Lookman forces Leipzig loan deal

Wednesday, 31 February, 2018 133comments  |  Jump to most recent

Ademola Lookman secured a surprise deadline-day move to the Bundesliga, one that manager Sam Allardyce described as "one of the strangest situations" he has dealt with

Ademola Lookman has joined German outfit Red Bull Leipzig on loan from Everton until the end of the season, seemingly against the advice of the club.

Lookman's surprise move was announced just 10 minutes before this evening's Premier League fixture against Leicester City and comes just two days after manager Sam Allardyce had insisted he wouldn't be loaned out because of Aaron Lennon's recent sale to Burnley.

Following Everton's 2-1 win at Goodison Park, Sam Allardyce admitted that the player's "stubbornness" had brought the move about, one which he said the club tried to talk him out of and which would be a "big challenge" in terms of the 20-year-old's development given his age and the language barrier.

"It is one of the most unusual situations I've been in," Allarydce said. "We got some [other] deals for him but he was adamant [and] he chose Germany."

"His stubbornness meant he got his own way. I hope he proves us all wrong because it's important for him; it's very important for us that he goes and develops out there.

"They are in a very good position in the Bundesliga so it will be very interesting to see."

Lookman joined the Blues a year ago in a £10m transfer from Charlton Athletic and made an instant impact by scoring within minutes of coming on as a substitute in the 4-0 win over Manchester City.

He struggled to convince former manager Ronald Koeman that he could hold down a first-team place and has found the Dutchman's successor even more difficult to win over.

Though he started the Europa League fixture against Apollon Limassol in November and bagged a brace in a convincing 3-0 win, he has barely featured in Everton's team.

Having been overlooked over the Festive programme, the forward came on as a substitute in the FA Cup Third Round tie against Liverpool where he came off the bench to play a significant role in the equalising goal in that match but has not played any minutes since.


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Anthony Hughes
1 Posted 30/01/2018 at 22:55:42
Allardyce is here for the big fat wedge. He isn't here to be our hero and saviour. It's all about the money.
John Hammond
2 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:33:16
Lookman loaned to Liepzieg. It just gets better!
Tommy Coleman
3 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:37:35
Lookman gone. Clueless!

Roll on the summer.

Paul Columb
4 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:40:31
Lookman on loan is my no-confidence line in the sand I'm afraid. I really have no idea what is happening to our club but from a supporters vantage point, it looks dismal.
Alastair Donaldson
5 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:45:55
Lookman to Liepzig

Let's hope this line-up knows where there all playing and what's at stake.

On paper we have creativity and pace, but the back 4, I don't know that works.

We should have enough possession, but let's go forward / directly...and be ready to stop their counter attacking, because that's what they do.

Joseph Terrence
6 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:40:14
Paul Joyce reporting Lookman gone to RB Leipzig until the summer.
John Pickles
7 Posted 31/01/2018 at 20:48:00
Lookman has gone on loan to RB Leipzig for the rest of the season according to Sky Sports. The scattergun approach to 'improving' this squad continues.
Vijay Nair
8 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:47:14
"[Ademola] wouldn't be available on loan because Aaron Lennon went a few days ago," Allardyce said.

You are full of shit, Sam.

Tony Hill
9 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:08:31
As for Lookman, Allardyce’s full quote makes it clear he wants him back and that he hopes the player proves him and the coaches wrong. Hardly scandalous.
Si Cooper
10 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:13:26
I wish the club would only allow statements on what has happened, not what might / might not. Makes it look like we are not really in control of the destinies of our contracted players.
Brian Hennessy
11 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:27:07
From the BBC – Sam Allardyce on Ademola Lookman's decision to join RB Leipzig: "It's one of the most unusual situations I've been in. It was his choice. He was adamant he wanted Germany. We tried to persuade him not to. But his stubbornness got him his way."
Lev Vellene
12 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:35:04
Brian, that sounds as if Lookman has already understood he would only get regular games away from Everton under Sam Allardyce. So I think his reasoning is good! Allardyce would at best have kept him for subs, and probably not even for that...

If you love your craft, ply your craft! And we still have Lookman returning after the summer...

John Pierce
13 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:41:45
Lookman knows getting away from Allardyce is the best thing for his career. This comes from a lad who is quoted as being homesick!

The fact Sam ‘has to’ dish the dirt on someone he doesn’t rate and who has defied him tells you what sort of person Sam is.

Wholly unnecessary, ensuring Lookman never plays for Everton again whilst he's in charge.

Robert Jones
14 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:48:47
Is he actually trying to get sacked? The sheer level of incompetence, on SO MANY levels, would be laughable if it wasn't so distressing.
Andy Crooks
15 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:49:51
John, I agree. The coach's comments about Lookman demonstrate, in my view, a man ultra sensitive to any imagined slight. Sam is never wrong.
Paul McIntyre
16 Posted 31/01/2018 at 22:54:09
Why is Bullshit Sam saying, "We tried to persuade Ademola not to go to Germany, not good for his development" etc???

If you want him to stay.. say "You're not going." End of.

Nik Ramsden
17 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:07:20
I think he was saying there were a few options for Lookman and they didn't feel the German option was the best one but Lookman insisted that was where he wanted to go.
Jerome Shields
18 Posted 01/02/2018 at 01:21:10

Allardyce surprised at the Lookman position after saying he hadn't the experience of coping with the Premier League during the week... What a plonker!

Lookman in the changing room with the other young players who decided their future is not with Everton and asked to be loaned out? I am not one bit surprised... Allardyce may have achieved a reduction in squad size and wages, but at what cost to Everton's future?

Si Cooper
19 Posted 01/02/2018 at 02:32:49
Nik, the first report I saw (on BBC or Sky) made it sound like Ademola had forced the club to loan him out, but your comment made me check online and when you see the full quotes it is apparent that what you say is correct.

Why shouldn’t a player choose which club they would prefer to go to on loan? If the club are worried about his development, perhaps they shouldn’t be letting him go anywhere. The lad was playing in the Championship before we picked him up, I’m not surprised he wants to try something different.

John Daley
20 Posted 01/02/2018 at 03:21:41
I don't really get what Allardyce finds so unusual. The club agreed a deal for Lookman to go on loan to Derby, but he preferred Leipzig instead? "Stubbornness"? Maybe he just wanted to put those persistent 'homesick' rumours to rest?

He already has experience of playing in the Championship, so what real benefit is there to be derived from repeating that experience? Leipzig are having a decent season in the Bundesliga under a good manager in Hasenhutti. The stuff about Lookman probably struggling because he doesn't speak the language, that some other lad didn't like it when he made the same move to the Bundesliga outfit before him (a move that the manager of his next club said had provided him with "the experience of going away from the comfort of his own area to a foreign country and experiencing life. He’s gained the experience of playing for a top club in the Bundesliga with top coaches. That will have broadened his horizons and been good for his development") and that his single mindedness may come back to bite him, seem a bit churlish on Allardyce's part. He's off to Germany, not LV426.

