Patience is required. We must hold our nerve.

Dylan Joseph 29/08/2019 60comments  |  Jump to last

Evertonians, it has to be said, are amongst the most bi-polar of football fans. I include myself in that contingent.

A good result and all is well in the world; the ropey moments in the game we have just won are forgotten about and overlooked. The reverse is true if we lose. The world can be black, the players awful and the manager comes under scrutiny.

Now, when Marco Silva was appointed while Antonio Conte was on the market I won’t pretend that I was overjoyed at the prospect of a guy who had previously relegated Hull City and then been fired halfway through a season with Watford taking over the reins.

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I don’t think Marco has done anything yet which has made my nervousness abate as, despite some fantastic results, we have also had some catastrophic ones. The defeat away to an already-relegated Fulham and last Friday’s humbling at newly-promoted Aston Villa spring to mind as low points.

I got to thinking about this when Sky did their usual net spending graphic. Since Farhad Moshiri came into our club we are the fourth-highest spending Premier League club and yet we have not improved on the 5th-place finish achieved by Roberto Martinez or the 4th spot and cup final achieved by David Moyes on the shoestring budget afforded by Bill Kenwright.

So should we expect more instant success then with this influx of cash? Should we change our manager all the time like Chelsea do?

Let’s start with some truth bombs:

  1. When people know you have money, they charge more money for their asset. A case in point: go to Panoramic 34 for a drink. A bottle of beer which is £3 everywhere else is suddenly £6.50. Why? Because, if you go in there, they know you ain’t collecting a giro or struggling to get by.
  2. Bill Kenwright and David Moyes over-achieved for years and years. We had a squad of players who were committed professionals and our scouting and recruitment were exemplary. Moyes got a couple wrong (Per Krøldrup anyone?) but a record of Coleman, Arteta, Cahill, Yakubu, Jagielka, Baines, Howard, Gravesen for the same price as Cenk Tosun is legendary.
  3. All the clubs that have been successful and are currently successful have generally stuck with their management teams for 4 years or more. In the case of Liverpool and Manchester City, they both have world-class managers but the foundations for their success have taken years and years to achieve. I often drive past a small town that Man City have built in East Manchester and it is beyond impressive and shows that the club take player well-being and development seriously. This can be seen in the Amazon documentary also.
  4. Did you ever have a part time job as a kid, or a paper round? I did both and remember one summer I saved all summer for no particular reason. By the end of August, I had about £150 in my hand, which was a sizeable amount in the early 90s (you could buy a Sony Walkman for £79).

I had months and months of pent-up frustration, you might call it, at not spending a penny so I went out and blew the lot in an afternoon. I bought some right garbage. I remember buying a QuikSilver coat three sizes too big because it looked cool and about three vinyl LPs despite not owning a record player! (Luckily for me, one of them was Blue Lines and another was Definitely Maybe — first print runs, so they are worth more than my car is now!)

Anyway, the point being is that I felt like I had to spend without knowing what the hell I was buying. I think this was the same as what happened at Everton when Farhad came in. Years and years of living on scraps and free transfers and loans. Bang, have Oumar Niasse! Bang, have Yannick Bolasie! Bang, have Ramiro Funes Mori! Bang, have Davy Klaassen! Bang, have Theo Walcott!

On reflection, all really poor purchases; all regrettable and unlike my lucky purchase of LPs all worth considerably less than what we paid for them.

So, I’m finally getting to my point. Under Marcel Brands we have adopted a different strategy. We are buying potential now. Young, talented players who, if they make it, could be exceptional such as Kean, Gbamin, Bernard, Richarlison, Digne, Mina, Gomes. We have also complemented that with top professionals like Delph.

I think this is the right strategy and should be applauded but it will take time. We are not at a stage where we can buy a £70M midfielder to compete with Fernandino or a £50M right-back to compete with Kyle Walker. Our pull is not as great as Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs so we have to build slowly.

To that end, I think Marco should be given time. If this season is not as successful as we want it to be then keep building and keep faith.

When I was watching Fat Sam shout at Jags to pump it long to Tosun so that Bolasie might win the resulting knockdown, the team we can now put out would have seemed a lifetime away.

