Report: Everton favour Sandro loan over permanent sale

Saturday, 27 January, 2018 55comments  |  Jump to most recent

Sandro Ramirez will be allowed to leave on a temporary basis this month but Everton are said to be reluctant to lose him entirely.

The Spanish striker has fallen completely out of the reckoning under Sam Allardyce after failing to convince the manager with his display against Chelsea last month and it was reported this week that he had made clear his desire to leave.

A return to Spain, possibly to Sevilla, has been mooted but the Liverpool Echo now claim that Everton aren't writing him off just yet and that they would prefer to grant him a loan move to get first-team action for the remainder of the season.

The report suggests that they are looking for a £2m loan fee for Sandro who has also been linked with a move to Newcastle until the end of the season.


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Martin Clark
1 Posted 27/01/2018 at 07:11:01
I reckon it's the best option as he obviously must have talent as we saw last season. If he can go to a premier league side he can bed in to the league and hopefully show what he offers and be ready for next season.

I feel the same about Klaassen, as they really look like they could be awesome if they settle and perform to how their potential suggests.

Mark Tanton
2 Posted 27/01/2018 at 07:23:22
Seems short-sighted and unfair to get rid of him so short into his time here. But then I haven't worked with him.

On a related issue, how have Everton not managed to hit the woodwork once this season? More evidence of how little we create and how utterly thankless being a forward at Everton is.

Sam Hoare
3 Posted 27/01/2018 at 07:26:39
If he wanted to go to Newcastle (and I’d imagine that he’d prefer Spain) and he got into their first team and scored some goals I reckon that would be beneficial to all parties. Unless we were in a relegation battle with them!
Kim Vivian
4 Posted 27/01/2018 at 07:57:14
Word is out that he wants a move, and suddenly 5 clubs evidently are in for him. If we lose him permanently to a rival, that will likely come back to bite our collective arses. A loan has to be the sensible option so he can get a chance to show us what he is made of under a manager who can play to his strengths. With Fat Sam in charge I'm surprised most are not looking for a move.

A good loan spell will boost his confidence (and value one assumes), but in my opinion it would just be madness to shift him permanently before he has had a proper chance. Another player with good potential who is the right ingredient but in the wrong recipe.

Tony Everan
5 Posted 27/01/2018 at 08:12:19
I think we all can see there is a top player in Sandro. He needs more time to adjust and more time to mature mentally.

Selling him would be a big mistake.

Give him a loan to the best club possible who will play him, week-in & week-out. In 8 months time, he could be ready to make an impact.

Harry Wallace
6 Posted 27/01/2018 at 08:22:15
The whole saga is ridiculous.

Firstly, he gets 20 or 30 mins against the Champions and that's his lot. Even before that, barely any minutes. In a team with zero confidence and tactics.

Secondly, we'd be foolish to loan him to a Spanish club. He needs to learn the British style of footy. If he goes back, that's his UK career finished before the season ends. I say more first team chances or loan him to a UK team with the caveat that he cannot play against us.

John Keating
7 Posted 27/01/2018 at 08:25:22
A loan to a good club sounds ideal for all parties.

Once Allardyce goes he may well find a place in the squad.

A regular start may well up his fitness and confidence which will benefit us and him if he starts knocking the ball in the net.

Alternatively, if he can't make it at another club here in England, then maybe he was never going to...

Andy Mead
8 Posted 27/01/2018 at 08:27:45
No point in loaning him out to a foreign team as how is that going to help him adjust to the English game? Maybe loan him to a Championship side?

I think it's unfair on the boy as even Bale, Messi or Ronaldo couldn't inspire our sorry lot!

Him and Klaassen have walked right into a proper shit-show!

John Malone
9 Posted 27/01/2018 at 08:29:52
Get shut – he's too slow and not strong enough for our league those don't get better being out on loan!
Liam Reilly
10 Posted 27/01/2018 at 08:46:32
I can't understand why the lad hasn't had a sniff of the Everton first team who couldn't even win the crossbar challenge, never mind win a game of football.

