Reports: Everton wrap up Niasse loan deal with Hull

Maybe we played them twice already and we won't be meeting them in any cup matches this season. :-/

Good luck to the lad I was excited what he could do, think he has been unfairly treated but the club must have seen something in training to suggest he isn't good enough? Who knows!

Watch him bang in a hat-trick on his debut!

Good luck to the lad.

Good luck, Niasse.

Everton have nothing to lose with this proposed deal.

It will make Koeman look very silly.

Win-win .

Sounds like his attitude with the U23s has been commendable and I hope for that reason (and so we get some meagre return on our investment) that he does well.

A ludicrously overpriced signing made by our former, demented egomaniacal boss, why on earth would you find it hilarious if he now made Koeman, who has only had a few months working with an unholy mess of a squad, look stupid?

Anything that undermines the new manager at this early stage can only be bad for Everton, unless you think we should adopt the recruitment policy of Niasse's new side Hull, and turn ourselves into a trigger-happy, hire 'em and fire 'em, three managers a season joke of a club...

He has handled 'the Niasse situation' very badly. If he does not rate Niasse, he didn't need to tell the world, did he?

Good luck to the lad.

Who knows what the future may hold... 💰💰💰

My understanding is that their rules contrast with those of Uefa which by contrast does allow a loanee to play against his parent club in European competition, an example being Patrick Roberts who recently played for Celtic in Champions League against his parent club, Abu Dhabi City!

God alone knows why such polar opposite rules apply but no doubt it is to appease the rich clubs in some way.

Good luck to the lad.

The only player who has tried to play a good game rather than talk one. Never been given a chance unlike most who have had too many.

Good luck, go prove people wrong.

I remember Rangers leaving Michael Ball out of their team for ages just to avoid such a payment, before we eventually settled things with them.

Koeman probably took one look at him, said "Nah, not worth the gamble," hence his appearances for the U-23s. Best of luck to the lad but it was clearly a strange piece of business all round.

The man who bought him wouldn't play him. The man who inherited him has repeated what everyone else has said. And comes out the bad guy. Funny...

But there is a bright side. If we don't sign anyone else, Koeman may walk and that will save on the compo.

Hang on, think I've just stumbled onto their plan...

I don't think Niasse is nearly as mysterious as Jelavic. Niasse is just a very ordinary player, who had a 3-month 'purple patch' in Russia, and someone took a punt on the basis of it. He was never good enough for the Premier League.

Jelavic, however, undoubtedly was. When he first arrived, he couldn't stop scoring (largely with 1st touches, Rom please note!) A few months later, and he stunk the place out; and he never recovered that original form, either with us, or anywhere else.

Currently in the Chinese 2nd Division... and surprisingly, still only 31.

A waste of money by Martinez. Koeman is still making his mark, people need to get off his back and start supporting the changes at Everton.

Transition takes time, and there will be problems along the way.

How is it we keep players beyond their useful life. Barry couldn't hold down a place at Man City yet is a starter at 36 for Everton. We saw how poor Neville was at a similar age. Both Moyes and Koeman just don't trust young players.

My man was Pellegrini, just saying like.

I just can't agree with the dreadful treatment meted out to him by the club. No squad number, no locker? That's bloody infantile and worse.

We must be paying the likes of Cleverley, Gibson, Niasse, McGeady and Kone far too much money if they're happy to see out their contract with us, instead of making a break.

Another key area where we need to be ruthless, if ever we are going to progress from a bunch of 'happy family' underachievers.

I don't think Niasse was a Martinez signing at all by the way. He never proclaimed his acquisition and clearly had no intention of playing him (wrist injury, my arse...).

A most dodgy deal all round and the Russian connection cannot be ignored. He clearly did not come here for football reasons.

We did!

For all of the optimism generated by Kenwright's latest musical at the Phil', no-one has told us why we bought this lad. I hope he does well at Hull, and saves their bacon, then perhaps Bill would like the rights to "Niasse-the musical".

I'm surprised we would loan him to another Premier League team as, once everyone sees how shite he is, no-one will want him again.

Reminds me of Traore, oh, hold on didn't he score one goal in one game and get injured then it was out the door?

Everton must be the worst club at signing useless articles.

Hope he does well, but doesn't return to torment us.

Koeman comes out of this saga with little credit, despite the strange Martinez signing.

I think Evertonians had become accustomed to the club being more careful than most with players being a source of resale income. As such we're shocked at spunking that much money up the wall.

However, I imagine Niasse will be overshadowed in the not too distant future by the likes of Bolasie and others but the big clubs with money don't care too much as long as the ones that go pear-shaped are balanced by the Idrissa Gueye's etc. and the first team/squad gets better.

