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Distin denied send-off as Martinez focuses on the future

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Sylvain Distin will not be offered the chance to bid farewell to Everton's fans from the Goodison Park pitch next weekend as Roberto Martinez rules out playing the Frenchman one last time.

Distin has been frozen out of the first-team picture at Everton since a proposed move to West Ham fell through on transfer deadline day in February but he and many Blues fans were hoping he might be given a cameo in the season finale against Tottenham.

The manager insisted, however, that he is not in a position to grant such a sentimental request as he looks ahead to the 2015-16 campaign when he was asked if Distin would feature on the last day.

I don't think so," Martinez said. "We need to prepare for next season and we are not in a situation just to give a send-off to anyone for any reason."

When asked about Distin's recent cryptic references to "the truth" eventually coming out, the Spaniard said: I'm sure that if he comes out and tells the truth he's going to say the truth — his situation has never been an issue in terms of anything away from having a difficult period as a team defensively and you have to find the best partnership. You get a young man like John Stones who has emerged. You can only play 11 players.

[Sylvain is] 37, he's had a phenomenal career, but we have a young man at the age of 20 who has created a really good partnership, and you have to make decisions for the good of the team, not to satisfy individuals.

Not surprisingly, Martinez poured cold water on any suggestion that the defender might be offered an extension to his contract which expires this summer.

Of course it would be odd, he responded.  


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James Flynn
1 Posted 16/05/2015 at 00:46:16
Sorry to read this.

Is it possible Roberto is just stuck in the middle? When Sylvain came back from France, Martinez put him back in the Side. He played. When the window closed, Roberto made statements where Distin was still in his plans. Yet, he never played again.

Maybe Distin had words with someone on the money end and Roberto was told to forget playing him. WouldnÂ’t surprise me.

Once Coleman settled in, IÂ’d like to think Everton had the best back four in the league. And when Hibbert was there before him, not to shabby then either.

ItÂ’s really too bad it ends this way.

Stephen Scofield
2 Posted 16/05/2015 at 00:58:13
ThatÂ’s ridiculous. He has been a rock at the back for the best of six years. The league is over. He could easily be a sub and come on after 70 mins to a standing ovation.

Things like this make me think Martinez is disconnected from the team in an unnatural way.

Give the guy the send off he deserves.

Mark Andersson
3 Posted 16/05/2015 at 02:25:29
Not so sure on this one. Roberto is right to have played Stones as partner for Jags,

But not giving him even 5 minutes at the end is a bit shit.

Good luck to the man. The truth is out there.

Terence Leong
4 Posted 16/05/2015 at 02:23:25
If I were the manager, I will feel that I am cornered to reveal my team ahead of time, just to satisfy some papers selling their stories.

Perhaps the manager was planning to, but after all these prodding, it can be a turn-off.

There will also be critics who will feel that giving Distin time on the pitch is at the expense of some other younger players out there.

So, itÂ’s a no-win situation really.

Perhaps, in a twist of the unexpected, Distin gets to start next week, gets subbed at the 60th min to a standing ovation, and we see a couple of young players on the pitch, all in the new kit.

That would be something, especially if we win and finish as high as we can (every place is worth a million or two, thatÂ’s the pressure though).

Alex Parr
5 Posted 16/05/2015 at 02:23:15
I think there are three factors at play here.

1) The need for momentum with keeping a winning, happy team together. Resisting the urge to make populist changes just for a whim.

2) The need to show faith in a strong team and yes I would say dismissing sentimentality. Rewarding good performances, loyalty, good form, etc.

3) The strength from the manager to be able to MANAGE the above. And react to ANY changes that need to be made.

From there, a decision could then be made to take a bit of leeway on such a Distin decision.

In my eyes, our Â’managerÂ’ fails on ALL OF THE ABOVE. He repeatedly shows cowardice in dropping out of form players, or bringing his favourites straight back in for players who have earned a chance (Robles / Garbutt / Mo Besic).

To me he shows a purely spiteful attitude to a good servant of this football club - if he felt he wasn't worth it, at least let US FANS make our mind up. We wouldn't boo him off, but I can see a few of our current favourites like Barry getting booed on the lap of honour, unfortunately.

One more point – Brad Friedel retires on the last game – I think and hope Spurs will give him the chance to play and receive a good send off, and rightly so. If WE had something to play for, I could forgive it. but we don't and thats down to the manager and the players that have played. A 10-15-20 minute cameo for Big Dis won't affect our season, a 10-15-20 minute substitution for any number of Roberto's faves this season may have.

Never mind what the RS will have planned for the slipper / nightclub thug / gobshite.

Give Syl the send off I say.

Conor McCourt
7 Posted 16/05/2015 at 02:39:24
Poor from Roberto. Distin has been a disaster this season both on and off the field and I have no doubt his comments last week will surely have led to a backlash.

But Roberto you are a man of class and integrity and you have immersed yourself in the history of our great club from the moment you walked in the door.

Sylvan has done as much for Everton over the last decade as anyone and you had time to acknowledge their over-rated gobshite when you could have batted the journalists question away, but you didn't showing your class to rise above the divide.

Show Sylvan that same courtesy next week – if not for him, not for the fans, but the players that are here and our potential suitors who will see how we reverberate class that sets us apart from the Chelseas of this world.

