Uncertainty over Allardyce's Everton future following meeting with Moshiri

Thursday, 26 April, 2018 105comments  |  Jump to most recent

Sam Allardyce met with Everton's major shareholder, Farhad Moshiri, today but it appears as though he must wait for further clarification over his future.

The Blues' manager travelled to London to meet with Moshiri according to sources and reports by MailSport and MirrorFootball but, while he has been seeking assurances that he will be retained for next season, he was not informed of a definitive decision.

The 63-year-old was hired on an 18-month contract last November with the brief of preserving Everton's Premier League status, one he has fulfilled, albeit in uninspiring fashion.

An unpopular appointment to begin with, Allardyce's relationship with Toffees supporters has deteriorated recently to the point where he was barracked from the stands in two recent away games and a banner calling for his departure from Goodison Park was shown prominently by television cameras before Monday's match against Newcastle United.

The brevity of Allardyce's original terms suggested that Moshiri might reconsider the former Bolton, Newcastle and West Ham boss's position once the club was safe from relegation and this week's meeting, together with a rumoured board meeting tomorrow, suggests that he is indeed pondering another change in manager.

Shakhtar Donetsk boss, Paulo Fonseca, has been linked with the Everton job ever since the Ukrainian club rebuffed an approach for him from the Blues following the sacking of Ronald Koeman. His contract with Shakhtar expires at the end of the current season on 19th May.

Meanwhile, Marco Silva, the former Watford manager dismissed earlier this season by the Hornets' hierarchy who blamed Everton for unsettling him, is also available.

The Mail report suggests that director of football, Steve Walsh, was also in attendance at the meeting. His own role is believed to be in the balance as well amid reports that Marcel Brands, PSV Eindhoven's technical director, has been offered a position at Finch Farm. De Telegraaf in the Netherlands reported yesterday that Brands would make his final decision over whether or not to leave the Dutch champions for Everton within a week.


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Paul Kelly
1 Posted 27/04/2018 at 00:42:10
Even though it's just paper talk presumption, I can now maybe see a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

Louis van Gaal as our next manager is the latest rumour, teaming up with Brands? He's managed many a big club in the past, though his last stint at Man Utd wasn't exactly covered in glory, his last season wasn't too dissimilar to Jose's first, but is he what we need right now?

I think I'd rather roll the dice on a younger generation manager, we couldn't do any worse, could we?

Dermot Byrne
2 Posted 27/04/2018 at 00:56:31
Just sack him!
Joe O'Brien
3 Posted 27/04/2018 at 00:58:49
Hopefully the end is near and we can all forget that this torrid season ever happened.
Fran Mitchell
4 Posted 27/04/2018 at 01:02:03
We should publicly state he will not be manager next season.

Then we should announce who the new manager will be before the seasons end, that way no summer disruptions or uncertainty.

Allow the new team of Brands and whoever to make plans, talk to agents, even talk to current playing staff and coaches.

Beyond manager, we need a whole new backroom, only Unsworth should stay. All this way before July 1st please.

Jamie Crowley
5 Posted 27/04/2018 at 01:16:02
The end is nigh!!


Dermot Byrne
6 Posted 27/04/2018 at 01:22:43
I suspect deals being done with replacement and therefore will not announce Sam's end until they are agreed.

Makes some sense I guess.

Like the idea of the con artist hanging by a thread.

Just need a non disclosure clause or whatever it is called when he leaves so he cannot sell a "victim" story to tabloids.

Then we can all just write it off as a bad dream we had and pretend it never happened.

Myself, still have faith in Moshiri and think he does have an ambitious longer term plan for our club.

Sean McCarthy
7 Posted 27/04/2018 at 01:37:25
You appear to have greater faith in Moshiri than I do, Dermot. On the few occasions he has spoken publicly he has just embarrassed himself and the club. Voodoo anybody? How about our very own Fab Four – so fabulous I can't even remember who they were!!!

I want Sam gone as much and as quickly as the next man but do I trust Moshiri to get it right with his replacement?? I've seen precious little evidence so far to convince me. It appears his knowledge of football is whatever Billy Bullshit whispers in his ear

Frank McGregor
8 Posted 27/04/2018 at 01:42:16
This is a very disappointing day in the life of Everton Football Club. I believe Everton should honour the contract they signed with Allardyce and let him complete the contract they both signed. Nothing good will come out of his removal.

It would not surprise me that the new Manager coming in cannot win in this situation and once again we will be calling for his head by November. The club has lost all credibility – I cannot believe a questionnaire can be responsible for removing a manager.

Steve Bingham
10 Posted 27/04/2018 at 02:22:25
I hope the Moshiri had a lunch with Mr Wenger as well while he was in London.
Mike Gaynes
11 Posted 27/04/2018 at 02:28:35
Only if Wenger was picking up the check for the meal, Steve.

I could go ten deep on potential managers and Arsene wouldn't make the list.

Ernie Baywood
12 Posted 27/04/2018 at 03:35:53
I'd like to see a dignified end to this sorry episode.

Relieve him of his duties and say a public 'thank you' for achieving what he set out to do. State we offered him the opportunity to see out the season but he's chosen to go now. Make it clear that we need an ambitious appointment to meet the ambition of the club.

Then, we can enjoy the last few games with either a caretaker or a new man in charge.

Then learn the lesson. Don't ever appoint a FatSam-alike again. It was doomed from the start... a really pathetic appointment.

The next question then becomes whether we can get it right next time. Moshiri is getting a lot right, but if he can't get this one right then there's not much hope for us over the next few years – it will be yet another false dawn.