This is a professional footballer on in excess of £60,000 per week who looked like a headless chicken on the rare occasion he actually played for us and and is basically shite.

Also, do people honestly think that Koeman based his decision on '45 minutes of football'? How about day in and day out in training and pre-season and the reports from the coaching staff and fitness staff and sports scientists etc etc? Even the charlatan who signed him last season wouldn't actually play him.

Let's face it, if he actually any good both managers would have played him wouldn't they? To pick Kone ahead of him tells you all you need to know.

He himself said he had a chance to leave but chose not to. How exactly is he being harshly or unfairly treated? He tripped and fell ass-backwards into a terrific contract; with four years still left on it.

Only thing he needs to do regarding his treatment is to open and close his prayers thanking God for Everton.

This lad was obviously a joke buy by Martinez and the scout who recommended him and every professional at the club knows the lad cannot play at this level.

For some posters to try to beat Ron up with a big stick over this is nothing short of disgraceful.

I hope he does well at Hull as they really need a lift right now as their situation is intolerable for any manager at the moment!

Koeman was setting the bar in his assessment of Niasse in pre-season. Basically he was saying to the board whoever bought this guy needs their heads examined and also served a warning to the rest of the squad.

Some may disagree with the way Koeman goes about stuff, but in this case I believe he was correct .

And that tells you everything!

He's under contract and wants to stay in the UK, so I'm delighted someone else over here will take him off our hands. Hopefully they'll take most of the wages too.

I hope he proves everyone wrong and smashes it at Hull but from what I've seen of him I can't see that happening.

He was highly rated in a league that, while being vastly inferior to the Premier League, has got some decent players. You would expect the best players from their league to at least be good squad players over here but we've seen it a few times now that it just doesn't work like that.

Good luck, Oumar, you seem like a nice fella and when you find the right level I'm sure the goals will fly in for you.

I tell you what is shameful Jay, a supporter of any club thinking it's acceptable for any employee, regardless of their ability or role, to have their professional worth publicly written off by their manager and for them to then be ostracised to such an extent that they're left skulking about like the littlest hobo with their belongings in a satchel and a sign slung around their neck with the words "Worthless Shite" scrawled across it for the whole world to see.

It's not 'ruthlessness' and 'straight talking'. It's treating somebody, a member of your staff (whether you like that fact or not is irrelevant when it comes to how employees should be treated in the work place once they're actually there and armed with a contract)  like shite on the bottom of your shoe, taking petty pot shots ("Whoah, hold on Niasse, son.  Who said you could eat your lunch in the canteen? This is a place for proper Everton players to polish off their scran. Ron's put a bowl out for you by the dog kennels") and making them persona non grata around the place. 

That's more shameful to me than a supporter pointing out that Koeman  has handled a situation (which was admittedly not of his making) in a manner more befitting a school bully than a leader of men or a figure head of Everton Football Club.

"I don't have a locker. All the other players have where they put their stuff but I don't. I come with my bag and I just have a place I know. I put my bag down, I train and after, I put everything in my car and go home".

You deserve it, lad. For making us buy you, moving to another country and then refusing to fuck off when we turn around five minutes later and say "Soz mate, we've messed up. Sling your hook".

Koeman tried to make his mind up quickly and move on. I think Niasse did deserve a bit more respect. I hope he proves to himself he can play in this league. Beaming smile when he first arrived.

I couldn't help comparing how David Unsworth has spoken publicly about the lad compared with how Ronald Koeman has.

Given the choice I know who I would follow out of the two.

The treatment of this man (regardless of his ability) has been criminal. £60k a week doesn't alter that one little bit.

He is (imo) entitled to wave his pay slip at Koeman at the end of every month

To open with "I am ashamed to call some posters fellow Evertonians" and closing with "For some posters to try to beat Ron up with a big stick over this is nothing short of disgraceful" suggests to me it is possibly you that don't get Evertonians.

Heavens knows we see daily on TW 'Scouse Wedding' fallouts, but, by-and-large, Blues know the difference between right and wrong, fair and ugly. I am pleased so many in this thread wish the lad well. That's very much what I would expect from the Blue Family.

It was Everton who recruited Niasse. It was Everton that set his salary. It was the manager who bought him and the manager who inherited him who chose not to play him.

The first manager kept telling us he will be fit and ready in 'x' weeks and months. The second manager's first public major decision was to declare if Niasse wants to play football, he needs to leave Everton.

There is no need to repeat again ad nauseum how ostracised – almost criminalised – Niasse has been under Koeman.

