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Baines credits Lennon for inspiring Blues' unbeaten run

13/04/2015  Comments (67)  jump
Leighton Baines admits that the hunger and work-rate shown by on-loan winger Aaron Lennon has "embarrassed" the rest of the team into working harder on the field.

Everton have struggled through a poor domestic season and will do well to manage a top-half finish. In that respect, the frank admission from experienced left back Baines will likely not sit well with fans who have been disappointed at times with the players' effort.

The Blues are on a four-match unbeaten run, however, which has lifted them to Premier League safety and coincided with impressive form from Lennon who arrived from Tottenham Hotspur on transfer deadline day.

We haven't played great but if you think about the games with Newcastle or QPR and the amount of times you see [Aaron] tracking back and nicking the ball off people and doing that work, it makes a massive difference, Baines says in the Liverpool Echo

It starts to embarrass people into doing it as well. If you're not doing it and someone, who is not only giving you loads at the top end of the field but is also coming back and doing that, it embarrasses people into doing that.

It is infectious but it is also encouraging when you see someone who is renowned for his attacking threat working so hard, it makes the other lads want to match that. He has been infectious.

Lennon is hoping to impress Roberto Martinez enough to offer him a permanent contract in the summer having fallen out of favour at White Hart Lane under Maurico Pochettino.

His goal at Swansea on Saturday was his second in three following his winner at Queens Park Rangers last month and he industry is certainly winning over Everton supporters.

Recent speculation suggests that the 27 year-old one-time England international could be available for 6m when the transfer window opens in July.  

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Patrick Murphy
1 Posted 13/04/2015 at 02:25:57
That's not embarrassing, Leighton, it is a damn disgrace a player from a club often seen as London's Fancy Dan team arrives on loan and shames other people at Goodison into doing what has been drummed into them for more than half-a-decade.

Managers take a lot of stick and rightly so if they make errors of judgement but, once a player or team crosses the white line, it's down to them to be committed and work hard as a bare minimum.

Whatever has gone on behind the scenes this season has hopefully been addressed Lack of skill, players out of form can all be accepted by the Goodison faithful but players not working hard to win the ball back or to create chances is not and never will be acceptable at Everton FC. We can stick most things most of the time but we shouldn't have to accept a lack of effort ever....

Paul Kelly
2 Posted 13/04/2015 at 03:02:43
Don't worry, he will be as unfit as the rest after a good El Bob pre season.
Eric Myles
3 Posted 13/04/2015 at 05:46:48
Exactly what I was thinking Paul.

Even though he's not played games for Spurs he's obviously been training and keeping fitter than our starters.

Brian Porter
4 Posted 13/04/2015 at 05:53:58
Well said, Leighton, and brave of him to make such an admission.

I have been well impressed by Lennon's industry and workrate (and his goals). He's settled in well and is making himself a definite starter now he's acclimatised himself to the club. As long as Martinez doesn't suddenly decide to start playing him out of position, he could prove to be a really positive addition to the squad if Martinez can successfully negotiate his transfer. That's my biggest worry as I no longer trust our 'phenomenal' manager to do even that without making some sort of drama or crisis over the move.

Let's hope Leighton's words strike home at the rest of the squad and they all try to pull their fingers out in an effort to emulate Aaron Lennon's performances. He is, as Leighton points out, quite literally showing everyone how it should be done, and for God's sake, let's see a response from everyone else. The guy is a breath of fresh air and if we do sign him on a permanent deal, could be just the man to set Rom up fir a few more goals next season as well as bagging a few himself. Welcome to Everton, Aaron.

Trevor Lynes
5 Posted 13/04/2015 at 07:08:59
Lennon has been a success compared to others recently brought to the club. He is a player who will not want to leave and will appreciate getting regular starts. I reckon he is well worth ٤ million.

Players like Lennon, Pienaar and others are worth their contracts and always try their best. If younger players are more ambitious then so be it IMO, get decent money for them and stick with more realistic players.

Incidentally I would much rather have Shelvey in midfield for us than Cleverley any time.

