Valencia's legal bother ventures into farce

It would appear that many footballers would rather give crazy money to the bookies, than for more essential cause. If the players stopped gambling huge sums of easy acquired money, then maybe they could concentrate more on their game and pleasing the fans.

There must be plenty of scenarios where a player is worrying more about the result of the 3:30 at Cheltenham, than the match he is involved in and half-time can't come quick enough for him to check the result.

If you owe, pay up!

Any man who doesn't look after his own children is a piece of garbage.

NSNO? Yeah right.

Every story has two sides admittedly but $17k is fuck-all on a Premier League salary. That's about two days work for him.

These so-called athletes are so far off? This planet we call Earth that normality does not apply to them. Paying Bills, shopping, domestic chores, cooking, anything that a normal person has to do, these mostly average under performing 'stars' never have to deal with. They literally do not live in the same Universe as ordinary people.

Why do we get the dubious ones? What's the bet that he is not allowed to leave Ecuador and we still have to pay his wages?

Ever given any thought to a player's lack or dip form... and the probable cause?

I know not every player, but a large number regularly do their bollox on the nags or whatnot. Look at Gillespie (ex Newcastle Utd and Man Utd), lost millions and admitted it.

Gasgoigne, Merson etc.... god knows how many others on a regular basis are punting large sums that you and I could probably never sniff. Barton is under enquiry.

I don't mind having a bet but I am sure that, if I was a player and doing large sums, I have no doubt it would affect my form.

It seems the only people who are not affected by a player's form are bookies and agents!

Ferguson and Gibbo were each convicted of a crime. Valencia's is an alleged debt owed however, so is civil in nature and not necessarily criminal. So, Dick Fearon, I guess I would ask what is it with the "native" players and mention glass houses and stones and all that.

I agree a player should pay for his children but how much has he paid? What are the orders for support? Is this a private agreement or a governmental agency order such as what we have here in the USA? Maybe we should wait for the facts before shipping out the player.

Let's hear the other side of the story.

My answer is Goodison Park for Ferguson.... Why? If you don't know, it don't matter.

And also did Ferguson and/or Gibbo left their kids uncared for?
And again, did you not see the "if this is true" in my comment?

My brief comment merely illuminated some problems we have had with a number but not all of our imports.

Per Krøldrup and Niasse were among others that came with problems that should have been detected in a cursory pre-signing check. Best/worst of all was Andy van der Meyde.

Ferguson provided some physical backbone during a period when such was badly lacking.

'a number but not all of our imports.'

How magnanimous of you to concede that not ALL of our imports have disgraced the badge.

You've named three there, Dick. We've had dozens upon dozens of great foreign imports over the years. I trust you don't want to mention the home-grown players who went on to cast shadows over their names. Jose Baxter, Michael Branch...

What an obscure comment.

So, if he scores goals, earns red cards, gets in fights, and owes money to people then he is okay? Well well, quite the roadmap for young Valencia to follow then to absolution.

By the way, Valencia supposedly owes money to his child, and if true , is not good, but are you judging his character as so flawed on that basis that he must be gotten rid of?

If so, Ferguson owed someone money too and somehow this, on top of his other issues, is okay and he should be working for Everton? I am sorry, but I don't understand your basis for different treatment of the two.

That's like comparing a guy you've been close friends with for over twenty years to another fella who has just recently arrived here, on holiday, that you happen to have said "Alright?" to a couple of times on the street.

Of course you're going to feel a greater sense of loyalty and a more natural urge to offer support to one of those two. Nothing to do with where they come from or how their character might happen to compare.

I can't help but think that some people like to refuse to understand something that they do understand.

To further the debate, to me, people who don't care for their own parents and/or child(ren) are worse than people who drink-drive (of course, if drink-drive and kill, it's another matter).

Yes, failing to pay child support, especially as a well-paid high-profile sportsman, is bad. But nobody in this thread, absolutely NOBODY, knows beyond the headline to this story the finer details.

It may well be he is dodging his responsibilities. It is equally plausible there is a more mundane explanation and he is not (as) guilty as some wish to charge.

The self-righteous indignation some claim at times with stories like this, without knowing any of the details, can be quite nauseous. As Brian Williams pens, "Let he who is without sin..." and all that.

Oh! And there was a Keystone Cops moment when Valencia was substituted on 82 minutes and, whilst wearing an oxygen mask and being driven away on a buggy to a waiting ambulance, he was pursued by a number of police in full riot gear.

Link

Valencia's agent reports the arrest warrant has now been dropped.

And speechless is an understatement.

Ship him back ...

So now you are the great moralist viewpoint on here? Sorry, but legally, a person owes to their family members what the law says. End of. Your viewpoint on morals imposes what you think is owed. So if a drunk beats his children but does provide food and clothing and shelter he is okay? Ridiculous.

But let us not stop there Daniel, because now you give a view on the morality of drinking and driving, a legal crime versus your view of Valencia's alleged moral crime. You pardon Ferguson's offenses since he only assaulted four people but did not kill them and only owes money to someone not related to him, as well as and Gibbo too, since no one (except the petrol pump) died. How very enlightened of you.

Clutching at straws, you now proceed to adopt John's thoughts that if you knew someone longer or had a special link to them, then you can side with them, no matter what they may have done. This not having been part of your original construct, I will then assume this is a tacit admission that you have no real valid argument in support of your position. I am not trying to deliberately misunderstand you, which is why I asked what your basis for your disparate opinions on the two men are.