Momentous changes are happening at our club with the stadium, the first team transformation and the evolution of our style and our philosophy. Patience, though in short supply, is now required. We must support the team and allow Marcel and Marco to create a brighter future. It’s easy being negative. It’s easy being frustrated. Let’s not forget the mess that both men came into. Let’s not forget that not long ago we had three No 10s and not one decent central midfielder.

Up the Toffees!

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Mike Gaynes
1 Posted 29/08/2019 at 20:05:39
Dylan, I heartily agree.

However, I would point out that whether we, as fans, "hold our nerve" or panic and run around like chickens in a feed lot is ultimately irrelevant to whether the club succeeds with its long-term plan.

And patience is no fun. Venting is a lot more enjoyable.

Dermot Byrne
2 Posted 29/08/2019 at 20:14:16
Dylan...bang on but you will put TW out of business!
Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 29/08/2019 at 20:32:51
Patient or not, I think it's unlikely Everton would entertain replacing Silva any time soon unless we have a diabolical run that sees us drop into and stay in the relegation zone for a lengthy period. Financially, it wouldn't make sense after the costs around paying off Watford, not to mention Sam, Ron and Roberto.

Money aside, I don't sense that he is in trouble. Obviously, no one is doing cart wheels yet but I think most fans think that he needs more time to prove himself as a winner or otherwise.

Don Alexander
4 Posted 29/08/2019 at 21:18:13
When M&M were signed up I posted it would take up to three seasons to change the club from the Kenwright model that destroyed it as a contender for trophies or good football. I stand by that, but I admit I'm still mystified by the large amount of laboured play we so often have to see from them in the Premier League.
Kunal Desai
5 Posted 29/08/2019 at 21:51:07
Silva will most probably leave at the end of next season without winning any silverware and finishing outside the top 6. That would probably represent a satisfactory return for the Everton hierarchy.
Oliver Molloy
6 Posted 29/08/2019 at 21:51:17
how much is your car worth then?
Andy Crooks
7 Posted 29/08/2019 at 22:03:12
I like the article, Dylan, I disagree with point 2. In my view Moyes over achieved for quite a few years. I would not mention Kenwright in the same sentence.
Oliver, you raise a fair point. I considered trading in my car for a four pack of Primark underpants.
Jamie Crowley
8 Posted 29/08/2019 at 22:42:32
I couldn't agree more Dylan! You're spot on.

I bitch a lot. I'm very good at it, and it comes naturally.

But in the end, we simply have to look longer term.

It frustrates the hell out of me seeing a team drop points to inferior opposition. I want more for the Club. It also frustrates me seeing us play the ball out wide so often, being 13th in shots attempted and 20th in shots on target in league play through 3 games. There's 3-4 formations I'd like to see, but never do.

The list goes on and on.

BUT!

I said after last season we simply must give Marco three full seasons to fully implement his style and get his team together - through Brands - so we can see what he can do.

I stand by that, despite the rants and frustration.

Everton can not be a team chopping and changing managers every 12 to 18 months. Your call for patience is a solid one.

It still won't stop me from kicking up a storm if we lose on Sunday. But I won't be one calling for the manager's head any time soon.

There's a hurricane coming. And I don't mean Everton - literally a hurricane is barreling down at Florida. My only concern right now is being able to watch the game on Sunday! ;0) Baby steps.

Derek Thomas
9 Posted 30/08/2019 at 01:04:40
Yep, let’s look long term, really long term like 5pm Sunday. Take it one game at a time until a trend develops, then say early November see if we like the direction of this trend.
Jim Harrison
10 Posted 30/08/2019 at 02:54:09
I agree with most of what you say, except that the defeat against Villa was humbling. Deeply frustrating, but they hardly battered us. The team just didn’t perform and even then had the lions share of possession and chances.
Alexander Murphy
11 Posted 30/08/2019 at 07:19:31
Watching the Lincoln game on Wednesday night with a bunch of Blues, whilst there was a pretty wide spectrum of opinion on display regarding players, tactics and management, what was common was "You can depend on Everton to make life difficult".

We live and breath Everton with every single breath. And Everton can make the simple act of breathing in a strain, we hold it in hope and anticipation and exhaling is yet another deflation.

When we get together, away from the prying ears of our shameless neighbours, we enter our mutually cathartic state. We fucking moan and moan and moan. Then we play our IF game, in the folorn hope of one better day.

We play IF to try and raise each others spirits, to garner enough strength not to enjoy, just to endure.

