Koeman hints at further transfer movement this month

Friday 13 January 2017  141 Comments  [Jump to last]

Ronald Koeman has indicated that Everton's spending for the month probably isn't over and he didn't rule out further outgoings from the squad either.

The Toffees have already brought in two players since the transfer window opened, with Morgan Schneiderlin and Ademola Lookman arriving for a combined initial outlay of £27.5m, and they have reportedly agreed a £10.4m fee with Standard Liege for striker Ishak Belfodil.

The Algerian was expected on Merseyside yesterday but he did not end up leaving Liege's mid-season training camp in Spain amid suggestions that the deal has been complicated by interference from agents, and he played the first half of his current team's friendly with Borussia Dortmund.

The transfer would appear to be in the balance but there is hope of at least one more to follow before the month is out.

“We're still working to improve the team and if we can find players and make a deal for one or two more players then we will do,” the manager said.

“But, OK, as we saw with Morgan, we had an interest in the player for a long time but it's not easy to do the deal and sometimes it needs more time than expected.

With regard to more outgoings in the wake of Tom Cleverley's move to Watford on loan and Oumar Niasse's departure for Hull City until the end of the season at least, Koeman wasn't specific but he gave a nod to more players being shipped out, either this month or in the summer, as he continues to revamp the squad.

“Most of the [existing] players know the situation and some players actually in the squad now don't have a future with Everton,” he concluded.


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Jack Cross
1 Posted 13/01/2017 at 16:56:42
Koeman said most of the squad at Everton, have no future at Everton.

I wonder how the player's will react to that statement until the end of the season.

I'm all for saying it as it is, but a bit blunt just before a match. Don't you think?

Chris Gould
2 Posted 13/01/2017 at 17:07:44
Did he say 'most' or 'some', Jack?
Christine Foster
3 Posted 13/01/2017 at 17:10:06
Let's guess... Lennon, Deulofeu, Barry, Robles, Jagielka... l am assuming he means match day squads. You may add big Rom to that because he will have had enough... and then Valencia.

Not much left is there? Reality check though... he may not find adequate replacements for some so expect to see a few given a reprieve.

Jack Cross
4 Posted 13/01/2017 at 17:10:59
Chris (#2),

He said "most", Chris.

On Radio Merseyside.

James Morgan
5 Posted 13/01/2017 at 17:11:13
Jack, I imagine it'll more than likely be fringe players like Gibson, Lennon, Oviedo, Deulofeu etc who will be departing. I doubt it will be the likes of Baines, CoIeman, Jagielka etc.

I hear many players say they prefer it when a manager is straight up with them so they know where they stand. Ronald certainly tells it how it is.

With two more to potentially come in plus whatever we do in the summer, next season the boss will have "his team" on the pitch.

Pat Waine
6 Posted 13/01/2017 at 17:13:28
This blurting out that players have no future with Everton is bad management by Koeman. These things need to be kept in house.
Dave Paul
7 Posted 13/01/2017 at 17:20:04
Barry just signed a new contract so I can't see him going anywhere – although why we offered another year I don't know. It's been obvious he can't press like Koeman wants. Could be a good coach though.

Lennon, Mirallas, Oviedo, Funes Mori, Gibson, Kone, Robles I wouldn't be too sorry to see the back of. Deulofeu, McCarthy and Jagielka, I don't want to go, but they haven't been good this season and could leave... if not in January, then in the summer.

Doesn't leave us with much, though!

Mark Morrissey
8 Posted 13/01/2017 at 17:26:49
Jack @ 1 "Some players" is actually what he says and that is not at all like "most". He's not saying anything that we or the squad don't already know with that comment. Some means 1 or 2.
Denis Richardson
9 Posted 13/01/2017 at 17:30:18
Jack (#1), think you're being a bit mischievous there. Koeman clearly didn't say most of the squad have no future! He said most of the squad know the situation and SOME have no future at the club – big difference.

That the likes of Cleverley, Niasse, Kone, McGeady and probably Lennon, Besic, Jagielka, Barry etc don't have a future at the club can hardly be a secret. None have played regularly and/or are old and coming to the end of their careers. Hardly a big miss if they leave.

The squad needed someone to come in with a big black bin liner to chuck away a lot of the rubbish Martinez collected. Add to that the many Moyes signings who needed replacing as they've reached their expiry dates.

Koeman is telling it how it is and if any players' feelings are hurt, well truth normally does. They've had it far too easy for the last 3-4 years with very little competition and a massive cloud of complacent has been hanging over the club for far too long.

On with the clear out.

Peter Laing
10 Posted 13/01/2017 at 17:33:06
It's been a very hard season in terms of the transition: early Cup exits, stuttering form, lack of general cohesion and the lack of a recognisable specific style of play. Koeman has had his detractors and there have been calls for his head on these pages and elsewhere.

However, personally I have found his brutal honesty and abrasiveness to be a refreshing change. Koeman calls it as he sees it, he has a mandate from Moshiri and is evidently prepared to execute it with ruthless disregard to those players who he feels do not measure up.

The latest statement continues with the theme of honesty; if we want to win, then the process of ridding the squad of the deadwood needs to continue unabated. Koeman is a proven winner and we need to get behind him and hope that the Club will reap the rewards.

Keith Monaghan
11 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:06:32
Spot on Peter @ 10 – great to see a level-headed sensible assessment. In total contrast to the hopelessly inaccurate statement @ 1.

I would speculate those he means have no future include Gibson, McGeady, Lennon, Kone, Deulofeu & Oviedo. In his shoes, I would add McCarthy & probably Barkley, although I know many would disagree, especially re Ross.

Anthony Dwyer
12 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:14:31
I think its great that Keoman has let the players know weather or not they have a future at the club, its better than keeping dead wood at the club.

Players get a genuine chance to sort out there futures, rather than just picking up a wage and sitting on our bench.

