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1 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:18:42
Yes the examples of Pochettino and Simeone can be brought forward but we have been in similar positions regarding player comparisons over the years and its gone pear shaped.
Any new manager to the league is a risk especially one with no European experience.
For every Pochettino there will be a Pepe Mel.
For every Arsene Wenger there will be a Jacques Santini.
Maybe its all about luck?
Perhaps we are poor at character judgments?
But we never seem to pull off many “little known gems” from far flung places.
Maybe Gallardo will be a great manager in time, but whether hes right for the monumental challenge that the Everton job has become, Im not sure if its the ideal time to try such a off the radar experiment.
2 Posted 04/12/2019 at 08:36:32
3 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:07:12
4 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:10:12
We couldn't have Marcel and Marcelo. Is he Brands' little brother ?
5 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:10:13
Anyway as our resident experts reckon 442 is dead he'd have no chance if that's what he prefers
6 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:32:14
John, he doesn't play what would we consider 442, he plays a 4222 or a 41212. His 442 is very similar to Silva's 4231 when Sigurdsson pushes alongside the striker and they press high. One of the central two in the midfield sits deep and protects the defence giving a platform for the others to attack. It's a flexible formation.
Sam Hoard was the first to raise Gallardo as a possibility, and since then his profile has only risen. There's a lot being written about him if you want to google it you'll find lots of analysis of him and his management style. There's lots of videos analysing his teams too.
This is definitely a coup for Everton, if we can land him. He will be someone who will attract players, he will be someone our players will be interested to work under, and it's the perfect time to get him in. He's a great age, with trophies and experience in the bank but still young (for a manager) enough to be hungry and have a burning desire to reach the top.
As I said elsewhere, it's great to be linked to him rather than Moyes, or Hughes. If Everton want to reach the top again, we need to gamble on someone like Gallardo, and we need to trust Brands has done his homework and knows what he is doing. If Brands wants Gallardo, let's get him.
7 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:52:59
It would be a very bold move and he doesn't strike me as the fire fighter we might be needing if we don't hit 20 points by January.
I will enjoy reading this thread before I switch off my phone, laptop and go down into the underground bunker at around 7pm tonight.
8 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:55:02
9 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:12:14
10 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:21:29
11 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:43:27
12 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:46:30
That said, I think Barca are now top of La Liga as things are turning around a little for Valverde, so maybe Goodison is the next best after the Camp Nou!
13 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:49:55
Likes of Allegri, Poch or Simeone are clearly out of reach so not a bad call. Has won something, can work long-term and seemingly not fearful. Do we have guarantee that it will work like a dream? Absolutely not. Never have that guarantee with anyone. This rot has to be stopped now, that's all.
14 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:07:40
15 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:19:15
We ve tried managers from Wigan, Southampton, Watford etc and they have not worked out. We cant attract a manager from the existing European elite, so looking to South America's current rising stars makes complete sense.
Barca can pick whoever they want so don't need to gamble and as previously said, prefer managers who have been ingrained in the Barca way.
16 Posted 04/12/2019 at 12:45:34
Anybody really thinking this through? So Simione comes, gets £100million to spend in the January window, a No 9 who will knock in 20 goals in 19 or 20 games, a couple more with steel and we stay up, winning 14 games???
Oh, we beat Liverpool 4-0 in their pigsty, go on to win the FA Cup. Oh, by a bit of luck, we beat them tonight and at home. They rocked to their boots and lose the league cos of us beating the crap out of them.
17 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:09:08
I think the players will respond to a guy like this but, as Steve Ferns has said many times, the biggest problem this club has is getting rid of some of the players on huge wages who are not giving a 100%, its next to impossible.
Also for all the people who say Premier League experience is vital, Roberto, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva all had Premier League experience, so it is not the be-all and end-all of it.
18 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:26:01
19 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:39:21
20 Posted 04/12/2019 at 13:49:40
21 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:00:59
Atletico are sitting in 6th place in the Liga and Simone is talking about the team being in transition, which is not going down well with the fans.