James Kirrane
8 Posted 16/05/2015 at 03:27:48
If this is true it is another sign of our ManagerÂ’s intransigence and stubborness. Such a shame as Distin has been a great servant to the club and should be given the opportunity to say goodbye.
Anto Byrne
9 Posted 16/05/2015 at 04:32:07
IÂ’m starting to dislike this manager more and more each day. Distin did fuck up big time in that semi-final with the Redshite but overall has been a good servant to the club. He should be going out on a high and getting to play the last 15 minutes.
David Barks
10 Posted 16/05/2015 at 04:59:12
This is a disgrace and shameful. If the chairman had any balls he would overrule his manager in public and insist that this is not the way Everton will be allowed to be run. The supporters deserve the chance to salute the player. Martinez really is an arrogant ass.
Matt Traynor
11 Posted 16/05/2015 at 05:34:22
WTF are we? Why should a player be included in a squad when weÂ’re trying to get 3 points (I hope) to say goodbye to the fans? Distin hasnÂ’t played for the 1st team in ages, so no way heÂ’s match fit.

And David #10, Kenwright already runs the club as a personal play thing, so your suggestion is not beyond the realms of possibility, despite being ridiculous in the extreme.

Peter Barry
12 Posted 16/05/2015 at 05:35:05
It seems there is a real petulant, nasty, vengeful streak in Martinez which is not a good personality attribute nor a managerial attribute either.
Robin Cannon
13 Posted 16/05/2015 at 05:45:11
If there was any real sign that Roberto actually was planning for next season then I might have some sympathy. But heÂ’s had several games now where thereÂ’s not been much to play for, and heÂ’s taken absolutely no opportunity to give any young players a chance or even tweaked the formation.

So, unless weÂ’re going to learn lots of new things about how Gareth Barry fits into the team, I donÂ’t expect to see a single thing that suggests heÂ’s genuinely looking to plan for next season, or that not giving Dustin a goodbye serves any purpose.

Mike Keating
14 Posted 16/05/2015 at 05:55:31
Selective memory from Martinez – It’s not about Stones taking the man’s place, it’s about Alcaraz getting the nod and sending Distin to play with the kids.
Denis Richardson
15 Posted 16/05/2015 at 06:05:01
Sorry but disagree with all the people saying that itÂ’s right not to play him due to Â’preparing for next seasonÂ’.

Martinez is not going to play him simply to prove a point. They obviously had a falling out and heÂ’s told Distin heÂ’s done. His actions are not those of a mature adult but of a petulant child.

Distin has been a solid servant of the club for 6 years (a shit load longer than Martinez has been here) and deserves a decent send off.

Bringing him on for the last 10 mins or so of a completely meaningless game at home to Spurs should not affect ’next seasons preparations’ in any way whatsoever. Whatever happened between them the manager should be man enough to let it go for one last goodbye. (I’m not saying drop Stones, just sub on Distin at the end – he could play a back three or at LB; Spurs are not going to give a fuck the last 10 mins of the season, they have nothing to play for.)

Also saying he was left out as stones was better does not explain why he played Alcaraz instead or why Alcaraz sat on the bench instead of Distin for many games.

Thought Martinez was a shit manager but at least a decent guy. Actually it looks like heÂ’s a shit manager and a complete prick too boot. I actually hope that there is some dressing room action to get rid of this idiot as BK is going to do f all.

Good luck, Sylvain; hope you squeeze out another year at Bournemouth.

William Cartwright
16 Posted 16/05/2015 at 05:59:37
Sorry, Roberto, you have messed this up. It was a wonderful opportunity to create some wonderful memories for a phenomenal player. Sylvan loved the Club and was loved by the fans and rightly so. Remember the Oviedo shoulder ride at Old Trafford...?

Perhaps you donÂ’t do phenomenal memories after all. Watch this space for future commentary regarding how a manager loses the dressing room in 90 minutes. A

ll the best, Sylvan – you deserve a good send off. I expect the Goodison faithful will give you one, even in your absence.

Nice respectful comments from Roberto regarding the BBCÂ’s love child Gerrard... Absolutely wonderful that was. Enough is enough...!

Peter McHugh
17 Posted 16/05/2015 at 06:18:22
GOOD. IÂ’m glad the manager has a stubborn non sentimental mentality.

Now to Distin - has been a good pro for 6 years for us and paid handsomely. I canÂ’t believe people are upset as heÂ’s getting no playing time. He can stay after the game and applaud the fans. ThereÂ’s his goodbye if youÂ’re arsed.

Oh and as to Distin who I like. Since heÂ’s been frozen out, he goes shopping with his kids on a Saturday. Now if a fan was Distin, would you go shopping? No, you would watch and support the team even if it meant buying your own ticket (God forbid a multi millionaire buying his own ticket).

I repeat, Distin doesnÂ’t do this; he goes shopping. So why are loads of people in outrage at the manager? IÂ’m astonished by peopleÂ’s reactions to this as opposed to MartinezÂ’s words.

Peter McHugh
18 Posted 16/05/2015 at 06:27:05
Oh yeah he deserves a goodbye???? WTF. Even of it has potential to cost us a win? Distin is not special heÂ’s just a solid pro. Get a grip.
Darryl Ritchie
19 Posted 16/05/2015 at 06:15:06
ThereÂ’s more to this than MartinezÂ’s stubbornness and SylvanÂ’s old age. Something happened or was said, during the last transfer window that got the managerÂ’s back up. This is more than Distin losing a step or two; he hasnÂ’t played since, I doubt heÂ’ll ever play for Everton again.

Both he and Alcaraz, who was a complete joke in the Ukraine and will also never play again (hopefully), are destined to become just another couple entries in the Everton encyclopedia.

