Silva: It wasn”t a good game for us at all

Welcome to Everton, Marco, the land of the suffering.

How many games have they won at home this season? How many goals have they conceded?

Fuck off mate will ya!

We almost always fold when the expectation is on

Having said that, it baffles me how if one player appears to be below par, they all follow suit, and furthermore, Silva must be able to see it, and leaves the possibility of substitutes, to alter or influence the game, till it is far too late to have any effect.

We are crying out for a leader. It doesn't have to be the best player in the world - Troy Deeney does it for Watford. Anyone having an off game, or not putting themselves about, and he is on them. Where is our Neville/Cahill etc?

When the going gets tough, our players wilt. We are never going to get anywhere with these nice players we have got. Backbone is severely lacking. How can you beat Arsenal and Chelsea and then lose to Fulham for God's sake?

All of our players were second best today and did not play with any commitment or conviction from the first whistle.

As for the managers utterings they were just as shite.

I would give him to the end of the season but could not go through another season like this.

He picked the same team and they just didn't bother turning up in West London yesterday simple as.

Too many times we've seen this type of performance over the years with Everton, I recall under Moyes when we went to Wolves in May 2012 and they had lost NINE consecutive home games but held us to a 0-0 draw.

Yesterday proved again, well no not just yesterday but even last week and at West Ham, that we just aren't clinical in the final third and don't work the opposition keeper anything like enough.

We can say DCL works his bollox off, he does, he will put a real shift in for you, but he's just not a clinical striker, if he was then he'd have celebrated a hat trick at West Ham.

I look at the team and there still isn't enough goals in the mix outside of Sigurdsson and Richarlison.

Bernard is a beautiful footballer absolutely beautiful but if only he could finish more then he'd be the best thing since sliced bread.

Gomes is either amazing or absolutely abject, still throws in far too many performances like yesterday when question marks over mentality arise again.

Siggy has ran out of goals but it's hard to knock 13 from midfield isn't it, especially when no one else scores many.

Richarlison had one of his “just no” games again yesterday.

Lookman came on and as per usual did zilch, does he ever come on and do much or is it just me?

Walcott and Tosun were just, well Walcott and Tosun of 2018/19, enough said!

I'd like to say I was shocked by outcome but I've seen it too many times with this club over the years, too many false dawns and never any change.

The same 12 players started Vs Chelsea, W Ham and Arsenal. This was all good, continuity etc. Jagielka came in at short notice and did very well, earned his place for the next game, this shows the bench see, you do well, you reap the reward. So far, perfect manager theory 101.

Up to them going on the field Silva seemed to have got it spot on. I mean how hard can it be? what else have you got to do?...Same again lads, you all know the drill by now, etc.

Firstly the players have to look at themselves. Also Silva must too, based on the first 20 mins Jagielka was a liability. Silva must harden up and stop being Mr Nice Guy.

We hung (luckily) on until half time, then there should've been major ructions in the dressing rooms, hairdryers AND tea cups kicked all about. Players left in no doubt about what will and will not do.

It was that bad the live forum was clutching at the Mourinho straw, who was just sat there in cognito, as a spectator.

Watching the first half unfold it became clear by the 35 minute mark that it was a matter of time before Fulham scored, it was a miracle we got in at half time goalless.

Not one of our players was at the races and from the first minute with Pickford dicking about belting the ball at Jagielka it looked like being one of those days.

As I've said before, we've seen too many of these types of result and from Everton over the years under various management teams, it's a poor attitude and poor application that does it.

There seems to be no real standards set by the men at the top at Everton Football Club, no demand for success like that lot across the park for example and that's why these types of horror shows frequently come about.

Until standards are raised and people start looking at the club motto then I'd expect more like yesterday over the coming years, it's par for the course.

But if we get beaten by being less aggressive, less desire and slower to the ball than the likes of Fulham something is seriously wrong.

They were more fired up and more motivated. It is Silva's responsibility to make sure we match it at least or hopefully better it.

Not every now and again, but every single week, without fail and no excuses. When did Liverpool last look less motivated and play without desire? Not having the players fired up every week is the hallmark of mediocrity. Our club and fans demand more, being outfought and having less desire is unacceptable.

Whoever we play and whenever we play, if we cant match these fundamentals we will lose.

When will Everton learn that battles need to be won by matching or bettering opponents desire and aggression. Only then will superior footballers win the day.

Tried what? @21 Exactly. Anyone who saw that first half could see Jags was toast. So what does Silva do? Sweet fuck-all. Who knows if Keane would have made the difference? I suspect not, but at least it would have been some reaction to a shameful first 45.

He is, as Pat (19) points out, simply part of the malaise that has afflicted this club for 30 years. I would add, I remain of the view that the players themselves are gutless in his defence... but his inability to turn games around is down to him.