To be honest, I've realised a couple of years back that I probably love Evertonians more than I love Everton.
Evertonians simply are " those who understand".

Alastair Donaldson
12 Posted 30/08/2019 at 08:37:52
My prediction is Everton will get an average of 2pts per game this season, finishing on an impressive 76 which should secure 4th at least. After 2 games we are below target but with two wins coming up we'll be on 10 out of a possible 15. Trust me, it's gonna happen 😀
Stan Schofield
13 Posted 30/08/2019 at 09:25:33
Alexander@11: That's very well put. I sometimes think I get more pleasure from ToffeeWeb than from watching Everton.

Alastair@12: I hope you're right. We need to get out of the midtable cycle of 45 to 60 points, and should be able to do that finally, given the quality of players and strength in depth that we now have.

Paul Birmingham
14 Posted 30/08/2019 at 09:54:07
Excellent read Dylan and well considered.
I just got back from Greece, this time Rhodes.

My first time in a Rhodes and first time back in Greece in 24 years.

My son was wearing his EFC shirt in a sports shop in a Rhodes town, and it was an ex Ehtnikos Piraeus player who owned the shop, as he spotted us.

Long story short we spoke for ages, got a good deal on some under armour shorts for my son, good family pictures with the ex player, but the missus was impressed too with his enthusiasm and his tales of the past, under Howard Kendalls stint there.

That’s another Ilyiad for pub conversation on match day only.

I reflect on life and being an Evertonian, where we eat, sleep and breathe the club every day, and my salvation and solace is that things can only get better for EFC.

There’s a new structure new management philosophy and so, I’m hoping soon we break the time freeze and win silver this season.

We’ve all got a thousand stories each and more but whilst the agony of being trophyless for so long is like a Curse from the Gods, the laughs and banter along this journey can’t be bought.

But in football Money does talk but doesn’t guarantee success.

This journey will be a long one, but we now have a direction at the club. It’s going in the right way but my self included I don’t expect anything more than 100% effort and if we loose trying our best I don’t mind.

But the basics, the A,B,C,s of football, - focus, passion, determination, shape, team spirit, controlled aggression and the rest must be upheld on the park for 97 minutes.

At the moment we make too many mistakes, and that’s the difference between us and the so called top 5.

Now for a Greek epic and destroy the Wolves in good style.

Clive Rogers
15 Posted 30/08/2019 at 09:57:42
Kenwright turned us into a small club and had no vision whatsoever. Moshiri has given Goodison ah impressive facelift at a cost of a couple of hundred thousand. Why didn’t Kenwright do that in his twenty years? Can’t think of anything he did that was positive.
Derek Taylor
16 Posted 30/08/2019 at 10:18:11
Suffer a run of Villa- like defeats ('performances' are irrelevant ) and Silva will be a gonner. Even a flirtation with a bottom six position will put the wind up the owners given their commitment to finding £500 million for the BM project. Just as it should do !

Dave Harvey
17 Posted 30/08/2019 at 10:29:37
The one question I ask is, are there still players that would bust a gut to play for the team? Is it all about getting the most money or would players still play for £40/50 grand a year – a well paid job?
David Pearl
18 Posted 30/08/2019 at 11:00:25
Dave,
is that a serious question?

Clive,
Kenwright was a different era when very few had money. His job was to keep us afloat while trying to propel us forward using Moyes. Both did a good job during that time. It could of been so much worse.

