Wednesday boss insists Hirst's future is with Owls

Friday 13 January 2017  29 Comments  [Jump to last]
Carlos Carvalhal says that Sheffield Wednesday have "big plans" for promising young striker George Hirst amid speculation that Everton are eying him for their U23 setup.

The Owls' boss was responded to questions regarding reports that the Blues were weighing up a bid for the 17-year-old who is the son of Wednesday goalscoring legend — and one-time Toffees transfer target — David Hirst.

“George is our player for the future and we have a plan for him,” Carvalhal said in an interview yesterday. “The worst we can do is try to put him in the first team too fast. He is not ready.

“He is a big talent but he must play in the correct moments. To play at Under-23 is the standard he needs.”

That wouldn't, of course, preclude a move to Everton's U23s for whom manager David Unsworth is on the lookout for reinforcements this month and Carvarhal admitted that what the player wants will play a large part in what happens in the future.

He recently extended his contract with the Yorkshire club until 2018 but they are keen to tie him to an improved, longer-term deal, particularly now that his goalscoring exploits at U23 level have started attracting attention from bigger clubs.

"He is under contract and I think the wishes of the player are more important. His father was a big Sheffield Wednesday player, a legend in the club, and the boy likes to be here.

"The wishes of the player in the future will drive everything. If the player wants to start a career here, the doors will be completely open."  

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Kevin Elliott
1 Posted 13/01/2017 at 07:27:32
And if the player wishes to come to Everton?
Gavin Johnson
2 Posted 13/01/2017 at 07:43:41
Don't think the lad would be interested in leaving Wednesday, at least in the short term. His dad was one of their greatest ever players. I should imagine he'll want to play in their 1st team.
Liam Reilly
3 Posted 13/01/2017 at 07:56:12
This is where the current system is broken.

Wednesday are a big club, who have the potential to compete in the Premier League again, but allowing asset-stripping of their young footballers (before they've even played in the first team) is just wrong.

If the Wimbledon or Coventry results had gone awry, then the same thing could be happening to Everton now.

Tony Draper
4 Posted 13/01/2017 at 08:00:39
Unless the lad has bigger ambitions than the faded Wednesday, Gavin @2?

Some people do. Just because a kid supports one club doesn't mean they can't see anything else on the horizon.

Andy Carroll?
Steve McManaman?
Steve McMahon?

Ring any bells?

Dave Abrahams
6 Posted 13/01/2017 at 09:15:06
Tony (#4) I don't think you can include Steve McMahon, he was helped out of Everton, given a push even by Howard.

Kendall who wanted money to buy Trevor Steven who was a very good buy.

Kevin Day
7 Posted 13/01/2017 at 09:41:59
“He is a big talent but he must play in the correct moments"

I had to double check who his manager was for a second.

Shane Corcoran
8 Posted 13/01/2017 at 10:05:42
Tony, what bigger ambition than playing for the club your father graced and the team you support?
Ray Roche
9 Posted 13/01/2017 at 10:09:47
Dave, I may be wrong here and I hope you can put me right on this, but didn't McMahon want to go to Liverpool but we wouldn't sell him to them? (We were more equally matched rivals then than now.) So he ended up going to Villa.

It seems strange that he was club captain (I think) and a top player yet we sold him after only 100 games. Wasn't there a contract dispute as well?

Dennis Stevens
10 Posted 13/01/2017 at 10:14:12
Perhaps to play at the highest level your ability & determination can carry you to, Shane – not everybody is a Steve Bull.
Patrick Murphy
11 Posted 13/01/2017 at 10:29:14
Ray (#9),

As far as I remember, it McMahon wanted a pay rise and, perhaps similar to Rooney, couldn't see Everton challenging for honours at the time. Howard Kendall desperately wanted to sign Trevor Steven and the fee received from Villa helped Kendall get Steven.

I can't remember if the other lot wanted him or if he wanted to go there prior to moving to Villa.

Brian Harrison
12 Posted 13/01/2017 at 10:50:32

Regarding McMahon some years back, I went to a sportsmens night at Dunnies club and the speakers were Howard Kendall, Steve McMahon and Alan Kennedy. There was also a question and answer session at the end of their speeches.

McMahon was asked was he a blue or a red he said he wouldn't answer but the inference was he was a blue. Then Howard was asked why he sold McMahon and he said that he tried to agree a deal with McMahon's agent over a new deal. At this point McMahon stood up and said he had never had an agent in his life, and the fact was that Howard had offered him an increase of ٣ a week extra for being captain.

McMahon said if being captain of Everton was only worth ٣ a week then something was wrong at the club. There was definitely a frosty atmosphere between Kendall and McMahon.

Barry Pearce
13 Posted 13/01/2017 at 10:52:31
Well said, Liam (#3).
Shane Corcoran
14 Posted 13/01/2017 at 11:06:11
Dennis (#10), perhaps but perhaps there aren't enough Steve Bulls or Matt Le Tissiers. In fact, are there any?

If this lad's good enough then he'll move on eventually, but much like Rooney, why not fulfill a non-financial boyhood dream (if there is one) before progressing to the highest level possible?

Alasdair Mackay
15 Posted 13/01/2017 at 11:11:33
Anyone know how the lad we got from Coventry in the summer is doing?

I worry that we sometimes buy these lads too young.

Remember Jutkiewicz and the lad from Oldham?
Also the midfielder from Bradford that got released.

