Koeman plays up another clean sheet

Saturday 11 February 2017  114 Comments  [Jump to last]

Ronald Koeman appeared satisfied with a point from today's visit to Middlesbrough where Everton were held to a goalless draw for the first time in his tenure.

Victor Valdes pulled off three good saves to deny clear goalscoring opportunities for Romelu Lukaku and Ademola Lookman and Joel Robles made a spectacular late stop to foil Rudy Gestede but the Blues struggled to create enough chances overall.

The manager was pragmatic about how difficult a side Boro are to score against while he was very pleased with another clean sheet after conceding three at home to Bournemouth last Saturday.

“I think it's a fair result,” Koeman said. “I think we had the best open chances in the game. Of course, they had a good header at the end but I think we had two good open chances — first half Romelu, second half Lookman.

“Difficult… difficult conditions, difficult to create. They have really good defensive organisation and I think in the last pass, they were maybe a little more aggressive to try to score than we were.

“We controlled it but we needed to be better with our ball possession to create more. Finally, it's OK. It's one point, that's good.

“A clean sheet is really positive,” he continued. “Every clean sheet is at least one point and normally we create but still today, we had the best chances in the game.

“We did not score but a clean sheet is positive. We need to keep this momentum and then we will finish strong.”


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Jim Bennings
1 Posted 11/02/2017 at 19:24:25
At least we are harder to beat this season, that counts as some progress alone I suppose.

Today's game was everything I expected, we came up against a defensively good team, a shame we didn't try to push more men forward though and we need to be more clinical, especially away from home, where generally chances are fewer.

I'll take the 7th this season now and build in the summer, still think there's more fine tuning to do before we get to where we want to be.

Raymond Fox
2 Posted 11/02/2017 at 19:56:28
The match was predictable, a draw was always likely. There's no walkovers away from home and the game was the shortest price in the Premier League for a draw.

I think it tells us once more that we are not quite top 6 material yet but I believe we will be at the start of next season. We are still short of a couple of real world class players that will make all the difference between draws such as today's and wins.

Jim Hillier
3 Posted 11/02/2017 at 20:00:28
Liverpool getting well beat by Hull presumably confirms that they ARE top 6, Raymond Fox?

I don't see it that way. I see it as a day when we continued an unbeaten run despite the weather and despite the anti-football of Boro. You pays your money and makes your choice, I guess.

Russ Quinlan
4 Posted 11/02/2017 at 20:04:30
It's difficult once we start getting results because we begin to expect wins all the time. Given the fact the current top 6 were well in front of us after the mid-season run of crap results, at least we are closer than we thought we might have been after that period.

As much as I'd love to beat the RS (or others) to a top 6 position, we have to remember its Koeman's first season and he has already got rid of some of the deadwood. After the previous seasons, a 7th place finish (as a minimum mind you!) would be a good starting point for next season.

It would be nice to run away with 7th so that, if any of the top 6 do drop away, we will be well placed to take it. I reckon this season is all about consolidating and getting a good basis for next season.

David Morgan
5 Posted 11/02/2017 at 20:08:33
We need to change days like today into wins by next season if we want to achieve anything. The substitutes offered nothing in attack when they came on and then he settled for the point by bringing Barry on, can't blame him really.

Will Bolasie be the answer next season and move us up the pitch faster? Will the relatively new midfield need time to gel before these games turn to wins? Will we need more signings? Is this our best formation?

Whatever the answer, we need to find it and turn up at the likes of Boro', Stoke, Sunderland, Swansea and Burnley etc and take 3 points next season.

Peter Mills
6 Posted 11/02/2017 at 20:25:27
David (#5), we have garnered a decent 5 points away from 4 games at Boro', Stoke, Sunderland and Burnley, with Swansea still to come. Not spectacular, but 1.25 points a game from away matches would normally satisfy European contenders.
David Morgan
7 Posted 11/02/2017 at 20:38:18
I meant bottom- half teams in general. We still have Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and Man Utd to play away, plus some relegation fighting teams, I suspect your 1.25 points per game is high based on that.

I know we aren't going to win them all but we have to find a way to win most of the winnable away games. To clarify, I am happy enough with the point; I just mean if we want to win things or reach the Champions League, we need to go one further.

Peter Anthony
8 Posted 11/02/2017 at 20:46:00
A clean sheet was important after shipping 3 in the second half last week. Could so easily have been 3 points but for 2 good saves from Victor Valdes.

After the Koeman brothers talked up Rom's 'better than Van Basten' and 'World Class' finishing prowess this week, I thought it nailed on arm would be firing blanks today..

Massive thanks to Joel Robles for the superb save to preserve the clean sheet. Here's hoping the boys can take out their frustrations today on Moyes's Sunderland.

Mick Davies
9 Posted 11/02/2017 at 21:03:19
Yeah, our last 3 home scores are 3, 4 and 6, so I think Moyes will be having nightmares about returning to Goodison. Last time he was here, he got the sack – could history repeat itself?
Bobby Mallon
10 Posted 11/02/2017 at 21:08:20
That was a good away point. We will catch Man Utd. It will happen once they start European football again. The Europa League is the only way Man Utd will get Champions League football next season so that will be their main priority.
Steavey Buckley
11 Posted 11/02/2017 at 21:11:48
Everton were basically poor today, interrupted with good moments. It does appear if Lukaku is not up for it, as the today's game shows, Everton have no fire power or inspiration.

Yet, a player Everton were interested buying from Napoli in the summer is scoring goals for fun for Southampton for just £13 million. In contrast, Everton had a quiet winter transfer window.

Tony Hill
12 Posted 11/02/2017 at 22:06:11
Hope you're right, Bobby #10. I'd given up on anything better than 7th (8th) after today but, as always, I've got more optimistic as the night and the ale move on. 7/8 points is catchable. Problem is we've got some nasty games away.

Fool that I am, I have rekindled my hope. I've even persuaded myself that 2nd/3rd isn't out of reach. Blind and ridiculous faith – that's what we need.

John Pierce
13 Posted 11/02/2017 at 22:18:31
I think in our recent history I would expect to go to 'Boro and win. Our record there is good, their position is rarely above us so today was disappointing, regardless of the season we are having.

Today for me is on Koeman. Errant in his formation, exposing our centre-backs and clogging the midfield. We at several points were 4-5-1 without the ball.

Rom, starved of a partner, became starved of the ball. Can't blame him there, I think it showed when clean through, thought he snatched at it.