Hopefully, the little man can at least stretch to GCSE standard and have a word with Timo Werner about coming back with him.

Andy Meighan
21 Posted 01/02/2018 at 05:23:49
How is Allardyce full of shit? He obviously didn't want him to go but the lad, being stubborn, forced the move through.

Oh and by the way, he's just okay – nothing more. He wasn't missed last night... was he???

Victor Yu
22 Posted 01/02/2018 at 05:34:57
Sam likes hoofball so Lookman doesn't fit his plan. He has no plan to develop young players either since he knows he is not here for long.
Jim Harrison
23 Posted 01/02/2018 at 05:36:43
Could be very good for him, and I think a good idea to try Germany rather than the Championship.

A great talent, but he isn't ready for a starting place week-in & week-out. He should have been used more often though, to give him experience and to help him realise he has a place at Everton.

Davie Turner
24 Posted 01/02/2018 at 05:56:21
Good move for the lad, hope he comes back mind, got a bad feeling he won't mind if he does well.
James Hill
25 Posted 01/02/2018 at 06:20:06
So ToffeeWebers know better. A 19 year old kid. Is he that's good yet. I wouldn't play him in the 1st team to small, bad decision making and in consistent. Sam could buy half of the Barcelona team and he would be wrong to most on this site. You just have to laugh.
Mike Gaynes
26 Posted 01/02/2018 at 06:38:33
John Daley, agreed. Having watched Leipzig play, I think it's a good spot for Lookman... and if he can earn some playing time from that particular manager, it will be huge for his game.
Ernie Baywood
27 Posted 01/02/2018 at 07:19:36
With the exception of young players heading to lower leagues, how often do you see a loanee come back and play?

Suspect that's Lookman done with Everton before he got going. Which will be a huge shame. It was our job to develop a talented young player and we've failed. Again.

Sam Hoare
28 Posted 01/02/2018 at 07:21:29
I agree with John and Mike. I think potentially this could be a great move for Lookman if he can get into the Leipzig first team.

Clearly Sam had little intention of playing him regularly here but if he gets lots of minutes in Germany then he will come back having learnt something new and richer for it. As others have pointed out he has already experienced the Championship and league one so why not enrich his development with experience in one of the most technically proficient leagues in the world.

Best of luck to him, hope he comes back this Summer having improved as a player to a new manager keener to utilise his obvious talent.

Liam Reilly
29 Posted 01/02/2018 at 07:29:29
Incredible decision.

What SA should've said is that he won't be loaned out because an integral part of the team and will get fame time. Awful man management.

He's not a manager who looks towards youth; that's for sure.

Jay Woods

30 Posted 01/02/2018 at 07:35:49
It's just an oddball move, nothing earth-shattering. Most Germans speak English to a high standard so he won't have to learn the language if he's only staying for a few months.
Jerome Shields
31 Posted 01/02/2018 at 07:52:19
Allardyce stupid enough to use the media to try and manage the player during the week and when making excuses for the move. Another megaphone Koeman-type Barkley moment.

Lookman will be looking for a move to a Premier League club this Summer or he may be happy to build in Germany. There will be plenty of interes.

Good decision by young Lookman. He will be playing for a footballing side and getting first-team football. Really badly managed by Allardyce – or rather he is incapable of managing a young player in the Premier League. Hence the keenness of young players to be loaned out.

Lookman's attitude to Allardyce is not surprising. Has already told his agent to get cracking.

Rob Dolby
32 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:05:50
I back Big Sam on this one. The idea of a loan is to get game time and come back to the club a better player. He could have dug his heels in and said no but that would be counter productive with the player. I wouldn't be surprised if his agent has pushed this through knowing that if he does well there is a chance of a big money move. I don't see it being for football reasons.

I really do hope that he plays a lot for them as their style would be good to copy and bring back to us but in reality Lookman will be a bench warmer for the rest of the season over in Germany. He can't get in our team but expects to get in a team who are better than us.

What a strange old season.

Steven Jones
33 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:06:20
Some ridiculous comments . Hoof ball etc . get a grip guys . Sam tells it straight . much better than Martinez and Koeman . bullshit type comments are embarrassing thick knee-jerk bile - If you would not say to a persons face - do not say it on here.

I hope Sam is here for many a year - and brings us great success -
Great win! Lets look upwards and catch Burnley and the Foxes ! COYB's!

Derek Knox
34 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:37:58
I can echo those who wish Ademola all the best, and hope he comes back a more confident player. The experience will be good for him, and I think his opportunities would have been limited, between now and the end of the season had he stayed.
Brent Stephens
35 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:53:36
Relaxed about this.
Mark Dunford
36 Posted 01/02/2018 at 09:25:41
Too few young English players (or people) are prepared to try a spell abroad. This is a brave decision by the player and I wish him all the best. Look at the flip side, there are many young players from abroad in Everton's (and other premier teams) youth set up and others come into the first team fold - Sandro was just a little older than Lookman when he made the move. A loan abroad seems an excellent idea if he can't get into the first team. It may well have been a better option for Sandro. BS's comments are just typically mean minded.
James Ebden
37 Posted 01/02/2018 at 09:27:50
Lookman needs some game time to develop, because he has looked far too lightweight to be a first choice in the premier league. He is outmuscled and dispossessed far too easily, and he needs to improve his decision making.

Game time will hopefully improve his decisions and game management (he may even learn to tackle!), but no amount of loans will make him bigger or stronger. I'm not sure he will ever cut it at a top half premier team.

I also don't think the club should cave to a players demands. If we had other offers we thought were better for his development then we should have told him where to go, or sit on the bench. He's contracted to us, we make the decisions.

Tony Everan
38 Posted 01/02/2018 at 09:44:26
I just hope the misgivings are not connected to the actual game time that has been promised by Leipzig.

If he is not going to start matches for them, week-in & week-out, what is the point?

James Marshall
39 Posted 01/02/2018 at 09:45:17




Can anyone else see a pattern emerging among the views of supporters?

You lot do make me laugh :-)

Michael Coffey
40 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:03:22
My company gave me a loan move to Germany once. I had a great time. There is more to life than your job, you know.
Stan Schofield
41 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:04:01
On the face of it, this is a sensible move for Lookman. He's not getting game time here, and even if he did, it could be a struggle given Allardyce's approach to the game. At least now he should develop during the rest of the season, with a team that actually plays good football.

Regarding Allardyce's comments, I regard it as unprofessional of him to refer to Lookman as stubborn. If he's going to say anything, he should try and stick to the facts, and not wander into opinion, especially opinion of a pejorative nature.

It's now difficult to see Lookman playing for us again until Allardyce goes.

Eddie Dunn
42 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:06:06
Forget trying to use this to bash the manager. The young fellow has some good skills and a nice shot on him but has proved to be too easy to push off the ball and unreliable cover for his fullback.