Ken Kneale
19 Posted 30/08/2019 at 11:40:47
Dave 18. Kenwright made us a small time club and I cannot name one thing he did to propel us forward. History will judge his period of tenure very harshly, presiding over false promises and failed ideas during which time the status of Everton as a footballing power dwindled
Raymond Fox
20 Posted 30/08/2019 at 12:13:12
Good article Dylan I agree with 90% of what you say, the only point that I don't is that we can build slowly.
That strategy wont work for the reason that's being discussed on another thread, the fact that our best players are tempted to Champion League clubs.
No, in my opinion the only way that we will break the top 4 is for Moshiri and maybe his Russian friend to have an enormous gamble at the start of a season and spend a fortune in transfer fees and wages, its very risky but I don't see the current strategy succeeding.
Now, with all the expense of the new ground project happening a the moment and hopefully the near future I doubt whether the gamble will happen for a few years.
Of course it my never happen, but City have shown it is possible.
Dave Harvey
21 Posted 30/08/2019 at 12:16:09
Another question is: Would a decent player at Everton on £100k week go to say Man City for £50k a week? Does it matter anymore what team you play for?? Is it all about the money???
James Lauwervine
22 Posted 30/08/2019 at 12:52:14
Good article Dylan, I agree with pretty much everything you've written. When I think back to the horrible 17-18 season and the apathy I felt then we have already come a long way. Definitely (maybe) a work in progress.
Clive Rogers
23 Posted 30/08/2019 at 14:04:24
David, I don’t agree. Kenwright refused to make way for people with money. He put himself before the club.
Jay Harris
24 Posted 30/08/2019 at 15:08:06
Dylan,
Great post and very appropriate. We are all desperate for some success but we have to remember the new recruits and quite a few of our internationals did not get a preseason together so are only getting used to each others game now. It will be Xmas before we should start looking at what we can achieve with these players and this manager so your plea is very appropriate.

Jamie, Dorian isn't supposed to hit us until Monday night so the game should be safe. However I would like to wish all Floridian evertonians (and the non believers) a safe passage trough this one.

David,
Kenwright is nothing but a self serving egotist who has not put one penny of his own money into the club but has made himself a multi millionaire out of it through his lies and deceit. It was he who nearly took the club under not PJ. If we hadnt sold Rooney we would have been in the shit. PJ left Kenwright a net asset position which within 2 years of Kenwrights reign had turned into a net liability. There are 2 fallacies that many still believe.
1. That Kenwright mortgaged his house to buy Everton. He did not!!

2. Everton was in financial trouble when he took over. It wasnt. It was just that the overdraft facilities that Johnson had personally guaranteed was no longer available and Kenwright couldnt and wouldnt personally guarantee them.

Andrew Clare
25 Posted 30/08/2019 at 15:29:28
Kenwright although a big Evertonian was never the right man to buy the club. As of the original big five it meant years in the wilderness for Everton because a big club needs big money to progress. Kenwright was relatively poor compared to the owners of Everton’s rivals, Liverpool, Spurs, United and Arsenal. To think that we had won more titles than all of them except Liverpool at the advent of the EPL makes me want to cry. Now the media just look at us like some boring mid-table club that can never get it right a break into their beloved top six.
I know it’s been a long time but we still have to be patient and bear with Marco Silva.
John Pierce
26 Posted 30/08/2019 at 16:49:30
Building slowly and patiently is not good enough.

Other clubs will and are overtaking us. It’s akin to standing still. The average premier league manager tenure is 18months. If you haven’t got it right by then, well you’re lucky if you are still in a job.

It’s not even about staying up now, with nearly all the competitions out of reach for most clubs the key to staying in your post is playing attractive football, no matter the results.

Several big sides have been relegated and rejuvenated as a result. Sure several have disappeared too.

I’m not suggesting we get relegated to ‘find ourselves’ however Silva has six months to get his act together and give us attractive football and tangible progress on last year. I doubt that will be the case.

If he doesn’t and stays on, well that’s says more about Brands and Moshiri’s ambition than Silva's performance.

To rejuvenate a squad after 18months is tough, especially if you are not much further on than when you started. You’ve done most of your shopping and well if your message isn’t working it’s almost certainly on the wane. So what the point of keeping someone on?

Time is a factor, the lack of it. I’m afraid patience for a manager is rare and much rarer in the modern era is success as a result of patience.

The best coach in the world, Guardiola knows three years is the maximum for a stag at a club before players and the coach tire of each other.

Tony Everan
27 Posted 30/08/2019 at 17:01:22
Sod patience I've had it up to here with that. I want a cup, I want top 6, I want it now.

[or later in the season at a push]

Anthony A Hughes
28 Posted 30/08/2019 at 17:14:48
I think we've been patient long enough.
We need to get a shake on and push on for trophies and Champions League or as said by John we'll be left behind.
Clive Rogers
29 Posted 30/08/2019 at 17:24:16
Credit where it’s due, Moshiri is a breath of fresh air compared to Kenwright, and it’s not just his money.
Mike Allison
30 Posted 30/08/2019 at 17:27:54
Tony, Anthony, unfortunately you don’t get things just by wanting them. The point about patience is that people advocate it as the best way of getting what you want. Taking short term, impatient decisions doesn’t get you too 6 and a cup, and it can damage the things being put in place that could bring top 6 and a cup in the medium and longer term.

