Cartel of 11 plot breakaway European Super League

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A trove of leaked emails appears to have laid bare plans by a group of European football's most powerful clubs to break from their federations and form a new, 16-team super league.

In a long-form report by German newspaper, Der Spiegel details of the plot led by the likes of Bayern Munich and Real Madrid to consolidate their power in an enclosed league of elite clubs are explained based on emails and other documents uncovered by Football Leaks.

The report alleges that the 11 "founding clubs" concerned have drawn up a framework for the legal and logistical steps needed to form their breakaway league, scheduled to begin in 2021, and that the signature by representatives of all 16 teams who will be invited under the "binding term sheet" is set for this month, although there is no specific date.

The league's members would have an initial membership of 20 years and would not be subject to relegation.

According to the Spiegel article, the rebel clubs are:

Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, Manchester United, Juventus Turin, FC Chelsea, FC Arsenal, Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester City, FC Liverpool, AC Milan and Bayern Munich. All seven clubs in the secret society are represented. The five "initial guests," according to the document, would be Atlético Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Olympique Marseille, Inter Milan and AS Roma.

At the same time — the stories are, obviously, very much linked — it is being reported that Manchester City and Paris St Germain knowingly skirted Uefa Financial Fair Play regulations by inflating sponsorship deals (some to the tune of 80% of their value) and hid other payments but avoided punishment due to a deal negotiated by then Uefa chief, Gianni Infantino.

Read the full report Der Spiegel

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John Pierce
1 Posted 03/11/2018 at 03:03:26
What I always find hilarious about this idea, several times mooted since time and memorial is that team involved immediately become also rans in the league they create. Only one team can win it, someone has to be mid table and a team needs to finish bottom.

Can those giants mentioned thrive on not winning anything? Or cope with the ignominy being bottom of league?

Or perhaps those teams are happy just to be earning money the the top table.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
2 Posted 03/11/2018 at 03:37:14
The way to kill this is that any player who has played for this league is banned for life from playing in FIFA associated clubs.

So Danny Drinkwater - end of your career. Would have been the same for Thomas Gravesen. They might think twice about signing for them.

Other implication that after over 60 years of trying, Spurs may win the league.

Ajay Gopal
3 Posted 03/11/2018 at 05:57:02
Like American sports, essentially. I can see the attraction for the new football fans in Asia, Africa - the glory hunters. We live in interesting times, so you never know what lies ahead.
Matt Traynor
4 Posted 03/11/2018 at 06:05:07
Part of me hopes it happens - football has become too money-obsessed. The saving grace of the EPL was that broadcast money - through collective bargaining - was more equitably split - the team at the top got 1.66 times what the team at the bottom got. In Spain where they have individually negotiated rights, Barca and Real were about 22 x the rest of the clubs.

The self-appointed big clubs claim that their overseas fan base means they should have a greater share of the overseas broadcast revenue (which has mushroomed in value). However they already get increased revenue through the global sponsors they are able to drive through.

Wages have got out of control however, but if this breakaway happens it might mean an outbreak of sanity for the rest of the clubs. TV revenues will plummet - the money will go to this new league - at least initially - and so costs would need to reduce as well, but we might get something like a competitive league again, where achievements like Leicester are not seen as the aberration they are viewed as.

I would predict long term this league will fail. Assuming national FAs don't allow these "super-teams" to compete in national cups, the remaining leagues re-form European competition (maybe as it used to be - European Cup being for League winners only), then what does this league do? Play each other 3 times a year? Home, away and then games around the globe to satisfy sponsors?

Bring it on. The genuine fans of these clubs will be bored shitless within 2 seasons.

Dermot Byrne
5 Posted 03/11/2018 at 06:18:24
There in an inevitability to this. Nearly everyone I know who gets to the top wants to then pull up the trapdoor so others are unable to join them. In business the only way this is usually challenged is when customers get pissed off.

Sadly in this case the product of SL will sell really well to TV customers globally .

So, what will likes of PL and La Liga etc do? Very little I fear as I suspect their men at the top are feeding from same TV trough.

So in the end it is back to

Imagine the next step. A super league that clubs in likes of China can buy themselves into. Off they go playing in their SL. Stomach churning headlines begin of £1m per week/day/hour contracts begin and the SL buy Greece so players can enjoy their lives securely!

Meanwhile here the-not so PL continues in half empty stadia. As best-of-the rest we keep winning PL but cannot access Super League for 20 years.

How would you react?

Of course I feel the "always a Blue" sentiment but I am not a complete Muppet. If they change the rules so we cannot win the top trophy in any circumstances, then what would be the point? The fabulous fans of lower league clubs now at least can dream. In the New Super League system it would be like life without parole with the only hope an appeal every 20 years with a crap lawyer and a corrupt judge. All hope dashed.

Now there will still be a few thousand footy purists who will watch to analyse the techical side of the games. Hats off to them but I am shallow and need to dream. The thought of attending a new but half empty stadium with 20,000 increasingly ageing John Motsons and their bored grandkids would be just too sad. It would be like a scene from League of Gentlemen.

I have dreaded the Super League for some time and if it is going to happen, let's save ourselves some cash and just train youngsters at Finch Farm, sell them to the Super League and argue on here about the price received.

As this brave, techy new world develops, we could abandon all first team football and just give the profit from the sale of embryos with potential to EitC, for them to provide counselling for recovering football fans who need to rediscover their self esteem.


Paul Rimmer
6 Posted 03/11/2018 at 06:26:00
I can envisage this happening as money talks. It'll be a sad day for football - not because we're uninvited but past rivalries, traditions and the domestic cups will no longer matter. Everton, Spurs and others will join too eventually making a second Euro league. I fear that the lack of money for teams still playing in England in 10 years will see the death of them as you can see Sky wanting broadcasting rights for a Euro league.
Duncan McDine
7 Posted 03/11/2018 at 06:36:08
Dermot that is a beaut! How the hell you can write such a brilliant post at this hour is beyond me (maybe you live abroad in a distant time zone?).
Dermot Byrne
8 Posted 03/11/2018 at 06:44:54
Well sort of...Cheshire!
Duncan McDine
9 Posted 03/11/2018 at 07:05:36
Say no more
Colin Glassar
10 Posted 03/11/2018 at 07:27:51
Let them do it as it’s almost inevitable it will happen at some point. Greed has been killing the game ever since the Bosman decision.

But, if they are going to break away (like Packer’s cricket circus or the USFL) ban their money grabbing players from all Fifa/uefa competitions for at least 10 years.

Ban all the the clubs involved for a minimum of 20 years from and Fifa/Uefa competitions.

Once this so-called Super League fails, and it will, let the greedy fuckers wither and die in the desert. Let the likes of sheik Mansour, Kroenke, Pogba, Neymar, Raiola and co find something else to to with their time and money. Domestic football will grow and prosper without these leeches.

