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Tony Everan
1 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:17:09
Happy that Gordon is starting and Davies is better in the centre midfield than Sigurdsson so I am hopeful of a better performance tonight.

Come on you Blueboys !!!!!!!!!!

Brian Wilkinson
2 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:37:23
I was going to have a cheeky punt on Mina for first goal but 20/1 seems skinny odds to me so has to be Digni at 40/1 hopefully a free kick :-)
Brian Wilkinson
3 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:38:02
Digne even.
Max Murphy
4 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:13:20
Instead of posting new comments at the end of this evening's game, save time and just add "See comment from Monday's match".
Paul Savage
5 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:29:20
Type or paste your comment here. PLEASE capitalise initial letters of proper names and use proper grammar. No txt-speak; all-lowercase posts are likely to be deleted
Ernie Baywood
6 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:29:39
How was that penalty not overruled by VAR?
Paul Savage
7 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:31:20
Gomes is so bad it’s frightening
James Fletcher
8 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:38:43
We're playing without a central midfield

Also was never a pen, the guy was going down before they got anywhere near each other

Ernie Baywood
9 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:40:13
Deservedly behind. Are Southampton as good as they look? Or are we just making them look like that?

Midfield is non existent. Only Gordon and Richarlison are in the game.

James Fletcher
10 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:41:44
Why the hell is he replacing ineffective Gomes with ineffective Sigurdsson?!?!?1
Bill Fairfield
11 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:43:29
Gomes off don’t think he really come on,replaced by somebody else with no legs
James Fletcher
12 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:43:53
Amazing from Digne there
Alan J Thompson
13 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:45:15
What the hell's happening????
Alan J Thompson
14 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:54:48
Haven't we equalized yet?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

15 Posted 09/07/2020 at 18:57:32
We started well...for about 3 minutes before it went South(ampton).

Totally outplayed, seemingly outnumbered such is the space and time on the ball the Saints have.

It looked to me even before Gomes' 'injury' that Carlo had seen enough and had already decided to replace him before half-time.

Then, out of nowhere, the one piece of class from Everton all game. Brilliant pass from Digne. Great 1st touch by Richie. Great finish.

Very fortunate to go in level at half-time.

A 19-year-old starting - what? only his 3rd senior game? - has been showing the seniors more heart, more energy, more guile than the rest put together.

It can't be so bad in the 2nd half...can it..?

Simon Dalzell
16 Posted 09/07/2020 at 19:29:30
Definite red card. Joke.
Brian Murray
17 Posted 09/07/2020 at 19:39:52
What's amazing is Martinez actually talking sense instead of the gibberish he gave us after every let down. Four managers we have set up for life and numerous players – all hopeless. The chairman off the scale on that score. Everton that!
James Fletcher
18 Posted 09/07/2020 at 19:43:57
Yeah, definite red "He was going away from goal"...oh right, as he was running into the very centre of the box
Peter Gorman
19 Posted 09/07/2020 at 19:54:40
We are so shite it is unreal but that ref! My God!
Robert Tressell
20 Posted 09/07/2020 at 19:57:38
What's the point in having Everton pundits if they are not going to completely blinkered in our favour. Even the pundits are spineless. No wonder we never win anything. We need more complete wankers on the books.
George Cumiskey
21 Posted 09/07/2020 at 19:58:11
That for me was a worse performance than against spurs, and the game completely and utterly passed Tom Davies by
Phil Rodgers
22 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:00:13
Awful. Absolutely fucking dreadful
Ernie Baywood
23 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:00:20
Clear red. The ball is running away from goal because he took a touch to his left and got brought down.

Well done to Carlo for making the adjustments needed. We pretty clearly needed more in midfield and the switch to 3-5-2 gave that. I actually thought Sigurdsson ended up being key, sitting deeper and using the ball well.

We lost some momentum when DCL went off. Not that he had a great game but the lad who replaced him will never be a Premier League footballer. I don't feel any concern that I'll be proved wrong in that and I've been saying it since September. Shame because we've burnt a small fortune on him. Time to take a punt on another young striker (Simms) and give them the development time.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

24 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:00:29
Grateful of the draw.

At the start of the 2nd half, the change of personel and formation gave us some control of the game which was totally absent in the 1st half.

And then, we lost it. Simply lost it. We were on our heels when the ball broke lose. The passing was wayward. The challenges easily broken through. No energy. No alertness. No skill.

All so very messy.

Well played again by Anthony Gordon and Richarlison's excellent goal are the only two saving graces for Everton from today.

Bill Gienapp
25 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:03:51
Goodness that was a poor first half... though ironically, the Digne/Richarlison goal might have been the purest display of class we've seen all season.
Tom Bowers
26 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:04:32
The midfield was a mess from the outset when Saints looked like RS running all over us. Mina couldn't have been fit, Coleman was leaving their speedsterRedmond too much room and the closing down by Gomes, Davies and Iwobi was non existent. Surely those three won't be here next season.

I don't care what anyone says Richarlison needs a class act alongside him. (Is Alan Shearer still fit)

Steve Ferns
27 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:04:33
That first half was as bad as any this season. The second half got a bit better. But ultimately, we’re not good enough. We need an injection of pace and energy into midfield. It can change things a lot if we have a quality pair there.
Chris Williams
28 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:05:21
I don’t understand why we’re all getting het up about this player, or that player. Davies is not the first player I’d be criticising. Frankly there’s no point in criticising any of them. Collectively they’re shite all over the pitch, shite.

We know that. Not acceptable, but that’s the awful reality.

We’ve just got a point we have no right to. We came about 5th in a 2 horse race.. but ended in a dead heat.

Rejoice, Rejoice!

Ciarán McGlone
29 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:05:21
Are we the worst team in the league to watch?
Dick Fearon
30 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:05:33
My OPTUS TV recording was completely blank anyone in Australia had the same problem?
Michael Kenrick
31 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:06:01
I spent ages trying to get the Amazon webpage to show the game link, to no avail. Then remembered my Vodaphone MoFi Dongle and switched over to that. The same page I had been refreshing for ages finally showed the link.

For many previous sins, I have Sky Broadband... could it possibly be that they were vindictively blocking my free Prime access??? Not that I missed much. Another very poor first half, and only slightly better second.

Ciarán McGlone
32 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:06:44
Thank your lucky stars Dick..
Jim Bennings
33 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:07:18
More utter garbage from the club that once had pride in its displays.

The dead club just hobbles to another limp wristed season finishing below those might big spenders Sheffield United, who will overtake us next season, Leeds?

I hate to say it but I feel Ancelotti coming here he's just flogging a dead horse, the players and their easy lives and loser mentality, we are just too far gone as a club now I my opinion.

Can only see Carlo walking out before Christmas when he realises that this job was just a step too much at this stage of his life.

Chris Williams
34 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:07:42
Michael,

I had exactly the same problem with Amazon. They’re as shite as Everton.

Christy Ring
35 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:09:05
It's a pity the senior player's didn't have the same heart and guts as Gordon, and maybe Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin has been very poor since the return of the season.
Fran Mitchell
36 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:11:37
That was a poor showing today. Second half improved for the first 25, but the final 20 reverted to form. Very poor. The players are playing for their futures, and few are justifying theirs
Gavin Johnson
37 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:14:59
I expected 3 points going into the game. After the first 10 minutes I would have taken the draw. We were invisible in midfield and it took a moment of quality from Digne and Richarlison to get us into the game.

After the break Ancelotti earned his money having 5 at the back with wingbacks bringing Gordon inside. I was surprised Carlo took Gordon off for Bernard later in the half. He looked like the only player with enough vision to create the winner.

I don't think this team deserves a final European place and Brands and Carlo are going to have to work very hard to bring in some quality in midfield and offload the deadwood like Sigurdsson and Fabian Delph. For me, Tom Davies also needs to be loaned out.

Max Murphy
38 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:17:16
We lose every 50-50 ball; we're out-muscled in every tackle; no creativity bringing the ball out of defense; etc. Basically same comments as posted after Monday's game.

Southampton much the better side, and were unlucky not to thrash us. Defeatism is endemic in the Everton psyche.

There's no point wishing for this season to end, and new season to begin; nor is there any point wishing for new signings, new manager, new board, new owners etc. It's all been tried - and it has always spectacularly failed.

I've said it before, Everton FC need to be relegated so they can start again from basic principles. Only then will they climb out of this awful downward spiral of mundane mediocrity.

Having said that, I'd settle for mundane mediocrity at this present time, instead of the shameful crap that is regularly served up at each game.