Ernie Baywood
13 Posted 27/04/2018 at 03:37:24
Sean (#7),

Do you think Sam was Bill's choice? For all his failings I struggle to believe a romantic like Bill would opt for that bloke.

Malcolm Kitchen
14 Posted 27/04/2018 at 03:37:34
Very true Dermot (6) and Sean (7) I haven't much faith in Mosh neither! Don't comment on here very much as it doesn't show up on Everton page, tonight it has though!

I actually wrote to Moshiri, a polite letter stating some facts that he ought to be aware of! Ambition was in there, an empty Goodison if Allardyce is retained & a caustic atmosphere! I get the impression he's not football savvy & things needed to be said!

So I thought maybe today I'd done the trick and Bisto head was history! But no a stay of execution, where are the scissors Dermot? just cut the damn thread!! :) Hope we get Fonseca as I'm a big fan & I know he's done wonders at Shaktar. The travelling they do beggars belief, train in Kiev 500 km away, home matches in Kharkov again 500 km south! Plenty of air miles!

Derek Thomas
15 Posted 27/04/2018 at 03:39:30
There should only be one outcome; TAXI!
Ron Marr
16 Posted 27/04/2018 at 03:40:11
I’ll be surprised if he’s still with the Blues for the final home game. Walk around the pitch after the game with the players? Don’t think so.
Jamie Sweet
17 Posted 27/04/2018 at 04:32:02
I think we made a huge mistake in the first place by making his one and only target for the season to be Premier League safety. Why not set the target as 7th, which seeing Burnley sitting comfortably up there, would not have been an unrealistic target.

By setting the target to, what will effectively end up being about 36 points, we showed such limited ambition, and handed Sam a trumpet for him to be able to blow his own horn for the rest of the season.

Giving himself an “11 out of 10” for this season based purely on the fact that he achieved his set target tells you everything you need to know. He is smugly using this as a stick to beat us with, and makes it that little bit harder to sack him.

And why wouldn’t he start comparing us to the likes of Newcastle and West Brom, when the target he was set by our owners put us squarely in the same bracket as them?

While his appointment has indeed seen us steer away from trouble, I think he has done far more harm than good for our club.

The sooner we get rid the better.

We deserve better.

We should demand better.

Chad Schofield
18 Posted 27/04/2018 at 06:15:30
Yet more farce - why?

It's like some Game of Thrones style torturous toying tactic. What's the point in him being summoned to London, missing training for there to be no outcome?!

Today's 0930 press conference will be interesting. Even if Moshiri has laid down the law, I'm not sure Sam can or will choose to ignore probing on his future in a professional manner... even with money at stake. Maybe he's too old for this shit, or nobody puts Lardy in the corner, or he'll stand in defiance and ask if we're not entertained, or, or, or he'll just say it's up to the owner... he's just the manager, focus on tomorrow etc, etc.

Let's just hope we have a replacement.

Darren Marsh
19 Posted 27/04/2018 at 06:22:55
Just get him the fuck out of here, as for a "very disappointing day in the life of Everton Football Club" well, that was the day when this fraudulent, bent, envelope-snatching, corrupt, clueless knobhead was lucky enough to get the reigns at this once great club.

The People's Club...???? Ffs, do me a favour.

Brian Porter
20 Posted 27/04/2018 at 06:26:47
Frank (#8), if he is indeed removed it will not be solely because of the fan survey.

Have you not watched the utter dross we have been producing week after week under his so-called management? Have you listened to him publicly slating his own players but being prepared to grab all the credit for any small victory?

Then we have his Koemanesque, Niasse-like statement regarding Harbury. Basically saying 'If he wants to play football, he needs to leave Everton.' You don't destroy your own players in public, that's a private matter for the manager's office. Then there's his attitude towards some of the other younger players.

I can see us losing Lookman, a great prospect, due to the way he's been pushed out to make way for an unfit, mostly unproductive Bolasie, not to mention similar treatment of Vlasic.

As for Davy Klaassen, he probably has zero confidence left after Allardyce has again virtually written him off in public. This was a man with a great reputation at home and in Europe before making the career-destroying move to Everton.

If Allardyce is still here next season I feel sure it will be more of the same, every week because he knows no other way of playing the game. No excitement, very few shots, even fewer goals and listening to him celebrating 'fantastic' away points gained in turgid draws at places like Swansea, Brighton etc.

So no, it's not just the survey that will have done for Allardyce, that's just the icing on the cake.

John McGimpsey
21 Posted 27/04/2018 at 06:30:29
Time for a clean sweep: the two Sams, the jock and a few upstairs, with Blue Bill the first to be pushed off the cliff. The sooner, the better... but hopefully Mr Moshiri has a plan and hopefully it excludes those above...
Darryl Ritchie
22 Posted 27/04/2018 at 06:32:48
Hopefully Moshiri is just making sure of the next one, before getting rid of the current one. I think it a good idea to have a definite plan going forward, because God knows we wouldn't want to have to settle for a manager like... say... Allardyce.
Ian Hollingworth
23 Posted 27/04/2018 at 06:46:55
We are putting all our eggs in one basket and hoping that getting rid of Allardyce solves all our problems.

The current board has overseen the last 3 managers and assembled the current very poor squad. Why do we think they are suddenly going to get it all right?

Buckle up, fellow Evertonians – the bumpy ride will continue for sometime. We have been an embarrassment on and off the pitch.

Kunal Desai
24 Posted 27/04/2018 at 06:51:36
The most hated manager in our history. A six-month stain on our club but one that will be erased from our memories in the not-too-distant future.
Sam Hoare
25 Posted 27/04/2018 at 07:11:21
Kunal, the most hated in our history?!