Colin Glassar
11 Posted 03/11/2018 at 07:42:53
Oh, and when it comes to corruption and cover-ups, Infantino is right up their with his mentor, Blatter. As long as he gets his brown envelope he will do nothing to stop this.
Paul Ellam
12 Posted 03/11/2018 at 07:58:13
Let them do it.
The novelty of watching the same teams so regularly will soon wear off.
Ask most neutral football fans now and they will say the Premier League is rot and that the Championship is the most exciting and closely fought league.
That just goes to show that these so called super clubs are not needed for entertainment.
I remember a time when an English club playing a Barcelona or a Juventus type club was exciting - now I rarely tune in to watch, it has become the norm and so doesn't carry the same weight of anticipation.
And also, these entertainment seeking fans will get a shock when they go from watching their team win regularly to getting spanked most weeks - that will soon get tiring (just ask my Huddersfield Town supporting friends who were overjoyed to get in the Premier League but now just want to be back in the Championship where there is more games and less defeats!)
The new super league will be dominated by the top four in the game, just like the Champions League is now. The rest will just make up the numbers, and become the also rans they are trying to get away from - poetic justice indeed.
Meanwhile Everton can set about winning some titles!
Dermot O'Brien
13 Posted 03/11/2018 at 08:02:43
I didn't expect to see Everton on the list and I'm glad that they're not. I would be ashamed if we were linked to this. Many of the posts above mention the words greed and money. There is no other explanation.
If it takes off I'd love to see bans for players and clubs from FIFA / UEFA but those guys are not afraid of money so I can see them getting involved in some way.
Any way, we'll be happy enough with ten Premier league, champions league, FA cup and league cup quadruples in a row in 2035.
Geoff Lambert
14 Posted 03/11/2018 at 08:04:46
Is this why the new stadium has stalled?

PS. I think it will become quite expensive and tricky to teavel to away games for the so called super teams supporters.

Rob Dolby
15 Posted 03/11/2018 at 08:08:17
I really would embrace this decision. It would breath new life into the Premier League. Let the greedy go and fight it out amongst themselves.

Getting rid of Chelsea, City and the likes would only make the prem more competitive.

In most leagues around Europe you can probably predict the top two before a ball is kicked. The prem has been stale for years with only Leicester bucking the trend.

In my opinion the championship is the best league in Britain if not Europe for it unpredictability. Removing the fat cats from the Premier League would also remove the bias shown to them from the refs making the games more of a level playing field.

Alan McGuffog
16 Posted 03/11/2018 at 08:26:15
Be bloody funny if the RS were champing at the bit to "play at their true level" and Brexit made a bollix of it all.
Tony Abrahams
17 Posted 03/11/2018 at 08:33:23
As long as this doesn’t throw a spanner in the works with regards to Bradley Moore, then this doesn’t bother me one bit.

The greed of the beast, kills everything in the end!

Steve Brown
18 Posted 03/11/2018 at 08:36:07
After not winning the league for over 25 years, Liverpool would be comfortable in the competition as they’d never win it either.
Ed Fitzgerald
19 Posted 03/11/2018 at 08:44:44
I don’t really care if this happens with one stipulation it’s a one way ticket for any club with no return to national associations or national cup competitions. To be fair many fans of the clubs mentioned in the breakaway league wouldn’t favour such a move either.
Tony Abrahams
20 Posted 03/11/2018 at 08:49:19
Forgetting about Liverpool, Steve, but I’ve often looked at the “tightness” of the championship lge, with regards to the same teams playing in this competition every year, and think that a cartel, has already been created?

Teams play in the Champions lge every season, who haven’t won any silverware for years, so therefore, they are no longer Champions, but they never look to change the rules.

We all have our own opinions, but mine is that if a team hasn’t won a trophy, in the previous three seasons, then they should be made to forfeit their place for a season, even if they keep getting in the top four.

Ben Patchesa
21 Posted 03/11/2018 at 09:16:26
Interesting that this surfaces when arguably the world's most powerful club, Real Madrid, look like they may well lose their Champions League crown and possibly struggle to qualify for next season's ECL for the first time...
Thomas Lennon
22 Posted 03/11/2018 at 09:25:11
I think this will happen at some point as even now the top few companies (in this context I hesitate to call them football clubs) need to invest to keep growing and can't invest until their money is less at risk. That is what a super-franchise-league with no relegation does.

Our owners are going to invest hundreds of millions in Everton. Right now they will only get their money back if we qualify for the Champions League, but there are six other clubs trying to achieve the same thing so the risk of a loss is high, consequently the likes of Usmanov will hesitate. If Champions League effectively becomes a closed shop then less will be invested.

Personally I think there will be a way in to this superleague once the idea has been developed - perhaps a Super League 2 for national league champions. The Premier League will of course be effectively dissolved, so must have a say?

For myself, watching Champions League football is tedious and I imagine a sterile no relegation Super League will be no better.

Kieran Fitzgerald
23 Posted 03/11/2018 at 09:37:38
This type of league would lose competitiveness very quickly. You would get a PSG or Man City still being able to outspend everyone else and they would win the league every year.

It would also soon lose appeal for fans given the cost of away games and a limit on how many games a season there would be with fewer clubs in the league. A shorter season would be a nightmare for fans. The close season in the summer is painful enough.

Steve Little
24 Posted 03/11/2018 at 09:47:11
I can't wait for these teams to fuck off.

And they can take their cheating bastard referees with them.

Paul Birmingham
25 Posted 03/11/2018 at 09:53:03
Pure greed and disrespect to the ethics, origins of the game and to grass roots football and the common people. Let them play each other x4 times every 9 months and they’ll soon get bored.

How the feck will normal people be able to afford to travel round Europe every other week, when people struggle to have a decent living in the UK?

May be these greedy swines have a notion of cheaper travel, which is unlikely with the uncertainty of the EU.

Pure greed, and I’d ban the lot from playing again in any national tournaments and kick any clubs out for 10 years.

What is uncertain is the Stance of the English FA.. I’d not be surprised if this organisation is also in on it.

Let’s hope this is pure greed lust and KIng Edwards.

Lawrence Green
26 Posted 03/11/2018 at 09:55:28
No doubt the breakaway clubs will want to have their cake and eat it. They will implore the various FA's to retain their membership of their domestic leagues but the 'super' league will be exlusive for only those breakaway clubs.

Nothing about forming a new league is about the match-going supporter it's all about TV and sponsorship. The possibility of empty grounds won't deter them as they'll find ways to fill their stadiums - even if they have to resort to giving away tickets on a massive scale. It's the billions of potential viewers that is their target market and that's from where they'll make their money.

I don't know what affect all of this may have on Everton FC but for once, I'm glad we're not one of the elite clubs, as those clubs and owners are married to greed and have no care for the game or its match-going fans. The greatest show on earth will become a travelling circus, when most ordinary folk only want to see a simple game of footy.

Niall McIlhone
27 Posted 03/11/2018 at 09:58:40
Don't beat around the bush, Steve!
Brian Williams
28 Posted 03/11/2018 at 09:58:50
If Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool left the Premier League, it would cause a "bump" in the road before the Premier League "recovered" and found it's equilibrium.

The league itself could be much more competitive with no single or couple of teams dominating, although Arsenal and Spurs may think differently.

Simply promote four teams from the Championship to the Premier League and four from league one to the Championship etc etc until all the gaps are filled. English football would survive and adapt.

