Tosun completes transfer from Besiktas to Everton

Your entitled to your opinion...even though it's shite.

Let's hope Tosun can settle in and help our attacking options.

Welcome Cenk! We did almost good today! You better do better! .

Sandro wasn't booed. He was supported for those very reasons. Koeman just didn't give him a prolonged spell as he flitted between the three strikers he had (including Rooney playing up) before then turning to Niasse. Unsworth discarded Sandro. Still the fans are pretty much behind him and still giving him support.

So I've no doubt that Tosun will get what he needs. He just needs to turn up and do his thing. Let's hope the lad is the answer to our prayers.

Dave (12) if you seriously believe that and it contributes to a negative impression you have of Everton, then chin up son, I've got good news. Supporters of all clubs think that and for a fairly obvious reason; we follow Everton transfers from the first hint of a rumour, through all the on/off hardball bullshit shenanigans that go on, to that final week where it seemed like it'd be done on Monday but isn't actually done til Friday, so that by the time the player signs we think it's dragged on interminably. Other clubs seem to just announce new signings out of the blue. That's because you haven't followed the whole story with their transfers, which have in fact followed pretty much exactly the same pattern. Their fans think Everton just sign players out of the blue, because they haven't followed the whole story with ours. There will be fans round the country who's first knowledge of Everton signing Tosun will be tomorrow when they see a headline. Many of them will think ‘fucking hell, how come Everton can sign players so quickly when my club turns every transfer into a saga?' because they, like you, are looking from a very blinkered perspective. Transfers often take ages, especially when the selling club doesn't want to sell, and sometimes they go relatively smoothly. Everton are no better or worse than anyone else in this, with the possible exception of the very richest and most attractive teams, and Man City took ages to buy John Stones, Barcelona still haven't signed Coutinho, and Man United are currently frustrated about a left back called Sandro they've been trying to sign since the summer. We've actually bought lots of players (too many in fact) really rather efficiently in the last eighteen months.

Peter (2), no he isn't. That's not just a daft thing to say, it's demonstrably false. Try to control your basic emotions, like frustration, instead of just slagging off our young players because something hasn't gone the way you want. Calvert-Lewin is skilled, quick, has a fantastic work ethic and attitude and is learning every time he goes out in the pitch. Although if, by piss poor, you mean that he doesn't control 50 yards lumps at neck height instantly whilst under pressure from two defenders, then either beat the other three who are nearer to him than any of his teammates before running the ball 30 yards forward and lashing it into the top corner, or hold off all five men he's outnumbered by for 4-5 seconds before playing an incisive through ball to the one midfielder who's managed to get near him, then maybe you're right.

Why do the likes of shearer rate him, and why do they all say the goals will come. You need to be patient with him. He's going to be a top striker and he's going to score a load of goals.

I bet if you were a spurs fan, you'd have been saying the same about Kane, only with Kane's lack of pace you might have questioned him more, as comically a load of spurs fans did. It takes young players time to adapt to the men's game, and he's up against international defenders week in week out. Patience please.

Keoman, Unsworth and Allardyce have all had him as a key member of the side, so it tells you that the manager thinks he is the best we have got.

As I have said time and time again, there's two types of defensive midfielder, those who sit and provide the shield, and those who run about and put the tackles in. You can't have one guy do both, because if he runs out and makes a tackle, but misses it, then you've got a gaping hole and the opposition has an almost open door to the goal. Carsley was far better as a defensive shield, but his job was much more limited. Schneiderlin is expected to provide passes and get us going. With Rooney dropping deeper, I thin Schneiderlin has been better, because he's got a shorter pass on, instead of looking up and seeing a lack of movement.

My hope is that Tom Davies can play this role, and that he might be disciplined enough within 3 years. It tends to be the position for an older player, so maybe we will have to sign someone better in the summer.

I think Tosun is a good signing - he will score goals and, more importantly, he will take the pressure off the squad's reliance on DCL.

My take on DCL is that he WILL be a fantastic player, as will Kenny, Holgate and Lookman. We have some genuinely exciting young players at the moment.

My take on Schneiderlin is that he is bang average. He doesn't do alot wrong, but he doesn't do alot of anything.
He and Mirallas need to go.
Sando needs more time.
Klaasen may as well go if no-one will play him.

