Pickford a hero on penalties in Moscow

Tuesday, 3 July, 2018 146comments  |  Jump to last
Colombia 1 - 1 England [3-4 on pens]
Jordan Pickford made a vital save for England in a tense penalty shoot-out victory after their Round of 16 clash with Colombia ended all square after extra time.

The Everton goalkeeper silenced his critics with a superb save to set Eric Dier up to nail the winner in a typically dramatic shootout.

Pickford was selected by Gareth Southgate for the fourth match of the tournament and he had a quiet first half in what was an increasingly testy match.

He was really only tested once when he had to gather a strong Quintero effort from just outside the box late in the first period.

England, meanwhile, had enjoyed the better of the opening exchanges without really carving out a clear opportunity.

In the second half, the game turned into an even more fractious affair, with referee Mark Geiger reaching for his yellow cards on a number of occasions.

One such instance was when Carlos Sanchez hauled Harry Kane down in the box and after a lengthy delay, the Tottenham striker buried his spot kick past David Ospina.

Colombia eventually tried to exert some pressure but their best chance came from a Kyle Walker error. The defender was robbed just inside his own half but Juan Cuadrado wasted the resulting chance when he sliced high and wide of Pickford's goal.

A few minutes later, Radamel Falcao had a shot from 20 yards but it was easily gathered by the Blues 'keeper.

England were trying to see out five minutes of stoppage time, though, when they conceded from a set piece. Pickford produced a quite unbelievable flying, fingertip save to deny Uribe but Mina rose highest at the subsequent corner and Kieran Trippier couldn't keep his downward out at the far post.

That forced extra time in which a shell-shocked England were under more pressure from Colombia without Pickford being unduly tested in the first of the 15-minute halves.

Jamie Vardy had two chances early in the second period, the first flagged for offside was a powerful drive straight at Ospina; the second effort was blocked by the covering defender.

Substitute Danny Rose then stole in on the overlap to collect a pass but his shot across goal just skidded past the post before Eric Dier planted a free header disappointingly over the bar.

Both teams were perfect from 12 yards for their first two penalties but while Muriel sent Pickford the wrong way for his kick, Jordan Henderson telegraphed his penalty and Ospina pushed it away.

Uribe, however, belted his against the crossbar giving Trippier the chance to put England back into it which he did to make it 3-3.

Carlos Bacca stepped up and Pickford denied him superbly with a strong left hand and Dier won it for the Three Lions.

Gareth Southgate's team now face Sweden in the quarterfinals on Saturday.  

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Jim Bennings
1 Posted 03/07/2018 at 20:36:57
Colombia beating themselves more interested in dark arts than playing their own game which is just strange given the way they played against Poland.

We missed a trick not getting Harry Maguire last summer, to think we got cargo ship Keane instead, the lad Maguire is immense.

Andy Finigan
2 Posted 03/07/2018 at 21:30:32
This Is just like watching Everton, fingernails and all that...
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
3 Posted 03/07/2018 at 21:54:27
Jordan — you hero! After the Liverpool player missed.
Bob Hannigan
4 Posted 03/07/2018 at 21:57:37
Great job, Jordan!! 😉
Tom Bowers
5 Posted 03/07/2018 at 21:58:44
One Jordan, a jerk has his blushes spared by our Jordan a hero.

However, this England team has to have changes for the Sweden game.

Sue Brown
6 Posted 03/07/2018 at 21:59:25
Well done, Jordan!! Done us proud there, lad!
James Flynn
7 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:01:30
Made my wife watch the last 30-minutes plus. She now knows who Jordan is.
James Stewart
8 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:01:48
Spot on, Jim, whoever scouted Keane over Maguire is a total clown.

Quality from Pickford but I'm already worried he won't be here much longer. Bigger fish will be already circling.

Rick Pattinson
9 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:02:24
Well done, Jordan. Slap a £100 mill tag on the lad.
Graham Coldron
10 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:02:59
Watched the game in Malaga on holiday. I'm full of tapas and paella.

Well done, Jordan, lad!

John Harrop
11 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:03:56
From the Mirror:

England could be saved by a Pope in a penalty shoot-out on Tuesday night as Gareth Southgate ponders a daring tactical switch of keepers.

The junk we get from the tabloids!

Brent Stephens
13 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:05:54
Great save. And great penalty by Dier — pressure to take what was to be a winning pen.
Jon Bentley
14 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:08:40
Brent Stephens
15 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:10:03
I wonder if anybody who couldn't give a toss about England in this World Cup has been watching at all?
Brian Hennessy
16 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:12:23
As an Irish Toffee, I want to congratulate all England fans – a well-deserved victory.

Liam Brady on commentary described Pickford's save near the end of normal time as "one of the best saves I have ever seen, up there with Gordon Banks."

It's interesting to see a somewhat different attitude to this English team from many people in Ireland this time round. There is a general feeling from a lot of people that they would like to see England doing well.

Maybe it's down to a more realistic, less cocky attitude from the British media.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
17 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:14:41
What I didn't understand was why Vardy was not one of the takers.

11 out of 13 in his career and 6 this season.

Brent Stephens
18 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:16:22
Phil, somebody on Live Forum seemed to intimate that Vardy bottled it. Not sure.
Ian Bennett
19 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:18:49
Absolute top save in the 90. And real strong hand to save it. Thrilled for Jordan to be the 'good' guy. And fuck off Gary Neville and Lee Dixon.
John Pierce
20 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:19:27
Pickford's save in the last minute on my twitter feed. Out of this world.

John Pierce
21 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:21:37
Plenty of catharsis for Southgate, handles everything very well.
Dennis Stevens
22 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:22:15
Aye, Phil, I always expect strikers to be demanding to take pens, goal scoring is their job after all.
Derek Knox
23 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:22:36
Have noticed that with many teams, the forwards are usually reluctant to take pens, leaving it to defenders, not sure why that is.

Anyway, Jordan has done us proud; just hope he stays with us for the long term!

Darren Hind
24 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:24:38
Fucking bottle merchants, Derek.
Jim Bennings
25 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:25:07
Southgate for me has the making of being a very very good manager, still young enough to take over a club side and do really well in the future.

He’s a grounded, intelligent articulate man and seems quite tactically astute.

Tony Abrahams
26 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:25:22
I have been watching the games on RTE, Brian, so I don't have to listen to some of the shite getting spouted in the English studios.

That was some save off Pickford, and hopefully this England team will have learned something about themselves, the way they had to dig in.

They were shell-shocked for the first period of extra-time, but stayed in the game to regain their composure, which was lost when Southgate made his first real mistake of this tournament imo by bringing on Dier instead of just going for a second goal.

That said, I'm made up for many of the England players, who have been refreshing and honest, and are just one top midfielder away from being a fantastic side!

Jeff Armstrong
27 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:25:44
Die, formerly of this parish too... sort of.
Andy Williams
28 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:26:11
Cheers for that, John.
Lawrence Green
30 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:29:28
Many people say there is no agenda against Everton players but this tweet from Anchorwoman - I said Anchor - Jacqui Oatley takes the biscuit.

‏Verified account @JacquiOatley

When Ryan Giggs and I were watching at pitch level just before the equaliser, it looked as though the strike was going wide when Pickford made the save. Did it not look like that on replays?