I respect the likes of Tom Cleverley for his willingness to move around looking for the best club for his own career rather than being a no-mark fringe player at us.

Some of the players futures look clear already:

Jagielka is past his best and due to retire or down grade his club as he's not first choice.

Barry has been given a new deal so I'd guess Ron wants him around the club.

Gibson, Niasse, Kone, McGeady, Garbutt, all clearly have no future at the club.

Cleverley has already gone.

Oviedo is obviously not first choice.

McCarthy needs answers, unless he's already had them as Ron has brought in two players in his roll already.

Lennon, Deulofeu and Mirallas clearly aren't convincing Ron when they play as they can't retain there place.

None of the two keepers seem to be convincing either although Ron seems to favour Stekelenburg.

Ross is the biggest enigma at the club atm as I don't think Ron is convinced, I don't think many fans are either, but imo he's easily in my favoured starting 11.

Dermot Byrne
13 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:16:22
Did you make a boo-boo, Jack?!!!!
Brian Hennessy
14 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:28:28
I think Koeman is proving to be exactly what we need in an manager at the moment – getting rid of several players who are simply not good enough and others who are too inconsistent.

I think it's refreshing that he appears to have told the players that he doesn't rate that they need to find new clubs.

Kunal Desai
15 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:33:21
It will be Lookman, Schneiderlin and a forward.

There are at least six players that need moving on, sadly that won't happen all in this transfer window. We will probably still need the likes of Oviedo, Jagielka, Lennon, Deulofeu and Mirallas to cover for suspensions and injuries. Koeman will have to be patient and wait until the summer before he can get all the deadwood out.

Colin Glassar
16 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:47:41
Bill will be horrified but I'm made up. If we are to move on from "nice little Everton" we need a ruthless sod at the helm.

Let's get rid of the deadwood throughout the club – from top to bottom.

Richard Lyons
17 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:49:20
Barkley has to be given more time to prove himself, and I'm sure Koeman knows that. If he does achieve his potential, he will become an Everton legend. I think (hope) McCarthy also has a future...
John G Davies
18 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:56:28

Including Kenwright.

Colin Glassar
19 Posted 13/01/2017 at 18:57:43
Starting with him and Sideshow Bob, John.
Chris Williams
20 Posted 13/01/2017 at 19:04:50
I await the flood of emails saying how harsh the manager is telling the lazy fuckers what the score is. These have let us down repeatedly for years now. Or how he should keep all this private.

Bollocks. He actually held the board to account last weekend and publicly too. And so he should have and now he's letting it be known publicly what we all know. This lot are not good enough,fit enough, hard enough or sadly, not young enough any more. A mighty wind is starting to blow.

As Colin has said, please let it blow out Bullshit Bill and his mate Bobby.

Soren Moyer
21 Posted 13/01/2017 at 19:14:16
Tooooo many deadwoods! How long will it take to get rid of those? My guess is 2 more transfer windows.
Stan Schofield
22 Posted 13/01/2017 at 19:14:48
Keith@11: Regardless of whether you're 'for' or 'agin' Barkley, it'll be interesting to see how a Gana, Schneiderlin, Barkley midfield combo pans out.
Kieran Kinsella
23 Posted 13/01/2017 at 19:16:11
McAleny and Gibson would be my guess
Stuart O'Malley
24 Posted 13/01/2017 at 19:32:00
In many way, Martinez's reluctance to upset the apple cart, pandering to the needs of the more senior players at the club, to the detriment of the teams needs, played a large part in his failure.

His refusal to drop Tim Howard, for example, when his career was obviously in serious decline, was symptomatic of his fear of upsetting the older pros in the squad. In a nutshell, we lacked strong leadership under Martinez.

In total contrast, Koeman has shown the strong leadership that many of us were crying out for. He is not afraid to drop the more senior members of the squad, Jagielka and Barry come to mind, or face down the board as he did in his interview after the Leicester game.

Okay, results haven't been perfect, but I for one find him a breath of fresh air, and find myself quietly confident that he may do a good job for us. Which, as a devoted Everton fan of nearly 35 years, is what scares me. As many on these pages have observed before, it's the hope that kills you.

Ed Fitzgerald
25 Posted 13/01/2017 at 19:44:49
The man is a motivational genius, we are seventh and now we are out of both cups we can concentrate on honing our elegant style of football to cement that seventh place. He has thus far spent around £71 million and I would give him even more!

I await with eager anticipation his next pearl of wisdom about how we aren't pressing enough, fit enough, it's the boards, Martinez's, Donald Trump's fault when we lose another game. It can be Ronnies can it?

His peerless record as manager is beyond reproach and I have no time for those on TW who say he is money grabbing, negative, arrogant, clueless tactician – who are these people and why should they be moaning when they have the privilege of paying a small fortune to watch this wonderful football???

Frank Crewe
27 Posted 13/01/2017 at 19:52:37
I think for some of our players the Leicester result was the final straw for Koeman. Maybe if we had stayed in the cup and had a bit of run at it these changes might have been put off until the summer. But it wasn't to be so we might as well bite the bullet and get on with it.

You never know. Maybe getting knocked out of the cup might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Everton have got more deadwood than the rain forest. Time to fire up the chainsaw.

Ian McDowell
28 Posted 13/01/2017 at 19:56:45
Koeman is quite correct. If we are to aspire to qualify for Europe on a regular basis and be challengers for the top 4 this squad needs a major overhaul.
Alan Bodell
29 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:00:32
Koeman doesn't do sentiment and about time we had a realist in charge here, it's so obvious that many of our current squad are not in his plans as to how many have performed (or not) this season.

This club is no longer a gravy train for under performing players not worthy of the Premier League and when he gets 'his' players in then I see a rosy future.

