Allardyce: We've captured hearts and minds

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Sam Allardyce again promoted his record as Everton manager during his pre-match press conference this morning ahead of tomorrow's match against Southampton.

The Blues host the relegation-threatened Saints in what is the final home game of the season and Allardyce says that recent results and performances at Goodison Park have helped win over Evertonians who have been critical of the standard of football during his tenure.

Everton have won five of their last 10 League games, all of them against teams below them in the table, which has elevated them into eighth place as Leicester City's form has fallen away.

“The efforts of the team and the turnaround of results over the period of time I've been here speaks for itself,” Allardyce said. “We have improved the level of the team consistently now from the beginning.

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“There was a middle period in January, February where we dipped but we've come through strong. The players are giving everything they have got and that's why results are where they are at the moment.

“We want to try and finish the next two games and be undefeated when the end of the season comes.

“It's a volatile world in the Premier League; it increases as the money, transfer fees and wages increase then the pressure increases and then there's criticism that you have to accept and move on with.

“It's an entertainment game. You're trying to capture hearts and minds and I think, particularly from a home point of view, we've achieved that with not just the results but the way we've beaten teams.”

Allardyce's future remains a topic of much speculation in the media, although talk that Paulo Fonseca is being lined up his replacement has died down. Former target Marco Silva was the subject of an unreliable report linking him with the Goodison hot seat again earlier today but the present incumbent is still looking ahead to pre-season and beyond based on his comments during his presser.

“I would very much [like a pre-season with these players],” Allardyce said. “Pre-season, in terms of what we're going to do and when we're going to start back is all in place; what happens at the end of the season for recruitment of players or players out is pure speculation at the moment.

“Realistically, you have to wait to see what's available and if anybody comes for your players and whether everything falls into line [in terms of] negotiations then you decide all together which is the right thing to do for the football club.

“I think where we are — seventh last year, eighth at the moment — we'd like to maintain that position of eighth in the league but I think it all depends on the recruitment in the summer and what the quality of the player might be.

“Plans are in place and names are on lists but are they achievable is another matter? When you're in a volatile market in such a short space of time this summer with the window shutting before everybody else's and a World Cup in between makes life very difficult.”


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Matthew Williams
1 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:22:14
You couldn't make it up !...jeez.
Christine Foster
2 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:22:24
"We'd like to maintain that position of eighth in the league but I think it all depends on the recruitment in the summer and what the quality of the player might be."
Unacceptable. Just bloody unacceptable.
If Moshiri has listened to this then he should be aware that alarm bells should be ringing, this man is bullying his way into a new season thinking the owner is weak.

If ever there was a statement of a lack of intent this is it. Are we sleep walking?

Steve Ferns
3 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:26:26
He’s taken lessons from Comical Ali.

So we need to sign players to finish 8th? Shouldn’t you be going on about being 6th since you took over and pushing for top 6?

If ever people wanted to know why Evertonians hate him, then watch this video.


Christine Foster
4 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:27:50
Excuses, lowering of expectation, hearts and minds? Of who? If he believes his brand of playing will win over Everton fans he is not just a BS artist, he is living in another dimension where his style and skill are rewarded oh wait, in his book he is already there.. just what are the club saying in response to this?? Can we see the survey results?
Bill Gienapp
5 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:28:50
I'd say Allardyce is delusional, but I think he's just following Trump's lead - claim whatever you want, and if anyone disputes it, dismiss them as "fake news."
Michael Lang
6 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:28:55
If any Blues supporters want to settle for 7th or 8th next season I would be astounded, while fat Sam is in charge we will stay below the glass ceiling and never send a team out to try and beat any of the Sky six.

Get big Sam and little Sam out of our club now.
Brian Williams
7 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:29:02
I watched it live and wish I hadn't as it put me in a bad mood all day.


Daniel Lawrence
8 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:30:02
Christine, it is acceptable to Moshiri though, he said so himself in not so many words earlier in the season in expecting to lose to all of the top 6 home and away, therefore Magnificent Seventh is as good as it is going to get under the last and present regime.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Christy Ring
9 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:33:29
It's time he went to SpecSavers.
Lennart Hylen
10 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:37:55
So Everton are in for Marco Silva. A manager with a 33 win % in England, former manager of Hull and the mighty Watford. A manager all clubs have been after since he was sacked in January. Is that ambition?
I hate to say it but I am really fed up with this club.
Ian Burns
11 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:40:44
I read every article, every thread on TW and no matter if I agree or disagree with people's views, it matters not, I always enjoy.

For the first time I have lost it - my blood has boiled over and I wanted to kick my computer in one hit to the bottom of the garden having read this article and this presser.

I am going to hit the gin and pretend just for one glorious drunken evening that this guy never happened at our club.

Rob Halligan
12 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:41:53
i posted the following on The Baggies interest thread.

The following was drafted by another ToffeeWeb contributor, and was sent to various contributors via e-mail. Please note that the editors, Lyndon and Michael are no way involved in the organisation behind this planned protest, or the drafting of this article:
Planned protest v Southampton by dissatisfied Everton supporters.

To all those unhappy with the way our club is being run from top to bottom, the awful football we have endured for a number of years, culminating in the dross since November 2017, a peaceful protest is planned for the last home game of the season. This hopefully will signal to Mr Moshiri that Evertonians won’t robotically accept the dross served up, have no wish to celebrate the worst season of football in years, and do look to him to provide a tangible leadership of our club going forward.

This summer will probably be the most pivotal in our history to date regarding Bramley Moore, the DOF and management structure and if Mr Moshiri gets it wrong, Everton Football Club may never be a force in English football again. If you are happy with how the club is run presently, do nothing – like we have for years. If you believe in making a statement in a non-threatening way (no expletives at Allardyce etc please), please join in.

We propose that on:-
18 minutes – supporters turn their backs to the pitch for a period of 1 minute.
78 minutes – supporters leave their seats, and either gather on the concourse for the rest of the game, or leave the ground.
Hopefully the ‘lap of honour’ to an at least partially empty stadium, and with TV coverage will signal our unhappiness with the owners, management and players, and to those in the media who believe we should be grovelingly grateful for what we have

Andrew W James
13 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:46:14
If Mr Mosh liked Big Sam surely he'd have said something to quell the speculation
He has n't. Therefore he s lining up replacement quietly ready for quick clean change-over at the end of the season.
Moshiri is no fool. If he wanted Sam he would have publicly backed him. He hasn't. Therefore its adios Sam at the end of the season. Simple.
Brian Porter
14 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:47:23
He is totally delusional and should be locked up for his own safety.
Johan Elmgren
16 Posted 04/05/2018 at 19:59:01
The farce continues...

Allardyce out now!!

Paul Welsby
17 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:02:36
Brilliant Sam! Seventh or eighth for next season it is then, as you know no matter what players we attracted you wouldn't and couldn't set the team up to win. Your way of managing and coaching are so out-dated, it would be another mistake by our owner to keep you anywhere near us.

Please let this nightmare end. It's just soul destroying for us all, well there are a few Evertonians who love finishing seventh or eighth and watching utter shite every week as they come on here backing this t**t, whilst taking the piss out of us and having more digs at us today.

It will be interesting reading posts over the next few days on this thread on why he should be here next season after saying let's maintain them said positions? He also said again in today's press-conference that the minority only wanted him gone, with a little smirk, but we have a loud voice in the game? Hmm, a minority eh Sam? Let's hope we show him tomorrow that we're not in the minority by singing loud and clear for the board to hear. And those pundits, journalists and ex-players who think we should be thankful to have this dinosaur at our club.

But I won't hold my breath because we haven't done fuck-all else over the years as our once great club has just disintegrated in front of our eyes as most of us have just sat on are arses doing nothing over the last 23 years! Don't you think we need to change? As I want to enjoy and looking forward to going the match, something I haven't been able to do for a while Let's hope the feeling is strong enough tomorrow evening to change this laughable statement of "it's not the Everton way" and put that to bed once and for all, to chase this fraud out of our club.

Sam Hoare
18 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:04:44
Surely he’s deliberately goading us?

He has a solid argument to say that results have been decent but to claim ‘we’ve captured hearts by the way we’ve beaten teams’ is clearly laughable.

And to set eighth as the target for next season?!

Looks to me like he’s courting the sack and that big payout. Or he’s totally delusional. Or both.

Nik Wilson
19 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:09:38
He is the Donald Trump of football.

Totally delusional.

Paul Tran
21 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:14:49
Sam's job application continues. Continually appealng to the accountant in Moshiri. Stability, continuity, no need for outrageous spending commitments. Risk-averse nonsense of the highest order, ready to be lauded by those in the media who think we should know our place.

Gotta hand it to Sam. He knows who to play to, unlike Unsy with his 'great privilege to manage this great club' shtick. That's the old pro in Sam, sell it to Moshiri not Kenwright.

Let's hope Moshiri still wants his project. If he does, we'll have a new manager in 2 weeks, when he's persuaded Fonseca or picked up Silva the moment he's a free agent.