As for the so-called Super League? While the idea may sound exciting to the supporters of the teams in it they'd soon tire of playing each other maybe four times a season and finding that attending most games was prohibitively expensive for the majority. It would soon turn into a spectacle for tourists and a very small number of hardcore supporters who could afford to travel and attend.

The teams eager to join either don't realize, or don't care, that by taking away local support and rivalry, and joining the circus, they'd be sanitizing the game for one reason and one reason only, money.

Good luck to them, let them go. Just make it clear there's no way back and let's see how it pans out for them.

Dan Brierley
29 Posted 03/11/2018 at 09:59:05
Financially this will have a huge financial impact on us, as much as I hate to say it we have been earning a lot more money thanks to the clubs that have a huge pull in foreign markets. And by joining together in a league with other European clubs that have huge pull, they will all make A LOT more money.

But the consequence for us once those clubs are out of the PL, means the annual prize money will fall away big time. Hopefully this means that the value of players like ours drops considerably, or it will be back on the fans to fund the squad through ticket pricing.

David Ellis
30 Posted 03/11/2018 at 10:01:38
Just make sure these SL teams cannot also play in their domestic league. That is the thing that has stopped this in the past. They darent make the leap.

SL on its own will hopefully be dull for glory hunting fans as their teams lose a lot more

Rob Halligan
31 Posted 03/11/2018 at 10:27:37
Let them go!

16 teams means 30 league games. They would probably have a European Super cup involving the same 16 teams. So that would be a maximum 34 games for the finalists and a maximum 31 games per season for those beaten in the first round. What a great season for the fans that would be.

As others have said, they cannot participate in the FA or league cup, European competitions or represent their countries.

So let the greedy bastards go. Greed has taken over football world wide, not just in this country. Football is no longer a sport but a business. There may well come a day when it can return to a level playing field, and this might just be it.

Alan J Thompson
32 Posted 03/11/2018 at 10:28:52
Let them go, expunge their records and tell them there is no return then make it a truly British League inviting in the Scots at agreed levels e.g Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen & Hearts, say, replacing those who abscond and others at an agreed level even expanding to five or six levels or even regional leagues with play-offs for promotion.

Quite honestly, I rarely watch other than Everton unless it is on free to air or an interesting National team fixture so it may only expand into the likes of Asia, North America and Africa.

Let them have and live with what they want, come hell or high water.

Tony Everan
33 Posted 03/11/2018 at 10:30:12
It is always wheeled out as leverage when policy is being formed. It is a way of bullying to force the authorities to tow the line as to what that group want.

I would imagine though a lot of the European clubs would like a share of the sky-pie, with the gullible Uk subscribers funding them.

Comcast/Sky ?and the breakaway clubs may get a bit of a shock though, fans may turn their backs on it. It is regional rivalry that fuels sky and the EPL . The passion and history are prevalent. The euro games would be soulless affairs of no interest to the wider UK audience.

If they go, cut them off . No coming back. The EPL then should abandon Sky or whoever has the euro games and sell exclusively to BT or whoever. Even if it means a reduced deal.

James Hughes
34 Posted 03/11/2018 at 10:43:46
Not going to happen in my opinion. Madrid & Barca are used to winning everything between them in their league. Same applies to Juve, Bayern & PSG. All of a sudden they are all going to accept being a small fish in a very big pond, not a chance.

Their respective fans have got used to silverware every year, do you think they would accept less just because the opposition was top drawer every week and the games more challenging.

Are Manure fans happier now they are being challenged every week or would they give their right arm to be nailed on champs every year as they were just recently.

i agree with Tony #33 it is just a big stick to threaten others with of they don't get their own way. Just like telling kids to beware the bogeyman.

Winston Williamson
35 Posted 03/11/2018 at 10:49:01
I’d be quite happy to see the backs of the media darlings ‘Top 6’.
It’s the other 14 teams in the PL that make the league exciting! When was the last time you saw an exciting game between the ‘Top 6’ clubs? They’re usually dull affairs! Maybe the LFC and City games last season?

I’d miss the Derbies, but the cheating that goes on within games against the ‘Top 6’ is now on a disgusting level...they’d deserve one another!

If EFC were in this SL scheme, I’d be embarrassed, as well as thinking how bored I’d be watching the same teams line up game after game.

Post SL...I like the idea of inviting the Scottish leagues to join the English leagues. I would even invite the Irish teams too and have a British system, minus the nobheads in the SL.

It’d be a good marketing ploy to rival the Super-Nobheads-League!

Mike Keating
36 Posted 03/11/2018 at 11:14:42
Dermot @ 5
As a shallow dreamer myself I have to agree with almost every word of your post. But what have the Greeks done to earn such a fate?
Send them all to Dubai instead - they deserve each other.
Rob Halligan
37 Posted 03/11/2018 at 11:29:41
See spurs are not one of the English clubs invited to join this "European Super league"

in all honestly, I don't even think they can be considered one of the so called "big six" clubs in this country. What criteria do they have to gain entry to the ESL, or be considered one of the "big six" clubs ?

It's 57 years since they won the league, in fact in their entire history they've won it twice. They've won about as much as us during the premier league era, and we have always had a bigger stadium than them (up until they move into their new one).

So I assume it must be because they have played in the champions league for a couple of seasons. Can't be anything else.

Ray Roche
38 Posted 03/11/2018 at 11:41:18
You say
"Their respective fans have got used to silverware every year, do you think they would accept less just because the opposition was top drawer every week and the games more challenging."

James, it's not the fans that would be involved in this. It's the Money Men. Do you think that us fans are considered in the PL these days? Fixtures changed at a moments notice with no consideration to fans who have booked flights, tickets, hotels etc. No, if the Money Men can get this afloat it will happen, whether fans like it or not. The greed that exists in football now will kill the game as we know it.

Thomas Lennon
39 Posted 03/11/2018 at 11:51:43
What Ray wrote - and if you think the current PL will survive with a few added from Scotland think again. PL will quickly wither if this happens and find a level just above the current Championship, it was built as an elite tournament not a national league.
Eddie Dunn
40 Posted 03/11/2018 at 11:59:53
Money talks, and greed will interest the big clubs and the TV companies.
I hope it happens, as long as those clubs are not allowed to play B teams in their home leagues. Also it would be good to ban these clubs from loaning players out to the original leagues.
I imagine that this idea will disenfranchise the ordinary fan, who likes to travel away from home, and it will just be the middle classes who can really enjoy the trips, leaving the plebs to watch on telly.
I would think that once the likes of Villa, Derby, Boro', and Leeds fill the void, the PL will keep it's interest for us mortals, and the Euro elite will all get bored with each other.
Geoff Lambert
41 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:01:15
I think over time a lot of the suporters who do not want this would form a new club to start again from the begining, climbing up through the league system.
Gordon White
42 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:01:54
3 things that come to mind.

The cost of watching these teams for your average fan.

With no relegation doesn't it become aimless for two thirds of the club's involved passed a certain point in the season?

Will they only play games in this league with no cup competition's nor European games?

David Peate
43 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:03:10
Great news. Let them all go. It's about time that Tranmere Rovers or Accrington Stanley had a chance to win the FA Cup.
Paul Brown
44 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:08:49
Great news as far as I am concerned – the greed will make these clubs extinct, mark my words. For a start, how will they produce players? How will they buy players outside the Super League?

