Cleverley joins Watford on loan

He scored an important winner at Newcastle last season, so that alone probably paid his wages in the TV money for finishing 2 places higher and we paid nothing for him, so if we get £8m+ for him it represents great business.

If we get less than ٦m we would be throwing money away.

If that is not offensive, I don't know what is... but I suppose use of the term allows anything that follows.

Nothing against Cleverley but he has no more potential left. What you see is what you get. Hard to believe he managed 13 England caps. He's an average player who will be lucky to command a place on the bench soon. Davies is above him in the pecking order now. So his times done really.

I reckon we'd be lucky to get £5m though. Whatever the fee save a good amount in wages.

If he goes on a free, you send me a ٟ.

Mark, I'd save my money if I was you; you don't rate him, fair enough, but when Cleverley is transferred, he'll go for a lot more than you think, a whole lot more.

That's the reality of the market. Unless you have a club in mind. The thread mentions Watford. They'll not go that high.

On another note, anyone else watching the devils spawn somehow getting away only 1-nil down against Southampton? No doubt they'll turn that around in the 2nd leg.

Those facts alone mean that ٥m would be a minimum IMHO. Prices are ridiculous at the moment so Watford would consider Cleverley at ٥m an absolute bargain.

Hey, Hull are borrowing Niasse, ffs.

Also what's with all this loan shit? He's a 27-year-old England international who has been in England his whole career, and isn't injury prone... What more do teams need to see?

Cash deal please.

The time he's had with us he has basically been played out of position due to being unable to budge the midfield partnership of Barry/McCarthy and Barry/Gueye. Sticking him out on the left wing or in a predominantly defensive midfield role is not what he is.

£7-8M is a good deal for whoever buys him, seeing we just bought a 19-year-old League One player with less than 50 appearances for £11M.

OK, that's the only time I've seen him do that, and anyway, I think we should be doing better than TOWIE wives.

I think Everton and Koeman will be keen to move some players on. The manager to move on players he doesn't see as having a future and the club to recoup some of what it has spent, as well as reducing the wage bill.

I would take £7M for him if it meant we moved him on with some cash for us. Given the clubs that are interested I wouldn't be expecting much more by way of offers.

Together with Niasse, that will be 𧴜k off the weekly wage bill.

If it's permanent in the summer as Niasse could be, we could get around 㿀m in our coffers for players of no use to us. Would kind of make up for the wasted money on old Oumar seeing how we got Cleverley for free.

Just get shut of Gibson, Lennon and Kone and the fat will have been trimmed nicely.

Best he can hope is that someone will take them on loan and with a bit of luck they'll do really well and we'll get some money back on them.

Cleverley has been a massive disappointment. Never found a position that he could be consistently effective in and produced so little for us. Best free transfer.

One of the most sensational free transfers in Premier League history eh? Jeez!

He makes the team tick, brilliant on the ball, can pick a pass and got a great shot on him. Reads the game well and ferocious in the tackle.

Can't believe why Koeman is not playing him more often and he will absolutely thrive at another club.

Can some of you please re-post this on Watford, Newcastle, Villa fan forums and also forward to chairman of respective clubs. When you are selling, you big up your product, it is when you are buying you play down the value.

For Cleverley, it might mean he gets played in his proper position where he might prove his true value.

Best of luck to him.

Getting decent money for deadwood is never easy – as you say, someone has to want them, and all of them aren't good enough to be regular starters in the Premier League.

I hope we can get decent money for McCarthy, but think we'll struggle to get our 㾹M back – what's happened to potential 㿀+ M buyers of 2 years ago? I think they've lost interest 'cos he's no longer up to it, fitness being an obvious issue.

Removing players of his 'standard' is a step forward.

What is Cleverley's best position? At Wigan I recall he played well on the left wing, at Villa I believe he centre midfield... I thought he acquitted himself reasonably well when playing right-back for us.

Regardless of getting a decent run in the 1st team I don't think he ever showed enough to convince Martinez or Koeman that he was better than the options in the various positions he 'covers'.

All the best in your future, Tom.

Tom @37 – your description fits McCarthy perfectly i.e. no flair (& he nearly always passes sideways or backwards).

The problem being nobody wants those two or so it would seem. Tom just didn't do it for Everton, he wasn't the first and won't be the last, but at least he tried his best, for most of the time. Good luck to him at Watford, if that's where he ends up.

Cleverley has done nothing at all since he arrived here to suggest he could even be a mere component in our current bunch of misfiring misfits.

Getting rid of players like him – who will never help us win anything – is a positive step forward.

His level is significantly below even where we are right now and he belongs somewhere such as Newcastle and Watford, both of whom he is currently being linked with.

He's just Osman-lite and a waste of a first team place when picked.

Energy, decent pro, never heard a peep out of him. Sadly we won't notice he's gone.

Kone's contract expires in the summer, as does Jagielka's.

Slowly shifting the deadwood. Gibson and Besic probably in the summer too.

Gibson, Kone, Niasse and Cleverley off the books would be a good outgoing January window for us.

If Schneiderlin and Belfodil are confirmed to add to Lookman, I would still like us to add a couple more by the end of the window

His main problem is that everyone is getting bigger, and the likes of Cleverley, and Osman bet pushed out of the way.

Koeman is getting in some more muscle. It's a brutal League, and you need to be strong.

The most frustrating thing about Gibson is that when fit, he has been very good for us, much better than Cleverley, McCarthy or Besic in my opinion. Unfortunately though, I along with almost all Evertonians know, keeping him fit is an impossible task.

He'll do decent by Watford. Likely get some more regular playing time, and in his preferred central role. He doesn't have that opportunity for us.

Wishing him all the best. He deserves it.

Do I get a bonus for getting the figure right as well?

It makes Schneiderlin's fee sound a hell of a lot better if someone is prepared to pay that for Cleverley.

All the best all the same.

I guess it will be interesting to see where he plays at Watford but, if played in a more central role, will do a decent job.

Bloody hell. If we have a shirt for him then we really are devoid of ambition.

The most boring player in the history of football.

You asked if it was the Chinese in for Cleverley when I mentioned a fee of around ٥m.

Just saying mate !

More in and more out please as the revolution begins.

According to the incomparable EvertonResults.com Cleverley started 6 games in a row on 3 separate occasions and made 25 starts last season, so I think he had his chances but was nothing more than average.

He cost nothing and will bring in a decent fee so I don't understand the vitriol towards him and, with him gone, that frees up a place for Davies, so it's all good.

Minus the wages we paid him.

I think the point is that what we've already paid in fees and wages equals sunk costs, water under the bridge; the question is how much we can now get for him, and ٦m seems about all we can hope for.

For some reason he has managed to become one of the most unpopular nice guys ever to play the game. That petition really did shock me

Not being good enough never used to be classed as a crime, but players get paid so much these days...

With then TV money – that's probably most of the ١.75m we have paid him in wages.

Had he picked up the ball in our area and dribbled past the oppo and banged it in, then I'd agree with your statement.

The most bland wearer of "The Royal Blue Jersey", since Geoff Nulty. Speaks volumes when a player so moribund can get into our first eleven.

Good luck, Tom, wish all our squad tried as hard as you did.