We are harder to beat, true enough but that's come mostly through a 3-5-2. Baines especially was so worried by the erratic Funes Mori, he barely ventured forward.

Maybe Koeman wants to experiment, which to me sends the wrong signal that perhaps we are stuck at 7th.

I looked at the clock with 10 mins left and said to myself, I'd rather lose going for it. But it just peetered out. There was no control in the game, unlike at Palace when you just knew we would score.

Let's hope that he reinstates Holgate and the balance that comes with it and we should see a repeat of the 7-1 v Sunderland from November 2007!

Phil Sammon
14 Posted 11/02/2017 at 00:02:01
I'm shocked that so many, including Koeman, are happy with the point. Seeing the manager, near the end of the 90 minutes, pick the ball up and saunter towards Coleman before handing it over – it was a really sorry sight. The whole team lacked urgency all game and it's something I felt Koeman would be furious about.

The performance actually felt very Martinez-esque. Every time a midfielder received a ball to feet, it was bunted back to where it came from. Possession seemed more important than actually doing anything with it. I lost count of the ponderous passages of play eventually ending with Williams or Joel hoofing upfield.

The bench looked very light, which was a bit of a concern. I suppose Mirallas, Bolasie and Henen could all have offered something if not for injury.

Our defence were well organised and deserved their clean sheet. I'm struggling to see the positives elsewhere.

James Stewart
15 Posted 12/02/2017 at 00:18:46
I thought we badly needed another forward in the window and it showed. We had no quality in an attacking wise on the bench which is frustrating considering our ambitions.

The top 6 are not in reach anymore and this season will have to just be about consolidating 7th which I guess is just about good enough.

Eric Myles
16 Posted 12/02/2017 at 00:33:02
"The performance actually felt very Martinez-esque"

My thoughts exactly Phil (#14) too much passing around in our own half and not moving the ball forward. I also thought Boro showed more attacking intent.

OFM will probably be full of praise for Koeman this week and claim credit for teaching the team how to play that way.

Gary Russell
17 Posted 12/02/2017 at 01:20:05
The negative posters, think about the weather. Wind, freezing sleet and rain. They are not robots bereft of emotion. Tough conditions.
Derek Thomas
18 Posted 12/02/2017 at 01:43:07
Gary @17; How shall I put this? ah yes - Balderdash, spelt with a 'B' some 'O's, a few 'L's and a 'C,K,S.'
Mark Andersson
19 Posted 12/02/2017 at 02:21:31
The second half was all about Boro wanting the ball more. A point and clean sheet is okay but the performance was below par. Just one of those games that had nil-nil written over it after Rom fluffed his lines.
Gary Russell
20 Posted 12/02/2017 at 02:53:54
You should know Mr Thomas, you post a lot of baldy rashes... Conditions were very tough. What part of that don't you get?
Alexander Murphy
21 Posted 12/02/2017 at 02:54:43
The team's performance was far better than my disappointment reflects. Fair credit to 'Boro who view this very much as a point earned against the Premier League form side of 2017. Further proof, if proof were needed. Valdes widely reported as MotM.

THAT SAVE by Joel towards the end was worth watching the whole game for. Good lad, as Koeman said "A clean sheet guarantees a point", Joel delivered his point to the cause.

Had Lookman's luck been in, then he could have had two. But his best days are certainly all to come.

Disappointed? Yes, but not with our performance, just the result.

Peter Barry
22 Posted 12/02/2017 at 03:15:46
Look at the current Prem League Table and this is the way it has been for weeks now:

London – the NW of England – the REST with us currently being the 'best of the rest'.

And yes I know some pedants will say we are in the NW too but our steadily increasing points gap to those above us leaves us out of the real picture.

Kieran Fitzgerald
23 Posted 12/02/2017 at 07:34:12
This game last season would have been a lot worse and would have been a game we were fearful of losing or playing poorly in.

We have progressed this season and I think we will progress more before the end of it. If it's obvious to us then it will be obvious to Koeman that a goal creator of some description is needed in the summer. I won't panic too much on this front yet.

Ben Dyke
24 Posted 12/02/2017 at 07:44:22
If you don't think the weather played a part then you've never played football!

This was progress for me. I think the run has left some of us expecting easy wins every week. Boro's goals against at home is very good. They have narrowly lost a lot of games this season.

We created chances in difficult conditions and didn't take them. Their keeper was MotM in many papers. We would lose games like this in the last 2 years.

We're 7th with a huge gap to 9th. That's massive progress in a short time.

Tony Draper
25 Posted 12/02/2017 at 08:15:43
On the subject of "this time last/previous seasons" vs this season, I'll say only this:

This season, we visited 'Boro and I expected a point as the bare, scant minimum return. Before, I would have feared an embarrassing defeat or anticipated a draw scraped from a tedious "last airing on MotD" encounter but all the while crossing my fingers for three solid points well deserved.

We really didn't look like losing. We DID fully deserve our point, it wasn't a collector's item performance. We could quite easily have stolen all three. Awkward though it is to accept, these are the tender green shoots of progress.

Stan Schofield
26 Posted 12/02/2017 at 09:39:34
Peter@22: The recent trend has been a steadily decreasing, rather than increasing, points gap between us and the top-6. For example, before 2017 we were 14 points behind Liverpool, and that decreased to only 6 points last week, going up to 8 this week.

Obviously it's impossible to predict the future, but IF the recent form trend continued, with us making steady progression and Liverpool and Man Utd stalling a bit, then soon we would be above Liverpool and perhaps Man Utd. But it's all ifs. All we can do is take each game as it comes and try to win it regardless of the opposition.

Paul Birmingham
27 Posted 12/02/2017 at 09:43:51
It's a point gained, and we didn't loose. I reckon with the foul weather endured for this match etc last season, the team would have lost this game. So but for some good goalkeeping and may be sharper finishing we'd have won.

If only... still we dust down and get set for the phase of games. Spurs looked like the season has caught up with them?

Needless to say, let's hope we can start getting some more wins on the board and we'll see what happens on the road v Spurs, Man Utd, Arsenal and the RS.

I hope this winter break ensures the players are back fresh and on form. Everton old Boys next up!

Adam Luszniak
28 Posted 12/02/2017 at 09:58:00
I was very surprised how little control our midfield three of Gana, Schneiderlin and Davies had over the game. On paper, that is a combative midfield trio who can pick a pass. In reality, I never felt we actually dominated Boro in the middle of the park.