That seems a bit strong. The football has been awful and I'm not a fan of the man but he has done pretty much exactly what the board asked of him. If we stay 8th even I would have to concede that, results-wise, he's done a decent job.

James Hill
26 Posted 27/04/2018 at 07:14:51
We will get what we deserve. I have never been so ashamed and embarrassed to be an Evertonians. What absolute lack of integrity and class. We are now sewer fans.
Paul Smith
27 Posted 27/04/2018 at 07:28:12
Koeman was worse. Sam has done what was asked but has fallen short of warranting a further go. No shame in that.

He's a wind-up and reacts to fans' insults – he's human.

I've no animosity towards him.

Kunal Desai
28 Posted 27/04/2018 at 07:42:09
Sorry, Sam, he's hated in my books. Arrogant and antagonises the club in some aspect in every interview. If he kept his mouth shut and got on with it, he may deserve a little more respect. He comes across as though he is bigger than the club.
Trevor Peers
29 Posted 27/04/2018 at 07:44:52
No guarantees that Fonseca or Silva will do any better than Sam. Personally, I would go for Silva – he seems to live and breathe football.

We will know by Christmas if there is any improvement, patience will be pretty thin on the ground, one hammering at Anfield and the usual calls for the manager to go will follow. We're in serious danger of becoming the next Sunderland.

Eddie Dunn
30 Posted 27/04/2018 at 07:49:37
Ernie, it is fine in hindsight to call the appointment pathetic, but there are many of us who could see the threat of relegation growing with little sign of improvement. These things can quickly escalate as confidence drains and crowds get more anxious. It really could have happened.

The footy has been dire, but Sam A did get the points... he did what he was brought in to do. Others – like Coleman at Sunderland, Pardew at West Brom – didn't.

Peter Barry
31 Posted 27/04/2018 at 07:55:33
There is a sickness at the very core of our once great football club that no simple change of manager can rectify. It all comes from the ethos and ambition of the Board and the owners and – until and unless that is rectified – we will continue on our inevitable decline into lower league mediocrity and stagnation.
Kevin Tully
32 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:04:30
Any guesses if the survey results were shoved under Sam's grinning grid as he popped in another piece of Wrigleys?

"Look, Sam, myself & Bill love what you're doing. Hoofing it away like Sunday League side at Anfield was genius. It's those fuckers in the stands who don't want you. Out of a possible 380,000, you only scored 3¾!"

Andy Meighan
33 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:05:40
Great point, Eddie (#30),

I'm no big fan of Allardyce myself but, like you said, he's done what he's been brought in to do. Yes, the football has been awful and will continue to be unless we get a young, forward-thinking, vibrant manager. I think looking at that crowd over the park hasn't helped, the way their blowing teams away.

It's up to Moshiri now to get this next appointment right or we 'll continue to tread water. Personally, I wouldn't trust him to run down the corner shop for a message.

David Chait
34 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:09:58
Time to go and let Unsy come back for the home stretch!
Martin Nicholls
35 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:17:59
How do we know what target he was set? Maybe (Jamie #17) the target was set at 7th and the London meeting was arranged so he could explain why he has failed to meet it? We don't know!

I agree with Kunai that Allardyce is/has made himself the most hated manager in our history Sam H – no-one else has come close in my view.

As for yesterday's meeting, it is reported that he must wait for EFC to clarify his future – some would say "dithered". Well, I remember him pompously announcing to the world that Everton had dithered over offering him the job so he had informed us that he was no longer interested – tragically, Moshiri went back to him cap in hand. Well, Sam, it looks like we've "dithered" again but I don't suppose you've got the moral fibre to walk away again, have you?

Just get out of our Club!

Ed Fitzgerald
36 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:19:42
The man is reviled by West Ham fans, Newcastle fans and now Evertonians — the reasons are his appalling arrogance and contempt for the fans but most importantly the dire, football his teams serve up. He is a mercenary who only cares about money and has been the subject of a number of investigations about dodgy transfers.

The survey is irrelevant (the same one was issued last year – I didn't hear any furore about it then); you only have to listen to the away fans chiding us with you've got Sam Allardyce and our fans baying for his blood at away games to recognise he isn't fit to be the manager.

Reading some of the posters on here making excuses for him makes me wonder whether they have been attending the morgue that is Goodison Park. Sack him today!

Andy Williams
37 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:25:17
Everton That — claiming it is done and dusted. Fat Sam going at the end of the season with a nice big wedge to lie on his emperor size bed with and throw in the air laughing demonically.
Colin Glassar
38 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:31:08
Moshiri needs to get rid of Sam and his cohorts — then he needs to rid himself of the albatross in the room. We need a clear-out lock, stock and barrel.
Jim Bennings
39 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:31:19
Allardyce won't be too arsed, let's be honest.

He never expected to be here long term and he'll walk away next month saying he's done his job – which, to be fair, he has.

I expect the chase to start from a realistic shortlist of Fonseca, Silva, Howe and Dyche (not really my choice if we are looking for a variation in style of play).

John Graham
40 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:36:44
There should be no question about Sam staying.

He has been employed here to do a job and he has done that job.

If Sam stays, nothing will change:

The style of play (or lack of it);
The gloating about how well we have played (when we have just watched a load of shite football);
The slow, defensive, try not to lose attitude where we hold out for 90 mins in the hope of getting a lucky goal.

With three games to go and we are completely safe, so we should say goodbye now and get in a manager to change out style and attitude before we become a constant relegation-fighting team.