If he should have left it and gone for goal kick, there wouldn't have been an equaliser! Just wondering!

Colin Glassar
31 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:29:55
Jordan saves Jordan’s blushes.
Jamie Crowley
32 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:36:07
Lawrence @30,

That's seriously absurd! That actually pisses me off.

Simon Smith
33 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:37:28
Anyone that's not getting into this World Cup can't class themselves as a football fan.

Great to see our Jordan save their Jordan. Everyone I was with (all neutrals when it comes to our thing) said Henderson was going to miss!

So pleased for Pickford.

What a dirty bunch of bastards the Colombians were! They deserved what they got!

Can we start to believe????

Mike Keating
34 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:37:38
"Pleased for Pickford after the stick he got for the saves he made in the last game," says Ryan Giggs on ITV.

Amazed these knobs get a career in telly just because they played the game but more pleased that our midget keeper turned out to be a national hero; eat your heart out, Courtwat.

Amit Vithlani
35 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:37:41
Pleased as punch for Pickford. He has taken stick and his stature called into question but he puffed his chest out and did the business.

His post match interview was hilarious. He appeared to be bursting with excitement and was struggling to contain himself.

Well done, lad!

Mike Keating
36 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:42:09
Agree Amit – he seemed far more interested in what was going on off camera than answering the questions. Brilliant.

I hope we get to keep him for a very long time.

Antony Matthews
38 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:45:27
I can hear the chant now:

"England's, England's Number One, England's Number One!!!"

Jamie Crowley
39 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:45:39
Just YouTube'd Jordan's post-match interview.

Loved how he said he's not the biggest keeper but he has "power and agility" and he states "he's very good at it."

Boy has a humble confidence that is entirely admirable.

Thrilled for him.

Dave Older
40 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:46:53
Glad we sent those dirty Colombians packing. Pickford saved the day. A proud day to be an Everton and England fan. Well done Jordan, well done!!!!
Tony Williams
41 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:47:30
It takes an Evertonian.
Gavin Johnson
42 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:48:38
Thought John Stones might have taken one. He took the perfect pen against Juve albeit under totally different circumstances.

I didn't like Trippier's post-match interview saying that the England players have been going for the same spot in penalty practice. I hope Sweden weren't watching that interview.

What a great night though. Happy for the lads – and Jordan Pickford in particular.

Paul Tran
43 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:58:00
Never been so happy to lose two bets in one night.

Good to see an intelligent manager come good against those neanderthals who seem to mistrust intelligence, thinking and curiosity in football. And possibly life in general.

'Too soft' my arse!

Colombia were dreadful. England played well and again lacked that bit of creative magic in midfield. But we hung in there and won it deservedly.

Tony Sullivan
44 Posted 03/07/2018 at 22:59:47
Jim Bennings (#1),

I agree entirely with your summary, especially about Maguire, what a player.

Steve Ferns
45 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:03:15
The Swedes will be tougher, but at least they play fair. We have got to play our own game and we should win in 90.

But put Rashford in for Sterling, Loftus-Cheek for Alli (clearly not fit), and Rose in for Young.

Brian Williams
46 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:05:23
The save before they scored was an absolutely unbelievable one. Outstanding!
Jim Jennings
47 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:11:53
Steve Ferns (#45),

What's with all this “we” business? Weren't you telling us a few days ago how you can't relate to the England team, the fans, the anthem, the history etc etc.

One shoot-out win and you're on the bandwagon.

Christy Ring
48 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:13:11
The save Pickford made was unreal, and for someone to say it was going wide, asshole, it wasn't, as Brady said it was as good as Banks save against Pele.

Jim Bennings, Maguire was immense? He was beaten in the air by Mina for the goal, and Falcao was upfront on his own for most of the game.

Ian Burns
49 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:19:35
Mike (#36) — he was being called for a dope test which is why he seemed to be more interested in what was going off camera.

What a save at the end of the game and what a penalty save — really pleased for him. We need to bring in Loftus-Cheek for Dele Alli who appears to be unfit to me.

I am surprised at how Trippier has played — brilliant as against Ashley Young, another who needs replacing on Saturday.

Gary Carter
50 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:19:56
With regards to the post at #30 on what that dumb bird tweeted, every man in the studio that had played football, and every England supporter watching that had played football, have said they thought “That's in” the second it left the Colombian's foot, I know I did and so did Neville, Dixon and Wright!
Steve Ferns
51 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:21:34
You obviously don't follow the live forum or the other games, Jim.
Steve Ferns
52 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:23:25
I think Ashley Young has done alright, Ian. But Rose would give more balance by having a left foot, instead of checking back all the time and being unable to hit the byline.
Jay Harris
53 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:27:34
Absolutely made up for Jordan Pickford. After Courtois made a prick of himself yesterday, Jordan's heroics today will be long remembered.

I thought Stones seemed to lose the plot second half but the balance of the England side is all wrong.

Sterling had another game to forget and his positioning takes away from Alli's game..

Trippier and Walker are too similar and Walker is at his best in Trippier's position.

I would drop Walker and Sterling, play Rashford up front with Kane and Alli, and bring Loftus-Cheek into midfield.

We have had the luck of the draw so far and Sweden gives us the perfect opportunity to get through to the next round.

I still think this is one of the worst England teams I have seen in 56 years but luck seems to be on their side.

Jay Wood

54 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:27:39
Steve @ 45 – the Swedes will be tougher than Colombia? How so?

Did you watch their game today? It was a game littered with slow ponderous play, woeful finishing, poor technique and very little guile.

Yes, they finished 2nd to France in their qualifying group, beating an extremely poor Holland to a play-off spot, but only on goal difference.

Yes, they then eliminated an aging Italy in a play-off to qualify for Russia. In Russia, they were beaten by the struggling Germans and beat a plodding Switzerland today.

Yes, they have a lot of big units in their side. Yes, historically over the past 50 years England has an appalling record against Sweden – two wins in 15. But those two wins came in our last 3 meetings with them.

But players of the quality of Colombia they don't have. Nor are they masters of the dark arts as the South Americans displayed today.

Colombia for me was THE major stumbling block in England's path to the final. Croatia is the other team in that side of the draw to be wary of.

But Sweden...? Nah! England has the players and the game to see them off.

Stephen Davies
55 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:31:19
Steve (#45),

Yes, it will be a tough game; Sweden have a real solid defence.

One thing about tonight is that there is a lack of craft and guile in midfield; having Vardy on is almost a waste as there's no-one who regularly plays defence-splitting balls or accurate balls over the top.

I don't think it will be an exciting game.

Martin Berry
56 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:34:08
Fantastic save and God Is An Englishman as he could not allow the cheats to prevail.
Steve Ferns
57 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:39:11
Jay, no. Couldn't see the Sweden game today. I thought Colombia were very poor. England shouldn't have let them back into the game, and were a bit too eager to see the game out and hang on when they really should have tried to hang on to the ball more and let the clock tick down. Perhaps Vardy and Rashford coming on for the last 10 as an outball and Loftus-Cheek to add legs in midfield.

England should beat Sweden easily. There's no question who has the better players, it's just about being the better team. Sweden lack a player like Falcao to be a goal threat and it'll be a battle of set pieces I think, unless we can be a bit more creative in open play (Loftus-Cheek for the unfit and out of form Alli should help).