Having said that, both of those things are realistic possibilities for this season, the big question is: how do we react if we fail to achieve them? Do we rip it up and start again or look to make more gradual improvements whilst maintaining continuity?

Clive Rogers
31 Posted 30/08/2019 at 17:34:00
I don’t think personally we are building slowly. The players we have bought in the last two summers have largely been good buys with a world class player, Digne, and a potential great in Kean. Also top players in Iwobi and Delph. This team will kick on this year after a settling in period, and after next summer the sky will be the limit. Have faith.
Anthony A Hughes
32 Posted 30/08/2019 at 17:38:34
I get what your saying Mike but we seem to be constantly following the dangling, jam coated carrot of 3 year projects.
Jay Harris
33 Posted 30/08/2019 at 17:41:25
John,
I was never happy with the appointment of Silva feeling that we had got another Martinez, relegation manager.

However when the crowd got behind the team in the second half of the season, Silva had the squad for 17 days during the break and the confidence grew we looked a different team altogether.

On that basis alone I believe Silva deserves more time, however if you look at us and Man U, we have both chopped and changed managers, spent a fortune on new players and still made no progress so I am prepared to be a bit more patient this season.

Tony Hill
34 Posted 30/08/2019 at 17:45:42
I agree, Clive@31. I was especially struck by Delph on Wednesday. He might, fitness permitting, be the heart and brain we have lacked for a very long time. Barry was excellent for us but we got him three years too late.
Clive Rogers
35 Posted 30/08/2019 at 18:01:40
Anthony, 32, there weren’t any 3 year projects under Kenwright, or any other length of project. This is the first, but the first year went wrong, so there are still 2 years to go. We are on our way.
Tony Abrahams
36 Posted 30/08/2019 at 18:03:06
I just flew over your house last night Jamie, and hope that this storm doesn’t develop into one of those natural disasters mate.

The reason I’m desperate is because Kenwright and Moyes pissed in each other’s pockets, turned us into plucky little Everton, and this is probably why people haven’t got much patience anymore for slow and steady progress?

Evertonians are desperate for success, and I honestly believe some of the anger is because they genuinely love their club so much, and are just desperate to see us win a cup and become competitive again.

Gerry Quinn
37 Posted 30/08/2019 at 18:03:31
Jamie, #8 - having survived Ike and Rita (just) in Houston, my advice to you would be to keep monitoring ToffeeWeb as much as you can - and make sure you buy ice for the Cool Box beer cans!

Excellent website, if you aren't familiar with it, is Mike's Weather Page...

https://spaghettimodels.com/

I used it all of the time for sending updates to all vessels working in the Gulf of Mexico.

Also, there is a brilliant Lightening page towards the bottom of the page - Brits will love this, especially with the sound on and the Strikes ticked for sound.

Wishing all you Floridians the best of luck in these coming days - stay safe, and stay blue

Gerry Quinn
38 Posted 30/08/2019 at 18:18:40
Apologies, I meant Lightning...

Lightening is the present participle of the verb lighten.
Lightning is the electrical discharge that happens during storms.

It’s rare that dropping the letter E can turn a word from mundane to frightening. But that’s what happens when you drop the E from lightening - it stops making things lighter and brighter and it turns into a natural phenomenon many people find scary.

Jay Harris
39 Posted 30/08/2019 at 18:32:08
Gerry,
Thanks for that tip.

It makes much better reading than the media frenzy all over TV.

I see youre sending them all our way since you moved to Houston.

Jay Harris
40 Posted 30/08/2019 at 18:41:37
For those interested it looks like the U23 game V Southampton is on you tube in 20 minutes.

Baningeme, Gordon and Lewis Gibson set to feature.