Dave Abrahams
39 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:18:25
Michael and Chris, I couldn’t get that Amazon website either, just thought it was my fault because I’m useless with technology, turns out I’m not that bad, glad to miss it in a way because Live Forum gave it loads and loads,all bad.
Tony Twist
40 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:18:27
Only watched the first half, that was enough for me. Training techniques obviously are substandard and let's face it the players are scared stiff. Nothing is more important now than bringing players in that can do the basics well and have hearts of lions and are never satisfied. They were pathetic and totally embarassing, Carlo is not magnifico at the moment as there is absolutely no change year upon year. Gross incompetence is rife throughout the club.
Tony Abrahams
41 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:19:11
Take vindictive Michael, it might not have felt like that when you couldn’t get the game on your screen, but trust me they were doing you a favour, honestly.

The game passed Davies by because he was the only one trying to get after his opponents imo, but that was so poor and I’m still trying to work out why Ancelotti let’s them suffer, without making the necessary changes to formation when we are getting overrun?

Hopefully his logic, has been well thought out, although this is what happens when we don’t keep a two banks of four defensive shape, meaning we can’t open up because we are just not good enough when we try.

Fran Mitchell
42 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:21:42
Gordon, Digne, and Richarlison looked good. And the play between the latter two for the goal was top quality. They were the players who made something happen when they had the ball, and the players who looked for the ball

DCL ran, but did little with the ball and fluffed his one good chance. He looks tired and lacking confidence.

Davies looked more composed, and improved his passing slightly (but still doesn't hold possession well enough). But like the rest of the midfield, chased shadows when their midfield had possession.

Sidibe coming on gave much better shape and contributed to the better performance for the first 25 of the second half.

Sigurdsson was there. Very ineffectual.

Iwobi was poor with the ball and mostly invisible, Gomes was woeful and needs dropping (but yeah...who do we have).

Mina looked a bit flat footed and Keane showed his weaknesses when playing a striker like Ings (Keane doesn't deal well with movement).

Coleman did a decent job defensively, offered little offensively (as the whole of the right side).

Kean came on, looked lively then we lost control of the ball and the forwards barely saw the ball again

Bernard came on and looked better, but again, chasing shadows.

Robert Tressell
43 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:26:43
It's hard going being an Everton fan. I've got faith in Carlo but the football has been awful since the return from lockdown. Lucky not to lose today. It's games like this that make me applaud what Martinez did. He allowed us to play like a big club for a couple of years even though we were still skint. Shame he went mental, bought Niasse and then drove to Dundee in bare feet. It's been downhill ever since.
Jamie Crowley
44 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:28:02
Rob Dolby
45 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:29:18
Poor display only slightly better in the 2nd half with the change of formation.

Their pen and the Bednerak yellow highlight how piss poor var is ruining the game.

Richarleson is head and shoulders above anything on the park. The others are quite happy to see him get the shit kicked out of him every game and just watch on.

Gordon played quite well again pity the pass to Digne in the 2nd half was under hit. DCL new hair cut, tighter shorts still hasn't broken sweat since the club made him a multi millionaire. Why didn't he head that cross instead of the fresh air volley.

The only saving grace is that we have 40 points. This bunch without Richarleson will take us down.

Ray Jacques
46 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:29:55
Iwobi is rapidly getting into my worst ever Everton player club with fellow incumbents and luminaries such as Keeley and Angell.

Ancelotti needs at least 3 years to sort this mess out. I still don't think we have recovered from the dross Koemann brought in. Yet again patience is required, but for once we need a long term plan and must stay with it.

Michael O'Malley
47 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:32:16
I remember me dad when I was a teenager complaining that we’d gone 14 years without winning the league never mind a trophy, now we’re at 35 years and there is absolutely no sign of that changing. A whole generation of fans have watched mediocrity bar a few good seasons, while the other lot go from strength to strength, it’s tough being a blue
Paul Birmingham
48 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:33:34
Sadly standard fare and pathetic and there’s not much to say.

At least there’s spa window which won’t be a long window to buy a quality midfielder and RB, CB.

It’s painful to listen, I didn’t watch this one but forgetting about the crowd, it’s the same for every team, but let’s let Carlo, draw them out and seal their fates. The past proves that we can’t see a good midfielder have traded good for very poor.

My ma8 at Arsenal, told us Wolcott, and even more so Isobi were duds.

I’m at the point we’re theres no expectation, getting deadballs, from free kicks, corners etc marking discipline, awareness Why don’t these players bar a handful care about EFC?

Realistically rebuild, and this won’t be quick and easy as even with Ancelotti and big wages, I don’t see any major coups in this next window, bar a miracle.

Year on year, and it’s in the dna, no care, don’t care, take the gross wages for pretending to be footballers.

I hope we can hang on this summer to our couple genuine decent players.

Now Wolves.

Laurie Hartley
49 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:35:48
Robert Tressell - sin miedo gave me one brief season of happiness in the last 5 but it’s been all downhill since then.

Only Richarlison and maybe Gordon would get into Martinez’s team.

Ancellotti needs three midfielders in the next window.

Frank Sheppard
50 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:38:43
Poor and very worrying, major surgery needed.
Or a miracle.
Jamie Crowley
51 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:38:52
Laurie -

I think it's fair to add Holgate and Digne to that list. Roberto would have been happy with those two I'd bet.


What the hell has happened to our Club? The last two games have been absolutely dreadful. They've sucked any thought of hope out of my soul.

We were dreadful.

John Boon
52 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:39:10
I am a dyed in the wool Evertonian who has found the games in the resurrected season dreadful. I always want to win. However I also don't really care in what is a total farce of a season. Just let us get over the finish line and get these "Practice Games" out of the way. Apart from a team that is likely to be relegated or promoted all other games are a waste of time.

Ancelotti has to be givem a fair crack at turning the results and the performances around. He MUST be given money because he just doesn't have the players at the present time. Hopefully the new season will provide more. How many times have I said that in the past five years ?
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Niall McIlhone
53 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:41:36
Well, a fair result, and our switch of tactics to by -passing the midfield by means of hoofball from Pickford to the forwards almost paid dividends early in the second half. I am sure Carlo must have had to grin and bear it for most of the game, I think he needs to see the end of this season as much as the fans, his stellar reputation is taking a bit of a dent.
On the positive side, the back four generally did well, Keane was very solid, and Sidibe improved us when he came on. Tom tried, as always, but his passes forward just lack accuracy. Oh for a Tommy Graversen., Gana Gueye and a Tim Cahill.
Trevor Peers
54 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:44:06
Got to get another striker or two, Richarlison is the only player who ever looks like scoring and that's unforgivable. Worst team in the premiership to watch.
Laurie Hartley
55 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:45:31
Jamie # 51 - sorry lad but I can’t agree - there is no way Digne would displace a young Baines or Holgate replace Distin or Jagielka.
Dave Williams
56 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:47:46
Simply dreadful especially first half- I don’t think anyone has dominated us so completely but it’s what happens when you play two passengers in midfield and leave just one guy competing in the middle.
Tom gave it everything and bearing in mind he had zero support he did ok. Gordon is class and Digne and Richi did well.
Carlo is getting away with murder because of his reputation but very soon he will have to show whether he has it in him to sort out this shambles. He is picking totally ineffective players every game- why?? DCL has been poor since the restart but he isn’t getting any decent ball. The bright spot is Gordon who looks comfortable and if he had decent support he would really impact games.
Surely Carlo can’t select Gomes and Siggy next game? Gomes is so off the pace he needs saving from himself whilst Siggy just doesn’t contribute. Iwobi must be played in his best position to see what he can do and we need a five man midfield to stand a chance of competing.
What a load of crap!
Liam Reilly
57 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:49:22
Everton reached new heights tonight. Making Southampton look like Brazil is a feat indeed.

Can't see Richarlison sticking around next season and I wouldn't blame him He deserves better.

Eddie Dunn
58 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:52:34
A truly dreadfull performance. If there had been a real crowd they would have been booed off.
DCL showing all of his shortcomings, granted there was little in the way of service but he has the touch of an undertaker.
Gomes showed that it was him and not Sigurdsson who was the worst player v Spurs.
The end of season can't come soon enough.
On telly Logan said Carlo thought he could improve these players 100%.
He needs to.
Sidebe showed us that Iwobi is ridiculously over priced.
I was happy during shut-down, I just wish this season hadn't restarted. I'm depressed again now.
Martin Berry
59 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:53:46
Out played and out passed for most of the game. Yes the second half was an improvement but that was not difficult.
Digne and Davies did their best and Gordon also showed signs but as a team performance, well were the worst team I have seen since lockdown release but I think I will still wear a mask, over my eyes
Carlo has a hell of a job here !
Pat Kelly
60 Posted 09/07/2020 at 20:55:40
Eddie, did Carlo say he could improve the players 100% or improve the team 100% ? The latter is possible over time but the former is an impossibility.
Neil Lawson
61 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:00:03
We all see things through our own blue-tinted eyes and opinions. Hence, I judge some of the posted comments to be misplaced and unfair.

Yes, we were second-best but they had better players over much of the park. But to slate every player is unfair. Given the weaknesses (woeful) across the middle of the park, pressure is increased on the others.