For me there are three choices Wenger (with a younger assistant), Fonseca or Silva. I am sure there are lots of fans with better knowledge of football than me who will have lots of better options without trawling up the usual Mancini, Ancelotti, Simeone etc.

Kenny Smith
41 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:40:17
The fact there's a possibility he ll still be peddling his shite footy at our great club next season must be reflected in slowers season ticket sales or even enquiries.

I'm not one for hounding him out because people like Moshiri and Kenwright get well paid as custodians to make the decisions but surely they can see that we are fucked off with this.

Being linked with crocks, has-beens and shite like Ki gets me worried that this charlatan will remain at the helm and come Christmas we'll be mid-table and being told in post-match interviews by him that was his brief, to stay on the coattails of Leicester and Burnley, so what are we moaning for?

If he stays, all faith in Moshiri will be lost and he'll be seen in the same light as Kenwright by most.

The "People's club" should listen to the people.

Jon Withey
42 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:48:36
He has done a decent enough job and been paid a pretty penny to do it.

I admire him for the amount of vitriol he gets and still manages to get enough from a team to ensure survival – many, many others don't manage that.

We really need a new direction though – his is survival football only and we need more.

Marc Hints
43 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:50:30
I think we all know what is going to happen today.

That is Sam Allardyce press conference at 9:30 will be asked the question about the meeting and he will say very positive and planning for next season.

He will be staying.

Keith Harrison
44 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:51:22
Moshiri needs to get rid of Sam then stop running the club from afar. He needs first and foremost a football man at the helm in the boardroom – and not Bill – a proper Director of Football, and a proper manager/coach.

Personally, I don't think Moshiri is the cash cow saviour we thought, and I can't say his soundbites, whether through Jim White or himself, give me hope for the future.

Sacking Sam would cheer me up today, though.

Steavey Buckley
45 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:51:42
There is no doubt in my mind, hiring big Sam was the right decision when Everton were in the mire when Everton lost badly to Atlanta and Southampton in October.

But next season, Everton badly need a manager with Premier League experience who knows how to play football. That man is Arsene Wenger. Everton should also hire Mikel Arteta has his assistant and heir.

Tony Graham
46 Posted 27/04/2018 at 08:58:13
He will see his contract out, Moshiri needs Premier League stability... he's got a lot of pots boiling...

He'll get it with, will Sam; so it's "grin and bear it", I'm afraid...

Ron Sear
47 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:06:02
Moshiri was at the Arsenal game last night. That can't mean anything suspicious, can it?
Martin Nicholls
48 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:06:12
Steavey - is not Arteta "assistant and heir" to Guardiola at Man City? Why would he trade that position for similar at Goodison Park under Wenger (even if Wenger was by some stretch of the imagination, remotely interested)?
Jim Bennings
49 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:08:00
Wenger won’t come to Everton.

He’s not going to manage another club in England nor move up North and you couldn’t really imagine at his age and a man of his experience would want to take on the mess that exists at Everton right now?

I’d love Wenger with Arteta number 2 don’t get me wrong but it’s never happening.

I’ve got my worries it’ll either be Allardyce or Dyche, who for me having watched Burnley’s style of play, I’m not sure too many Everton fans would remain patient watching a different kind of grind.

Colin Glassar
50 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:13:59
Viera with Henry as his assistant. We’d become invincible with those two.
Tony Waring
51 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:26:41
What also beggars belief is the fact that the FA appointed him England manager!!!!!!!
Brian Harrison
52 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:27:04
I will be interested to hear at his press conference today what Allardyce's take is on the press speculation that he didn't get any assurances from Moshiri about next season.

I wouldn't mind betting he uses this press conference to wind us fans up even more by suggesting there is no problem and they were finalising budgets for next season. He will again remind everyone that he single-handedly has lifted us from relegation, and will still insist the West Ham result was his.

Nev Renshaw
53 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:34:36
Allardyce was brought in to do a specific job, ie, keep us in the Premier League. Job done.

He's not the manager, in my opinion, who will win us silverware. Time to go.

Dave Abrahams
54 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:37:03
I think Allardyce should see his contract out, starting very soon on gardening leave, pay him month by month until the end of next season.

I like, most on here want Sam gone, he's done what he was brought here to do, impressed some Evertonians surprisingly, but failed miserably in the eyes of most Blues, I just hope Mr. Moshiri appoints the right man to take over, and would love him to buy the rest of Woods and Kenwrights shares but I think Kenwright is here as long as he wants to be, unfortunately, what a leech the man is.

Len Hawkins
55 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:38:04
Well one thing I like about ToffeeWeb is the exceptional ability to spend someone else's money.
Almost everyone thinks Mr Mosh should pull out his wad remove the elastic band and reel off £6million to get rid of Allardyce and his entourage without batting an eyelid.
To get Allardyce in the first place he had to offer him an 18 month contract so perhaps he doesn't feel like being shafted and is prepared to wait another 12 months then say "thanks Sam but your dream is over" without his hand going near his pocket.

By the way as a matter of interest The Queen (Elizabeth 11 not Elton John or Tom Daley) rang me yesterday she wants to get rid of Balmoral so the first one to get round to mine with £1million can have it, I'll be in tomorrow morning around 9.00 I live at the first telephone box in Lime St station I'll be wearing a Bermuda Shirt and Shorts and have a black suitcase be there before my train to Manchester Airport at 9.15. Then enjoy your own castle.

Mike Allen
56 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:40:49
I don't like the guy; however, how many good managers have we had since the start of the Premier League — or the past 50 years, for that matter? Not many... three winners in that time, plus Moyes as a good manager. So, whoever is next, the odds are that he is likely to be another also-ran unless we get lucky.