Sam Hoare
6 Posted 13/04/2015 at 08:06:52
Quite a damning indictment of the Martinez era that an on-loan winger is required to show the players they need to work harder... isn't that what a manager is there for?
Dave Abrahams
7 Posted 13/04/2015 at 08:43:18
Amen to everything Patrick said; if the players are embarrassed by the work rate of Lennon, they are not showing it. There was very little energy shown by a lot of the team on Saturday.

There is an awful lot wrong with this Everton side and not much seems to change week after week. We, the fans, are turning up in large numbers to see the same mistakes game after game and nothing will change – not even the manager. The club is rotting away.

Colin Glassar
8 Posted 13/04/2015 at 09:34:35
There you have it, proof that many of our players think they are too good to have to break into a sweat anymore. Is this Martinez's fault? Is it Pellegrini's fault? Or Big Sam's or Carver's etc... when players decide the season is over and they no longer want to exert themselves?

Footballers today hold all the cards. If they want to play, they play; if they don't, they don't. Managers, with a few exceptions, are becoming increasingly meaningless figures. If their multi-millionaire charges decide to skip training, go into a strop or generally be a tit, then the manager has his hands tied behind his back as the club needs to protect their 'investment'.

I could go on and on giving examples of 'player power' and their couldn't-care-less twattish attitude but that would just make me angrier. And, after all, it's easier to blame the manager.

Andy Crooks
9 Posted 13/04/2015 at 09:47:57
Sadly, Colin, you are right. The supporters care about the club, the players care about money and their careers.
James Stewart
10 Posted 13/04/2015 at 09:48:40
Hardly surprising. Can anyone imagine the players turning in that kind of effort under Moyes? They would be crucified. The work rate and discipline of his reign is sorely missed and at the very least we should be matching it these days.
Andrew Ellams
11 Posted 13/04/2015 at 09:57:31
Bit of déjà vu here perhaps. Player comes in on loan looking to land himself a deal and works his socks off to get it. The key will be next season if he is on the permanent payroll and still putting in the same amount of graft.
Colin Glassar
12 Posted 13/04/2015 at 09:57:33
James, OFM like Fergie and Mancini, are part of a dying breed of old-school managers where discipline was paramount.

Nowadays, you can see a Balotelli who trains when he feels like it, a Wilshere constantly caught smoking at 3 am in nightclubs when he should be resting, a Yaya Toure strolling around the pitch when his team are getting battered in a derby, a Newcastle team who look like they struggle just to put their kit on, WHU players who look like they'd rather be anywhere else then on the pitch, etc.....

My point being that managers no longer have the power to threaten, even cajole, their players anymore as the balance of power has shifted in the players' favour. You see managers shouting and screaming all the time but, if their overpaid, overrated 'stars' can't be arsed, there's not much they can do about it.

Sam Hoare
13 Posted 13/04/2015 at 10:02:18
Colin, 8 I think the manager has to take at least some of the responsibility if the players are not putting in the effort. If not all of it. It is their job to both recruit and then motivate the players, to prepare them mentally and physically for their matches.

Martinez and Pellegrini are both open to the criticism of being too nice, of putting hard graft behind artistry and aesthetic. I'm not sure about Big Sam but I imagine his teams work harder than Martinez's.

Yes, players have too much power but it requires a good strong manager to let them know who is the boss and what will be required. And if they don't put in the needed effort then to replace them with someone who does... a super hungry youngster for example.

Jim Bennings
14 Posted 13/04/2015 at 10:14:50

The "permanent deal" factor won't be a problem with Lennon, mate, so I wouldn't concern myself too much.

The Tottenham supporters I have spoken to say one of the things they loved most about Aaron Lennon was the fact he worked his socks off and put in a real 110% shift as a player every week. He isn't liable to be like one of these Dutch or Belgian or even African sulks when they spit their dummies out over trivial things.

People accuse Gareth Barry of being an example of this but I don't think it's so much that Barry is not trying, he is giving his all every week, it's just that at the age of 34 his body has slowed down especially given the fact even in his younger days, he was never the most, shall we say, mobile or agile?

Signing Lennon, who is at the peak of his playing powers turning 28 this month, still young enough but with suitable experience, is a no-brainer for as little as ٤ million in this day and age of extortionate fees.

As for the fitness factors? Well, we have said all year, it's something that Martinez and his staff have neglected since the days Moyes was here.