Stan Schofield
30 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:01:52
I've been willing to give Koeman time right from when he arrived, but it's not a black-and-white case of being 'for' or 'against' him. In reality, it's a case of assessing his performance realistically. Of course it'll likely take time, perhaps several years, to get us to consistent top-6 level with consistent attractive football. But it doesn't necessarily take much time to get improvement generally, incremental progress.

Apart from being firmer defensively, and decent signings, especially Gana which was a great signing, I can't see much if any evidence of real progress. This is not negative, it's just realistic, based on observation.

So for me the jury is out on Koeman's performance thus far, but I'll still give him time, subject to review. The review includes some of the odd statements made to the media, which to me look unprofessional. Perhaps this doesn't matter if it doesn't affect the performance of the team on the pitch, but it does matter otherwise.

Yes, there was bullshit with Martinez. But beware, those TWers who think Koeman's honesty is a breath of fresh air. It might well be, but it might be another form of bullshit.

The latter comes in various guises. I have to be a little sceptical about any manager who appears to direct blame to everyone except himself. It can be a classic sign of the politician. But I'll remain hopeful, if not realistically expectant.

Anthony Hawkins
31 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:07:22
For the record:
One = 1
A couple = 2
A few = 3
Several = 4
Some = 3 or more?
Stuart O'Malley
32 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:08:41
It wasn't broken in six months, so why do people expect it to be fixed in six months?
Chris Gould
33 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:09:38
I am a huge fan of Koeman. He was a better player than everyone we have at the club. He can look them in the eye and tell them they're shit if they're shit.

He doesn't need to pander to anyone as he is a bigger personality than all of them. He isn't afraid to take on the players and he isn't afraid to take on the board. He is exactly what we need during this transitional time.

David Barks
34 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:17:21
So um, off topic but, anyone seen the news about Conte telling Diego Costa to fuck-off to China?

Quite a few individuals have liked to use Costa as the model professional and team player that Lukaku should be. Funny development with him being dropped from the team of the league leaders and now being shopped to China.

Ian McDowell
35 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:23:46
David @ 34, that's interesting. I actually think the emergence of the Chinese super league could be one of the best things to happen for clubs like Everton. The real top players will be enticed over there due to the massive salaries on offer and it may make the EPL a lot more competitive.
Chris Gould
36 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:26:16
He's been offered £30 million a season by a Chinese club. It's an obscene amount of money and has turned his head. He's had a sulk because Chelsea don't want to sell.

It's crazy the amount of money the Chinese are offering. It can't be sustainable... can it?

Mike Berry
37 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:35:25
Chris (#33,

Totally agree, Ronald is just what we needed. However, I hope the faithful look at where we are at the start of the next season,as it will take the January and summer transfer periods to bring in the final pieces, and also move out the fringe/end of career type players.

This is not an easy task and patience is required!

Tony Hill
38 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:36:56
No it can't and won't last because there are no roots. A team is indeed, at least to a large extent, about its history and so is a League.
Ian McDowell
39 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:39:45
Tony, I completely disagree. History counts for very little in the modern game. Its money that matters.
David Barks
40 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:42:45

That totally depends on the country. The NFL is the behemoth in the US and moves franchises across the country with ease. History means nothing and they continue to be wildly successful. If the Chinese league buys the best players, and more and more players see their friends get that money and decide to follow, the country has the numbers to support it.

It is crazy but they're going for it. In many ways it's the Premier League getting a taste of their own medicine. England started spending massive amounts to grab players from all over Europe, Africa, South America. Those players didn't give a damn about the history, it was the pay check. But get enough of those quality players and yo build a product worth watching. It's going to be interesting.

Stan Schofield
41 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:47:32
What the Chinese are doing is no different from our own 'new era', it's just on a bigger scale. To be successful in a major sport, anywhere, you need passion, commitment, talent, hard work, and financial support. The financial support can facilitate all the other ingredients, because it attracts the best.
Tony Hill
42 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:50:19
Yes, I see that, David, but I don't think it's ever worked with football. NFL is a US game and has no serious international dimension. Football fans are loyal to their countries' leagues and the teams within them even if, as Ian says, money is now dominant within those countries and leagues.

I agree, though, it will be interesting to see what happens.

Tony Hill
43 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:58:36
Thinking about it, I suppose the many fans from Asia, Africa and the US, the "newer" football countries if you like, could be much more manoeuvrable and susceptible to a Chinese monster league and be prepared to shift their affections. That would lead perhaps to a European Super League and so on
David Barks
44 Posted 13/01/2017 at 20:59:49
I'd disagree again Tony. The reason the Premier League TV rights packages are so big is that internationally, fans of all countries want to watch the Premier League. People in the US who watch "soccer" support English clubs more than the MLS team.

The NBA in the US spends a massive amount of time marketing their sport in Asia and you will see NBA jerseys all over the place, just as you will see Manchester United jerseys in China. They don't have a tie to that community.

Ian McDowell
45 Posted 13/01/2017 at 21:01:00
Tony, I think that's a good point. The Asia market would be huge if the Chinese super league managed to take off. The potential viewing figures and TV deal would be astronomical.
Colin Glassar
46 Posted 13/01/2017 at 21:18:42
You can't just buy a football culture. The most the Chinese can attain is a relatively stable domestic league in a few years time that produces homegrown players and not some foreign mercenaries who will leave only to be forgotten.

The yanks tried to do it in the '70s with Pele, Best, Marsh, Cubillas etc... and failed. The Arabs have tried to do it as have the Russians with mixed results.

I love baseball but I know it would never really take off here even if we could bring over the Babe, Gehrig, Di Maggio, Aaron, Mays, Jeter, Clemente, etc in their prime because the vast majority of people over here prefer watching football or, heavens forbid, cricket.