Don't go for a celeb name and be back here in two or three years time — we are not the club we once were, the game has gone into a new era and we are struggling to compete. There is little or no loyalty from managers or players and this guy is laughing at all of us but, then again, so is Matinez and Koeman and quite a few of the players.

The reputation we had as a top well-run club has been lost since the arrival of Mr Moshiri; he is not a football person – listen to Radio Merseyside, Monday Night Phone-In... even the Red Shite feel sorry for us.

Martin Nicholls
57 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:41:22
Dave#54 - good plan to put him on garden leave for remainder of his contract. That way, we'd have him in reserve to save us (as some feel he's done this season!) should the new management team f*ck up!
Only joking! I want the stain to be removed now!
Sam Hoare
58 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:53:13
I'm beginning to think that there's a quite real possibility that he could still be here next season.

Moshiri is a businessman and will not want to spend £6m+ firing Sam and hiring a new manager who may not get us any higher in the table. If we do well in the remaining games there is a real chance we might stay 8th and more importantly 7th in the table during Allardyce's reign. It seems clear from Moshiris comments about games we expect to get beaten in that he does not see us as genuine top 5 contenders yet. So why would he spend a fortune hiring a new manager who may only take us one position up in the league? As much as we moan and bleat on here the ticket sales continue to soar. Perhaps better football might get us more live games on Sky but other than that where's his margin coming from. I worry he might be happy to save his pennies for the stadium.

I have a horrible feeling that if we get 7 points or so from the last 3 games that Sam might well be here next season.

John Harrop
59 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:55:29
From the echo:

Allardyce confirms he has “clarity” on next season from Moshiri and can now start planning for next season after talks in London yesterday.

Oh please no!

Ian Mc
60 Posted 27/04/2018 at 09:58:49
We have just settled for mid table next season before a ball has been kicked. Pathetic club fucking pathetic.
Gary Fenton
61 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:02:52
He also said we have played some exciting stuff I must have blinked as I missed that. We also controlled the Newcastle game with our one shoot on target. Go Now
Brian Harrison
62 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:02:57
Phil Kirkbride for the Echo reporting from Allardyces press conference. Allardyce says he thinks " we are more entertaining now than when he first came". He also says regarding the Newcastle game " that Newcastle were very defensive and we had to be patient". He goes on to say " results have been pretty satisfying since he arrived". Not sure what question was asked but Allardyce said " whatever finances were discussed is between us and nobody else".

Jimmy Hogan
63 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:05:38
He reckons he has has been given the green light from Moshiri to stay on. Time will tell if he is fibbing
Ian Burns
64 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:07:11
Allardyce's press conference seemed to confirm he is definitely here for next season. To say I'm bitterly disappointed is the biggest understatement of them all. I can imagine I am not alone in my feelings judging by the banner at the Newcastle game and the thoughts of many on TW.

He went on further to say he is only looking thin down the squad and sign any player who can improve the first team (or some such words, can't be bothered to read it properly!).

His feet are firmly under the table but no doubt they will be back in his mouth before too long.

Neil Lawson
65 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:08:48
Frank (8)
Oh dear. Frank, is life really that bad and that depressing for you at the moment ? Have you considered counselling ?
I truly hope that sunnier days are just around the corner for you ..........and for us all.
Marc Hints
66 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:12:30
just as I thought! I certainly wont be renewing my season ticket now thats for sure.
Carl Taylor
67 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:15:51
Never felt so deflated. If he stays we will have attendances like the early 80's by November. No ambition.

I can understand him staying from a financial point, if we are still paying Koeman and after the Martinez settlement, but how can the club write a season off when the previous season isn't even finished yet?!!

I promised my lad I would take him to his first game next season well I can't do that if this dinosaur is still in charge. I mean seriously, he compared himself to Simeone at his press conference ok then, let's see us finish 2nd above Man Utd next season, because that is what Simeone has done in Spain. Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!

Dave Lynch
68 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:18:18
Know what.

If I was given a choice between Allardyce staying and Billy Bullshit leaving I would put up with the fat bribe taker (allegedly) for another season.

John Harrop
69 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:26:23
I'm beginning to think that we may come to regret the involvement of Moshiri in our club. Bill Kenwright has received much criticism over the years, but I can't believe that he would have countenanced the appointment of Allardyce.

How could Moshiri hire Ronald Koeman, so that we could we could compete in the “new Hollywood of football”, and follow that by bringing in Sam Allardyce. What do they have in common?

This is desperate stuff!

Marc Hints
70 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:29:17
I have been supporting this club for 35 years and the last 25 or so have been a shambles.
Being a human being I for one cannot take any more of the lack of ambition from the club. They pull the wool over the fans eyes every season.
Obviously Marcel Brands is not coming as I cannot see him working with Sam allardyce so thats just another Everton PR stunt probably.
Farhad Moshiri is dragging this club backwards and this is from lack of football knowledge and I cannot see it changing at all unless he hires someone who does.
He obviously does not care what the fans think, you could see the banner on Saturday and only have to watch Sam's interviews that all he cares about his himself and is totally disconnected from the fans. That should be enough for any owner to say enough is enough and make changes.
Good luck to all the fans for next season of dire football, you know the next excuse will be that we couldn't sign the players we need because of the world cup, I will give this season a miss for the first time in many years and spend my money on something else.
Derek Thomas
71 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:32:08
Peter Barry @ 31; nail on the head there mate. The quicker we get the bullshit Manager, Chairman, CEO, Marketing, Communications, Catering, Kit bag tossers out the better...We can't actually get the bullshit owner out, but hey, you can't have everything.

