McCarthy pulled from Ireland line-up

McCarthy has also let himself down. He's undoubtedly ignored advice from the club. A trio of complete idiots.

He looks out of the Derby now, disaster.

I only wish Everton had some recourse against the irish FA for this farce of a situation.

Frankly, he is an employee of the club and the club have the right to say "No, he is not available." Why they did not do so is inexcusable with a number of important games coming up.

Common sense lacking all around.

As far as I can see in this latest episode, both Koeman and the club are totally exonerated from blame. O'Neill and Keane seem to be playing a very damaging game of bravado and bluff with McCarthy and Everton.

Less than 2 weeks ago, Koeman reported a need for medics to get to the root cause of McCarthy's recurring injuries. He also spoke of him being in no condition to play for a period before and beyond this present international break.

That McCarthy deemed himself fit enough to join the Irish squad makes him equally culpable (and stupid, I'm sad to say). All basic logic pointed to him NOT travelling, training and being on the verge of playing in an extremely competitive game for Ireland. He would have been better served remaining under the club medics, all the more so given the state of Morgan Schneiderlin's own injury at this time with big games coming up.

I very much doubt that Koeman is the sort of manager to tolerate much more of this.

Gareth Bale wouldn't get into our team based on tonight's performance.

Horror tackle from Taylor – straight red.

After the late challenge earlier on Williams, I was hoping nothing else happened and sure enough it did.

I hate these mid season internationals!!!

Everyone wants to play for their country but this is not a one off! Koeman quite rightly will be fuming, and I am 100% behind him.

Players pull out of internationals right left and centre, but the situation with McCarthy continues to confound!! Is it me, or is McCarthy piggy in the middle?

Who holds the cards here? O'Neil/Keane v Koeman? Now Coleman out for who knows how long... Hope it's not too serious!!!

Oh, and I'd sack Macca for being a absolute moron!

What a shit scenario for Coleman to have to witness and go along with (if he doesn't, those two wankers will drop him).

McCarthy is sticking two fingers up to Everton; I'd sell him to the first bidder – we have 4-6 players better in midfield anyway.

Everton are moving away from having to accommodate water carriers like him too. He wants to remember all he brings to the team is running about, a dinosaur amongst dinosaur coaches at the Irish.

Hate it!!

World Cup or nothing, certainly can't see the point in these qualifiers at the business end of club football seasons.

Totally agree with you. Something isn't quite right here?

Who is pulling whose strings?

I wouldn't blame Taylor for it – he's had his own leg broken playing for Swansea and he isn't a dirty player. It looked accidental to me.

Three at the back might work in our favour with Baines and Lennon or Valencia on the wings.

Holgate in now. I'm sure he won't let anyone down. Sad night.

With Macca out and now Seamus who we know contributes greatly as a wing back, we can ill afford to lose Ross. I also agree Williams is a liability. Brought in as basically a stop-gap experienced replacement for Stones he is an average central defender but very leaden footed when up against quick forwards and we know RS have one or two.

Holgate didn't look too interested playing for the Under-21s today in Germany.

Oh and I know, he can't be two people in one place... captain... teammate etc... blah, blah, blah.

The tackle, if you can call it that, was appalling.

I've also met Neil Taylor a few times and he too is a gentleman but I can't defend the tackle!

Hope I'm wrong but I can't see him coming back as same player – I hate international football! Good luck, Seamus!!

James McCarthy, just like his international manager, obviously doesn't care about Everton or our manager. This is not the first time both he and O'Neill were warned he was not fit.

Apparently Everton were convinced McCarthy would be sent back to the club once he had been assessed by O'Neill and Co. This rule where countries can still call up players even though they are clearly not fit needs to be changed.

Regards the Coleman tackle, I can't believe his team mate Williams didn't even show any interest when it was obvious Seamus had been badly injured...

If McCarthy could be fined he should be and I hope Ireland have to pay compensation to Everton for both players.

Seems the evidence keeps highlighting the need.

"Not that type of player"... Oh, he is that type of player, they showed the replay after the game, he's a thug.

Thoughts are with you, Seamus.