If he goes back to Spain and does well, then he'll not be rushing back to Merseyside.

Derek Knox
11 Posted 27/01/2018 at 09:06:13
The lad is obviously frustrated, and to a degree I can understand that, but if Sam is to be believed, he threw down the challenge for all squad members to prove their worth.

Okay, we don't know exactly what goes on but Sam did say that he and Klaassen haven't risen to the occasion (perhaps Viagra in the treatment room would have helped); whether that is true or not, is just speculation.

Perhaps a loan spell may build his confidence, and he comes back, under a different manager a different prospect but, as Liam says, he may not want to come back!

Dave Abrahams
12 Posted 27/01/2018 at 09:12:10
He has fallen out of favour following an unconvincing display against Chelsea. He came on in the second half and played in a team that had nine men camped (mainly) in our own half. He chased balls back to the Chelsea goalkeeper then looked around to see who was backing him up, nobody, that wasn't a chance he was given in that game, no centre-forward in the world would have impressed that day playing as we did in that game.

Calvert Lewin has had to play the same role most of the season and has toiled manfully (still gets loads of stick on here) and done a more than decent job. Tosun is facing the same problem. Niasse has proved to be better at it with his amount of goals but it is a thankless task. The Arsenal striker we chased without success wouldn't have fared much better in this team and formation.

Sandro has not had a clear run for a number of games, but again, it is the style of play that is the problem; if it isn't sorted out before the end of the season, Everton face a very bleak future where we are going.

Bryan Houghton
13 Posted 27/01/2018 at 09:27:08
If you remember, we weren't the only team to trigger his release fee, and he desperately wanted to go to Atletico Madrid – they wanted him, but they had a transfer ban. The talk at the time was that he thought about doing a Costa, and sit it out.

Suddenly he turned up here – for what I think we now realise was a pretty hefty wage. I just wonder whether his heart is fully in it, and whether it ever really was.

He undoubtedly has talent, personally I like him, but watching him play is a bit like watching my 14-year-old son play for the school team when it was raining. They wanted him there, cos he could deffo do a bit, but it was cold and wet, so he'd try a bit, but if it didn't come off, he'd complain he'd been fouled, or he'd fall over. He'd rather be playing with the better players for the town team on a Saturday, and had to do this in the meantime.

Or maybe, its a bit like you miss out on the gorgeous blonde you've always fancied, so you allow yourself to be chatted up by someone who doesn't really do it for you & she flatters your ego for a bit, but deep down you know its not gonna work, and your at the stage of trying to work out how to get out of it politely.

(Sorry about the analogies, but i kinda got into the flow :) )

I hope I'm wrong – we get mixed messages from the club and press regarding his committment to know for sure.

I just think he hasn't got over not getting the Atletico gig. Can we convince him to want to stay – I hope so, but doubt it.

Gio Mero
14 Posted 27/01/2018 at 09:29:26
Not good enough for a top team in the Premier League. Once he's back to Spain there's not a chance he'll have another 16 goal season.

I read a great piece of analysis on his goal-scoring last season and, unless we are talking about an absolute phenomenon, the evidence is there to suggest he's a 10-goal a season player at best (still a luxury for us this season, I know).

Tony Abrahams
15 Posted 27/01/2018 at 09:44:25
It could be your analogies are correct, Bryan, but I think every player who has come to Everton, over the last two years, maybe barring Pickford, has struggled?

I personally think the problem started with Ronald, and your post about analogies would have been much more appropriate if it was about our former manager.

This season has been a disaster – no style, no craft, no continuity, and no chance of this ending anytime soon, which is the biggest worry of the lot.

I'm glad we don't want to sell Sandro though, because under the circumstances I think most of our summer signings deserve another chance to prove themselves, especially the foreign players, who could never have envisaged what they were walking into when they signed for Everton this summer.