Derek Knox
22 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:19:04
It seems there are no limits to Allardyce's arrogance, like many have said, surely Moshiri can't have fallen for it.

I think protests of some sort are inevitable, if only to get to Moshiri, on how ' Sam's Minority ' feel about him. A few banners wouldn't go amiss either, after all said and done, this is the last chance to demonstrate how the majority of Evertonians feel about him.

Otherwise, the unthinkable prospect of him being in charge for another season, will become a reality.

Worryingly too, that he has compiled a list of potential transfers for next season, surely the Board would not agree to any of it, if he were to be replaced.

Ben Collins
23 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:21:37
I am positive I read somewhere that Allardyce use to mess with West Ham (possibly Newcastle) fans in his press conferences, when he knew he was leaving and this not managing them the next season. He knew he was hated and so thought would be antagonistic towards the fans as a leaving present.
I pray this is his tactic with us.
Daniel A Johnson
24 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:23:57
Allardyce up there with Comical Ali and Donald Trump.

Day by day it beggars belief that this idiot finds himself in charge of our great club.

Brian Harrison
25 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:27:13
Well cant argue with the bit about capturing the hearts and minds of the supporters. He has completely ripped the heart out of the fans, as well as scrambling their minds with his non football approach.

I think he could well be nominated for a Bafta with that performance today, shame his facial expression didnt seem to show that of a man who has been given a stay of execution.

Neil Copeland
26 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:33:09
I have posted elsewhere voicing my concern at the risks involved in taking on another manager and although I am not an Allardyce advocate I was genuinely concerned about more upheaval. My view has been changed completely by this latest presser, does he seriously think that 7 or 8th is good for EFC? We need to get this fraud out now I really no longer give a shit about the risks.

Rob (12), I think that it a good way of showing our feelings - I am with and will be at the game. How widely circulated has the plan been distributed?

Tony Abrahams
27 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:33:17
His comments made me shudder, and not just for Everton, but also the beautiful game I used to love, but they also made me happy, because it's obvious to me now, that he's nearly finished with the blues.

I know he's got thick skin, but only a fucking lunatic, would be able to come out with such unadulterated shite, when everyone knows how draining it is, watching his team play football every week.

Daniel A Johnson
28 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:33:48
Ben Collins: Indeed Allardyce did wind up the fans with sly digs and little pops here and there. He even named the Spanish Villa he purchased after being sacked by the Magpies St James Palace.
Ed Fitzgerald
29 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:35:52
He has captured some peoples minds - some believe its reasaoanble he is left in charge - Iit would be funny if it was another club - but it’s not! All out the gates on 78 - if we don’t make a protest we will get what we don’t deserve
Neil Copeland
30 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:39:54
Ed, agreed. Come on guys and girls we need to show Mr Modhiri how we feel in front of the cameras.
Rob Halligan
31 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:43:27
Neil # 26. Unfortunately the idea has only been mentioned on TW, and only within the last ten days or so. Many have said on here they are all for the protest and will join in. However, if it's only a small number, even between 400 - 500 could be deemed a small number in a crowd of over 39000, then it would be barely noticeable, considering how many normally leave before the end anyway.

We shall wait and see.

Ian Hollingworth
32 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:44:30
I think we are in for a big shock.
How much would you bet that the majority of fans walk out on 78 mins?
The majority will not walk out at all, we have seen this before.
The board knows this and that folks is why Sam will be in charge next season.
23 years and counting.
By the way getting rid of Sam will not solve our problems they go much deeper than that.
Peter Lee
33 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:45:06
I listened to the press conference but couldn't pick up most of the early questions. Did anybody hear what was asked of SA before he made the comment about maintaining our current position and then talking about recruitment?
Neil Copeland
34 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:53:22
Rob, thanks. We can but try and hope that more join in. I will talk to the other supporters that sit close by, hopefully they will take it on board.
Peter Gorman
35 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:55:05
hearts and minds? my arse and deep blue eyes
Brian Wilkinson
36 Posted 04/05/2018 at 20:59:16
Well I for one will be walking out on 78 mins, whether any follow suit I do not know, but I feel I need to do something.
Soren Moyer
37 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:02:30
He well and truly deserves NOT be given any job at any club! Pack your chewing gums and GET THE HELL OUT!
Paul Welsby
39 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:04:51
If we are beating Southampton tomorrow, then I'm afraid we might not get the desired effect most of us want. I have a feeling some fans will be happy for a victory and think Sam is turning things around. This is something us Evertonians have to change. We can't just keep accepting mediocrity, can we?

I believe he will be gone, but I do have this nagging feeling, what if he doesn't? Can you imagine this stain on our club being applauded around our ground tomorrow like he is this great manager he himself thinks he is. It sickens me to my stomach and doesn't look good for our future if he does?

Bill Watson
40 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:13:52
S A is right about the home form and winning hearts and minds.
After the Newcastle game and the brilliant strike rate of one shot on target = one goal and a 100% success rate I rushed straight around to the Park End and renewed my season ticket.
My euphoria was justified because we did the same thing, again, in the first half v Huddersfield!!
Rob Halligan
41 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:15:37
That's what we want, Neil. Word passed amongst fans who sit near you, or in the pubs before the game.
Ian Riley
42 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:17:22
Oh come on let's give him another season. Feel I might be alone on this one?
Peter Lee
43 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:19:58
I'm with you Ian.
Lawrence Green
44 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:20:58
Ed #29 Perhaps we can chant your phrase 'All out the gates on 78' in order to let others know what to do?

Give him another year? I think that might see a record fall in Season ticket renewals for 2019/20, but you pays your money you makes your choice.

Neil Copeland
46 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:23:22
Lawrence, it can only help,
Mike Hayes
47 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:25:27
All going off on Facebook Everton pages and twitter so there will be plenty joining in the protests - see how ambitious the fans are tomorrow
Paul Birmingham
48 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:28:36
Ian at 32, I agree. The 30 year decline will need a radical board shake up and in my view based on other business, a new business model and to decide if they really want to be in the EPL. The stench of neglect, decay and delusion must reek around FF and GP.

The contempt and acceptance of mediocrity and living on mainly very old history is not a way out.

FM needs to decide soon which way he’s going and who’s being retained, and what the plan is..

It’s the worst era in the last 50 years and All fans on TW and every where, know the score of where we are now. We’ve done enough contemplation between us all to last a 1000 years.

It’s scary but many of us won’t see the club win in style again let alone win a trophy.

I can’t wait for the season to end and next Sunday night, hopefully there may be some genuine hope on the horizon for EFC.

NB Thinking of a win double on us to win the next 2 games plus the Madrid clubs, in the Europa & Champions League, but does any one think I’m on a loser there?

Brian Williams
49 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:29:13
That's what I wanted to hear, that Facebook and Twitter are involved. That means maximum coverage over shortest time.
Dave Abrahams
50 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:29:37
I have never ever left an Everton game in all the years I have watched them, tomorrow on seventy eight minutes I will be leaving the Upper Bullens Stand.I dearly hope plenty more will do the same all over the ground.
Paul Welsby
51 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:31:29
Paul Birmingham: Save your money lad.
Neil Copeland
52 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:35:06
Dave, like you I have never left early before but will do tomorrow. I am in the Top Balcony so at least we will have some support on both sides of the ground. Up to the individuals if the join in or not but again like you I sincerely hope they do.
Steve Ferns
53 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:37:13
Make it clear that you’re leaving on 78 all game. It’ll pass around the ground.
Niloc Sreym
54 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:40:34
Never felt the need to comment on TW after reading for years but for the sake of my 11-year-old son who has joined me for the last 5 years as a ST holder something has to be done fed up, bored, not going while he is in charge... all from a clued up kid and I'm sure there are many more.

He could see the wood through the trees with Moyes was enthralled at the beginning with Martinez and loved the songs, full of optimism with Koeman but let down with durge and nearly being killed off Everton for good with Allardyce.

ST sorted for next season but we will be out on 78.

Dave Ganley
55 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:41:02
Fuck me what planet does he live on?

I shall be leaving on 78minutes tomorrow, let's hope many more do the same

Rob Halligan
56 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:41:14
Dave, Neil, I'm in the upper gwladys, I know people in the park stand who will also be leaving, so pretty much all four sides are covered.
Aiden Doyle
57 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:47:56
I'm also with you Ian.

Two things swing it for me: firstly, as has been widely reported, we'd be sixth now if we only counted games since Allardyce took charge. That's not great, but it's not too shabby considering the demoralised, horribly imbalanced squad that he took charge of.

Secondly, he's only had one transfer window - a January one at that - but he definitely improved that squad. I don't think that many people argue that Walcott's not an upgrade on Lennon and, whilst Tosun's no Lukaku, he's better than what we had. We'll never know how Mangala would have worked out but it's pretty clear that Sam knew that centre back was an area that needed to be addressed.