Gallardo is the type of risk Moshiri would take. I can't see a British manager getting the job. They will plough on with Silva until a definite replacement is available.
In my opinion, SIlva was only considered as a manager who would lay foundations and he was expected to maintain Everton in the Premier League and build a squad to play to a certain level in the League and Cups. Next year, a decision would have been taken whether he was the manager to take Everton to the next level.
Silva obviously is not going to fulfil his expected potential, so the decision to rep!ace him will have to be moved forward. Moshiri and Brands will want to continue the plan, so a winning manager will be what is sought to replace Silva, so it is going to take a while.
22 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:07:35
There is only one bloke who would keep us up with 19 games left and us on 17 points if we are lucky. Well, unless we get Diago Costa in, a player to boss the middle, a couple more central defenders, then Simione, or the bloke from Valencia.
Big Sam is the only one who can win 9 games, draw a few, or draw a lot and win a few without signing a great 9 others. What players are going to wanna come to us in January with 14 or 17 points? Let's get real. Big Sam is the only manager who will make the bunch we got play in a way to get 30 points out of what games we got left.
Okay this season 39 might keep you up. But if we only got 17 points with 19 to play, guess what.
Who would you put ya house on to keep us up? Big Sam or let's have some names. Remember ya house is on ya pick. I know where my money goes.
23 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:24:02
I find myself asking this; Should we take the risk? Then a whole bunch of reality smacks me square in the mush. We can't get any worse than what we are right now.
So I'm in the 'fuck it' brigade from now on, bring anyone in, absolutely anyone-apart from his name that shall not be spoken the dirty TGT, and anyone called Howe, or Hughes, or Dyche or .
24 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:28:17
25 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:31:10
We don't want someone who's done it, we want someone who can do it. The two are often not the same. Trying to find the guy is going to be almost impossible, but it doesn't mean we should stop trying or stop looking because we've got it wrong in the past. We hired Brands to change the club and have a long term vision, we have to give him a proper go, and until he has his man in, we cannot really judge him.
If the rumours are true, and the betting surge reflected something, then it shows Brands is prepared to think a little outside the box and try and get the great managers before they become great, in the same way he will go for the young players in South America before anyone else spots them in Europe.
26 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:32:15
I'd love Bielsa. We need someone that can get hold of the place and galvanise a blatantly dispirited dressing room and fanbase. And also being to change the ingrained loser culture and mentality.
Just not Eddie Howe. It has Kenwright written all over it. Another beige load of nothingness from another nothing club that's never won anything. We need heft and know how to arrest this malaise.
27 Posted 04/12/2019 at 14:49:26
I said last season that Leeds would blow up and fail to get promoted and some shot me down for that, but that's what happened. Bielsa would have been brilliant instead of Martinez. He's with Leeds now, and he does not break contracts. He's erratic and you must pander to his eccentricities or if you do not do exactly what he asks, he will walk away. He did it without a game being played at Lazio, complaining the club did not sign the players he asked for. He left Marseille after the first game of the new season, just over 12 months into his reign.
Bielsa was one of the great characters of the game, but our chance with him has past now. I hope he keeps it together and gets Leeds up. It'd be great to see them back in the top flight, particularly with him as manager.
I'd rather have Gallardo though. He's won more than Bielsa in less years as a coach in Argentina and won the same as him in Europe, ie nothing.
28 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:02:08
You had me at diamond, the perfect set up with the players we have fit and it plays to our strengths.
Ive been calling for a diamond (maybe not as loudly as my polish princess) all season. Give us a holding midfielder, two in the centre that can cover wide, more space for a number 10, and two up top.
Ive just gone all dizzy...
Now its down to Tescos for my derby bottle of whiskey.
29 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:10:08
Great name too.
30 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:21:45
This guy doesnt look too bad either.
Wonder when these players are going to click, because its not just our manager thats underperforming.
31 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:26:52
32 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:38:16
I got a very blunt Yorkshire response:
33 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:18:47
"We need someone who speaks English!!!" - Besides that reading like a statement from the Brexit manifesto, I have bad news for you: only 20% of the world speaks English as a primary, and 2/3 of our team are from terrible places like Brazil, Portugal, Nigeria, Italy, Iceland, and France.