Not once has there been as much as a whisper of complaint from the player (yeah-yeah ... softened by picking up £60k a week). He has done what has been asked of him, playing with the U-23s, receiving glowing praise from Unsworth for his application and attitude.

Koeman's words and actions flagged up to the football word Everton has a crap player they want off their books. By doing so Koeman placed the club in a very weak negotiating position for would-be suitors of the player, who on the back of such a damning public assessment by the club's manager ensures we won't recuperate anywhere near what we shelled out for him.

I am not anti-Koeman. I don't want him dismissed. I think he merits more time than some on here are prepared to give him.

But on this issue he has played it very badly. Indeed, his treatment of Niasse could be in breach of employment laws and constitute a form of 'constructive dismissal' for the way the player has quite clearly endured any number of humiliating comments and sanctions against him.

"Ashamed to call some posters fellow Evertonians" Jay?

Care to share with us lesser Blues how you would label Koeman on this one issue..?

Pretty shabby treatment by Koeman. Whether Niasse earns £60k a week is irrelevant. Koeman essentially made a club asset worthless and made himself look like a right ballbag.

I trust Koeman to know if a player will make it in the Premier League or not. I do actually feel for the lad but none of this was of Koeman's making and Koeman was just being brutally hones which by the way Jay Wood is a scouse way and having followed Everton home and away since 1960 would challenge anyone who says I don't get Evertonians.

Yes, Niasse got dragged from Russia but has been picking up a fat pay check and get to stay with his girlfriend in Manchester while constantly refusing to accept a transfer.

But in saying that, I don't have a problem with Koeman telling him that he would need to find another club if he wanted to play football. Same as I don't have a problem with Niasse saying "You give me the contract and I am staying where I am until I get a deal that suits me."

I wish the lad all the best. I hope he goes on to have a decent career.

It kind of sums up the club under Bobby Martinez. Koeman on a mission, at the moment and almost 2 weeks in the transfer window and the Acclaimed Midas wheeler dealer of Steve Walsh, we still seem as far away from sealing a deal, as me winning the lotto.

The clubs were finalising the terms with Niasse on Tuesday afternoon and the striker is set to become the first signing of the new manager Marco Silva’s tenure. It has been agreed that Hull will pay all of Niasse’s £55,000 weekly wage – with no contributions from Everton. His contract at the Merseyside club runs until 2020.

Loan agreed

It doesn't take Kryptonian levels of 'context appreciation' ( Link ) to understand Koeman probably said what he did in an attempt to coerce Niasse into catching the first bus to 'fucking anywhere', or that the club may have been working feverishly behind the scenes to find someone willing to take him off their hands ("stand by for Operation Goodison Face Saving Exercise").

Doesn't change a thing. Nor does it merit a myopic refusal to recognise that an employee is perfectly within their rights not to be pressurised or intimidated into playing ball (no pun intended).

For the sake of fairness though, let's add a little more 'context' from the 'clinging on like a limpet' lads point of view:

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Niasse played in the second half of Koeman’s first game in charge – the 1-0 friendly win over Jablonec on 16 July – and he thought it did not go too badly. 

Forty-eight hours later, he was called into the manager’s office.

“Koeman said: ‘You have to leave,’” Niasse says. “I couldn’t understand how that decision could have been made after 45 minutes but I just said: ‘OK, thank you.’ It’s his decision. He’s the manager. What can I do? I called my agent and he said he would look into the opportunities for me. To be honest, I didn’t ask Koeman to explain his reasons. I just thought, even if I asked why, I would never understand. After just 45 minutes, you cannot say to me: ‘You are no good.’”

Niasse has since had one further conversation with Koeman, which was when he learned of his demotion to the under-23s. “He changed everything,” Niasse says. “He took my shirt number and he told me I wasn’t allowed to be in the dressing room for the first team; that I wasn’t going to train with them. I had to go with the second team.

“ I said: ‘OK, no problem.’ When you say you don’t need a player, you don’t have to see him. I’ve just kept working in training. Even if I’m training with the under-23s, I give them the respect.”

Everton had scouted Niasse at Lokomotiv; they watched him many times and he was not an impulse buy. Other leading clubs in England and mainland Europe wanted him too but, after Everton had paid the money, they came to feel he was not for them. Moreover, through the words and deeds of Martínez and Koeman, they have made it plain to Niasse’s potential suitors they see little value in him. How is that £13.5m asset looking now?

The saga says much about the Premier League, with its power plays and financial imperatives, and it reinforces the image of England’s top division as the place to be; a ticket to be seized and not relinquished. Niasse believes he has been harshly treated but he has a good contract until 2020 and he is not blind to the bigger picture. A football career must be plotted with the utmost care.