I'm not enamoured by Sam's style of play (to date) or his over-inflated sense of self worth but I'm not sure that I can say he's done a bad job so far. All things considered, I think that he's deserved a stay of execution.

Neil Copeland
58 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:50:57
Aiden, Ian and Peter are you serious? Is 7/8 th really the eight of your ambition for Everton?
Neil Copeland
59 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:52:02
Sorry, eight should read height.
Aiden Doyle
60 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:54:58
Not one of us said that Neil.
Mike Gaynes
61 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:55:24
Off topic, congrats to our old boy Shane Duffy.

Immense performance today against ManU as Brighton win to stay up.

Neil Copeland
62 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:56:09
Aiden, fair enough but that is what we will get with Allardyce.
Tony Williams
63 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:56:39
What this clown said makes me feel it was scripted by Moshiri.
Andy Crooks
64 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:57:25
Ian Burns # 11, I love that post and the relationship between you, Gin, ToffeeWeb and Everton. It kind of paints a picture of the passionate supporter who can' t get to the game.

Many times I have read about you having another gin and have thought, I'll have another drink too. So, it's your fault. Everton does it to you, Ian. I reckon if I didn't support this club I'd be a lean, marathon running, skinny sort of bloke with a goatee.

Brian Williams
65 Posted 04/05/2018 at 21:58:01
Aiden. By saying he deserves a stay of execution you DID say that.

Allardyce openly stated in the presser today that the plan for next season was to maintain our present position. No mention of improving on it or moving forward, merely to maintain eigth.

If you believe he deserves to stay then you are, by backing him, happy with that.

Aiden Doyle
66 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:01:54
Perhaps Neil, but things have improved under Allardyce - marginally perhaps, but they have improved.

The real question is if not Allardyce, then who? There are better managers out there for sure, but which one of them would realistically want to attach themselves to what is currently a basket-case of a club?

Edit: No Brian, those are your prejudices and preconceptions talking, not me, not Peter & not Ian.

Damian Wilde
67 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:03:59
Does he say this stuff to wind us up? 'Entertaining' football? It's dreadful, I hate going to the match, it's a chore, awful. And his ambition is eighth? I'm livid.

Please don't tell me he'll be in-charge next season, I couldn't cope with it, I'm losing the plot.

Brian Williams
68 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:09:40
Aiden. Total rubbish. If you back him after what he said at the presser then you must be happy with him. He clearly stated eighth is his goal.
If you back him then it's obvious you're ok with what he's said.

Also, you mention his style of play (to date) like he's only played lime that THIS season.

For (to date) you should substitute it with (throughout his long managerial career).

If you think after the shite football we've watched (you have watched haven't you?) all season that he deserves a "stay of execution" then you're very very easily pleased.

Oh....and you deserve him!

Neil Copeland
69 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:11:43
Aiden, I don’t disagree but I want us to go into every season aiming as high as we possibly can. Whilst I appreciate it to be unrealistic I still want us to be champions and win both cups, I cannot see the point in competing otherwise. To have a manager who will clearly settle for being an also ran before a ball is kicked is just not acceptable.

I don’t know who make a good manager but as long as that person shows true ambition and fully embraces Everton, they will have my full support.

Aiden Doyle
70 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:14:41
Congratulations Brian, you have literally resorted to putting words in other people's mouths.

Edit: Neil, I basically agree, but sometimes you need to consolidate and take stock of the situation. I might very well be wrong, but I think that this might be one of those situations.

Derek Thomas
71 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:30:07
I'm staying, but hopefully, a few might be going, after that don't hold your breath, its sell to buy out there but only if the price is right.

Deep joy.

Lev Vellene
72 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:33:19
Deluded? Why does that stick in my mind?

Aah, I have no pride, or any knowledge about EFC's glorious achievements against better placed teams this season! There was a time we had two fingers to offer them...

I apologize!

Ian Hollingworth
73 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:33:34
Just to be clear I want to see the back of Sam
I just think that the majority will not leave on 78 mins and this will be seen by the board as a reason to keep him.
Remember season ticket sales are sold out.
I am just saying don’t be surprised tomorrow.
James Flynn
74 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:34:31
Gotta give it to him. He's trolling Evertonians.

He's gone, but you got to give it to him. He flat doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks. Making millions along the way, no less.

Glad you're gone, Sam. But my cap's doffed. ^ million more, at your age, for just standing there watching.

As an Evertonian, couldn't imagine someone getting so much for so little as Roberto did.

He needs to shift for you, though. All that dosh for doing nothing.

My cap doffed.

Tony Dove
75 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:46:59
I can't go tomorrow and am totally gutted I wont be able to walk out in the 78th minute to help get rid of the alien. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but those arguing on the basis of league position/results are not really getting the point.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE everyone make it a protest that can't be ignored.

Bobby Mallon
76 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:48:59
I will gladly walk out tomorrow
Brian Wilkinson
77 Posted 04/05/2018 at 22:50:48
Neil@52, I am in the top Balcony as well, so you will not be on your own leaving your seat on 78 mins.
Keith Harrison
78 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:05:07
If anyone wants a copy of the notice I have done, the one Rob has typed out above at post no.12, please email and I will forward you the word document in .docx format.

This protest is not about Sam Allardyce, it's about whether we accept the shit running of the club for years, and the shit football that has now" won our hearts and minds".
To do nothing is to accept it, and in so doing, we will end up with what we deserve.

At the end of the day, the choice is yours, and I respect that. I ask that in turn you respect mine.

Andy Crooks
79 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:05:11
If I could be there tomorrow I would be proud to walk out. I can't, so I accept that I have absolutely no right to ask others to do so.
Kevin Tully
80 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:10:14
Andy - that's made me laugh,mate. I realise you are serious, but you kind of said "if I was there I'd feck off"

There's definitely a joke there somewhere.

I'll be thinking of you as I leave, my friend. Hopefully we'll raise a glass sometime.

Brian Williams
81 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:12:54
Top balcony must be full of Brians. I'm there too, see you on 78, with all the other Brians. :-)
Steve Ferns
82 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:15:25
Just heard from a mate that Allardyce is here for another season at least.

We can't let this happen. We need to make it clear to the board. Force them to get rid of Allardyce before he ruins our youth system and undoes the last thing that was good about the club.


Chris Gould
84 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:24:29
I personally think that he meant that he wants to maintain 8th this season, and for us to improve next season will depend on our summer's transfer business.
I don't believe he actually meant that he is targetting 8th next season.
I watched the press conference and think this is all getting blown out of proportion.
He looked and sounded tired. I think he just hasn't explained himself succinctly. He was asked if 4th to 6th was achievable with the players we have. He clearly didn't it was. He basically said that we need to maintain 8th and then improvement will depend on the quality we are able to buy in the summer. I don't think anyone believes that this lot are better than 7th or 8th. He sounded a bit tired and it came across a bit muddled.
Joe Foster
85 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:24:37
Erm...say what now?
Stephen Meighan
86 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:25:25
All out on 78 mins. Sick of it
Steve Ferns
87 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:27:54
Chris he is tired and muddled. He's 63 now. He was 9 years older than any Everton manager ever on appointment.

We need a manager who can go on the training pitch and kick the players arses and show them what to do. Not someone in the canteen helping himself to another pie, chips and gravy whilst Shakespeare has them all doing extra practice on hoofing it into row Z.

Brian Wilkinson
88 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:30:05
Brian@81, will be like a monty python scetch in the top balcony, I,m Brian, I,m Brian and so is my wife.

Least you will not be alone totting out of the top balcony on 78 mins.

Brian Wilkinson
89 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:31:39
Voice of reason Steve@78, well said.
Dave Ganley
90 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:37:35
Why do people try and spin it by saying we would be 6th if the season started when Allardyce started. That's as bad as Allardyce saying we won the 2nd half. It just distorts. Who have we played and won against in allardyces time? Well teams below us really. Anybody of any note we just tried to shut up shop and got beat with barely a whimper. Beating the likes of Huddersfield and Newcastle just doesn't do it for me. Can you really forget about allardyces claim to a great point at mighty Swansea? That's allardyces ambition. Keeping Allardyce means no ambition. Anybody advocating it just really doesn't want progress just regression .
Sean Chen
91 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:40:24
We've captured hearts and Minds." Of Liverpool Fans?,"We've captured hearts and Minds." Of Liverpool Fans?,,,1,23:37:52,,,ok,21549,05/04/2018 23:37:52,,reader,, 915375,36605,toffeeweb,04/05/2018,Don Alexander,,"The episode where he took the ball off Bainsey to attempt a penalty in January 2015 against the mighty WBA resonates with me. The fact that he missed the pen is irrelevant to the fact that he thought himself so far above the team ethic as to deny the most prolifically reliable penalty-taker in the country, by a distance, the opportunity to put us one up in a goalless match in favour of trying to grab the chance to do what he'd never at the time done, namely score a penalty, to his personal glory, said it all.