A lesser spotted Turkish Goal Hound hopefully.

It wasn't a bad performance today but the usual things let us down.

If the Sammies can cure these problems then we can be more hopeful especially with Tosun coming in and Bolasie getting fitter with every match.

DCL tries hard but I question whether he has what it takes to be a regular starter.

If Seamus comes back and they can sort out the other 3 positions then it promises to come good for next season. It's likely Keane and Holgate will be the central partnership down the line but Martina is not up to snuff.

Several players are , quite honestly, on the downward side of their careers and probably won't be at Goodison next season.

I don't like Sniderlin, George, thought he played okay tonight, but one man's meat is another man's poison, because I would definitely build my team around Sigurdson, if I was the Everton manager.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but with all due respect, you must be on another planet with that view of DCL.

DCL may not have set the world on fire, but he's given his all and shown a lot of skill in a very difficult position in a poor side. He's by no means the finished article, but has shown very good potential in his first full season and has a work ethic missing in some players still talked about as having great potential after 6 seasons in the Prem.

Unlike a senior player who played for us tonight, he didn't give the ball away cheaply, stroll around making reckless tackles leading to a booking inside 10 minutes, and trying so hard to get sent off that he had to be substituted, from when on our performance as a team was considerably improved.

I had expected us to lose tonight, but was disappointed in the end and took pride in the performance, which was much better than the one I watched form the main stand on New year's Day.

I wasn't in favour of appointing Sam, but tonight gave me some cause for looking at the future more optimistically, although I know we've plenty of room to improve..

How to accommodate both Rooney and Sigurdsson is the big question for me. And I think in the short term, Rooney central and Sigurdsson wide left is the best solution. But we then need to compensate by getting someone wide right who is fast and skilful, meaning Bolasie. We cannot put Tosun upfront and move Calvert-Lewin to the wing, like Allardyce did at Anfield (first half he was wide and Niasse was central before he moved DCL central and Niasse wide left, before pulling the ineffective Niasse off) or Koeman frequently did as he tried to introduce Sandro and find a spot for Rooney.

Also, we cannot play Sigurdsson and Rooney central with one defensive midfielder, such as Gueye, behind them. Rooney needs a tackler (Gueye / Davies / McCarthy) and a sitter (Schneiderlin) with him. Perhaps Sigurdsson could play with two tacklers and forgo the need to have a sitter if the two tacklers were disciplined enough between them (such as Gueye and McCarthy).

Back to Calvert-Lewin, if you really want to know where he is at, compare him to Solanke and Tammy Abrahams. I think he's better than both of them, and I think most pundits would agree, however, I don't think that was the case during the u20 world cup where Solanke was rated as the best of the three.

P.S. I'm not forgetting Pickford, Keane, Kenny, Holgate, DCL etc...as they have already established themselves imo.

I've yet to see anyone challenge you because you are spot on. It's the same with this notion that we are the worst run club in the world. The majority of clubs in professional football would love to be in Everton' s position . The problem is we want more and unfortunately, even with better finances, we are still way outside the elite.

I would have Fellaini tomorrow, unlikely but hell yes.

Quick question, would folks rather have him or Barkley in the team?

What was massively evident tonight is that we needed a striker who could hold a ball up an create space! That doesn't mean DCL or Niasse still don't have a role to play, or indeed Sandro!

From how bad we were, I see us becoming more of a team and with Tosun, our first glimmerings of becoming a team again, will hopefully get a finishing edge that's been missing.

We've got some fine young players (I love Mason Holgate, he takes no shit from anyone, bit hot headed but gets right in the oppositions faces carry on lad). Jonjoe is becoming almost first choice full back and Dominic has been working like a trojan up front. Hopefully, he and Tosun will compliment each other and cause mayhem for us.

James Mac made such a difference tonight and Schneiderlin pulled his tripes out and maybe we'll see him playing like he did before he got injured. I think we're seeing Sigurdsson beginning to blossom now. We still need strengthening and a left back is absolutely a top priority, but it's getting good players in during the January window that's notoriously difficult.

All in all, I'm looking forward to the second half of the season, as I believe we'll see a team being built up that will give us a decent base for next season.

But then he bosses midfield, gets on the end of crosses, corners etc. If I was big Sam I'd be offering 㾻 million for him seeing as he's unhappy at Man Utd.