It is also interesting to consider Koeman’s position. He has made a judgment call, in good faith, on Niasse and it is one that, at the very least, represents a serious setback to the player’s career. He has backed him into a corner and yet the manager has been unable to make him blink.

“It is all up to the player whether he doesn’t leave, I can’t understand it but that is normal,” Koeman said on 22 September. “Football players like to play football, that’s how I see it, and I explained to Niasse why he was not in my plans for the season.” Koeman is not in the best position to get too huffy about the situation.

Niasse wants to play but not just anywhere. He wants it to be at a club of his choice and he wants it to be in the Premier League. He had offers over the summer from Germany, Spain, Portugal and Turkey but there was never a decision for him to make over a Premier League move, despite interest from Crystal Palace, West Bromwich Albion and Hull City.

“It’s not only about having opportunities and then, you’re going to leave,” Niasse says. “I always think about my career – to make good choices. Yes, I had opportunities but I wanted to play in the Premier League and it’s because I know I can do a lot of things in the Premier League. That’s why I am keeping my head, even if it’s hard now.

Niasse had it tougher, much tougher, at Lokomotiv, after his €6m transfer from the Turkish club Akhisar Belediyespor for whom he scored 15 goals and had seven assists in 2013-14. Niasse knew no one in Moscow, he could not speak Russian and the temperatures of -15C were brutal. There were also the depressing brushes with racism.

Niasse struggled desperately during his first season at Lokomotiv. The club had Roman Pavlyuchenko and Dame N’Doye up front and, after the latter moved to Hull in February 2015, they signed the Serb Petar Skuletic to replace him. Niasse kicked his heels. Between 24 November 2014 and 18 April 2015, he did not appear for a single minute.

He was given a chance towards the end of the season and he responded by scoring the equaliser in the Russian Cup final against Kuban Krasnodar. Lokomotiv would win 3-1 after extra time. When the following season kicked off, Niasse caught fire. He scored 13 times and made 10 assists, before the Russian League broke for the winter.

“People say Russia is not a strong league but you go to Moscow, with the weather, with the way they play, with everything, and you’ll see that to play there is much more complicated.

“If I did it in Russia, why can’t I do it in England? What happened in Moscow makes me know I can turn it around here.”

Niasse starred in Lokomotiv’s Europa League matches last season and it really is bizarre he has gone from that kind of form to the predicament of having to pick up the pieces with Everton Under-23s. Since 19 September, he has played four times for David Unsworth’s team, scoring against Arsenal and Manchester United.

“I’m just thinking about what I have to do,” Niasse says. “If, at any time, Everton need me – for the 23s or the first team – I will be there, because I work for Everton. They paid a lot of money for me and that’s why I feel I have to show something. People say what they think but they don’t know me in England. They have never seen me fit and playing.

“I want to show myself in the Premier League and I hope it can be at Everton, because it’s the team that I’m feeling. Every weekend, I’m watching the games, I’m supporting the team, I’m behind them. I’m a Blue. But, if I get the opportunity to show what I can do at another Premier League team, I will go and I will do it. You never know what can happen. This is football.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/11/Everton-oumar-niasse-ronald-koeman-Roberto-Martinez

"...like shite on the bottom of your shoe, taking petty pot shots ("whoah, hold on Niasse, son. Who said you could eat your lunch in the canteen? This is a place for proper Everton players to polish off their scran. Ron's put a bowl out for you by the dog kennels") and making them persona non grata around the place.

Well I really think Koeman was over the top with his decision; however I cannot ever remember reading or hearing those words from him. Please do show me where and when. It seems that some feel the desperate need to vilify and exaggerate to make a point.

Maybe a million more to offer for Schneiderlin!

Incidentally, the whole locker thing seems awful. Is there a shortage of lockers; do the Under-23s have any?

If we can bugger about over a few mill on the Schneiderlin deal, then why were we so keen to shell-out all that dosh on Oumar?

I was responding to Jay Woods post "That I don't get Evertonians".

I just think some people on here are trying to find anything to criticise Koeman for.

He wasnt my first choice but he certainly has the pedigree to take us back to the top and I cant understand why people want to hound him out after 6 months.

It really IS a mystery that our third most expensive signing (I think) can be so bad, if he is that bad.

If he is, whoever recommended him, scouted him, has questions to answer!

Hopefully there is a clause that he does not play against us this season, as it seems players who have not scored for their clubs or are struggling to score, usually score against Everton.

Fair enough mate.
Possibly wrong phrase from me.

I am with you in backing off Koeman.