I said at the time that he was a total shit. I also asked questions as to what sort of management regime allowed such behaviour and just why Leighton Baines didn't show enough cojones to not give the ball to the shit. It all pointed towards a major mental deficiency at the club that resonates to this day sad to say.

Aiden Doyle
93 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:46:11
Dave, you're well within your rights to dislike Allardyce but whatever you're opinion of the man, he can only be objectively assessed on the basis of what's happened on his watch and, on his watch, things have been (even) less pretty but (somewhat) more effective. Why should saying so be considered spin?
David Connor
94 Posted 04/05/2018 at 23:53:22
I'll have some of whatever Sam's smoking, please... What an absolute Grade 1 dickhead he is. When are the board gonna bring the curtain down on this fucking clown. He's done what he came to do. Pay him off & fuck him off. Some of the worst football from one of the worst squads I've seen at Goodison in the last 30 odd years. When is it gonna change. Shows how bad the rest of the Premier League are when we can finish 8th or 9th.
Brian Williams
95 Posted 05/05/2018 at 00:26:05
Dave, some people use statistics to affect things.
They point out that we'd be sixth if the season had started when Allardyce arrived.
The statistics they don't advertise are those that place us 19th in shots etc etc Can't be arsed going through all of them they're so depressing.
They're happy with points mate and aren't bothered how those points are gained.
One fucking shot per game and they're happy with three points.
You're wasting your time with those types mate. They're the sort who'll tell you Allardyce is statistically the most successful England manager of all time with a 100% win rate.
They're mediocre supporters happy with mediocre football because they know no better.
Don't waste your time on them they deserve no better than Allardyces football.
They're frightened to aspire to better things for fear of failure.
Mid table safety and an afternoon out, that's what they're about.
Si Cooper
96 Posted 04/05/2018 at 00:26:11
“I think where we are — seventh last year, eighth at the moment — we'd like to maintain that position of eighth in the league but I think it all depends on the recruitment in the summer and what the quality of the player might be.”
If that is a direct quote, Chris Gould, there is only one way to interpret it (even though this guy regularly mangles the language so much he doesn’t actually make sense - like Trump). The ambition is eighth IF we have a good transfer window.
To paraphrase Dean Ashton earlier on tonight “It’s poor to watch but it gets results. What more do fans want?” Well I doubt you heard my reply Dean, even though I shouted at the TV screen as loudly as I could, but I’ll print it here for everyone to read.
I want to once more look forward to watching every minute of every match Everton play. I want to feel that, win, lose or draw, the players are striving to be better than the opposition on some level, not just content to contain them as much as possible, and rely on a few key moments going our way, week in, week out, ad infinitum. I want to be able to join in football conversations with fans from anywhere knowing that my team is respected as a potential banana skin if not out and out feared. I want Everton games to be the sort that neutrals would enjoy so that we may attract ever more Evertonians.
I wasn’t that bothered about tomorrow’s game but now I’m going to make the effort to find a pub with the game on just so I can show my solidarity with the match going fans (and anger at what the likes of Dean Ashton think should be good enough for our club) by walking out on 78 minutes.
Aiden Doyle
97 Posted 05/05/2018 at 01:20:50

Firstly, so long as the full context is provided, you can't use statistics to misguide an intelligent audience. Facts are facts, regardless of whether or not they support your point of view.

Secondly, nobody here - and I'm pretty sure that's it's safe to say, literally nobody - has a delusionally rosy view about Allardyce's record as an England manager.

Thirdly, what on earth does "mediocre supporter" mean? We may well have different views about what the best route to success is, but I'm disgusted at the suggestion that anybody on these forums doesn't want us to succeed.

Finally, it's frankly offensive to suggest that anybody who doesn't fully comply with your point of view is scared of success. Nobody is satisfied with "mid-table safety and an afternoon out" but it is not unreasonable to see marginal gains over the course of several seasons as a more likely route to sustained success than some kind of overnight Cinderella story.

David Barks
98 Posted 05/05/2018 at 01:43:06

No, if you are in any way ok with Allardyce staying as manager you are accepting mediocrity. That’s just a fact. He has decades in the game with absolutely no success whatsoever. He is exactly what this club does not need and is of the exact mindset that he’s seen Everton fade into the background.

Under his watch things have been dreadful, the football dreadful, he did worse against the same clubs Koeman had to face and was rightly sacked for. Add the completely unwarranted ego the man has and I have no idea how anyone could think for one second he should be at Everton.

James Hopper
99 Posted 05/05/2018 at 01:58:59
I’ve said everything I’ve got to say about this utter moron.

Is there any level he won’t stoop to to promote himself?

Steve Ferns
100 Posted 05/05/2018 at 01:59:14
How on earth is another year of Sam Allardyce progress? It's regression.

- another year of being last on match of the day
- another year of playing awful football and ruining our reputation
- another year of buying overpaid old players
- another year of our older players wasted, eg Gylfi would be almost 30 by the end of it
- another year of failed development of the youth players
- how many youth players will be sold?
- another year of losing the "hearts and minds" of the next generation
- another year of my life gone
- all wasted and for what

Admit it, Allardyce apologists, you're fearful people. Don't give in to the fear. Roar to get him sacked. Let's get someone without fear in. Let's coach the players to attack. Let's fear no one. Let's try to beat every side twice next season, no matter who they are. Let's say we are going to try and win the league. We're Everton aren't we?


Aiden Doyle
101 Posted 05/05/2018 at 02:01:47
How on earth is another year of Sam Allardyce progress? It's regression.

- another year of being last on match of the day - who cares?

- another year of playing awful football and ruining our reputation - There are two issues here - a) awful football and b) our reputation. Frankly a) I'd like us to win without style but mostly I'd like us to win and b) as Mourinho knows who cares?

- another year of buying overpaid old players - Please explain how that's Allardyce's fault.

- another year of our older players wasted, eg Gylfi would be almost 30 by the end of it again, - Again, Please explain how that's Allardyce's fault.

- another year of failed development of the youth players - see above....

- how many youth players will be sold? Don't know; don't care. If they're good enough keep them; if they're not...

- another year of losing the "hearts and minds" of the next generation. What are you talking about? Are you saying that we should sucker kids in on the basis if unreaisitic expectations?

- another year of my life gone. Yes.

- all wasted and for what. Nothing. Welcome to the concept pg nihilism.

Admit it, Allardyce apologists, you're fearful people. ..Not really, no.

Don't give in to the fear.. . I haven't.

Roar to get him sacked... Don't care one way or the other.

Let's get someone without fear in... Great. Name one realistic candidate.

Let's coach the players to attack... Fab. Who's doing the coaching?

Let's fear no one... erm I don't.

Let's try to beat every side twice next season, no matter who they are... Yay, Champions away... always aneasy match.

Let's say we are going to try and win the league. We're Everton aren't we? We are.. and we won't.

Justin Doone
102 Posted 05/05/2018 at 02:22:29
"HOPE to remain unbeaten in the two remaining games" - I hope to win them.

"remain 8th next season" this should be minimum target.

Problem is Sam we are not Bolton. We aren't a newly promoted club, we aren't relegation fodder. You were not good enough for West Ham or Newcastle and your certainly not good enough for Everton.

Sadly if Sam stays or goes I would be happy with eighth next season. Far better than risking a relegation battle. Stability is important to Moshiri.

The difference is I want to enjoy watching the team play, players 'going for the win', more forward, attacking play then defensive shadow chasing. I'd like to talk about players in good form, the hussle, the passing and interplay of the team. A hero for future generations. I think the young players have done well but I can't sell "the potential of a player" to my kids.

There are other teams who are exciting to watch, scoring goals and players that stand out as being the one to watch, for kids to imitate. Who have we got?

Name calling will not win you an argument when talking to a successful business man.
Stay away or walk away, that will talk louder to Moshiri.

8th with Sam or 14th with 'a Martinez'. Both frustrating but I'd take 14th with good attractive football anyday.

I HOPE for both good football and challenging for Europe. Mancini hasn't agreed to the Italian job yet, I hope it's because we have declared our interest.


Phil Sammon
105 Posted 05/05/2018 at 03:24:01
As a former season ticket holder, now banished to the arse end of the earth, I sincerely hope every person able to attend the game has the good sense to leave, in protest, after 78 minutes.

In fact, I think you owe it to those who can’t attend. We have no way of demonstrating how much we want this man out of our club. The 95% poll verdict clearly hasn’t made any difference to Moshiri.

Martinez, Moyes, Koeman - all deserved grief at some point or other, but I do believe that all of them had redeeming qualities.

Allardyce has none. He is a complete gobshite of a man who is going out of his way to goad the fans. Well, consider me goaded - I can’t take having this individual as the figurehead of the club I love.

WALK OUT ON 78 - please!

Steve Brown
106 Posted 05/05/2018 at 04:16:19
These threads now follow a predictable pattern where posters spend a huge amount of time and effort trying to persuade one absolute half wit that his/her defence of Allardyce is mistaken.