This season Sam's main job is still firstly to ensure Premier League status, then if we reach safety, to push us as high up the table as possible. It is conceivable that we could overhaul Leicester and Burnley to claim 7th like last season. If this happens it will be an incredible achievement considering how things have gone.

I think it is better for Lookman to go on loan rather than have time in the Under-23s or just training at Finch Farm. If he wants to succeed, he could just take a look at Walcott's performance last night as he tore across the park to put in tackles, linked-up with others to create chances and put his goals away with aplomb.

Dan Nulty
44 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:17:53
You know, I think a lot of ToffeeWebbers have short memories. Hearing Sam being honest is quite refreshing compared with Martinez phenomenal quotes and sometimes bizarre comments about how well we had played when we had been battered.

I do think he needs to tone down his honesty a little though.

Personally I think it is a great move for Lookman, we should send more of our young players abroad. Hopefully his decision making can improve. Yes he has his exciting moments but his passing is often wayward. Perhaps under a different coach then that can get better

John Clowes
45 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:29:44
I was shocked about this deal, certainly out of the blue. But thinking about it, I think it could only benefit us in the long term, as long as he is given minutes over there.

Lookman doesn't normally suit teams which Allardyce sets up. I think it's a case of: get the season over with, retain our place in the Premier League, and have an overhaul in the summer.

The club really doesn't have an identity but, barring a few places which need to be sorted in the team (left back!), I have quietly been impressed with our January signings and certainly believe we look in better shape.

Steve Brown
46 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:34:28
James 40, it's all your fault.
Roy Noon
47 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:41:17
Bit strange I suppose. Big S says Lookman not to be loaned and then he is made available to loan?

With regard to Lookman, in my opinion the lad has potential, quick feet and can go past a man, but he does lack maturity, gives the ball away, doesn't track back. Perhaps, in his defence, he may be of the view that he is more suited to the continental game, rather than the rigid formations and tactics of the English game.

Maybe he sees his long term future abroad rather than here? I guess Sams options for Lookman where all English Championship sides?

So, I really don't blame the lad. The only caveat, is how many games will he get for Leipzig? Maybe he will come back in the Summer as a wiser and more responsible young man.

Steve Ferns
48 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:12:13
I'm just glad it's a loan and not a transfer. Hopefully the new manager can convince him to commit to Everton for next season and get the best out of him.

5 players in the squad for the game asked for loans out. Who do we think they are, and can you blame them. No doubt they actually want to play football and not be managed by a habitual loser (never won more than he's lost in Premier League with any of the clubs he's managed) with no record of developing players and the worst tactics I've ever seen by the blues.

Steve Ferns
49 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:13:45
Oh and anyone who thinks Allardyce might stay past the summer, have you spoke to any of the staff at the club about renewing your season ticket? The response is underwhelming, and that talks to Moshiri and he will act. He's a businessman after all.
Tony Hill
50 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:14:32
I despair.
Terry Underwood
51 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:18:00
I will be really pissed if Lookman is allowed to move on. A loan is okay by me, to give the kid some decent game time, but we gotta keep him.
Eddie Dunn
52 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:21:04
Steve, come on! "Worst tactics seen by the blues". I have seen us away under Moyes where we parked the bus, went behind, continued to park the same bus for the best part of 75 mins and then make a change. Seen this on many occasions.

Last night, Sam picked Keane and Jags and Keane had Vardy in his pocket all night. He played Niasse, who despite failing to score, caused panic in their defence throughout.

We saw the return of Coleman, who many would have expected to at least only sit on the bench, but Sam put him straight in. These things all worked.

We beat a team that had been on a good run and should have put the game to bed before the weather went nuts and we slid about in the last 10 minutes.

Allardyce is not perfect but I wonder if Moyes, Martinez or Koeman would have done any better?

James Ebden
53 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:29:47
The way some on here go on, you'd think Lookman is the next Ballon d'Or Winner who will move us into Champions contention. wake up and watch his contributions. One run or pass in 90 minutes, combined with 20+ failed possessions doesn't make us a winning force. He's like a smaller, lighter Barkley! (who incidentally was subbed off quick last night for being ineffectual!)
Steve Ferns
54 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:29:59
Nothing Moyes did was ever as bad as what Allardyce has served up. Moyes had us consistently in the top 8. Mostly in the top 6. On a budget. Yet we still had decent players, and we had at least some decent football. Occasionally it was bad, but that was the exception rather than the rule.

This is the worst I have ever known it.

James Ebden
55 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:33:41
Worse than Walter Smith really!?!!

This is the same Sam who had the best start of any manager. has taken us from the bottom 3 where the previous 2 managers had us, and has a good chance of salvaging 7th from this shambles of a season.

I guess you would rather have us playing tippy tappy expansive football and finishing 14th. some fans on here are a joke.

Ian Edwards
56 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:37:42
Steve Ferns 55

Allardyce has only been here 5 minutes and has lifted us from 4th bottom to 9th.

The football for 11 years under Moyes was far worse. It was dull, boring and cowardly. Continual capitulation at big club away games. Knife to a gunfight.

Moyes indoctrinated the club with mediocre, negativity which still persist to this day.

Moyes will go down in history as the man that that settled for a 2-1 defeat in a cup final.

Steve Ferns
57 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:39:20
This is the same manager who has never ever won more games than he's lost at ANY of the SIX clubs he's managed in the Premier League.

Walter Smith had a dreadful side, and played dour tactics, and it was soul destroying. But at least he was a manager who won trophies and knew how to win games, don't forget we managed to beat sides 7-1, 6-0, 6-2, 4-0 and it was only after we had to put the side up for sale that the dour stuff followed.

This is not a time when we're under threat of administration. We're meant to be loaded. And yet we're playing the worst type of football.

And yes, I'd rather play the tippy tappy expansive stuff, but no, I'd rather win games and batter top sides and finish 5th with 72 points. Something Allardyce will never ever do, or never come close to doing, because he is incapable of it.

Joseph Mullarkey
58 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:40:57
Kudos to the lad. Why should he martyr himself on Big Sam's side-lines?

If I were a young man with Lookman's talent I think that I would have made the same decision. Not getting a start paired with the shambolic state of the squad is enough reason to justify the loan move.

I have no doubt that he see's himself as someone with a lot to offer and feels that meekly sitting out the rest of the season with us is not the best way to further his career. I hope he kicks some ass.

Steve Ferns
59 Posted 01/02/2018 at 12:41:38
Ian we were 13th. We've gone up 4 places. With a £250m, is that really what we want from a £6m a year manager?
Jamie Evans
60 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:02:05
He simply couldn't be more wrong for our once great club.

Allardyce, not Lookman.

Oh well, 3 more wins and we are safe.

Altogether now

"We found love in a hopeless place."