Dave Abrahams
41 Posted 30/08/2019 at 18:53:24
Jay (40) Lewis Gibson is not down to play, Feeney and Foulds are the centre backs, according to the teamsheet, I thought Gibson had been training with the first team, but on another Everton website he is said to be injured.
Brent Stephens
42 Posted 30/08/2019 at 18:54:11
Would like to see Ellis Simms come on as sub
Brent Stephens
43 Posted 30/08/2019 at 18:55:16
Gibson not starting or sub
Derek Taylor
44 Posted 30/08/2019 at 19:00:10
I'd settle for 'tempest' to cover all of it ! Returning to the subject of patience with the newcomers, I expect to see only Delph getting a starting place against Wolves with the others in a queue for the statutory 65minute call up !
Anthony A Hughes
45 Posted 30/08/2019 at 20:00:37
Clive, Martinez was a three year project, Koeman was a three year project if I remember rightly
Clive Rogers
46 Posted 30/08/2019 at 22:40:45
Anthony, Kenwright appointed Martinez. It was a stopgap and a shocking appointment, he really hadn’t a clue. Koeman was a Moshiri appointment but a massive disappointment who just didn’t get EFC and only came for the money. He preferred playing golf to managing us. Kenwright appointed two managers, both from the championship, both stopgaps as Kenwright had given up on success and had settled for survival.
Brian Williams
47 Posted 30/08/2019 at 23:00:44
And yet Martinez got us to our highest league position since 08/09.
Jerome Shields
48 Posted 31/08/2019 at 01:13:16
Dylan you are right that patience is required, but I do not accept that the 20 years prior to Moshiri was successful or right for a Club that should have been challenging in all competitions and didn't and when they did got found out.

Moshiri bought into the hypothesis that money was the answer as we all did for the previous twenty years. The media kept telling us this was the case and we should all be grateful.

At least we didn't lose the millions that Moshiri did as a result of this, as the true left of competence / capability and motives where revealed. But a lot of people made a lot of money out of this and the club went backwards. Everton are still paying for this today many of these people are still at Everton today and others that left had their hands full of cash.

There has been a partial turn around. The Brands appointment had improved the competence level. Silva is in a atmosphere where if he has ability this will be enhanced. At last we are buying promising players and more importantly attracting them. I agree Everton have done in past, but the level of competence was not present to develop them to challenge in competition.

Silva does seem to have ability, but the question is does he have the level of competence to challenge in competitions. He has two more year to prove this and at times does look, with the help of Brands, to be moving in the right directions. He will see out his contract.

The problem is that the same level of inconsistency that has dogged Everton for years still exists. The turnaround is partial, but the level of competent throughout the Club from top to bottom has to change if Everton are to challenge in any of the competitions they enter. This also applies to the Everton Club development plan and the Stadium Project, which are all surrounded by more questions, than answers.

To keep Brands, Silva and promising players of potential and attract new talent it is essential that Everton are progressing and challenging. They will not be as patient as we might be, but this mindset is converging with that of Everton Fans , as they are demanding progress and not accept the experience of those 20 wasted years.

Everton Fans contribution is important in achieving this objective whether they are patient or not.

Bob Parrington
49 Posted 31/08/2019 at 02:14:58
Jerome #48 If I get what you say right, one of the points you are making is that the clubs results in all quarters will depend on the weakest links. I agree with this. Moshiri didn't get to where he is by putting up with mediocre links in his business environment. He appears to be prepared to make mistakes and, if and when they come to light aka Koeman, he is gets on with making the required changes.

I like this. It takes a while to build a fortress. Much has happened for the good, particularly during the last 15 months or so. Big changes in playing staff is an example and we see that continuing with some great signings, Kevin Mirallas leaving on a permanent basis this week and another youngster out on loan. All this makes sense to the wages account. Impressive performance by Brands and Silva in this area of business.

Personally, I've felt through the past several seasons that there are 'back room' problems that rock the boat but I haven't been able to pin point where the key bad egg(s) is/are. One is often enough to cause poor attitude in a few.

Hopefully, if I am right, the node of this will be unearthed and dealt with quickly and effectively.

COYB. Currently the missus and I are travelling through USA, Eire and then GB in time to be there for the Citeh game! I'm expecting another so called UPSET in our favour!

John Pierce
50 Posted 31/08/2019 at 04:24:26
The problem is Dylan the very good players we have, I reckon 2/3, will out grow the club on the timelines you outline, having to replenish those players is very difficult.

Declining to sell them only creates problems. It’s not an option.

The patient approach just puts you back to square one. To keep those players, you have to grow with them (at their pace), you have to do more than plod steadily. You have to win a cup, you must be in Europe and be a contender for 4th place.

If we do not make Europe as minimum this year; Richarlison, Digne and perhaps even Kean will be targeted by those who have. All will think about leaving and sorry I couldn’t blame them.

