Valencia's legal bother ventures into farce

Friday 7 October 2016  72 Comments  [Jump to last]
Updated Attempts to detain Everton's on-loan striker, Enner Valencia, continued today when police were seen apparently chasing the striker off the pitch during Ecuador's match with Chile.

Lawyers working on behalf of the child's mother have been seeking maintenance money for care of his five-year-old daughter and, together with authorities, tried to accost Valencia when he arrived for training at Quito's Atahualpa stadium on Wednesday.

According to AS, Valencia apparently avoided detention that day when not all of the police officers complied with the judicial order to accost him. And today, another attempt to detain him was made after he came off the field in his country's 3-0 win after being substituted with eight minutes to go of the CONMEBOL World Cup qualifier.

Police chased Valencia down the running track around the pitch as he was stretchered away in a buggy with an oxygen mask over his face.

The lawyers claim he owes $17,000 in maintenance payments but neither Valencia nor his representatives have publicly commented on the matter.

"It's lamentable that certain police officers didn't collaborate with the detention of the footballer Enner Valencia, to ensure compliance with a judicial order", said Paul Marín, a lawyer for the mother of the striker's child.

"If they say this man earns so much, why doesn't he pay [the maintenance] monthly to his daughter?"  

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Paul Conway
1 Posted 06/10/2016 at 07:45:03
If he owes money for the maintenance of his own flesh and blood, then he should cough up! He is on money for old rope at Everton.

It would appear that many footballers would rather give crazy money to the bookies, than for more essential cause. If the players stopped gambling huge sums of easy acquired money, then maybe they could concentrate more on their game and pleasing the fans.

There must be plenty of scenarios where a player is worrying more about the result of the 3:30 at Cheltenham, than the match he is involved in and half-time can't come quick enough for him to check the result.

If you owe, pay up!

Shane Corcoran
2 Posted 06/10/2016 at 10:20:52
Whip round?
Dick Fearon
3 Posted 06/10/2016 at 10:31:08
What is it with our imports?
Liam Reilly
4 Posted 06/10/2016 at 11:18:48
Could be anything from gold diggers to corrupt officials, but you'd really hope there is no truth in this for the sake of the child.

Any man who doesn't look after his own children is a piece of garbage.

Daniel Lim
5 Posted 06/10/2016 at 11:26:16
If this is true Koeman has to ship him back to London.
Don Alexander
6 Posted 06/10/2016 at 12:21:10
If true he joins players including an alleged wife-beater and a drink/driver, coached by a convicted thug, on the fine fields of Finch Farm.

NSNO? Yeah right.

Denis Richardson
7 Posted 06/10/2016 at 12:23:21
If this is true (the not taking care of child bit) then he needs to be released back to West Ham.

Every story has two sides admittedly but $17k is fuck-all on a Premier League salary. That's about two days work for him.

Craig Walker
8 Posted 06/10/2016 at 12:35:07
He's no good anyway.
Paul Kossoff
10 Posted 06/10/2016 at 16:52:18
Paul (#1),

These so-called athletes are so far off? This planet we call Earth that normality does not apply to them. Paying Bills, shopping, domestic chores, cooking, anything that a normal person has to do, these mostly average under performing 'stars' never have to deal with. They literally do not live in the same Universe as ordinary people.

Why do we get the dubious ones? What's the bet that he is not allowed to leave Ecuador and we still have to pay his wages?

Paul Conway
11 Posted 06/10/2016 at 17:38:44
Paul (#10)

Ever given any thought to a player's lack or dip form... and the probable cause?

I know not every player, but a large number regularly do their bollox on the nags or whatnot. Look at Gillespie (ex Newcastle Utd and Man Utd), lost millions and admitted it.

Gasgoigne, Merson etc.... god knows how many others on a regular basis are punting large sums that you and I could probably never sniff. Barton is under enquiry.

I don't mind having a bet but I am sure that, if I was a player and doing large sums, I have no doubt it would affect my form.

It seems the only people who are not affected by a player's form are bookies and agents!