Sam Hoare
61 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:03:47
Ian Edwards

“The football for 11 years under Moyes was far worse. It was dull, boring and cowardly.”

Really? Didn’t we just break our record for consecutive games without a shot on target?!

Under Moyes we certainly played it safe but then he had far less money to spend than Koeman and Allardyce etc. Yet I still remember us playing some lovely football at times with the likes of Arteta, Gravesen, Bainaar and Ossie all capable of passing the ball better than most our current team. We always lacked a true goalscorer to finish off the moves but I certainly don’t think the football was worse than what we’ve had over the last month before last night.

It’s been properly grim. But last night was better. And hopefully the sign of better things (especially as I’m going to the Emirates this weekend!)

Michael Lynch
62 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:07:24
How can anyone have watched last night's game and still say "this is the worst I have known it"?

Steve Ferns
63 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:11:39
Last night was better Sam, but there was still things wrong. We got away with it in the end.

First of all Rooney was either injured or out of gas, everyone around me could see it, and we'd lost a grip in midfield. We were asking for changes, and then Rooney makes a tired tug in the penalty area. Would they have still got a goal back if we'd taken Rooney off a bit earlier, when he was showing the signs of dropping off? I'd have moved Siggy inside and put Bolasie on down the left to give us some pace on the left and try to hit Leicester on the counter.

After they got the goal back, we were hanging on and they should have scored when they hit the bar and post. We had been by far the better team up to that point (despite them hitting the post early on), but we were really on the ropes after the goal and the manager did nothing to address it until very late.

Brian Harrison
64 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:12:43
I am not sure how or why Lookman chose Leipzig but I guess he and his agent decided that was the best place for him to go. I have said before that I think the boy is talented, and I am sure if he gets game time and impresses then he will be off in the summer. The only way that wont happen is if we change the manager or he doesn't get game time at Leipzig.

I cant believe anything Allardyce says a week or so ago he said Rooney and Sigurdsson cant play together yet starts them last night. A few days ago he said Lookman wouldnt be allowed to go out on loan, yesterday Lookman goes to Leipzig. He told us last night that he had sorted a loan move for Lookman to another club not Leipzig.

Tony Hill
65 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:25:24
Michael (#63), it's hopeless, mate. Minds are made up, reality doesn't matter.
Steve Ferns
66 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:45:33
Reality is that we were the post and the bar away from a draw and extending our run to 8 games without a win. Had Iheanacho scored this site would have been full of people with their knives out for Allardyce, but because we somehow managed to hang on, we're all meant to do a be very happy about being 9th?

Sure, up until the goal it was a much improved performance. There's more positives to take away than negatives. But that's despite the manager, not because of him. From having a very young side, we've now got a side where only Tom Davies was eligible for the u23s and most were pushing 30.

Allardyce has got shut of Lookman, made comments that are likely to make him unwilling to come back (why should Allardyce choose where Lookman goes to play?), and yet again has failed to address the left back problem and the window is now shut.

Maybe you're happy with how things are going, good for you. But Allardyce is doing everything the opposite of how I want things to be done. Focusing on short term gain, rather than long term development. We have a golden generation of youngsters who managed properly could take us into the Champions League, but instead they are now being frozen out.

Clive Mitchell
67 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:46:41
Steve, 55 etc - when you write "we were really on the ropes...and the manager did nothing to address it" do you attribute the fact that we were 2-0 up to luck or to the manager? I suspect very few of us find it easy to stomach Sam at the club, but there's no point in blaming him for the fact that it's raining.
Steve Brown
68 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:48:04
It shows Lookman's ambition that he preferred a top five Bundesliga over the Championship. He will add to the technical aspects of his game – and he might even learn some German.

It is telling that players like Sandro, Klaassen and Lookman are coveted by top team in Europe who would beat us regularly. Our backwardness and insularity is there for all to see.

Steve Ferns
69 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:54:42
Clive, Rooney had an injury or he was out of gas. Davies was also fading. This was a good 10 minutes before they scored. We needed fresh legs in the middle. Everyone was screaming for him to make a change. He did nothing.

Rooney's pull was the pull of a tired man. Maybe Leicester would have got back in the game, maybe not. But the manager should have seen what was unfolding and should have acted. They scored in the 77th minute.

Changes to midfield should always be made between 60-70 minutes, particularly when we have another big game on Saturday. We're light in midfield with James McCarthy's injury and Besic supposedly (?) leaving. Why wouldn't you make changes purely for freshness?

But it was particularly evident that Rooney was blowing hard, and then he limped off. Davies also had stopped running. A change should have been made.

Fran Mitchell
70 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:03:59

But can only hope he plays a blinder, improves his game and comes back and makes himself a first team player for Everton next season.

Maybe he can bring Tuchel with him on his way back.

John Charles
71 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:12:55
Steve Ferns – you are spot. It was obvious to all in the ground that we were running on empty and needed fresh legs. The substitution of Sigurdsson was also weird as Davies was completely gone.

Whilst giving fresh legs all the substitutions did was take away any attacking threat we had and reduced us to just holding on.

That said, hold on we did, so some kudos to Fat Sam!

Sam Hoare
73 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:13:51
Steve, I wasn't there but from the extended highlights it seemed more than a marginal improvement last night.

We actually created chances and could well have scored 4 or 5 if Niasse had his shooting boots on. Of course the post saved us but then their pen was soft and from what I saw we were creating more chances, we had 4 shots on goal to their one.

Am not saying it was perfect and yes they might well have snatched a draw but it was a big step up from most of our Jan performances surely?

Also, it seemed like Martina actually played quite well? His pressure and tackle high up the pitch that gave us the first goal. Worth praising out given the stick he gets.

Steve Ferns
74 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:22:20
It was much more than a marginal improvement Sam. But that was down to Coleman and Walcott. Martina had his best game. He made a clearance off the line, his passing was much improved. He was not the weak link last night.

But that doesn't change the fact that he is still not a left back and can't get round the outside and put in a cross, so out attacking is unbalanced and predictable. The difference was, that as predictable as it was, the speed of Coleman and Walcott meant it was just so hard for the opposition to cut it out.

Eddie Dunn
75 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:36:33
Steve- I wasn't at the ground. just watching on an excellent stream and so didn't hear the voices calling for subs etc, but I agree that Rooney was shot.

I thought Schneiderlin was the right replacement and he did okay when he came on, but Calvert-Lewin was an attacking sub, was he not? The final introduction of Williams was sensible too, considering the high balls being launched through the rain into our box.

Also Steve, Iheanacho hit the woodwork twice but the woodwork is not the goal... Coleman put a shot wide, Walcott had a good shot saved, and Niasse could have had a brace.

We deserved the win.

This team can play good football, so let's just see if it continues at the Emirates on Saturday.

Kristian Boyce
76 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:37:15
Allardyce's comments just show that he is an absolute dinosaur of the game. For years the England teams failure has been blamed on a number a number of factors, but one was about the lack of football culture our players had, specifically young players. Many young players have been criticized for not broadening their horizons and being happy at sitting on the bench collecting huge paychecks, instead of actually getting game time.