Peter McHugh
20 Posted 16/05/2015 at 06:37:25
Peter 12 - yes I remember Alex Ferguson having that streak and he was a shit manager.
Brian Porter
21 Posted 16/05/2015 at 06:20:56
I'm totally disgusted to see Martinez displaying the spiteful, petty side of his personality so clearly. IÂ’ve suspected this side to his nature for some time; this just confirms it.

After all, did we ever receive a proper, plausible reason for Samuel EtoÂ’oÂ’s sudden departure after half a season...? No, and IÂ’ve always believed something happened between one of the giants of the modern game and our very junior manager. Did he also tell Sammy that he wouldnÂ’t be featured any more? I wonder.

I have a feeling that Sylvain DistinÂ’s 6 years at the club will be remembered with far more fondness than however long Martinez manages to cling on to his job. I firmly believe that this man is absolutely devoid of any real man-management skills. Instead of dealing with fall-outs or differences of opinion in a mature fashion, and then getting everyone back on board to work together for the cause, he simply throws his toys out of the pram, and thinks it shows how tough he is by wielding the axe and discarding any player who upsets him, not just fir a month or so to cool off, but permanently.

Distin should be given the chance to say goodbye to the fans, even if only as a five-minute sub. Few players in the modern game spend so long at one club and by disrespecting the loyalty Distin has shown to Everton FC, Martinez is demeaning the name of our club and all it pertains to stand for. The man is a 100% flim flam artist and a real shit to boot.

Stephen Brown
23 Posted 16/05/2015 at 06:19:44
Although not knowing the extent of any disagreement, this appears to be very petty!

Give the man 5 mins at the end.

Spragg Johnson
24 Posted 16/05/2015 at 07:15:56
Ermm ... Distin hardly sounds the most sincere or likeable fella (has everyone forgotten the Â’milkmanÂ’ story?) ...something has obviously happened to sour his relationship with his boss. His boss has the right to decide on how to lead the club ... And who to pick. Thanks for the memories big man (except that one at Wembley). All the best ... Bye bye. Shit happens.
Ian Jones
25 Posted 16/05/2015 at 07:22:19
I am not sure if the club as a whole can win here. Difficult situation trying to please everyone.

Although itÂ’s a shame that Distin looks to be heading away from the club in this manner, I am sure heÂ’s not the first and wonÂ’t be the last. HeÂ’s been a great player at times for us and served us well. HeÂ’s 37 years old.

Agreed that heÂ’s probably better than Alcaraz in many ways and so could have been on the bench but feel certain many would have complained if he was sitting on the bench instead of a younger player.

I wish him well and as mentioned above the fans can hopefully send him off in the lap of honour, if heÂ’s not busy shopping. HadnÂ’t heard that before.

Jim Bennings
26 Posted 16/05/2015 at 07:45:55
All these people saying playing Distin will cost us a win?

How many friggin goals as John Stones cost us trying to walk the ball out of defence?? Ohh sorry heÂ’s young and beyond criticism, because every young player is potentially better than Messi in Evertonian eyeÂ’s.

Fucking hell how can Martinez talk about the future when he has played a poorly performing 35 year old goalkeeper all season and a 34 lumbering defensive midfielder, add to his recent comments about a injury addled 33 year old Pienaar being "fit and ready for next season"

Sorry Roberto but it just doesnÂ’t cutwith us intelligent Blues, we can see exactly what your doing and we know Distin has upset you big time by either fucking you over with that refusal of the West Ham transfer or telling you where to go with your dour training practice snail paced style of walking football.

IÂ’m not usually one for outspoken playerÂ’s, but on this occasion I understand exactly that to give Martinez a wake up call somebody needed to say something.

How ironic it would be if the Spurs game is lost by another balls-up from Stones or Jags, no doubt everyone will come out then and start questioning the decision.

Phil Walling
27 Posted 16/05/2015 at 07:50:28
Whilst the battle for 10th must be uppermost in the managerÂ’s mind - he gets no bonus if we donÂ’t reach that heady height - surely SylvanÂ’s six years service justifies a cameo farewell !

Martinez is proving his Wigan reputation as a closed minded, stubborn and spiteful man was well founded. DonÂ’t say I didnÂ’t...........

Stephen Brown
29 Posted 16/05/2015 at 08:03:01
On the subject of farewells I cannot watch sky sports today! IÂ’ve only been up an hour and all I have seen is captain marvel on every channel! Yawn!!

Distin surely deserves a 5 minute cameo and as Jim #25 says blaming it on planning for next season does insult our intelligence! If their relationship is beyond repair just say that ! Managers are becoming a bit like politicians, you donÂ’t really believe anything they say! If we are really planning for next season we should surely be giving the likes of Galloway, Browning, Ledson etc a run ?! Does it really matter if we come 9th, 10th or 11th ???

Jim Bennings
30 Posted 16/05/2015 at 08:11:13
Stephen

ThatÂ’s just it, he hasnÂ’t once planned for the future, Browning has not seen the light of day since a late cameo at Anfield and Old Trafford, none of the others are close to the first team.
He then has a chance of blooding in for the remainder of the season our young keeper Robles but doesnÂ’t reward good form by dropping him for 35 year old Howard.

It seems with Martinez, the word future always crops up when the team is struggling, itÂ’s a way out, an excuse, Atsu not hit the ground running?? DonÂ’t worry heÂ’ll catch fire in the future and be better than Robben and Ribery in RobertoÂ’s eyeÂ’s.