Seamus and Digne continue to perform at a more than acceptable level. So, too, Michael Keane. But, if you play only with 9 men, you will struggle. Iwobi was dreadful. Utterly anonymous. Gomes nearly as bad, never able to pass forwards.

Davies did okay. At least he looks to advance but he is always outnumbered having little support, and, in truth, he just isn't good enough. Gordon was the best and most progressive player and, from the moment he was replaced, any hope of sneaking a winner left with him. Bernard lacks pace and presence and will only ever be valuable in a team playing well. We retreated and were forced backwards.

So my plea now is to forget all this nonsense talk about Europe. We are nowhere near good enough and it could be disastrous for next season. Instead, use the games remaining to confirm the obvious deadwood in the squad and give at least a couple more of the aspiring and talented youngsters a chance to shine. They can do no worse and we can reasonably expect them to play their hearts out to make their mark. If nothing else, it might give us something to cheer about rather than just moaning at the same old targets.

And finally. Shearer. He has an agenda. There is something in his DNA which appears to make him despise our club. He is a complete and total self-opinionated arrogant knobhead whose greatest fan is himself.

And finally, finally, not all bad. No complete howlers from Pickford. On balance, maybe he does have a place on the bench for next season, or better still, a £50M move to Chelsea.

John McFarlane Snr
62 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:04:07
Hi Dave [39] I was hoping that you would tell me if it was as bad as it sounded, but that's obviously out of the question. It appears that my decision to boycott the TV games on a matter of principle, that being the insistence of the Premier League and member clubs, to restart the League programme when hundreds of people were dying, finance being the deciding factor.

I was virtually ridiculed in some quarters, but true to my beliefs I haven't seen a minute of televised football, in the case of Everton that appears to have been a blessing in disguise. In an earlier post I said that ''Most of us know that were not good enough', and from what I gathered from the radio commentary, I view that the result as a point gained.

Ian Riley
63 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:06:18
£300 million plus for what? Carlo must get his own players in. We have too many average mid table players and we paid top dollar for. Not one player with a medal between them. We bought average and the league table doesn't lie.

The team lacks fighters and playmakers. How long before Richarlison wants out? How average we are but remain in the top flight. How lucky we are. Time to be radical with this squad.

Colin Glassar
64 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:07:23
Maybe playing at Goodison in front of the home crowd is affecting some of our players negatively?
Sam Hoare
65 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:10:34
Terrible viewing experience.

No midfield. So few players exhibiting any confidence at all. Can see us finishing this season 14th as they all looked knackered and we’ve another 2 games within a week.

One player who I like but has got off lightly is Calvert-Lewin. He’s not had much service but he’s not held up the ball at all well and has struggled to impact the game at all for the fifth time running.

He does a lot of pressing work but needs to work out how to find space or impact the game more when we are struggling. Seems like him and Richie are on different wavelengths at the moment.

Rob Dolby
66 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:11:05
Play to our strengths and get the ball up to the 2 strikers asap.

The defence is generally playing well.
Why mess around on the goal kicks. Its an accident waiting to happen.

The midfield is piss poor so play it long. Ferguson wasn't too proud to get the ball into the opposition half and work hard all over the park.

Carlo isn't managing world class players. We have 2 players who could play at a higher level.

He has to recognise that and change tactics or buy a new team. I think if he doesn't get backed in the transfer market he could be gone by Christmas.

Andrew Hight
67 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:12:11
Eddie @ 58 summary is spot on.
Mike Oates
68 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:12:59
I feel like I’ve lived a life dreaming that Everton will get better, with the continuous promise that we will soon be a Top 6 side.

Then I wake up to reality and finding myself watching the same pitiful excuse of a PL team, going only one way and that is to become a perineal Bottom 6 side. Ancelotti can’t do a thing with this slot, only 2 top 6 players in the squad, Richarlison and Digne. The rest are poor standard PL players with a fair few, not even Championship level.

Ancelotti needed to start by getting rid of Niasse, Schenderlin, Martina, Bolasie, Sandro, and a few more of the never quite made it kids. He now realises that the above was just the start, and Gomes, Davies, Iwobi, Bernard, Delph, Sigurdsson, Kean need to be shifted out as well. But like the dregs we bought 3-5years ago, most of the above are on once again 3-5 yr fat contracts and won’t be going anywhere too soon.

As mentioned above I just can’t see Richarlison and Digne wanting to spend the next 3 years helping a team reach the distant target of a European slot when they could walk into any Top 10 CL team now.

Ancelotti - what a challenge you’ve taken on, possibly one which will finish you as well.

Kunal Desai
69 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:14:24
Daylight robbery in getting a point out of that. Only positive is four games to go.

I hope the summer break is extensive.
Ancelotti is the only postive at this club.

Hugh Jenkins
70 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:16:13
People keep asking "Why does Carlo keep picking these players"?

Dare I offer the answer - who else has he got to pick?

The current dearth of talent at EFC makes mother Hubbard's cupboard look like a proverbial cornucopia.

Dick Fearon
71 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:16:51
Question must be asked and honest answers sought. have we improved or got worse under Ancelloti.
Clive Rogers
72 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:18:30
Gomes and Iwobi were dreadful and we were slightly better when they went off. DCL is playing like he won’t score before the end of the season. The only answer to the midfield problems is new players in summer.
Duncan McDine
73 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:19:36
Another lacklustre performance especially from the likes of Gomes, Iwobi and young Moise when he came on. Richarlison & Gordon tried hard and came up with a bit of quality at times, but we just don’t look like a team with any cohesion. For once I can’t slag off our keeper as he kept us in the game. We’re limping through these final games of the season with very little desire... I shouldn’t be surprised though. Everton players have been going through the motions for several years now.
Mike Oates
74 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:20:42
Dick # 71
He’s improved us defensively, with Martinez, Koeman and Silva we would have lost that game tonight by a clear margin of 4 goals.
What Ancelotti can’t do is put out a team who can dominate and attack, because of the total dearth of midfield options he’s inherited
Michael O'Malley
75 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:21:49
I’ve just reread my post from earlier on and I meant to type 25 years since we won anything it just seams like 35
Jim Bennings
76 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:22:57
Just the same shit Dick, and it'll stay the same as long as we keep this same crop of characterless no-marks.

No pace, no endeavour and no brain anywhere, pretty thick bunch of players.

Ancelotti is just a man not a wizard, he won't be able to do anything more than Sam Allardyce did, shore things up in a dour dire fashion.

He needs some absolutely brilliant signings to go straight into the first team, not just more bench warmers.

John Raftery
77 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:26:21
Rob (66) Correct.

For those saying we have been poor since the restart, I would say we were poor going into the lockdown. The
4-0 thrashing at Chelsea, exposed the weaknesses in midfield and defence. The return of Gomes has actually served to weaken the team. We have won only two games in eight, one of those against the worst team in the league. In all the games we have struggled to control the play through midfield.

The 4-4-2 formation works well if you have two workaholic central midfielders plus pace and guile from the flanks. We have none of that.

John Pierce
78 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:33:39
That was abject. Bar one moment of skill and a superb finish we were lamentable. Carlo gets a modicum if praise for righting the formation error he started with.

However nothing can escape that he was out-coached. Southampton playing 4-2-2-2 boxed our midfield two off and they were done. We were fortunate not to get a pasting.

If he doesn’t freshen it up Sunday, with either 4-3-3 or 3-5-2 then we could get walloped.

Colin Glassar
79 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:42:37
Last week, I think it was, I said we wouldn’t get more than 50 points this season. I was being optimistic. Maybe we can beat Villa to reach 48 points and that’s all I can see us getting.

Where’s Bk btw? He’s been very quiet lately.

Terry Farrell
80 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:46:28
I'm sorry but forgetting our short Dominics for a minute, Lee Mason was an absolute disgrace throughout. Never seen a ref be so quick to signal for a pen. I could name at least 10 decisions where he gave us nothing. Twat
Kevin Molloy
81 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:49:13
our goal just said 'two gems amongst a sea of rubbish. Take them before they too go in the bin'
Mick Conalty
82 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:50:05
Moshiri has been well and
truly shafted.
But by whom ?????
Andrew Keatley
83 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:51:30
The Southampton players and staff must be scratching their heads as to how they didn’t win today’s game by at least 2 clear goals. I have not seen the expected goals levels for the game but I’d imagine it is something like Everton 0.75 and Southampton 3.5.

Hard to know where to start in terms of analysis, but one basic thing that astounds me is how poor we are in terms of defending in pairs/groups. I think it’s indicative of attitude; our players expect their team-mate to do the necessary work to win the ball back, so there’s a passive, almost “after-you” approach, that gives the impetus to the opposition player to get their pass away or wriggle free of attention. And communication is poor. I watch players from other teams hunt to retrieve possession like they are hyenas - Liverpool last night vs Brighton for the Henderson goal is a good example. Our players never have their fangs out and work in groups with real conviction and belief.