We have no European football and a lot of potential, several clubs in our bracket are in flux. There is no excuse for further transition or that doesn’t have us competing. The window is now not at the end of year three of Silva’s contract.

I think it’s the coach who is holding us back, however he has got some time yet, but not much.

Gary Sedgwick
51 Posted 31/08/2019 at 05:48:29
Quotes:

"Suffer a run of Villa- like defeats ('performances' are irrelevant ) and Silva will be a gonner."

"Building slowly and patiently is not good enough. Other clubs will and are overtaking us. It’s akin to standing still. The average premier league manager tenure is 18 months. If you haven’t got it right by then, well you’re lucky if you are still in a job."

"I think we've been patient long enough."

Response:

Sir Alex Ferguson. Early into his tenure rumours abounded his job was insecure -how much silverware did MUFC win under his leadership and how have they fared since his departure?

Howard Kendall. Early into his tenure rumours abounded his job was insecure -how much silverware did EFC win under his leadership and how have they fared since his departure?

Jürgen Klopp. Appointed October 2015, LFC finished eighth in the PL. Since then two cup final losses, pressing for PL title regularly and the current CL holder.

Mauricio Pochettino. Appointed May 2014. THFC elevated to a regular top "1 - 6" team and a relatively formidable team in the CL.

Arsenal should have let Wenger leave many years ago and look at Chelsea. I think they are in a worse shape than any "top six" team. As for MCFC... no comment as they have a top class manager and an accounting group that somehow manages to keep the club within the FIFA "Fair Play" laws - despite their finances having been "investigated" on more than a single occasion.

I am not writing that SIlva is the man we need but that we should afford him time. Would I be happy with a season where we finished lower than last?

The answer is no but a Cup (any Cup) win would temper my angst.

Give the man another season(ish) and if things are looking bleak then, yes, perhaps he isn't the man for the job.

Thomas Lennon
52 Posted 31/08/2019 at 08:22:55
It is year 2002 (ish), you have seen Everton decline for 15 years and the last owner has just taken £20 million out of the club and left.
You have seen no interested buyers with significant funding appear.
You have a stadium and training ground designed for the 1960's while your biggest opponents are modernising with huge new stadia on the way.
Your squad is unaffordable, relegation is a serious threat and you have £0 to invest.
There are 40 000 people expecting you to win the title within 5 years.

What would you do?

Stan Schofield
53 Posted 31/08/2019 at 08:55:17
It's not really a question of being patient or not, but a question of what practically is required to at least provide some progress.

Patience is a virtue, but at the same time if we don't start showing some substantial progress then our best players will leave for better pastures, and our cycle repeats itself.

In this respect, unless we start showing something this season, it's conceivable that players like Digne and Richie could be gone within a couple of years, and finding good replacements is never easy.

What would demonstrate substantial improvement this season? Probably qualifying for the CL and having a good go at the cups.

Jerome Shields
54 Posted 31/08/2019 at 09:58:35
Bob#49

You are right there are unlying problems that have to be addressed. None of us know what the overall plan is. We all assume that the plan is to challenge in all competitions, to develop the Club commercially and build a new Stadium. This is the same objective we have believed in for years.

The Club has never announced clear objectives. We have received a series of announcements regarding the team, develop of Everton commercially, the Stadium and of course Everton in the Community.

We know Moshiri has acted alone to develop the playing side recruiting Brands, insisting he is on the Board and recruiting Silva. As for the other areas, where is there evidence of actual action for change ; Backroom staff, Commercial plan and a overall Financial plan, incorporating a Stadium Development Project. Moshiri does have two representatives on the Board , but the financial director is acting more as a internal auditor at this stage.

We can be patient if we see action, but we have to be careful that are patience is being asked for by , PR announcements to keep us happy, while no actual evidence for action for change is taking place.

At all levels of football and team games it take a Club to be effectively run both on and off the field of play, if they are to win anything. This is a characteristic of all winning team. It their Culture, Everton have only partially got that attitude. There are people within Everton who do not believe that Everton can win anything, because that is the level of achievement they are capable of and they have never been challenged to achieve or been told their performance in not good enough.

I expect Moshiri is looking at this aspect of Everton.