I'm not sure what the main sport in China is (mah Jong?) but I bet it isn't footy and, if it wasn't for the government pressure, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Mark Morrissey
47 Posted 13/01/2017 at 21:21:28
Ian @ 35 – a wise man indeed.
Chris Gould
48 Posted 13/01/2017 at 21:48:33
We've been talking about statements of intent with our transfers, but if the Chinese were able to capture Costa then that would send shockwaves. Payet has also been tapped up by a club? From China?

Top players agents will be wanting a piece of the pie. They'll all be trying to convince their players to take the money on offer while it's still there. It's crazy to think that some of the best players in the world may end up playing in front of a few hundred spectators in a rubbish league.

𧼐k a week! Just got to stick it out for a couple of seasons and you're rich beyond your dreams.

Tony Hill
49 Posted 13/01/2017 at 21:57:16
But watched by many millions, billions, more on TV, Chris. Perhaps that would be the natural end of our corporatised, thoroughly corrupted sport. The echoing sound of money playing against money, viewed remotely.

We're already there, in truth, aren't we? And some of us, me included, were recently thrilled at the prospect of the Russians depositing their fortunes at our club.

You pay your money, and you take your choice.

Ian Brandes
50 Posted 13/01/2017 at 22:04:42
Wonder whether the proposed acquisition of a new striker will mean they will balance the books by selling Lukaku.

I would like to say 'Only Joking', but, sadly, I'm not!

Ed Fitzgerald
51 Posted 13/01/2017 at 22:12:29
Chris @ 33

Why does being a great player make you a great manager?

Wenger, Mourhino, Klopp, Ferguson weren't great players but they are better managers than Ronald by any measure – trophies, dealing with the press, fans. quality of football, etc.

Jon Withey
52 Posted 13/01/2017 at 22:17:22
Not sure that the Chinese buying a dozen superstars will make a league. Still, they only need to persuade Chinese fans.
Bill Gall
53 Posted 13/01/2017 at 22:58:45
Talking about Payet, by refusing to play for West Ham, is he not in violation of his contract? And does this give West Ham the right to not pay his wages. I would not like to see him at Everton – no matter how good he is.
Chris Gould
54 Posted 13/01/2017 at 23:10:51
Ed (#51),

Read my post again. I didn't say it did make him a good or even great manager. I said he was a better player than our players and can tell them they're shit if they're shit.

I'm not going to argue his merits with you or anyone. I believe he is the best man for the job.

Will Mabon
55 Posted 14/01/2017 at 01:07:46
What the Chinese will do to football in the coming years will act as a perfect cameo to show why we used to have global trade controls.

That nothing genuine will be done to stop it reinforces that globalism is being actively engineered into everything. Natural evolution it certainly isn't. Sport is no longer a bastion against the burgeoning "Change" ethos, and will become (even) more of a poster child for it.

In other words, enjoy our football as we know it, while it lasts.

Jason Heng
56 Posted 14/01/2017 at 01:44:09
If Koeman is so ruthless, why was Gibson given a new contract in the summer when his old one expired? Totally bizarre.
Chris James
57 Posted 14/01/2017 at 08:25:51
Koeman may or may not turn out to be the great manager or even the right manager, but he is at least a manager with a clear vision.

He's come in and assessed the squad and decided there's a fair number that don't fit his plans. Although most of these have been given at least a chance (I feel a bit sorry for Niasse tbh) he has remained clear to them in their status in squad and communications Now he's shipping them out on loan/sale.

Maybe we won't all agree with his decisions or evaluations, but as it stands he's in charge and has the owners behind him.

Mark Murphy
58 Posted 14/01/2017 at 08:51:29
"3 years and it's still crap – time to go Fergie"
Remember that?

Ron has been here what? – 6 months?

He may not turn out "as good as" Klopp and the other greats (wtf??) but let's give him more than 6 months eh??

Clive Mitchell
59 Posted 14/01/2017 at 09:12:46
Colin (#46) – "the most the Chinese can attain..."

Most people are Asian. So I think the most the Chinese can attain is a football system with the global pre-eminence the Premier League has at the moment. They wouldn't need to make an early impression in the European market.

It would lead to the Premier League deflating a fair bit. That will happen some time, inevitably. Right now though there has to be a possibility that Lukaku will be off to replace Costa this window.

Mark Murphy
60 Posted 14/01/2017 at 09:20:24
Clive , that's got me worried now – any substance in that or just a feeling?

Seems like Chelsea are taking a hard line with Costa – he's out of the squad claiming injury but the club have said they don't believe him...

Clive Mitchell
61 Posted 14/01/2017 at 09:24:23
No substance, but look at it from their point of view. You get a top young striker to replace a guy whose entering his last years, and probably about 㿀-30 million change.

If Costa wants the money (if?!) the only thing that would stop the deal is Chelsea's sense of their own importance – admittedly a mighty obstacle.

John Keating
62 Posted 14/01/2017 at 09:27:43
If Costa goes... will Lukaku go to Chelsea the next day???
Tony Abrahams
64 Posted 14/01/2017 at 09:54:29
And. Dembelle, to Everton, the day after that John?
Colin Glassar
65 Posted 14/01/2017 at 09:55:52
I really liked Koeman's latest interview. Completely ruthless attitude and he knows where he wants to go and how to achieve it.

It's obvious both Koeman and Moshiri are fighting an ingrained culture of mediocrity at every level at the club and this will take time to root out, starting with our Beloved Leader.

We are not a museum, we are not a charity case to be pitied and liked, we are not everyone's favourite "2nd team", we are Everton and it's about time we stopped fucking around and started to get serious again.

Phil Walling
66 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:01:17
If the Costa move to China breaks down, I expect Lukaku to be the next target. After all, 㿊M a year (after tax) is a decent wedge and his family and agent will want to see his career progress, won't they?
John G Davies
67 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:03:41
In a nutshell, Colin. The job starts now.

Cheerio to the acceptance that we are punching above our weight. It will take a little time.

I guarantee Koeman and Moshiri will improve this club. On and off the pitch.