"We need someone proven in the EPL!!!" - okay, umm, who? Though, perhaps the bar is so low now that "proven" has become 'can win games in the Championship.'
The definition of insanity <--- I did the hard work for you.
34 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:29:51
35 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:32:55
36 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:38:41
South American football long fell down my priority list in my 20s, fixing fences and putting up shelves rank more exciting nowadays!
Whatever the product is, the violence and the danger around it put me off.
With that lack of opinion I can go in without knowing the outcome. Ive met the last four appointments with a tepid excitement being the very best I could muster. Thats makes me sound arrogant but truthfully weve bungled the last four managers, fishing in ponds that are poor quality. The writing was on the wall before it started.
Its clear Brands wont go for an established name unless Moshiri cuts him off at the knees. The merry go round of mediocre managers that work in the premier league has to run dry at some point?
Maybe by going so far from our establish staid path of hiring duds we might stumble on something?
Why not eh? I acknowledge the risk here too but we are so desperate and Id put that chance of success over us getting relegated, mad maybe, but weve spent 30 years being nobodies.
37 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:51:23
38 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:57:53
Are you trekking into the city for this one?
39 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:05:19
8:15 start is way too late.
40 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:25:36
By established I means Benitez etc not a Moyes or Hughes.
Has Brands ever appointed that type of manager? Just not his m.o. for my £0.02! 😂
41 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:50:53
Ok re: established and I'm okay with that. Wasn't sure if you were one of those crazies who want to keep recycling mediocre Championshit (oops, Championship) or bottom table fellas.
42 Posted 04/12/2019 at 17:57:22
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44 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:06:20
45 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:08:13
46 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:16:05
47 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:16:49
Did Pardew have an Instagram account?
48 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:39:42
49 Posted 04/12/2019 at 18:48:30
John P #36: "Its clear Brands wont go for an established name unless Moshiri cuts him off at the knees." Interesting assertion, but it's not clear to me at all. Support?
50 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:05:53
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52 Posted 04/12/2019 at 19:10:57
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54 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:42:30
55 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:45:55
E-Type Gallardo, Maserati- Marcelino ???
56 Posted 04/12/2019 at 22:52:15
He would certainly be a risk but then so is every manager. I think he looks a really exciting prospect with a tactical flexibility that Silva has sadly not shown.
His desire for pressing and counter-attacking should fit what we have and by all accounts he's a great motivator.
The timings work well and though he wouldn't be my very top choice I reckon he‘s one of the most exciting options that looks to be currently available.
I can imagine Brands being keen on him and Kenwright blanching at the thought!
57 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:06:51
I have researched (seriously) all the names being linked with us, and this guy comes out on top, with my limited knowledge.
While I acknowledge, that every appointment has a degree of risk, and I must hasten to add- no guarantees of any appointee, I feel this guy could just fit the Bill above all others being mentioned.
Then again, will they approach him, would he come, what budget would he have, who would he get rid of?
There are so many questions, and too few answers at present, but for what it's worth, as we will have no say whatsoever, in the next incumbent, he gets my vote!
58 Posted 04/12/2019 at 23:14:57
At River hes worked on small budgets, selling his best players every few years and utilising the kids. Which is also how I think Brands would prefer to work.
I dont know if Gallardo has done enough yet to land a Barcelona type job so we could be the perfect fit.
59 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:31:02
I'd rather take Moyes and back him, none of this till the end of the season nonsense. We know what we are getting with Moyes, so let's see what he's like with access to money this time.
60 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:41:00
Should have been done weeks ago though, as once silva is sacked Moyes will be announced. With Cahill no doubt to try and get fans onside.
Also if a poll does go up please dont include fantasy candidates like Simeone. Utterly pointless.
61 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:08:10
To me he represent a backwards step made out of fear. If we need someone till the end of the season then maybe he's the best candidate but i'm not convinced.
62 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:12:31
63 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:45:43
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