On the player front it would seem that 8 or so Out and 3 or 4 in would be the plan. With Quality over quantity the order or the day.

Trevor Lynes
72 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:34:42
If we are to attract a forward looking manager then this boardroom will need to promise vast sums of money to enable the new appointee to bring this squad up to snuff !!

The board have been frugal for years and have used every transfer window as a means to making a profit.We now have absolutely no big money assets amongst the present squad and the cash made on Lukaku has been squandered.Realistically I cannot see this board stumping up enough money to be able to attract a top manager.

Paul Smith
73 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:38:56
Michael Lynch
74 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:39:36
Just watched the press conference and, while Sam did say he was planning for the pre-season, he wasn't totally convincing. I still think there might be a chance of him leaving but I'd rate it about 60% likely he'll stay at this point.

Season tickets sales have rocketed and we're finishing top 8 though, so Moshiri will wonder why he should waste another load of money on getting rid of Allardyce and having to buy another squad for yet another manager. Where's the incentive for him to do what the fans want?

Joe O'Brien
75 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:40:13
Sam as well as many other bad traits is a lying fucker. He won't be here next season. The arrogant fucker wouldn't admit that Moshiri is getting rid of him, thus proving that the management as well as the vast majority of supporters think he's shite. If he was staying Moshiri would have made an announcement saying so. Sorry for the language, but I can't stand the man.
John Maxwell
76 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:43:48
It was never going to be pretty taking over after the Southampton farce, surely one of the worse Everton performances ever ?

The fact is like him or not Allardyce has done the job he was brought in to do.

We were in deep shit when he took over from Koeman and Unsworth, but we are currently 8th and can look forward to another year in the EPL, a few months ago we were on our way down.

He may not be the future but he has done his job and maybe in the next 2-5 years we can remember that.

Another summer of rebuilding awaits and more signings again for another new dawn for Evertonians ! ?!

Lots of clubs the RS included have wasted a lot more money than we have, lets hope we can get it right for next season.

Jim Bennings
77 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:48:05
If that is true then today is the day I finally stop believing in Farhad Moshiri
Charles Barrow
78 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:50:58
I am pretty certain Kenwright didn't want Allardyce. Moshiri panicked after Unsworth failed. Moshiri is calling the shots; not Kenwright. Unfortunately Moshiri knows nothing about football and has been taken for a ride by Koeman (who couldn't care less about Everton), Walsh, Shakespeare and Allardyce. A fool and his money are easily parted.
Derek Thomas
79 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:55:03
Michael @74; The Incentive? To stand still for one or even two seasons is to go backwards in real terms...thats the incentive
Keith Harrison
80 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:55:54
Sam out, and if he isn't, Moshiri out. Followed by Sam. And Sam. And Craig. And Bill. And Dunc. And all the others keeping our club in the dark ages.

Sad day for mankind.

Dave Older
81 Posted 27/04/2018 at 10:58:03
Wow this club has become a bit of a joke. Taking on Rooney was a waste of time, he is past it but we took him on in pure desperation and hope that he would bring something to the table. He has scored 10 goals but overall I don't believe he has been a sucess. Appointing Sam was the only choice before Xmas. I never wanted him and still don't. He has done well in terms of points gained at home but that is it. His press conferences are embarrassing and it is quite clear the board do not endorse him. However Wenger??? Silva????? Fonseca????? Do me a favour. I don't think any of those 3 are good appointments. The problem is I do not really see a clear candidate out there. Van Gaal??!!! No!! Look what he did at United. I really do not know the answer but I just hope the board do because out great club does not feel that great at the moment. NSNO.
Jerome Shields
82 Posted 27/04/2018 at 11:00:28
I think he has to go and so too his chief recommender.

Getting Fonscea will be more than we could hope for, given the mess the Club is in. More likely Silva – he needs a job.

It's a 5-year project anyway, if we get the right coach. . . Steve Ferns's framework is the only way.

Ed Curry
83 Posted 27/04/2018 at 11:13:24
With Sam in charge we will soon struggle to have a full house at Goodison, let alone a brand new stadium. Ah maybe we could ground share with Tranmere (no disrespect).
Geoffery Cadman
84 Posted 27/04/2018 at 11:15:46
I have just seen Sam on Sky Sports News. Sorry for all the doom and gloom merchants. Did this look like the Sam, we all know and love, who had been told he was here for another year. You only have to read between the lines to see he has no future here. We need a replacement sorted before announcing his services are no longer required. Hopefully before the final home game next week. The last two managers have been let go without this and look where have we ended up. Not happy with the LVG rumours, we have already seen the back of one arrogant Dutch man. For me top of the list should be Eddie Howe. He has improved Bournemouth every year on a limited budget and his teams play attractive football. We have tried throwing money round with a foreign coach and failed miserably. Sean Dyche, a clone of Davy Moyes. Probably why Bill Wanted him, I agree with Charles #78, I don’t think Bill wanted Sam.
John Hammond
85 Posted 27/04/2018 at 11:31:00
Frank #8: We'll all be calling for Allardyce's head in November too so what's the difference?

He has done the absolute bare minimum and shown zero ambition. Nothing he has done says he deserves to be here next season. Rooney will be the first name on the team sheet and we'll continue with the depressing performances on the pitch. His negative footballing attitude will get us nowhere.

John Harrop
86 Posted 27/04/2018 at 11:32:48
Koeman handed vote of confidence - 3 October.

Koeman sacked - 25 October.