The issue a lot of folks seem to have was when Koeman doubled down on his comments. But again, Niasse had bagged a few goals for the U23 side, the media broached the subject and Koeman gave an honest answer ("Nothing's changed").

People saying he was publicly degrading the value of a club asset may have a point, but I think the word on Niasse was out long before Koeman set foot through the door.

Anyway, like most others, I wish him well and am genuinely curious to see how he fares at Hull.

If it turns out he's quality and Koeman was wrong, we can either bring him back or sell him on for better money than we expected.

See McGeady, who was equally worthless to us but has enhanced his transfer value with his performances at Preston.

Okay, we will have lost out on £3 million plus his wages to date, but these days, don't you think it's been worth it for the laugh???

The bleeding world's gone crazy!

Still, good luck to the guy.

Not questioning your worth as an Evertonian. You post some good stuff on here.

But your original post @ 65 was a poor one. Indeed, given the quality of your contribution on these pages I would suggest it was as poor a post as I've read by you.

It clearly offers a very harsh, judgemental and blanket condemnation of fellow Blues who you view as using the Niasse situation as a means to beat Koeman with. I honestly do not see that tendency in this thread. Rather, I see a lot of sympathy being expressed for the player and a raised eyebrow at Koeman's handling of the situation.

You chose to use very emotive language to condemn the 'disgraceful' conduct (as you see it...) of fellow blues who left you 'ashamed' of them. Like it or not, it implies you view yourself as somehow superior in some way to lesser Blues.

That you did so prompted me to write as I did that the content of your single post @ 65 "suggests to me it is possibly you that don't get Evertonians".

It's an observation I am happy to stand by, weighing the tone and content of the majority of posts in this thread against your own offering at post 65.

Alas I fear this may not happen, but I wish you all the best young man. You deserve a break for your excellent attitude that you have shown in the face of adversity.

I am of the view that we have always backed our managers until the situation became untenable although I think Martinez was given far too much latitude; however, it seems some are intent on picking fault with everything Koeman does and reveling in the criticism of him.

Maybe my post was poor but like everyone else on here it is only an opinion.

Koeman was being honest with the lad and while that treatment may seem harsh, it was following Niasse's refusal to go elsewhere when the club had negotiated a deal that the lad had initially agreed to but was told by his girlfriend just stay there and draw your wages.

In my opinion, Koeman has been told (maybe due to FFP) that players will have to go to facilitate incoming transfers and was trying to let the lad know he had no chance of playing if he stayed. I personally welcome his honesty after 3 years of utter bullshit.

If he had been put in our side for 20 games, it is possible that could have showed that he has some defects, but has a knack of being in the right place at the right time. Like Naismith.

I really hope he gets a proper chance at Hull. The way he has been treated, I thought he must have made a pass at Ronny's missus.

ps: I didn't check out their match schedule to see if they are playing any of the relegation favourite in May though.

Yes, maybe he is on £60k/week. But he is not a burglar, is he? Our club sought him out, agreed terms and paid for his contract (both exit and entry).

His weekly pay has less than the square root of minus fuck-all to do with the petty, shitless and pathetic way that our glorious club decided to punish this man because he turned out (possibly) to be less than they originally believed.

We sought him out. Our fault, not his. For all of us, there is a job/position beyond our abilities. If we do this self-employed, then we alone bear the costs. If we accept a job offered, then the employer bears the responsibilities.

Oumar Niasse was treated in a manner ill-befitting Everton Football Club Company Limited in the 21st century. Had the other lot done this to one of theirs, we all would have been appalled. Righteously so.

Shame is ours, best of luck Oumar.

He was told that he had no future at Everton. It happens at lots of clubs – see Klopp and Sakho, see Mourinho and Schweinsteiger.

He claims that he had no locker whilst training with the Under-23s and some of you choose to take this as an indisputable fact simply on the basis that he said it. How do you know it is true?

If it is true, why didn't Unsworth, who posters are saying treated him so well compared to Koeman, simply sort it out for him?

None of us know what else has been going on behind the scenes and why this lad was not given a sniff by two successive managers do we?

Finally, why didn't Niasse just resign and claim constructive dismissal for his 'abysmal' treatment if it was so bad as he would definitely have won his case wouldn't he? After all, he could have called a few of the 'experts' on here as witnesses.

'Yes, your honour, I heard he had no locker.'

'I have it in good authority that he wasn't allowed bog roll when he had a shit at Finch Farm.'

'Apparently, he wasn't allowed pudding at lunch time on Koeman's express orders.'

'Someone told me that he was forced to train and play for the reserves and was only given £60,000 a week for this. It is akin to forced labour.'