"This guy is a one-trick pony who does not seem to reflect on his own performance."

All managers do that. Judging by post match comments well beaten managers never seem to see the same match the fans saw and they certainly never own up to mistakes they made regarding tactics, subs etc. that may have contributed to that defeat.

I do wonder though after the mistaken subs he made in the Newcastle game by taking Richarlison off for Mina after they made it 2-1. It cost him in that game. So he may have been hesitant to make changes.

If Silva had changed the starting line-up yesterday he would have been criticised for departing from that tired old mantra ‘never change a winning team'. The problem with that mantra is that a winning team is not always the strongest team. I was very surprised he did not restore Keane to the starting line-up.

I said before we played Chelsea a few weeks back, that it was better we were playing the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd at home, rather than teams around us or near the bottom. By this I mean it would have kept the team fully focused on the match, and in turn help produce a good performance, after all we didn't want to be getting hammered by these teams. As it turned out, along with the good performance and result at West Ham, we did get good results, along with the performance against Chelsea and Arsenal.

Yesterday, however, it was probably over coincidence and complacency going into the match, which was our downfall. As John said on another thread, it was just as hard to pick our worst performer yesterday, as it had been our best performer from the last three games. Anyone of nine or ten could have qualified for worst player yesterday.

Hopefully next week man Utd can bring out the best in our team, and prove we can compete against the so called top six teams.

Just one final thing, when we got back into lime street last night, we went to Wetherspoons over the road. There was a girl there, a Man Utd fan, who had been to old Trafford. I asked her who she wanted to win the league, and what result she wanted in the forthcoming derby match. Naturally, she wants city to win the league and also city to win their derby match. She said this was pretty much the feelings of all United fans, certainly the ones who sit around her at Old Trafford. Just hope she's right.

None of that yesterday. I went on Betfair after ten minutes; it was a matter of time until we went behind. In the old days the striker who many disliked would bale us out with a goal or two, but we haven't replaced him, so there's no outlet.

Somebody needs to grab this club and impose some winning habits and standards. By all means let's slate the players, but it's the management's job to organise & motivate the players consistently.

I don't understand Silva, we play so well at West Ham and then collapse pathetically at Fulham.

It's a mental thing: until he fixes this issue, we are going nowhere.

They had it we didn't and until we instil desire into the club we will never get anywhere.

With the teams around us having games in hand we blew our chance at competing for 7th as if that wasn't enough incentive.

Everton never cease to let you down.

Just a bad Day at the office, move on to our next match, wheel the siren out and hopefully operation Goodison will kick in.

Say what you want about Silva, but it wasn't him out on the field miss-trapping the ball over the sideline, kicking the ball nowhere near its target, or mistaking Mitrovic's shadow for the player when trying to mark him.

I've supported Everton since 2002, and yesterday is more the norm for my experience following the club than the exception. I'd say it's been nothing but disappointment since about January 2005. I'll never support another team in the Premier League, but I'm beginning to wonder if it's really all worth it anymore.

I'm sorry but too many excuses are being found every time we return to what seems, overall, to be the norm for the season.

Ps Andre Gomes should be making a formal apology for what he did to Mitrovic, I can't call it a tackle, it was more of an assault. Embarrassing to see one of our own doing that.

He seems incapable of being able to change a game, when things aren't working, as we have seen at Southampton, Brighton, Millwall, Newcastle and now Fulham and the home matches v Huddersfield, West Ham, 'Spurs, and Wolves. These are just off the top of my head; there are probably other games I've wiped from my memory bank!

When the side clicks as v Arsenal and West Ham and the first half v Newcastle and second half v Chelsea we look a top class outfit but in far too many games we just aren't at the races and questions should be asked as to why that is.

The buck stops with Silva. That's his job and if he can't hack it he should be moved on. This seems unlikely to happen, this season, but we can't allow another shambolic season like this. He will start next season but if the same pattern emerges he should be moved on, sharpish.

How many other 'top' clubs would put up with the sort of stuff we had to endure last Saturday? It was a total embarrassment and shouldn't be tolerated at any club with an ounce of ambition.

I think he mentioned the goalkeeping coach's name, but it has come and gone in my head.

The coaches at Everton under Marco Silva are his assistant is Joao Pedro Sousa who joined Silva when he took over at Estoril. Fitness coach is Pedro Conceiao again joined Silva when at Estoril. Goalkeeper coach is Hugo Olivera he was G/K coach at Benfica for 6 years and was also the Portuguese national team G/K under Carlos Queiroz.

I guess unless you could get inside Finch Farm, then I have no idea if they are shouters or not.
The only other first team coach is Duncan Ferguson.