Ray Jacques
84 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:53:08
So who would all the experts on here play in the team? Which of Ancelotti's signings have been a flop?

I agree that performances are poor, but it is undeniable that the results have improved. Since he took over, I think we have only lost in the league to Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Spurs and all were away from home. We have won 3 away games which is generally our total for a full season. The league position is vastly better than it was at Xmas and I think since he came in we are around 5th or 6th in a mini league of the last 14 games.

The man needs time, he has inherited 4 years of dross since Koemann took over and it cannot be fixed in an instant but will take a number of years.

The style of play is awful at present but there is no doubt his management of games has won points where, with the last managers and our fragile players, we previously would have lost.

Ian Bennett
85 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:53:35
Agreed mate. They never showed a replay of the penalty, but he looked to be going down before contact to me.

Then Richarlison goes through on goal, last man with no cover. Foul and denial of a goal scoring opportunity. The ball might have been going a little away from goal, but any striker worth his salt could have cut back if he wasn't hauled down. And VAR backed him up. Absolute joke, if that is any top 4 team it's a straight red.

We were shite BTW

Tony Everan
86 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:54:58
Outplayed and outfought by Southampton tonight.

They were winning most of the 50/50s all over the pitch and then gaining possession. We were on the back foot most of the time because of it. Gomes and Iwobi are not tackling at all , have downed tools for the summer and it shames them that the boys Gordon and Davies are more important to the team effort right now.

The former duo didn’t get close to a Southampton midfielder all night. Gomes was spilling possession regularly yet again. Southampton had space and time on the ball in midfield throughout. We had neither.

Roll on the summer transfer window. Roll on next season with a few quality additions.

This season is petering out like a well pissed on campfire.

Peter Mills
87 Posted 09/07/2020 at 21:56:21
Am I alone in thinking that Pickford’s behaviour for their goal was awful? Should he not have been down at Ings’ feet?
Gerard Pauls
89 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:02:11
It's time for a total reality check for our club, manager and players. We look shattered everytime we take to the pitch, no energy, no encouragement or gee up given to each other during the game only a resigned acceptance that we are who we are. We are Everton and the dross, lazy lethargic attitude of most of the players is sad and shocking (for players I use the word lightly) in respect of some of them. You see more effort, fight and the willingness to win in kids, Sunday league and even over 60s 5 a sides than in the current crop of mercenaries masqcarading as professional footballers. The manager also shoulders responsibility...he selects the team. If he can't see the faults, lack of effort and total disregard for the club, fans and shirt he himself needs a swift kick to his derriere. Lack of choice is no real excuse...many other teams have smaller and less talented squads but make up for this shortfall by playing with pride, endeavour and grit. Calvert Lewin is an enigma, built as an ideal centre forward but acts like a good challenge may break him. Iwobi was at Arsenal a player of fun, jumps and skips along with no idea how to attack a ball, pass a ball and as for physical challenges..forget it. Play the kids in the remains dead fixtures and hopefully we may see some effort, pride and fight for the shirt. Finally what has happened to big Dunc since the lock down? He seems to have been relegated to the back bench's and cuts a forlorn and frustrated figure at present. In his short term he had the team playing with passion, fight and a will to win and not the don't care less attitude currently on display. Sad and frustration times and I have supported my beloved Everton since 1962. Best wishes to all Evertonian's. COYB
Robert Miller
90 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:03:23
I appreciate getting to watch all the games on telly.

I agree with those who think our performances are abject.

Apart from the lack of passion, energy and commitment which frankly is unforgivable the things that make me most annoyed are:

- passing backwards every time we encounter an opposition player
- taking forever to get the ball out of our own half
- the keystone cops run around that precedes most of our goals conceded
- What appears to be a policy of not tackling. ever
- not even being second to every ball.
- not being able to complete a forward pass most of the time
- Sidibé seemingly not having even basic footballing skills.


Anyway. I’ll tune in to the next one
because I love Everton.

Probably just in a bad mood because I have two RS brothers.

Come on Carlo

Patrick McFarlane
91 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:04:16
When Duncan came away from Old Trafford with a hard earned point Everton ended that weekend on 18 points from 17 games just 3 points above Southampton who lay in the last relegation place.

The Everton team had only won five of its league games and had conceded 29 goals and scored 20.

From the same number of games since then the team have won 8 and conceded 20 goals with the points gained being 27.

Whilst the defence has coped better, the goalscoring has been roughly the same with 21 scored.

We were very poor up until Duncan took control and we've been merely poor since.

Of course there was an opportunity to bring European football to Goodison for next season but this squad are about where they deserve to be lower mid-table.

Much work to be done in the window and hopefully we can buy players who will improve the first team rather than just come in and 'do a job'.

Tom Bowers
92 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:05:13
It's obvious to all of us that big changes in personnel are required and Carlo must know it too.

Whatever excuses are being made they just don't cut it. Fitness, injuries, pandemic lockdown and referees do not apply with these last two Everton showings in particular if not most of the season.

They were not even at the races during that first half hour despite Iwobi's close range effort and this against a team that has also struggled most of the season.

Wolves next, so it's no likely they will get a win in that one unless there is a big change in attitude from the off.

Many teams play as units of three or four and support each other but Everton's players are all over the place making it easy for the opposition to win the ball back because the Everton players are always trying more difficult passes. When not in possession they do not press the opposition in a serious manner and that allows them to pick Everton off.

Carlo has to play out these remaining games by using his young players so that they get the experience or at least give them an opportunity to stake a claim regardless of the big money players who are under performing.

Robert Miller
93 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:12:06
What’s your first thought whenever Moise Kean comes on as a substitute?

Mine is : “this could be the game. err probably not”

Annika Herbert
94 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:13:47
Eddie@58, both Gomes and Sigurdsson were poor against Spurs but there is no question who was the worst. Sigurdsson has clearly won the worst player on the pitch award for that particular game
Terry White
95 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:18:09
I'm with you, Pete (#87). The only thing I can think is that if he did dive at the feet and Ings fell over him Pickford could have seen the red card. Unless he was under the impression Ings would be pulled up for offside. Who can tell?

Duncan has not been "relegated to the back benches" (Gerard #89). He is correctly being "social distanced" as are all the other substitutes and support team.

Paul Rimmer
96 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:24:28
Excruciating. That first half was as bad as the FA Cup defeat. Gomes, Iwobi and Davies were amateurish. DCL was poor but was only feeding off scraps. Lee Mason couldn't wait to give a decision against us. We lack leaders on the pitch - someone to tell the ref he's having a mare, and give a rollicking to players who are coasting. 4 signings needed - 2 CM, 1 RM and a striker.
Andy Crooks
97 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:29:29
We are a poor team lacking in belief and will. I thought the defence looked okay but we have no midfield. They just aren't very good.

There is one thing, though, that could make a huge difference:
Duncan Ferguson must pin Carlo to the floor and, foregoing social distancing, tell him this, right into his fucking face.
"Boss, Pickford and those directly in front of him are light years short of the ability or confidence to fuck around in our penalty area. You must not encourage this. They look bewildered and frightened. Make them stop".

Finally, surely the game is up for Pickford. He spreads panic and fear. At one stage he flapped away a shot that Pat Jennings could have caught with one hand while smoking a cigar with the other. Pickford puts a knot in my stomach while I watch from an armchair hundreds of miles away. What anti calming effect does have on the defence?
We are unpleasant to watch.

To me, this is not an Italian defensive masterclass. It is a tactic used, with some success, by a series of Northern Ireland managers out of sheer lack of an alternative. Defend deep and see what happens. That is what Mr Moshiri has shelled out for. It's sad.

Jason Li
98 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:29:32
Carlo can't play too many kids in the last few games, as we get about £2 million for every place higher at the finish. If we want good signings, we need as much money as we can put in a pot for Carlo, as selling some of our players won't be easy this summer.

This can only mean playing who is the best in each position currently. This means we know Baningemi and so on are nowhere near as good as Davies or Gordon, or they would have come on as subs this season already - based on where each player is today, not counting where academy players may have been in their progress in the past.

That's not to say next season they can be good enough from coaching, e.g. JJ Kenny.

I just reckon Carlo thinks they don't show better than what we see on public display from the first 11, compared to the academy players in matches behind closed doors. Ouch!

Colin Glassar
99 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:33:11
Robert 93, my first thought is, this kid doesn’t know what or where he’s supposed to be on the pitch! He makes aimless runs, his positioning is poor, he has zero anticipation, he looks lost. I’ve seen him play in Italy and he was explosive but with us he looks like a dud and I can’t see any coaching.

Paul 96, Tom, fucking Iwobi and Gomes on current form wouldn’t get into a league 2 team. They are worse than substandard.