Stan Schofield
68 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:09:40
When I was a kid, I remember some of the best chippies in Liverpool were Chinese. So no reason not to suppose they'll produce some decent footie teams. I know the chippies were predominantly Hong Kong Chinese, and the footie is predominantly PRC, but they're all Chinese at the end of the day.

I also knew a Chinese lad at school, and he was good at footie.

John Hughes
69 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:14:27
Jack Cross,

Koeman is quoted as saying: "most of the players know the situation, some of them actually in the squad now don't have a future at Everton".

This is something quite different to the way you have interpreted it. And let's face it, I realise that most of these guys are wrapped in cotton wool but if they haven't sussed that out yet then they really are as thick as pig shit, whether there's a match coming up or not!

Brian Harrison
70 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:15:44

The Costa move will not break down; Costa's agent Mendes is in China and the only debate is when Costa moves not if. I think this is the beginning of China taking over from the Premier League of the place to be to earn money.

I am sure that Chelsea will move for Lukaku, and maybe they might move before this window closes. I mean even if they agree to Costa leaving for China at the end of the season could they be guaranteed that he would be the same player till the end of the season?

Also would it upset the team spirit, so maybe Chelsea will buy Lukaku in the next 2 weeks and let Costa go right away.

John G Davies
71 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:18:03
Lukaku out?

Spend the money on Dembele and a Number 10?

That would do me.

Alan McGuffog
72 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:20:10
We must, MUST, move for Van Dijk. We have a Morgan, we will have a Virgil and there has to be a Wyatt out there.
One for our American Blues.
Ray Roche
73 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:22:03
Stan, a Chinese person's ability to make chips doesn't automatically mean he'll be any good at football or be able to run a football league. I mean, I know some Welsh lads who are the living proof that not everyone in Wales can sing. But, show them a sheep's arse...
Colin Glassar
74 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:24:26
If the Chinese want all these players then fine. Slap £100m plus price tags on them and let them go and rot in front of crowds who are coerced by local party officials to attend matches. Big Brother is watching.

Exaggerating of course.

Tony Abrahams
75 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:27:16
Funny Stan, anyone can make chips Ray, but it's the Flied Rice. Dembelle and Van Dyck, would do for me John.
Colin Glassar
76 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:34:47
I've never seen a good Chinese footballer. The ones we had were crap also all the others who've tried their luck outside of mainland China. The Japanese and Koreans on the other hand have produced some excellent players.

China, imo, are on the same level as Thailand, Malaya and Burma i.e. Shite. But if these guys want to go for the money, good luck to them.

I have to agree with Stan though, the Chinese chippies with their chicken chow mein and chips were special.

Eddie Dunn
77 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:40:00
The whole China league event is very interesting.

A while back, talking about breaking into the top 4, I was bemoaning the vast amounts of money available to the top teams compared to even what we may now have access to with Moshiri. I was complaining that the paying fan at the game is only valued as an aide to the atmosphere for the TV audience to enjoy.

Gone were the days where you could rock up to goodison, pay a few bob on the gate and watch your team. The club valued us because we paid the bill, and the clubs with bigger attendances had more clout in the transfer market.

I added, that if there was a serious economic meltdown, or a war, then the TV money could decline, and as that was all that was keeping most clubs afloat. If China starts to pay daft money for the star players, then eventually they will have a product worth watching and we will benefit because it will make it a more level playing field at home.

Obviously, at first, the likes of Man City, and Chelsea would try to cream off the best of what was left here. However, the gulf in class would be less obvious. Of course the Premier League, and the top European clubs could attempt to compete with the crazy money over there, but for how long?
It might actually help some of our home grown kids to have a career, as the mercenaries drift East...

Perhaps Klopp, Guardiola et al will find the attraction of Shanghai too great to resist... wouldn't it be nice?

John G Davies
78 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:43:04
Tony (#75).

Even better. What a bit of business that would be.

Joe Foster
79 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:44:33
Did you know in the Chinese league they have one stipulation, that all goalkeepers have to be Chinese.
Phil Sammon
80 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:49:24
A billion people and not a Premier League standard player amongst them.
Dave Abrahams
81 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:50:24
Stan (#68), yes, some of the best chippies were run by Chinese people but the very best chips were made by Johnnie Ginelli whose shop was in Christian Street, just off Islington. I can still taste them, made with absolute style, hhmmm.
Ray Roche
82 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:52:43
Anyone else notice the "Come and get me" plea from tomorrows referee Clattenberg last week. His thinly veiled "Of course, I'd be interested" in joining the Chinese (football) Revolution.

Do you think HE saw the £ signs or do you think he was offering to go and help train the referees over there, purely for expenses and solely in the interest of helping a fledgling League get a foothold on the global market.

Or is he a money grabbing shit...? As opposed to a biased shit...?

Stan Schofield
83 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:53:08
Colin, fair point about there being no top level Chinese footballers. Just wonder, though, if that would change if the Chinese state put a lot of resources into it.

I recall the best Chinese chippies (imo) were Yee's on Breckfield Road North (just as it turns from Robson Street), and Jimmy's on Smithdown Road (near Halkyn Avenue), both in the 1970s.

Jimmy's was so good that I used to get fish & chips, and a steak & kidney pie. Koeman would have liked the pie, it was one of Holland's.

Stan Schofield
84 Posted 14/01/2017 at 10:56:32
Dave, yes, must admit, some of the English chippies were also great, like Stan's on Robson Street. If only our team could me as good as these chippies.
Ray Roche
85 Posted 14/01/2017 at 11:04:55
Dave, Short's Chippy in Huyton Quarry is the best I can remember. Fabulous batter.

There was a chippy by Grant Road in Dovecot, at the end of Western Avenue, run by a German couple (they sounded German to us anyway) and they'd put the steak pies in the fat, along with the fish! I doubt if Jamie Oliver would approve but they were the dog's danglies.

