Lord Heseltine backs Bramley-Moore Dock project

IIRC, Haymarket publishes FourFourTwo magazine (sadly not the Haymarket property I wrote for) and in the lobby they always had free issues of Haymarket publications available to employees. I always picked up FourFourTwo. Other classic Haymarket titles also include Renal and Urology News!

So it doesnt surprise me that he should champion Evertons new ground move.
What I am surprised at is after having lots of consultations which were all very well received, why we have to have further consultations.

My reaction was "Typical Tories. Ghost of Thatcher lives on."

I missed it first time around but just recently watched [what should have been called The Downfall of] "Margaret" on Amazon Prime. It's a BBC TV Movie from 2009 and a very impressive cast of mostly very familiar Brit actors, all cowering toadily while plotting behind her back.

Lyndsay Duncan was a little too attractive as Maggie but Ian MacDiarmid (I'd never heard of him) was brilliant as hubby Dennis, and there were some other excellent portrayals of all the other much hated Tory Grandees of the time, including Oliver Cotton playing Michael Heseltine.

It brought back some very scary memories. Let the hate mail flow...

Not my type but agreed mate.

House of Lords 㿴,000 + expenses .p.a?

Norman Tebbit was fond of telling people they should get on their bicycle, I'm sure he has one you can borrow, so start pedaling back down the M6 you fucking sponging tory dinosaur.

I suggest you read up on 'yer 'istory' before using tired old cliches about this particular Tory Lord.

Those of us who lived through those years in Liverpool – of the secretive 'managed decline' of the city – know all too well how there was a deliberate Tory policy to kill the spirit and squash the hopes of its inhabitants.

Heseltine did not toe the party line. He took his appointed role to the city very, very seriously and did much to arrest its decline.

There is a reason why a Labour-controlled city council granted Heseltine the freedom of the city a few years ago.

He stood by us when the Thatcher mafia would have seen this city implode.

He has nothing but my respect.

I think its very wrong to call them the "Liverpool" riots as it was centred around Toxteth and mainly aimed at police bias against the black people there.

When I was a student n the early 70s I had a flat on Princes Park road just along from Swainbanks and there was a section of young blacks then that were beginning to get restless about the fact they couldnt feel safe if they went outside of the toxteth boundary expecially around the bullring and that side of the city and were also victimised by the police.

I believe a lot of good came from that explosion of anger especially the appointment of Heseltine and the regeneration of Mersey Docks and Harbour which has been the catalyst for the City's growth ever since.

As far as I'm concerned any backing form this man has to be good.

She clashed with Thatcher, Hesletine and particularly the Chief Constable of Liverpool, Sir Kenneth Oxford, who she accused of using police brutality before and during this period.

She said that the people of Toxteth would be pathetic fools if they didn't rise up and protest the way they were treated and, although she didn't agree with the violence, she completely understood it.

Margaret lived into her ninties and, although born in Glasgow, she did more for the people of Liverpool during her lifetime than most MPs or councillors. She wasn't in it for glory or honour, just to help those who elected her, turning down the honour of “Freedom of the City” with scorn for that honour.

God bless you, Margaret, for your work in Liverpool.

What a warrior she was, Dave!

One of my favourite ever quotes by anyone was said by Margaret:

"The magic of Liverpool is that it isn't England!"

Still makes me smile, every time I hear it.

Let's have a look at what you've said; you've drawn some fairly substantial and false inferences for the most part from what I've said.

Firstly, let's deal with your "Yer istory" (not mine!).

You've used "Yer istory", I'll make (I believe reasonable) the presumption that you believe I have a limited education and if I do any reading at all it's most likely to be the Daily Mirror, The Sun or The Star and that I spend my evenings absorbing urban myths, recycling them with cliches in some public house with those of a similar intellect to my own?

The previous sentence might not wholly match your perception of me, but it's a reasonable approximation based on the context and your laconic and sarcastic use of the offending words, yes?