They'll be 3 great young English players in Germany's top league this season (Sancho, Lookman and Oxford) as well as the 16 year old just signed by Barcelona from Arsenal. For years people have said English players should go abroad to get experience, and when one does, he gets criticized by his manager. The biggest joke is that the person criticizing is the former (very briefly) England manager, who would have seen the lack of skillful players available to him.

I wish Lookman well, and hope he grows as a player during his spell abroad. He'll get a great education of the European game, but better being stuck in the U23's playing in front of a couple hundred people.

Peter Gorman
77 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:54:27
Germany is a lovely country with a high standard of living - I'm somewhat jealous of the lad.

Doesn't quite chime with the homesick rumours, perhaps he was only sick of not playing.

Should be a great experience personally but not overly sure how it prepares him for Everton - with the exception of real superstars, I can think of a few young Germans coming from the Bundesliga and failing to adapt. There is also the added fun of RB Leipzig being pretty much the most hated club in Germany.

I'll definitely try to folllow if he gets game time, should be interesting.

James Ebden
78 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:56:14
So the manager doesn't do the things Steve Ferns wants, ah, fair enough, sack him then!!

Here's an idea, Steve, send your CV in to the club so you can be interviewed as his replacement. Then we can all criticise the crap out of you when the team loses a match. Oh, wait, you don't have a hope in hell of getting shortlisted because you have no actual club management experience!

And as for our golden generation of youth that will get us Champions League football?! I'm off to get some clean underwear as I've just pissed myself in these ones.

A few decent prospects, but that's all they are. Truly top players are well established in their 1st teams by the time they are 21. Owen, Alli, Rooney etc.

Your anti-Allardyce agenda and constant youth spouting is getting boring. But that's fine, because our club should operate as only you see fit!

Jay Harris
79 Posted 01/02/2018 at 15:56:01
There is no doubt Lookman has ability but for those criticising him not being picked for the first team you only have to look at Walcott last night.

That is the standard for the Premiership and it is a major step for any young player to jump straight in.

For those with short memories we sent Seamus out on loan for a long while.

If you are good enough then force your way into the team.

No manager is going to refuse to play players who can improve the side but Lookman has too many weaknesses right now to be starting in the Premiership.

I really wish the Sam Haters would give it a rest at least until the end of the season. It becomes tedious coming on here and finding people using any excuse to beat the manager up with.

FFS the man was the only one willing to take on the job so lets just see where it takes us but its certainly not down which is what it was looking like before his appointment.

Bill Watson
80 Posted 01/02/2018 at 16:39:02
Andy (#22),

Spot on Andy. Lookman is far from being the finished article and has failed to impress when given a start. He went against the club's and Allardyce's advice.

I understand that to mean Allardyce didn't want him to go.

Some ToffeeWeb posters are so far up their anti-Allardyce arse they interpret everything to suit that agenda

Rob Dolby
81 Posted 01/02/2018 at 16:40:35
Big Sam is getting slaughtered for winning at home in one of the best team performances of the year.

He isn't my cup of tea but FFS this is getting stupid.

The loan for Lookman will only prove to be a success if he is given game time; otherwise, he may as well have joined Derby.

James Ebden
82 Posted 01/02/2018 at 16:43:46
Spot on, Jay.

the way some carry on, you think our current predicament and unbalanced squad is entirely down to 5 years of mismanagement by BFS! He inherited this squad in a shocking state, and bang on the relegation zone. He is playing the best way our players can, to get as high as we can.

I'm sure Sam would like a £300m back four like city, and the same again in midfield to spray the ball around. Reality however, says our players aren't in that same league ability-wise, so we can't play the same quality of football. Anyone honestly think Pep would have our team playing slick tippy tappy after a few months? Eh?

We also can't go out and buy it because FFP stops us throwing money in.

This is our reality. Shame most of our fans are too deluded to realise.

Eddie Dunn
83 Posted 01/02/2018 at 18:11:09
James. Yes, the reality is that when our midfield get hold of the ball, I find myself just hoping that each pass gets to one of our own players. When I watch Man City, I marvel at the wonderful technique, the movement and the whole organism that they become.

We found a way to win against a good side and we negated their dangerous players until Ieanacho came on. We also realised that Seamus and Walcott were our best option for opening them up, and the whole team worked to make those openings.

Sigurdsson once again showed his good football brain with his assist, and Rooney had a period where he sprayed the ball around like Pirlo for a 20 glorious minutes.

I am sure that performances like these will help build confidence in the side. It just goes to show that the inclusion of two experienced and talented players (Walcott & Coleman) can bring a team up a level.

Let's hope that Mangala also gives us a lift. He might not have quite fitted Pep's blueprint for ball-playing defenders, but he is a specimen of a man and will add some physicality to our backline.

Si Cooper
84 Posted 01/02/2018 at 18:27:30
Bill Watson, Allardyce wanted him to go out on loan, that's why the lad was given a number of loan options. It is just that the manager's preference was that he go to Derby and so he is annoyed that the lad picked Leipzig instead.

I think the lad has chosen well, considering he was playing Championship football last season. If he struggles in the Bundesliga, it will tell him something new about his real progress in the past year and he will need to be able to deal with that sort of thing if he is to have a long term future in the game. Maybe Sam is worried he will be exposed to some really progressive coaching and actually flourish.

Gordon Crawford
85 Posted 01/02/2018 at 19:18:18
James (#40), I can see the pattern, it's the same useless board who appointed them all. :)
James Marshall
86 Posted 01/02/2018 at 20:25:53
Not enough British players play abroad – it'll do him the world of good.
Dick Fearon
87 Posted 01/02/2018 at 21:39:14
The lad has flattered to deceive and believes he should get more recognition than he is getting. The fault lies partly with those among us who helped create this big-headed wannabee superstar. He would be lucky to find a place in the thirds of those teams above us.

As for him 'forcing' through this Leipzig loan. My main concern is what kind of club would allow a kid who should be thanking his lucky stars to 'force' anything. Not a good example to any other disgruntled youngsters.

Justin Doone
88 Posted 01/02/2018 at 21:53:45
I think it will be a great experience for the lad. But as a professional footballer, a young still immature lad earning millions going out on loan to a foreign club will have many distractions and obstacles to overcome.

I don't think he will get too much game time but I hope he learns and develops with good 'football' coaching. It could make or break his Everton career and I understand Sam's concerns.

Dito for Sandro coming to us. I like the lad but I'm not sure we have any other Spanish-speaking players or coaches and he probably felt a bit lonely, especially when not playing or part of a successful team. His loan back to Spain will do him good but we may have seen the last of him in an Everton kit.

