I would love to see the stats for our European Goals, my instinct says that we scored a high percentage after winning the ball back, moving forward and shooting at goal after 3 passes or less. Whereas in the PL we perhaps didn't have the same space and the ball went sideways /backwards after we won it back.

I think the Bournemouth owner is heavily into stats as a means of achieving success.

Steve Fletcher
23 Posted 06/04/2015 at 15:01:05
Eugene @17.
Your last paragraph just had the same effect on me as Homer Simpson gets when he sees a box of doughnuts....

Madeleine Smith and her assets... hmmmmmmm!

Eric Myles
24 Posted 06/04/2015 at 15:00:14
Ernie & Phil, yes, you're right about the guy that implemented the 'Moneyball' stats philosophy, but he was the complete opposite of the rest of the teams that were looking at a kids 'potential' rather than concentrating on what he was actually good at.

Beale used stats to see what the kids were good at and played to those strengths rather than dismiss them when their perceived potential in a different position didn't materialise.

Dave Abrahams
25 Posted 06/04/2015 at 15:00:19
Eugene, you can definitely play too much organised football at a young age and you are correct a lot of young lads get pressurised by those close to them, even those who love them and kids can get fed up with the whole process, they should be left to enjoy playing, especially at ages 9- to 12.

Some lads thrive on playing, all kids are different, I remember seeing Colin Harvey in a night game at Old Traffold really enjoying the game, tackled Dennis Law who didn't like it, had a go at Colin who was right back in Law's face with an attitude of "Do want some more?" I loved his attitude and it told me Colin was going to be a good 'un. He was about 19 at the time.

Patrick Murphy
26 Posted 06/04/2015 at 15:20:07
Phil (22) I think it is the Brentford owner who has a penchant for stats as he has forced his current manager to leave Griffin Park at the end of the season as the manager doesn't agree with his stance.
Tony Abrahams
27 Posted 06/04/2015 at 15:24:03
I think a massive percentage of kids who go through academies must get fed up. It's obviously a great life but the sacrifice these kids have to make from an early age is huge.

Looks like Green got fed up after being at Everton for a while and this wouldn't surprise me. Your mates are going out and you have got to go to bed ready for training or a game the next day.

It becomes a job and although it's great there will still be times these kids feel they are missing out on life!

Terry McLavey
30 Posted 06/04/2015 at 16:29:26
#17 Eugene Totally agree about playing every day! In my opinion the more you play, the more you can.

I did a post on "tired legs" that was very well received. In fact someone suggested it be put up at Finch Farm!

If George gets too good we'll probably flog him anyway. Also depends if he gets a game re: Moyes - Barkley scenario.

Madeline Smith tits ! ...bloody hell, I'd forgotten about her ! ....Um? I wonder if the bathrooms free?

Peter Mills
31 Posted 06/04/2015 at 16:48:46
Eugene #17, you have put a name to why I am so loathe to fork out for a new season ticket (l will, as I have done for many years, but this renewal is particularly galling).

"Joyless football".

John Daley
32 Posted 06/04/2015 at 18:41:01
Too young to know who Madeleine Smith was, so had a look on the Internet, only to find this:

Link

About to post a sarcastic comment about her still being a 'striking sort', then remembers thinking when he was a kid that the bird out of the Indiana Jones rip off 'Romancing the Stone' looked a 'right goer'...

Link

....but the perfect role for her nowadays would involve her squawking the words 'Kirmie wormie' in between shovelling Nutella sarnies down her neck:

Link

I flat out refuse to have a look and find out what became of the blonde bird out of Buck Rogers though. 

Andy Crooks
33 Posted 06/04/2015 at 18:45:49
John, Madeleine Smith was a Goddess, a fucking Goddess. Just reading her name has ruined my evening. Hurling me into a spiral of neurotic soul destroying nostalgia.
John Daley
34 Posted 06/04/2015 at 19:32:34
Andy, might I suggest a little Mr and Mrs role play to ease the pangs of pain the former Bond girl has thrown you into? Perhaps slip into your favourite 70s safari suit and start rocking the Roger Moore raised eyebrow, while your other half calls you 'Comrade Crooks' in a sexy (yet ridiculously fake) Russian accent.

Failing that, the following line is guaranteed to work wonders:

Link

Andy Crooks
35 Posted 06/04/2015 at 20:06:52
John, how do you find the perfect link at the drop of a hat? You are an online Samaratin.
Eugene Ruane
36 Posted 06/04/2015 at 20:32:00
John (32) - Your picture of Madeline Smith shows there is nothing crueler (particularly for women) than age.

In the early 1970s there were many large-breasted sorts on telly but many were of the intimidating, knowing, brassy (Diana Dors) sort.

Madeline had something different.

From the neck up it was complete innocence, from the neck down, basically a sexual adventure playground for young men.

A kind of living doodle - the kind of doodle produced by most healthy 14 year old boys, while sitting in miserable classrooms being taught pointless shite about the South Sea Bubble or The War Of Jenkins' ear.

Where this innocence came into it's own (no pun etc) was during one's nocturnal fumblings and fantasies (no typing 'Asian dwarfs' into a search engine back then, had to use our imaginations).

Basically, in fantasyland, Madeline's innocence made her SO easy to dupe into pervyness, that I still feel a little guilty about some of the stuff I tricked her into doing.

Two girls one cup?

PFFT!!