Mike Gaynes
100 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:33:16
Pete and Terry, EVERYBODY stopped for that goal. The whole defense looked like an oil painting, especially Keane. And Pickford diving at Ings' feet would have accomplished nothing, because Ings had already pulled the ball back and away from him.

Just a general train wreck on that play.

Trevor Peers
101 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:36:27
Good grief Annika #94. Siggy must have killed your cat in another life you really do hate his guts don't you. Worst player? They were all crap !
Robert Williams
102 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:38:17
Since the restarted season our back line has been the only thing to bring any cheer, albeit, minimal. Of the four constants- Keane, Holgate and Digne have stood out. Holgate is said to be of interest to City but I don't think will want to leave Everton at this stage of his career. Keane has been the subject of much criticism, but has shown some improvement under Carlo, many will want to get rid of him but he is not likely to want to move. That leaves Digne, who for me has shown his class time and again, ok he does make mistakes, who doesn't? but overall he's probably our most consistent player at present. I like the way he handles himself, he is self assured, and get's stuck-in in a workmanlike manner. Would he leave? This is what I am worried about. There is talk that three or four clubs are after him. We never thought that Ghana would go, but go he did and we have not managed to replace him yet. The way this crowd are playing it must be disheartening for Digne and should he decide that the grass is greener somewhere else I would not blame him. I only hope that Carlo and that other fellow we have manage to persuade him otherwise.
Andrew Clare
103 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:38:42
Awful awful awful. We are so bad we must be the most boring team in the league. Will we ever get out of this mid table mediocrity?
I honestly can’t remember when we completely dominated a game from start to finish. We look hopeless. I bet Southampton can’t believe they didn’t win that game. We were hardly in it.
Carlo has got a mammoth task on his hands. He needs a massive transfer kitty to change things. Will he have it? I am not so sure.
Jerome Shields
104 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:38:45
Wasn't able to watch match, but having gone through the live forum and match articles, it's seems it is more of the same. Midfield pretty useless and Gomes trying to get on the ball in Everton s Third and making a hash of Ancelottis defensive tactics in the process. Lucky to get a draw. Really need big changes at Everton.

Gordon sounds he is building on his previous promising performances.

Jonathan Tasker
105 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:40:06
Just read this

I think you'll all enjoy

As I was watching Spurs v Everton last night a thought struck me… what is the point of Everton?

Everton have been ever present in the Premier League and in that time (28 seasons and counting) they have never finished in the top 3 (and obviously never in the bottom 3). 28 seasons of never competing for the title and never being relegated. In that time Norwich, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Newcastle and Leicester have all finished in the top 3 but not Everton. They have reached 1 FA Cup final in the last 25 years and haven’t reached the League Cup final since the 1980s. Everton have never actually won the League Cup which puts them in the shadow of such luminaries as Oxford United, Stoke, Swansea, QPR, Swindon, Luton, Birmingham and West Brom.

Since the start of the Premier League both Middlesbrough and Fulham have reached European finals but Everton haven’t. Coventry City, Blackburn, Newcastle and Sunderland have all had a Premier League top scorer but Everton haven’t. They haven’t had a Player of the Year since the mid-1980s and have never had a Young Player of the Year.

The sun rises and sets, players come and go, presidents are impeached and pandemics threaten our existence but through it all Everton finish mid-table. Always and forever mid-table. I mean, seriously, what is the point of Everton?

Bill Gall
106 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:41:55
This game was simply a replica of the last couple of seasons. When Everton get themselves into a chance of European football with 7-8 games to play they just freeze and go into a shell of mediocrity.

As other supporters have stated you cannot blame the shutdown as all teams were involved in it, yet Everton seems to have come out of it lethargic, with no fight, and no ability to move from defense into attack and yet, other teams have been seen to improve. It just makes me wonder what kind of fitness training goes on at F.F.

Its no use looking to next season unless the mindset within the club changes to one of a winning attitude. what we need desperately is the owner and chairman to get rid of the plucky Everton attitude and adapt the J.Moore's attitude of Everton supporters need the best and we should give them the best. (apologize if that is not the correct statement but older supporters will no what I meant )

That's enough for now will have to sit down take a pill or a few rum and cokes and chill out to build myself up for the next disappointment. It's becoming more and more monotonous watching Everton and can imagine other managers have no fear in playing them.

Robert Williams
107 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:42:18
RM 93."What’s your first thought whenever Moise Kean comes on as a substitute?"
WTF not this Wally again - get rid!!
Paul Swan
108 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:45:44
Can’t believe how badly set up we were - again! for this game. Appalling all over the field and off it. We are getting conned left right and centre by these players and management team. What do they do in training? I’m just waiting for a refund on next season’s ticket because I’m finished with this shite. Ancelotti can’t/won’t turn this shite around
Colin Glassar
109 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:46:44
Thanks for that Jonathan. Final nail and all that
Mike Corcoran
110 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:50:05
He has been woeful but Andre Gomes is not ready mentally or physically after having half his leg stuck back together. Too much expected too soon. Hopefully he’ll make a full recovery over the coming months but I think he needs cameos over starting. He has had a brutal reintroduction.
John Boon
111 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:55:13
John McFarlane (62). I understand your reluctance to watch games in what has been a farce of a season. I also just cannot get too worked up about following a season that should be over. Perhaps it is is pure masochism or an inability to just refuse to watch a game without crowds. However if Everton are on the TV I will be watching.

I just cannot take these games seriously. The Everton players seem as bored as most of the idiotic fans like me. This season was over in March and all the games are practice games. We are playing really badly. Unfortunately this closed door stuff is very likely to go on for the new season. I do not have sufficiently high Principles or strengh to deny myself the pleasure or pain of watching Everton play.

I will be watching next season from Game 1. The difference is that I will be far more willing to have a critical eye and mind for the games. My expectations will be much higher. I want Ancelotti to be successful and I hope he is given funds. However whatever happens I will be WATCHING the games. At our age we need to take the opportunity to watch as many games as we can. Football still means too much to me to deny myself the chance to see one more game and then another one. And as many more that I am capable of watching.

Come on John just turn on that TV and torture yourself like ME. Wolves next. Everton will win just for you !!!

Brian Wilkinson
112 Posted 09/07/2020 at 22:56:59
Hugh@70, how about this for a starting 11, defence unchanged and attack, across the midfield play Gordon and Baningime, if injured then Davies instead of Gomes, with either Digne or Baines playing out wide on the left, the other as left back, take your pick for the right winger.

Baningime has got to be given some game time, tough tackler and handy on the ball as well.

Martin Mason
113 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:11:52
I think that we need to accept that the squad we have is simply incapable of playing decent football against teams around us in the middle of the table like Southampton. We are incapable of winning against the 4 good teams at the top of the EPL who should be in a different league and we are incapable of winning away or even at home against second tier teams like Leicester, Wolves and even Burnley now. The standard of teams at our level and below is truly pathetic and the clubs should be prosecuted for taking money off people for watching it. The chances of us getting a European slot next year are similar to what they are now namely minus zero. We need far more than a great manager and one or two quality buys. Nobody in that midfield, the key part of the whole side would get into a top 10 club consistently and none would get on Liverpool's U23 Bench. That is where we are, there is no silver lining. I would like to be able to stop watching Everton or even looking for results but after a lifetime it is an addiction really.
Jerome Shields
114 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:17:16
In my opinion the problem in midfield is that Gomes is suppose to be the anchor, but he can't get on the ball, so he goes deeper trying to. This leave it that other midfielder have to move deep to be to be available to link with him. This isolates the attack and encourages the opposition defence to push up in support on there own midfield, who are able to support their attack.

Gomes plays that deep to get on the ball he often interferes with Evertons defence and makes tackles in dangerous areas, which he should be making further forward.

Christy Ring
115 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:21:59
Can Baningime be any worse than Sigurdsson Iwobi and even Gomes, NO, why not start him???
Andy Riley
116 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:22:11
Does anyone else think it’s rubbish on that Amazon Prime. It’s about three minutes behind time and I get texts from Sky about what’s happened before they come on the ‘live’ TV!
Kieran Kinsella
117 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:24:44
Andy Crooks 97

Perfect analogy with Northern Ireland. They’ve got a ragtag crew of hasbeens and nobodies so that’s the best they can do and they do it very well. But you’re right, when Moise makes a run it’s like watching Shane Lavery thinking “he’s shit but please God a miracle.” When Keane and Mina are under pressure it’s like watching Anton Rogan and just hoping the gravity of his large head sucks in the ball so it doesn’t reach the opposing striker. But we are paying these absolute ass clowns millions. Coleman had “difficult” discussions to agree a partial wage deferral. What a bunch of shameless crooks they all are.