Brian Harrison
86 Posted 14/01/2017 at 11:12:43
Just getting back to what will happen to Everton in this transfer window. Yes, it's good that both Cleverley and Niasse have been let go although both may come back at the end of the season, depending how well or not they have performed.

But I would hope long term that Everton were possible invest in a younger set of players. When you buy 28-year-olds for big money and usually pay the player top dollar, then when they are no longer a regular first team player it makes it very difficult to move them on. So you are left with an ageing squad as we have now and some of the older players had their contracts extended last year.

Now who sanctioned Gibson getting his contract extended, he has hardly kicked a ball for us in the last 2 seasons. So what club are going to take 30-odd-year-olds who will probably be on more than their existing players.

So we have a host of players around or over 30 that must be costing this club millions in salaries and little or no chance of moving them on.

So my plea is to start looking for younger players, for 2 reasons. First if after a couple of seasons they don't work out you can still sell them on and secondly having a lot of older players in the squad tends to stifle young players coming through the ranks.

Paul Conway
87 Posted 14/01/2017 at 11:26:39
They even hopped on the curry bandwagon and tried to put one over on our Indian and Pakistani brothers by impersonating Curry. There was never any chilli in china and curry was never a household dish.

They saw how popular it was among Brits so they decided to 'Shanghai' it, to make a tidy profit. I blame Marco Polo!

Stan Schofield
88 Posted 14/01/2017 at 11:35:07
Ray, I live in Scotland now, and they'll plunge anything into the fat if you ask them to.

There was a chippy on Westminster Road who put pies in the fat, but I can't remember what they were called (the chippy that is, not the pies).

I had a deep fried Mars bar a couple of years ago. It was after lunch, so I had it as a dessert with coffee. It was very nice.

James Morgan
89 Posted 14/01/2017 at 11:40:19
The whole Chinese mega-spend will die off before long. The Russians and Arabs tried it and it failed. I think I'm right in saying each team can only have three of these so called superstars, plus the government has already spoken about putting a cap on the fees and wages etc.

There is no history and no demand for Chinese football. I can understand players wanting to cream it while it lasts, although if you're already earning 𧵎k a week, earning 𧷤k plus a week isn't going to change your lifestyle any more. Someone like myself though, doubling my wages would allow me to get a bigger house, nicer car etc, it's not the same for these footballers.

The players with ambition who care more about a legacy and prestigious trophies will stay in the main top leagues, the money chasers will end up in China.

But in thirty years we will say "Do you remember Axel Witsel?"... "Who?"

Paul Tran
90 Posted 14/01/2017 at 11:40:36
Whereabouts in Scotland are you, Stan? Have you tried pizza crunch yet?
John G Davies
91 Posted 14/01/2017 at 11:45:04
Dave, when we were kids, before we went on the ale after the game, we used to go to Gianelli's after the match.

A long time ago, Dave. If I remember right, you could sit down at white stone tables?

Chris Williams
92 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:04:12

Clattenberg is a biased money grabbing shit. Always a bit of an odour around him.

Really good interview with Koeman in today's Guardian. One thing he makes absolutely clear is how well he works with Walsh, and how they get on. Which makes it pretty clear who he was getting at in last Saturday's rant.

He's not messing about – that's for sure.

Pat Waine
93 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:08:50
Will Koeman still play hoofball, whack-it-forward football, even when he has his own men in? I hope not – it's not acceptable and should not be tolerated by the fans.
Stan Schofield
94 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:18:03
Paul, it's Stonehaven, near Aberdeen. I've not heard of pizza crunch. It's not by any chance deep fried battered pizza?
Paul Tran
95 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:22:13
You're spot on, Stan. I still recoil at the sight of a pizza plunging into the vat of fat! I'm a couple of hours west in Nairn. What's the name of that really good chippy in Stonehaven?
Colin Glassar
96 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:29:43
Stan, there's a great chip shop in Stonehaven (can't remember the name) but the best chippie in Scotland, imo, is in Dufftown and the distillery is just down the road. Chips and brown sauce, a Scottish delicacy.
Colin Glassar
97 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:32:25
The Bay fish and chips, Paul. The Square is also very good. Nothing like soggy chips in Liverpool though.
Stan Schofield
98 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:33:58
Paul & Colin, the best chippy in Stonehaven is the Bay Chipper, on Stonehaven Bay. The hand-dived scallops are superb. The Carron is also very good, and that claims to be the home of the deep fried Mars bar.
Stan Schofield
99 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:36:41
Colin, Sandy's was in the Square, but it had a big fire a couple of years ago, so it's a different owner now, but still good.
James Morgan
100 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:37:11
Chris, the thing with Clattenburg is that referees don't earn a fraction of what the players do, so if he can get paid say, £1m a year, and he does three years out there, that's life changing for him. Wouldn't blame him one bit, though I agree he's top bell end.
Stan Schofield
101 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:39:10
Colin, the soggiest chips I had was from Charlie's on Robson Street, a Greek chippy. Soggy, but good.
Paul Tran
102 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:39:40
Cheers Stan/Colin. It's the Bay. I did some work in Stonehaven a couple of years ago and it was recommended. Fabulous!

I don't miss the soggy Lpool chips, unless I'm half-cut and/or eating them on the way to Goodison.

Colin Glassar
103 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:42:11
Love soggy chips and mushy peas with some bread and butter.
Stan Schofield
104 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:42:35
With income like that, Clattenburg could afford to eat from the very finest chippies.
Dave Abrahams
105 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:43:45
John G Davies (#91),

Yes there was one long table in the shop, don't know if it was ever used because there was always a queue in the shop and no room to sit down.

It is rumoured that plenty of stars appearing on the Empire would send over to Johnnie's to order their tea from there.

Paul Tran
106 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:51:43
Stan, he could eat as much chips as he wants. No need to keep up, just give decisions to team in red.