Now because he's scored a few goals at Under-23s people want him to succeed at Hull just to demonise Koeman. Call yourselves Evertonians? Should be ashamed of yourselves.

We should all want what's best for us, not just trying to score petty points because you don't like Koeman. Ffs no wonder the fat Spanish waiter called us a small club with stupid comments like this from our own fans.

He's made other utterances, publicly, about individual players that I also regard as unprofessional, and I would hope and expect a change in behaviour in this respect. This has nothing to do with beating Koeman with a stick, or feeling sorry for Niasse (I don't, I don't know the guy), it's purely a matter of professionalism.

Could not agree more. He's a grown man for fucked sake. If a player's delicate sensitivities were hurt by a manager telling him the truth he should not be playing pro football.

No locker my plums. Where did he leave his clothes? On the floor? Not having that one I'm afraid.

BREAKING NEWS.
JOB AVAILABLE.WORKING TWO HOURS A DAY.
£60,000 PER WEEK SALARY

ONLY NEGATIVE IS THE BOSS TELLS YOU AS IT IS.

FORM AN ORDERLY QUEUE PLEASE

And yet we're meant to feel sorry for some of them. Sentimentality is not just a trait of our chairman then, but some of our fans as well. We need to get real and be ruthless, both club and fans, to stand any chance of success.

Nobody knows what Oumar's partner said to him .Why would he make up a story about a locker?

Captain Queeg, Ice Cream?If the locker thing is correct would Unsy go against the club manager and provide him with a locker?

The affair is coming to a close but it leaves a sour taste. Koeman is the club manager. A diplomat he isn't.

Koeman was one of the great defenders of all time; he would have played against the world's best strikers. He IS capable of deciding in 45 mins. that someone 'just hasn't got it'.

Niasse was married before he came to EFC. While he was in Russia, his wife was in Manchester. Having finally been able to live together, one can see why he might be reluctant to leave England quickly.

He said (in effect) I'm confident a Premier League club will sign me; well he was right, because they just HAVE!

No-one emerges well from this. Martinez signed someone who just wasn't good enough. Koeman was over-abrasive in communicating his decision, and Niasse was happy to tell his tale of woe to the Guardian (see #96 above).

It is to the player's credit, that he has worked hard with the youngsters, and had some success with them; he seems popular with the squad. But, success at that level, does not mean success in the first team.

Two (very) different managers have now come to the view, that he simply isn't good enough for a first-team spot. We have to accept that judgement, and wish him well in his new venture.

No locker my arse!

Kudos to whichever Everton negotiator sitting across the table managed to keep a straight face when Hull agreed to that! I guess from Hull's perspective, they are well and truly desperate. Shame they're not buying now.

Hopefully he scores a few jammy goals so they trigger his £10m option. If we manage to get anything back for him it will be a total bonus.

Should have given Martinez Niasse as his compensation payment!

So obviously he has said a few things to encourage him to pack his bags and save the club paying his wages. Nothing wrong with that.

'It will be hilarious if he starts rattling in the goals. It will make Koeman look very silly.
Win-win'.

Really? You think it is a 'win' to 'make Koeman look very silly?

Can you guess who actually looks 'very silly' here?

A really good balanced, non-judgemental view. Enjoy reading ToffeeWeb contributors with their heads screwed on bringing a reasoned view.

None of us have really seen him play so we cannot really comment. We need to trust someone that has played at the HIGHEST level to judge a player.

A little fed up with the negativity posts here that have gone on for years from Moyes to Martinez to Koeman. No one is above criticism but it happens so so quickly!!!

Great post, Nicholas!

I'm surprised people are criticizing the manager and the club's stance on the player over the last few months. It was clearly obvious when he got here he wasn't good enough for us. Even Martinez who bought him didn't play him.

The club tried to get rid this summer and by all accounts the player stood his ground and turned down the supposed loans that were arranged for him. Probably none were of interest to him and he was probably very happy finally spending time with his family, whilst earning an absolute fortune for doing nought.

The relegation to the U23s was honestly a great move by the club as in fact it kept some of his value. We've seen him turn out for the first team last season, and those 7 fleeting appearances were mostly diabolical. If he was still part of the first team picture, getting a couple of mins here and there (a la Kone), the rest of the world would see how poor he really was.

But, playing with the U23s with the kids and playing against kids, he's been banging them in against a lower standard. This has made him look good and probably why Hull are going to take a punt on him. The mess that club is in and the lack of decent players available to them, he's basically putting himself in the shop window for when they get relegated.