Jim Bennings
15 Posted 13/04/2015 at 10:33:17
Whenever we used to play Spurs, the first two names that I would look for on their team would be Bale and Lennon. The reason why? Because you knew your chances of winning would be a lot harder simply because of the two of them having two very important factors: Pace and the fact that they never stopped running, whether it was forwards attacking or tracking back. The mere fact they were never still and static, like you watch the rest of the Everton team, slow, static, pedestrian, almost like pieces on a chess board, not willing to move unless someone actually moves them.

Lennon was a key part of Harry Redknapp's great entertaining Tottenham teams that got to the Champions League playing fast, frenetic energetic football that blew sides away with pace.

At nearly 28 , Lennon will still have his powers for at least another three years; Craig Bellamy was still lightening quick at the age of 31.

Col Noon
16 Posted 13/04/2015 at 12:34:58
How has an article that has our best player for the last five years praising the work rate of a team mate turned into ANOTHER Martinez bashing?

Sad beyond belief.

Derek Thomas
17 Posted 13/04/2015 at 12:42:06
Col @16; and on who's watch did this lack of effort gradually happen over the last 1¾ seasons??
Ross Edwards
18 Posted 13/04/2015 at 12:42:41
Lennon has had an impact and good on him, but I have to agree with Colin. It seems our big players are getting too complacent and letting others do the pressing or the chasing for them.

I've said enough about Martinez but is he too much of a soft touch? Mourinho, Van Gaal or Simeone wouldn't accept any slacking.

I could say the same for Pellegrini too. Man City just didn't look bothered yesterday. Especially Yaya Toure, an absolutely shameful display from him.

Tony J Williams
19 Posted 13/04/2015 at 12:48:28
Col, as Derek points out, it's on his watch that these players have slacked off and needed the embarrassment to start playing again.

As much as he (Moyes) made his play some shite football, there wasn't a lack of effort or fitness in his teams.

Ross Edwards
20 Posted 13/04/2015 at 12:47:13
Although a few things Baines has said recently have inadvertently revealed some concerning aspects of the Martinez era.

When he was on ITV during our Europa League tie, I think it was Young Boys at home, and he said that "We can't expect to do the same things if we're not getting any joy." – which to me hinted at some player frustration at RM's tactics.

And now this today. It needs a winger coming on loan working hard to force the players into putting a shift in? Hmm.

Dave Abrahams
21 Posted 13/04/2015 at 12:46:35
Andrew (11) I was going to answer your post but Jim Bennings has done a good job instead.
Minik Hansen
22 Posted 13/04/2015 at 13:05:07
Moyesy definitely had a bad preseason himself going into his second season. Martinez will adjust and bring in the right players into the squad. Lots of players moved out in summer 2004 Moyes brought in Beattie, Arteta and Cahill! Let's see how Martinez can match that this summer!
Christopher Timmins
23 Posted 13/04/2015 at 13:13:43
What really worries me about the situation is that his manager at Spurs is noted for wanting his team to play with a high tempo and to press high up the field. He could not find a place for Lennon so what does that say about the work rate being shown by some of our players?

Scott Robinson
24 Posted 13/04/2015 at 13:19:10
The management style of Roberto Martinez is very obvious: It's management speak, it's called the "Supporter Style". When things are going well, management is a breeze and things just run themselves (aka last season). When things are bad (like this season), it becomes a whole lot more challenging because confrontation is not your thing.

The way RM talks in his pre-team talks and to the press generally, it is very evident it's all one way trash in terms of building up the team and individual players. I do not believe that RM has it in him to be harsh and direct with people, it's just not his style.

Same thing with Pellegrini, they call him "Mr" because he is a gentleman of some sorts. Both are similar in terms of their teams being rudderless in times of crisis.

To me, then, talk of dissent in the dressing room this season I find hard to believe. RM wants to be liked, that's his style, and the fact that the players told him to change the approach (as Lukaku and now Baines did) doesn't surprise me one bit – it's exactly the way he manages.

Unfortunately from what I observe it takes a "commander" style leadership approach in football to speak. Think Ferguson, Mourinho etc..I believe Moyes also took no shit either. having said that, where Guardiola fits into this, I'm not so sure...