Its blatantly obvious giving Distin a late cameo wouldnÂ’t have done any damage, itÂ’s quite simply stubborn and showing that he holds a grudge.

Trevor Peers
31 Posted 16/05/2015 at 08:04:13
No doubt the awful truth will come out when Distin finally leaves. Must of been something about the tactics employed around January.
Or a personality clash, nothing new there then, it happens quite often in football. ItÂ’s just a great shame for Distin after years of good service from him. Good luck for the future.
Oliver Molloy
33 Posted 16/05/2015 at 08:49:04
Jim @ 30.

I like Distin, but we donÂ’t know what has gone on.
It looks like whatever happened between the two of them Martinez didnÂ’t like it, otherwise I have no doubt that he would have had the opportunity to say goodbye to Goodison.

Gavin McGarvey
34 Posted 16/05/2015 at 09:13:46
This doesnÂ’t sit right with me. Obviously RM is being somewhat less than candid but thatÂ’s fair enough. He canÂ’t be expected to wash all the dirty linen in public. To that end he would have been better off giving Distin his last 5 minutes as there would be less paper talk, and less speculation about dressing room disharmony.

As for people talking about him being unsentimental, I would argue this shows the opposite. If he was neutral on the matter he would let it happen, the fact he isnÂ’t is presumably either a message to the other players, to try and show them whoÂ’s boss, or itÂ’s purely personal. Depending on what went on behind closed doors, we canÂ’t say whether this is appropriate. It does however reinforce the view that Martinez is a bit less than truthful with the fans, and nobody likes being treated like idiots.

Eddie Dunn
35 Posted 16/05/2015 at 09:11:31
Distin has been a good player for us and I think he will be fondly remembered by all.
I was talking months ago about a lack of trust between Roberto and the players, and it seems that the manager has isolated who he thinks are the problem personalities.
Eto was allowed to leave, and Distin was offered a way out in January.
Who knows what went on, but it happened and the boss is in charge.
Imagine what a twat Martinez would feel as Distin comes on to a standing ovation. The sentimental side of the crowd would give the player such a reception that would undermine the authority of the manager.
RobertoÂ’s problem is that in public, he wants to be liked, but the job is difficult, and you canÂ’t please everyone.
He has to be ruthless, and back his decisions to the hilt.
If I was Roberto, and a player challenged my authority, then I would do the same.
Many players leave a club in the close-season, or (in the olden days, on a Wednesday night after a game) and didnÂ’t get a send off.

Distin seems a nice guy, and has served us well, but he probably never as to work again, and he will , no doubt return to Goodison one day, either with his new club, or as a visitor, and we can all say thankyou then.

Eugene Ruane
36 Posted 16/05/2015 at 09:21:16
3 points is all that matters to me - all this other stuff is just distraction.

Decent player Distin but no legend and if he doesnÂ’t get his little goodbye wave - tough (you can send him a thank you letter if it means that much).

We need to toughen up imo, think more about ourselves and what WE deserve.

More Private Frazer, less Private Godfrey.

Joe Foster
37 Posted 16/05/2015 at 09:40:44
As mentioned above the word future is just used as an excuse by RM. This man obviously holds grudges and is not mature enough to let it go.
Ian McDowell
38 Posted 16/05/2015 at 09:50:38
IÂ’m still finding it hard to forgive him for playing Alcatraz ahead of Distin in Kiev. IÂ’m not saying it would of made all the difference but surely we would of dealt with the long balls in to our penalty box better. Felt really sorry for the fans who made the long journey that evening.
Geoff Evans
39 Posted 16/05/2015 at 09:52:38
Recently read the Shankly book where he said that after leaving Liverpool he was treated with the greatest of respect by both our club and supporters much more so than he was by the club heÂ’d served.

He used the word class. Interesting to see how the present regime handle the Distin situation.

Geoff Evans
41 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:15:31
If what IÂ’ve read is true at the end of the game the supporters should chant for Distin to show what the think of the manager.
Aidy Dews
42 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:12:27
Its true, Distin is knocking on and we couldnÂ’t hold Stones back and someone had to be the fall guy and it wasnÂ’t going to be Jags was it. its a shame its come to this but the least Martinez could do was involve him in the squad, have him on the bench and give him the last 5 mins and put aside any personal issues.

I agree with Martinez that we have to look forward with the team but why arenÂ’t we giving other youngsters a game ahead of next season to see if there ready or not? Players like Joel & Besic are obviously ready but should be getting game time, the likes of Browning, Galloway & Ledson should be in and around the squad now imo, especially when these last few games are meaningless!

James Marshall
43 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:19:24
ItÂ’s a weird one - I always liked and still like Distin, but when you look at the way managers like Ferguson and Clough dealt with Â’problemÂ’ players, you have to say the hard-line is the right line.

Geoff Evans
44 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:22:16
Aidy

Martinez uses any lame excuse he can to suit the situation. Look back at the season and just see the drivvle and shite heÂ’s come out with.
If he was planning for the future he wouldnÂ’t have handed out as many pension plans as he has.

Kevin Tully
45 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:25:46
Funny one this. A few weeks ago, I seem to remember most of the posters above calling the manager out for being a Â’soft touch.Â’ In fact, many posters were saying it was the players who were dictating tactics, ignoring anything he had to say etc...and the manager was too nice.

Now heÂ’s shown he wonÂ’t be dictated to, heÂ’s Â’disgraceful, nasty, petulantÂ’ - take your pick.

How do you know it wasnÂ’t the likes of Distin and EtoÂ’o who were responsible for obvious problems within the camp around Christmas? Does he still deserve his send off if he was complicit in causing all the the disruption?