Tammy Abraham and Dominic Solanke also got the call-ups to the full England squad in the recent friendlies (v Brazil and Germany), when Calvert-Lewin was over-looked. But that is big club bias if you ask me, as I agree with you that Calvert-Lewin has done more this season than the other two to kick on and establish himself – I just don't know whether others would agree, including Gareth Southgate etc.

Dom is a great trier, we all love that, but he's just not good enough, yet. If we want to improve then we have to get more experienced pros to help and Tosun will do the job. Dom will probably start fewer games now because he just doesn't carry much of a goal threat. A few weeks on the bench, honing his finishing in training and we could have a player there

With Tosun and a few choice additions, I am optimistic

As an example step back to the farce of the managerial appointment – they clearly sacked Koeman without clear thought process of who they wanted or thought they could get and the situation dragged on for ages.

I am just absolutely gutted about this season which probably is affecting my judgement, but to me it is just such a waste. We have achieved nothing, gone backwards and in my view have a weaker squad, and a very negative short term manager.

“We are not going to play open and expansive football” – that said it all to me before the game; we are unfortunately not as good as Liverpool, so yes if we played that way then maybe they would smack us, but our players can play a bit too and maybe we would've caught them on an off day without Salah and Coutinho, our mentality is wrong and until we fix that we will never beat them at Anfield and they know it.

Apologies to Cenk this is nothing about him and probably on the wrong thread, but I wish him well and hope he has a great career at Everton

Most teams introduce the odd youngster into the team when playing well and can possibly cope with it. We have been forced, due to incompetence, to play 3, 4, 5 at a time and, although they've made mistakes, on the whole we should be proud of every one of them.

It seems Calvert-Lewin is getting a bit of stick from the experts well considering he is still learning, plowing a lone furrow up top with no support, getting little if any service, well, I doubt any top class experienced forward would have achieved more.

Hopefully Tosun can take a bit of weight from Calvert-Lewin.

More important is to ask why one week in to the window other serious positional deficiencies have not been rectified? We haven't heard anything about a left back.

Stop laughing at the back.

Glad to hear we had Lookman and Bolasie on again last night to give the opposition more to think about on the ground.

A player can and is identified long before the transfer window is open; agents representing buyer, seller and player have the deal thrashed out.

The day the window is open, the Clubs "officially" speak to each other, the "deal" agreed, the player does the medical and signs. This happens all the time and has happened for years.

The only time problems occur is when there is an issue at the early stage and one of the Clubs misbehave, such as the RS in the Dick Van Dyke scenario... Look how quick this Barkley "transfer" happened.

Everton have known we needed, for example, we have needed a left back for ages. If we had wanted our "representatives" could have put feelers out to say Celtic weeks ago regarding Tierney and a deal done to get him here in the first couple of days of the window.

I know a couple of players who knew they were leaving long before it hit the media and general public.

He seems like a nice chap too, well spoken in interview, and appears to have a brain on him – something I've often thought a lot of our players lack (Barkley, Mirallas, Deulofeu, Niasse spring to mind).

Two footed, decent in the air, good movement and this is key for me – Calvert-Lewin plays his heart out and runs for fun, but his movement isn't very good, and he doesn't exactly worry defenders with his runs, or drag players out of position for our midfield to get forward. Hopefully Tosun will do that.

As for Calvert-Lewin, he is going to be one of the best, he has all the natural tools physically strong, the quickest in the club I read somewhere and he can score given the opportunity. The problem is that he has been in a struggling side creating few chances and offering little support; for a lad of his age he has been excellent under the circumstances.

If we were blessed with several strikers, I would like to see Calvert-Lewin go out on loan like Kane did to get some more experience and to hone his craft; we will then get something very special in return.

His pace is his best asset at present, but the other elements in his game are improving. He has had a thankless task of late, with little service and scant support, so the lad has done well.

Jordan Pickford
Jonjoe Kenny,
Mason Holgate
Michael Keane
Ademola Lookman
Dominic Calvert-Lewin
Tom Davies
Cenk Tosun
James McCarthy
Sandro Ramirez
Yannick Bolasie
Idrissa Gana Gueye
Gylfi Sigurdsson
Muhamed Besic
Seamus Coleman
Ramiro Funes Mori
Beni Baningime
Nikola Vlasic

The above are all young upcoming players or established players who want to plat for Everton.