Ian Pilkington
118 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:25:54
Jonathan@105
The point is that we are still the 4th most successful club in England and we now have a world class manager for the first time since 1987.
The immediate problem is that this summer he has got to offload at least six players signed by four previous managers and sign at least three or four new ones.
Brian@112
Baningime did look a good prospect before his injury at Wigan. His presence on the bench since the restart hopefully indicates he is rated by Carlo and he must surely be given a start.
Iwobi is on course to be the biggest transfer flop in our history.

Laurie Hartley
119 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:36:34
Dick #+71 - my answer is yes but not much. I have no doubt we would have lost that game under Silva. That’s the not

The paradox is that the two best Everton players on the pitch were Silva’s players Richarlison and Digne. We should be very grateful to Marco for that.

My Optus worked fine - the only thing you missed was a magnificent Pin point cross field pass by Digne to Richarlison who brought it under control and finished it beautifully.

Mike Gaynes
120 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:38:49
Christy #115, apparently Carlo doesn't think he's good enough. Neither did Silva. Or Paul Cook at Wigan.

There's a reason this kid hasn't played a Prem minute since 2018, hasn't started a game since 2017, and never came close to playing a full 90 minutes except for 3 Europa League games. We don't know what that reason is, but there assuredly is one.

Carlo will play him when he thinks he's ready. Whether it be next game, next season or never.

Steve Greir
121 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:39:53
Missed the game, had to get the hedge clippers sharpened, and haven't had time yet to read through all the posts. Am thinking at this stage though, that there may be two positives to take from today: (1) no one wasted any hard-earned traveling to watch this 'match'; and (2) had we played a wee bit better and nicked a 2-1 win, we'd be stuck with more of this shite next season.

Apologies if I have echoed similar sentiments posted earlier. Promise to do better next game, though I hear the lawn-mower is rattling a bit

Don Alexander
122 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:44:09
I apologise if any of the previous posts have said what I'm going again to say (too numb by the ineptitude of the performance to read the entire thread) but I really do believe, for the past twenty years as we alone have failed among the six "big" clubs who created the Premier League, to measure up to such hard-earned prominence in the late 20th century.

I've long believed that the whole of the football world, mainly involving agents and not-quite-good-enough-to-win-anything players, see Everton as the best they're ever going to do contract-wise. With us they're comfortable, for years, on fat contracts given them by our ludicrous chairman (every agent's favourite boss).

Thus we now, yet again, see a squad bloated with complacent millionaires who know to their core that they simply don't have to try, until their contract renewal approaches of course. Kevin Campbell lived that life twenty years ago. It kills us as trophy winners.

Moshiri has made seriously unwise decisions from day one. Now he's appointed Ancelotti. If he has any hope of achieving success, financial as it will always be to Moshiri, he simply must take a really big gulp and provide Carlo with the mega-millions he squandered under his former appointees.

Otherwise, why is Moshiri involved?

David Pearl
123 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:46:29
I thought Siggy played quite well when he came on but he has to always have the right blend around him... and of course he's never a central mid. I want to see something other than a 442 start our next game. If we do stick with that formation for next season then Siggy, Bernard, lwobi etc will join the list of players we will be loaning out till their contracts run down. Shocking. Another manager, another style, another complete rebuilding job. How about we give our flair players a chance at least and play to their strengths instead of forcing them into a system that only suits a few players. Enough.
Mike Price
124 Posted 09/07/2020 at 23:58:49
Terry #80, Mason has been like a kopite refereeing our games for years now. He has a clear bias against us which should be highlighted by our club but we just bend over and take it. If the redshite get a 50/50 against them in midfield, it’s on the back pages with Klopp screaming about the injustice. It affects and influences future games how are we so naive and dense that we just stay quiet and compliant?
Watch ‘Howard’s Way’ and you see see real men, a band of brothers who don’t take shit off anybody and could play properly too. They would batter most teams in this farce of a league and that includes our VAR protected, vile neighbors.
Bill Gall
125 Posted 09/07/2020 at 00:04:16
Can not believe Ancelotti's comment that we were not as sharp as Southampton because we had I day less than Southampton to recover from the previous game. Didn't Tottenham have one day less than us when we played them and the display then was as bad as today's game. No it is not the days rest between games it is the fitness and attitude of the players that is in question, and that has to come from the manager.

Unless you have the team playing really good and loosing on a questionable decision Excuses are not except-able

Ernie Baywood
126 Posted 09/07/2020 at 00:09:37
That's one hell of a list Iwobi would need to top, Ian.

I can't quite understand Bernard's lack of game time since the restart. He's not a better option than Iwobi?

This season means not a great deal more than nothing. We've got a few games left, we can't do anything worthwhile, it's July and we're playing weird modified games with drinks breaks and extra subs. No fans makes it a slightly less intimidating step up for youngsters.

If you're not going to throw a few in and see how they do then there's little point having them in the system. It's not like we'd be dropping high performers who don't deserve to ride the bench.

Get Beni in there. Get Simms on the bench for some decent game time. Keep Gordon - he's shown the value of this approach.

Kieran Kinsella
127 Posted 10/07/2020 at 00:19:29
Ernie

I imagine Carlo a) doesn’t rate the kids and therefore b) doesn’t want to gamble on them and have a few humiliating thrashings to round out the season. He wants to finish as strongly as possible and get every penny of prize money he can to help the rebuild. 30 years ago in a dead rubber it was different because there wasn’t 3 million quid at stake for each position. But extrapolating from that, yes we we need to offload a lot of these under 23s since he obviously doesn’t rate them

Kieran Kinsella
128 Posted 10/07/2020 at 00:21:48
Bill

Carlo has always been diplomatic and a players manager in public. In private, I imagine he has more to say.

Mary Coleman
129 Posted 10/07/2020 at 00:34:24
#97- Andy, I was told Ferguson had it out with the players after the embarrassing Derby defeat from Liverpool’s youth team, the players were not happy with him and he was told to stay quiet because the players can’t take it..
Derek Thomas
130 Posted 10/07/2020 at 00:46:20
I watched it after breakfast, gave up at half time so as to put together 2 flat pack bedside tables I'd been putting off for a few days - thank god for the missus and her online shopping.
Brian Wilkinson
131 Posted 10/07/2020 at 00:48:59
Jesus wept Mary, good job it was Dunc and not Alex Ferguson.

If that is the case then Dunc needs a pat on the back and the mard arses who cannot take criticism shifted out.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

132 Posted 10/07/2020 at 00:53:05
Or Mary @ 129, an alternative story which was given a lot of credence was - yes - Duncan really gave it out after the FA Cup defeat and one player in particular - Fabian Delph - blamed the tactics and set up, rather than accept any responsibility.

Carlo Ancelotti heard about this and - in front of all the players - tore Delph a new one. Not that any of them understood. Carlo's rage was in Italian, but everyone very much got the message behind his words.

Don't mistake his suave, smiling manner at pressers as evidence of being soft.

Don Alexander
133 Posted 10/07/2020 at 01:10:20
Mary (#129) if Ferguson, the most bogus "pro" footballer I've ever seen, had the temerity to bollock any other "pro" footballer at USMFF for lack of desire, regardless of how deserved the criticism is, I'd expect them all to deride him as a total hypocrite.

Ferguson in our club is anathema to improvement. He's just one of the large gang of complacent yes-men ex-players still infesting USMFF courtesy of our delusional chairman.

USMFF is the antithesis of professional. It's a comfy place where ordinary players are year after year indulged by their ordinary coaches, all of them, one and all, recognizing that the one person key to the continuance of their own lavish lifestyles is the chairman, our owner having publicly stated that his own inadequacy as a football-man led to him most recently enhancing Kenwright's role in his own boardroom.

The rest of our boardroom leave me cold frankly, but with Kenwright in the chair we're fucked for all time.

Kenn Crawford
134 Posted 10/07/2020 at 01:11:23
Watched the
Game here early morning in Australia I am sick and tired of losing sleep over these overpaid overrated and underperforming bunch of losers. Our midfield must be the most pedestrian midfield in the game, if not for Gordon we would have zero penetration then to compound the problem he takes him off and brings on the most useless player we have in Bernard who quite frankly should be playing for a pub side, sorry but that’s my opinion of him. Apart from a magnificent pass and control and score move we did absolutely nothing in the game worth mentioning. Oh for quick pass and move midfield to get us up the field.
Kieran Kinsella
135 Posted 10/07/2020 at 01:27:33
Kenn

You’re out of line on Bernard. He’d never hack in a pub team. He’s a beach soccer player surely? Probably even prefers a beachball although it may knock him over

Brian Murray
136 Posted 10/07/2020 at 01:37:05
We have now the perfect storm after four very average managers —and that includes Moyes in particular, in the way him and Bill sort of brow-beated a generation of Blues to think we should be grateful for any scraps they throw us as in the shock win and cup run.

As good as Carlo is, I doubt he realises what he is up against. Not just trying to offload these idiots but changing the mentality that he touched on last week. I hope to god I'm wrong and his next steps are to suss out the albatross round his neck in the chairman and probably most of the staff he's been left with.