Rob Hooton
16 Posted 27/01/2018 at 09:47:49
I would rather he was actually given a chance and played up top with Calvert-Lewin or Tosun – drop Schneiderlin and have Gueye protecting the back four a la Carsley – and actually try and win a damn game!
David Pearl
17 Posted 27/01/2018 at 10:05:32
Have him or Klaassen even been tried on the U23s for experience and fitness?! Poor all around by management and club (and players). No use selling him now when his value is low.

Let him put himself in the shop window and show he can score a goal. If that's in England or Scotland, we might be wanting to keep him. If it's back in Spain, it's only to bump up the summer transfer fee.

David McMullen
18 Posted 27/01/2018 at 10:52:49
Seems a lot want these players to be given a chance. I think a loan is best to get him playing then get rid in the summer.

This is the trouble with us – we're too nice... too nice on the pitch and too nice with poor players. The standard and quality we've recruited is a big factor why we're so bad.

Jamie Evans
20 Posted 27/01/2018 at 11:20:58
Oh to be a team that plays 2 up front.
Brian Hennessy
21 Posted 27/01/2018 at 11:25:49
It's impossible to judge any striker on performances in this Everton team as we create almost no chances. I'm not saying Sandro is going to be good enough but it's too early to call.

Until we get a new manager who plays constructive football, moves away from having two defensive midfielders, signs some better midfielders who create chances – only then will we know what Sandro, Calvert-Lewin, Tosun and Niasse are really made of.

Johan Elmgren
22 Posted 27/01/2018 at 11:35:46
If we sell him without a proper chance to make an impact, that would be a huge mistake. The lad clearly has ability, you don't score 16 goals in a season in La Liga if you're a dud.

Next season when we have a real manager who want to play attacking football, Sandro could be of really good use. He has good movement and is a smart player with good technical ability, prefect for a team that wants to play attacking football.

A loan to Newcastle would be perfect. He'll play for a manager who really wants him instead of one who discards him after 10 minutes on the pitch...

Mike Keating
23 Posted 27/01/2018 at 12:06:55
John @ 22,

I'm not sure where the idea comes from that we will be rid of Allardyce next season. As far as I recall, he got himself an 18-month deal, so, unless Moshiri is going to add another bunce to the £20m he has already splashed out in managerial compo, the Spurious One is here for another season at least.

Johan Elmgren
24 Posted 27/01/2018 at 12:15:15
Well Mike, nothing is for certain, but most Everton-fans want him gone, and the team isn't performing, so I'd say it would be very surprising if he was kept beyond the summer.

I think the reason he was only given an 18-month contract was that it wouldn't be too expensive to kick him out if it wasn't working... and it clearly isn't!

Eddie Dunn
25 Posted 27/01/2018 at 12:30:55
It is an example of modern PL football. There is simply no time to waste getting players to adjust to the high tempo. The fitness has to be there – just look at Barkley for Chelsea the other night. Rusty, off the pace.

Sandro has had poor service and like many strikers, seems unable to create things for himself. Niasse is the exception to the rule. His enthusiasm and bundling physicality at least creates panic and general mayhem and his natural instinct for goal helps him cash-in.

Even if we were totally safe from relegation, I doubt that the coach would have much patience with Klaassen or Sandro. The need for a high position and Europa League football will overide the indulgence to help individuals bed-in.

Managers are now sacked after a handfull of defeats and so can't afford to experiment with players who are taking time to settle.

Look at Slimiani at Leicester and Gabbiadini at Southampton. They were both players that we were reportedly interested in, but their respective coaches have lost patience with them. Now Charlie Austin is out, Gabbiadini is being given another chance, but it does show that these guys from Spain or Italy don't always take to the Premier League.

I personally like Klaassen and think he could do a job with the right midfielders, but I fear we will watch him do very well somewhere else.