Jim Hardin
12 Posted 06/10/2016 at 17:41:44
Ironic that this article appears alongside an article discussing Ferguson. Although perhaps more ironic are the comments in support of Ferguson and allowing him anywhere near the young players versus those wanting the club to get rid of Valencia. Daniel Lim, where should Ferguson be shipped exactly? Where was Gibbo shipped?

Ferguson and Gibbo were each convicted of a crime. Valencia's is an alleged debt owed however, so is civil in nature and not necessarily criminal. So, Dick Fearon, I guess I would ask what is it with the "native" players and mention glass houses and stones and all that.

I agree a player should pay for his children but how much has he paid? What are the orders for support? Is this a private agreement or a governmental agency order such as what we have here in the USA? Maybe we should wait for the facts before shipping out the player.

Brian Williams
13 Posted 06/10/2016 at 20:12:32
Let he who is without sin...
Tony Abrahams
14 Posted 06/10/2016 at 20:51:07
So true, Brian...
Eric Myles
15 Posted 07/10/2016 at 00:46:51
Well said Jim, I have 2 US mates that have both had spurious claims of non-payment of child support from a jealous ex-missus just wanting to cause problems.

Let's hear the other side of the story.

James Watts
16 Posted 07/10/2016 at 01:06:52
So we have a wife beater and a guy who doesn't pay child support. Classy. The people's club indeed. ;)
Daniel Lim
17 Posted 07/10/2016 at 01:36:59
Jim (#12),

My answer is Goodison Park for Ferguson.... Why? If you don't know, it don't matter.

And also did Ferguson and/or Gibbo left their kids uncared for?
And again, did you not see the "if this is true" in my comment?

Dick Fearon
18 Posted 07/10/2016 at 01:39:01
Jim @ 12,

My brief comment merely illuminated some problems we have had with a number but not all of our imports.

Per Krøldrup and Niasse were among others that came with problems that should have been detected in a cursory pre-signing check. Best/worst of all was Andy van der Meyde.

Ferguson provided some physical backbone during a period when such was badly lacking.

Phil Sammon
19 Posted 07/10/2016 at 02:32:08
Dick 18

'a number but not all of our imports.'

How magnanimous of you to concede that not ALL of our imports have disgraced the badge.

You've named three there, Dick. We've had dozens upon dozens of great foreign imports over the years. I trust you don't want to mention the home-grown players who went on to cast shadows over their names. Jose Baxter, Michael Branch...

What an obscure comment.

Jim Hardin
20 Posted 07/10/2016 at 03:14:39

So, if he scores goals, earns red cards, gets in fights, and owes money to people then he is okay? Well well, quite the roadmap for young Valencia to follow then to absolution.

By the way, Valencia supposedly owes money to his child, and if true , is not good, but are you judging his character as so flawed on that basis that he must be gotten rid of?

If so, Ferguson owed someone money too and somehow this, on top of his other issues, is okay and he should be working for Everton? I am sorry, but I don't understand your basis for different treatment of the two.

John Daley
21 Posted 07/10/2016 at 07:16:10
"Ferguson owed someone money too and somehow this, on top of his other issues, is okay and he should be working for Everton? I am sorry, but I don't understand your basis for different treatment of the two."

That's like comparing a guy you've been close friends with for over twenty years to another fella who has just recently arrived here, on holiday, that you happen to have said "Alright?" to a couple of times on the street.

Of course you're going to feel a greater sense of loyalty and a more natural urge to offer support to one of those two. Nothing to do with where they come from or how their character might happen to compare.

Daniel Lim
22 Posted 07/10/2016 at 11:30:41
Precisely John (#21),

I can't help but think that some people like to refuse to understand something that they do understand.

To further the debate, to me, people who don't care for their own parents and/or child(ren) are worse than people who drink-drive (of course, if drink-drive and kill, it's another matter).

Jay Wood
23 Posted 07/10/2016 at 11:32:42
Strewth, a few Judge Dredd's from medieval Star Chambers out in force on this (and the Funes-Mori) thread, swinging the axe without any in-depth knowledge of the circumstances.

Yes, failing to pay child support, especially as a well-paid high-profile sportsman, is bad. But nobody in this thread, absolutely NOBODY, knows beyond the headline to this story the finer details.