This led to a lack of supply to the front three, and also to our back four being exposed. Perhaps it's because they haven't played too much together. Perhaps it's because Boro are more tenacious and more capable than I gave them credit for.

Personally I felt like the game needed Gareth Barry in there from the start. His passing from deep is superior to any of our other central midfielders, plus he has the experience to 'take charge' in a makeshift formation. I would have brought him on for Gana, rather than throwing on Valencia who wasn't up to much.

Daniel Lim
30 Posted 12/02/2017 at 10:16:28
I think top 6th is not impossible. We can still do it. Remember Blackburn in the season 2003-04 or one season before that? There was quite a big gap between us and them but they kept winning and eventually beat us to 7th (or 6th) and a European spot.

That was the year they had Damian Duff and David Dunn, before Duff joined Chelsea. I cried when the final results filtered through on my monitor. And hey, even 7th might be enough for a Europa League spot.

Gary Russell
31 Posted 12/02/2017 at 10:54:42
Yes, Ben, in total agreement, and my thoughts exactly when I mentioned weather and conditions, when I was a nipper on Huyton fields playing Sunday league footy in January/February heatwaves. Our level of play hit all time highs as Mr Thomas Cryptic Baldy Bollocks wholeheartedly...
Everton Wint
32 Posted 12/02/2017 at 11:15:03
My take is this: I'm disappointed we didn't win but I'm glad we didn't lose.

If we look at the bigger picture and stop analysing on a match to match basis we will see that going Undefeated 16 games like Man United have just achieved and gone now two points behind second place. We are currently on the 5th best undefeated run in Europe's top 5 leagues with 8 games undefeated, so I'm thinking if we can continue to win or draw for 8 more games, we two could be two or three points behind second place with 5 games to go.

Also, Middlesbrough have only conceded 27 goals all season – the same as us. COYBs we can gate crash the party. If we relax and get behind the new Everton.

Patrick Murphy
34 Posted 12/02/2017 at 11:42:05
Everton (#32),

I sort of understand what you mean, but it's surely pertinent to analyse each match as it unfolds and then come to a conclusion when that particular match has ended. Obviously every game has to be put into context, level of opponents, conditions, player availability etc. If we can only draw those conclusions by waiting for a certain period of time has elapsed or until the end of the season, discussion on ToffeeWeb would be pretty pointless wouldn't it?

Last week many of us were waxing lyrical about the team's performance and of course the result; this week... not so much. Next time out... who knows?

Whatever people think about Everton this week, good or bad, the ground will still be full to the rafters for our next game and all Blues will be fully behind the team – that's football.

Dave Williams
35 Posted 12/02/2017 at 12:07:06
I agree with Gary – it's very difficult to play your best in those conditions and anyone who played the game in their youth will remember days like that when, no matter how you try, you just can't hit your normal form because of icy temperatures, wind, driving rain and a bad pitch. They are very highly paid but that is down to market forces and doesn't mean that they will play at top form every game.

A point is not what we wanted but it keeps the momentum going and there are plenty of games left yet to try and catch the others. The away games against RS and MU are real six pointers and if we win then who knows where we will end up.

Like Jim above I think it will likely be 7th which would be a realistic and decent improvement on last season and hopefully will provide the launchpad for a real assault on the Top 4 next season.

Derek Thomas
36 Posted 12/02/2017 at 12:08:13
Gazza @20 & 31 Thanks for the compliments, much appreciated.

Obviously the ground was only slippy, the wind only blew and the sleet only sleeted where the 'All Blacks' played. Valdes, Traore and a few others had a nice early spring day in the sun to stroll about in.

It's probably all the hair that gives me the rash.

Darren Hind
37 Posted 12/02/2017 at 12:10:00
Thanks to a bit of fortune and a world class save, we kept a clean sheet against a team who are by some distance the lowest scoring team in the league... and that's a positive?

No wonder the negatives are so swiftly brushed under the carpet. The sight of our manager time-wasting against a team batting relegation was the most negative thing I've seen this season.

John Wilson
38 Posted 12/02/2017 at 12:19:17
Putting the Lookman kid in the Premier League at this early stage does not make sense. There were more suitable alternatives than wasting millions on this kid, ie, paying for a proven striker.

Lukaku is not consistent enough. He has absolutely no competition for places. Valencia is not even competition. Everton are based in the Northwest - not Southern England, so are used to playing in colder climates/ sleet (Even been playing in sorts of weather since the 1835 (St Domingo days), or 1879 (Everton become a football club). The truth is the likes of 'boro. ought to be their (Everton's) bread and butter type games.

Niasse cannot do anything else on the ball (so it would seem) except score. The salient point is that he can score in the Premier League against Man Utd's best, Liverpool's best, which makes Hull City a threat but much more of a threat because Marco Silvo invested in some extremely talented players.

We need someone who can score goals – ie where the goal keeper finds it virtually impossible to reach. In the tone of the Kaiser Chiefs, 'I predict a riot' when Everton display another average performance and probably will struggle to finish in the top half of the league this season. Stop all this diluted thinking; unless the evidence is prima facie, which it is to some of us more than most (it seems), why is it that most of you cannot see the wood for the trees.

That truth is that we (Everton) are massively lacking in consistent strikers required for the 'bread and butter' games – notwithstanding the necessary prerequisites premium skills and abilities for what should be the extremely challenging games: the top 4, Man City, Liverpool et al. If we can't beat 'Boro-esque teams then how do we progress up the league, it's a mathematical certainty that we will go lower down the league if we can't win the rest of these up-coming low tier games.

Everton Wint
39 Posted 12/02/2017 at 12:34:31
Patrick (#34),

I fully get your point about discussion on ToffeeWeb. I was just trying to show the benefits of a long unbeaten run. I just think if we can become unbeatable for rest of season, obviously with the wins doubling the draws, we could be in Dreamland for this season considering how we all felt after Watford. COYBs

John Wilson
40 Posted 12/02/2017 at 12:37:07
Everton Wint (#32/ 39), I think that's called 'circumstantial.'

Circumstantially, we are where we are in the Premier League – not through our own brilliant team performances.

Tom Bowers
41 Posted 12/02/2017 at 12:53:12
The weather means diddly ! Obviously in hindsight it may have been a bad decision to start Lookman but give Koeman his due, he bought him so he has the confidence to play him and the lad could easily have scored early – in which case, we wouldn't be bemoaning the decision.
Patrick Murphy
42 Posted 12/02/2017 at 13:24:32
Why are we where we are in the league then, John (#40)? Do you mean we haven't performed brilliantly throughout the season, which most Evertonians would agree with, or is our league position merely down to the failings of others and despite our manager and forwards? I'm just curious!
John Wilson
44 Posted 12/02/2017 at 16:06:00
Yes, of course other Premier League teams' poor performances have contributed indirectly at least in some way to where we are currently, notwithstanding the fact we won those relatively few games earlier on at the beginning of the season.