Colin Glassar
25 Posted 13/04/2015 at 13:37:02
It shows that some of them, up until Xmas at least, thought they just had to show up and they'd win, Christopher. I hope this season has been a massive wake-up call for all of them, manager included, that you don't win anything unless you are prepared to give 100% in every game.

Too many of them, including Baines, have just been going through the motions this season and only recently have they started to show some fight and desire. I know the manager is guilty of many things but when these highly paid professionals step onto the pitch, it's up to them to show some pride and guts.

Chris Gould
26 Posted 13/04/2015 at 13:37:39
Spurs can't seem to find a regular place for Andros Townsend either. Personally I think that Lennon and Townsend are their best wingers. They just don't fit into Pochettino's system. Their loss is our gain.

As for Baines's comments: a further indictment of Martinez's poor management. He is fully responsible for getting the team to work for him. If they aren't, rather than believing that the players are all prima donnas, we can assume that they have no faith in what they have been told to do.

Flirting with relegation has forced the issue and there has been an attitude adjustment. However, the players won't play for someone who they don't believe in. Some of them are right now playing for their futures. A good barometer of where there head is at will be the first few games of next season.

Eric Myles
27 Posted 13/04/2015 at 13:47:53
Colin #12, then I guess we won't need to bother having a manager next season if he won't be missed.

I think it's a matter of respect, if the players don't respect the manager they won't work hard for him, just like in the workplace.

Or perhaps one of the dying breed is just what we need to sort out the players and their egos.

Steve Brown
28 Posted 13/04/2015 at 14:41:52
Shocking and shaming that one of our senior pros admits the squad were embarrassed into working harder by a loanee. It says everything about the attitude of the squad this season.

There are a number of players who will not be there next season.

Harold Matthews
29 Posted 13/04/2015 at 15:10:26
I know Lennon is what Souness calls a "Lightweight ground coverer" but you don't have to be small to show effort and desire.

The other thing I like about Lennon is that, like Cahill, Ossie and one or two others, he absolutely loves playing football. Far too many look like they would sooner be somewhere else.

Murdo Laing
30 Posted 13/04/2015 at 15:05:30
Firstly, and most pertinently, well done Aaron Lennon for attaining your fitness, team cohesion and personal performance levels so early on in your time with the club. Carry on like this and your surly photo shoot at Finch Farm will soon be forgotten!

Secondly, you could be forgiven for thinking that Baines is being encouraged by Roberto for these utterances, given that LB is probably (in the manager's eyes) ideally placed being a local lad and a senior pro, and therefore there's a "connect" with the fans. If a player makes these comments, then I think RM's ploy is to say that he encourages open expression of views, and they stem from the honesty and commitment of the players to improve etc. I think inevitably though, many of us will see it in a different way, as a clue to players' dissatisfaction with his standards.

Personally, I think the team have been lacking fitness, lacking motivation, and our legendary team spirit (under Moyes) has ebbed away this season. Let's hope things are freshened up considerably over the Summer. We may start hearing some unpleasant truths out of Finch Farm after this miserable season has ended.

Gavin Johnson
31 Posted 13/04/2015 at 15:53:25
I'm starting to warm to Lennon. I was pretty indifferent about the possibility of the signing becoming permanent but he's showing that he wants to play. A big plus for me is that while his end product isn't really any better than McGeady's, he is more direct and is willing to give our defence some extra cover.

I thought Atsu might have been ready for a recall up until the Kiev capitulation, but he flopped and he offered the defence no protection. Atsu, like McGeady is weak and his offensive play doesn't make up for his defensive short-comings.

As others have said, this shows that the players have been going through the motions, either believing the hype that they were a team of Champions League contenders, or it could be that Martinez hasn't been tough enough with them. Either way, it's a sad indictment of how this season's gone.

On the case of Martinez not being tough enough, I've got a mate who supports Manure and he was saying that Fellaini was saying Moyes wasn't as tough as Van Gaal. Well, I always thought Moyes was a bit of a disciplinarian, so, if he's soft compared to Van Gaal, it makes you wonder how Martinez is.

Jim Bennings
32 Posted 13/04/2015 at 15:57:18
Harold Mathews,

Great point about Lennon being in a rare select group that "loves playing football".