Speaking of cliches, of which you did!

Is it not an offensive cliche to make the assumption this is how Scousers verbally communicate, educated or not?

For what it's worth, I don't read the above mentioned rags and form my own objective opinions.

Let's move onto the meat of your post.

I've stated above "for the most part", I am a reasonable person and will agree with you about the managed decline of the City, although I have to say the people running the city were of such poor quality (and had been for a long time) — all the Tories really did was stand back and watch it happen.

Okay, Mr Heseltine and the love some feel for him. Before the city's resident Afro Caribbeans attempted to burn down all that was around them, there was significant nay! massive poverty and unemployment, I can't quote the source anymore, having read it a long long time ago, so you can throw this away if you want, but I read that Liverpool was regarded by the EU as the most deprived area in the whole of Europe about the time of the riots.

Things had reached to such a terrible low, where was our government? There was no impetus from them to help in any way, Heseltine was one them, where was he and his like before the riots to do the right thing? It took the global embarrassment of the riots to get them to do anything, you shouldn't praise him too much.

This is a good definition of a politician:

"A person who acts in a manipulative and devious way, typically to gain advancement within an organization."

Labour can reward the Tories as much as they want, but the above definition will still apply to them all.

I am a realist and distrust all politicians equally.

I stand by what I said in my #8 post, he is a dinosaur and he's paid for doing nothing in the House of Lords, Norman Tebbit told us to get on our bikes and leave our homes and families.

Can you now see where my anger comes from (even if you don't agree)?

His chief purpose was, in the future, to quell the chance of major riots that, a day after the first day of Toxteth, immediately sprang up in Manchester, Bristol and London, and other places. They may just have threatened the government's existence.

Never trust a Tory.

They've pretty much quelled the future chances of any serious rioting, the police themselves didn't do anything, they've just simply allowed those who might have fought for their civil rights to self-medicate.

These kids who might have looked at their social and economic position are so spaced out, they're not capable anymore.

New Everton stadium planning application update as further details on Bramley-Moore revealed.

Oooo, gooody! And the byeline below says invitingly: "Some further insight into hopes for planning application has been provided." If only I could stop there and walk away, confident that real progress is being made, never mind announced... but no, I read on further...

So what are these insights?

"Darran Lawless from Peel Land and Property revealed that he hopes the Blues could submit their application as soon as September." [emphasis added]. Yet this project slips further and further behind with every passing day

But never mind because this is the astounding Kenwright-sized luvvie gem from Denise Barrett-Baxendale: "It will sit beautifully as the Fourth Grace on Liverpool's waterfront.":

Arrrgh... Nooooooooo! After the small capacity, the inordinate delays and now this bullshit, I am seriously going off this project.

We're all a bit worn down by this (these) new stadium attempts, apathetic is how I feel now.

I'll believe it when I see it type of attitude, they will get it's way on this one without any real opposition.

52,000 is too small, I'd like to see the clubs thinking on this now that they've declared it's capacity.

This is a very similar design to the one in the leaked document recently on this sight and I have to say I like the look of it:

Stadion im Borussia-Park

However this is EFC!

Anyone seen the Liverpool Echo last few nights? Lots of nonesense stories about Bramley-Moore Stadium. Little Ms Dynamite spouting shite about the 4th Grace and intimidating atmospheres. It's fucking laughable as Dynamite Dennis then says we nearly have the finances. Ha ha, only at Everton.

Kenwright has found another pure gold Yes man to do his bidding in the form of the Soup-Kitchen Goddess, Denise. Absolute Joke.

"For God's sake, the man actually bought his own furniture."

We upped sticks and moved in ‘86. It did change our lives. However, I couldn't stay away, as the eldest my love for the place was and is eternal. It's a never-ending question to what would have happened if we'd stayed. Such an angry and sad time.

Anything which makes the city better is okay by me.

JP (#30); very similar.