If Martinez had dropped Stones to give Distin his last game, the very same posters above would slaughter him for being a sentimental Catalonian clown if we had lost no doubt.

Martinez has been awful this season, so please donÂ’t think this post is a defence of his performance. But, every single thread is becoming a joke on this site right now - just look at the West Ham preview.

Phil Sammon
46 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:41:47
Distinct didnÂ’t go from being an important first team player, to not worthy of being on the bench, overnight. I donÂ’t have a problem with Martinez dropping players...but Distin wasnÂ’t afforded the luxury doled out to Howard, Barry and even Jags at the start of the season.
Bobby Thomas
47 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:46:40
Martinez is basically laying the law.

He has to manage this group of players going forward & he has decided this example needs setting. The manager needs total authority.

If Distin had been playing well in the first place the whole thing wouldnÂ’t have happened. Although we were woefully disorganised early doors this season.

Overall Distins been very good for us. Dedicated, professional & largely consistent. HeÂ’s looked after himself & should play on.

Geoff Evans
48 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:51:15
Whatever has gone on before this is an Everton player being denied a ten minute cameo... oh sorry, forgot about the future and the great impact this would have on it.
Peter McHugh
49 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:58:43
Geoff give him a wave, hold a placard saying you love him at the end of the match when all the away walk around thanking the fans for their support this season....... Oh hold on Distin will at Cheshire Oaks
Geoff Evans
50 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:03:05
Peter

ItÂ’s about class and respect some have it, some donÂ’t.

Tony Abrahams
51 Posted 16/05/2015 at 10:42:56
Some good opinions both for and against playing Distin.

My own opinion is that Martinez won, he froze out Distin and he wonÂ’t be offering him a new contract. Think he would have shown himself to be the bigger man by giving him a subs shirt next week, but we donÂ’t know whatÂ’s gone on.

Geoff 41, this could possibly happen, but IÂ’m not sure many people will be staying behind for a lap of honour next week, even if the players have the temerity to attempt one

Jim Bennings
52 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:06:22
Bobby

Distin wasnÂ’t the only one who was disorganized and out of form early in the season, Jagielka was in some of the worst form of his Everton career for a while back then.

ItÂ’s improved slightly since Jagielka was paired with Stones but they still donÂ’t look like a truly safe partnership, just two clean sheets away from home all season when your under most pressure suggests that.

Stones will always concede self destruct goals and thatÂ’s due to Martinez wanting this possession at all costs mentality, whereas Jags will boom then a bit more when needed because heÂ’s still old school.

If you go through the amount of self inflicted goals this season youÂ’ll see what IÂ’m talking about.

ThatÂ’s not Distin...itÂ’s Martinez and his rigid beliefs.

John Daley
53 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:04:05
"Must of been something about the tactics employed around January."

Why must it be? There are no other possible explanations? Nothing to do with DistinÂ’s January move to West Ham breaking down over the length of contract offered then?

ItÂ’s not like heÂ’s banned from the ground or been told to steer clear on a match day. He can still come onto the pitch at the end of the game and go on the walkabout with the rest of the squad. He doesnÂ’t need a token sub appearance and a standing ovation. Yes, heÂ’s been a decent player overall but I donÂ’t see the sudden need for every departing player to be treated as though theyÂ’re a club legend.

John Daley
54 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:18:13
Geoff,

ItÂ’s not class, itÂ’s cloying sentimentality. Also something of a steep about turn considering the amount of people who were calling for Distin to be uncerimonously dumped earlier in the season. His stock has seemingly gone through the roof during his abscence from the first team and IÂ’d wager, for most, itÂ’s nothing to do with his playing ability or years of good Â’serviceÂ’. Rather, itÂ’s to do with the simple fact that he appears to be at odds with a manager many deem to be an idiot and backing Distin, purely on that basis, is just another way to take a pop at the balloon.

Gavin Johnson
55 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:17:07
I accept MartinezÂ’s explanation on this. WeÂ’re looking towards the future and I can understand his reluctance to play Distin, especially after giving interviews in France and dropping cryptic tweets on Twitter.

ThereÂ’s an argument that Martinez could be the bigger man in this, but I like it that heÂ’s capable of being ruthless, like any top manager will be. Do you think Fergie would have played Jaap Stamp, McGrath or any of the other players he no longer wanted in the side in a similar situation.

Distin isnÂ’t in the league of a Cahill, or Duncan Ferguson and isnÂ’t a club legend. HeÂ’s been a solid defender who did okay on the whole. Personally IÂ’ll always remember him for his social media activities and that back pass against the RS.

Gavin Johnson
56 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:37:37
John Daley #54 youÂ’ve hit the nail on the head in the words I couldnÂ’t find.
Conor McCourt
57 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:42:19
I disagree with John. Roberto was right to dump in from the team, right to play Alcaraz ahead of him Kiev as he had a few good games in Stones absence and had Distin played he would have been woeful as he was in every game this season with his only decent one coming against City.

People using football reasons as a motive are wrong because Jags was just as culpable in Kiev. No we are renowned for being a proper club who treat our players in the proper way. Why some players choose us over Spurs etc is due to what the club represents, our history and the values we strive for. Roberto has absorbed this from day one, he should do so with Sylvan.

Peter Barry
58 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:47:54
Peter McHugh #20 Please tell me that you are not comparing Roberto to Sir Alex Whiskey nose that would be just preposterous.
Michael Winstanley
59 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:45:56
Distin isnÂ’t good enough for a first team spot, what else is there to talk about?