Dick Fearon
137 Posted 10/07/2020 at 02:04:05
A twitch of an eyebrow a mouthful of gum or a few quiet words are not the kind of motivation to which this shower of backsliders will respond. This overpaid piss taking couldn’t care bunch of second raters need a damn good animated public rollicking.
As a coach at an amateur level I would not tolerate the piss taking couldn’t care less attitude that Carlo accepts from this misbegotten squad of shithouses.
If nothing else, our fans deserve a motivated physically fit team operating within a good tactical game plan.
Regardless the players skill level those items are down to Ancelloti and should be sorted at FF.
Steve Brown
138 Posted 10/07/2020 at 04:18:36
We can't play 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 with this set of midfielders. We should probably play three at the back for the rest of the season simply to put numbers into midfield. Overall, it was Anthony Gordon and Richarlison plus nine passengers.

One other thought, we scored using a long diagonal pass from a full back against their high defensive line. It is a tactic that shite use a lot, but we did not attempt a similar ball for the rest of the game.

Annika Herbert
139 Posted 10/07/2020 at 06:11:48
Trevor@101, I don't actually own a cat, I am a dog person only. But you are right, they were all useless with the possible exceptions of Richi, Gordon and Digne.
I just fail to see how anyone can keep making a case for Sigurdsson's inclusion. But the same can be said of most of that squad at the moment. I would rather see some of the younger players given a run out to the end of the season. Can they truly be any worse than what we are currently seeing?
Phil Sammon
140 Posted 10/07/2020 at 07:36:37
Everyone is quick to get on Sigurdsson’s back, but what about Gomes in that game? He looked desperately unfit. He couldn’t even be arsed protesting the completely unjust penalty given against him.

You’re spoilt for choice when trying to determine our biggest waste of money over the last 5 years but Yerry Mina has to be well in the conversation.

Watching him ‘sprint’ actually had me laughing out loud at the tv. He sprints like someone who learned to walk that morning.

Eddie Dunn
141 Posted 10/07/2020 at 07:40:00
Annika- Sigurdsson stepped-in to the roll that Gomes vacated. Siggy has proved that his only position is at 10, and in recent months something has happened to him. I presume it is his engine slowing down. Over his career he has worked tirelessly closing people down as well as using his good technique. He is either diminished through injuries or his legs a have gone.
I think he is an honest pro, giving his best. he is simply no longer fit enough for this league, he should pop over to France with Schniedes where he will have more time on the ball.
Once he slotted into the holding role he disappeared, like Gomes before him.
The midfield is lacking pace right across it and with two totemic centre halves and an aging(knackered ) Coleman on the right and a ghost in front of him(iwobi) our onlt hope was the Digne /Gordon axis on the left.
Although DCL ran manfully and Richarlison provided them with a target to kick(why didn't that wanker Mason book Prowse?) the forwards had scraps to feed off.
Personally, I would give Benny a go in the next game and with Gomes seemingly injured and Delph still not ready for 90 minutes, Baningame might at last get the nod.
Oh how we miss Gueye. At least the pace and strength of Sidebe showed Iwobi up to be an absolute waste of space on the right.
It is time to give Iwobi the ten role and see if he can do what Siggy is no longer able to do. He has pace and balance and if he fails to impress, then he needs to be sold pronto.
Craig Walker
142 Posted 10/07/2020 at 08:05:36
I like Gomes based on his performance in the Anfield derby where Pickford ruined Christmas. He seems a great bloke and he looks the part but he hasn’t been great for a long time. He continually passes backwards which frustrates me. I know he had an horrific injury but he’s one of those players where his reputation is better than his performances. Tom Davies and Alex Iwobi are two of the worst players I’ve seen wearing our shirt. What do they offer? Davies is living off that goal against Man City and the fact he’s a local lad. I think he’s worse than Schneiderlin. There aren’t many positives at the minute. I like Gordon”s willingness. Richarlison is the one quality player we have.

People talk about Europe but we seem miles off at the moment. There’s a lot of deadwood, impacted finances and not enough players who are good enough for our great club.

Paul Setter
143 Posted 10/07/2020 at 08:08:57
Was there an actual reason why a bang average Arsenal side pulled Everton’s pant’s down over Iwobi. I was absolutely livid when the club signed him and I’ve never got over it. Easily the clubs worst player and that’s going some considering some of the other tripe the club was wasted money on over the years.
Offers absolutely nothing. Not a thing!
I know everyone has their opinions but I really don’t get any Blue thinking “ He will come good given games “ muck he is diabolical.
Yesterday’s game was another in a long annoying list where he doesn’t do a single thing.
The club will do well to give him away he is that bad.
Danny Baily
144 Posted 10/07/2020 at 08:17:03
Gomes wasn't unfit or tired last night,he's just slow. And has been all along. Remember the game at villa park earlier in the season? Going to be a challenge to fit him in to this or any side.
Tony Everan
145 Posted 10/07/2020 at 08:31:53
Starting to believe that VAR is a cover for corruption in football Three decisions in each of last nights games all called wrong by the VAR referee. Makes me wonder whether this is being used as a control device to determine the desired outcome of games.
Lester Yip
146 Posted 10/07/2020 at 08:46:27
1) Agree it's time to at least give Baningime some minutes if not from the start.
2) Lee Mason is a complete fraud. We're lucky to get a point when the ref was consistently penalising us.
3) Kean seems to run a bit more at speed in the last 2 games than just jogging around. I count this as a positive. We lover triers.
Robert Williams
147 Posted 10/07/2020 at 08:49:55
My decision to take the refund money and cancel my Season Ticket gets better after every game. All I have to do now is accept no more 'Free" Sky passes and stop my Amazon Prime as I have far more interesting things to do with my time.
Everton have had 60 years of my support - enough's enough!!
Brian Porter
148 Posted 10/07/2020 at 09:02:08
The game aside, I'm pleased to see that Ancelloti has stated that he felt referee Lee Mason's performance last night was "not so good".
Carli is without a doubt a superb diplomat as I'm sure he would have loved to say what he really thinks, but would doubtless have been in trouble if he had done.
Lee Mason is without doubt one of the worst referees in the Premier League and his failure to even consult the VAR official when I think it was Gordon was clearly pushed in the back in the second half and his failure to award a red card when Richarlison was brought down when through on goal were just two examples of the man's total ineptitude,

People have mentioned corruption in the past and though there is always denial that any of our referees are corrupt, it does seem strange that whenever Mason is in charge of any game involving Everton there is always some degree of controversy connected to his performance. So, if he's not corrupt, he is at least inept or biased and should not be allowed to referee in the Premier League.

Jerome Shields
149 Posted 10/07/2020 at 09:05:15
Craig #142

Premier League Clubs have the measure of Gomes and know how to play him. He was never going to be the player to build the Everton midfield around. The fact that he has provide 1 assist in 49 games shows that he is going to be the opposite, a passenger in midfield.

Mark Murphy
150 Posted 10/07/2020 at 09:06:24
Jonathan
The whole point of Everton is that God is pissed off with me for something amongst the many things I did wrong as a Catholic kid and is punishing me with hope and crushing disappointment. Even when we were good he made sure I was working abroad and missed it.
It’s the only possible answer.
Danny Baily
151 Posted 10/07/2020 at 09:26:28
Jonathan 105.

Birmingham City, Swansea City, Portsmouth, Blackburn Rovers, Middlesbrough, Leicester City, Wigan Athletic, Aston Villa, Tottenham, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man UTD, Chelsea and Man City. All of these clubs have won a major trophy since Everton last did.

What's worse is that we've had so few games with something (positive) really riding on them in the last quarter of a century. One FA cup final, 3 semi finals, two League cup semi finals. Maybe home games against UTD/Newcastle in 2005 and Arsenal/UTD in 2014 in the league.

Let's hope this changes starting next season.

Anthony Jones
152 Posted 10/07/2020 at 09:30:20
We have been off the pace mentally and physically in midfield for a long time now. Throw some U23s in and see how they do. Couldn't be any worse than that show.
Tony Shelby
153 Posted 10/07/2020 at 09:31:33
I wonder if we're the worst team Ancelotti has managed?

If last night's insipid performance is anything to go by then I wouldn't be surprised.

Hugh Jenkins
154 Posted 10/07/2020 at 09:43:23
I believe that Carlo Ancelotti is far from deluded about the nature of the squad he has inherited nor the size of the task facing him.

However, he has to try to motivate these players to give their "best" for the remaining games.

He therefore can't openly criticise them as being lazy, incompetent, nor inept.

He has said, in an interview reported in the more serious press that he has been promised substantial funds, by the board, to improve the team this summer.

So, all we can do for now is, watch this space.

Hopefully, with the signing of two or three key players, he can make to who team "tick".

It has happened before - let's just hope it will happen again.