Paul Birmingham
58 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:43:14
Great result, and for our Jordan Pickford, I'm made up.

Onwards EFC!

Paul Birmingham
59 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:46:16
Made up for our club... Now for some smooth moves by Brands and Silva to offload the deadwood, and sign some good players... C'est la Vie!
Jamie Sweet
60 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:47:09
Thrilled for Pickford, and isn't it great that the hero of the day is a Blue!

Contrary to every social media post I've seen though, I didn't see anything in the game to make me think "it's coming home".

We have a severe lack of genuine cutting edge in the final third.

Alli and Kane are so effective for Spurs as they have an certain Dane behind them with incredible vision. Sterling has De Bruyne and Silva pulling the strings. Players like Eriksen or De Bruyne are what this team is missing before we can dare dream of becoming world beaters.

Lingard, Alli and Sterling are all tricky players, but there appear to be very few brain cells and very little vision between them.

Gordon White
61 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:54:13
Well done, Jordan and the rest of the boys. What a great feeling. And I would like to extend the hand of friendship, when I say good luck against Brazil to Courtwat.

Come on, you England.

Si Cooper
62 Posted 03/07/2018 at 23:55:55
I'm glad we came through and I don't mind Gareth Southgate but I thought a lot of things could have been done better tonight. Although none have been terrible, I've been generally underwhelmed by the overall contributions of Young, Alli, Lingard, and Sterling in particular.

I thought we desperately needed things changing up with 20 minutes to go and Southgate seemed unwilling to make a tactical switch. You could see the momentum draining away by the minute when we should have been able to exploit their increasing desperation and kill the game off.

From what I've seen in the previous games, Loftus-Cheek would have been my pick to put them on the back foot again.

James Hopper
63 Posted 03/07/2018 at 00:00:22

I saw the Sweden game today and saw absolutely nothing to worry England.

Their greatest asset is a tall, strong defence who look very well organised.

We’ve only scored two goals from open play so far and I don’t think our set-pieces will be quite as effective against Sweden.

With all that said, if we want to beat Sweden, I feel we’re going to see a lot more drive and ambition than we’ve seen so far. Quick passes, players making clever runs, getting in-behind. Worryingly, I haven’t seen England do that so far in this World Cup.

At the back I don’t think Sweden can do much to worry us, but if they snatch one from a set piece or decide to play for penalties then they could pose a serious challenge.

I watched Sterling very closely tonight. He lost the ball 11 times in the first half alone. I’m not one of those people who mercilessly slags him off, but he’s not offering the team anything, despite his excellent season for City. I fear he cooked his goose tonight. Rashford didn’t take his chance against Belgium and so I’d replace Sterling with Vardy against Sweden. He’s just got a better footballing brain than Sterling but still offers pace and guile.

Alli also looks a doubt for Saturday. Thigh injury or not, he too has struggled so far but then I don’t think Loftus-Cheek or Delph have been brilliant either. For that reason I’d probably stick with Alli if he’s fit.

Definitely a winnable game on Saturday, but I feel the result will be decided in training and in the tactics board before the match even kicks off. Get it right, and we’ll do it. Get it wrong and Sweden will win by the odd hard-fought goal.

Christine Foster
64 Posted 03/07/2018 at 00:00:24
In the last match, messers Dixon, Neville and Co criticised Jordan Pickford publically and said he was essentially not up to playing at this level. Post match tonight they could not say a word about Pickford, it must be one of television most embarrassing moments such utter shite. The ITV coverage is dreadful.

So pleased for the lad...

Jamie Crowley
65 Posted 03/07/2018 at 00:01:27
England have underestimated Sweden since...,. forever.

The Sweden game will be difficult. To say it'll be easier than a Colombian team who completely forgot to play actual football, and instead decided to concentrate on Mark Geiger for 93 or so minutes, is certifiably insane.

I do think they match up better with Sweden than they do Colombia overall, but today England was given the gift of 11 Colombians losing the plot. So, in the end, I believe the Sweden game will be a more difficult one.

Be wary of English dismissive superiority. It's not your friend. Pray the players don't think that way and look beyond the Swedes!

Buckle down and focus. Colombia should have been arguably the toughest team they'll face on their side of the bracket. It won't work out that way at all because Colombia seriously shit the bed.

All credit to England though, taking nothing away from them.

Steve Ferns
66 Posted 03/07/2018 at 00:04:17
Jamie, I just don't think Alli is fit. But then again, as you say it's Eriksen who makes happen at Spurs and Alli and Kane just finish it off. Henderson can't make things happen, neither can Lingard or Sterling.

I really don't like the formation, but I have always disliked a back 5, so I would say that. There's just too many defenders on the pitch.

I'd like to see Dier sit in front of a back 4, with Loftus-Cheek alongside him, and then an attacking midfield trio of Sterling, Alli, and Lingard. We can then make use of Rashford as an impact sub, and Vardy too. Without Barkley and Wilshere, there's no real creative player in the squad, so we really should be looking to play on the counter and breaking at speed.

But bollocks to all that, Southgate is doing alright so far, so let him do it his way.

Mike Gaynes
68 Posted 03/07/2018 at 00:08:34
Steve (#57), Colombia weren't "very poor", and they didn't get back in the game by cheating, as you blasted on the Forum. They played their asses off without their best player and had England desperate in extra time.

And please no more about the red card that should have been. On another day, Stones could also have gotten one for raking Falcao's face with his studs. Both teams were playing with the same bad ref, and neither he nor so-called cheating was responsible for England's predicament. Fortunately for you, they had Pickford.

But please review England's dives before you accuse anyone else of cheating. Maguire's collapse was positively embarrassing, and Sterling's wasn't much better.

Paul Smith
69 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:12:37
Someone just said, "This is the worst England team they have seen in 56 years but they've had a lucky draw."


Brendan Fox
70 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:13:20
Go on lad! Cracker of a save to make all the difference!
Steve Ferns
71 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:13:55
That's your view, Mike. It was a definite red card. Doesn't matter how forceful the headbutt was, he made contact with the chest and went up to the face. It was violent conduct, he had to go.

And Colombia were very poor for me. Sure, they did play without their best player, but they were far from the levels of 4 years ago. They only stayed in the game by playing the ref not the game. A better ref would have stopped them.

England's dives, you mean Lingard? VAR should be used and players should be given a retrospective yellow card when the ball next goes out of play. That would soon stop it. Lingard was embarrassing in looking for a penalty every time he got into the box rather than trying to take a chance. But that's probably because he lacks top level quality.

Maguire had contact with his foot and clearly waved his finger at the ref whilst running back into position indicating that he was not claiming a penalty, so no, not a dive, he fell over. There is a difference.

Andrew Kennedy
73 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:18:23
In the real world: Everton goalkeeper Jordan Pickford's magnificent penalty save sends England through to the World Cup quarter-final, after Liverpool's Jordan Henderson's woeful penalty attempt was saved.

Press report: England goalkeeper Jordan Pickford a target for both Liverpool and Manchester United, keeps England's World Cup hopes on track after Arsenal's David Ospina makes wondersave!! Lol

Brian Williams
74 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:18:33
Great to go through. Especially with an Evertonian making the difference.

There were a few below par performances though: Alli seems intent on playing with a swagger that belies his actual performance and contribution. Sterling appears to have completely forgotten what to do and Lingard seemed to concentrate more on not getting hurt than doing what he's usually very good at.