Performances at 'Boro-esque clubs have to improve if we're to make any worthwhile progress. This was my point, so if you could stick to the point, this would be rather helpful than just cherry-picking from my representations.

It's almost like Everton go to these clubs with the psyche: "It's okay, this is a club that we're expected to struggle against, so 0-0, 1-1 etc is acceptable, as it's a point, right?" We simply need to win these type of games and keep clean sheets. Bournemouth result is deceptive as we nearly lost as even when we were, I think 3-2 up Bournemouth were clearly still a challenge.

Lukaku and Everton as a whole are clearly confidence players as Lukaku and Co can put in masterclass performances when we're winning. The sober point is that Bournemouth scored 3 goals against us, the other three more we scored is not really important.

When a team breaks down, the superior team is expected to do the masterclass thing. Everton were no exception. I still think it was a superficial performance as the game could easily have ended in our defeat – it certainly was going that way. This is clearly our weakness – we give up too easily but the likes of Bournemouth do not etc.

Patrick Murphy
45 Posted 12/02/2017 at 16:23:54
How can I be accused of 'cherry-picking' your points when I responded to your post "Circumstantially, we are where we are in the Premier League – not through our own brilliant team performances. "

As for your reply, well it sounds more of a rant than anything else and to be honest I shouldn't bite as quite a lot of your posts seem to go into a rant mode. It's a good job that all the other teams have provided Everton with such weak opposition else we would be on minus points according to your world view.

I'm not arguing that Everton have been brilliant and I'm a firm believer that any team finishes in the league position that it deserves, we are currently seventh if the recent form continues that's probably the best we can expect, if Everton's form nosedives we could finish 11th or lower, we'll have to wait and see if those inferior teams from 8th to 20th start giving Everton a proper match.

Liam Reilly
46 Posted 12/02/2017 at 16:24:42
Completely disagree with your argument on playing Lookman, John.

This is an ideal time to be bedding in some youth and giving them experience.

If Koeman was handed 7th spot now, I'd say he'd take it and hopefully Europe. He'll then use the summer to refactor his squad and its depth.

John Daley
47 Posted 12/02/2017 at 16:38:00
"The sober point is that Bournemouth scored 3 goals against us, the other three more we scored is not really important."

Sure, the fact we outscored Bournemouth was of no real importance. Not like it had any bearing whatsoever on the final result and the team actually securing three points.

Ray Roche
49 Posted 12/02/2017 at 16:52:08
John Wilson (#44),

"This is clearly our weakness – we give up too easily but the likes of Bournemouth do not etc."

Maybe you can explain why we have scored 13 goals in the final ten minutes of the games we've played, and conceded 3, only Arsenal come close with a 13/4 ratio. Give up too easily? My arse!

ps: Bournemouth have a 7/10 ratio...

Paul Conway
50 Posted 12/02/2017 at 17:02:56
Whatever way you look at it, it keeps our unbeaten run intact... And it's not as if we can't score goals.

If Lookman had scored with the attempts he had, he would have been hailed as the new Lukaku!

Michael Kenrick
51 Posted 12/02/2017 at 17:11:30
John's logic is even more flawed with this nonsense:

"I still think it was a superficial performance as the game could easily have ended in our defeat – it certainly was going that way."

"Superficial performance"?!? Unbelievable! Certainly going the way of a defeat... at 3-2 and leaking goals like a sieve... except that we then went on to score three goals to win the game in rather impressive fashion.

Oh, but the point that we scored three more goals is not really that important... I despair.

Kim Vivian
52 Posted 12/02/2017 at 17:12:05
No one seems to have made the point (and if they have – I've not seen it) that, last season, Baines would not have been on the far post to head away that goalbound header.

We should've won yesterday, and could easily have lost, so I am grateful for the point on the day.

Tony Draper
53 Posted 12/02/2017 at 17:30:49
"Circumstantially, we are where we are in the Premier League – not through our own brilliant team performances."

This is one of the most bewildering postings on TW or indeed anywhere.

The league position of every single club whose results are below 100 percent are circumstantial.

I'm utterly dumbfounded that anyone could fail to grasp this most basic fact – even a carrier bagger visiting the "Anfield experience and purchaseable memorabilia emporium" for their one and only trip of a lifetime must surely grasp this fact ?

Brian Williams
54 Posted 12/02/2017 at 18:18:44
No team has a divine right to win. Yes, we want to win every game but do the amateur psychologists and football experts on here have to go so overboard in their analysis?

We didn't win a game we hoped we would. We scored six last week and couldn't score this week.

Why didn't Chelsea beat Burnley today? Why didn't Spurs beat the Shite yesterday, after all they'd only won one in ten before yesterday!

Jesus, it's a "game" involving humans who err and fail on occasion. Far too much wailing and gnashing of teeth going on, as there are ridiculous theories.

We had a bit of an off day, Boro fought for survival. Amen.

Chris Williams
55 Posted 12/02/2017 at 18:25:31

Are you really expecting a balanced view from our resident keyboard warriors?

Not a hope in hell.

Andy Meighan
56 Posted 12/02/2017 at 19:53:36
Steavey (#11)

Goals for fun? I'd hardly call 3 in 2 games goals for fun. Yes, he's made a decent start. But let's see if he continues to do it until the end of the season My guess is he won't. There must have been a reason why Koeman didn't pursue him given that we were linked.

Once Lookman has got his feet under the table, he'll get his fair share... of that I've no doubt. That kid is going to be a big player for us in the next couple of seasons and that ^#;10 mill or whatever will look like a steal!

Brian Williams
57 Posted 12/02/2017 at 21:31:52
Chris. Good point. What was I thinking?
Gerard Carey
58 Posted 12/02/2017 at 21:33:40
All in all, it was a good point yesterday. Keeps the unbeaten run going. I for one would love us to remain unbeaten for the rest of the season, even if there's five or six draws thrown in there.

I'm sure our manager sets us up to win each game, and takes it from there as the game progresses. Draws happen, just ask Chelsea.

Paul Smith
59 Posted 12/02/2017 at 22:29:33
Some ungrateful people with mind boggling views on this thread.