David Pearl
16 Posted 13/01/2017 at 11:20:03
Unsy talked about 3 of his U23 squad being good enough to make permanent grade in the first team. Calvert-Lewin, Holgate and Davies. Two of those were bought recently. It would be nice if more local lads came through but it's an obvious business model to try to recruit kids as it could save millions in the long term.

I'm not a big fan of buying up youngsters from their local clubs but it makes sense to try to stockpile talent that can make the next step up. The new ruthless Everton. What I don't want is 38 players out on loan, like Chelsea... How is that allowed?

Ray Roche
17 Posted 13/01/2017 at 11:58:29
Brian (#12),

Thanks for that Brian, always good to have an insight into what goes on "behind the scenes" at clubs, things that, as fans, we have no inkling about until someones Biography comes out years later. Sad part of it is we sometimes get to see our idols with feet of clay.

I was also at a Sportsman's Dinner with Snodin as the guest speaker. His chat wasn't controversial but his recollections of his medical with Kendall were along the lines of "Are you fit?" "Yes." "Great, I'll open a bottle of Champagne," which he did and the two got wellied.

Very personable chap, though, and I had relatives at the time fairly close to Doncaster where he's from so we had a good chat about common places etc. as we had a drink afterwards.

Dave Abrahams
18 Posted 13/01/2017 at 12:50:20
Ray (#9), Brian has given a good explanation of Steve McMahon's situation between Howard Kendall and Stevie. I wasn't at the Dunnie's club but heard about it, there was no love lost between Stevie and Howard and it stemmed from their time together at Goodison.

At that time Stevie felt he was entitled to a good rise seeing as how David Johnson and Adrian Heath were on around 𨀼 per week and Stevie was on not much more than 𧷤.

I grew up with Stevie's dad, Tommy (Tucker), who was a staunch Blue, he told me Stevie loved Everton and Gordon Lee who gave him his debut at Sunderland (I think), the problems started with the meagre rise he was offered at Everton and caused the rift that led him away from Goodison.

In the end, both Stevie and Everton did well out of the move.

Dennis Stevens
19 Posted 13/01/2017 at 14:00:58
Shane Corcoran (#14),

There's nothing wrong with that, if it's what the lad wants to do. However, if that's not the way he sees his career progressing, he's quite entitled to follow whatever path he chooses.

Shane Corcoran
20 Posted 13/01/2017 at 14:25:04
Dennis, of course he is.

I was offering my opinion on it. I think it'd be great if he saw breaking into the Sheffield Wednesday team as something he wanted to do rather than leaving on a whim so early in his career.

Tony Draper
21 Posted 13/01/2017 at 15:30:09
Shane @8.

Playing for Everton rather than the faded Wednesday, I did say that, perhaps you overlooked that bit ?

To those questioning Steve McMahon's first allegiance. He was a ball boy at Goodison and a "Royal Blue" through and through.

I even saw him at the Boleyn when we were playing WHU, he was with Villa by that time. He was with three other lads, one (I think) may have been his brother.

I rate McMahon's departure as one of Kendall's greatest mistakes.

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Gavin Johnson
23 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:42:39
Tony @ 4.

I should think a young lad who is on the cusp of playing in the 1st team of the club he supports would want to play for them rather than knock about our U-23s. Especially as he'd be following in his dad's footsteps.

Why move now, when he can move to a big club in a year or two?

Bobby Mallon
24 Posted 13/01/2017 at 19:07:35
Shane Corcaran@14 we had a Steve Bull in Ossie and he was given shit on here season after season and he was a legend.
Dave Abrahams
26 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:17:14
John (#25),

Stevie was never a fan in the sense that McManaman and Robbie Fowler plus Ian Rush were never fans of Everton for the simple reason that they were too busy playing football from a very early age.

In the last three instances, I don't know too much about them, but in McMahon's case, I know that, when Stevie was a youngster, he would have wanted Everton to beat Liverpool in every derby game, the same as his dad.

It's more than likely McManaman was the same; his dad was a true Blue, but I couldn't vouch for that.

Mick Davies
27 Posted 14/01/2017 at 03:57:31
Bobby @ 24, I think you're getting into the realms of fantasy there, mate.

a) No club ever came in for Osman, he wasn't that good; and b) He was a boyhood kopite.

Darren Hind
33 Posted 14/01/2017 at 06:47:20
BTW; Young Hirst

If he's half as good as his arl fella, we would do well to secure a first option on him.

John Keating
34 Posted 14/01/2017 at 07:31:09
Dave (#26),

Yes, Dave you can definitely add McManaman to the true blue list.
Also add our jovial Sky pundit, Carra.

Shane Corcoran
41 Posted 14/01/2017 at 09:24:17
Tony (#21), I'm not sure why you're mentioning Everton changes the general point we're discussing. I'd like to see him, or more players generally, fulfilling ambitions like playing for their hometown club before focusing on their long-term careers, be that for money, playing at a higher level, or winning trophies. What Gavin said.

Bobby Mallon, I'm not sure what your point is; he shouldn't play for Wednesday in case he's not that good and gets abuse on a discussion board? This is about his ambitions, not how others react to them.

Rob Hooton
43 Posted 14/01/2017 at 09:50:16
Personally I think the lad would be best served staying at Wednesday and learning his trade – he might just end up bringing them back into the Premier League, Roy of the Robers style, and become a legend in his own right!

Too many youngsters are farmed by clubs (ourselves included) never to be seen again. How many of them might have made the grade learning their trade in the lower leagues? Guess we'll never know.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
47 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:54:31
As one of the moderators, I do apologize for Tony Draper's disgusting comment not being dealt with a lot earlier.

I'm closing this thread now.

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