It may well be he is dodging his responsibilities. It is equally plausible there is a more mundane explanation and he is not (as) guilty as some wish to charge.

The self-righteous indignation some claim at times with stories like this, without knowing any of the details, can be quite nauseous. As Brian Williams pens, "Let he who is without sin..." and all that.

Oh! And there was a Keystone Cops moment when Valencia was substituted on 82 minutes and, whilst wearing an oxygen mask and being driven away on a buggy to a waiting ambulance, he was pursued by a number of police in full riot gear.


Valencia's agent reports the arrest warrant has now been dropped.

Daniel Lim
24 Posted 07/10/2016 at 11:36:39
And Jim, if you think that Valencia ONLY owes money to his child and nothing else, then I'm speechless...

And speechless is an understatement.

Ralph Basnett
25 Posted 07/10/2016 at 12:09:05
If we ever needed an excuse to get rid of a crap loanee this was it.

Ship him back ...

Jim Hardin
26 Posted 07/10/2016 at 16:56:16

So now you are the great moralist viewpoint on here? Sorry, but legally, a person owes to their family members what the law says. End of. Your viewpoint on morals imposes what you think is owed. So if a drunk beats his children but does provide food and clothing and shelter he is okay? Ridiculous.

But let us not stop there Daniel, because now you give a view on the morality of drinking and driving, a legal crime versus your view of Valencia's alleged moral crime. You pardon Ferguson's offenses since he only assaulted four people but did not kill them and only owes money to someone not related to him, as well as and Gibbo too, since no one (except the petrol pump) died. How very enlightened of you.

Clutching at straws, you now proceed to adopt John's thoughts that if you knew someone longer or had a special link to them, then you can side with them, no matter what they may have done. This not having been part of your original construct, I will then assume this is a tacit admission that you have no real valid argument in support of your position. I am not trying to deliberately misunderstand you, which is why I asked what your basis for your disparate opinions on the two men are.

Meanwhile, your "you will not and /or cannot understand" statement aside, I am still waiting for you to answer the question posed. We have the rest of the international break so take your time okay?

Darren Hind
27 Posted 07/10/2016 at 17:07:57
"Let he who is without sin (cast the first one)."

You trying to close this place down, Brian?

Kim Vivian
28 Posted 07/10/2016 at 17:32:17
BBC website, 17:22...

"This is like something out of a Benny Hill script...

Everton forward Enner Valencia is pursued by police in Ecuador after leaving the field injured during a match against Chile, the officers wanted to speak to the striker about alleged unpaid alimony."

We do pick 'em don't we!

Eddie Dunn
30 Posted 07/10/2016 at 20:22:37
Watched the video... absolutely bizarre!

Regardless of whether he has any case to answer, it really is embarrassing to our club. It certainly doesn't bode well for him settling in and showing us his best form.

Brian Williams
31 Posted 07/10/2016 at 21:09:49
Haha... Daren (#27).
Nothing of the sort, mate, but some of the sanctimonious saintly fookers on here get carried away now and then.

I bet they keep sacks of stones handy in case a married woman in their locale is found to be unfaithful!

Tom Bowers
32 Posted 07/10/2016 at 21:29:24
Forget Valencia. What a fantastic goal by Rom for Belgium.
Kunal Desai
33 Posted 07/10/2016 at 21:41:38
Rom should have had two. That miss before his goal was shocking. Probably miss of the season.
Roy Johnstone
34 Posted 07/10/2016 at 22:32:17
I'm not going to comment on the details of this, because I've struggled to find anything conclusive on it on the web. I would say that the race on the video was possibly the most feeble and pathetic shambles I've seen in a long time. Can no one run in Quito because of the altitude?
Don Alexander
35 Posted 07/10/2016 at 22:49:46
Does "Enner Valencia" translate to "Benny Hill" in English?
Dick Fearon
36 Posted 07/10/2016 at 23:57:33
Regardless whether or not this bloke is a most caring dad, it is sad that all the barrack room lawyers in the world cannot deny that Everton's good name is linked to this debacle.