What Koeman did was to tell the world how he see's it. The easiest thing in the world would have been for Koeman to sit him down and say "Look lad, your not ever going to figure while I'm in charge." Job done.

The ostracism and public humiliation has been deeply unpleasant. they have not been the actions of a decent honest man; it's been unnecessarily nasty and does not reflect well on our club.

Let's just remember; this is the Koeman who told the world (again not the players) that none of the youngsters were ready – only to do a complete U-Turn having to select three of them within a fortnight.

The fact that they acquitted themselves wasn't what made him look a complete plonker, he'd done that himself with his idiotic statement. The guy can't see past the end of the day... He was always going to need them.

Ideally, Niasse would be going with our best wishes. most of us would have taken a mild satisfaction to read he had netted for his new club (like we do wen Big Vic scores). But now, half of us are desperate for him to fall flat on his face so Koeman will appear vindicated and the other half will be willing him to expose the Dutchman's crass buffoonery.

It shouldn't fucking matter to us, but mark my words, this divide will run until the end of the season. Every miss greeted with howls of derision and every goal seen as irrefutable proof of Koeman's incompetence.

As far as I'm concerned, he has only ever told us as he see's it. The longer he keeps getting it wrong whilst exonerating himself, The more hollow the claim "He tells it like it is" becomes.

I've said before. This is beginning to look a lot like the last regime. I still remember the joy with which Martinez's blue sky interviews were greeted. I wonder how long it will be for people to realise the difference between "Telling it as it is" and talking like Tony Soprano.

And maybe, just maybe, Koeman is doing exactly what a good manager should do with the kids, keeping their feet on the ground and introducing them gradually?

I too feel sorry for Niasse but I don't believe more than half of what our sensationalist press report anymore.

Which half are you in?

"Mark my words this divide will run to the end if the season"

What a divide that will run to the end of the season about a player who made five starts for Everton?

Slight exaggeration there.

As Tony Soprano would say.
"Forgeddaboutit"

The whole deal bringing him in last January absolutely reeks. He is not fit to play for us; yes, he (and likely all of us) would've snapped the hands off the absolute clown that offered £60k a week. But if I was offered £60k a week to do fuck-all other than train and take a bit of public slagging, I would happily do it. All those complaining about the way he has been publicly told to go and find somewhere else if they are interested in playing football, I cannot understand.

I was told years ago that I'm not good enough to play football professionally. I dusted myself down, found a career where I am under a lot more scrutiny and take a lot more shit off people – the public, the media, the two-faced snakes in government – and for about 0.012% annually of what our Oumar gets for being told a few home truths in public. So what?

People need to get a grip and he needs to get out of our football club. Like Koeman says (and I'm no Koeman fan, by the way), if he cares about playing football he would move on. Seems Niasse cares far more about cold hard cash. He represents everything that is wrong with the last managerial appointment and the loser mentality that should've left with it. Go elsewhere Niasse, find your level and with it you will find a locker and some fans that want you.

I don't care about him scoring goals elsewhere for him, or some misguided sense of retribution, or becoming a prodigal son. Anything that might help minimise the already-significant loss the club has incurred, is all I care about when it comes to The Curious Case of Oumar Niasse.

Oh, and whilst people carry on harping on about how St Oumar has handled himself so professionally, and with such dignity, during his spell at mean old Everton, let's not forget this... Everton FC striker Oumar Niasse in assault arrest.

Better in the air than Brett Angell (who had no wings, but I can borrow me mates daughters set, we had to walk around ASDA the week before crimbo and I ended up wearing them Sadly she didn't relinquish the halo, so I looked like a "whalehunter").

Great delivery from set pieces. (Honest). (OK, left side. Or very close to RHS touchline). Never missed a pen. Never got scared by the Icelandic "Hoo!" Was one of only three at Elland Road barking our troops on after their heartbreaker... And I can forever remeber the other two faces!

My own locker? No worries. Shirt number? 1878 Please... Sixty grand ? Bit steep TBH. Reckon that I could stump up a few quid tho.

And with my arse, I'll warm much more bench than most if these lazy bastards. (Gratuitous mention for "Byrnes Chippy" 4th generation Purebloods. Evertonian chippy since EFC became EFC!).

Good luck to Niasse. I'm not aware he's shat on us in any way; it's Everton that messed this one up.

I wonder how much Hull watched him before they made their approach or did he approach them and say he wants to remain living in Manchester area and that he'll play for them for reduced wages.

From some of the U23 reports I read he might have scored a few goals but he wasn't outstanding by any means.

"Slight exaggeration there"

I guess it depends on whether you actually understand what the thread is about or not. If you think it's about the player, then most of the posts have gone clean over your head.