Meanwhile, your "you will not and /or cannot understand" statement aside, I am still waiting for you to answer the question posed. We have the rest of the international break so take your time okay?

You trying to close this place down, Brian?

"This is like something out of a Benny Hill script...

Everton forward Enner Valencia is pursued by police in Ecuador after leaving the field injured during a match against Chile, the officers wanted to speak to the striker about alleged unpaid alimony."

We do pick 'em don't we!

Regardless of whether he has any case to answer, it really is embarrassing to our club. It certainly doesn't bode well for him settling in and showing us his best form.

I bet they keep sacks of stones handy in case a married woman in their locale is found to be unfaithful!

Rotten luck!

"Clutching at straw... If you knew someone longer you side with them..."

I think it is quite pointless to discuss anything between you and me. We probably live in a different world. You should just ignore my message and I ignore yours...

I'm still laughing... and I still don't know whether or not he was accosted, and if not, how does he plan on returning to England? As a stowaway on a banana boat? Surely the airports will be watched!

What a farce... we're loving it down here in South America... thank God we can still send him back to West Ham... if he makes it back to England at all!!

It wouldn't surprise me if this is true. Footballers are a breed alone. ("Yeah, but some are fine chaps, give to charity, let tramps sleep in their gaffs, blah, blah blah".)

Martinez seemed to favour ANYBODY who had played for him previously – good or bad – although I firmly believe he had NEVER seen either Funes Mori or Niasse in action and bought them both off YouTube!

Koeman has bought/borrowed some right stinkers in his career so perhaps all these super agents expect managers to sign their share of 'bad boys' as a condition of getting real quality directed their way.

A good policy seems to be to avoid anyone who has ever played in Russia!

Daniel, I certainly hope you don't work in the judiciary or the police? You appear to have judged him to be guilty based upon evidence provided on websites and a video. The press don't always tell the truth and rarely the full story, as everyone on Merseyside is more than acutely aware.

Either way, the club will surely be trying to bring it to some kind of conclusion. We can't be associated with bizarre scenes like this.

Their Police appear even more stupid than our own.

As for Valencia, we don't know the facts, but I hope the Club are going to get to the bottom of it. My initial impressions of him aren't great and I can't see how he'd be worth nearly £15m, so I can't say I'm impressed if this is true, although it's given me a good laugh watching that video.

Aww, now are you just going to take your ball and go home since you don't like the game? You chose to post your decision on the fate of Valencia, have presented nothing in support except your moral judgment to justify being rid of one player while keeping an ex-boozing, serial assaulter on as an assistant coach, and were properly called out for it. If you want your "message" to be ignored, wouldn't it be better not to post at all?

As for your "we probably live in a different world," comment, possibly we do. I am not sure where the boundaries of your moral kingdom begin and end and of its exact location upon the world map. How condescending of you to assume that someone who does not agree with you lives in a different world than you. Oh well, if it makes you sleep better in your glass house, then so be it I guess.

BTW, Still waiting for you to answer the question which I put to you.

Let's see how many find this enough to maybe re-think their "jump to conclusion" attitude

It paints a VERY different story to the tabloid headline, swallowed hook, line and sinker, by many fundamentalist 'morally indignant and easily offended' posters in this thread.

Any of you 'morally correct and courageous' enough to now offer a revised comment to your earlier outraged submissions?

Anyone...?

Anyone jumping to conclusions after reading stories in the gutter press need to have a look at themselves.

So we condemn a current player because of the guilt of past players! Come on! How fecking stupid can you get???

Started off well for West Ham Utd then was played out of position for much of his time there, let's see what he is like when / if he is given a good run in the side.

I too had a broken link to the article Gerry flagged up, but here's an easy solution Michael K once offered which works every time (for me) to ensure you do land on the linked page.

For some reason, when you highlight a link in a post using the URL button option here on TW, if the URL address has the word 'everton' (lower case 'e') in it, for some reason when you try to open the link, the TW 'spell check' corrects it and changes 'everton' to 'Everton' (upper case 'e'). That small alteration leads to a 'page unfound' message, rather than the target page.

If this occurs, simply look for the word 'Everton' and change the initial 'E' for 'e' and ... problem solved!

Works every time for me. Try it with Gerry's link.

An angry crowd becomes calmed.

Then suddenly a brick hits Valencia on the napper.

Jesus: (turns angrily to face the crowd) "Who did tha...oh fuck off mam!"

Ithangyew!

But seriously folks, to be clear, if you have no idea of what has actually happened, but immediately choose to believe/promote the worst, the only insight you offer is about yourself.

(Insight = 'I am basically Hilda Ogden but much, much angrier'.)

What Brent said.

Total bollocks.

Enner Valencia breaks his silence over child maintenance row as Everton striker 'feels obligation to tell the truth'

Should Rom be out then we may see Kone play unless Big K opts for a safety first formation with just Bolasie up front.

I applaud those who withheld judgement without knowing the full facts of the case.

And if you haven't read Valencia's response, he was actually given custody of his daughter last year due to his ex-wife being an abusive gold-digger. He's now been cleared of all charges.

As my late father often lamented, way before Sky reinvented the game, the Liverpool Dockers of the 50s and 60s were the Premier League stars of their time, and faced many of the same pressures.

Especially on pay day.

Ecuador continue in an impressive 3rd place behind Brazil and Uruguay in the South American World Cup Qualifying group.