Every club left needs to stand firm and back each other up and fuck them all off when they come knocking. A few seasons of the Red Shite mulling out a 0-0 thriller against Marseille or whoever and the job will be fucked.

Hopefully the greedy fuckin' yanks who run the tin mine will sell up to some Chinese billionaire who will then relocate them to Outer Mongolia and we will be rid of them forever more. “We don't want to be eaten? We want to eat you!" Seems to be their mantra, so let them eat each other!

Brian Harrison
45 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:18:48
There has been talk of a European super league for some years now, this time there seems to be a little more detail involved in they say that there will be no relegation for 20 years. I know some of the top 6 have been unhappy with their slice of the cake from Sky, and you can see why apart from the top 6 I cant imagine there being much demand in Europe and further afield to watch the other teams. Whether this has led to these talks taking place I suspect so, but it will need a very bold approach from the Premier league to stop this happening.

This in my view would lead to the quality dropping in the Premier league, should this happen. Somebody even suggested inviting some teams from Scotland to join the Premier league, not for me. All the top players would be playing in the new league, and thats were all the money would end up. As for what happens after 20 years and a club gets relegated where do they go, if all the countries whose teams will be involved said if they came back they would have to start in the 3rd or 4th tier that might dissuade some of switching.

I don't see any upside to this for the teams that will be left in the Premier league, and I am sure Sky and Amazon and Netflix will be pouring Billions into trying to secure exclusive rights to this new league. We would be watching inferior players and probably would see an influx of the players that play in the new league when there coming to the end of their careers so we would become a pension fund like China and America is at present.

Brian Williams
46 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:19:36
PL will quickly wither if this happens and find a level just above the current Championship, it was built as an elite tournament not a national league.

Thomas, it wasn't "built as an elite tournament" at all it was merely the old first division given a new name, same teams with promotions and relegations exactly as before.
It feels different because it's marketed differently to all the Sky sheep.
Sky DIDN'T invent football believe it or not, and neither did the premier league, it existed just fine before they moved in and could/will again should they fuck off!
Amazing how some people get sucked into the world according to Sky.
Jay Wood

47 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:21:37
Bring it on! Let 'em go! I don't view this as a negative at all.

Without a doubt, if this should come to pass, the media money for the PL will fall, the very VERY best players and managers would be hoovered up by the 'elite' Super League clubs and those remaining in the domestic leagues would have to adjust their costs accordingly.

But... so what?!

Like many, based on this thread, I used to be a glutton for almost any televised game of football, particularly those rare (note the 'rare') encounters between European heavyweights under lights, mid-week. I am no longer.

Gradually, both UEFA and FIFA with their reforming of the entry qualifications for their flagship competitions, have effectively diluted the 'magic' of those 'rare' encounters and made them commonplace.

Many of the CL and Europa League qualifying games are drab affairs, so easy is it to predict who will qualify for the KO stage. Gianni Infantino declared just this week he wants to bring forward by four years his horrible, lopsided 'innovation' to expand the World Cup final numbers to 48, believing (mistakenly) that 'more is better'.

This would not be the death knell for domestic leagues IMO. It will be a renaisance. You cannot discount how deeply enmeshed a local football club is within its community, its host city.

Financially, the proposed Super League will be a 'goer' and popular with the extended world audience, particularly Asia. But that audience is also very fickle. It is one thing following a team that is competing and winning trophies domestically each season. It is another thing altogether when you are bumping along mid-table or lower in an 'elite' league.

Following and supporting your team at every game as some fanatics do will fall off dramatically. Monday morning footy discussions at work will be very 'meh' without the local interest.

If the 'elite' clubs choose to remove themselves from their domestic leagues, we would see a return to a more even playing field, a super-competitive league, in which clubs would again field more local talent which in turn would resonate with their fan base.

This may be just a ploy by the 'elite' to get a bigger slice of the media money the national leagues generate, rather than divi it up more equitably as is currently the case.

But UEFA, FIFA and the domestic FAs still hold a very strong hand. If the 'elite' clubs move forward with this, then they and all staff associated with them should be declared 'outlaws'. That the competition will not be recognized by any level of any governing body, who would impose a life-time ban on anyone joining such clubs from participating in any form of football endorsed by the footballing authorities.

I close with one caveat: Sadly, the likes of UEFA, FIFA and the domestic FAs have not always displayed the necessary spine, but rather, played the role of appeasers to accommodate the few rather than guard the interests of the many.

Steve Ferns
48 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:31:00
It’s not great news. It’s the end of English football. It’s permanent relegation to the second tier. It’s loss of all the kids to the RS, who’s going to support Everton then? It’d be the end of Bramley-Moore. We’d just be some second rate side getting 20,000.

And if the championship is so great, then why does no one watch it or give a shit about it?

Sure, the Super league could fail, but that would only make football fail with it.

Dermot Byrne
49 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:34:45
"Sky DIDN'T invent football believe it or not, and neither did the premier league"

Too true. They just bought it.

"You cannot discount how deeply enmeshed a local football club is within its community, its host city."

I think we are in the last days of that era and a more mobile middle class means those roots are weakening. And for those former working class roots of football...think those are weakening due to price. So dad may still go but when Karen goes to college in London, think she will be dashing back?

Or when Zoe comes and studies here and stays, who would she go and watch.

Just strikes me some of us may be knowingly watching the demise of football as we know it now and kidding ourselves the result will be the game returning to those days we fondly remember as kids.

Dermot Byrne
50 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:35:51
Agree Steve #48
Steve Ferns
51 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:53:54
Actually, this is wrongly reported.

Go read the guardian or the times. This is not to replace the Premier League, this is to replace the Champions League.

Whilst it doesn’t categorically say the clubs will remain in domestic competition, it does imply that.

This is the usual cartel thing they do where they force UEFA to give them more. Last time it was so they all go straight into the groups without qualification (ie no Villarreal type exit for any of them).

They just want a bigger piece of the pie, as always. So more and more TV money given to the cartel regardless of performance or results.

They also want to ensure that they have automatic qualification for the next 20 years so it doesn’t matter how they do, they still qualify.

The league would see them guaranteed 15 or 30 games, and then it goes into a knockout, so 15 is more likely. That’s TV revenue bonanza for them.

It’s all about clubs in Italy and Spain where they don’t have the economy of England or germany trying to ensure they line their pockets.

Anthony Murphy
52 Posted 03/11/2018 at 12:54:32
My thoughts are:

If will happen at some point. The global TV and live streaming market make it inevitable. Many of the clubs involved have fans all over the world, so you’ll see a fair few games played is USA and Asia. Just look at the summer tournaments.

The SL clubs will look to remain in their domestic leagues and field B teams. A Man C B team would still be competitive and the Premier league can’t afford to not have a Man U, RS presence - so a deal will be done. This will give the SL clubs a chance to field youngsters and operate a competitive reserve option.

There inevitably will be a SL second division in time to which the likes of us and Spurs will be invited to join.

Watching Man U right now. Who do you think Pogba would rather be playing against week in week out? Bournemouth in front on 10,000 or Real Madrid, Barca etc

Dermot Byrne
53 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:00:31
Just a step towards SL methinks
Steve Ferns
54 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:05:12
Anthony, it’s not B teams that will be fielded, but if they are guaranteed to qualify, then they would not risk their best players. So they would field weakened sides full in the knowledge that the Premier League doesn’t matter.