Ashley did go to him... when he was on the floor and as he was carried away on stretcher. Lots of photos on Instagram. Very very sad.

As for McCarthy, Koeman has seriously got to think twice before releasing him; he either can't or won't tell the truth whether he can play or not.

Bang out of order from Ireland, as it was the last time when he played 2 full matches in the space of 3 days. Bang out of order... and I'm Irish.

Poor Coleman... best of luck; bad injury.

That from one of our lovely neighbors.

A friend has just sent me a photo of Coleman leg just after the tackle and it is like rubber – looks an awful leg break.

I don't know how to attach these links. It is not a pretty picture.God love him...

Who gives a flying fuck about Cisse's leg break years ago? They don't even remember it... but WE do. We know our history, but we know theirs too...

I'm learning to let it go, hope you do too, good luck.

It says it all about Seamus Coleman that I don't care about that – I'm just wishing him all the best! Epitomises everything good about Everton!

Good luck Seamus!!

Tackle was horrible and you know what? The player will only have a three-game ban. You can get sent off for calling a referee a twat and get a three game ban. How can both have the same punishment?

If the break is very bad, you can write of next season. Get well soon.

Thankfully these days surgeons can work miracles so, God willing, he will be back.

He's such a wonderful player and an absolute pleasure to watch. Absolutely gutted for him.

The sort of character the club would want in one or two others, okay, just one other, in our squad. Clearly earns respect all round the game and not least from his fellow compatriots. I just hope that, when he's fully recovered he's made our captain.

Add to that, and aside from Coleman being vastly greater footballer than Oviedo, he never really recovered any form after he came back. Poor blokes are going to carry the knowledge of that break around for the rest of their lives, and it will contribute to their decision-making.

Gutted tbh, clearly one of our stronger players. On a flip side, big chance for Holgate.

As for McCarthy's injury, my fear is he's now signed his own transfer papers with Koeman at the helm.

Bolasie, Coleman, McCarthy, Besic and most probably Schneiderlin all missing for the derby etc, not good.

Oviedo is doing fine. He's in the squad for Costa Rica tonight against Mexico. Barkley's playing fantastic. Ramsey, Cisse. Smith have all come back from this without it "contributing to their decision-making."

There's every hope for Coleman to do the same.

I fucking hate all international football.

Re McCarthy – yes, it seems that training methods and tactics are rubbish for Ireland, and that he does what he's told by Irish coaching staff, regardless of what he's learned about injuring himself in the past. Probably Keane and O'Neill to blame there.

The football is rubbish too. They think the only way to win a game is not by passing the ball around but by chasing it and by winning aggressive 50/50 challenges. Well here is the result of that kind of football, and it's not pretty.

They picked McCarthy just to score points in their row with Koeman and it's backfired spectacularly – not that they will care – arseholes.

Poor Seamus, what a tragedy for a lad who is a consummate professional and epitomises everything good about the game. Good luck with your recovery, Seamus.

Then Fifa decided that countries could call up any player and the clubs had to release them. They would then be assessed by the country's doctor. So now you have, like with McCarthy, a difference of opinions between Everton's medics and Ireland's medics. No doubt both under pressure from the respective managers. So the only way to solve it is for an independent body to asses the players fitness.

The player is a worker, and should be protected under the Health and Safety at Work Act. His safety and welfare should take precedence over any other requirements including those of Fifa.

A regulator, such as the HSE, ensuring that proper and responsible decisions are taken, would prevent the likes of O'Neill exercising his ego and getting his way like a spoilt child.

McCarthy also has to be responsible for himself! He wasn't fit, isn't fit, and, to be perfectly honest, should have learned from last time round.

I know I know, we have Holgate, Browning (who isn't match fit) and Lennon, but in those situations when you rotate a midfield player into that position during a game, Macca is the only one to be able to do a somewhat adequate (not great) job. He did that exactly that once before earlier this season.

With Barry losing pace, it just increases that possibility (while Macca is on the field and in case of further injury, ie, if Holgate at RB got injured during a game, Macca would rotate back there, bring Barry on in midfield).