That's the exact attitude Cahill had but you looked around when Cahill was here you'd see the likes of Anichebe, Jo, and a few others that just didn't seem to enjoy the game.

You simply just can't coach that attitude in player's, your either born with that fire in your belly or your not and that's what concerns me most about our Ross Barkley, he never seems to want to get dirty or part his hair (has anyone ever seen him even challenge for a header yet?). Whereas the likes of Gerrard across the park has that raw desire and winning mentality.

Lennon is a player that gets a thrill out of football and in a team that hardly does much running around, that's a bloody good trait to have.

Christopher Timmins
33 Posted 13/04/2015 at 16:23:43
Assuming that Lennon maintains his current form then he obviously makes McGeady and Mirallas redundant. I notice Del Boy is not getting much game time in Spain and he did more last year than McGeady did in the year and five months he has been at the club.

Steven Telford
34 Posted 13/04/2015 at 16:21:02
We have 38 points - if we end the season on that number, it could imply that we were unbeatable all season! Cheers to 2014-15.
At least come next season we will be starting off with considerably adjusted expectations. Maybe it will end in novelty.

We are Evertonians and so God knows, "its the hope that kills us", therefore in line with the logic of the curse for which were were born (not manufactured) to suffer, hope must return – for it cannot be dashed if it is not first returned.

Phil Walling
35 Posted 13/04/2015 at 16:41:52
Everything about teams coached by Martinez is soft and 'half soaked'. Being a player of very average ability, he is in awe of supposedly top notch stars and thinks that being the nice guy is the way to earn their respect.

In reality, the opposite is true as Mourhino has proved. You don't gain respect or awe by playing it easy. Off with his head, I say!

Brian Harrison
36 Posted 13/04/2015 at 17:04:48
There is no doubt that Lennon has put a shift in every time he has played, and for Baines to say what he did raises even more questions about this sides fitness or willingness to play for the manager. My only worry about loan players are – remember Terry Curran? He came here on loan and looked great, then signed him and it was if we had signed his twin brother, who didn't play football.

Most fans this season have been rightly critical of the team's fitness, looks like Lennon's work rate has underlined our lack of fitness. Will the pre-season be geared to making our team a lot fitter than this season? Or will our coaches revert to type and adopt this casual approach to fitness as they have this season?

Jim Hardin
37 Posted 13/04/2015 at 17:08:45
Never doubted Lennon's workrate but it his production rate that is awful (Unless Everton have created a new position of holding defensive forward). Assuming that he will play to the back of his baseball card (back of the card holds player's career stats) then his current performance is a blip. Over a total of 267 career appearances for Tottenham he had 26 goals. Stats not better for England or for Leeds when he broke in.

Compared to Mirallas and McGeady his stats are the worst of the three. Kevin Mirallas had 19 goals on what I believe is 82 appearances. In fact, over their careers, Mirallas has about 30 fewer appearances in a professional league but twice as many goals. Even McGeady's totals over his career are 43 goals , 86 assists in 288 appearances.

I simply don't think Lennon is going to be the answer or savior for Everton. If energy and tracking back is all we are looking for then put Besic up there since he runs around a whole lot and would be as far away from our box as is possible when he turns it over.

Ray Atherton
38 Posted 13/04/2015 at 16:46:09
I have always liked Lennon, marauding down the wing for Spurs and England. The transfer fee, as of now, is quoted as ٤ million. If he performs as well in the next six games, do you think Daniel Levy will up the ante?
David Harrison
39 Posted 13/04/2015 at 17:41:14
Are our team not in a similar malaise to Man City, ie. lacking fitness, desire and possibly over the hill? We lack any kind of identity. What does Martinez look for in a player? I can't see any discernible traits apart from the fact most of them have been shite.
Chris Feeley
40 Posted 13/04/2015 at 17:10:52
Ross @ 20,

I get the impression that Baines is becoming the unofficial spokesperson for members of the squad who have seen through the management waffle and have grown tired at being restricted by ineffective, inflexible, and negative tactics. For a team that hasn't seen too many win bonuses this season, I'm surprised it has taken this long. He's probably one of the only players that Martinez will feel he can't discipline or drop for his thinly veiled criticisms of the regime, due to his stature as an established England player and generally being a well liked local lad, and as such he's able to cut through Pedro's propaganda and address the issues that most fans are able to see all too clearly in a simple and honest way.