Ernie Baywood
37 Posted 08/10/2016 at 00:18:08
Obviously ridiculous scenes. Unlike many, I can't comment on whether he's in the wrong because, like most, I don't know a single fact about it.
Brendan Moriarty
38 Posted 08/10/2016 at 01:11:20
Once again we caught a live one! The press in Chile, where I live, are loving this, partly as a way to deflect attention away from Thursday´s humiliating defeat. It could only happen in South America and it could only happen to us
Bob Parrington
39 Posted 08/10/2016 at 01:35:23
If it is a genuine claim then he should pay up. It's a pittance for a Dad on his wages. But is it a genuine claim? It is strange that the story has come out just when he is back in Ecuador to play for his country? Do we sense there's something else going on here?
James Stewart
40 Posted 08/10/2016 at 02:16:19
Has a club ever signed 3 worse strikers than Kone, Niasse and Valencia???

Rotten luck!

Daniel Lim
41 Posted 08/10/2016 at 02:28:37
Answer? If you didn't see the answer or refuse to see the answer, sorry, I can't help you.
Daniel Lim
42 Posted 08/10/2016 at 02:37:59
"Legally a person owes to..."

"Clutching at straw... If you knew someone longer you side with them..."

I think it is quite pointless to discuss anything between you and me. We probably live in a different world. You should just ignore my message and I ignore yours...

Brian Cleveland
43 Posted 08/10/2016 at 04:51:14
It really is hilarious... even the commentators seemed embarrassed about what was going on. The South American's have no idea who Benny Hill is... but the only thing missing were scantily clad women!

I'm still laughing... and I still don't know whether or not he was accosted, and if not, how does he plan on returning to England? As a stowaway on a banana boat? Surely the airports will be watched!

What a farce... we're loving it down here in South America... thank God we can still send him back to West Ham... if he makes it back to England at all!!

Len Hawkins
44 Posted 08/10/2016 at 09:21:59
Has Niasse done anything? Can't think of anything other than stealing his wages.
Ciarán McGlone
45 Posted 08/10/2016 at 10:29:16
If true, then he's a utter gobshite.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is true. Footballers are a breed alone. ("Yeah, but some are fine chaps, give to charity, let tramps sleep in their gaffs, blah, blah blah".)

Richard Dodd
46 Posted 08/10/2016 at 11:18:03
We really do seem to pick 'em, don't we? I was always led to believe Moyes took great care about the background and off-field behaviour of his targets but even he collected some wrong 'uns. (Names on a postcard as they used to say !)

Martinez seemed to favour ANYBODY who had played for him previously – good or bad – although I firmly believe he had NEVER seen either Funes Mori or Niasse in action and bought them both off YouTube!

Koeman has bought/borrowed some right stinkers in his career so perhaps all these super agents expect managers to sign their share of 'bad boys' as a condition of getting real quality directed their way.

A good policy seems to be to avoid anyone who has ever played in Russia!

Ed Fitzgerald
47 Posted 08/10/2016 at 12:18:31
FFS, the moral majority on here have condemned Valencia without knowing fuck all about the circumstances. It's got fuck all to do with Everton FC, it's a civil matter in another country.

Daniel, I certainly hope you don't work in the judiciary or the police? You appear to have judged him to be guilty based upon evidence provided on websites and a video. The press don't always tell the truth and rarely the full story, as everyone on Merseyside is more than acutely aware.

Lev Vellene
48 Posted 08/10/2016 at 13:41:00
Too much to read them all, sorry... If you've spread your genes, and it's proved, you pay and you smile from knowing that! Your eventual shit performance for the majority of your pay will never be relayed to your child!
Mark Morrissey
49 Posted 08/10/2016 at 17:39:38
Another occasion where we don't know the full story, à la Niasse. It would be nice to know what's going on but, in truth, it is probably none of my business. I'd rather it wasn't "Everton striker blah blah blah" in the press.
Bill Gienapp
50 Posted 08/10/2016 at 19:53:50
Don (#35) – I was about to say the same thing... I can't be the only person watching this and imagining Yakety Sax playing over it, lol.
Ernie Baywood
51 Posted 08/10/2016 at 23:40:31
Ciaran (#45), It wouldn't surprise me either, but it also wouldn't surprise me if it emerged it was someone trying to make some dodgy coin off a wealthy young man.