The divide is not about the player; the divide is about the treatment of the player. Some think it's acceptable; some don't.

If Niasse isn't chosen, people will point it out and claim it is vindication of Koeman's actions

If Niasse plays and doesn't score, it will be pointed out on these pages and used as vindication of Koeman's actions.

If Niasse plays and scores a few, it will be mentioned on these pages and Koeman will be criticised; people will claim he got it wrong.

If Niasse scores a bagful, this place and every other place where Evertonians congregate will go into meltdown and Koeman will be absolutely slaughtered.

"Exaggeration"? We'll see about that...

Eddie. I'm not sure Koeman did speak to Niasse without an audience... but I know for a fact he belittled him to the press.

If you think he should be let go then you are of the same view as the fans as well as Koeman.

Whether Niasse ends up scoring loads of goals for Hull can't be known, so you can only make a decision based on reality (obviously). Sounds like you want to see what happens and then take a view of whether he should be sold.

Before I read your post, I thought to myself that we had been had over by Hull. Why would Hull pay £10m for a player that didn't produce?

However, looking at it from a reverse angle, if he does do the business, is there a place for him, if not sell him on?

It's not his fault that Martinez brought him in. We won't get £10m for him, so get what we can?

Now I'm not going to pretend that I know what's gone on behind the scenes and I'd love to know what happened before and during the decision to sign him in the first place. Has there ever been a stranger signing than this one?

I hope he does well at Hull. If people want to play confirmation bias with his success/failure, that's their choice.

You are usually more astute than that.

Martinez was derided for paying way too much for a player who many said wasn't good enough to begin with – I said it myself after seeing him just twice.

Koeman is being derided for needlessly trying to very publicly humiliate the same player – players have been moved on since time began without their managers acting the gobshite. The exceptions are seldom forgotten.

Of course you are right about both managers are taking stick about the same player Pau.l.. but they are being beaten with two very different sticks.

My post was a little attempt at lightening the mood.No offence intended. I didn't realise you can ask the editors to remove a post.

Again, no offence just a bit of banter.

Having since searched a little further, there possibly seems to be an unspoken chapter to this story.

As many here have said, "something fishy", perhaps the fishiness was less in the sourcing of the individual and more in the behaviour, if the investigation were to be substantiated (which appears not to be the case so far).

"Pokie John" (Niasse's wife) appears to have question marks over her legality in the UK. This whole issue (14/15 May 2016) predates Koeman's arrival Perhaps, it may explain the ostracising of Niasse. It doesn't explain his lack of ability.

Very odd indeed. Possibly a far bigger, darker story behind this. One which the club has chosen to close doors upon and walk away.

I think there are people who are genuinely upset at the way they feel Niasse has been treated. There are also people who are using this to add to their shopping list of reasons to disapprove of Koeman.

There's an awful lot about this whole issue that I'm sure we don't and possibly will never know. I wouldn't advise any manager to deal with it the way Koeman did, but I'd like to know the full picture before passing judgement. I can't help thinking there's a reason behind it.

Don't forget, after he was signed, Martinez hardly gave him a game... why? Because him and the staff decided he wasn't good enough. I'd also assume that, when Koeman arrived, he was given advice by Unsworth, Ferguson, Sheedy and Royle on the players at the club and was told Niasse wasn't first-team material,

Koeman is not to blame for this failure.

True; very true.

There is a divide, but it's not between the people who are criticising Koeman here.

167 posts and I don't see many people criticising Koeman for getting rid of the player. I don't see many that says Niasse is good enough for Everton.

I do however see an awful lot criticising the way Koeman acted towards another human being. It's a completely different stick to the one people beat Martinez with.

Put another way: If Koeman hadn't acted so crassly, there would not have been a stick with which to beat him.

"I didn't know you could ask the editors to remove a post "

Neither did I. The guys who run this site have been doing it for years, They do a fantastic job of keeping the standard where it is. That opinion does not change – even when they remove a post of mine.

As the post was a humorous one directed at yourself in an attempt to lighten the seriousness of posts, I thought it may have been you that complained. As I said earlier it was just friendly banter no offence intended.

You mentioned Tony Soprano I posted to fergeddaboutit re Niasse as a joke. When you didn't enter the jocularity I posted. "Oh Marone"

I can't see why the eds would remove that tbh.

A gentle harmless joke Darren no offence intended. It doesn't have to be serious all the time. Does it?

Same with Cleverley, he too may return at the end of the season, again unless he has a good spell between now and the end of the season. Maybe we might have a better chance of Cleverley being signed as I don't think Watford will get relegated.