I thought the weather was a factor; Lookman is a star, Joel always had it in him; Baines was excellant (probably irreplacable) and they are a physical solid defensive outfit, teetering on the edge of the relegation zone fighting for their lives.

Good point for me.

Gordon Roberts
60 Posted 12/02/2017 at 22:38:26
Brian Williams (#54). Excellent post.

Our team is progressing well and Koeman is slowly building for the future. We must be patient – as I've said in previous posts, there will be bumps in the road.

How long did Alex Ferguson take to get it right at Man Utd? Keep the faith.

Steavey Buckley
61 Posted 12/02/2017 at 22:57:47
Gordon: Everton's home form is good but away form is patchy at best. Everton have only beaten 2 out of the 5 teams at the bottom while drawing with the other 2. Yet, Everton have struggled in all of those last 4 games away. Because Everton only have one striker who threatens the opposition, so they watch him carefully.

And it is no wonder why Lukaku fails to score goals against the bigger teams away. Everton really need to have another striker who can share the goal scoring burden if Everton are to progress further.

Colin Glassar
63 Posted 12/02/2017 at 23:38:03
I like the way Koeman is emphatically stating that the trip to Dubai is NOT a holiday. They are going to work nothing else. No golf, no shows, no skiving etc... Work, work, work. The times they are a changing.
Gordon Roberts
65 Posted 13/02/2017 at 03:51:36
Steavey (#61). Agree with you re Lukaku, and you outline an important step in his development (lack of goals against the top sides). We do need reinforcements up front but I'm assuming Koeman is waiting for the right option to pursue.

There's quite a few comments from him and Steve Walsh around ensuring Everton buy players with the right character, I'm sure we will recruit forward and defensive players in the next transfer window.

Paul Conway
66 Posted 13/02/2017 at 11:16:18
Some people might refer to the fact that we almost lost the game, but for Joel's fantastic save in the dying minutes.

Can't we look at this as a positive? Is it not saves like this that Joel should be making, to prove that he has silenced his doubters, of which there were many... None moreso than myself!

Dermot Byrne
67 Posted 13/02/2017 at 13:08:28
That is quite an achievement, to even get the editor to call your post nonsense. And by god it was. I sometimes think people have a quick thought and then lose all routes to reason trying to justify it.

The Boro games was a crap game against a struggling team in horrible conditions. The overall significance? Sod all.

Grant Rorrison
68 Posted 13/02/2017 at 14:34:11
Ray (#49). A lot of those late goals came in games we were already winning. You would need to have an extremely weak mental state to feel like 'giving up' at 3-0 ahead against Man City or 1-0 ahead against Southampton and Leicester.

It would be more interesting to see how we do from a position of 2 or more goals down, surely? Like at Stamford Bridge when we got stuffed.

Ray Roche
69 Posted 13/02/2017 at 15:05:49
Grant, you can spin it whichever way you want, but the bald facts are as stated. I notice you mention our worst performance against the best team in the League to make your case. What about coming back against WBA? Or Swansea City? Or Man Utd? Or Arsenal? We also came back twice against a rejuvenated Hull City. And Stoke City. Not worthy of consideration, eh? All games where we gained points from losing positions.

Incidentally, do you have a breakdown on which games comprised the ones which we were already winning? And it would help if we knew the score when we DID score late, scoring a goal when we were comfortably ahead.

John Pierce
70 Posted 13/02/2017 at 15:48:17

I don't have a dog in this fight but you might also question why we have to come back all the time?

A resilient nature is an extremely positive trait; flip that coin and find going behind so often is also a questionable one.

It takes a lot of energy to get back into a game where we lose the first goal – often, perhaps why in recent seasons we draw so many instead of losing? Just a thought.

Brian Furey
71 Posted 13/02/2017 at 16:12:50
I was thinking about us qualifying for Europe through 7th place, ie, Man Utd winning the League Cup and another top 6 team (or Man Utd again) winning the FA Cup.

However, should United or Spurs go on to win the Europa League and finish outside the top 4, then there will be 5 teams in the Champions League and only 2 in Europa League. In that case, only 5th & 6th in the Premier League would qualify for the Europa League.

So don't be supporting Southampton on Sunday week!

Eric Myles
72 Posted 13/02/2017 at 16:16:28
"And it would help if we knew the score when we DID score late, scoring a goal when we were comfortably ahead."

Only twice.

At home to City, 3-0 when we scored in extra time

At home to Bournemouth 5-3 when we scored in extra time.

Eric Myles
73 Posted 13/02/2017 at 16:19:31
But in the last 10 minutes we were only 3-2 up against Bournemouth, which wasn't comfortable.
Eric Myles
74 Posted 13/02/2017 at 16:34:36
"It would be more interesting to see how we do from a position of 2 or more goals down, surely?"

Only happened against Chelsea that we have been 2 goals down in an EPL game.

Ricardo Gimpardsle
75 Posted 13/02/2017 at 16:41:27
I wonder if Koeman, at Everton, will beat his points tally for the last two seasons with Southampton of 60 and 63 points. If he does, then he could get our second highest points tally in Premier League history, or even achieve our top!!

I only wonder as so many on here believe he is a fraud. I would assume that points on the board will be an early indicator one way or the other. Anyway, I think he will beat our last two seasons of 47 and 47.

Dave Evans
76 Posted 13/02/2017 at 16:43:40
First time post but long time reader of TW, can't help but think some people believe we have a god-given right to win every game (if only).

Allegedly we are in the best league in the world where anyone can beat anyone so, for me, an away point is a positive – especially when the performance wasn't brilliant.

If we can keep this unbeaten run going, who knows where we can finish? I believe the most important thing now is the next game.

John G Davies
77 Posted 13/02/2017 at 17:21:19
Welcome to ToffeeWeb, Dave. Good positive start for your first post.

You're right – no gimmes in this league; looking at the results of last couple of weeks shows that. Conte pleased with a point at Burnley yesterday against a battling side in tough conditions shows the difficulty.

Ray Roche
78 Posted 13/02/2017 at 18:12:53
John Pierce (#70),

Actually John, I don't have a dog either and I hope I'm not in a fight, I'm just pointing out a glaring inaccuracy i.e: That we don't have the resilience to come back from behind.

Of course, you're right; it'd be better if we didn't go behind in the first place... but, that aside, at least we can take comfort that we have garnered the most points from losing positions in the Premier League (I think) – something that wouldn't have happened the last couple of seasons.


Thanks, Eric.