I think we’d still see the Cartel 5 dominate the PL, but if one of them stubbles, like Man Utd are now, then they won’t be bothered with the PL.

Jon Ferguson
55 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:05:39
At the risk of going against the grain, I think a pan-European league is inevitable in the long-term.

In order for us to stay in the game, I would consider us forming a second break off league with the likes of:

Tottenham, Valencia, Seville, Porto, Benfica, Lyon, Monaco, Ajax, Feyenoord, Celtic, Rangers, Napoli, Fiorentina, Werder Bremen, Schalke, Anderlecht.

A Champions League style knockout competition could be proposed across the two leagues.

Andrew Clare
56 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:18:19
This will probably lead to clubs relocating to different cities, maybe even countries in the future having been bought out by mega rich billionaires.
Many clubs in the U.S. have done this.
It definitely continues the decline of football as a sport for the working man or woman.
I’m sure the game will continue to grow in popularity and be incredibly successful but the clubs will no longer belong to their cities of origin.
I remember going to games in the sixties and the fans looking genuinely poor but still having a shilling or two to go to a game. It’s a different world now.
Rob Dolby
57 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:25:32
I don't see how 5 teams leaving the league would mean the end of English football.

There is a pyramid in this country which has 100s of teams in all wanting to play at a higher level.

There is more to football than the premier League in this country.

Jay Wood

58 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:31:24
Dermont @ 49, re: the strength of local support within a community for its city football club.

"I think we are in the last days of that era and a more mobile middle class means those roots are weakening."

As far as Everton goes, the numbers contradict you as this link shows:


Our young fan base attending matches at Goodison is GROWING, not diminishing. A 15% growth in a single season at the time of the linked report. One in four attendees at Goodison are under 22.

If the report in the original post is not accurate, as Steve Ferns suggests @ 51, that further moves the goal posts of the discussion.

I for one do not take a doom-ridden view of this for the future of professional football, however it pans out.

Lev Vellene
59 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:35:16
I thought this was just some substitute for the Champions League? Are they saying they'll break away from their domestic leagues?
Gordon White
60 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:41:35
The more I think about it, as a fan, not as an Evertonian, I think it may not be such a bad thing in the long run.

Football, as we know it, is becoming more a game for the few than the many.

Whilst I too worry about the consequences of the EPL effectively becoming the "Championship", I think it could bring back local football to a wider audience in this country.

I think it would be more affordable for mainstream TV and thus would get more coverage. Fans would be able to regularly watch their team play.

It would open the door for a lot more sponsorship from organisations that are currently priced out of the market or are bit players. I think this could raise the level of the remaining league.

It's easy to be dismissive and rude about the championship and Scottish football.

But are you telling me the fans who support those clubs, as avidly as we do Everton, don't enjoy it as much as we do? They don't get the thrills or the heartache?

I wondered about the drain on decent players wanting to play in such a league. But players want to play. And 20 odd teams may have the VERY best players but certainly not all of them from across the entire world! And if money were everything, a lot more players would be plying their trade in China.

The difference between the top 6 and the rest now is obvious as is with the EPL and the championship. But that's because they're competing with each other with vastly different resources. The remaining clubs in the EPL would not be competing with this league, at least for 20 years. They would become for many, almost a foreign league.

After the hoo haa has died down it could become similar to the CL now. But there would be no interaction between it and any other European clubs or leagues.

Fans want something to relate to. Local rivalries, history and what went before them. The world cup is great. The best if the best. But I would still prefer to see my team thrashing it out on the park for 3 points - all ends up - every day of the week.

I think such a league will probably have negative and positive implications for British football. Immediately it could well be negative, for those left behind. But I think in the longer term it could be very positive.

Jamie Crowley
61 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:46:28
Yes Lev. It's a complete breakaway.

We already have a Champions League, yet these greedy bastards want to isolate themselves to satisfy their superiority complexes.

Man U playing Bayern, Real, and Barca over and over? HA! They won't win a game the entire season!

This whole situation to me is simple. It will definitely happen if FIFA does nothing. If FIFA actually grows a backbone and levies penalties on Clubs and players alike for withdrawing from their respective leagues, it won't happen.

So thanks to shady dealings, money talking, and FIFA's incredibly high moralistic standards (cough, puke, cough) the big teams are off.

Anthony Murphy
62 Posted 03/11/2018 at 13:49:44
Rob, I reckon there's no chance they'll leave their domestic leagues as they've got squads with the quality to play in both and wouldn't want to miss out on the money. I suppose a big question would be what happens to the Champions League?

Well, the bubble has got to burst at some point. What goes up must come down. I wonder how RS fans will feel finishing 7th in the SL and if fielding a weakened side in the Premier League, being beat in both derbies with Everton finishing above them each season?

Steve Pugh
63 Posted 03/11/2018 at 14:03:26
I hope they leave and I don't think it will damage English football in the long run. In recent years there have been calls for normal league games to be played abroad, like having the NFL at Wembley. I suspect that more than half of so-called Super League games will be played at a neutral stadium with 'home' team being little more than a label. Every club involved is a global club with a global support, that's why no Spurs, and their local supporters are simply not needed.

Within a few years the five guest spots will be taken by the biggest clubs from China, Qatar, South America and the US (possibly even a US All-Stars type team).

As the local football supporters find they can rarely go and actually enjoy the atmosphere of a match many will start going to other games depending on how deep their loyalty is that will either be to other local Premier League clubs or to lower league clubs. Neither of which is a bad thing for football in the UK.

Gordon White
64 Posted 03/11/2018 at 14:03:52
Steve @51 – thank you for explaining.
Dave Ganley
65 Posted 03/11/2018 at 14:10:58
To be honest I can't see how the integrity of the league would be maintained if the so called elite play weakened teams in our competition. If the so called elite choose to participate in a super league with no relegation then I don't see how they can carry on playing in our league. The so called rest will need to show some bollocks for once and tell the elite if they break away then they're not welcome. Can't have your cake and eat it.

I don't see it is a negative if this happens. Let them go play in their league and see how it pans out for them. Let them play their games in Asia or the States or wherever, all it's doing is cutting the umbilical cord to their genuine fans. If they want to sign their death knell then so be it I won't shed a tear for them.

I'd rather watch a competitive league than one whereby a select few can abuse FFP and buy up all the top level players and win everything, big deal. In a few years all the winners will be soulless clubs like Chelsea and Man City, putting flags on seats to create an atmosphere... Rah, rah! Well, if that's the future, then I'd rather they did go off and do their own thing. I for one would not miss that kind of plastic football.

Kieran Kinsella
66 Posted 03/11/2018 at 14:11:33
This is just one of the scenarios that shows there is risk to the city of Liverpool in terms of financing the stadium. If the EPL becomes a second rate entity, the money dries up. If Everton get relegated and do a Portsmouth, the money dries up. The city are on the hook for the loan and market risk and political risk are two factors that could jeopardize that investment.