You can send any one of those Stonehaven chippies to Nairn, not so good here!

Stan Schofield
107 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:56:16
Paul, like Alf Tupper, who ate about a ton of chips before every race.

Surprised the chippies in Nairn are no good. Making chips is like football isn't it, simple really, but difficult to do well.

Colin Glassar
108 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:57:18
The Ashvale in Aberdeen was voted the best chippie (chipper in Scotland) in the U.K. For about 10 years running until they pulled out, voluntarily. Their white sausage supper is legendary.
Raymond Fox
109 Posted 14/01/2017 at 12:59:59
Marvellous thread about chippies, you can't beat good chips and fish eaten out side with plenty of salt and vinegar. I remember as a kid getting 4 old pennies worth of chips.

We do need fresh players, or should I say better players, I just hope we do not swop like for like. We need a couple of outstanding players to really make a difference.

As far as players going to China is concerned, you can't blame them, 2 or 3 years over there, earning the silly money being offered, adds up to a very large retirement sweetner.

Paul Tran
110 Posted 14/01/2017 at 13:02:22
They're okay, Stan, just nothing special. When we lived in London, there was a brilliant chippy called Big Bites, next door to Willesden Green tube. Always cooked in groundnut oil and 5 mins from our flat.

We would often see Ken Livingstone in there, who was always happy to give and take banter and eat the people's food!

Colin Glassar
111 Posted 14/01/2017 at 13:07:29
One of the best fish related threads I've seen was on the live forum in the latter days of the Martinez reign. The game was so boring the conversation soon drifted onto fish and lasted well after the game finished. You codn't believe some of the puns.
Phil Sammon
112 Posted 14/01/2017 at 13:16:32
Can't help but feel like I should contribute something here.
Mike Hughes
113 Posted 14/01/2017 at 13:16:39
Colin - how did the thread fin-ish?
John Keating
114 Posted 14/01/2017 at 13:21:37

I've got a funny feeling another chippie thread will start up around half-time tomorrow.

Kevin Day
115 Posted 14/01/2017 at 13:33:46
All this talk of the Chinese super league taking over.

They are missing one main ingredient which they cannot duplicate.

The UEFA Champions League.

Stan Schofield
116 Posted 14/01/2017 at 13:49:32
Phil@112: I used to work with a bloke called Steve Haddock.
Stan Schofield
117 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:03:24
Colin, went to the Ashvale about 20 years ago while working in Aberdeen, had 'the whale', massive piece of fish and a big portion of chips. If you could finish it, they'd give you the same again, or a dessert, free. I had neither, because I was heaving, but a colleague had another whale, and ate it, but he was a big lad.

Paul, I'll check out that chippy in London.

Chris Williams
118 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:08:07
I used to know a bloke called Mike Trout
Mike Allen
119 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:08:57
With the Costa situation at Chelsea, maybe Lukaku's agent is thinking of a big money move might liven his client up be interesting over next couple of weeks.
Colin Glassar
120 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:09:16
I used to stand in the haddock, errrm, paddock Stan.

Brady/Brody got battered as usual, Mike.

John Crook
121 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:10:54
Go out and buy Benteke and stick him up front with Lukaku. This would satisfy Everton fans in many ways. He scoring record has never fallen less than 1 in 3. It would keep Lukaku happy. It would improve the profile of the club (having the best up coming international team's strike force up front).

It would mean Everton have the chance of either Lukaku or Benteke should Koeman want to play just 1 striker. It would also give the option of playing Benteke in the current Lukaku role and allow Lukaku to play in a slightly wider role were his running inside at players could be really effective.

Benteke is much better in the air than Lukaku which means we should start to score more from crosses and set pieces. Go on Farhad, 㿏 million (a ١ million profit for Palace in only 6 months) and maybe throw Kone in as well.

Chris Williams
122 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:13:42
I see the latest Belfodil reports are saying it has been over complicated for all sorts of reasons, but now Everton are having a change of heart about signing him. His agent has spent the last 4 days at the training camp working on it full time seemingly.

All over the show.

Eric Holland
124 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:17:07
Best fish and chips ever was in Whitley bay with batter sprinkles on.
Phil Sammon
125 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:18:51
So many compare Barkley to Dele Alli. How is it Spurs can fit two defensive midfielders, Wanyama & Dembele and two creative mids into their team?

Dear God, please get someone like Eriksson... say Sigurdsson, to play alongside Barkley. We've tried everything with the lad... apart from giving him some support.

Chris Williams
126 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:19:02
I came to enjoy curry and chips and a chop suey roll when I came out of the Warbreck after a full night.
James Hughes
128 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:23:53
I see Spurs have won 4-0 and Dele was again outstanding, Kane got a hat-trick.
Paul Tran
130 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:38:39
Colin, stop carping. There's a time and a plaice for that.
Gordon Crawford
132 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:42:19
I suppose if I was presented with an opportunity to earn that much money, I would seriously have to considered it. So I don't blame Costa for wanting this opportunity. At the same time I think he should be respectful and not throw his dummy out of the pram.

China will change the face of football forever. Yes they can sustain it with the wealth they have as a nation. But I don't think their league will ever be a threat to the Premier League.

Now back to topic. Ronald was spot on in what he said about certain players not being in his plans. But I don't agree that he should have said that in public. That's a private conversation between him and those players. I also think he should transfer list them if they are not in his plans. After all it's only fair to the players.

He is brutal which I don't always like. And he has said things which wind me up. But he is very honest which I do like in a person. And I'm glad that he challenged the board on signing players, it's about time someone did. So here's to a positive window. :)

Jay Wood
133 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:42:49
On the question of which is China's most popular sport and football's place in the country, I think there is a way to go before the Chinese professional league can be seen as a serious challenger to the Premier League or other major European leagues.