Andy Crooks
89 Posted 01/02/2018 at 21:59:41
Dick @ 88, what evidence do you have that Lookman is a " bigheaded wannabe superstar"?
Dick Fearon
90 Posted 01/02/2018 at 22:41:30
Andy, We have had other examples of young players growing too big for their boots. I do not recall one of them that did improve their reputation.

We have a number of youngsters in the learning phase of their careers that do not let the media know they are angry at not being selected for the team. Holgate, Davies and Kenny are examples.

Those young 'uns plus older players such as Jags, Martina, Keane and Davies etc are not reported to leave the building as Lookman reportedly did in a temper because he was not even on the 'fucking' bench.

To go back further I cannot recall another player young or old who made his anger at not being selected so public.

Of course I stand to be corrected and if so I apologise. Over to you, Andy.


Peter Gorman
91 Posted 01/02/2018 at 23:08:18
Where did you hear that Dick? I'm a bit surprised as Lookman comes across as painfully introvert. In fact, all his previous coaches at Charlton make a lot of him being almost uniquely grounded.

That said, didn't Lukaku take him 'under his wing' – you never know.

Don Alexander
92 Posted 01/02/2018 at 23:17:51
Whatever Lookman said or thinks of himself will truly only be known to a few and, I suspect, to no TW'ers. I hope everyone of our youngsters considers themselves to the dog's bollocks but the key for all of them is to prove it on the training ground to make their omission from the team impossible.

The same should go for the expensively acquired older ones too of course but from what we've seen in recent years that's not necessarily been the case, and that will exasperate many a young man.

Hopefully they all adopt the approach and attitude of our Seamus when he too was a youngster. It didn't do him any harm did it?

John Raftery
93 Posted 01/02/2018 at 23:33:18
Some fans seem to believe clubs, or managers, can control players. They can't. The majority of the power lies with players and their owners (sorry, agents). Clubs can resist for a time but ultimately the players, led by their agents, decide where they will play, which contract they will sign and the timing of their next move. We experienced that with Barkley. Once a player like Lookman decides he wants a particular loan move the club finds itself swimming against the tide if it tries block it.

As regards Lookman himself, he has yet to make a convincing case for regular inclusion in our team. After his brief, brilliant cameo against City twelve months ago he was given a few appearances by Koeman but flattered to deceive. This season he was very poor at Split and Leicester and while he did well in Cyprus and at Anfield there has not been sufficient overall to suggest he can yet be relied upon. In some ways he reminds me of Deulofeu. He has much to do to reach the standard required in the top half of the Premier League. Hopefully the penny will drop sooner rather than later and our club will be the beneficiaries.

Frank Crewe
94 Posted 01/02/2018 at 23:37:32
"Some fans seem to believe clubs, or managers, can control players. They can't. The majority of the power lies with players and their owners (sorry, agents)."

If this was true, Mahrez would be playing for Man City now.

Kevin Moorcroft
95 Posted 02/02/2018 at 00:07:17
Best move for Lookman and for Everton. He hasn't done enough and let's be fair if he was making headlines he would still be here.

Needs experience and time and hopefully will return a better player. How the hell can some on here blame Sam?
Tahir Abdullah
96 Posted 02/02/2018 at 04:55:07
Kudos to Ademola for being "stubborn"; calling the club and Sam's bluff... he's no coward, is Ademola. His relatively short stay at the club has no doubt confirmed to him the joke status of the club's management.

He's out of contract in the summer and by the looks of it, won't be back. Best of luck to the lad and may he end up being the next Mustafi...

Eric Myles
97 Posted 02/02/2018 at 05:05:36
Nik (#18), exactly!!

Nothing to see here... let's move on.

Eddie Dunn
98 Posted 02/02/2018 at 08:50:57
Tahir, as for Mustafi, I am looking forward to Walcott on Saturday, exposing him as the one-paced donkey that he is.
Steve Ferns
99 Posted 02/02/2018 at 08:55:22
Tahir, Lookman has another 3 and a bit years on his contract.
Robin Cannon
100 Posted 02/02/2018 at 09:40:50
Honestly, this sounds like it's being massively over complicated.

Pretty sure it's simply a case that Sam didn't think that Lookman would see enough playing time at Leipzig to benefit as much from a loan as he would if he had gone to Derby. Lookman apparently believed the broader benefits of joining a club in the Champions League and near the top of the Bundesliga was attractive and worth the risk.

Neither is inherently wrong, neither proves one person is right or another a dinosaur.

Steve Brown
101 Posted 02/02/2018 at 10:45:43
"It's a difficult challenge for anyone, especially at such a young age. From a footballing point of view he's got a lot of talent but from a cultural point of view it could be very difficult."

It is only insights like this that highlight how backward Allardyce (and de facto Everton) really are. Mike Bassett, Brexit Manager, springs to mind but it isn't funny. Channelling players who could develop at Sevilla, Napoli and Leipzig to Championship clubs instead is ludicrous.

John Raftery
102 Posted 02/02/2018 at 11:04:44
Frank – Good point but he is one of the handful of exceptions to the rule. It will be interesting to see if Leicester benefit from his staying.
John G Davies
103 Posted 02/02/2018 at 11:15:56
Good luck to him. He has got the bottle to go to a different country at a young age.

Leipzig are playing Napoli in the Europa League so that will be an experience for him.

I think this kid will be a top player in a year or two.

Oh, you can forget the language barrier, you very rarely meet a German that doesn't speak English

Jay Wood

105 Posted 02/02/2018 at 11:20:07
Dick Fearon @ 88 and 91.

Where on earth did you source any information to 'inform' your totally speculative character assassination of Lookman?

* "The fault lies partly with those among us who helped create this big-headed wannabee superstar..."
* "Not a good example to any other disgruntled youngsters..."
* "Lookman reportedly [left the building] in a temper because he was not even on the 'fucking' bench..."
* "I cannot recall another player young or old who made his anger at not being selected so public..."

And to top it all, you challenge Andy Crooks who questions your evaluation of Lookman to basically disprove the lie you have woven.


I rather fancy the burden of proof to back up your claims lies with you, Dick, not others.

David Graves
106 Posted 02/02/2018 at 11:25:58
Steve, how is encouraging Lookman to take a loan move to Derby "backwards"?

Derby are currently second in the Championship, playing good football under a well respected English manager. But you think he would be better developed for the rigors of the Premier League by spending time at Leipzig? I disagree.

I would suggest that the standard of football at a mid table Bundesliga club is probably on a par with the top of the Championship. How would being involved in the fight for promotion to the Premier League not be a positive development for a young player?

James Ebden
107 Posted 02/02/2018 at 12:01:15
Jay (#106),

It was widely reported on here and Grand Old Team at the time, that Lookman was seen storming out of the car park before a game because he wasn't in the matchday squad. A few fans who saw him and spoke to him on his way out posted his comments.

So the view that he thinks he is bigger and better than he actually is come mainly from his own behaviour. Any other player who isn't selected would stick around and support his team mates.