Geoff Evans
60 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:58:59
John

Why would anyone need an excuse to have a pop at a balloon that comes out with the sticky grass comment.

Harold Matthews
61 Posted 16/05/2015 at 11:57:25
Jim #26. Yes, weÂ’re always at odds, usually about Mr Martinez, but youÂ’ve well and truly nailed it with the Evertonian untouchable young player syndrome.
Jamie Crowley
62 Posted 16/05/2015 at 12:15:34
Hear! Hear! Kevin Tully @45 and John Daley @54!
John Daley
63 Posted 16/05/2015 at 12:05:43
Geoff,

I know, I know, but I did say an excuse for Â’anotherÂ’ pop.

HereÂ’s the thing I find unpalatable. Many people now claiming it to be a disgrace the way Distin has been treated are the same people who have been advocating for Baines (probably, our best player over the past five years and someone who couldÂ’ve shot off to Old Trafford if he actively pushed for the move) to be binned off to make way for Garbutt. In that instance we hear heÂ’s not the player he once was, his best days are behind him (at 31), that the manager has to be ruthless, that thereÂ’s no room for sentimentality in football, once a player has outlived his usefulness he hould be dispensed with. WhereÂ’s the loyalty and respect for past service there? Then they kick off that Distin, a player much less deserving, a player much older, much less capable, a player who has had vocal arguments and run inÂ’s with the fans during his time here, isnÂ’t going to be given some glorious send off like Maximus in Gladiator: "He was a soldier of Goodison. Who will help me carry him?".

How do you reconcile one with the other because I canÂ’t?

Jamie Barlow
65 Posted 16/05/2015 at 12:22:13
Spot on Michael@59.

Distin doesnÂ’t deserve fuck all.

Dave Abrahams
66 Posted 16/05/2015 at 12:21:09
It wouldnÂ’t have done anyone any harm if Distin came on for the last few minutes so that those who wanted to, could show their appreciation for a good player who served Everton well.

I wonÂ’t be staying for the absolutely cheeky "lap of honour" but would have liked to give Distin a clap and a cheer, itÂ’s no big deal and very petty on MartinezÂ’s part but I wonÂ’t lose any sleep over it.

Geoff Evans
68 Posted 16/05/2015 at 12:25:31
John

I donÂ’t want a day of mourning. IÂ’m only suggesting a 10-minute cameo, I believe this would be mutually good for both the good name of Everton and the memories the player would take away with him.

Not to afford this gesture would just be downright churlish and petty minded.

Tony Marsh
69 Posted 16/05/2015 at 12:40:40
Boo hoo... big deal. So a player who has been crap for two years isnÂ’t allowed a lap of honour, so what. 㿞k a week should ease the pain.

DIstin was average at best but I never forgave him for handing the semi-final to the Redshite a few years ago!!!

Allan Board
70 Posted 16/05/2015 at 12:24:26
Irony works in wonderful ways you know fellas. I hope Martinez acts a little more maturely and allows a "trot out" for Buzz. However, if he behaves like he has done all season (gibbering nonsense), then thereÂ’s no chance. The irony will be when he gets sacked and is ushered out the back door without a send off.

And thanks, Mr Pretentious, for rendering the last 10 months a complete and utter waste of time and destroying a decent team which HAD a good work ethic and team spirit. Of genius proportions thatÂ’s taken.

Jim Lloyd
71 Posted 16/05/2015 at 12:30:30
Some good points both for and against giving Distin a "cameo send off". I originally thought Roberto was being a bit harsh towards Distin who has been a good player for us but some posts on here have been excellent in reasoning why he shouldnÂ’t.

I hear that there are rumours of a row between Distin and Roberto. Whether thereÂ’s any truth in them or not, I donÂ’t know... but certainly, football-wise, Distin had been making plenty of poor decisions and I think Martinez was right to play Stones when he was fit and Alcaraz when he wasnÂ’t. Certainly in the Kiev match, Alcaraz deserved a place as heÂ’d been one of our best players in the last home match. I also think that, during that game, Jagielka and Howard between them lost us 3 goals.

If it is due to spite that Roberto will not have him as a sub, then IÂ’d believe heÂ’s less of a man than I originally thought. I donÂ’t believe it is spite though. If we lose a match because of sentimental reasons, then how much does that cost the club if we drop a place or two in the league? That could be valuable funds to help buy desperately needed players. It would also bring the screaming harpies out to tear more flesh off RMÂ’s hide.

About the argument as to whether players should be given a send-off or not. Well, on the one hand, should all players who have served five years or so get a send-off? They get a load of cash for doing a job they enjoy.

We still give players testimonials for playing with the club for 10 years. I know a lot of it goes to charities but the player is being acknowledged for his "services to the club." So why not acknowledge a player who has served 6 years or 5 or 4 but where is the line drawn?

IÂ’d like to see the fans given a chance to wish him well for services rendered and bon voyage. But I donÂ’t see why it canÂ’t be at the end of the last home match, along with the other Everton players.

Seb Niemand
72 Posted 16/05/2015 at 13:35:06
Zero class from Martinez. Hopeless manager and a shabby, disgraceful man.
Ian Hollingworth
74 Posted 16/05/2015 at 13:49:37
Makes me laugh all this from a club who allowed Man Utd's manager to pick the team for a couple of games and have a big send off. We really do not help ourselves.

Pity we are not discussing RobertoÂ’s send-off.