Today's contribution comes from Aiden Doyle @ 103. My suggestion to my fellow contributors is not to respond any more to Aiden's attempts to wind you up. I think we can all agree that Aiden is 'Half Wit of the Day' and move on.

Steve Brown
107 Posted 05/05/2018 at 04:20:00
Turn you back on 18 minutes and walk out on 78 minutes. If we don't do this then the club will regard us as cowed and defeated. If they can get away with inflicting Allardyce on thr club, then they can do anything with impunity.
Rick Tarleton
108 Posted 05/05/2018 at 06:12:59
Allardyce is an ego and an id, he has no idea of how he is seen and how people feel about him. If he perceives any negativity towards him his ego is such that he can convince himself that they are wrong and do not understand his great vision. Unfortunately he is also our manager.
I hope there is a protest, but I fear it will have little effect on this monstrous ego.
Brian Porter
109 Posted 05/05/2018 at 06:38:53
He has singularly failed to capture hearts and minds, broken hearts, yes, and muddled minds with his constant distortion of the truth, certainly. He would have done very well working for Josef Goebels' propaganda department. In fact, has anyone else noticed he keeps talking about 'me and my department'? What other football manager talks about the team being a bloody department ffs?
Neil Copeland
110 Posted 05/05/2018 at 06:42:02
Looks like I need to change my name to Brian or try and get a ticket elsewhere with the other Neil’s. I will still turn my back on 18 and walk out in 78, if any asks I will tell them my middle name is Brian.
Ian Linn
111 Posted 05/05/2018 at 07:11:16
Sam Allardyce did what he was required to do, which was keep us from being relegated.

It is debatable whether we would have dropped anyways, but none of us have a crystal ball.

What is clear is that his style of football is not what we want - Sam's footballing philosophy is dated and moribund.

I don't know who the next manager will be for next season but I would prefer it not to be Allardyce,

Kunal Desai
112 Posted 05/05/2018 at 07:26:29
Why is everyone still worried Allardyce will be here next season? He's not. As super Kevin Campbell tweeted big changes at Everton over the summer with a wink. He probably knows alot more than we do.
Phil Sammon
113 Posted 05/05/2018 at 07:54:22

There’s very good reason to be worried. If we don’t do something about it, Allardyce will be in charge next year.

Paul Birmingham
114 Posted 05/05/2018 at 07:55:55
Be careful what you wish for. My instinct is that the manager and his coaches will be here next season. I could well be wrong but the body language suggests this is a done deal.

The football side of the club is dire and until the club puts in place a board who want to run a successful business and not be living in fairy land, then problem at EFC will grow. A new manager with the same rancid board won’t fix the issue. We need proven business man who crave success and not mediocrity.

It’s huge now and if this lot don’t take stock now they will be permanent members of the prop up league within the EPL, the teams that never break into the top 5.

SA was never a fit, the club knew that. Let’s see what happens after West Ham.

Colin Glassar
115 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:05:54
8th sounds about right for a club who’s majority shareholder doesn’t expect us to beat the teams above us. A club who’s Dear Leader has only one ambition - survival. A club who retains shit players with a variety of drug and drink related problems etc

In fact, with gobshites like the above mentioned running our club, 8th place sounds fucking wonderful.

Ernie Baywood
116 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:26:29
If we get shut of him we can't know that we'll finish above 8th, or that the position won't dip.

But if we stay with him I'm very confident we'll make no progress towards being a top 6 side and won't play football worth watching. Then we'll change manager in, at best, the same state.

Basically, it's a no brainer to take the chance now.

Keith Harrison
117 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:33:20
For christ sakes lads, my idea of the protest was to register your dissatisfaction with the running of the club, not to start open warfare between supporters.
If you are either happy with the current situation, or just not arsed to protest, thats your choice. Myself and an increasing number of others are not happy, and simply want to let our feelings be known in a dignified manner - which I believe is the Everton way - but still send a signal out.

What next, pro-protesters singing "Out the gate on 78" with the Sam backers singing "We hate the 78?"
This isn't simply about Sam. It's about the club, the last 20 years, the condescending media, the shite football and the fact that all of the above think that us fans should just shut the fuck up and accept it, because we are just stupid, blind, loyal supporters who appear not to matter.

Whichever side you fall on, stop the personal invective please lads (and any ladies).
It's not the Everton way.

Oh. Allardyce out by the way. Kev Tully has promised to buy everyone in The Winslow a drink who are in there between the 78th and 90th minute.


Tommy Coleman
118 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:34:43
Please walk out on 78 mins.. win, lose or draw.
John McGimpsey
119 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:39:40
Boycotting the whole game would have been better but "out on 78" is a no brainer.

Anyone saying give him a year look around at the older people who have waited long enough for more success.

Alexander Murphy
120 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:42:10
Simple logic for Me.

Arsene Wenger departs Arsenal, largely at the behest of their fans disapponintment at not winning trophies.
Everton will have won fuckall for 24 years by the time the next League Cup is raised aloft. Furthermor, Everton sat just eight points behind Spurs, when we appointed the stats mad manager, we presently languish twenty points away.

OK, that is the evidence.

Are Arsenal looking to replace the widely respected Professor with the gravy stained hippo ?

No, because that would be ludicrous for "a club like Arsenal".

Thank you so very much for nothing Mr Kenwright.

I'm leaving before the final whistle today for the very first time in My Blueblood Evertonian life. Shame upon those who remain, call y'selves Evertonians ?

Because if you do then I do not want to be in the same ground as you

Allardyce out !

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

Tony Everan
121 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:43:30
There no question that a PR drive is well and truly in full swing.

He gets masses of free personal advertising space in these pressers, so it is a great opportunity to market himself.

He must know it is impossible to stay on in his position and may have already been told so. The level of discontent towards him is just too much.

The pressers are his shop window and the accountants at WBA etc etc will be wanting some of it.

Walk out on 78

Jerome Shields
122 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:44:48
Sounds as if he is on a local election panel, try to spin a result that does not exist.
Tony Abrahams
123 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:46:43
Si cooper, what you want, is also what I want from my team, mate.

I remember having something to eat at Swansea, everyone had left the place to go the match, and I was just sitting there having a latte, and was actually excited to be going to see my team play football.

It hasn't happened much during my adult life, but during that first season of Martinez, the football got better, and going to the game became a bit more, than something I've just always done.

I want to see clever footballers, managed by a clever manager, and I want to see some excitement at Goodison Pk, before she eventually closes forever.

Si, if you can get to Goodison, I will give you my ticket,, because although I want to go, just like the end of the Moyes era, I can't find it in myself to go inside Goodison right now

Ed Fitzgerald
124 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:48:48

Nothing is going to change at this football club unless there is some form of visible protest. Where are the survey results ? they should be published given the people who completed them are the STH and or Everton members.

The suggested protest is peaceful - no meaningful change at this club is going to be achieved unless the supporters (Who are the club - IMO) let their feelings be known. It’s not exactly warfare!

Neil Copeland
125 Posted 05/05/2018 at 08:59:49
I am not sure if I have ever gone to the game without being too bothered about the result before. Of course I want us to win, I always do, but the level of protest has to be our priority today.

So come on all - out on 78 if you truly care about our great club.

Tony Everan
126 Posted 05/05/2018 at 09:09:55
What worries me is that people at boardroom level think the discontent is because we are a looking at things through a prism at Liverpool’s success.

ie : If Liverpool were 9th and not in Europe, we would be in Football Wonderland.

They will be looking for lame excuses for the antipathy towards Sam Allardyce. This nugget will be up there.

If you want another season of Sam Allardyce and mind numbing mediocrity, stay sitting in your seat after the 78th min.


Make a statement

Walk out on 78

Chris Gould
127 Posted 05/05/2018 at 09:11:17
Si #96
He was asked if this group of players could get us to 4th to 6th. Understandably, he didn't think that was realistic and felt that we needed to maintain 8th and that any chance of getting higher will depend on summer recruitment.
It was a slightly muddled response but I believe he meant for us to maintain 8th with this group until the end of the season, and that any chance of pushing for 4th to 6th next season will depend on success in the transfer window.
Obviously nobody cares what he actually meant as this is another opportunity to put the boot in.

I think the decision has already been made one way or the other.

Ben Howard
128 Posted 05/05/2018 at 09:47:39
That's it. He's definitely taking the piss and angling for his payout. Silence him and put him on gardening leave. Unsworth to come in for these games.

Ideas for protests have been circulated in the past and haven't been particularly well observed.

The big difference here though is that recent past managers have divided the fanbase. I really can't believe after these comments anybody can still think Allardyce is the man for Everton. The football was enough to turn me off months ago but many believed his tuurgid style was a means to an end.

Moyes, Bobby and Koeman all showed respect towards the fans (behind the scenes things way have been different - courting the Man It's job etc.).

This is on a different level though and this fucker has to go.

Dave Lynch
130 Posted 05/05/2018 at 10:38:48
I am making a protest...

I'm not going to the game... I've been once since the corrupt, classless, narcissistic bung taker was appointed and I ain't going back until he's resigned to the history books.