When you have three influential players not at anywhere near 100%, you're going to struggle.

Steve Ferns
75 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:18:47
I get them confused, David; country in South America and state in Canada, right? I used to always misspell the country in school. Remember doing a few lines for that once, didn't make the mistake again, so it worked.
Mike Gaynes
76 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:23:15

"They only stayed in the game by playing the ref not the game. A better ref would have stopped them."

Stopped them from what?

Please tell me how you play a ref to stay in the game. I'd like to learn to do that in my league. I'm pretty overmatched in some games.

And please review Stones's act and tell me why that isn't "violent conduct" as you put it. The ref missed two of those, one on each side.

I know you're viewing the game from a partisan perspective, and I understand your passion, but I'm sorry, some of this is a bit silly.

Si Cooper
77 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:25:37
Steve, that is one way of looking at the Maguire incident. Personally, I think he fell over because he anticipated contact that never came. Was he being honest by wagging his finger or just trying to avoid a booking for a dive?

I actually think there was some contact for the Lingard tumble in the second half but he didn't deserve a penalty because he wasn't brave and forceful enough to make the most of the chance anyway.

Steve Ferns
79 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:30:09
Mike, I'm not passionate about England. If the ref thought Stones's actions were deliberate, then send him off. I didn't. You have your opinion, I have mine.

And the ref should have got a grip of the Colombian players who were constantly swarming him by issuing cards. He let them swarm him time after time. He let them get away with murder.

Si, only Maguire knows. The commentator on British TV was adamant Maguire was telling the ref it wasn't a pen, and he was back on his feet quickly and running back into position. I couldn't see any effort by him to appeal for a pen, and the wagging of the finger was clear; what he meant by it, only he can say for certain.

David Israel
80 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:30:10
Steve #75, I had the same problem, and another one: Canada has provinces, not states! :-)
Bill Watson
81 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:42:18
I'm seriously underwhelmed by this England team. Too many donkeys: Walker, Henderson and Alli. Not impressed by Lingard, at all, and Sterling appears to be a little short on brain cells. We have no midfield players who can see a quick pass.

Stones had a mistake in him but tonight he seemed to completely lose the plot in the closing stages.

Having said all that, poor sides can win cups given the luck of the drawer. I remember one club getting to an FA Cup Final without playing a Premier League side!!

Did anyone notice the back-of-the-head butt by the RS player?

John Pierce
82 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:43:40
The continuation of the plan, the attention to detail and discipline edged England past a very robust but ultimately dour Colombia.

Without James, they seemed happy to let England have the ball and offered little going forward. Pickford only called into serious, but sensational action in stoppage time.

They had a couple of spells in both halves were they kept the ball but their first corner came in the 93rd minute.

Lingard/Sterling & Alli all looked off it today. Their movement still very good but their execution beyond that very poor.

Loftus-Cheek has definitely something to offer, he also carries the ball well. I think Alli makes way.

Stones excellent and all three defenders carried the ball out under pressure.

The standout was Kane, ice cold penalty and won numerous free kicks. Led by example.

Nice to be on the other side of a shoot-out. The last comment to Southgate who has handled the circus really well, got the team focused and playing together.

Roll on, Saturday!

Ernie Baywood
83 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:44:19
The Colombians knew they were the underdog and had a clear plan to disrupt the game. All the ref had to do was start throwing yellow cards out – as soon as they got one, they handed the job over to someone else. Until they got booked, they were happy to carry on.

I thought England handled it fairly well. Yes, it ruined the game but most managed to steer clear of the bother and focus on getting a win. Some couldn't help themselves. I thought Harry Kane was a giant... win the ball, keep it, get fouled, say nothing, jog back to position. Hopefully they've learnt a lesson from him in how to react to teams like Colombia.

Thrilled for Jordan. He's a good goalkeeper but more than anything else he's got some character – does anything faze him? I actually felt confident he'd stop one.

Steve Ferns
84 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:44:43
Think it's time for bed David!

Mike: How to play the ref by a ref – obviously scroll down to the on the field bit.

They disrupted the flow of the game, knock England out of their stride. They contested every decision against them, they tried for fouls that weren't there. They were playing to win fouls and set-pieces. They were doing every trick in the book to get themselves back into a game that they couldn't do playing football.

Wimbledon were the masters of it in the old First Division, leaving the old long ball game to one side. I recall a few times Everton were just bullied out of games by Wimbledon when they were clearly the better side.

Si Cooper
85 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:46:52
Bill, he got booked for it because it was more of a retaliatory nudge back on the Colombian defender who was pressing his forehead into the back of his head.
Bill Watson
86 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:51:41
Just off topic but did anyone go to the Roger Waters gig last night?

The Echo reviewed the concert and quoted Waters as saying, "I know Liverpool FC is the best football team in the world."

What he actually said was, "I know Liverpool is the best football city in the world."

Lazy journalism or deliberate misreporting? Who knows? I emailed the journalist and the online article was amended.

Mike Gaynes
87 Posted 04/07/2018 at 00:58:26
Steve, I'm not at all clear on how "swarming" the ref constitutes cheating.

Or how it keeps you in the game.

Or how it affects the outcome – unless he changes his calls, which he clearly didn't.

Some refs issue yellows in those situations, some don't. This ref issued one, to Falcao for his over-the-top protest of Maguire's dive. But I'm also still not clear on how his handling of those situations impacted the game one way or the other.

David Israel
88 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:13:59
Leaving aside all the talk about how dirty the Colombians were, how off-the-pace some of our players looked, how the Swedes might measure up to today's opponents, I can only blurt out: this was a mighty achievement! I was in Italy in 1990, when 'Psycho' missed that penalty! Boy, it has taken almost 30 years to get even with fate!
Jay Wood

89 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:16:09
Mike @ 87.

"I'm also still not clear on how his handling of those situations impacted the game one way or the other."

It took four minutes for the referee to clear the penalty area of protesting Colombian players from the time he gave the spot kick to the time Harry Kane was finally free to score the penalty.

The referee played 5 minutes of injury time as a result, which included making up for the 4 minutes delay before England could take the penalty.

Colombia scored their equaliser in the 93rd minute of the game.

I suggest that kinda 'impacted on the game.'

The American referee was exceedingly weak at different times in the game, none more so when failing to take charge of Colombia's evident gamesmanship in delaying England's penalty and trying to unsettle Kane as much as possible.

I'm guessing on that performance the ref won't be getting any more gigs at the remaining games in this World Cup.

Mike Gaynes
90 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:17:46
Steve (#84), yes they did, all that. And none of it constitutes "cheating"... it's all within the laws and strategy of the game. We've seen it successfully deployed multiple times at this very World Cup as less-talented teams – which Colombia clearly was today without James – defeated favorites. Ask Germany and Spain how well it can work.

Of course they did everything possible to interrupt England's flow. Of course they were playing to win fouls and free kicks. That's what they were supposed to do in that situation. A good team knows how to deal with that.

As for falling down to win free-kicks, both teams were equally guilty of that, and you well know it.

Did you happen to check the author of that article you linked? Not sure you want to cite Graham "Phantom Whistle" Poll to an Evertonian. But I know all that stuff he wrote... I've been a ref for 40 years myself and encountered all of it and more. (I actually got stabbed once by a spectator – a 90-year-old lady with a very sharp umbrella.)