Jamie Barlow
75 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:09:34
WhatÂ’s all this "no class" bullshit?

No one on here knows whatÂ’s gone on so how do you know Martinez is lacking class by what heÂ’s doing?

Distin has been a big bag of shite when heÂ’s played so was dropped. Maybe he started acting like a big girl and caused unrest.

He has been a good player for us but thatÂ’s it. He doesnÂ’t deserve anything special. Give him the same send off as the others underachievers get. Politely clap him at the end of the Spurs match, or tweet him.

Jay Harris
76 Posted 16/05/2015 at 13:49:33
It seems to me that a number of players do not agree with the Martinez way Baines, Osman, Lukaku, Mirallas, Eto'o and Distin to name a few.

He seems too keen to eliminate the Moyes method of training and preparation and this for me sums up his pettiness and stubbornness far more than his spat with Distin.

Any manager falling out with players is never good for the club especially senior players like Distin who are held in high regard by their teammates.

I can't think of a single player who has improved his game since Martinez came but there are quite a few who are playing worse.

Dignity and class are not qualities I would associate with this clown.

Peter McHugh
77 Posted 16/05/2015 at 14:28:56
Peter 58 - of course not.
Darren Hind
78 Posted 16/05/2015 at 12:02:34
I love the way people have started to portray Martinez as a tough guy. Why don't you guys Just read what both parties have said.

We KNOW Martinez brought Distin back in the team as soon as he got back from France, so where did this "hard line approach" from Martinez come from?

Distin was not dropped, he lost his place through injury... that's a fact.

Martinez may not have called him back to the squad but Distin himself has told us the two have not spoken since his injury. Freezing a player out is hardly the same as sitting down and telling a player to his face he is dropped. That takes courage. ... Think Martinez has that sort of courage? Don't make me laugh. He couldn't even tell Barry or Howard they were benched when they were performing at a lower level than any of their counterparts in the Premier League... and we paid the consequences.

Those bleating about this thread being used as another opportunity to beat Martinez with would do well to stick to the facts, instead of using it as another excuse to give him unwarranted praise. Ask yourself why you are claiming he took a hard line when you have nothing to substantiate it.

Colin Malone
79 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:28:03
Jim Benning @ 52.

They where disorganised because of the tippy tappy football at the back. Distin voiced his concerns and was dropped. Distin was right.

John Daley
80 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:37:03
Go on Darren. I love it when you give it the whole Â’just the facts JackÂ’ bit, but proceed to massage them yourself.

"Distin himself has told us the two have not spoken since his injury."

What he actually said was that they have not spoken since Feb 2nd, the day they met to discuss DistinÂ’s proposed move to West Ham.

Whether he initially lost his place through injury is neither here or there. ItÂ’s just semantics. The only fact that counts is heÂ’s been left out of every Premier League squad the manager has named since the New Year. The message is pretty clear. The only way Distin could have been dropped harder is if big Nev jumped on his back and insisted he use his massive arsed mammoth pants as a makeshift parachute on his plummet down to the ground.

Gavin Johnson
81 Posted 16/05/2015 at 15:53:47
Distin, isnÂ’t as good as Jags/Stones. ItÂ’s as simple as that. Martinez is the manager and can pick who he wants.

ThereÂ’s more to be gained from giving Galloway a game and some valuable first team experience.

Let Distin come on at the end of the last game for the players lap so he can wave ta-rah.

James Stewart
82 Posted 16/05/2015 at 16:16:24
@14 Spot on.

Would prefer to see Martinez getting a send off.

Chris Leyland
83 Posted 16/05/2015 at 17:00:30
I IÂ’ve heard that the Â’milkmanÂ’ may have been delivering his full topped cream to another playerÂ’s Mrs and this is the reason behind his exclusion from the squad.
Peter Laing
84 Posted 16/05/2015 at 18:02:25
Two bad apples turning the barrel rotten, EtoÂ’o bombed out to Sampdoria and Distin cast into the wilderness. Martinez needed to show his authority and both players due to their attitudes where shown the door.
Ian Riley
85 Posted 16/05/2015 at 19:13:02
Need to focus on next season, just like this one. Please show a little class and bring him on as a sub. Distin has served the club well as a professional. Everton FC donÂ’t, act in this manner!

I think Distin will be letting us know what has gone on very soon!

Martin Mason
86 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:25:35
Martinez has no respect whatsoever, he is not an EFC manager, weÂ’re bigger than this incompetent lunatic.
Jay Wood
87 Posted 16/05/2015 at 21:32:10
Who said this about Sylvain?

"IÂ’m proud to have a player like Sylvain Distin representing Everton because he has got incredible standards. Football gives you the reward that you put in as a professional. When you get in a situation like SylvainÂ’s, itÂ’s not the manager making decisions, itÂ’s football. Sylvain has been an incredible performer this season."

Roberto Martinez, December 2013, when Distin was a lynchpin in EvertonÂ’s defence during a 10 game unbeaten run.

RM has appreciated his contribution to the club, as have the fans. IÂ’m sure SD will get an appreciative reception should he appear in the traditional final game walkabout, whether booted and suited, or in full match day kit.

Ron Sear
88 Posted 16/05/2015 at 22:56:00
Look at it this way if you want to be hard headed about your team. Losing next week due to subbing a player on sentimental grounds could in the worst case drop us into thirteenth final place in the table. Cost to the club? 2.4 Million Pounds. Send the guy a nice thank you card, its a lot cheaper.
Paul Tran
89 Posted 17/05/2015 at 11:54:40
When he plays players out of form, itÂ’s because heÂ’s weak.