Jon Withey
26 Posted 27/01/2018 at 12:50:11
No idea how good he is really; one bad performance doesn't make a bad player – especially in our dysfunctional team.
Amit Vithlani
27 Posted 27/01/2018 at 12:59:15
Can't we loan out Steve Walsh?
Brian Williams
28 Posted 27/01/2018 at 13:22:45
One MAJOR problem with that Amit.

We'd have to have him back!

David Pearl
29 Posted 27/01/2018 at 13:25:37
We could loan him to the Red Shite for the rest of the year and sit back and enjoy the carnage as they've been able to.
Michael Lynch
30 Posted 27/01/2018 at 14:11:21
A loan to another Premier League side would be the best option for sure, see how he got on in a different system or with a different manager or with different players, because he's had a few chances here and hasn't shone on even one occasion that I can think of.

Just to counter Johan @22, there's no doubt there's a very vociferous slice of fans who didn't want Sam and still don't want him but, as analogies seem to be popular on here – it's a bit like Brexit. I don't know anybody who said they wanted it, but it turned out just over half the country did. The silent majority as they say.

Now I'm not saying Sam is popular at Everton, but I reckon a lot of fans are willing to give him a fair crack of the whip til the end of the season and see what he can do. So far, the football is no better or worse than it was under Koeman or Unsworth, so he has a mountain to climb to convince, but I'm sure I'm not the only supporter who is open-minded about Allardyce's future.

Mike Keating
31 Posted 27/01/2018 at 14:15:18
If you are correct Johan, I just hope we have lined up a replacement before Moshiri hits the Eject button again!

So depressing being a Blue after all the early excitement following the new owner's fanfare.

Johan Elmgren
32 Posted 27/01/2018 at 14:34:24
Michael (#30), maybe you are right and there are a lot of silent fans out there that like him, but I feel that there are more vocal fans now than before. More fans voicing their opinions than normal.

There was a poll recently on some website where I think around 75% wanted him removed. Yes, I know it's not the truth, but it's a hint of the truth. I can only go to myself, I haven't been a vocal fan before, but this management has me feeling frustrated and wanting to voice my concerns, because of the way we're playing, and I think there might be more fans like me out there, just "starting" to be vocal.

I didn't want Allardyce, he's a dinosaur coach with dinosaur tactics and I thought he was appointed for all the wrong reasons, but I was willing to let him have a go before writing him off. I don't care if we have a dinosaur manager as long as we are successful and plays somewhat attractive football, but this manager will bring us neither of that, and of that I'm pretty certain. He just doesn't have the tools...

Yes, he won a couple of games in the beginning, but the team was playing awful and rode their luck. It would at least have gained the team some confidence and momentum, but it didn't seem to, and I think that is because he has no gameplan except for sitting really tight in defence and hoping to get a fluke goal. I think the players feel that also and that's why they are crap, they have no-one to guide them... They don't know how to play...

I guess we'll see how it pans out, losing games is a sure recipe for getting the sack, so if we keep doing it without any signs of progress, he'll be gone in the summer.

Johan Elmgren
33 Posted 27/01/2018 at 14:39:59
Yeah Mike (#31), I hope so too, the Koeman-sacking was a debacle. It shouldn't have taken so long to hire a new coach... and I think that was the main reason why they finally turned to Allardyce, they just didn't have any other choice.
Derek Knox
35 Posted 27/01/2018 at 15:47:41
Ironic really that, with all the furore over Marco Silva, they appoint Sam; and a matter of weeks later, Silva is available.

Like someone said, a matter of timing again.

Bill Gienapp
36 Posted 27/01/2018 at 19:46:12
Mike (#23) – unless the quality of football rises dramatically, I'd be pretty surprised to see Allardyce anywhere near Goodison next season. The cost of paying him off would be commensurate to what we were offering Watford for Silva, so I don't think that'll be a huge sticking point.
Jack Convery
37 Posted 27/01/2018 at 20:46:17
Let him go to Newcastle. If the Waiter can't get anything out of him, then no-one can. I see Atsu is doing okay at Newcastle – not brilliant but okay. Better than he ever did here.