Maybe this childish attitude and sense of entitlement, as opposed to knuckling down and working hard, is why he hasn't had much playing time under the recent managemen? He refuses to see his own weaknesses and work on them.

It would be interesting to see how much game time he gets in Germany after the first few weeks, once he has been assessed properly...

Gordon Crawford
108 Posted 02/02/2018 at 12:04:40
I have a feeling this kid will do well and he won't be back at Everton. Personally speaking, I think he hasn't been treated well. I wish him the best.

As for Klaassen, the word in the papers is that Sam told him “You won't be playing again for Everton this season.” Emphasis added.

If this is true, then that's disgusting and I wouldn't blame the lad if he never wanted to play for Everton again.

James Ebden
109 Posted 02/02/2018 at 12:18:12
That's probably his agent stirring it up, Gordon.

What Sam probably said was "Your game time will be quite limited as there are others ahead of you at present. So, if you want to go on loan somewhere for game time until the end of the season, I will support that."

And since when did not playing fringe squad players who aren't up to being a first team regular constitute not treating them well? All professional footballers know teams need a squad of 25 or more players, and therefore the only way to guarantee first team action is to play better than the others and force themselves in. Lookman doesn't look like he is prepared to do that. And he certainly hasn't grabbed the chance each time he has played.

Brian Williams
110 Posted 02/02/2018 at 12:18:17
I feel (and I stress the word "feel" rather than I know or I'm sure) that one aspect of all this has been overlooked and that's that the club (Sam Allardyce) has "allowed" Ademola to go to Liepzig.

Now depending on how you look at it, is it refreshing that although the manager has been against the lad going to Liepzig, he's "allowed" it to happen?

Or is it that there would have been nothing Allardyce could have done to stop him?

Was he informed of all his options and he simply got to make the choice? If that's the case, then the club appear to be quite "laid back" in their handling of players going on loan, good thing or bad?

Is it good or bad that the lad got his wish against the managers wishes? Again, all depends what angle you look at it from.

May I say, in advance of the reasoned and also the outrageous attacks that will follow: I'm still happy from Wednesday so errr ... "Fuck you, and the horse you rode in on!" ;-)

Alex Mullan
111 Posted 02/02/2018 at 12:18:37
Shambles that we allow a kid to dictate where he goes when we pay him. Even bigger shambles that we come out publicly and admit that.

The official line should have been more like 'Lookman has gone to Leipzig on loan for first team experience.' End there. Instead we look amateur and he looks like a prick.

James Ebden
112 Posted 02/02/2018 at 12:35:24
I think Allardyce's comments on the Klaassen loan collapse are also pointing a finger at Lookman.

He said Klaassen wont be frozen out of the squad after the loan fell through because he is a model professional and doesn't complain when he isn't picked... unlike other players.

Paul Ward
113 Posted 02/02/2018 at 12:52:57
Apart from the obvious hatred of Sam Allardyce and the slightest excuse to blame him for anything that goes wrong, maybe we should be looking at the below-average players in this club.

In Lookman's case, he is an inexperienced young lightweight player with potential, but under no stretch of the imagination is he ready for a regular place in a Premier League team.

Tony J Williams
114 Posted 02/02/2018 at 13:04:22
It will do him the world of good, if he can force himself into the team.

Not arsed about the back story or where Sam wanted him to go, he needs game time to develop.

As said above, I hope all our young players are big heads and think they are the dog's bollocks; otherwise, why be a professional footballer if you don't believe in your own talent?

Of course there is the Lukaku - Mirallas effect in going way past what your skills actually are..

Brian Williams
115 Posted 02/02/2018 at 13:06:51
Alex (#112),

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, employee exercises right to choose whichever option he feels suits him best from those on offer?

Chris Gould
116 Posted 02/02/2018 at 13:33:13
He's going there to be backup. They aren't interested in developing him. They have no interest in helping him or us. They took him on loan to use if they get injuries.

The loan is ridiculous and it's no wonder that Allardyce wasn't happy with it. The whole point of a loan is to get the kid regular playing time. How will he develop when he won't play?

I don't like this at all. The kid should have accepted that he needed to play at a lower level for a short while. He barely played any games for Charlton and came into the game late. He's incredibly raw and needs bloody game time.

This loan is of no use to us and Lookman should have done as he was told.

John Pierce
117 Posted 02/02/2018 at 13:33:40
Whatever you think the story is, whether you love or loathe Allardyce, the manager of the football club shouldn't mouth off in the press or in pressers about players' situations.

Both Klaassen & Lookman had their futures broadcast by decree of Allardyce... then, hey ho, the opposite happens.

Koeman mouthed off about Barkley, yadda yadda.

All you are really doing is forcing the player out? Is that really what we want, washing our smalls in view of the world. The narrative is we are small time and players talk good or bad, they spread the word.

Everton bad public relations FC.

Chris Corn
118 Posted 02/02/2018 at 13:49:58
I agree with you John @118, but there are plenty who whine and moan if they are not given minute by minute updates on issues at the club, especially transfer business.
Eddie Dunn
119 Posted 02/02/2018 at 13:55:10
John, personally I am glad Allardyce told us his side of it. At least we get some information on what went on, as opposed to the usual conjecture that manifests itself on here.
David Graves
120 Posted 02/02/2018 at 14:10:30
Gordon – Do you really believe that Sam told him he wouldn't get a kick for the rest of the season?

An alternative story is that Klaassen and his agent couldn't sort out a loan to Napoli (currently top of Serie A!) because of a "sporting contract" suggested to be something to do with naming rights!

Hardly dealing with a young man desperate to play football then are we?

John G Davies
121 Posted 02/02/2018 at 14:16:21
David Graves (#107),

That "mid table Bundesliga club" are 5th in the Bundesliga. 2 points off 2nd position

Dick Fearon
122 Posted 02/02/2018 at 14:16:41
Tony J W @115, Do you really believe all young players aught to think they are the 'Dog's Bollocks' and entitled to have their demands met? What if a line of disgruntled DBs forms at Sams door each demanding a transfer or loan but only to a club of their own choice.
Lawrence Green
123 Posted 02/02/2018 at 14:24:30
It does seem strange to me that Sam is so 'honest' with the press regarding first team squad members. Surely, part of the respect / trust process is to keep as much as possible in house or within the confines of Finch Farm. On another note relating to Steve 'what does he do' Walsh an interesting titbit from the Echo.

Walsh's Buys?

With Islam Slimani’s loan to Newcastle at the end of January, all six of Leicester City’s signings from summer 2016 have now left the club - just 18 months on.

Luis Hernandez was sold to Malaga in January 2017, before three signings left last summer, Ron-Robert Zieler to Stuttgart on a permanent deal and Bartosz Kapustka and Papy Mendy on loan, to Freiburg and Nice respectively.

Then, this week, Ahmed Musa moved back to CSKA Moscow on loan before Slimani’s switch to St. James’ Park.