We'll just have to disagree on this one.

David Israel
91 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:24:32
Mike, if you're still able to entertain us with your interesting posts, it's because that 90-year-old lady was not Bulgarian – if you get my drift!
Mike Gaynes
92 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:26:41
Jay (#87), Geiger's just not a top ref, never has been. Supremely knowledgeable, always perfectly positioned, gets all his calls right technically, but has never had any concept of player management. His "let 'em play" permissiveness gets him into trouble even in MLS.

But come on, everybody played the same number of minutes, and the Colombians would have had to be clairvoyant to have foreseen their protest would add on just enough time for their equalizer. Just because B follows A doesn't mean A caused B. Besides, red-carding a Colombian or two would have taken the same amount of time.

Actually I was surprised that only five minutes were added on... expected more. And it's not the ref's fault that England couldn't see out those minutes.

Mike Gaynes
93 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:27:56
You got that right, David – or Sicilian!

Actually she was Portuguese. Much less deadly. I only needed four stitches.

Brendan Woods
94 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:34:01
Steve (#75), I've done a few Colombian lines too but I feel we might be talking about something completely different...

Stoked for Pickers, especially after Henderson's effort, couldn't have scripted that shootout better myself!

Dan Parker
95 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:39:11
Did us proud, I'm absolutely chuffed. Something about this England team that shakes off the old rivalries. Proper team effort; onto the next!
Jay Wood

96 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:44:03
Mike @ 92.

You asked for evidence of " how [the ref's] handling of [certain] situations impacted the game one way or the other."

I gave it to you.

The rest of your post introduces other details completely unrelated to that single point, although in a weird way they kinda contradict your original claim.


Eddie Fazal
97 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:56:02
Jay Harris (#53),

Worst England side you have seen in 56years????? You are kidding aren't you? Don't you remember the dreadful 70s? The ordinary 80s? The pathetic performances from our so called 'world class' players in the 2000s??

This group of players for me are at last performing for each other and playing as a unit. We may lack some quality, but I think Southgate has us playing as one and it's the most positive performance at a major tournament for years. We may not win the World Cup, but this young group can grow from here and we will be much better for this experience.

Southgate needs a lot of credit – I dread to think what we would be saying about England if Big Sam had still been in charge!!

Mike Gaynes
98 Posted 04/07/2018 at 01:57:13
Ah, Jay, no you didn't, no it doesn't and no they don't. But you're welcome to read it that way.

Sleep well.

Frank McGregor
99 Posted 04/07/2018 at 02:56:18
Mike (#68),

Your assessment of Colombia's performance is way off the mark.

Jamie Sweet
100 Posted 04/07/2018 at 03:22:06
If anyone thinks the Colombians aren't cheats, I implore you to find the footage of the player digging up the penalty spot with his boot while all the protesting was going on. He had a right good go at it, I thought he was preparing to plant a tree!

Pretty sure that isn't within the laws and strategy of the game!!!

Jay Harris
101 Posted 04/07/2018 at 04:21:34

I am talking about the way they are set up every bit as much as the lack of quality in individuals. We have played nobody yet apart from Belgium's second string and lost that one.

We seem incapable of creating chances from open play. We have conceded in every game even against the worst side in the competition.

All judgments are relative and based on memory and I know we've had some bad sides historically but, for me, this is the most anaemic side I have seen.

Mike Gaynes
102 Posted 04/07/2018 at 04:22:11
Yeah, Juve did the same thing to Cristiano in the Champions League quarterfinals. And I think it happened to him in a La Liga game as well. Didn't matter, he put 'em away just as neatly as Kane did.

Got a bulletin for you... all footballers are cheats. Every damned one of us. You should have seen the handball I snuck in a couple of weeks ago. Took it down clean, right onto my foot. Thing of beauty.

Bob Parrington
103 Posted 04/07/2018 at 05:24:22
Jamie (#100). Yep, I noticed that, too. Slimey prick, thought I at the time! Red card for bringing the game into disrepute!

Mind you, when it comes to not managing to close-out the game 1 - 0, it just had to be England, didn't it? But no thanks to Henderson and a big thank you to Pickford, to win on penalties is so not England. Great composure by Dier as well. Just maybe the monkey is off the back!

David Ellis
104 Posted 04/07/2018 at 05:27:39
Saw on ESPN that Falcao thinks the ref was totally biased against Columbia! I take the point that Stones may have been in trouble for catching Falcao's head when he stepped over him. The replay convinces me it was accidental – unlike Beckham's "kick" against Argentina in '98 which was pathetic petulance, but deliberate all the same and a red card.

I think the ref got nearly all the calls right. However, he didn't manage the match well. All that being surrounded by the players – I'd just start carding them. To be fair to the ref, if he/she ref destroys the match with too many cards then he gets dropped from future games, so it's hard for them. But once you have a no-nonsense reputation, I think the players would leave you alone. This American ref appears to have a reputation for allowing the talking back – he needs to change that.

In rugby it doesn't happen because the culture is different but also because the ref has more weapons at his disposal that are damaging to the offending team but not as cataclysmic as a red card – ie, penalties, 10 yards, sin bin etc. Football should look into alternative remedies for dissent. Losing 10 yards for arguing too much about a free kick for one (although the Columbians were stealing that kind of yardage anyway).

Mike Gaynes
105 Posted 04/07/2018 at 05:31:03
David, this ref is 43 years old and approaching retirement. He has always been this way. Not going to change now.
Peter Knight
106 Posted 04/07/2018 at 05:32:05
The ref was a disgrace.

Can anyone tell me the height of Gordon Banks compared to Pickford? Courtois has made a lot of mistakes as he can not get down quick enough to save low shots in the corner.

Mark Rankin
107 Posted 04/07/2018 at 05:45:25
England have two world class players and Harry Maguire, John Stones and Trippier have played well, so, have a chance but Klopp has realised that Henderson is not good enough at the very top level. We need to keep Dier on the bench and either the system doesn't get the best out of Alli or he's not fit.
Rob Halligan
108 Posted 04/07/2018 at 06:39:42
Jordan Pickford is contracted to Everton until June 2022. All I will say is that it will need some seriously ridiculous offer if we decide to sell him. We paid £30M for him, so let's just says anything around the £75M for someone not yet the finished article, might tempt the board, before they tell any suitors to do one.
Tony Abrahams
109 Posted 04/07/2018 at 07:30:51
Everyone has their own opinions but, for mine, I would go along with what Eddie@97 wrote.

England lack a bit of quality in an area of the pitch where it is possibly needed the most but they have a great intensity which only the best teams can really live with.

Colombia resorted to the dark arts because it was their best way of staying in the game. WhIlst England lack a bit of quality, their work-rate is not easy to play against unless you have loads of quality yourselves.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
110 Posted 04/07/2018 at 07:43:53
To put into an English League context the quarterfinal draw:

We have the winner of Man Utd v Spurs playing the winner of Burnley v Watford in one semi final and then you have the winner of Bournemouth v Aston Villa playing Rochdale v West Brom in the other

And the final will be in Rochdale. If this was England, we would not be able to contain our excitement.