Colin Glassar
131 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:02:06
Chris “I think the decision has already been made one way or the other” Gould, don’t fall off that fence mate.
Brian Williams
132 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:12:29
Oh Col that's soooo unfair.
You obviously don't realize that European football next season is not out of our grasp just yet.
If we beat Southampton and West Ham, scoring 14 goals without reply in the process, and Burnley lose both their games by a single goal then we'll finish seventh and qualify for the Europa league.
Cancel the walkout and get behind Sam, cheer the lads on for the 14 goals required.
C'mon we can DO this!!
Dennis Stevens
133 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:12:48
If Allardyce truly has capture hearts & minds, it's about time he stopped torturing them & released them from captivity!
Peter Lee
134 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:22:49
Cards on the table, and I have said it before, IF Allardyce was to be sacked ( and I wouldn't sack him, see later) he should have been once we reached 38 points. If that had been the board's intention they should have had a replacement lined up.

The potential replacements touted on here are, to say the least, uninspiring and give me no hope never mind expectation, of better.

At his press conference he himself alluded to why a sacking now would be mad. The World Cup and the August 9 window closure would make it massively difficult for a newcomer to get to grips with the current squad, identify needs going forward and to embed a tactical approach.

Hopefully we can win the last two games, at least remain unbeaten, and the team can start on the basis of a nine match unbeaten run. That gives confidence that we can stay in and win games, a confidence that went west after the Atalanta away game. It has taken a long time to see that back on the pitch.

Changing managers regularly hasn't worked anywhere else, (maybe Watford) and stability is the first essential.

Many on here were forecasting at the beginning of the season that 7/8 was where we would finish, given the squad. In his answer, to a long question that I couldn't make out and nobody else has been able to share, I asked very early on in the thread, Allardyce answered two questions. Chris Gould was right. One was about what could have been achieved with the squad, the other was about next year and he mentioned recruitment.

Both answers were realistic unlike much of what is on here.

Two final points.

I have never left a game early voluntarily. I never will. I support the club and wish the players well as long as they do their best however limited that might be.

Finally, Brian Williams, who do you think you are to call me a "mediocre supporter?" How dare you insult me because I choose to disagree with your views.

I watched my first game, aged 9, fifty-five years ago. I got my first season ticket three years later. I have watched Everton all over this country and, since retiring, abroad.

I don't know how old you are but I have watched more dross at a lower level than the current team's efforts for more years than I care to remember but I still renew my season ticket.

Regarding knowing the game, I played until I was fifty-five, injury stopped that, I have an FA coaching qual and I coached schoolboy football for years.

Enjoy your early journey home tonight. You deserve it. Twelve more minutes for you to give your head a good disk before you go to bed. Don't catch cold.

Dennis Stevens
135 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:37:41
I see Allardyce's position as Everton manager is about as unifying as the proposed relocation to Kirkby! I dread to think what another season or more with him in place might bring.
Si Cooper
136 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:41:54
Thanks Tony Abrahams for the offer, but I’d already made a commitment for the early afternoon and it’s a 4 hour drive (at best) back up North. Just have to hope my joining in with the protest will resonate with the locals instead.
Chris Gould, either way you take it it is damning in my opinion. We have a four point cushion over Leicester, 7 over the Barcodes, and are playing two struggling clubs to finish the season. Have you had a look at their remaining fixtures? Quite frankly, if either (both) overhaul us they will have deserved it and exposed the notion that the top 6 are an unreachable class apart as a lie at the same time. Finishing lower than 8th this season would also show that he hasn’t even steadied the boat or consistently improved things as he has claimed.
So if the ambition for 8th is for next season (as I interpret it) and it’s dependent on improving the squad in a way that may be beyond the capabilities of the club, then he is effectively writing off all of our emerging talent. In fact, even with the preseason he craves, this squad would actually have to start to play worse again. Don’t forget, we are a couple of decent performances away from securing eighth place after an absolutely terrible start to the season.
I don’t want pure bullshit from the manager but I would hope for a more bullish attitude. As others have said, he is lowering expectations (and toeing the media line) and not simply being realistic. For a man who bigs up his own limited abilities it is nigh on criminal that he is not prepared to say that if this group of players played to their true ability for a whole season, and some of the youngsters made reasonable progress in line with growing maturity, then he would expect them to overtake Burnley and be breathing down the neck of any of the top six who were having a poor season because, according to him and his media mates, he’s already improved the team to nearly that level.
Colin Glassar
137 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:42:16
Bri, if I put a fiver on that happening what odds do you think I’d get?
Brian Williams
138 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:42:49
Peter, doesn't matter how old I am just as you having a coaching qualification doesn't matter either.
I actually got paid for playing football. Does that mean anything?
No it doesn't.
I didn't say YOU are a mediocre supporter because you disagree with me. Read the "overwhelming groundswell" of opinion on here and that should throw some light on it for you.
You'll stay 'til the end? Good on you mate. Does that make YOU a better supporter than me? That's not what it's about though is it?

In my mind it makes you someone who is happy with our lot OR maybe someone who isn't BUT isn't prepared to do anything about it.

If you're happy with our lot then I respect you and your stance.

Lastly if you feel I have personally insulted you then I wholeheartedly apologize because that wasn't my intention.

Brian Williams
139 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:47:30
Col. Send me the fiver and I'll give you 10,000,000 to 1 and you can take my Mrs if the bet comes in.

I know I know what's in it for me??????

Anyway Col I'm off before I fall out with anyone else on here.

Brian Harrison
140 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:50:18
Anybody else slightly concerned with Jags and Rooney and now Gana coming out in the press saying things are improving and so is their confidence. This smacks of an orchestrated move to get some gullible fans onside. Well the good thing is the last home game has arrived, so last walk up City road. I just hope the start of next season I am walking to the ground with some belief and expectation, and that can only mean Allardyce has gone. Even the awful managers we have had over the decades non was disliked as much as Allardyce. I still cant believe we ever appointed him, I hope that the board realize that with so much animosity between the fans and the manager no good will come of it.
Tony Marsh
141 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:55:24
What do the Lynch mob think will happen if the board sack Allardyce at the end of the season? There are only the Krankies and the Chuckle Brothers left who have not turned us down for the manager's role here. Allardyce, although not pretty, has put down some foundations and a solidity that we were sorely lacking before he arrived. In November, we could only dream... if not beg for an 8th-place finish.

This hounding of a man who has helped the club through a difficult time shows a lack of gratitude, a lack of respect, and a lack of class towards the manager. In which other reality would a guy be sacked after rescuing a club with only one transfer window to help his cause?? I can't believe this shit...

This proposed walkout is disgusting and counter-productive. You lot put up with Moyes for an eternity without a murmour but, on this issue, you all feel as if you have the moral high ground because Sam Allardyce was sacked from the England job. That is the truth here, isn't it? Forget fancy football whilst we were in a dogfight for survival and fighting. That's what we've done under Allardyce.

I want no part of your foolishness you are just giving the other lot across the park more ammunition to fire. This walkout that will no doubt fall flat on its face is causing shame and embarrassment on the club. You Zealots are doing far more damage here than Allardyce.

I think any reasonable fan group would give a manager as the least 12 months in a job if he takes that job on in mid-season with an awful squad he inherited.

Please don't bore me with the "under Allardyce, we rolled over against the big boys" nonsense as we have been doing that since Joe Royle left
the club. What a shithouse trick it is sacking a manager who has rescued your season. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. I'm ashamed for you.

Andy Meighan
142 Posted 05/05/2018 at 11:57:48
The whole ground could empty on 78 minutes It won't matter to Kenwright and Moshiri, all we are to them is punters. Let's say for arguments sake Allardyce was to be sacked in the next couple of weeks Would anyone on here or any Evertonian trust these two to get the next managerial appointment right?

I'm sorry but we just aren't a draw for any ambitious manager . You get the manager you deserve and we've got him. Sad I know but true.

By the way the football that's being served up I'll be lucky to still be there on 78 minutes.
Colin Glassar
143 Posted 05/05/2018 at 12:01:53
Send us a picture Bri and her health and dental records first.👍
Derek Thomas
144 Posted 05/05/2018 at 12:14:05
Hearts and minds eh?...part of a catchy slogan, but remember the full slogan...'grab em by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow' it really worked back in Vietnam didn't it.

Trouble is, although Alladyce DOES have Moshiri by the balls, he doesn't have my heart or mind, nor many others In hope.

In what is shaping up to be a right, if short, dogs breakfast of a close season, I also hope that Moshiri doesn't pick the first bus that comes along, just because it seems to be going in the general direction...local arl arse alert. We need the 500, not the 68...though as a longtime traveller on the 46, that in the middle golilocks option got you there

Over to you Mosh.

Brian Wilkinson
145 Posted 05/05/2018 at 12:31:00
Peter@134, I admire your loyalty, I do not think for one minute the other Brian was having a go at you as a fellow Evertonian, every fan has his right to do what he decides is right.frustration comes across sometimes as another fan having a pop at the poster, when instead it’s frustration and putting the view across at the problem within the team and manager, I am sure the other Brian was not having a go at you.