Yes, the Chinese government wishes to raise the profile of professional football in the country, but that is only one part of a broader program intent on getting more Chinese participating in active sport.

Statistically, basketball is the most watched sport and has the most active participants – 300 million regularly play the game! Unsurprisingly, table tennis and badminton are also played by 100s of millions, principally because they are cheap and easy to set up and play. For this same reason, cycling and martial arts are also popular participation sports.

In this regard, football is a long way behind with facilities for the general public to play limited. Indeed, it is only since November 2014 the government declared football should be part of the national school curriculum. It will surely take a generation or two before a steady stream of Chinese football talent emerges from that initiative.

As for the 'draining' of talent on mega wages to China, yes, the headline names are catching and the supposed wages eye-watering. But in the main there is a lot of dross amongst the foreign players recruited to the China League, a miniscule number of genuinely top, top players (and not one of them currently in their prime, but rather, close to midnight in their careers) and then a sprinkling of players – such as Oscar and Witsel – who have clearly taken the coin over professional ambition.

Check out this full list of foreign footballers plying their trade in China. It takes some filtering to pick out any players of note. Most leave you asking: Who...?


Yes, the Chinese are avid followers (and gamblers!) of European football, but there has actually been a fall-off in interest in their domestic league and the national side because – basically – whilst the Chinese are outstanding in many sports, they are crap at football!

The Guardian recently ran a good article on the phenomena. Read it here:


I think the fatted cow of the Premier Leaguewill continue offer good suckling to its members, unchallenged, for quite some time yet.

Dave Long
134 Posted 14/01/2017 at 14:47:47
Kevin Day, the Champions League is here too in Asia.
Mick Davies
136 Posted 14/01/2017 at 19:55:26
Wrong about Chinese players above: There have been a few, including our own Lie Tie who was immense in the DM role until his injury (national duty yet again), and Sun Jihai(?) was a mainstay of Man City's side for years.

I can predict what's going to happen in the future – Chinese wealth (Communists my arse) will lead to Premier League and Champions League matches being played over there, and a few greedy bastards will destroy our national sport for filthy lucre

Darren Hind
137 Posted 14/01/2017 at 20:43:12
Visiitng me arl fella in the Royal one time. Sammy Kam – who used to have a chippie facing the Parrot (next door to the Europa) was in the same ward.

When I asked him why he served crap towards the end of the night he laughed and replied "You scousers will eat scabby dog when you've been drinking".

I was outraged and turned to me arl fella who just looked at the fella in the next bed and they both said together "He's got a point lad" ... all three of them fell about laughing

I didn't go near that chippie again!

Tony Abrahams
138 Posted 14/01/2017 at 21:03:02
What about the chippy, by Eldon St, Darren, were the kids have wrote a big "leave the fish alone" on the side of it?

Hilarious that, and also probably true of Lukaku, when the top teams, are looking for a top forward!

Paul Tran
139 Posted 14/01/2017 at 21:17:58
There was that Chinese place in South Road, Waterloo that 'got a visit' from environmental who found dogs in the fridge. From then on the story was that the menu only went from 1 to 6!
Stan Schofield
140 Posted 14/01/2017 at 22:40:10
Darren, there's nothing wrong with scabby dog, so long as it's in the right containment. Like thin batter, using the finest real ale, and cooked very rapidly in the hottest fat. Or in pastry, to form a top quality pasty, rolled and shaped to perfection with the cool hands of a fine woman.
Ray Roche
141 Posted 14/01/2017 at 22:45:52
Paul Tran (#139),

Ah, the old "dogs in the freezer" tale... tail? If I had a pound for every time someones said "They raided so and so's chippy (but usually an Indian restaurant for some reason) and found dogs hanging in the freezer", I could by a new stadium in Bramley-Moore Dock.

Stan Schofield
142 Posted 14/01/2017 at 22:51:35
Ray, nobody can afford a new stadium in Bramley-Moore Dock. Apart from some Russian plutocrat called Usamov, apparently.
Ray Roche
143 Posted 14/01/2017 at 23:03:49
What's he got to do with a Beagle in a freezer?
Stan Schofield
144 Posted 14/01/2017 at 23:14:21
I suppose nothing really (apart from being able to afford unlimited numbers of Beagles). Perhaps Bramley-Moore Dock had something to do with it.
Dan Egerton
145 Posted 15/01/2017 at 04:46:43
He said most of the players are aware some don't have a future. Not that most don't have a future.
Matt Traynor
146 Posted 15/01/2017 at 06:12:41
Ray (#82), Chris (#92), if you recall a few years ago Clattenburg was suspended by the FA. It was over a financial dispute in his business. If I recall correctly, he had an electrical contracting business with a partner, and his partner had brought a case against him over financial mis-management. I think Clattenburg took the FA to a case to get reinstated, which he did, and now all of a sudden the media proclaim him as the top English ref??

I think when they first went full-time they were on a 㿲k a year package. Previously as "amateurs" they had to get agreement for time off from whatever profession they were in and only got expenses.

The money out there would be a life-changer for someone like him. Especially when you consider how much he could top it up by giving / not giving certain decisions in games...

Tony Abrahams
147 Posted 15/01/2017 at 08:47:50
He his definitely the best ref in the league though Matt, even though this doesn't say a lot! (Maybe Oliver?)

We all know that he's a personal fucker though, having been on the wrong end of it ourselves, but Clattenberg strikes me as being the only ref out there who might have actually played the game?

That last sentence, Matt? Couldn't agree more.

David Logan
148 Posted 15/01/2017 at 20:48:54
Everton need players like Van Dijk and Forster in at the back.

However, Gibson, Kone, McGeady, Cleverley and Niasse are clearly surplus to requirements. Lennon, Deulofeu, Rodriquez, Ovideo and McAleny are obviously not fancied either!

I think there will be more players leaving in January and in the summer. We need proven quality players not bargain-basement free transfers

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