Either way, the club will surely be trying to bring it to some kind of conclusion. We can't be associated with bizarre scenes like this.

Karl Masters
52 Posted 09/10/2016 at 01:28:09
Laughable attempts to try and catch a horizontal bloke wearing an oxygen mask in a golf buggy!

Their Police appear even more stupid than our own.

As for Valencia, we don't know the facts, but I hope the Club are going to get to the bottom of it. My initial impressions of him aren't great and I can't see how he'd be worth nearly £15m, so I can't say I'm impressed if this is true, although it's given me a good laugh watching that video.

Jim Hardin
53 Posted 09/10/2016 at 05:08:37

Aww, now are you just going to take your ball and go home since you don't like the game? You chose to post your decision on the fate of Valencia, have presented nothing in support except your moral judgment to justify being rid of one player while keeping an ex-boozing, serial assaulter on as an assistant coach, and were properly called out for it. If you want your "message" to be ignored, wouldn't it be better not to post at all?

As for your "we probably live in a different world," comment, possibly we do. I am not sure where the boundaries of your moral kingdom begin and end and of its exact location upon the world map. How condescending of you to assume that someone who does not agree with you lives in a different world than you. Oh well, if it makes you sleep better in your glass house, then so be it I guess.

BTW, Still waiting for you to answer the question which I put to you.

Gerry Quinn
55 Posted 09/10/2016 at 15:47:28

Everton loanee Enner Valencia breaks silence to defend himself following child maintenance row
[Link Fixed]

Let's see how many find this enough to maybe re-think their "jump to conclusion" attitude

Brent Stephens
56 Posted 09/10/2016 at 15:58:23
Gerry, thanks for the link. Very interesting. "Until proven guilty" was already the wise take in this thread. What Valencia has said makes that caution even more sensible.

Jay Wood
57 Posted 10/10/2016 at 00:49:01
Thanks for that link, Gerry.

It paints a VERY different story to the tabloid headline, swallowed hook, line and sinker, by many fundamentalist 'morally indignant and easily offended' posters in this thread.

Any of you 'morally correct and courageous' enough to now offer a revised comment to your earlier outraged submissions?


Jay Harris
58 Posted 10/10/2016 at 04:04:43
Well said Jay.

Anyone jumping to conclusions after reading stories in the gutter press need to have a look at themselves.

Dick Fearon
59 Posted 10/10/2016 at 05:38:54
Two Jays, you have to accept that our history of such matters does lend itself to believing the worst.
Stan Schofield
60 Posted 10/10/2016 at 10:29:50
As an Evertonian, I like fellow Evertonians, and particularly reading and contributing to the debates on TW. That said, it never ceases to amaze me how some of my fellow Evetonians are gullible enough to swallow media reports as readily as they do. Reports from an unreliable, and often corrupt, media.
Brent Stephens
61 Posted 10/10/2016 at 11:36:21
Dick (#59) – "you have to accept that our history of such matters does lend itself to believing the worst."

So we condemn a current player because of the guilt of past players! Come on! How fecking stupid can you get???

Dave Abrahams
62 Posted 10/10/2016 at 12:27:17
Gerry (55), I couldn't get the link so I don't know how Valencia has defended himself. I think it is a personal matter anyway; I'm more concerned in how the lad performs for Everton on the pitch. It seems to me he has already been written off by a lot of Everton fans without the player given a real chance to show what he can do for the club.

Started off well for West Ham Utd then was played out of position for much of his time there, let's see what he is like when / if he is given a good run in the side.

Jay Wood
63 Posted 10/10/2016 at 12:46:50
Dave @ 62

I too had a broken link to the article Gerry flagged up, but here's an easy solution Michael K once offered which works every time (for me) to ensure you do land on the linked page.