The problems in my opinion are the players have not gelled and, as Baines said under Martinez, something's not right and 3 years later it's still the same.

James Flynn
38 Posted 27/01/2018 at 22:23:10
Sandro, like everyone else in the squad, needs a better manager at Everton.
Jerome Shields
40 Posted 27/01/2018 at 23:59:19
At the moment, Everton are not a good footballing team. Any players who comes from an organised team, built on supportive play will have difficulty playing for Everton. Lookman (though a trier), Sandro, Vildic, Tosun and Walcott (another trier if not injured) are all in this boat.

Also a host of players from our good footballing U23 squad, The exception is Niasse, who built a career being a lone-wolf operator and the great trier Aaron Lennon (a loss).

Sandro is a good footballer who, on loan, will play well in any organised team with supportive play, but Allardyce will have to be gone before he comes back, if Everton are to gain from his skills. Niasse, while in the U23s and the loan period, allowed him time to practice and adjust to the Premier League. His performances had nothing to do with the management since, except under, Unsworth. But he was a player who can play in any team. Sandro and Tosun are not like him.

This is the problem that Everton have going forward under Allardyce.

David Israel
41 Posted 28/01/2018 at 01:46:31
John (#24), Whatever Allardyce's shortcomings, if we were to fire him at the end of the season, we would deserve the tag of 'Watford Mk II'. We would become a laughing stock.

And any prospective successor would look at how easily this former haven of stability lets managers go these days, and would probably have second thoughts. Unless things go very seriously wrong, it would be totally foolish, in my view, to sack him.

The reason he was only given an 18-month contract was perhaps a compromise between the 6 months we purportedly wanted to sign him for originally, and his understandable wish for a longer contract.

Don Alexander
42 Posted 28/01/2018 at 02:08:57
And David (#41), Allardyce or anyone's wish for a meaningful contract needs most to be felt by the players. They may have all sorts of misgivings about whoever is newly appointed as manager but they're all very well aware of how luxurious their own lives are.

If a manager is given a mere 18 months, it sends a deffo message to the squad that he's short-term toast as far as even the board is concerned. That means they don't need to give a shit about him because all of them know that a serious injury may easily take 18 months out of their career and are subliminally comfortable with that sort of misfortune.

In other words 18 months is manageable to them, and they're off the leash as a result, and can do/not do what they want, regardless. They contractually will be here after he's gone after all.

And no, I'm not certain by any means that Allardyce with a three/four year contract would have been the answer but Moshiri needs, for his sake and ours, to get it right next time.

Up to now he's merely established himself in the world of professional football as a bit of a prick, and that saddens and worries me given the number of vultures in the so-called professional game.

David Israel
43 Posted 28/01/2018 at 02:49:01
Yes, Don, I basically agree with what you say.
John Smith
44 Posted 28/01/2018 at 03:00:00
Loan him out to a Championship team. He needs to toughen up.
John Pierce
45 Posted 28/01/2018 at 03:05:35
This is part of a bigger problem, Everton look like giving up on several lf the major investments made in the summer. Vlasic, Klaassen, Keane, Sandro and to a lesser extent Lookman & Davies are being ruined.

All victims of not being graded into the first team but thrown in and thrown out again. Over £100m in talent not figuring regularly for our team.

If we actually had a proper Director of Football, then none of these players would leave the club or be rumoured to after 12 months or less in the first team.

Dereliction, negligence of the shittest order.

Andy Codling
46 Posted 28/01/2018 at 06:22:12
I've never been so disinterested in football in my life.
Rob Baker
47 Posted 28/01/2018 at 08:02:51
I know what you mean Andy (#46), a colleague of mine said something about did I watch Willan's goal's vs Brighton, I said no, I only watch MotD when Everton win and he responded with you haven't watched MotD much this season then.

Sums us up completely, the butt of people's jokes. I wear my Everton winter jacket and young lads smirk at it.