There was only one girl and she had two large cups and the face of an angel

"Nurse could you change me bedpan, that mince has gone right through me!"

Link

Phill Thompson
37 Posted 06/04/2015 at 23:08:09
Patrick (#26), yes, it's Brentford I meant. "Lazy journalism" on my part. I remember reading that their owner was applying the system to a Danish club he owned, but got my "Bs" mixed up.
Andy Crooks
38 Posted 07/04/2015 at 01:17:20
Christ almighty, Eugene, stop it. Please stop it.
Tony Abrahams
39 Posted 07/04/2015 at 08:10:45
At 1:17 am, I would be getting very worried about that, Eugene!
Laurie Hartley
40 Posted 07/04/2015 at 08:18:33
Eugene, I haven't followed your link at 36 (no pun intended) but it has to be Barbara Windsor.

Question 1 – am I correct?
Question 2 – shouldn't you have posted this on talking points?

Steven Telford
41 Posted 07/04/2015 at 16:26:59
Off to Man City for 㿞 million in the summer then.
Eugene Ruane
42 Posted 07/04/2015 at 17:56:24
Laurie (40).

1) No.

2) No.

Ray Roche
43 Posted 07/04/2015 at 18:02:49
Eugene Ruane #36

Eugene, the comment about nothing being crueller to a woman (and a man's memory) than the passage of time reminds me of when I went to see a touring Tamla Motown tribute show with Martha Reeves, one time foxy chick fronting the Vandellas.

Sadly, Martha has spent several decades surviving on a diet of chips with lard butty chasers. She could be used as the bus to park in front of Chelsea's goal. At least the photo of older Smithy is of a woman who could still attract, ahem, a man of a certain age. Martha could attract another Hippo.

Andy Crooks
44 Posted 07/04/2015 at 19:10:46
Apparently Sally Geeson of Bless this House was an Evertonian. I don't know how to provide links but if anyone does?
Laurie Hartley
45 Posted 07/04/2015 at 22:02:02
Very succinct response, Eugene. ;)
Eugene Ruane
46 Posted 07/04/2015 at 22:52:50
Andy, not 100% sure about Sally Geeson being a blue but look at her hairstyle..

Link

Now look at Jim Pearson's..

Link

Spooky or what!

Roger Helm
47 Posted 08/04/2015 at 09:05:36
Amanda Holden also is a Blue – see the Celebrity Evertonians section in the Fans section of this site.
Andy Crooks
48 Posted 08/04/2015 at 20:58:03
I want to know how you did that, Eugene. Not how to get links (though I wouldn't mind knowing that). No, how did you know that Jim Pearson 's hair looked like Sally Gleeson's?

Is it something you have always thought and now, many years later, uncannily, it just happened to come up? I know the eds like stuff to be loosely Everton related so, if I was to enquire say, if an actress like, for example Madeleine Smith was an Evertonian, it might take several links to prove or disprove it.

Colin Glassar
49 Posted 09/04/2015 at 18:37:45
Roger, there are a couple of people I know/have met on that list and I can tell you that A) John Conteh, and all his family, are Redshite fans B) Tom O'Connor is indeed a blue.
Patrick Murphy
50 Posted 09/04/2015 at 19:12:30
Andy, Eugene probably attended one of those 70s hip parties and woke up in the same room with both Jim Pearson and Madeline Smith but took flight when he couldn't remember which one had provided his pleasure the previous evening. BTW, Jim Pearson is a really pleasant person and remains an Evertonian.

As for the links situation – if you find something on the internet that is of interest to TW's you copy and paste the address into your post and then click on the green URL button beneath the Your Comment box.

Colin Glassar
51 Posted 09/04/2015 at 20:09:43
Mary Whitehouse was most definitely not an Evertonian btw.
Eugene Ruane
52 Posted 09/04/2015 at 19:19:00
Patrick (#50),

You're spot on, I did indeed wake at a party in the 1970s to find Jim and Madeleine in attendance, but that wasn't unusual for me, I attended many crazy parties in that era, with many footballers and celeb sorts in attendance (to quote the young Steve Martin, I was a 'wild and crazy guy').

I remember being at one party when Tiger McLauglin got bladdered and tried to throw a fashionable onyx lighter at me coz he thought I was looking at his bird. Fortunately, as it weighed 3 stone, he couldn't lift it off the coffee table. (FFS, I didn't even fancy Rita Webb!)

At another do, I saw Joe Harper drink THREE party sevens, eat three Vesta curries, then make a pass at Susan Stranks. Incredibly she left with him – seems (like Harry Catterick) she had a thing for fat, five-foot-two, completely unfit, red-faced, alcoholic Scottish tramps.

Yes, when I look back, it was one long round of orange-flavoured Matchmakers, Sobranie fags, cravats and cocktails made from Du Kuyper Cherry Brandy mixed with Warninks Advocaat and Davenports home brew mild ("Barman - two Van Der Meydes!")

As for the chance of me ever being pleasured by Jim Pearson?

Pffft! – that would have been a first.

David Hallwood
53 Posted 09/04/2015 at 20:20:38
No wrong there, Colin (#51), I met Mary in the 70s and she came up to me smellin' like a brewery, grabbed my lapel and said "I fuckin' hate you blue gobshites" – true story.
Colin Glassar
54 Posted 09/04/2015 at 20:27:18
Malcolm Muggeridge on the other hand, David, was a regular on Gwladys Street. I think he might've been a blue.

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