Regarding Dominic Calvert-Lewin – he reminds very much of a striker we used to have who used to divide opinion when he first arrived at EFC: Graeme Sharp – and look how he turned out given a bit of time & patience.

Come on guys – let's get some positivity going... "Our time will come!"

COYB

When Lookman came on our attack improved. With him on one side and Bolasie on the other we had pace on both sides and our goal came from a quick break up the park. Although how Jags, who I thought had his best game this season, got forward so fast I'll never know. I want to see more of this.

So we have to find a way to accommodate wingers on both sides and keep Sigurdsson on the park as well. Stretch the oppositions defence and allow give a goal threat from both wings. Maybe push Rooney into a DM position next to Gana (it's no coincidence we've struggled while he's been injured) and Sigs behind Tosun. If that doesn't work bench Rooney and put McCarthy next to Gana.

Finally we need to make Keane watch Van Dijk videos so he can see how a proper CB plays and scores at set pieces. Keane has the attributes but he lacks the aggression. Tired of his pussyfooting around. If he can't get some fire in his belly then replace him with someone who has.

Forget mortgage comparisons. This is a billionaire board doing business – not a working man trying to get hold of a solicitor who has 300 other working men trying to do the same thing.

Cup run over and the rest of the season is a fight. We didn't even give ourselves the chance to get on a pedestal for one night.

The manager and fans looked let down after the game (Allardyce nowhere near as upbeat as usual). Tosun may do well nice and quick and we can forget all the incompetence and ride this out for a few more years like we do.

Give Tosun a run with Niasse. It will definitely be interesting but if we play Tosun as the sole striker- where is he going to get creative balls from? There was only Barkley capable of this and we have given him away on a virtual freebie.

We need a quality nippy ball player in the middle. I doubt it will happen though from the hints Allardyce and the club have made.

Lukaku was smarter than people think and saved his energy for the right runs but, like you said, had Barkley there to make that happen.

Sam has seen enough, I feel. It won't be him without a doubt.

But that doesn't excuse lazy opinions. Surely anyone can see that he's a talented young player being asked to do something well beyond his current capability and experience. In fact, the job would be beyond most players given the lack of support he gets.

Hopefully another striker means he can be allowed to develop at his own pace.

Of course, we shouldn't be in this situation; a top Premier League club should have two world class strikers. What about bringing Dowell back to partner Tosun?

I'd like to see him play with Tosun or even as part of a front 3 with Tosun and Bolasie. That's a physical trio that will cause issues for most defenses.

We won't see the best of Tosun immediately, as we haven't seen the best of Calvert-Lewin, because we don't retain/win the ball back, have quality control and avoid giving the ball away.

Forwards don't solve that. Midfield players have that job, and then wide players to move up the pitch.

Sam said that the process of winning the ball, getting good control and putting pressure on the opposition with it, he calls it transition (we did it well for the goal last night) is something that needs work on the coaching pitches. He said that there has been no time for that type of development work since he was appointed; preparing for two games a week took priority.

Well, sadly, we have a bit more space coming up. A full week between our next two games and then a ten day break before Leicester. Far from the season being over, I am eagerly anticipating how the team develops over the next couple of months, especially if we add to the squad in the sparse areas and as players come back from injury.

That said, it will likely take a full window and pre-season to solidify a better approach. Given where we start from with this current crop of players, any manager coming in would tell you that real progress will take three years or more. Unless there are no obvious signs of progress by the end of next season, changing managers will just mean starting again.

I'd have Fellaini back in a heartbeat, by the way. His favoured position, even as a kid, was in front if the back four.

Calvert-Lewin is most definitely a trier and has shown promise. It would help him if he wasn't expected to be the lone striker. Too early to either write him off or to hail him as a long term solution.

I've watched Dowell a couple of times for the U23s and really rate him, but he's a midfield player often used on the wing. He can't be brought back during this season in the terms of the contract with EFC.

Ideally, we should have had Calvert-Lewin and Davies on loan at Championship clubs this season, bulking up and getting more in tune with the physical demands.