Personally, I would much rather have some scum bag hedge fund finance it because if the club, and therefore the stadium project goes to the wall, I couldn't care less about a hedge fund losing money. I would though hate to see, Liverpool residents 10, 20, 50 years from now having to foot the bill.

Kristian Boyce
67 Posted 03/11/2018 at 14:12:57
Steve Ferns is right, this is about them creating their own version of the Champions League, not quitting their domestic league. The guy behind this all is the US based Charlie Stillitano who runs the same company that is trying (and looks like failing) to get the Spanish La Liga games played in the States. He’s a repulsive slug of a man who somehow has a platform on a football radio show here.

To be honest this is old news, these meetings he set up with clubs to discuss plans go back a couple of years. I remember seeing reports and pictures of the meetings, and him using the excuse of expanding the International Champions Cup (the US based summer friendly competition) as why they were meeting, but in fact it was about this league. Link

With the backlash the proposed La Liga game is getting, I foresee the same for a Breakaway Champions League.

Stan Schofield
68 Posted 03/11/2018 at 14:16:42
Football is 'obviously' rife with corruption, both on and off the field (and it wouldn't surprise me if drug taking was rife as well, like in cycling and athletics). The reason for it is, equally 'obviously', money. To compete at the highest level looks impossible unless you are part of that culture. We either want to compete at the top, and accept that culture, or reject it as morally unacceptable and remain where we are.

We used to be one of the richest clubs, which is why we were elite and successful (8 trophies while I've been an Evertonian). At one time, we could buy the best players, even the 1966 World Cup final Man of the Match. We're not elite now, and haven't been for some time, but we're trying to be again.

I can imagine (but could be wrong in doing so), that many if not most Evertonians would be chuffed to bits if we were on the reported 'elite list' of clubs. Being on that list would of course reflect us either being at the top or a sign that we're on the way there.

In the mid-80s, we were arguably the best side in Europe but were denied a chance to show it, and cement our elite status, by events that had nothing to do with us, namely Heysel.

Personally, I want us to be the best, like we once were. That's what I was brought up with, so it's in my blood so to speak. As such, if this Super League goes ahead, I want us to be part of it. Either that, or I reject top-level football altogether. It's black or white for me.

Dave Ganley
69 Posted 03/11/2018 at 14:46:53
I can see where you're coming from Stan but I don't see it as being that simplistic really. I love the European nights don't get me wrong, be it in the Europa League or Champions League however they are "treat" nights for me nothing more. I much more enjoy the rivalries of English football whereby you like/dislike certain teams with a passion.

I don't/wouldn't get that from Barca or Madrid or Bayern etc, there is no history or tradition, just wouldn't have the same appeal if you're watching it week in week out. If the so-called top 4 want out then so be it. As much as it would mean we are successful I wouldn't want to be part of a closed shop European league.

I like going to away grounds in England where the hosts don't like you for whatever reasons and it's hostile. It's a band together time for away fans, not like a European jolly where you take time to enjoy wherever it is you're going. Doesn't matter how successful you are, where is the fun of spending a fortune going abroad to watch the blues every other week paying inflated airline charges wherever you go?

If it is an all or nothing scenario then to be honest it would be a nothing scenario for me. Give me regular local rivalries any day over constant meaningless games against teams from Spain or Germany or Italy and playing them all over the world. It would mean nothing to me if you can't even afford to go and watch it. Watching irrelevant football on TV is not being a fan – it's just putting more money into the already obscene cash cow.

Kieran Kinsella
70 Posted 03/11/2018 at 14:53:05
Kristian & Steve,

The leaked documents included some saying that Bayern Munich were exploring the legality of leaving the Bundesliga when this league is created. If this was intended to run alongside the regular leagues then why would Bayern be looking to leave their own league?

Kieran Kinsella
71 Posted 03/11/2018 at 15:34:54
Also, document says Bayern have asked lawyers to see if they would have to make players available for the German national team if they leave the Bundesliga and join the "super league."

On one hand, this could end up being like that cricket thing that rapist Alan Stanford tried to get going in the Windies that descended into farce. Or it could be like what happened in the USA with NFL, NBA etc emerging from old leagues and competitions.

An interesting element is the assumption the Euro Super League would attract as much money as the Premier League in terms of TV deals etc. If you have a closed shop of 16 to 20 teams you are to an extent limiting yourself to their fans as customers. Yeah you get people who are neutrals who pay but would everyone?

If you look at the Premier League, yes in any given season you are marketing the 20 teams in that league. However, you also have fans all the way down the pyramid into the non-league who, with varying levels of realism and expectation, may have an interest in the Premier League on the basis their team has in the past, or could in the future, rise to that level. You wouldn't have that same intrigue if you had no concept or promotion/relegation or change in a Euro league.

Also, how long would it take for say Liverpool to establish a rivalry with say Inter Milan or Marseille that would rival the level of interest their rivalry with Everton has. Ditto with Arsenal replacing derby games with Spurs and West Ham for games with AC Milan or Borussia Dortmund.

Yes, at first you have the glitz and glamour of it all but things soon would settle down. One or two teams would dominate and Arsenal v Dortmund would be a pretty meaningless game between two struggling teams exempt from relegation. Liverpool v Everton would in contrast be a big game even if they were playing last day of the season and fighting over 12th place.

So I think you would lose a lot of the traditional fans. But, that is assuming the powers-that-be actually care. If they consolidate enough "fans" from Asia, America, wherever to cover their costs, and attract enough old-school fans to fill stadiums on match days, then it is no skin off their nose if many millions of average Joe fans just quit watching the sport altogether.

James Newcombe
72 Posted 03/11/2018 at 15:35:41
Let them go.

Money has completely ruined football. The rich, fashionable teams with the best divers win. You can't tackle anymore... And if they need a helping hand from a bent ref, they are only too happy to oblige!

Just don't ever let them come back.

Steve Ferns
73 Posted 03/11/2018 at 16:13:25
If you consider the big name European clubs not considered here, ie only one from France and Germany (with Dortmund as “guests” only), none from Holland, Portugal, Belgium, Switzerland etc, then this is where the Super League gets shot down. They can take on and beat the Premier League and La Liga, but not the forgotten leagues, which is the vast majority of Europe.
Thomas Lennon
74 Posted 03/11/2018 at 16:30:09
Brian (#46),

The Premier League has been built on replacing the old First Division with all its troubles (hooliganism, aged half-full stadiums, lack of investment, continental sides buying all of the top talent) with an emphasis on family friendly entertainment focussing on the top players and top class facilities. No more mudbath pitches and encouraging speed and skill. Many of the elite play in the Premier League, for a long time Premier League clubs dominated the Champions League and the Premier League charge elite prices.

Take away its ability to pay for the best players in the world and it ceases to be the elite competition TV currently pays for. If the Super League ever happens, that will happen. Of course, that will not be the death of English football but...

Len Hawkins
75 Posted 03/11/2018 at 19:51:39
Christ, Rednecks are so far up their own arses now, this move would suffocate them. GO, GO, PLEASE GO.
Joe McMahon
76 Posted 03/11/2018 at 19:59:04
We would have been on the list if we had been playing at a shiny stadium at Kings Dock for the last few years.
Ralph Basnett
77 Posted 03/11/2018 at 20:01:41
Oh please don't leave us, we will give you fuck loads of money!!!