Darren Hind
111 Posted 04/07/2018 at 07:50:48
Mike (#68, #76 and #87),

Remind me not to play snakes and ladders with you... especially if there's money involved.

Steve Ferns
112 Posted 04/07/2018 at 08:10:03
Mike, every footballer doesn't cheat. I give you Brian “the last of the Corinthians” Labone and William Dean. The latter was never booked and played football to the gentlemanly standards of the day.
Tony Abrahams
113 Posted 04/07/2018 at 08:12:18
It's the 4th of July, Darren, let's wish all the Americanos a very happy day!
Les Green
114 Posted 04/07/2018 at 08:36:28
I've no idea what managers see in Jordan Henderson. His play reminds me of Tom Cleverley. Sideways, sideways, sideways, backwards, sideways, backwards, give it away, put the shits up a corner flag.
Steven Jones
115 Posted 04/07/2018 at 08:37:52
For those not watching this World Cup:

All games are extremely competitive – Sweden will be no different. Anyone can go out to anyone – ask Germany, Portugal or Argentina, let alone Italy and Holland. It will be a tough game.

Second, we lose huge amounts of movement and pace when Sterling is not on the pitch. Rashford and others touted are not in the same league – ask Pep!

How about Belgium v England final?

Steven Jones
116 Posted 04/07/2018 at 08:45:10
Oh, and I am sure someone would have mentioned it but Pickford is taller than Dino Zoff, Clemence, Pat Jennings, Bob Wilson, Shilton and Seaman — and same height as Banks.

At 6ft-1in, he is not small for a goalkeeper and he is plenty agile and powerful. Did anyone mention playing out from the back? Courtois panics and cannot kick a ball!

George McKane
117 Posted 04/07/2018 at 08:51:36
Just for all of our American friends and Contributors — absolutely wonderful when performed by Jimmy Cagney. I also love that scene in The Great Escape when Steve McQueen and the gang share the hooch.

I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy
A Yankee Doodle, do or die
A real live nephew of my uncle Sam's
Born on the Fourth of July
I've got a Yankee Doodle sweetheart
She's my Yankee Doodle joy
Yankee Doodle came to London
Just to ride the ponies
I am a Yankee Doodle boy

I'm the kid that's all the candy
I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy
I'm glad I am
So's Uncle Sam
I'm a real live Yankee Doodle
Made my name and fame and boodle
Just like Mister Doodle did
By riding on a pony
I love to listen to the Dixey strain
"I long to see the girl I left behind me"
And that ain't a josh
She's a Yankee, by gosh
Oh, say can you see
Anything about a Yankee that's a phoney?

I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy
A Yankee Doodle, do or die
A real live nephew of my uncle Sam's
Born on the Fourth of July
I've got a Yankee Doodle sweetheart
She's my Yankee Doodle joy
Yankee Doodle came to London
Just to ride the ponies
I am a Yankee Doodle boy

Steve Ferns
119 Posted 04/07/2018 at 08:58:04
Yes Tony. Happy 4th of July to the American Blues.
Mike Keating
123 Posted 04/07/2018 at 09:24:59
Steve @ 112.
Dixie was a Corinthian and a gent but he was also capable of violent retribution. In Those Feet, David Winner recalls the game in which Davy Parkes deliberately hospitalised a teenage Dean - an incident which led to him losing a testicle.
17 years later, Dixie was having a pint in Chester when a stranger sent over a pint. When Dean recognised his benefactor as Parkes he marched across the bar to greet him; no hard feelings?
Not a bit of it - Dixie beat the living shit out of him and called an ambulance.
In a radio interview in 1978 he admitted;
"I done his face up and they took him to the hospital, so we're evens...It was the only time I ever retaliated"
Gary Edwards
124 Posted 04/07/2018 at 09:28:57
Due to location I'm watching the WC on Bein meaning I have the dubious pleasure of the mixed bag of Keys & Gray and their various guests (inc. Jagielka for the Belgian game).

Consequently it's great to be able to read and occasionally participate in ToffeeWeb threads which are generally more reasoned, informative and all encompassing than the shite spouted by overpaid, has been pundits.

My twopenneth:

Management: when the Columbians were on the verge of imploding Southgate should have been barking at the England lads to continue playing footie and not indulge the Columbians and he should have kept on barking until the soft tw*ts followed his instruction. Southgate knows that the likes of Henderson don't need any encouragement to indulge the ugly side of the game and it came as no surprise when he got in a snide butt booked. The similarly intellectually challenged Lingaard 'pulls a Neymar' when it would have been easier to get a shot in and put the game to bed. Trippier and Maguire were amongst others guilty of silly antics. Collectively the England team need to learn from this, grow up and focus on playing fast paced footie.

Walker: is off his game / a liability (if we insist on playing 3). He needs to be replaced, Cahill in the middle, Stones to the right ? Or revert to a '4' and get more guile in midfield. '4' would bring an element of surprise too.

Sterling is another who has been ineffective. I accept that he's got blistering pace but they're not playing in a way that allows him to use it even so he still couldn't hit the barn door.

England's main chance of winning this is to utilize its best assets attack at pace why not adopt a formation that utilizes Kane, Vardy & Rashford ? simply keep on knocking the ball into areas of the pitch where they could run onto it / run with it and terrify the life out of any defence.

Dave Abrahams
125 Posted 04/07/2018 at 09:30:48
Steve. (112), "Every footballer doesn't cheat, I give you Brian Labone and Dixie Dean" going back a bit there Steve, this is today, most of them do but differently, Kane, I think, got as many fouls as any player on the field but he won his " very cleverly " according to the English commentators.

England got through without exciting most people and they had to thank the stupidity of the Colombian players for their penalty, never really looked like scoring from open play, Sweden won't be so daft in giving penalties away,might be in for another long night / afternoon.

Alan McGuffog
126 Posted 04/07/2018 at 09:32:33
Steven 116. The late great Rob Springett was no more than 5' 10''. I don't think Banks was even 6'. And I don't care how tall David Lawson was !
Alan McGuffog
127 Posted 04/07/2018 at 09:34:53
Brent Stephens
128 Posted 04/07/2018 at 09:35:30
Good 4th July to all our US blues. Great support from them for England on the Live Forum last night.
Steve Brown
129 Posted 04/07/2018 at 10:03:13
Well done to Jordan for saving Henderson from decades of ignominy - Waddle, Pearce, Southgate, Batty, Ince, Gerrard, Carragher, Lampard, Beckham, Vassell, Cole, Young is not a list you want to join! He could have done better for the Belgium goal but I don't think it was a goal-keeping mistake, while his save that conceded the corner from which Columbia scored was magnificent. To try to promote Pope (who?) to replace him just shows the pure shite that journalists produce in the name of content generation.

Columbia definitely set out to disrupt and get under the skin of the England players, including the fitness coach who barged into Sterling deliberately. That served to put them off their own game and make it easier for us. If we hadn't conceded that stupid late goal then it would have been a routine win. We do need the rest of the team to contribute more offensively if we are going to ease past Sweden as they always cause us difficulties.

Dramatic but not exciting, tense and nerve shredding in the same way that as watching the mighty Blues. I would honestly find it more exciting seeing Everton winning the Carabao Cup than England winning the World Cup. It would just mean a lot more to me.