Steve Walsh joined Everton in the same summer, but surely he’d have played a part in landing some of these absolute flops.

Questions continue about Walsh's role and his abiity to fulfil it, I'm very sceptical about the whole Director of Football position and nothing which has happened at Goodison in the last 18 months has helped to alleviate my sceptism.

David Graves
124 Posted 02/02/2018 at 14:36:57
They are, John, my mistake. Only 4 points above mid-table though and 18 points points off the top.

How would you rather them described? Top third but nowhere near top of the third?

Amit Vithlani
125 Posted 02/02/2018 at 14:41:11
Walsh proposed Ishak Belfodil who was rejected by Koeman. £10.7m bullet dodged. 3 goals in 22 for Werder Bremen who scooped him up after Koeman passed.

John Pierce
126 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:15:54
Chris & Eddie, I can fall in line with both those points of view, completely valid.

But I might suggest the club and certainly the manager who can and has been contradicted by the stories at hand should be more circumspect.

My feeling is Sam needs to show he is in charge, and is being as blunt as Koeman before him was with Barkley. Players less than 25 years old will not respond to the Alpha dog peeing in front of them, marking his dominance. It just isn't how you deal with people. It's so outdated.

We risk alienating two investments when the manager's future is at best tenuous. There is no way this guy should be decided the future of Everton players, maybe if had a real director of football rather than a friendly uncle that Walsh looks like things like this might be better handled?

Tahir Abdullah
127 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:29:05
Steve @100; thanks for clarifying.
John G Davies
128 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:31:18
David 125,

A better team than us probably covers it.

Gerard McKean
129 Posted 02/02/2018 at 15:52:57
Young Lookman "forcing his way to Leipzig" was the best bit of news on TDD for Everton FC in the long term. RB Leipzig, like Monaco in France, do not lack financial clout but both clubs believe strongly in developing young talent. Yes, young players make mistakes, but some managers and fans seem to ignore the fact that older players do, too. Clubs like Leipzig and Monaco, and even Manchester United at the outset of the PL, are prepared to take some risks when they see a "golden generation" emerging.

Leipzig flourished under the guidance of one of Germany and the world's best (and older) coaches, Ralf Rangnick, and now Hasenhuettl his successor seems to be carrying on seamlessly. Ademola has therefore gone to a club who will see his strengths rather than his weaknesses, his lack of fear at taking players on rather than his lack of tactical awareness. The point being that you can't teach pace or intuition but you can work on becoming more responsible spatially.

Everton will be the beneficiaries of this deal if the lad comes back, which I fear may not happen under this manager. It makes me laugh with contempt to see the words Allardyce and honest in the same sentence, as a number of posts have managed to do. Honesty is one thing he's never been accused of before. An inability to manage young players through to consistent first team maturity is, however, a regular feature on his chargesheet; the sight of a visibly upset Mason Holgate leaving Goodison before the official team announcement was further testimony to this manager's people skills. Lookman, Holgate, Dowell, Davies, Walsh (oops not Walsh, they flogged him without even a run at the first team) are the future, not Allardyce and his cast of hangers-on.

Iain Johnston
130 Posted 02/02/2018 at 16:11:27
Shame Rangnick has said that Lookman has been brought in for cover only. Okay, there's a chance he'll get 7 or 8 games but is that worth all of the upheaval?

At least if he'd joined Derby, he'd be playing from Saturday right through until May in a similar way to Dowell and learning more about the English game – which is what we want him to play afterall.

Mark Wynne
131 Posted 02/02/2018 at 16:25:10
If that had been Koeman saying what Allardyce did today about Lookman, then people here would have been calling for his head over it.

Basically, if Sam is here beyond this season, then that's the young lad done at Everton. He may not be tearing up trees, but he has huge potential and Sam just burned him in front of journalists.

Jay Wood

132 Posted 02/02/2018 at 17:01:20
James @ 108.

You say "it was widely reported on here and Grand Old Team at the time, that Lookman was seen storming out of the car park before a game because he wasn't in the matchday squad. A few fans who saw him and spoke to him on his way out posted his comments."

I browse TW daily, don't bother with GOT, and your comment is absolutely the first I've heard of this claim, so not as 'widely reported' or commented on as you suggest.

To further make the claims that you do – that gossip on a couple of fans forums is rock solid evidence and proof positive that Lookman:

* "thinks he is bigger and better than he actually is"

* that he isn't one "to stick around and support his team mates..."

* shows his "childish attitude and sense of entitlement, as opposed to knuckling down and working hard..."

* that "he refuses to see his own weaknesses and work on them..."

Well... don't you think it's stretching the character assassination a tad, James, based on little or no evidence at all, in the same way Dick Fearon did before you?

Jay Woods

133 Posted 02/02/2018 at 18:07:12
Kicker in Germany is saying that Leipzig's winter transfer window has been anything but happy for the club and that Rangnick sees Lookman as a "scant consolation" and an "emergency loan", in the context of having lost the services (through injury) of Marcel Halstenberg and Emil Forsberg.

What makes this even weirder (from Lookman's perspective) is the article's dogmatic comment that – and I'm paraphrasing this – if he doesn't get to grips right away with Leipzig's collective team ethos, he may as well already be on the plane back to England.

The overall tone of the article is negative, but it would be remiss of me to make it appear that it's just about Lookman; it's more of a broader scoped moanfest from Rangnick about other grievous issues at the club.


Jim Hardin
134 Posted 02/02/2018 at 23:04:34
The reason this is an excellent move for him is that the Bundesliga doesn't do things the British way, it does them differently and arguably, better regarding a more European style of play from the top to the bottom of the Bundesliga.

Even if he only plays 7 or 8 games out of the 14 remaining he is training in a different environment over there. The training sessions are brutal as the performances often dictate who starts. Listening to some of our American players who played over there, they would talk about getting the crap kicked out of them in training and being bloody and bruised because it was 100 percent effort. They also talked about how much they improved, technically and tactically.

This can only help the kid. Playing at lower levels in England against poorer competition at his age is not helping him to develop. Plus, is there a guarantee that he would play at a team fighting relegation or chasing promotion being a new addition?
German teams play young players and teenagers if they are good enough without this, loan them out to a lower tier team first, crap.

Curious to see so many slating a young player for wanting to improve himself and challenge himself by going elsewhere. I thought we were sick of too many players happy to sit on the bench or in the stands and collect a paycheck. Now, when one of our youngsters shows ambition, we call him names and question his ego, etc. I truly don't understand the mentality of those posters and don't want to.

Steve Brown
135 Posted 04/02/2018 at 02:28:18
Congratulations to Lookman on his 89th minute winner. Took the right decision to challenge himself rather than settle for a championship loan.
Steve Brown
136 Posted 04/02/2018 at 02:33:09
Super goal as well, inconsistently taking on three defenders and slotting it in the far corner.

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