I am sure plenty others on here, myself included have never left a game early.

What this is about is a survey being ignored, Sam sticking an imaginary two fingers up at the loyal away supporters who dare to vent their frustration, a manager who is happy to set 8th as a target next season, who insisted playing Williams until his three match ban finally got him out of the team, who insisted on playing Southampton’s third choice right back as our left back, who has completely ignored Banigame, dropping him to the bench, insists on playing Calvert Lewin as a winger, starved Tosun of any support, is happy to defend against Swansea and hold out for a draw by putting an extra defender on.

This is not the manager I want in charge of our club next season.

If the survey has been ignored based on season ticket sales, something has to be done to get the message across to the board.

Walking out on 78 minutes is hopefully as you say, to finally have a voice on some of the dross you have witnessed over the 50 odd years instead of accepting it.

It is time to make a stand as supporters, these same fans will still be here, sat next to you, walking side by side outside the ground with you, long after these, players, managers, board have departed, might not be yourself or myself, but a ready made generation of our families, sons, daughters, grand children, all following in our football steps.

I have had enough of some of the dross over the years, but not anymore, I will be walking out on 78 minutes, those with me that’s great, those wishing to stay is your choice and no fellow fan should have a go should fans wising to remain.

All those attending today, do what you believe is right and follow your own conscience and not other people’s perceptions.

Steve Ferns
146 Posted 05/05/2018 at 12:31:09
Peter @134,

I am sure no blue wanted to offend you. If anyone did, please understand it is our frustrations boiling over. We all want Everton to be number 1. We claim to be the 4th most successful club, but we are slipping down the list now, in terms of trophies won, and in terms of League titles, Man City and Chelsea are closing in on us fast. We are in danger of becoming Sunderland or even Newcastle if we don't sort this out.

Getting the ground will be a significant step towards addressing this. Bayern were not even the biggest club in Munich until after the Munich Olympics when they were handed a massive stadium, doubled their attendance and quickly became the powerhouse club we now know them to be. So I can understand your desire to maintain our Premier League Status.

You are a qualified coach. No doubt you take a keen interest in the coaching side of Everton. I for one always try to get others on here to understand the day to day aspects of the manager. It’s all well and good calling for a trophy laden manager to come in and sort us out. How exactly would he do it? What are his strengths? What are his weaknesses? How does this fit in with our squad, our youth system, and our financial power?

Sam Allardyce, as you will know more than anyone, does little to no coaching. He, like Koeman before him, stands on the sidelines and watches. He has brought in some top level coaches, namely Craig Shakespeare, who he worked with at England and we all know he played a part in Leicester winning the league. A year ago, he had an unblemished record as a coach, but since he was sacked as manager, the reputation has taken a battering, so much so that he accepts just being a coach now. But he’s the man for the day to day stuff, just as Erwin Koeman was for his brother.

Allardyce laid out his training blueprint for all to see before he took the job. He wanted to coach a drilled back four. He’s done that, fair play to him. I would even go so far as to say that right now it looks as well drilled as it has for a long time. It’s not the best defence we’ve had, but it is well drilled.

Next he wanted to coach forward passing, that’s the ball going forwards immediately in transition into the opponents half. In other words, win it and hoof it. No doubt he does drills for this.

Then his attacking coaching. Allardyce famously said, he doesn’t bother with coaching the final third, he “let’s the players figure that out for themselves”. I mean what the …? So he neglects the most important aspect of the game, scoring goals. I wonder what kind of effect that might have on the side, oh wait, we’re 19th in all of the attacking stats!

Now, Peter, being a coach you’ll have watched coaching videos on other managers. The coaches favourite coach is Marcelo “El Loco” Bielsa. He is the man who started all this high pressing obsession. You’ll know that his disciples include Pep Guardiola, Mauricio Pochettino and Jorge Sampiaoli, amongst others. Ralf Ragnerick was heavily influenced to and introduced gegenpressing to the German game which was then copied by Klopp. No doubt you’ll love to watch Bielsa’s videos (there’s whole 2 hour sessions from his time in Bilbao out there for all to see). Bielsa drills his players in attacking movement. They have 3 or 4 set runs to make. Those “spontaneous” runs his players make when they win the ball high up the pitch are not spontaneous at all. Neither is the “spontaneous play” of Man City. It is all heavily drilled from running plays after plays after plays. The drills change from game to game. Michael Keane is slow on the turn? Let’s run drills to isolate and turn him. This is the clever devastating attacking coaching that has made Man City the best team we may have ever seen in the Premier League.

Peter, I bet you’ve watched Marco Silva’s coaching sessions too. You’ll have seen the videos still on the Hull website, which give glimpses of him in action. Not him walking slowly about the pitch looking at his feet like Allardyce or of Erwin Koeman whistle in hand as Ronald watches on, no he’s in the middle stopping it, waving his hands furious and demonstrating what he wants doing. Video after video shows him getting stuck in and educating the players. There’s a few videos at Watford too. They’re on the Watford website and youtube channel. There’s also a load of videos on the Olympiciaos channel as well. These ones are longer. You can see him running attacking drills and coaching movement and still he’s in the middle of the players, pointing, shouting, gesticulating and demonstrating.

There’s a reason there’s a long list of players grateful to Silva for improving them as players, and the list spans Sporting, Olympiciaos, Estoril, Hull and Watford. He’s a top coach. One of the best in the world.

Surely this is the man we want to come in and get to grips with this side? To make us a better side. To have that balance between attack and defence? To develop the players. To work with what he has.

Peter, you may have watched other manager’s or coaches at work. I have had an interest in Silva ever since he became Sporting manager, and so I followed his career closely. I love to watch great coaches at work and learn a thing or too. I wish there was more videos of Johan Cruyff at work.

Surely, Peter, you know as a coach that Allardyce is not right for Everton, that he has to go, and we need a world class coach like Marco Silva to fix things and take us to the next level, and that by appointing him, it may be a gamble, but he is not going to send us down, and maybe, just maybe, he will defy the odds with his outstanding coaching and land us a trophy or two, and even, perhaps the League title.


Max Murphy
147 Posted 05/05/2018 at 13:26:41
Dave (#130), Stop being so effing sanctimonious.
Of course there's corruption in the game, and not just the occasional "bung".

It is on a much bigger scale, and the means by which these practices remain undetected, become more and more sophisticated every day.

Even our own club were tainted with the Tony Kay and Peter Swan betting scandal. But you're probably too young to remember that.
Jack Convery
148 Posted 05/05/2018 at 14:47:33
Fake Views ! Fake Views. Total Egomaniac who is being over indulged by this board. Bored and Board that's the issue. Shite football, crap tactics. Grass Pass. In the Air I Despair. Please pick up your coat and go today. Walkout on 78' FFS. If not your like all the tories who keep backing May - deserving of all you get. COYBs !!!!!
Steve Ferns
149 Posted 05/05/2018 at 22:44:50
Well the mass walkout was more like a steady stream leaving early. The lap of "honour" was witnessed by Stewards alone. The crowd sang to let him know what they wanted him to do (eff off!) and his team got booed off at half time and full time.

Yes Sam, you've really captured hearts and minds. Yes it is a small minority. Keep dreaming lad. This was your chance at the big time and you showed you aren't up to it with your small club tactics and relegation battling football when we're 8th in the league.

David Johnson
150 Posted 06/05/2018 at 10:01:25
It's interesting that Silva hasn't really been linked with anyone else.

Would anybody consider Buvac?

Keith Harrison
151 Posted 06/05/2018 at 10:02:26
Thanks to everyone who joined the walkout. From watching the end of the game in the Winslow, the ground looked half empty before injury time.
Considering this was only thought of the week before last, and that neither Rob nor myself are facebook or twitter users, it shows that most match going supporters are fed up with the running of the club, and the manager and his acolytes.

Tony Marsh, I defended your right to post on here some years ago, even though we basically never agreed. However, you called all opposing viewers to yours Kopites on the live forum last Saturday. Now we appear to be embarrassing shitehouse zealots.

If you have a valid point to make, it would be preferable if you left out all the invictive, and act in the hopefully dignified manner we did yesterday.

People might actually agree with some of your stuff then.

John Boswell
152 Posted 06/05/2018 at 20:03:45
Our manager refers to football as an entertainment occupation and believes that he has succeeded with the home form. The results have ensured that Everton remains a member of the. PREMIER LEAGUE which is vital to the plans for a new stadium, but the performances have been uninspiring not entertaining.
Our major shareholder is an accountant and most probably risk averse. If and it's a big if, he is only after generating profit on his shares by enabling the construction of a great new ground for the club then expect Mr. Allardyce to be in charge for next season (and beyond).
The managers with big reputations will not come to Everton because we do not offer European football, it's not all about money for them.
The unproven managers (how is that measured?) MAY lead us down the table and into danger of relegation, look at how well Koeman did at the beginning of this season.
So, will mr. Moshiri stick or twist? I fear the worst. For me the choice is Silva, time will tell.
I know what I want for my beloved Everton, I want a spanking new ground on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey,
I want exciting, entertaining and winning football, I want a CEO who will bring the club up to standard for this century and the premiership competion, I want silverware, we need fresh current history.I sound like a spoiled child compiling a list for my birthday, sorry. Somehow I feel that a great many blues share my wants, COYB.