Paul Ferry
79 Posted 13/02/2017 at 18:51:17
Steavey Buckley (#11): 'Yet, a player Everton were interested buying from Napoli in the summer is scoring goals for fun for Southampton for just 㾹 million. In contrast, Everton had a quiet winter transfer window'.

Unbelievable... but thankfully, if I am correct, this is a minority position.

Quick question for you, Steavey. Gabbiadini (did you like the boss goal with the hand?) or Lookman/Schneiderlin?

'Quiet' January window? My arse.

Grant Rorrison
80 Posted 13/02/2017 at 20:14:05
Ray 69. I mentioned the Chelsea game, half tongue in cheek, because it supported my point about it being 'more interesting' to see how well we did when a couple of goals or more down. This as opposed to how many goals we've scored from a variety of match situations in the last 10 minutes of games this season.

Maybe I should have also mentioned being 2 goals behind to Watford, where we battled back courageously to only lose by 1 goal, by way of balance? :P

I wouldn't expect any team to throw in the towel due to a one goal deficit. So as interesting as your examples are, I don't see what relevance they have, to either my point, or your original claim regarding the number of goals we've scored in the last 10 minutes of games.

Oh, and 'a rejuvenated Hull City', hahaha. Nice one. :)

Chris Gould
81 Posted 13/02/2017 at 21:07:03

What is the significance of bleating on about how many times we haven't battled back from 2 goals down? The fact that we have only gone behind by 2 goals twice in the league is testament to our ability to stay in a game even during the matches that we haven't played particularly well.

We clearly come on strong in the second half, so I can't see what point you're trying to make. I have no doubt that if we are 2 goals behind at any time throughout the remaining games, that we will battle on and try and find answers.

We are 2nd in the table for points won from losing positions. Only Tottenham have done better.

Chris Williams
82 Posted 13/02/2017 at 21:16:52
Some real whoppers on here now...
Grant Rorrison
83 Posted 13/02/2017 at 21:30:13
Chris (#81). Oh, absolutely. You only have to look at the recent games against Stoke and Middlesbrough for evidence of this. 1-1 and 0-0 respectively at half time. Then we 'came on strong in the second half' and they finished... 1-1 and 0-0. :P

Honourable mentions to Watford. 1-1 at half time, finished 3-2 to them (!) Southampton. 1-0 to them at half time. Finished 1-0 to them and Spurs. 1-0 up at half time and it finished 1-1.

What a second-half team.

Chris Williams
84 Posted 13/02/2017 at 21:42:51
Soren Moyer
85 Posted 13/02/2017 at 22:32:16
If we are happy with a draw away at the teams like Boro, then we don't deserve any better!
Ray Roche
86 Posted 13/02/2017 at 22:41:13
Grant (#80),

Re your Chelsea example: fair enough, point taken, tongue in cheek.

Hull City, rejuvenated or not have been playing well recently, beating Liverpool, , drawing against Man Utd and putting up a great performance against Arsenal last weekend.

The real point is that we have the capability to come back from behind and salvage points or win games. That fact is irrefutable. Spurs 1-1 was the first game of the season, we are a better side now, and fitter, too.

As a team, we are going in the right direction, as opposed to the last two seasons when we had no idea where we were heading apart from the Championship.

Brian Williams
87 Posted 13/02/2017 at 22:51:38
Soren (#85).

It's not that we're happy with it, it's just that some of us can put it into perspective and realize it's not the end of the world!

Grant Rorrison
88 Posted 13/02/2017 at 23:15:19
Ray 86. What does Hull's recent form (under a new manager) have to do with us playing them in December, off the back of 3 straight losses, and struggling to get a point? They lost the next game too and sacked Phelan. 4 defeats in 5 games. The only team that didn't beat them was us and this is a positive? :O

Yep. We've shown that we can come from behind against Hull and Swansea. That's nice. The latter had lost 7 of the previous 8 games when they nearly beat us at Goodison. But they're doing alright now so that's another positive, right?

We're 19 points off the top compared to 18 points at this stage last season. We're 8 points off 5th compared to 6 points at this stage the previous season. Yet we're 'going in the right direction'? Admittedly, we're 1 place higher than last season (after 25 games) but as Leicester had 53 points at the corresponding stage last season and only 21 points this time around it's no great surprise that we've managed to fight our way past them with this new found 'point-salvaging' ability. :P

Patrick Murphy
89 Posted 13/02/2017 at 23:50:39
At the moment, Koeman's team are 6 points away from recording the same points tally as it gained in its last two seasons and in all probability it will end the season on circa 60 points, if the team manage to uphold this season's form for the rest of the campaign.

That probably won't be enough to gain Europe without the help from one or two of the top six sides winning the cups – but it's a damn sight better than this time last year.

Phil Walling elsewhere mentioned that Koeman would probably restore the team to David Moyes's level and that is good enough for me at this moment in time.

We can argue until the cows come home as to whether the 'style' is good, bad or indifferent and whether Koeman has what it takes to move the team to a higher level, I suspect that he won't be around long enough for us to find out, but at least he'll have addressed the Martinez legacy and hopefully the man in charge after Ronald – if he doesn't stay for his full term – will make a better fist of it than Roberto did.

As an Evertonian I am not satisfied with seventh, I never was and never will be. However, when the club was sinking like a stone and the players had forgotten why they loved playing for the club, it needed a steady and firm hand to stop the rot and put us back on an even keel, Koeman has managed to do that and his input should be acknowledged and applauded.

That doesn't mean that he gets a free pass for the rest of the season and he certainly has to produce the goods for the club from now until he leaves and who knows he might just take us to where we all want to go.

As for teams losing the lead, well that's just football and there are certain games on Merseyside which are legendary because the local teams came back to win them, I would prefer Everton to batter every team out of sight in every match but this is real life and you have to ride with the punches. If you can't do that, you should find another sport to follow.

Chris Gould
90 Posted 13/02/2017 at 00:01:02

Even the most negative on here will begrudgingly admit that we have been generally stronger in the 2nd half.

As I said, only Spurs have won more points from losing positions. We are much improved since the new year and will annihilate last season's points tally.

We had 35 points after 25 games last season. We have 41 from 25 this season. Last season we got a measly 12 points in the last 13 games. I am expecting at least 24 points from our remaining 13 games. That will put us on 65 points. Compare that to last season's 47.

Whichever way you want to spin it... that's progress.