I don't think this will be the last time that Baines does not toe the party line, and if it forces change then all the better. Hopefully he can now start letting his performance speak volumes. First thing should be to sort out his delivery from corners, as it's been woeful for far too long.

Denis Richardson
41 Posted 13/04/2015 at 17:57:53
Wow, read the OP and had to read it again to make sure I read it correctly. Apologies but I haven't read all the posts but what stands out for me isn't necessarily what was said but who said it.

For Baines to come out and say that publicly really confirms things are not right behind the scenes. Most of us have assumed that was the case but for the quietest senior pro to say that in public is something else.

For me, the read between the lines is simply that there are players at the club who either don't want Martinez there and/or don't want to be there (the latter may be influenced by the former). It's not quite Chelsea/AVB levels but for Baines of all people to say that means there is a real problem. It also shows that Martinez has a discipline problem and doesn't seem to be able to keep the players in check or on side. Eto'o, Distin, Mirallas, Lukaku, Garbutt, just to name a few examples. Didn't like the guy but I cannot imagine these type of things under Moyes, especially in one season.

To solve it, I can really only see either the manager going or a mass of players leaving... I wonder what BK thinks of all this?

Ross Edwards
42 Posted 13/04/2015 at 18:06:25
I think some of the players are far too complacent and that's down to Martinez partly. For example, Baines, Coleman, Howard and Barry in particular know that no matter what they do on that pitch, no matter how badly they play, they are guaranteed a start every week.

I think some of our first team feel that they are undropable and clearly think that they don't need to try as hard as they should do.

John Crawley
43 Posted 13/04/2015 at 18:15:35
Amazing comments and a damning indictment of Martinez. Hard work and desire should be a given. I think it will be interesting to see what happens when we're mathematically safe.
Peter Mills
44 Posted 13/04/2015 at 18:29:22
After a dodgy start (and the departure of Gomis) we got into the game on Saturday, scored, and really should have had a second before half time. Predictably, after the break, we showed a complete lack of urgency and looked as though the plan was to play pretty patterns in midfield for 45 minutes.

Either the team talk at the interval was wrong, or the players' attitude was poor. But the buck only stops in one place.

David Midgley
45 Posted 13/04/2015 at 09:11:39
I don't understand why they're embarrassed. I would have thought it was a given that you tried to win the ball back off an opponent. "It's infectious" – perhaps the rest of them have been immunised for the whole season.
Harold Matthews
46 Posted 13/04/2015 at 18:37:58
Great point, Ross. Watching Man Utd ripping Man City apart, both commentators agreed that competition for places had forced everyone to up their game. The manager has no favourites and no-one is safe. It also underlines our need of a bigger, stronger first team squad.
Patrick Murphy
47 Posted 13/04/2015 at 18:58:55
Harold - Perhaps a bigger stronger first-team coach may be the correct analysis.
Ross Edwards
48 Posted 13/04/2015 at 18:58:46
Man City is a great example Harold. Yaya Toure's 'performance' (used in the vaguest possible term) yesterday was shameful. City's biggest game of the season and he just didn't look bothered at all.

I think it was because he knows that, no matter how poorly he plays, he can't possibly be dropped because he's arguably their best player when he does actually try.

Eddie Dunn
49 Posted 13/04/2015 at 18:31:00
Jim 37, interesting stats mate but they really can be used to prove anything. For instance over their careers, McGeady played in Russia, and Mirallas in Greece, where he was top scorer one season, but who knows how comparable those stats are compared to Lennon's which are mostly in the Premier League.

I have been pleasantly suprised at Lennon's attitude, and hope that, if he does sign permanently, that his levels don't drop off.

Some players get in their comfort zone, and one reason for this is a lack of competition within the squad. I think this is why Howard got a bit sloppy, but now he is back to his best. I watched him warm-up on Saturday, and was impressed with his professionalism, and as I had been one of his critics, I hold my hand up to his improvement. His save from Gomis was sensational.

I suppose footy has changed too much, with player/agent power weakening a manager's hand. Who knows what clauses are inserted into their contracts, and clubs want to attract good players, so they have to put up with the consequences. Gone are the days when a manager would put a top player in the reserves for two years!