R Madrid - okay we stay.
A Madrid - okay we stay.
Barcelona - okay we stay.
Spain 4th - okay we stay.
Man City - whatever.
Man Utd - okay we stay.
Chelskis - whatever.
Arsenal - okay we stay.
Bayern - okay we stay.

What I am trying to say is that the so-called big clubs want more money and so make a threat. Let the fuckers go and let the real clubs compete for their leagues and we will go back to the proper European Cup, Uefa Cup and Cup Winners Cup and tell all these pretentious twats to go and have their Super League.

Our leagues are there for a reason and not for money.

Sod the untouchable for they will want to play the honest!!!!!

Paul Birmingham
78 Posted 03/11/2018 at 20:10:29
Great debate this after a very good result today for EFC and justice done by Lacazette...

I think such a step on what ever scale would have to be overseen by governments and ethically it would mean slinging the book of so called football values and ethics.

FIFA and UEFA are bent and for the good of man kind, and the football community as a whole, if such an action took place it would make football a circus that would crash and burn very fast.

Imagine the red tape for recruitment, scouting, coaching...Raises questions about training licenses etc massive, massive risk, and cost.. but who wants to go the pictures to see the same film every 2 months and x4 times every 8 months..?

Who could afford to get the always across the continent with soaring costs and even potentially higher with or without brexit?

If they want to do it and get to do, then ban the lot for life from further membership of the English FA. Then again the FA could be in it to, on back handers.

nb: To date, no reply from my email to the FA about the cheating and diving, and very piss-poor referee last Sunday. Surprised? Not at all.

Ian Riley
79 Posted 03/11/2018 at 23:45:36
FIFA won't let it happen.

John Raftery
80 Posted 04/11/2018 at 00:42:34
Ludicrous. This is all about the big clubs increasing their leverage with UEFA to secure a bigger slice from broadcasting rights and automatic entry to the Champions League. Most Champions League matches are tedious until the knockout stages. That will be even more the case if there are no new clubs entering each year.

Even if it did happen the domestic game would continue to thrive. The Championship is the third biggest league in Europe for attendances. A Premier League without the five clubs listed would still attract large crowds and significant TV revenue with more clubs having a chance of winning something.

John Boon
81 Posted 04/11/2018 at 03:40:35
The Premier League is the most interesting league in the world. Much of that is due to relegation and promotion. A so-called elite league would be a disaster. As already mentioned, there can only be one winner and teams who have monopolised their own leagues will soon get tired of being mid-table or bottom.

Elitism has had a detrimental effect on football in general so "Super" Elitism will ruin the game. However, if those teams decide to leave... good riddance. And they should never be allowed back in their home leagues. So those 16 teams can spend the next 50 years boring themselves and their fans to death.

Also the fun of away games will be significantly restricted. The whole idea is idiotic

Brian Porter
82 Posted 04/11/2018 at 07:17:46
Do those clubs actually think supporters can afford to travel all over Europe for away games? Do they care? I doubt it.

Where is the excitement of a league with nothing to play for but 1st place and everything else is failure? Fans would soon become bored.

We all know that clubs' fortunes can change rapidly, so what would they do if, say, Manchester United fall apart and their team consistently finishes in the bottom 3?

Because of the small number of teams, the so-called Scottish Premier League has actually killed the game in Scotland. Low crowds, boring fixture lists (who wants to play the same teams 8 times a season?).

The whole idea is drivel but let them do it and when they realise the error of their ways, refuse them re-entry to their national leagues. It's time for the majority of real football clubs and supporters to make a stand against the money grabbers.

Tony Abrahams
83 Posted 04/11/2018 at 11:41:04
If this happens, how long before one of these major football clubs is uprooted and taken away from their own city?

I would genuinely hate Everton to be a part of something like this and I'm sure the majority of fans from these respective clubs would feel the same. Especially the English fans who are used to travelling – travelling away fans contribute so much towards a really competitive game of football.

I've read somewhere that, once a penalty has been taken, there will be no rebounds if it hits the woodwork or the keeper saves it? Hopefully this will only happen in this soul-less new league!

Julian Exshaw
84 Posted 04/11/2018 at 12:03:00
Another vulgar example of greed and the incompetence of FIFA. Mind you, stories about Super Leagues have existed since time began. Will football never learn that it can only survive by the dreams and ambition of 'smaller' clubs to compete against these super rich greedy big boys?

Let's be honest, who is really interested in the Champions League until it reaches the knockout stage? Imagine how boring it would be to see these teams compete for this elite but traditionless league. Football will implode one day but these clubs and FIFA are so blinded by money that they can't see it.

Tony Everan
85 Posted 04/11/2018 at 12:24:07
These things will happen by stealth, and false promise to gullible dollars in the eyes chairmen of lower Premier League clubs. They will try to reduce the Premier League size and expand European league football over time.

The money boys will want a piece of all the pies.

Watch this space...

Kevin Tully
86 Posted 04/11/2018 at 14:10:50
There is a reason why the Premier League is so popular across the globe. It may not seem so, but the gulf in class between sides is not as wide as other European Leagues. There comes a point when match-going fans can put a stop to unpopular schemes such as this.

Say what you like about the RS, but their fanbase puts ours to shame when it comes to protests, we all remember our lot clapping "Blue Bill" as he flogged our own training facility following advice from his shadow investor, the lovely Phil Green, his best mate and 'Mozart of money.' Would they have put up with his bullshit? No chance.

Fans have power, if they chose to use it: Football needs fans; it’s time to go on strike…

Rob Halligan
87 Posted 04/11/2018 at 15:24:00
If any team needs to join then it's Man City. At the moment, they are ripping Southampton apart. 3-0 after 18 minutes. At least make it easier for the rest of us in the Premier League.
Charles Brewer
88 Posted 04/11/2018 at 15:43:36
Will Manchester United be able to take their dodgy refs with them?
Charles Brewer
90 Posted 04/11/2018 at 16:28:32
I'd be very amused to see this lot depart into some league where all interest would die after about 3 or 4 matches. I suspect that the Asian and African markets would rapidly lose interest as one club began to dominate, no-one had to worry about relegation and there was no competition apart from this.

When it all fell apart, I'd let the English clubs return to competitions, but they'd have to start by winning their way into the Ithsmian League Division One North or South and then climbing slowly back to the Premier League. That would take about 7 years (assuming they got promoted every year).

Steve Ferns
91 Posted 04/11/2018 at 16:54:43
Tony, the penalty amendment is to stop the likes of Pogba tapping home the rebound after Pickford saves it. Others can do so, just not the penalty taker. I think this is fair enough as Pogba did not deserve to score after Pickford made the save and we would have had a chance at clearing it had Pogba not been allowed to follow up on the rebound.
Tony Abrahams
92 Posted 04/11/2018 at 16:56:18
Good article that, Kevin, I've been saying for years that football is too expensive because of the fans.

Maybe people are scared of the long-term damage it would do (honestly?) but if the next six live matches were all played in empty stadiums for the first 30 minutes, then these super rich clubs would really panic.

It's political, not enough militants, not enough common sense, but that's ”imo” of-course!