Grant Rorrison
91 Posted 14/02/2017 at 00:53:11
Chris (#90). This improvement in the second half is seldom reflected in the score. I could add City (a), Palace (h), Burnley (a), Bournemouth (a), Leicester (a), Norwich and Leicester (h) in the cup, and probably others that I can't even be bothered remembering, there's been so many.

On the much more rare occasions that we have changed the score line positively, it's proved to be a real struggle to make these 'strong' second half performances count. 88th minute against Palace, 89th minute against Swansea, 87th minute against Arsenal, etc.

We've been behind to some terrible sides this season. Boro at home, Swansea at home and Hull away. Hardly a great achievement to have fought back.

Yep, 6 more points. Leicester away and Stoke at home, the only difference between this season and last?

We've still got to go to Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, West Ham and Swansea. We also play Chelsea, and even West Brom, at home. If we play the way we have in the last few aways, I doubt we'll win any of the remaining ones. At least 24 points from the last 13 games? Bit optimistic that.

Will Mabon
92 Posted 14/02/2017 at 07:10:33
59 or 60 points is my estimate for the season.
Ray Roche
93 Posted 14/02/2017 at 08:11:21
Grant, I refer to my earlier comment, "we have scored 13 goals in the final ten minutes of the games we've played, and conceded 3, only Arsenal come close with a 13/4 ratio." Incontrovertible truth.

"We're 19 points off the top compared to 18 points at this stage last season."

So, would you rather we go back to Roberto Bellendino and his methods or are you so bored that you're just looking for an argument? Are you the guy who lurches around the Pier Head with a bottle in a brown paper bag shouting at Pigeons? ;-)

Incidentally, I was seriously pissed off after the Swansea game, as I have been after other poor performances, but I do see that there is a brighter future now than before and I do realise that we are actually capable of coming back from a goal down whereas I was never confident of that under Martinez.

Ciarán McGlone
94 Posted 14/02/2017 at 09:03:31
We are capable of beating teams like Boro convincingly. We didn't play well on Saturday.. .from 25 minutes on Boro were the better team, despite the conditions, and played some good football. However, they have nowhere near the talent we have.

People are entitled to criticise a shit display, and people are equally entitled to acknowledge progress. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Pat Waine
95 Posted 14/02/2017 at 13:58:20
I said at the start of the season that Koeman would make us hard to beat but that would not be enough unless we signed a playmaker to open teams up. The only real playmakers we have been linked with were Sigurdsson and Mata and we got neither.

I think we will continue to struggle around 7th if we don't address this. However Barkley may have to go if we get the right man in as I don't see how or why we should try to fit him in.

Matthew Williams
96 Posted 14/02/2017 at 14:59:08
We just need to replicate our home form when we go away... we still play way too cautiously; let the opposition worry about us for a change.

The real acid test to where we finish will come at The Lane... win that one and it's game on right 'till the final game at Arsenal. Lose it and we finish 7th!

Grant Rorrison
97 Posted 14/02/2017 at 15:03:33
Ray (#93). At this stage last season, we had come from behind 14 times out of 21. This season it's 9 times out of 17.

We were better at it around this point of the season under Martinez.

In the remaining games we went behind a further 8 times, coming back only the once. The semi-final against Man Utd.

Julian Wait
98 Posted 14/02/2017 at 15:15:02
Grant – what I read into your stats is that we haven't been behind as much (17), so we haven't needed to come back as much as last season (21).

I'd also be interested to see how many times we lost a lead last season, versus this, as that was also a major complaint under Martinez. Statto?

Jay Harris
99 Posted 14/02/2017 at 15:47:55
Grant, surely you're not trying to insinuate Martinez is a better manager than Koeman?

The thing about statistics is they can be made to prove whatever point you want to make. I prefer to use my eyes and make my own judgement.

My advice: stay off the loony juice.

Alan McGuffog
100 Posted 14/02/2017 at 15:54:24
I belong to the "glass half-empty" brigade / miserablist tendency... but, come May, we probably will have finished 7th, best of the rest as it were.

We may well have the firm prospect of an iconic new stadium. We will have some money behind us and some business acumen on the board at last.

I, for one, would have signed up for this last August.

Kevin Dyer
101 Posted 14/02/2017 at 17:10:23
John #38: sorry for the belated response but how do you figure we've wasted millions on Lookman? I don't disagree that we needed to add a proved centre forward but (Gabiadini's initial burst of form notwithstanding) the targets didn't appear to be available. Wasting money would have been throwing 㿀+m at somebody, like we almost did with Sissoko. I mean, look at Janssen so far with Spurs, a player we were linked with last summer. Since we are only now playing for an outside shot at 6th spending big now would be foolhardy.

Also, whilst the sounds coming from the Lukaku camp are positive if he finishes top scorer (or close) then big hitters could come after him. If the offers are huge and the player's head is turned then what we need at CF could change. I think RK figured the wisest thing would be to reevaluate in the summer.

As for Lookman I was underwhelmed when we bought him but the lad not only is far more talented than I thought but looks willing and able to learn. He's slotted right into the team, has had chances iirc in every appearance and looks like an absolute steal for the money we paid. Made up we sourced him so early before he appeared on the big boy's radar. Our financial position means we can ward off future interest. Wasting money was what we did with Bolasie who was already a developed player and frankly not good enough for a team intending to crash the top 4.

Ray Roche
102 Posted 14/02/2017 at 17:41:42
Grant Rorrison #97

I'll ask again, Grant, would you rather go back to Martinez and his methods? I actually look forward to going the match this season, despite hiccups against Swansea etc. I had to drag myself to watch Martinez's teams propel us last season to the worst home record in the history of the club. Clearly, we didn't "come back" often enough did we?

Dermot Byrne
103 Posted 14/02/2017 at 17:52:15
Ray 102 : "actually look forward to going the match this season"

Brill. That is surely what the whole fucking pantomime is about. If we won the league and you had never looked forward to the game, then to me the win would be meaningless.

Whatever we do, in the end I hope you look forward to going to the game. I cannot go but like you, I am looking forward now to each game I watch even if we draw or even lose now and then.

Ray Roche
104 Posted 14/02/2017 at 18:00:32
Dermot, spot on, shame you can't join us, mate. I've seen us win the League four times and every memory is precious.

Especially as these days I forget what I had for me dinner.

Chris Williams
105 Posted 14/02/2017 at 18:21:38
Yes, Ray, spot on. Enjoying going to the game is the very thing. I've enjoyed going to every match this season, even ones we've not played so well in, because I can see a plan, a pattern, gradual improvements, players being fitter and playing better, even Ross playing better and showing why people have kept believing in him.