Calvert-Lewin is a willing runner but a Premier League striker at this moment in time — he is most definitely NOT, even on the rare occasion he does get into a goal-scoring position, he fluffs it more often than not with a seriously weak shot, and failed to read any one of the three top-drawer crosses Bolasie put in last night.

Davies scored a good goal 12 months ago but has suffered badly this season and the Premier League is at present gobbling up the lad; games are passing him by and looking far too quick for him.

We ought to look into improving the squad in the summer, signing far better quality in the age bracket of 24 to 28 and loaning some of these lads out even for half the season to get them stronger.

The striker we've waited 6 months for signs mid Derby game, 5 days into the window, whilst we're losing and the only remaining chance of a trophy is slipping away and ultimately does.

This is the difference. We've got a losers mentality. 24 years without a trophy now.

Going on to win the Cup would have been a long shot, sure. But we don't really even give ourselves a chance.

We don't exist to win.

How do the custodians of our once great club get away with it?

It just shows what a load of crap is written on the amounts being bandied about leading up to the transfer. Nowhere near 㿇m, by the way.

Add to the list:

No away win at Chelsea since 1994;

No away win at Arsenal since 1996;

One win at Old Trafford since 1992 (under the much maligned Martinez);

Never won the League Cup in our history.

Since the inception of the Champions League new format in the early 1990s, we have never once reached the group stages – yet heavyweights like Blackburn and Leicester have!

You are right, Ian, how do the custodians and powers-that-be endlessly get away with consistent failures??

This fella, regardless of his quality, has spent so many games on the front foot with Beskitas who win most of their games. If he's asked to become a donkey over-night it doesn't bode well.

Solely on the video stuff, he likes a shot from distance. Pace, not so much... but has excellent physical presence. I also hope Calvert-Lewin is not binned as a result.

You talk about service but last night Bolasie has put in numerous “striker's dream “ crosses that any centre-forward worthy of their salt would be licking their lips with. It was crying out for a centre-forward in the Giroud or Andy Carroll mould.

Calvert-Lewin was nowhere near challenging for at least three of them and the one he did challenge for, he was out-muscled by that powerhouse Andy Robertson.

Yes, the lad is young but I don't want to be seeing him leading the line again at this club until he has developed both himself physically and worked far more on ball control, shooting power etc.

He needs a good honest year toughing it out on loan where you get chances to make mistakes and learn how to be stronger. The position we are in, we need production now – not five years away.

We are not a training club for the young; we need established quality players to win us games like last night's (against a Liverpool team that were there for the taking second half).

In my opinion, this site could be that organizing force. I know the editors don't want to really take a stand on one side or the other. But, in my opinion, they should. This site could be the rallying cry to finally hold the club accountable for decades of failure. No doubt some people will leave the site, those who say any criticism means you aren't a true blue. But I think it would attract many more discontented voices that are sick to death of the way this club is run and with Kenwright as Chairman.

We are taking shape and the next two years are very promising in my view.

I was thinking the same watching Bolasie getting some quality crosses in. We are crying out for a striker in his prime to get on the end of those sort of balls.

Sigurdsson and Rooney are also capable of providing balls in of top quality. Tosun will get good service, I hope, and deliver.

Calvert-Lewin needs more time and strength. He is a boy still, and playing against seasoned Premier League defenders is very tough. A loan season makes sense.

As to support or service, you might note we played a very different way last night as to previously under Allardyce. It actually resembled contesting a game. He even said it was win or bust.

Based on Allardyce's career and games to date with us, I cannot see that evolution,. I'd hope though, with the season over, he is is directed to season the promising players and change his tactics, to give this Evertonian something to cling to.

Firstly, we are customers, consumers of what Everton Football Club's owners choose to offer. We are more passionately engaged than those who patronise Tesco but no different. The only way customers show their dissatisfaction at Tesco is to shop elsewhere. Protests will have no effect but by all means try to organise one. The last one went well, not really.

Secondly, given the balance of views on here, far more critical in general than the people I meet home and away, I question whether you could generate greater support for your views than already exists.

I haven't spoken to one fan at the game who likes Kenwright. Have you?

If anyone cares.

Toh-sun/Toh-shun

I will accept either variation, Lyndon!

The good thing about Tosun, if he proves to be any good (remember we have bought one or two 㿀-30m turkeys recently) is that he will give Calvert-Lewin a chance to have a rest. Doing what he is doing every game would burn anyone out. And it would be interesting to see him playing alongside Tosun – having someone within earshot might take a bit of getting used to though...