If it is a choice between the carrot and the stick, you have a problem, because what kind of carrot do you dangle in front of a pampered man-child earning upwards of 㿞k per week? And what size stick would you be allowed to poke them with? A very small one.

Managers have to be very careful choosing who they employ, or big problems arise, and as our man has found, you don't want to criticise in public, as you devalue your commodity.

Mark Hughes seems to have his Stoke players up for it, they usually turn up, and you wouldn't want Sparky in your face.

Mark Andersson
50 Posted 13/04/2015 at 17:55:14
l love ToffeWweb, so many different points of view. Most are based on logic, some based on fantasy, some based on how many beers or drugs they have took.

I truly truly give up. All I can honestly see after this season, after reading every post on ToffeeWeb for the last 18 months, is we as a football club are going backwards and it's only a matter of time before we become another Leeds United.

Patrick Murphy
51 Posted 13/04/2015 at 19:03:09
Ross, I think the comments about Ya-Ya have been overboard, he's different as he's a winner and how many times has he won points for City when they have been heading for defeat or a single point. He single-handedly led them to the title last year pulling games out of the fire, obviously he feels that some of his mates aren't pulling their weight and despite not playing well yesterday he managed to cover a lot of ground.

I think some of Everton's players have also gone through a bit of "I'm sick of doing all the running in this team – when others are ambling about doing nothing" and it has led to dropped points all over the place.

Oliver Molloy
52 Posted 13/04/2015 at 19:07:51
Lennon is playing for his career, simple. He is a headless chicken.
Tom R Owen
53 Posted 13/04/2015 at 19:27:58
Lennon is doing what a lot did last season – play their way into a lucrative contract! Look what happens when people sign on the dotted line!?

Worst offender: Barry.

Patrick Murphy
54 Posted 13/04/2015 at 20:03:44

Barry has not been the player he was last season; however, he has admitted that he has been overplayed and needs more rest between games than he has done in the past. He should be OK next season, no European games and our traditional early knock-out from the Carling Cup.

James Flynn
55 Posted 13/04/2015 at 18:28:54
Baines was just giving credit where it's due. Even Evertonians who don't want Lennon given a contract have to acknowledge he's done well wearing the shirt.

Forget any Baines giving Roberto the business or Leighton's comments an "indictment" of the manager. His comments give us a clear look at Roberto Martinez, the Everton Football Club manager.

"I signed Lennon. My veteran LB talked to the Press about my signing's positive influence on results [True], I'm making Everton better."

He signed so many veterans to new or extended contracts that left many of us scratching our heads. His fail-safe? "What did I do wrong? The players I sent out my first season, led us into Europe. Why wouldn't I reward them?" Lennon signed? He's playing well, isn't he? Yes, he is.

Whatever you think about EFC, keep this in the forefront of your thinking; Roberto Martinez is first, foremost, and EVER about Roberto Martinez. I say that neutrally. He's not the first or last to view his managerial career that way. It's served him well. So what's your problem?

Ross Edwards
56 Posted 13/04/2015 at 20:31:12
I'm sorry Jamie, but I know he meant it as a compliment about his hard work and his tracking back etc, but when Baines said 'He embarrasses some of the players into doing it as well', surely that rings some alarm bells?

It requires a loan signing doing what the players should be doing already, working hard, tracking back, running into space etc, to 'embarrass' them into working harder? Isn't that what the manager is there to do? Motivate them sufficiently, ensure that they give 100% every single week.

Clearly the management aren't getting that message across. Reeks of complacency and Martinez being a soft touch to me.

Ross Edwards
57 Posted 13/04/2015 at 20:44:32
James not Jamie, haha. Sorry James.
Oliver Molloy
58 Posted 13/04/2015 at 20:52:14
Okay, lads, for all those who think Lennon would be a good signing, I was thinking how much would he be looking for if Everton offered him a contract: 㿔, 50, 60 grand a week?

I'm only guessing obviously, but the figures above are probably in and around what his agent would be looking.

I personally detest the money footballers earn these days, but given that no club has the balls to stand up to a lot of these mercenaries and their agents,will it ever be the same? Is Lennon worth this type of money?