When he banishes poor performing players allegedly stirring up the dressing room, itÂ’s because heÂ’s weak.

When he doesnÂ’t offer a massive improved contract to a promising third choice left back, itÂ’s because heÂ’s weak.

When the team wins games, itÂ’s despite him.

When the team loses, its because of him.

He has no plan B, but plans C to Z are rubbish anyway.

All his purchases have been dreadful, except for the ones that werenÂ’t, when they were down to luck.

He wants us to play dull, aimless football - heÂ’s never said it, but I know thatÂ’s what he wants - fact!

HeÂ’s the worst manager weÂ’ve ever had, except for Walker, Smith, Kendall 2&3.

He actually left a smaller club to join us – isn’t that disgraceful? No manger’s ever done that before.

CanÂ’t wait for more gems next season.....when heÂ’s still here!

Martin O'Sullivan
90 Posted 17/05/2015 at 14:17:54
If I was Distin, I would show up 2 mins before the final whistle and soak up the applause from the crowd and also listen to the chants against Bobby!!! I don't think weÂ’ve had a more disliked manager!!!!
Sean Patton
91 Posted 17/05/2015 at 14:52:20
Personally think it is strong management from Martinez here similar to yesterday with Garbutt when he picked Galloway instead, don't mess with the guy in charge. As Tony eludes to, it is just Distin leaving – not Brian Labone.
Abhishek Saha
93 Posted 18/05/2015 at 03:25:03
I had always been IMWT. Irrespective of how the season has fared, I had always believed that we have a good manager in Martinez.

But if this is his plans for Distin, then this is the turning point for me for not having any respect or faith in him. What motivation will be for folks like Stones, Baines, Barkley to put the club above everything else and pledge their playing careers to just one club.

Probably Martinez will not be there when they play their last games for Everton, but the club management will hopefully be the same. So if they donÂ’t intervene now, then will do so in the future?

David Ellis
94 Posted 18/05/2015 at 11:44:10
Martin OÂ’Sullivan #90 - you think weÂ’ve never had a more unpopular manager...how many managers have you lived through? TheyÂ’re all pretty unpopular in the end if they hang around too long.

Moyes, Walker, Gordon Lee, Walter Smith... all hugely unpopular by the time they left. Joe Royle left too soon to become unpopular and HK Mark 1 left at the height of his success. Even Catterick was unpopular!

Eddie Dunn
95 Posted 18/05/2015 at 13:42:07
Darren 78, you may well be right as I have said months ago that my cast-iron source told me that the players donÂ’t trust the manager and think he is two-faced.
Martinez is full of verbosity, and I donÂ’t see him as a Nigel Pearson type, who will just stand there and tell it like it is.
Roberto seems nice on the outside, but his style is to say nice things, but behind the scene do what he wants.
ItÂ’s his way.
Distin crossed him, and he is paying the price- at least Martinez has rules, and it seems that he sticks to them.
Pete Edwards
96 Posted 18/05/2015 at 13:59:44
Paul, brilliant stuff!

Abishek, since when has Distin been at Everton all his career or since when has he been an Evertonian?? Same goes for Baines and Stones, now correct me if IÂ’m wrong but both were bought form other clubs!!

Tim Muzio
97 Posted 18/05/2015 at 14:03:06
Its been a tough old year for Bobby M and his men and I think the troublemakers are/have been dealt with. If you donÂ’t like what is being done by the team then leave. Its the same for any job you work in, if its that bad then go find a better job but the grass is definitely not greener. A top manager in any job will make it clear of his direction to his team and inner circle and what happens to the outside world he will say differently. He will do what he can to protect his team, diffuse any situation behind closed doors. I have never seen Martinez publicly hang any of his team out to dry and it appears if you disagree with Mr Martinez you will be dealt with. He suffers no egos and well played to him -its his team and his job and the minute he lets anyone under qualified tell him what to do he will beat them down. Who do Distin,Mirallas,Baines or anyone else think they are acting out and kicking out - come to work do your job and respect your colleagues. If you donÂ’t do your job then fully expect to be dealt with the consequences. In some appraisal type scenario (in this case, I fully expect Martinez knows who he will clear out). Respect the bossman, show some effort or look for another job thatÂ’s how the real world works. Martinez is no clown and was clearly told that he had inherited some egotistical idiots and that they need dealing with. It really is that simple. Martinez is trying to make his mark on a club that had Iron Moyes in charge where there was no freedom to express yourself, remember that? Martinez is now breaking down these foundations of the old regime and it will take time. No manager coming in given the resources he is given will get an easy ride. Well played Martinez, give it to someone who deserves it, Distin you burnt that bridge now deal with it.
Dave Abrahams
98 Posted 18/05/2015 at 14:45:33
Tim ( 97 ). Tim Martinez dealt brilliantly with Robles, dropped him after three clean sheets for the egotistical idiot Howard, the manager is not as strong as you are trying to make out.
Nigel Gregson
99 Posted 18/05/2015 at 14:52:25
Paul Tran #89. That is the best summary and the most intelligent post I have read on ToffeeWeb all year. IÂ’m glad there are some people still left on this site with some perspective.
James Stewart
100 Posted 18/05/2015 at 14:59:20
(98) Add the Browning fiasco to that as well. Kid plays well in the derby and against United and Martinez announces he is ready for the first team. Not seen since. He played Alcaraz instead and even Atsu in our most important game of the season in Kiev and got the humiliation he deserved.

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