Tony Abrahams
93 Posted 04/11/2018 at 17:10:07
Fair enough, Steve, I must have read it differently, but even though, I still don't get it, mate.
Stephen Tyler
94 Posted 04/11/2018 at 18:34:22
15 years ago, Man City and Chelsea would have been nowhere near an invite!
Andy Crooks
95 Posted 04/11/2018 at 18:40:04
I have never watched a Champions League game. I would rather watch Irish League. This, in my view, is highly unlikely to happen. However, if it does it would be wonderful. A series of meaningless matches involving greedy bastards watched by people who have not the faintest notion of what being a supporter means.

I would love to see Liverpool in this league. It will be like the Kerry Packer circus. Fuck them off and never let them back. Happy days ahead.

James Flynn
96 Posted 04/11/2018 at 18:43:16
Many good points on why such a venture would fail.

And I cannot follow a logic where Bayern Munich, Barca, Real Madrid, Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, and the RS leaving makes any sense for those Clubs, as they're sitting pretty where they are.

John Boon
97 Posted 04/11/2018 at 18:57:03
Stephen (94),

You are exactly right, and if it had been done even further back other contenders would be Leeds, Nottm Forest, Burnley, Wolves, Portsmouth – a host of other teams – and of course Everton. Time changes everything besides getting old.

I would hate to be in such a stupid league. It would end up devoid of interest for all, except for those who have invested in it. And they would only be in it to make money. What a bollocks of an idea. I don't think even the fans of Red Norway United (RS) would like it. Mind you, I wouldn't if they were the only team in the league.

Matthew Williams
98 Posted 05/11/2018 at 11:38:42
A UK League must be at least looked at when the "Sky Six" leave. Like many, I hope to see them never return & stay locked into their greedy fantasy, never to achieve anything tangible or memorable.

A 22-team League would do me, 11 ties every weekend, with the possibility of showing one live game on Freeview. There are so many possibilities with a new League with the right people running it with vision.

It might just turn out to be the greatest single thing to happen to our game in a generation, in the long run.

Bring it on!

Geoffrey Williams
99 Posted 05/11/2018 at 13:45:34
The reasons the named teams have a high profile in their own countries and around the world is because of their relative success in their own leagues but, after a year or so even with these so called super clubs, a hierarchy will be formed based on financial resources. Will the supporters of say Arsenal or Liverpool be happy being at or near the bottom of the league year on year and what will be their attraction world-wide if they are associated with failure?

Three of the English clubs are owned by Americans who believe in the franchise system and I suspect they'd have no compunction in moving their team to a different city if they felt it would be of financial benefit to them. Money corrupts, American money corrupts totally.

If things do go ahead, I hope the FA cut the clubs adrift. The club's shouldn't be allowed to participate in domestic competitions and the players should not be selected for England.

Dick Fearon
100 Posted 05/11/2018 at 21:18:24
How many fans can afford or even bother with continental travel every fortnight?

Not only that but it would not take long for such a super league to develop its own top group of clubs and the inevitable plight of the rest merely making up the numbers.

It is long past time for football to return to its roots. The working class made it happen but in recent years it is struggling to keep pace with inflated costs and egos.

As happened with the 1980s, the great financial shock, the football market is long overdue for its own 'correction'.

Tony Cheek
101 Posted 06/11/2018 at 06:05:38
Just read this on Facebook and it really got me thinking....

Is the Premier League getting boring. How much longer can it continue being about the Big Six. Is it about to bite its own bum?

"The sooner they all fuck off to a 'Super League' the better. It's so one-sided now that even the City fans are bored. The 'atmosphere' was like a library. I'm sure the excitement of playing Liverpool, Barca etc every second week without the pressure of relegation will be tremendous! I'm a Burnley fan and the sooner we are relegated the better - the Premier League is the equivalent of the English aristocracy versus the peasants, getting crumbs off the master's table and hoping we aren't given a thrashing every week for getting above our station. Football was once the game of the people now it's just another corporate business – whoever has the most money wins."

Lee Brownlie
102 Posted 06/11/2018 at 09:22:25
First thoughts on this: Great disappointment – but not surprise – at the greed and total lack of thought shown to the real fans on the domestic front, and the potential ruination of our individual leagues.

Second thoughts: What are they even thinking? With no relegation from it, there'll instead just become (supposedly 'great') teams who are perennial losers, forever in a downward spiral (to nowhere!!), their managers always getting sacked, and replaced by someone else who can't turn a now shit team around!!! A load of bollocks then, really!!!

Overall, I don't get it at all... but then again my life will go on... so will football, even if not quite as we remember it, and, of course, Everton... so fuck em!!!

Jack Convery
103 Posted 06/11/2018 at 23:45:06
In the not-too-distant future, football as we know it will no longer be the game of the masses.... as the masses will not be able to afford to attend matches.

This Super League will take fixtures all over the globe with only so many home games per season. No doubt they will have two cup competitions, a League Cup Knockout Competition and a Champions League, 4 groups of 4 type competition. If home supporters get to see more than 10 home League games a season, I will be surprised.

The people who attend these games will mostly be a core of diehards who will beg, borrow and steal to get the dosh to buy a ticket. The majority will be the well-off so-called Prawn Cocktail brigade and the rest will be tourist fans. This is a natural progression – just like the split in darts.

These clubs will have a guaranteed income for at least the 20 years with inflation built into it. The games will be sold to the highest bidder obviously and who knows who that will be. Overseas, the games will be sold out as no doubt the distributors of the TV rights will receive massive payments for the games to come to these football hungry countries / cities.

Meanwhile, the National Leagues will carry on, some of them with ambitious owners who will lobby for their team's entry into Euro Super League 2 in 20 years or maybe sooner, given some of the so-called elite 16 may well fail.

In my opinion, the 16 should be banned from all FIFA / UEFA competitions – the players should be banned too and any who find themselves without a club should not be allowed back into National Leagues until they have served a suspension of at least 2 seasons.

I for one will be glad to see the back of them. When I was much younger, when every August arrived, every team in the old Division 1 started the season on a much more level playing field and every fan could dream of their team winning something - just like the Championship... or Old Division 2, as I call it. That has gone from the game and it is much the poorer for it.

Yes, it's great to beat a top-six team... but once a decade or once in 20 years? – not for me; that's not football, it's what's called a cartel.

Gavin Johnson
104 Posted 07/11/2018 at 00:23:34
The excitement of European football was lost when the Champions League format was developed. It was so much more entertaining and at a more level playing field when it was the European Cup and a knockout cup competition.

How would this proposed Super League be any different to the existing Champions League format, other than the said clubs would play each other more than they already do?? It's already near impossible for any clubs not on that list to qualify from the top European leagues.

Lawrence Green
105 Posted 09/11/2018 at 09:15:35
Simon Hughes of the Independent asks questions about the Premier League's governance of its clubs, but I would think that the Premier League is running scared of the possibility of an elitist breakaway league.

Double Pass

Jay Wood

106 Posted 27/11/2018 at 16:40:10
As an appendage to this thread of a couple of weeks ago, a very interesting article on the Beeb how European Basketball has done just what the cartel of Europe's 'Super Clubs want to do, form an elite European league.


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