Andy Meighan
59 Posted 13/04/2015 at 21:10:29
Been impressed with his work rate and his attitude has been first class. But be honest, his final ball is shit. And at 28 it isn't going to get better.
Tom R Owen
60 Posted 13/04/2015 at 21:31:36
Very true, Patrick!
James Flynn
61 Posted 13/04/2015 at 21:00:53
Ross - 6 games from the finish line, I'm out of "alarm bells".

Perhaps, Baines's use of "embarrass people" was aimed at some teammates unmentioned. Who knows?

What's left in the EPL season anyway? For me, if Man City can stop their slide. Can't see anything else.

Here, I choose to see Baines's statement as a declaration that the team keeps fighting to the end. What the fuck is there else to say? Him, you, or me.

Anthony Hawkins
62 Posted 13/04/2015 at 22:52:22
The report does highlight how much the players have taken their foot off the gas it also highlights what happens with most other teams each season. New blood comes in to reinvigorate the team and keep things fresh.

The recent squad has worked almost a season behind with the same players eventually coasting because they're not being challenged or reinvigorated as other teams have been. Bringing in a new player should challenge the status quo and push the others.

Ian Smitham
63 Posted 13/04/2015 at 23:12:17
Forgive me if this has been discussed and I missed it. Mr Baines was on TV for the home leg of the Dynamo tie.

You may recall the goal where the player blocked our player and it was attributed to being a copy of a goal by Arsenal against us.

Anyway, to the point, the guy in charge asked LB about who was in charge of who stands on the post defending corners and the response of LB was really along the lines of he had no idea.

At the time, I thought LB misunderstood but, the more I thought of it, I thought he has no idea as to who has to do what and that in making the comment he was subtly having a twopennyworth trying to absolve himself from the failure before them.

I wonder what the players think??

Jim Hardin
64 Posted 14/04/2015 at 02:17:11
Ross (#42), Thank goodness. I wasn't sure who would be the first to take a shot at Barry and Howard. Glad the wait is over despite the fact you are wrong. Also, if Baines and Coleman are defenders and the center-half combo and the mids aren't always up to it, then they have to stay back and defend instead of bombing forward. I agree the offensive stats are down but could it be that they are trying to provide defensive cover?

Eddie (#49), I agree it isn't apples to apples but Lennon was at Leeds and didn't do any better. If you just look at the goals per season or per number of appearances of the players in the EPL only, Lennon is 4 or less per season. There are holding mids that do better than that. He is still behind Mirallas and McGeady.

Maybe one- or two-year contracts are the answer so everyone is always playing hard and players like RVP couldn't take half a season or more off on the training table.

Maybe Pardew, Sparky, or Sherwood should teach a class on how to get the best from your players. I would sign up just to see if RM is there and paying attention.

Mark Andersson
65 Posted 14/04/2015 at 02:27:09
It cannot be easy giving 100% for a useless manager; however, players should give 110% for the fans. They have not this season as they have sulked like spoilt children.

I just hope that the senior players have a word with Blue Bill and in turn Billy Boy has the balls to sack his manager. But the realist in me thinks it will be the same shite next season.

I have had Foxtel for the last 8 years, all because I wanted to watch Everton $100 a month was worth it, but not anymore. I can now read Ken Buckley's match report and be more entertained. Then the icing on the cake is reading all the posts, and that's never dull.

Laurie Hartley
66 Posted 14/04/2015 at 10:34:22
Perhaps Lennon is trying so hard because, as Harold has said, "he loves playing football" and he thinks he might just be able to keep doing so in the Premier League with Everton. Nothing very sinister about that.

As far as him being a "headless chicken" – how can I put this? This is a man who made his debut in the Premier League at the ripe old age of 16 and 12 years later is giving his new team mates a showing up with his energy and commitment. Enough said.

I've got an idea. Why don't we sell two or three players for about 㿞M, buy Lennon for ٤M and buy 4 or 5 more players like him with what's left over for next season.

Eddie Dunn
67 Posted 14/04/2015 at 19:42:14
It would be better if transfer fees were phased out and players could just get a job at a club, and if they were shit, they wouldn't play, wouldn't get paid, and would leave, go somewhere else and get paid.

You know, like in the real world.

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