Tony Williams
130 Posted 04/07/2018 at 10:10:26
Seeing that they wasted all that time disgracefully over the penalty, should they be rewarded with extra time?
Tony Everan
131 Posted 04/07/2018 at 10:10:27
Through the tournament it seems like ex Man Utd players are / were lining up to criticise Jordan Pickford .
Are they on a mission to drive the price down for when De Gea leaves so they make another pitiful offer for one of our best?

In a head to head match it would be close between Sweden vs Columbia . In my book Columbia have more about them, a marginally better team. I think that Sweden’s slow euro style football will suit England far better than Columbia’s dark arts performance. I think England will win in normal time.

Gary Russell
132 Posted 04/07/2018 at 10:24:44
Great shot from behind the goal of Jordan's save... https://www.balls.ie/football/jordan-pickford-save-world-class-392161
Colin Malone
134 Posted 04/07/2018 at 10:53:29
No creativity in midfield. Ali or Lingard, not both.
Paul Tran
135 Posted 04/07/2018 at 11:21:09
Happy 4th July to all US Blues. And don't let that referee leave your country again!

I've lost count of the times England have gone out to a side winning ugly, so it's great to see us do it for a change.

Tom Bowers
136 Posted 04/07/2018 at 13:03:52
I don't like people criticising keepers' willy nilly.
I have never been a keeper' but realise the job they do is very difficult much like referees.

If you make one big mistake, many will not forgive you as it can be so costly.

Outfield players make mistakes all the time and get away with it.

Pickford has proved he is one of the best available at the moment and may, in time, prove to be a Banks or a Shilton.

His penalty save proved to be the game winner despite the Dier conversion.

However, it's difficult to see this England team winning the trophy after this performance.

They started well in the first 20 minutes but lacked punch with Alli and Sterling showing very little.
After that the Colombians came into it and despite some dubious tactics looked very dangerous but lacked passing astuteness.

Some changes need to be made for the Sweden game but I doubt idiot Southgate will make any.

Darren Hind
137 Posted 04/07/2018 at 13:34:25
Just having another look at the link. What a fucking save.

Such a pity they scored from the resulting corner, otherwise that save would have been talked about for generations.
I've been critical of him for not moving his feet enough for long rage efforts, but he certainly moves them now.
The good news is, he still has lots to learn and although he's fantastic now, we still haven't seen anywhere near the best of him

Steve Ferns
138 Posted 04/07/2018 at 14:05:39
Well said Darren. Let's hope he gets better and better.
Jay Wood

139 Posted 04/07/2018 at 14:20:11
First up, Happy 4th of July to our American cousins.

Mike Gaynes @ various.

Let me walk you through your claim @ 87 that you are not clear on how the ref's handling of [key] situations impacted on the game one way or the other.

As you have done so before on TW Mike, in this very thread you flag up you are a referee of 40 years standing, as well as performing 'on t'other side' as a player.

As such, you should be keenly aware that any referee, no matter at what level he whistles at, needs to stamp his authority on the game from the first whistle if he is to retain control and gain the respect of the two teams and players.

Anything less and he (or she) leaves themselves open to manipulation and even scorn.

In profiling the US ref Geiger you yourself describe him as "never having any concept of player management." We certainly saw evidence of that last night.

Two key situations - one in each half - led to the escalation of hostilities. Both situations got out of hand because of weak - or rather, non-existent - intervention by the referee. A direct consequence of both was an increasingly fractious affair, as well as the added minutes in injury time, which gave Colombia the opportunity to equalise. That, as previously stated, most definitely 'impacted on the game'.

A better referee would have extinguished the flames at the first spark of trouble.

In the first half, Colombia conceded a free kick close and central to their penalty area. As both a player and a referee Mike, you will recognize what Colombia engaged in: out and out gamesmanship to delay and disrupt the taking of the free kick as much as possible; provocation of the opposition players; ungentlemanly conduct towards the referee.

England players had every legitimate right to place themselves in and alongside the Colombian wall at that situation. The referee totally failed to intervene and defuse the resulting jostling and Bairros clearly puts his head into Henderson's chest which rides up and smacks him under his jaw. Yes, Henderson - rather than holding his jaw, the point of contact - covers his face. Twattish simulation. But the biggest 'crime' was clearly Bairros' 'violent conduct', because that is what it was. He was very lucky to escape a straight red card.

Not content with that, even after Bairros was shown a yellow card, because Colombia had delayed the taking of the free kick so long, the ref had to count out anew the distance of the wall. And once again Colombia displayed their complete contempt for the referee by PHYSICALLY wiping away the line he drew on the pitch, insisting he moved it forward some centimetres...and then clearly, the Colombian players move at least one shoe size forward from THAT line. The England players protest that the wall's distance was not correctly positioned, but the ref - intimidated and manipulated by the Colombians - again failed to assert himself and move the wall back.

That is one very clear example of how the referee's performance impacted on the mood of the match.

At halftime, a Colombian coach clearly barges - totally unnecessarily - into Sterling as he leaves the pitch. Clear provocation and seen by the referee, who meekly wags a finger at the coach, but takes no further action.

Then we have the penalty situation, which was like the first half scenario times two. Once again, you have Colombia engaging in out and out gamesmanship to delay and disrupt the taking of the penalty as much as possible. Indeed, evidence has emerged of Colombian players doing some 'gardening' on the penalty spot as confusion reigns.

Once again, they are allowed to do so en bloc because of a weak referee. What have you posted on TW before about a referee stepping back from a situation and making judgement Mike? Geiger compounded matters by not walking OUT of the penalty area, away from where the spot kick was to be taken. Staying where he did ensured Colombia would delay the taking of the penalty as long as they did.

By walking outside of the area, the Colombian players would have had to follow him to pursue their protests. A good referee would then have told them: "Right now you have two choices: shut up and walk away, or stay here and continuing arguing in which case I will book you."

That Sanchez was the only Colombian booked in that scenario for his blatant rugby tackle on Kane to concede the pen, and that Henderson was the only other player booked for (gently) pushing back against a head to the back of his own head, made a complete mockery of things.

In total on the night, Colombia had 6 players booked - a record at this world cup. A stronger referee: 1) wouldn't have allowed the melee to continue as long as it did; 2) in quicker time would have started issuing yellow cards to diffuse the situation.

Furthermore, the flourishing of yellow cards to the Colombians would have also restrained some of their more physical play in the remaining 30 minutes of the game for fear of picking up a second yellow card.

As previously stated, it took 4 minutes between awarding the penalty to the actual scoring of the penalty. There were 5 minutes of injury time added at the end of 90 minutes. Colombia scored their equaliser in the 93rd minute. So the nonsense of the delay in the taking of the penalty AND failing to book any Colombian player for his part in the delay most definitely impacted on the game.

To claim as you do @ 92 that: "...everybody played the same number of minutes, and the Colombians would have had to be clairvoyant to have foreseen their protest would add on just enough time for their equalizer. Just because B follows A doesn't mean A caused B. Besides, red-carding a Colombian or two would have taken the same amount of time" totally misses the point.

Firstly, attributing Colombians with clairvoyance is an absurd hypothetical invented by you. Nobody else is making that claim. I have given you 2 very clear examples of how the referee's performance directly impacted on the game and the 90 minute result.