There's still hope, maybe!

Mike Keating
87 Posted 27/04/2018 at 11:37:10
'Arrogant', 'dinosaur', 'lying fucker' — I'll go along with all of those, but 'most hated manager in the club's history'?

Have you forgotten the Walter Smith/Archie Knox regime? And what about the Dutch Bollock who landed us in this mess in the first place and is still drawing a salary from the club?

This has been the most disappointing season in living memory because the pre-season expectations were so high but point the finger where the blame lies: Allardyce is simply a symptom of the underlying cause of our distress.

I have to say that on the survey the management and leadership off the pitch got the same score from me as Allardyce & Co got for what they serve up on it.

Ernie Baywood
88 Posted 27/04/2018 at 11:45:44
I struggle to believe anything that comes out of his mouth, but would he really have the brass to lie about this?

Or could he actually be a thoroughly decent Everton taking one for the club to maintain some kind of stability while we get the man we want to replace him? I don't think so.

All I can conclude is that Moshiri has either fed him a line, or actually wants to keep him around.

I honestly don't know how much more I can take of this club.

Ernie Baywood
89 Posted 27/04/2018 at 11:56:16
Eddie (#30) – Come on, it's not just hindsight. Myself and plenty of others said it at the time.

It's not that I never thought we were in trouble. Our form under Koeman absolutely had us in trouble, but I just didn't think we needed to aim so low to avoid the drop.

But we did it... and where are we now? What was the plan once we stayed up? Sam's appointment knocked us back in terms of how we are viewed. We're Bolton. We're Sunderland. A small club surviving in the big league by turning games into unwatchable crap and throwing in the towel away from home.

None of this is hindsight. We could have played our way out of trouble – something that the squad was much better suited to than what we've done.

Maybe we'd have finished in exactly the same place? Maybe one or two places either side, but I doubt another appointment would have done the damage to our reputation. And it's our reputation and perceived ambition that we're about to try to sell to players and maybe (hopefully) a manager.

Not hindsight. All written on these pages at the time and completely forseeable.

Johan Elmgren
90 Posted 27/04/2018 at 12:05:12
If this is true, that Allardyce seems to think that he will be here next season... if there is the slightest idea in the head of Moshiri that Allardyce will be here next season, if so we need to make more noice!

We need to have banners at the last home game and chant and really, really make it clear to Moshiri that we don't want him here, so there's no way he can misunderstand. We need to make more noise!!

Allardyce out now!!

Frank McGregor
91 Posted 27/04/2018 at 12:24:39
Neil (#65),

Thanks for your concern I am feeling a lot better now that I know someone out there cares.

I also hear on the grapevine that Glyn Pardew is in line for the job. What wonderful football we will see.

Lee Brownlie
92 Posted 27/04/2018 at 12:26:10
Whatever happens with Sam Allardyce next, it's all okay anyway, lads... as I've just seen his pre-Huddersfield away press-conference and he says that we've actually 'achieved some very entertaining games' – so there!

Of course, he neglected to mention that our generally boring 'shower' has been 'entertained' off the Park by such as Man City, but it does apparently seem – to him – that, although a coach may be classed as a 'Master', defensively, in Europe... such old salts as our poor old Sam will always just get labelled 'defensive' or 'boring'.

Think that was pretty much it. As the yanks say 'Go figure', yeah? So... who needs Fonseca, huh?

Lawrence Green
93 Posted 27/04/2018 at 12:39:25
I've said all along that, if Allardyce stays, as seems more likely today than it did yesterday, then the only thing that Moshiri and co. are interested in is cash. Sam will reduce the squad and the wage bill, but he will also reduce any remaining hope that any Evertonians may have had of seeing a team to be proud of.

Every season, we behave as if we are a newly promoted club, out of our depth in the Premier League, with no chance of adding to our collection of trophies, no chance of beating our bigger local rivals, no chance of turning teams over, no chance of winning very often if at all away from home and no chance of seeing an individual player lighting up the gloom of Goodison Park.

I'm sick to death of believing that a corner has been turned or that the leadership of the club have the best intentions for us the supporters, because every time they shrug their shoulders, look at the 'sold out' signs and believe they have done their job. If the club's survey was as overwhelming as the TW poll, then surely any businessperson with an ounce of intelligence would realise that the customers are far from happy.

Mr Moshiri, it appears, is little more than a richer Bill Kenwright operating in a more expensive marketplace. The shackles are still there, as they have been for far too long. The people who run the club are dreamers who sell those dreams to us and any player/agent who's daft enough to listen to them, but when it comes to actual progress on or off the pitch, there is none and there hasn't been for 10 years. New ground, my arse, that will require funding from the club.

If I'm wrong about Sam's future, then I tentatively apologise, because there's no guarantee that the board will appoint the right replacement and the idea that another dour personality such as Lous van Gaal will take the reins fills me with little more hope than having Big Sam in the hot-seat.

I can't remember feeling so out of touch with the club and its leadership, and the final straw if it hasn't already arrived is very very close. Voting with our feet is the only option, however, most of us have already renewed for next season, so that won't have much of an effect in the short-term.

We cannot continue to give our wholehearted support to a club that allows the rubbish football served up by Sam, Koeman et al over the last few decades.

Oh the travails of being an Evertonian!

Gary Borrows
94 Posted 27/04/2018 at 12:47:03
Talk about depressing... if what's coming out of Fat Sam's mouth is true, I for one will NOT be going much next season (season ticket & all).

Surely Mr Moshiri cannot encounter putting up with this style of football?