For some reason, when you highlight a link in a post using the URL button option here on TW, if the URL address has the word 'everton' (lower case 'e') in it, for some reason when you try to open the link, the TW 'spell check' corrects it and changes 'everton' to 'Everton' (upper case 'e'). That small alteration leads to a 'page unfound' message, rather than the target page.

If this occurs, simply look for the word 'Everton' and change the initial 'E' for 'e' and ... problem solved!

Works every time for me. Try it with Gerry's link.

Eugene Ruane
64 Posted 10/10/2016 at 12:49:38
Jesus of Nazareth: "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

An angry crowd becomes calmed.

Then suddenly a brick hits Valencia on the napper.

Jesus: (turns angrily to face the crowd) "Who did tha...oh fuck off mam!"


But seriously folks, to be clear, if you have no idea of what has actually happened, but immediately choose to believe/promote the worst, the only insight you offer is about yourself.

(Insight = 'I am basically Hilda Ogden but much, much angrier'.)

Jay Wood
65 Posted 10/10/2016 at 12:50:07
Dick @ 59.

What Brent said.

Total bollocks.

Dave Abrahams
66 Posted 10/10/2016 at 13:02:22
Jay (63) thanks, I did as you suggested and, as you say in a previous line, it shows an entirely different story. It shows the player in a better light, where he is responsible and wants to take care of his daughter and raise her himself, and he has paid his dues financially as well.
Gerry Quinn
68 Posted 10/10/2016 at 14:00:24
This Daily Mail story provides a full English translation of Enner Valencia's statement:

Enner Valencia breaks his silence over child maintenance row as Everton striker 'feels obligation to tell the truth'

Tom Bowers
69 Posted 10/10/2016 at 14:29:38
Without knowing the real truth, who knows what's going on, but I am glad Everton haven't paid out a ton of money for this lad. With this distraction, he won't be of much use to the Blues if Rom. is injured and likely wouldn't play this weekend anyway after the long trip to South America.

Should Rom be out then we may see Kone play unless Big K opts for a safety first formation with just Bolasie up front.

Scott Goin
70 Posted 10/10/2016 at 14:33:16
Many people jumping to conclusions based on circumstantial evidence. Not surprising but sad.

I applaud those who withheld judgement without knowing the full facts of the case.

And if you haven't read Valencia's response, he was actually given custody of his daughter last year due to his ex-wife being an abusive gold-digger. He's now been cleared of all charges.

Dick Fearon
71 Posted 10/10/2016 at 23:56:17
My only excuse for taking an opposite view is that I have yet to recover from the Van der Meyde debacle. That was a turning point that hardened my acceptance of either side's story. From the beginning, I was swimming against a tide of his TW supporters by daring to expose AvdM's shortcomings. It took four years at a cost of several million pounds before he was fully exposed, and he had to do it himself – his own words.
Bob Parrington
72 Posted 11/10/2016 at 00:28:58
Well. there ya go guys! Hunted becomes hunter. Some strong stuff, too. What chance an attempt at a defamation case by the ex? Don't miss the next episode!
Matt Traynor
73 Posted 11/10/2016 at 05:16:17
Well, combination of Internet / Social Media and mega bucks wages for those fortunate enough to kick a ball in the right direction (and even some who can't) has created a new career choice - Wannabe WAG. As long you look the part he's unlikely to want to get to understand your innermost feelings about the failing Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership or your views on Climate Change.

As my late father often lamented, way before Sky reinvented the game, the Liverpool Dockers of the 50s and 60s were the Premier League stars of their time, and faced many of the same pressures.

Especially on pay day.

Richard Leeming-McHale
74 Posted 11/10/2016 at 08:37:59
Good role model?
Brian Cleveland
75 Posted 11/10/2016 at 23:05:05
As opposed to the child's mother who appears to be a good roll model? ;-)
Jay Wood
76 Posted 12/10/2016 at 02:33:01
Two good goals for Enner tonight, helping Ecuador to a 2-2 draw after trailing 2-0 away to Bolivia. I'm pleased for the lad and still willing to give him a chance, rather than dismiss him after so little time in an Everton shirt.

Ecuador continue in an impressive 3rd place behind Brazil and Uruguay in the South American World Cup Qualifying group.

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