Andy Crooks
153 Posted 06/05/2018 at 20:54:58
Keith, good post. Don't waste your breath on Tony Marsh. He staked what reputation he has on his beloved" fireman Sam", sadly for him he is destined to support him no matter what.
Brian Williams
154 Posted 06/05/2018 at 21:07:45
Keith. Like you I don't do Facebook or Twitter but I know people who do and the protest was well circulated on the two social media sites. I made sure of that.
I also made sure people of "influence" at the club were made aware of it.
It may not have been the mass walkout we wanted on 78 but believe me the club are well aware of our feelings.

Brian Porter
155 Posted 07/05/2018 at 06:45:10
My greatest fear, should Allardyce be eptvon, can be summed up by his treatment of one player and the way that bodes for the potential future under his leadership. That player is Ademola Lookman. What future, if any, would he or any similar attack-minded players have under Sam (send him to Derby) Allardyce? None, I think. Yet here we have a player who for me, sums up Allardyce's unsuitability for the job. Lookman is a true 'Everton style player' but Allardyce seems not to like him.

Yet we have a CL team, RB Leipzig, who apparently want to sign him on a permanent deal while Allardyce perseveres with the ineffective Bolasie. Since his loan to Leipzig, Lookman has out-performed Bolasie in virtually every statistical category. Remember when Allardyce was asked why Bolasie was being given g the time ahead of Lookman and his replyn was along the lines of "Because he cost a lot more." Great management eh?Expect all our potential future style and flair players to leave if Allardyce remains and then imagine what next season could bring. Relegation struggle anyone? Allardyce out!

Keith Harrison
158 Posted 07/05/2018 at 09:11:49
Amongst those many supporters I spoke to on Saturday was one in particular who told me Sam has gone.
This wasn't from the usual mate of a mate who knows etc, it was from our chairman, who he also said advised Moshiri not to bring Allardyce near the club.
The latter has been told to me before - which I posted on ToffeeWeb - by a friend of mine, so personally I think, and fervently hope, that it's true.
It won't solve all the clubs' ills, however, and the way Mohiri solves that will be a mark of the man.
Brian Williams
159 Posted 07/05/2018 at 09:20:14

Our chairman?

As in Bill Kenwright?

Forgive me appearing stupid but it's just so "out of the blue" good news that it's hard to believe.

Dave Abrahams
160 Posted 07/05/2018 at 09:22:44
Keith (158, did he mention anything about Kenwright, who has been offering the wrong diagnosis and medicine to our, now dieing club, for the last twenty years or more.
Brian Williams
161 Posted 07/05/2018 at 09:40:08
Dave. It was Bill Kenwright he was talking about mate, our chairman?
Keith Harrison
163 Posted 07/05/2018 at 10:02:25
It came from Bill Kenwright.
Who also needs to leave asap and a football man put in place, not a teary fan.
Brian Williams
164 Posted 07/05/2018 at 10:06:44
Great news Keith, great news!
Martin Nicholls
165 Posted 07/05/2018 at 10:27:42
Max Murphy#147 - how exactly were we "tainted with the Tony Kay and Peter Swan betting scandal"? Swan had no connection whatsoever with our Club and TK signed for us after the "offences", about which we had no knowledge, took place. By contrast, Allardyce's "indiscretions" were well known and documented prior to his association with us - appointing this odious man does taint us and will forever remain an indelible stain on our Club.
Anthony Murphy
166 Posted 07/05/2018 at 10:30:43
Fantastic news if true Keith. Whatever our thoughts are on Kenwright - and I make no apologies for him whatsoever - he must be bemused at Moshiri’s decision making and media naivety. God help us if Moshiri is left to make the next call without some support and thorough research first
Phil Sammon
167 Posted 07/05/2018 at 10:39:06
If Kenwright says he’s gone, then I’m even more convinced Allardyce will be in the dugout come August.
Paul Tran
168 Posted 07/05/2018 at 12:09:10
Am I right in thinking rhat when Moshiri took over, there was a two year agreement that Kenwright stays as Chairman?
Brian Williams
169 Posted 07/05/2018 at 12:25:45
That's correct mate. Bill will "allegedly" step down in August.
Paul Tran
170 Posted 07/05/2018 at 12:32:45
Thanks Brian. Hopefully by then we'll have a robust CEO in place and Bill will be sidelined in an honorary/ambassadorial role.
Dave Abrahams
171 Posted 07/05/2018 at 12:52:31
Brian,(161) yes I wasn'mt sure if Keith meant Kenwright or a mate of Kenwright's, I hope he told him what he said in post (163)
Shane Corcoran
172 Posted 07/05/2018 at 12:54:28
For absolute clarity Keith, are you telling us that Bill Kenwright told you on Saturday that Allardyce is gone?
Keith Harrison
173 Posted 07/05/2018 at 13:26:30
This what I typed:-

Amongst those many supporters I spoke to on Saturday was one in particular who told me Sam has gone.
This wasn't from the usual mate of a mate who knows etc, it was from our chairman, who he also said advised Moshiri not to bring Allardyce near the club.

i.e. I was told by a fellow supporter, who had been told by BK himself. He is a friend of BK's, not a friend of a friend etc etc.

The next week will tell, as I personally would not be surprised if SA has gone before Sunday - I expect him getting a torrid time from ours and WHU supporters if he is there. I also think his "the supporters should give the players credit etc" is the latest in a long line of him winding the fans up.
The Daily Mirror today reports that Moshiri should know how the fans feel after 20,000 of them had walked without giving the players applause on the lap of honour.
I think that figure is a bit conservative myself.

In the mirror last week, it said Kenwrights tenure as Chairman was only until August this year as part of the share sale agreement.

From a totally different source, I understand our Wayne will receive a £5million bonus payment on top of his £150k wges at the end of the season.

Interesting times.

Shane Corcoran
174 Posted 07/05/2018 at 14:14:26
Surely Wayne will plough that money back into his boyhood club and shed a tear, for the right reasons, when doing so?

Definition of bonus -"a sum of money added to a person's wages as a reward for good performance".


Keith Harrison
175 Posted 07/05/2018 at 14:25:42
If he's such a Blue, Shane, he'd pay Sams contract up himself.
Barry McNally
176 Posted 07/05/2018 at 14:30:03
Let's hope they have learned from their mistakes with recent payouts and pay compo over the remainder of his contract.
Dave Abrahams
177 Posted 08/05/2018 at 12:32:06
Keith (173), It's interesting that Kenwright said he advised Moshiri not to bring Allardyce anywhere near our club, maybe he did and maybe he didn't, he's got form for telling porkies, plenty and plenty of form.
Brian Williams
178 Posted 08/05/2018 at 12:39:58
Allardyce on Talksport now. Cringeworthy from the presenters. Usual BS from Allardyce.
Bob Mills being a complete cock!
Darren Hind
179 Posted 08/05/2018 at 12:47:54
Stomach churning sycophancy from Talk Sport presenters

Gobshites acting in disbelief to actions and complaints from the anti Allardyce "section" of the fans base.

If you are not listening don't bother, it's spoil your day. I had to switch off

Paul Tran
180 Posted 08/05/2018 at 13:04:40
Find it diificult to stomach TalkShite at any time, Darren.

Really sad that it has become normal for pundits to demand acceptance of a lack of ambition and entertainment in a competitive branch of the entertainment business.

This game will eat itself if it isn't careful.

Martin Nicholls
181 Posted 08/05/2018 at 13:08:42
I've often wondered why, after shaming the post of National Team Manager, Allardyce retains so much support in the National media. Contrast this to the way Don Revie was crucified by the same media when he, in their collective view, also shamed that post by resigning it (not being sacked) in 1977 to manage UAE. Anyone got any thoughts?
Brian Williams
182 Posted 08/05/2018 at 13:35:16
I switched off as well. Fucking livid, especially at that Bob Mills. What a complete sycophantic arse licker!
Paul Tran
183 Posted 08/05/2018 at 13:39:57
My guess, Martin, is that he's been around the game for so long that the older journalists/ex-player pundits will know him very well. He may be really good company and good for a quote/story.

I also think that many football journalists will be embarrassed at the way he was set up by a tabloid and then shafted by the FA.

Keith Harrison
184 Posted 08/05/2018 at 23:16:03
If there is a better football journalist than Lyndon at the moment, I'd like someone to let me know who. His writing this season has transcended into the stratosphere. Every submission seems a piece of excellence.

Take a bow Sir.

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