But I think that would need to be in a 5-3-2 and to make that work, we need a left back who can play wing back. Shaw for example, or Chilwell. Martina is not close to being able to while I think Baines wouldn't have the energy needed anymore.

One thing is for certain the honeymoon period that Sam was had before Christmas is now over and we need to get back to basics again.

Hope you can fill the goals gap.

The majority appreciate what he has done for the club, few are subscribers to the various conspiracy theories that are trotted out regularly. I think it is significant that most have been STHs for many years. We sat together during darker days including the Johnson era which left us in a debt that meant that Moyes was hamstrung in terms of spending.

Cue another Kenwright thread.

Kenwright has been on the board since the 80s so was a big part of the Johnson regime. At least the Johnson regime won us a cup.

He may have been a twat but to blame him for Moyes being hamstrung for cash years later is crazy.

The Rooney fee provided our entire transfer kitty for about a decade. He's a conman and Everton fans have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.

The overall frustration of many of us spills out and finds the scapegoat default setting. It's really uplifting to to read a more considered post. Thanks.

Almost forgot... Welcome, Cenk! COYB.

As for Moyes being hamstrung, he said it himself.

Plenty of teams play with wide forwards but I can't think of one single side that ever plays two strikers as out and out strikers.

I'd like to see the trio of Calvert-Lewin, Tosun & Bolasie with Sigurdsson behind them given plenty of game time between now and seasons end. Bit of pace, Physicality & a little bit of guile. Also plenty of opportunities for Lookman please.

The only way to make a 4-4-2 work is to have one striker lead the line, and the other striker drop off a little. This pushes the midfield centre a bit deeper and allows the wingers to push up a little. Oh wait, that's a 4-2-3-1.

I don't want Nzonzi – he is Sam's Schneiderlin. With our new striker and the return of Bolasie, the continuing emergence of Lookman... the only player I'd go for now as a must is a left back.

They need a defender for 6 months and he is signed and ready to play on 1st January, we need a centre forward for 6 months and haggle over a fee so he can't play in the cup game. Result, their defender scores the winner, typical Everton.

Moshiri needs to get Kenwright out of the door and run the club in his way. Hopefully he can do a proper job and sort the whole place.

Left-Back: Alex Telles from Porto. Strong, fast, excellent crosser, enjoys a tackle. Will probably get snapped up by a Champions League club next Summer but perhaps we could get him now if we made a handsome bid (probably upwards of 㿀m). I'd also love Shaw but not sure they'd sell.

Deep playmaker: Leandro Paredes. I know. We've got lots of central midfielders. But few who can really take care of the ball and do the legwork too. This lad can. Upgrade Schneiderlin and throw in some McCarthy and you get this young Argentine. Similar to Banega who I wish we had got. Could be the Arteta replacement we've been needing since he left.

I enjoy and respect your tactical analysis. However, I must fundamentally disagree this time. 4-4-2, in my view, is only like playing with ten men if you have the wrong two up front. Yes, it takes special players, but if you have them, it works.

Now, I know you will disagree with this but one of the great Juventus sides played 4-4-2. They played with Vialli and Ravinelli up top and it worked because they worked.

I understand that the formation had a fluidity about it but it was set up as 4-4-2. It can work with the right players and an imaginative coach. Also, to be honest, a young Roy Keane would help.

The club has done well getting Tosun early and I am confident they will be doing their best to get the best possible left back.

It will be tough prising a good one away from a club competing for promotion or cups. We may have to settle for a loan until June to consolidate the position until Baines can get fit and compete for it.

Using your argument, what were Jagielka and Holgate doing when the corner came in? Every year, I think we will turn the corner against them but the clock is now ticking into its 8th year since a win. Coyb

I live in Leeds, it's much more complex than just the European dream they tried to achieve.

However, if you love Bill, that's fine... I'm happy for you.

Moyes blaming Peter Johnson for his lack of cash!! Yes, that's totally correct as well...

Are you related to Richard Dodd?

Agent Reveals Crystal Palace Were Hours Away From Signing £27m Everton Transfer Cenk Tosun

Doesn't look it was a factor in the transfer shenanigans, however, as it was back in August.