Signing players who improve us, bringing in young players who improve us, and a manager who doesn't speak in tongues.

Things happening to encourage you and give you some hope for the future. All the statistical masturbation in the world can't change that.

Grant Rorrison
106 Posted 14/02/2017 at 18:56:57
Julian (#98). By this stage last season we had led 24 times compared to just 17 times this. Of those 24 leads we lost 9 and reclaimed 4. Only to then lose 2 of them again.

This season we have lost 5 of our 17 leads and reclaimed 0. We have gone on to lose 2 and draw 3 of the 5 games where we lost the lead. Last season we went on to win 2, draw 3 and lose 2 of the 7 games where we lost 9 leads.

Whilst we lost a greater percentage of our leads last season. (9/24 - 5/17) The percentage of leads that stayed lost was pretty much the same. (7/24 - 5/17)

Grant Rorrison
107 Posted 14/02/2017 at 19:05:12
Ray (#102).

Well those methods produced a Premier League record beating 72 points for a season. An entertaining Europa League run beating the likes of Wolfsburg and Young Boys convincingly along the way and two cup semi-finals and one quarter-final.

Koeman's method helped us beat Man City at home. :}

Chris Leyland
108 Posted 14/02/2017 at 20:36:16
I see the Roberto Martinez fan club still had one member left.

Cherry-picking some 'highlights' of one manager over 3 seasons and comparing it to the 25 games of his successor is not really a balanced comparison is it?

For balance, here are some stats from last season to emphasise the shambles that Koeman inherited:

Everton had their worst ever home record (23 points) [adjusted for 3 points for a win].

Everton kept just 3 clean sheets at home in the Premier League – all against the relegated teams.

Everton won 6 home games in the league. They have won fewer in only one season previously (5 in 1957-58).

Everton finished in the bottom half of the Premier League for the second consecutive season after finishing in the top 8 in the previous 8 seasons.

Everton have finished in the bottom half of the Premier League in consecutive seasons for the first time since 2000-01 and 2001-02.

Everton conceded 30 goals at home in the league – the most since 1993-34.

Everton conceded 3+ goals in 3 consecutive games for the first time since 2002.

Everton lost 18 points from winning positions and won just 7 points from losing positions.

Everton lost their last 10 games when their opponents have scored first.

Everton allowed their opponents to score at home 10 times in the league and did not win any of those games and lost 7 times.

Everton were in a losing position at half time 11 times in the league, winning just once and lost 9 times.

Everton conceded 15 goals in the last 15 minutes of a league game – the joint-most in the Premier League.

Everton conceded 16 goals in the last 15 minutes of the first half of a league – the most in the Premier League.

Everton conceded 31 goals in the last 15 minutes of a half in a league game – the most in the Premier League.

Everton conceded 2+ goals in a game 19 times in all competitions.

Everton conceded 3+ goals in a game 11 times in all competitions.

Everton were the only team to go through the entire season without scoring from a free kick, directly or crossed, in the Premier League.

Ray Roche
109 Posted 14/02/2017 at 22:09:48
Grant Rorrison #107

Grant, after the terrific post by Chris (#108). Any comment of mine is superfluous; however, seeing as you mention our Premier League record of 72 points with Moyes defence, discipline and fitness levels, I'll just point out that, once Martinez got his talons into Everton and guided us into his way of playing, we turned to crap.

You haven't answered my questions.

a) Do you prefer Martinez and his methods?
b) Are you the man at the Pier Head shouting at pigeons?

Grant Rorrison
110 Posted 15/02/2017 at 00:28:16
Chris (#108). I could just as easily write the opposite to some of your statistics. Such as how many goals we scored in the last 15 minutes of games last season. It was 21 goals scored in the last 15 minutes of second halves in case you're interested. :}

Why focus only on goals conceded and not goals scored? We had the 3rd best attack at home last season. Despite managing to fail to score from 34 attempts against West Brom. :}

Which 3 games in a row did we concede 3+ goals in? Are you sure you haven't just made some of these 'facts' up? :}

If the team was such a 'shambles' last season, then how did we only lose 2 games in all competitions between the defeat on the 24th October 2015 and the defeat on the 24th January 2016? The two games in question being thanks to a disputed penalty in the last minute against Stoke and the game against the eventual champions, Leicester. Or make 2 semi finals for the first time in around 30 years?

Grant Rorrison
111 Posted 15/02/2017 at 00:36:10
Ray (#109). Moyes 'fitness' must be terrific. Even players that never played a game under him benefited from it in Martinez's first season, like Lukaku, Barry, McCarthy, Stones and Deulofeu. :}
Kiern Moran
112 Posted 15/02/2017 at 01:23:41
Have to say I am warming to Koeman. Seems to know what he is doing and team and squad responding nicely.
Laurie Hartley
113 Posted 15/02/2017 at 07:55:43
Ray (#104) – I recommend beans on toast.
Ray Roche
114 Posted 15/02/2017 at 08:15:44

Comparatively, Moyes's fitness regime WAS terrific, you need only read Osman's book to see evidence of that. And, of the players you mention, only Stones played in defence, and even then for only half the Premier League games.

Pigeon Man, why are you scared of answering the question re preferring Martinez's methods and football to Koeman's? :-)

Ray Roche
115 Posted 15/02/2017 at 08:16:18
Laurie, they make you fart.
Laurie Hartley
116 Posted 15/02/2017 at 08:39:59
Ray - OK what about a notepad and pencil then? :)
Chris Gould
117 Posted 15/02/2017 at 08:55:29
Grant, what exactly are you trying to prove here? You went from suggesting that we don't have the fight to comeback from 2 goals down (despite no evidence to back that up) to now arguing that we were better under Martinez last season.

Have I misinterpreted your posts? If you honestly believe that we were performing better at this stage of the season last year then I'm afraid I can't take anything you write seriously. I'm also beginning to question your motives?

Joe O'Brien
118 Posted 15/02/2017 at 14:41:04
I hope Koeman is totally committed to the 'project' because after Barca got hammered last night they'll more than likely make a approach for him once they give Enrique the boot.
Dave Abrahams
120 Posted 15/02/2017 at 15:35:18
Joe I think Barcelona will wait until Ron proves himself with us, which I hope is sooner than later.
Joe O'Brien
121 Posted 15/02/2017 at 16:55:55
Hopefully, Dave... it would be a disaster if we lost Koeman now.

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