Jerome Shields
55 Posted 31/08/2019 at 09:58:35
Bob#49

You are right there are unlying problems that have to be addressed. None of us know what the overall plan is. We all assume that the plan is to challenge in all competitions, to develop the Club commercially and build a new Stadium. This is the same objective we have believed in for years.

The Club has never announced clear objectives. We have received a series of announcements regarding the team, develop of Everton commercially, the Stadium and of course Everton in the Community.

We know Moshiri has acted alone to develop the playing side recruiting Brands, insisting he is on the Board and recruiting Silva. As for the other areas, where is there evidence of actual action for change ; Backroom staff, Commercial plan and a overall Financial plan, incorporating a Stadium Development Project. Moshiri does have two representatives on the Board , but the financial director is acting more as a internal auditor at this stage.

We can be patient if we see action, but we have to be careful that are patience is being asked for by , PR announcements to keep us happy, while no actual evidence for action for change is taking place.

At all levels of football and team games it take a Club to be effectively run both on and off the field of play, if they are to win anything. This is a characteristic of all winning team. It their Culture, Everton have only partially got that attitude. There are people within Everton who do not believe that Everton can win anything, because that is the level of achievement they are capable of and they have never been challenged to achieve or been told their performance in not good enough.

I expect Moshiri is looking at this aspect of Everton.

Jerome Shields
56 Posted 31/08/2019 at 10:03:24
Hopefully Moshiri is impatient.
Eddie Dunn
57 Posted 31/08/2019 at 10:41:06
The big problem was that to gain momentum, to put ourselves up with the best, we had to ditch the conservatism and go to Villa for the victory. It didn't happen.
Silva reverts to type. Stay in the game, then try to win it with 25 mins left. Unfortunately we often fall behind before the subs, leaving us with a frantic 20 minutes where joined-up football is more difficult.
Silva is under the same pressure as the other PL coaches -they know they need to stay in the division, he wont be sacked for finishing 7th,8th or 9th.
He won't put his head on the block and start with Iwobi and Kean on Sunday versus Wolves.
My point is, he could have gone for it at Villa, and it could have paid off. Imagine being in the top three for a week he didn't go for it and it didn't happen.
He got through at Lincoln but watch out for his picks on Sunday he will have two defensive midfielders and one up top.
James Stewart
58 Posted 31/08/2019 at 16:37:23
A lot well said although I would argue there have been moments when Silva has not covered himself in glory.

I would also say Silva's whole regime now rests on Kean's young shoulders. If you don't have a goalscorer, this league is unforgiving. Just look at WHU now picking up points with Haller in their team ( a player we should have been looking at). In fact every top 10 team has a quality striker bar us. Hopefully Kean can step up because if he doesn't it will be a grim long season relying on dcl for goals.

Alan J Thompson
59 Posted 31/08/2019 at 17:21:11
Stan(#53); My thoughts are very similar to yours, should we be seeing a gradual and continuous improvement or is there a period of time until the Big Bang moment. I'm just surprised that we see the continual regurgitation of those events that must pass before reaching the much desired but not quite promised land; give him 3 seasons, X number of transfer windows, HIS team, players knowing HIS system. when the "deadwood" has been removed albeit he doesn't play those so designated.

Presently he has not managed to equal the first seasons of the two previous managers who had them but has equalled that of the last "half season" manager while seemingly improving the style of play. Leaving aside my dislike of the on message, positive press conferences, the onfield performances still seem to be erratic and some are in raptures at beating somebody from the third tier of English football whilst forgetting the previous dismal result.

I'll believe it when something is put on the sideboard and/or qualify for the cashcow competition that seems to define success but I'm not sure I'll have the patience at the rate of improvement shown so far under this manager.

Ken Kneale
60 Posted 31/08/2019 at 22:18:30
Eddie 57 and Alan 59. I am with your comments. I don't have too much "patience" when as you point out, we seem to start many games with a 'let's hang on' mentality then end up chasing games without any clear team pattern of play to define us.

Let's bring back fluent attacking football back to Goodison instead of the drab lifeless stuff that sadly is often the norm over recent decades. That is what defined our clubs history not being so-called 'plucky underdogs' that Moyes and Kenwright enjoyed proclaiming for their own self-interest.

A single win over lower league opposition, as Alan outlines, does not qualify me to go into raptures unless it is followed up with a stirring performance and a catalyst to a season of attractive, winning football,

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