Thank god I'm away for our last home game – roll on 13th May when things will hopefully become clearer.

Fed-up Blue.

Craig Walker
95 Posted 27/04/2018 at 12:47:55
Martinez was spared the last home game and that always seemed to me to save him from having to participate in the obligatory end-of-season lap of "honour". I'm not sure Allardyce would get a good reception if he's still in charge for the Southampton game.

To be fair, the players shouldn't get a good reception either. This season has been shambolic from the moment we threw away a 1-goal lead away at Man City against 10 men.

Marc Hints
96 Posted 27/04/2018 at 12:58:11
It's just been on Sky – Unia Emery is leaving PSG... wouldn't that be great to have him as coach and show ambition?
Stephen Davies
97 Posted 27/04/2018 at 13:13:10
According to Balague... Fonseca has turned us down.

Chances of getting Emery: Nil.

Salim Rehman
99 Posted 27/04/2018 at 13:22:42
I don't understand why people are saying Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche (I know, opinions) but, if they were that good, then why aren't the likes of Arsenal or Chelsea going for them?

And, like someone mentioned above, that Howe has improved Bournemouth, unfortunately, I can't see any improvements; one is a poor version of Moyes and the other is of Martinez.

I don't know the answer to our managerial issues but I would go for Fosenca, or Graham Potter (Ostersunds, a Swedish club) or, if he was interested, Manicini...

No small-club potential managers. But hey what do I know?

Greg Hasbrouck
100 Posted 27/04/2018 at 13:23:59
When you look at the manager Moshiri actually hired (Koeman), the managers he's been linked to wanting (Silva, Teuchel, etc.), and the fact that Sam only got an 18-month deal, it's obvious Sam will be gone the day after the season ends.

Sam was nothing more than an insurance policy on Moshiri's investment. *If* we assume PSV's Brands is in fact coming to Everton, he's going to get to handpick his own manager – not be saddled with someone he may not be able to work with effectively. Which means every rumor about managers is complete nonsense.

It further means every rumor about transfers or loans is equally baseless, as the people who will make those decisions aren't even Everton employees yet. The conversations Sam and Walsh are having likely carry as much weight as those we're having on this forum.

John Pierce
102 Posted 27/04/2018 at 14:40:30
I can only hope that, in light of the ambiguity, all Evertonians in favour of booting Allardyce do everything in their power to make it clear he is not wanted in the remaining three games.

If we just think it will happen and stay silent, then logically he will remain.

Imagine having to sack in October next season, and having to start again... again!

Pat Waine
103 Posted 27/04/2018 at 16:56:45
Brian (#20),

Klaassen got plenty of chances and never showed anything resembling a player Koeman paid a tidy sum for. Koeman wrecked the club and we missed a great opportunity to kick on.

But I fear we are in a long-term project that will take 10 years more if Sam Allardyce is not sacked at the end of this season.

Eddie Dunn
104 Posted 27/04/2018 at 19:01:32
Ernie, you may have been one of the ones who thought we didn't need to appoint Allardyce but, apart from the hindsight argument, it is purely hypothetical to speculate on what might have happened.

In fairness, we did try for Silva, and perhaps he could have got us a similar points haul with better football. However, I am of the opinion that many of our players are to blame for the poor quality of our football and our away form. Many couldn't do the basics for Koeman, Unsworth or Sam.

Allardyce is very savvy and despite his public assurances I reckon that he is well aware that he will be on his merry way in the Summer. am far from being an apologist for him but our players have been awful for ages.

The good thing is that we haven't got Europa League football, which has buggered-up plenty of teams with squads of our quality.

I would be happy if we got Howe or Arteta. I don't want Dyche, as his Burnley team are only marginally more entertaining than ourselves. Moshiri's next move is the most important one for us for years to come. It has to be a statement of intent.

The new manager will set the tone for the style of football and the sort of player we need. The expectations were high when we went shopping early in the summer of 2017. Now the expectations are much lower and most of us would be happy with a youngish coach and a quality midfield player, a centre-half, a left-back, and another striker.

Brian Porter
105 Posted 28/04/2018 at 07:28:28
Some are saying Allardyce is not the cause of the disease infecting our club but is just another symptom of what has been the slow degeneration of Everton FC.

In medical parlance, I would rather call Allardyce a 'severe complication' that has arisen after the surgery that was intended to cure the original disease.

He's like a growth, a cancer that hass taken root and refuses to let go. Moshiri had the opportunity to cut that cancer out cleanly and efficiently this week but showed he has no real grasp of what Everton is in terms of our history and the way we want to see the game played, and is allowing our suffering to drag on as we become a bigger embarrassment every time the fat one opens his mouth. We can never be taken seriously as a contender for honours by anyone, anywhere as long as lardarse is in charge. Why is Moshiri so weak? Why did we have to get a billionaire with no real knowledge of the game? I fear for the patient, because without radical surgery I can see our illness becoming terminal.


Steve Brown
106 Posted 28/04/2018 at 08:00:18
"Chances of getting Emery: Nil."

Says who? This defeatism has allowed Kenwright to drag us into a permanent state of mediocrity. I said on another thread that we should replace 'nil satis' on the crest with 'there's no way' and it still the attitude. Finally, supporters are beginning to rebel starting hopefully at the next home game.

Colin Glassar
107 Posted 01/05/2018 at 17:55:02
Why are there persistent rumours that fat Sam will be getting a contract extension? Why in God’s name I ask?
Matthew Williams
108 Posted 03/05/2018 at 18:05:57
It now seems Kenwright favours Eddie Howe as our next Gaffer.

Bound to please many Blues methinks.

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