Danny Broderick
48 Posted 28/01/2018 at 08:57:48
We should loan out our young lads who are currently underperforming, and who are suffering from the way we are playing currently. The likes of Lookman, Davies and even Sandro would benefit massively from regular football somewhere else - hopefully like Kieran Dowell has done.

We just need to get through the next 4 months now. Hopefully we can get rid of some deadwood, and have a positive summer and start well again next season.

John Davies
49 Posted 28/01/2018 at 10:50:50
Danny (#48). I agree, mate. I hope the first deadwood to be shifted is Allardyce. That would be a positive start.
Phil Brown
50 Posted 28/01/2018 at 11:18:48
I don't think that Allardyce will be here after the summer.

His bonus for keeping us in the Premier League is 12 months pay, ie, £6M, and then we can hopefully get the right manager in – one who can blend our emerging young players with some experienced players to create a good, strong, developing team that we can all be proud of.

Our future is wholly dependent upon the choice of our next manager.

Frank Crewe
51 Posted 28/01/2018 at 12:42:39
Phil @51,

Weren't Moyes, Martinez and Koeman each the "right manager"?

Who is this next miracle manager who is going to propel us into the footy stratosphere? Because I doubt even Pep could do anything more with our current squad than Sam is now.

Adam Scott
52 Posted 28/01/2018 at 13:09:35
The problem Everton have got is that there is too much 'short-termism' with the managers.

Martinez lost his way, we all get that. After him, though, it has been pretty much disastrous, continuing with the appointment of Sam. The Sandro deal, failure to blood Lookman etc encapsulates it.

Transfer policy has been a joke because of two reasons, I believe:

1) In Koeman, and now in Allardyce, we have managers who either don't see a long-term future at the club (Koeman) or don't have one due to their contract (Allardyce). Therefore, short-termism has dominated transfer policy. Sigurdsson and Walcott are prime examples. Neither really the player we need, and both expensive, limited signings.

2) Walsh's failure (because of whatever) to impose himself on transfer dealings. The long-term vision ought to come from him. Apparently he wanted Gray from Leicester, for example. It has been him that has pushed several of our young purchases. At elite level, he hasn't called the shots. We have therefore ended up with an odd system that is directionless.

For me, I would look at Fonseca or Silva in the summer. Decide what exactly we want Walsh to do, and stick with it. Let a manager impose an achievable vision (not a Martinez approach, but one that is attainable and may work). In this vision, I would hope that players like Sandro were supported more than he seems to have been thus far.

Barry Connor
53 Posted 28/01/2018 at 19:59:14

Can't argue with your analysis, except that leaving it to the summer may be too late given our current form.

If we had a strong defence, we could probably get there, but at the moment I think it is touch and go as to whether we will be in the Premier League next summer!

David Currie
54 Posted 29/01/2018 at 19:55:42
Silva?? Gets the Watford job and then after a few months wants to jump ship, no loyalty and deserves the sack.

Why would he be better than someone like Eddie Howe who has done well over 3/4 years in the premier league with a small club and plays a good attacking style of football?

Oh yeah – he's not foreign.

Terence Tyler
55 Posted 30/01/2018 at 21:56:26
Sandro gone to Seville on loan to end of season. official.
Tony Hill
56 Posted 30/01/2018 at 22:13:42
Mahrez has put in a transfer request. Helpful of him.
Rob Young
57 Posted 30/01/2018 at 22:21:36
I was actually looking forward to seeing Mahrez at Goodison tomorrow. Good player.

It will help us, obviously. Just proves how ridiculous it is that we have a full round of fixtures today and tomorrow.

Here's hoping Sandro will score a few v Man Utd in the Europa League.

Ray Robinson
58 Posted 30/01/2018 at 22:22:27
Tony, I saw that too. He surely can't play tomorrow night now even if Leicester do want to keep him?

We desperately need a win tomorrow night now and I'll take any help we can get.

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