At no point have I claimed it was 'inevitable' Colombia would equalise in injury time that their gamesmanship created. I have merely pointed out that it was a consequence of them having the opportunity to do so, thanks to the extra minutes added by the referee due to Colombia's undeniable gamesmanship and ungentlemanly conduct following the giving of the penalty.

Secondly, posting as you did "Besides, red-carding a Colombian or two would have taken the same amount of time" is just bizarre.

Doncha think Colombia playing with 9 or 10 men might just have 'impacted' on the game a tad, Mike?

Robert Workman
140 Posted 04/07/2018 at 14:24:41
Colombia won on fouls - England won on penalties!
Mike Gaynes
141 Posted 04/07/2018 at 14:29:51
Gary #132, many thanks for that link. Been hoping to see another angle of that save. Uribe's volley would have gone down as one of the great goals in WC history, and Pickford was incredible.

George, Paul and Brent, thanks for the Independence Day wishes. Would you mind maybe taking us back, just for a little while? Things have gone batshit crazy over here. (And George, I loved that scene too. James Garner's expression when he first tastes the moonshine is priceless.)

Mike Gaynes
142 Posted 04/07/2018 at 15:15:34
Jay #139, just two quick points, because I know you love these long, wordy debates and I just don't feel like it.

1. Yes, Colombia exercised lots and lots of gamesmanship. No modern referee, American or otherwise, is going to send off a player for that in a WC elimination game, much as you may wish for it. Ain't happening.

2. Mina's goal went in at 92:32. Halfway through stoppage time. You keep going on (and on and on) about the delay before the pen, but you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the ref actually added time on for that. The fact is that the second half also included five substitutions, six yellow cards, two injury delays and a goal celebration, which together accounted for much more than the 2-and-a-half minutes of stoppage time at which the the tying goal occurred. Your insistence that the pen debate was the reason for the TAO required for Mina's goal is simply -- to use your own word -- bizarre.

I'm off on a day out with the family, so this field is all yours.

Jay Wood

143 Posted 04/07/2018 at 15:38:23
Mike @ 142.

Each to their own style of posting, Mike.

I chose brevity last night, you chose to 'go on and on' about a moot point challenged by myself and others.

1) Glad you can acknowledge Colombia engaged in lots (and lots! - your repeated words) of gamemanship. Why and how? Because they were given licence to do so by the referee. Thus, his management of proceedings DID impact on the game. Never claimed a player should be sent off for gamemanship, so don't slyly try and hang that one on me Mike.

2) I have made no claims as to how the stoppage time was calculated, so again, you are slyly trying to hang something on me I haven't stated. I actually agree with you, that five minutes was a lot less than I anticipated for the reasons you list. I merely flagged up to you - correctly, factually - the time taken up between the ref awarding the penalty and the penalty being scored, together with the - correct, factual - time added on at the end and the timing of Colombia's goal.

It wasn't me who offered bizarre hypotheticals.

Hope you have a good day out with the family, Mike.

William Gall
144 Posted 04/07/2018 at 15:54:48
I think that the whole bizarre incident from the game are the comments made by the Colombian coach blaming the English players for diving to get people booked. The major problem is this sort of behavior seems the norm in South America.

Tony Sullivan
145 Posted 04/07/2018 at 17:29:35
Tom Bowers (136) a good summary of events, but why call Southgate an idiot? Particularly a s he has significantly improved our tournament progress as well as getting the penalty shoot 'monkey' off our backs.
Not sure the idiot comment is merited.
William Gall
146 Posted 04/07/2018 at 17:55:47
Seems the worlds greatest cheat Maradona is getting in on the act claiming Columbia were robbed. Noticed he disappeared when Argentina lost.
Rob Halligan
147 Posted 04/07/2018 at 18:08:53
William, # 146. What does Maradona think Colombia robbed off? Did somebody break into their dressing room during the match? 😁😁😁
William Gall
148 Posted 04/07/2018 at 19:08:47
Rob, he claims that England were unfairly "hand-ed" a penalty, that Kane fouled the Colombian player.
Paul Kossoff
151 Posted 04/07/2018 at 20:22:49
Better for us if he had let a few in, maybe? Interest in Everton's Jordan Pickford is increasing, with the media reporting that Manchester United are keen on the goalkeeper.

This comes after it emerged that Bayern Munich have been watching Pickford for months and have identified the England international as their top choice to replace Manuel Neuer.

Lev Vellene
152 Posted 04/07/2018 at 20:25:45
Jay (#150),

Sorry, but Don's post made me chuckle... I'm often too long-winded myself, but I seldom have as insightful posts as you write. But they can take up some space! Keep it up! :)

Steve Ferns
153 Posted 04/07/2018 at 20:32:09
Paul, any chance of Man United actually being interested in signing him decreased as a result of De Gea's performances at the world cup.

The Spanish media are just not impressed by him, and so Real are unlikely to cough up the big bucks needed to sign him. Therefore, why would they come in for Pickford?

Bayern were supposedly interested in Pickford over doubts about Neuer recovering from injury. He may not have been at his best, but Neuer is fit enough to play every game for Germany, and so should be fit for the new season. He's only 32 as well, so hardly ready for retirement. So will Bayern really cough up what we'd demand, and do Bayern ever spend massive money on players? Sure compared to the rest of Germany, but not compared to England.

You can relax Paul, he's not going anywhere.

Raymond Fox
154 Posted 04/07/2018 at 20:41:46
Paul #151), You're dead right, I was wondering how long it would be before the shall we say 'The bigger clubs at this time' were circling.

Obviously our best players moving on is one of the reasons why we keep struggling to break that blasted glass ceiling.

Tom Bowers
157 Posted 04/07/2018 at 22:04:33
Southgate is an idiot because his reasoning behind the omission of Wilshere was because of his injury problems and then proceeds to pick Jones of Manure who has been just as bad with injuries.
Wilshere was the inform midfielder way ahead of Lallana and Delph .
Don Alexander
158 Posted 04/07/2018 at 23:23:31
Six is it Jay (#156)? Needs someone with an obsession to keep on a'checkin I'd say. "Boor" is the only four-letter word I'd feel comfortable in using to denigratingly describe a fellow fan too, a word you've previously readily conceded as one many of us would ascribe to you, and in that you are absolutely right, "again". Well done indeed!
Jay Wood

159 Posted 04/07/2018 at 23:40:18
Easy to keep count, Don. Because I never, but NEVER initiate dialogue with you.

Approaching 160 posts on this thread on a hot topic in which an Everton player became a global trend on social media...and your sole contribution to the thread is to have a pop at me.

No wonder you have no mirror to take a good look at yourself. You are so insipid there would be no reflection.

Andy Crooks
160 Posted 04/07/2018 at 23:52:33
Jay, I agree, the referee was a spineless second rate limp dick and the Columbian team were shameless, cheating, laughable, embarassing fuckers.
Jamie Crowley
161 Posted 05/07/2018 at 21:38:37
I was just crackin' through "old posts" and saw all the well-wishes for us Yanks on the 4th.

Wanted to say thank you.

Good day at the Crowley house. Beach, fireworks, and fired up the grill for dinner with some burgers, dogs, and went with some bratwurst too (ya, German, but SOOOO good!). Oh, and beer. Can't not have a beer on the 4th.

Only thing missing was shooting some guns! ;0) 'MERICA!


Now bring on the World Cup games tomorrow! Can't wait. What a tournament it's been!


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