Anthony Jones
155 Posted 10/07/2020 at 09:44:54
Moise Kean has to be in our top 5 most disappointing players of all time. He plays like a kid.

Iwobi looked like a rugby player who had been asked to make up the numbers.

Gomes thought he was on the beach playing 5-a-side.

Mina looked like he was running in treacle, and Keane was even slower.

Pickford should have dived at the lad's feet instead of watching him score.

That was utter shite and no manager could get them into the top 4. No way.

Tony Everan
156 Posted 10/07/2020 at 10:02:01
This has got to be Carlo Ancelloti’s biggest challenge.
Even if/when he gets his first choice 2 or 3 players in that is only the tip of the iceberg.

He has to change the mind numbing mediocrity that pervades the whole club. It is like rising damp seeping into the walls of our institution.

In his quiet moments, lying in bed, Carlo will be thinking “ What the fuck was going on here before I arrived”. Some of the players on our books contribute next to nothing and most of them never will.

Thank god this season horribilis is over and the Carlo revolution can start, with his players and his team.

I have had enough of false dawns, can we have a spectacular real one for a change?

Jonathan Tasker
157 Posted 10/07/2020 at 10:27:28
Tony @145, I have said it from the start.

VAR is only there as a safety net to ensure that the cabal that run football get the verdicts that they want.

For example, at the moment, the cabal are ensuring that Man Utd, as one of the biggest clubs in the world, get into the Champions League. Very conveniently, Man Utd are at Leicester City for the final game of the season. The cabal will probably already have it sorted by then. If not, that could be very interesting to observe.

I consider VAR to stand for “very awkward results”.

Mary Coleman
158 Posted 10/07/2020 at 10:31:54
#129 - Don, thank you for your thoughts, however I cannot agree with any off it.
I was at the Chelsea home win and in the away end at Man U game, I witnessed all the players having total respect for Ferguson as a man and coach.
Also in my opinion our chairman is a true blue and continues to support our club and fans, just wish the current group of players showed the same passion and fight for our club as Kenwright and Ferguson have done!!!
Laurie Hartley
159 Posted 10/07/2020 at 10:42:02
Tony # 156 - I am by and large an optimist when it comes to Everton and it’s players but this lot are really putting that to the test.

If Carlo Ancelloti can turn us into a top six side next season I personally will rank it among his greatest achievements in football.

The one shining light amongst the lot of them is Richarlison. This lad has been getting kicked off the park but he keeps going again and again.

The number of times he has had the sides of his legs and ankles deliberately raked in the last two games is in double figures.

These referees (rotten swines) need to take a long hard look at some replays and start giving the lad some protection.

If they don’t he will pop very shortly and get sent off.

Sean Kelly
160 Posted 10/07/2020 at 10:47:09
“Uninspired Blues” that sums it up for me. We have a to notch manager And even he can’t get them fired up. Not his fault. I’d let Duncan at them for an hour before kick off. These dead woods are draining this club and bringing everyone down with them. The mentality at this club is all wrong. When faced with tough challengers in life we have two options. Fight or flee. Unfortunately our playing staff, some of our background staff and our board have taken the latter option.
Someofour recent managers have used the in words “character and personality” but they mistakenly thought that jokers qualified to lay for our club. The character and personality I want at this club is that of a graveson, Reid or a mountfield. Tough determined and pride. Not much of that atHoodison at the moment.
Clive Rogers
161 Posted 10/07/2020 at 11:05:15
Mary, 158, Kenwright is a complete fraud and the only thing he really cares about is himself and hanging on to the chairman’s position. He has turned us into a small club and has basically just sat there and done nothing. He has never put a penny into the club but has become a rich man by selling his shares. Fought for the club and fans, don’t make me laugh.
Joe McMahon
162 Posted 10/07/2020 at 11:24:03
Mary, where was this passion on the 3rd Ferguson game at home to at the time an awful Arsenal team. The new manager effect lasted 2 games.

As for Kenwright hes the one common connection going back well over 20 years that has been ever present during Evertons catastrophic demise. The fall from grace is now insurmountable. We are awful to watch, home stadium is still a outdated shocker (BMD is years away if at all) and many awful players signed for eye watering fees on ludicrous wages on long contracts. Theres the reality.
Rant Over.

Fraser Auld
163 Posted 10/07/2020 at 11:36:15
Our midfield and Carlo’s 442 have been rumbled...other teams are just setting up to swarm the middle of the park and press the second a midfielder gets the ball.

Carlo needs to change it up - if he wants to keep the Ritchie DCl combination then there are other formations he can try to the end of the season that keep them up top without leaving the midfield so exposed. Maybe try the 352 he went with 2nd half yesterday or 4312 or 4132.

Whatever, point is, how many games does it take of having to make changes to the balance of the team at half time (because of the same issues) before you think - maybe i’ll Just start the next game with that 2nd half set up?

Eddie Dunn
164 Posted 10/07/2020 at 11:45:18
On the subject of the quality of these players, can anybody cast their minds back just a few months ago to the game at Goodison against the Manchester Utd side that is now pulling up trees.
We were unfortunate to have the "winner " chalked off for Siggy being in sight of the goalie.
The only difference in our line-up were Holgate for Mina, Walcott for Iwobi, and Baines for Digne.
They put on a good display and should have won it.
Therefore this squad can do it but for some reason, since lockdown their heads aren't on it.
The answer lies with the players and coaches. Something just isn't right.
Mary Coleman
165 Posted 10/07/2020 at 11:53:52
#162 - Joe that was Fergusons 4th game, I think you are forgetting about the Leicester fixture when we fought back from 2-0 down, there was plenty of heart and desire on the pitch and all around Goodison that day.

From what I witnessed the players showed heart and desire in all the games Ferguson was in charge for, but as we’ve touched on they are just not good enough.

In my opinion Brands and Walsh have a lot to answer for, it’s their jobs to bring top players in and they have failed, let’s hope Brands gets it right this summer!!

James Newcombe
166 Posted 10/07/2020 at 12:21:11
We're going to have to sign at least three very good options in central midfield - Schneiderlin gone, Sigurdsson on the decline, Gbamin seemingly a write off. If you play 4-4-2 - and i'm not against it - they really need to be top notch, tireless players. I don't think we're miles away from being a good side, but this is a very important window coming up.
Fraser Auld
167 Posted 10/07/2020 at 12:24:58
You’re right that recruitment has been abysmal Mary.

You hear a lot of good things about Brands and recruitment in his first year was a marked improvement on previous.

Looking at last year though, selling Gana for 30 mil and bring in - Iwobi circa 30 mil, Kean circa 25 mil, Gbamin 25 mil and Delph (whatever it was it was too much) - have any of them improved the team or hinted that they might improve the team in the future?

That’s around 90 million on duds to make the team worse - it’s approaching Steve Walsh levels of incompetence. Nobody can defend that recruitment. He needs a good window this summer for sure.

Jack Convery
168 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:10:25
I see VAR has officially decided they got it wrong !! Like telling an innocent mans family the day after you executed him - we are sorry - whats the point ? Idiots everywhere or is it deliberate ? I know what I think.
Brent Stephens
169 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:17:44
Jack, have they officially said that? I see Dermot Gallagher reckons all last night's penalty decisions were wrong.
Brian Wilkinson
170 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:18:48
Jack, week in week out we see players going down for penalties and when called upon, none have served a three match ban for cheating or simulation as they like to call it, none except for Niasse and a West Ham player.

Ok Mason dropped a clanger for the spot kick, but how many times against us have var given the ref a signal when he had not given anything, where was var yesterday asking Mason to have a second look.

James Fletcher
171 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:20:27
VAR had a mare yesterday generally - the penalty and the possible red card were all bad decisions
Brent Stephens
172 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:21:01
Jack, just seen it! Too late for us now though.
John McFarlane Snr
173 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:22:52
Hi John [111] I have deliberated long and hard, in a way to offer a response to your post, without receiving more derogatory remarks, may I add? [not from your good self] not that I'm overly concerned about such remarks. The truth is that I have quite often changed my mind on countless issues, but my principles have served me well down the years, and I feel quite comfortable in upholding them.

Although I haven't seen a minute of any live televised football, I have seen the occasional clip on Sky Sports News, the injustice of some of the decisions of both referee and VAR in some games has been unforgivable. The latest being the penalty decisions in the Aston Villa vs Manchester United, and Everton vs Southampton games, together with the non-penalty decision in the Bournemouth vs Tottenham Hotspur game.

I listened to both the Everton and Aston Villa games, and during the latter game the commentator John Murray, I think, implied that the 5 from 9 substitution rule was to be implemented in the Premier League next season. I have already purchased mine and my Grandson's season tickets, and if what he said is true there is every chance that I will walk away from football, if the 'Grim Reaper' allows me the time.

With regard to the Everton situation, I think that it's been patently clear that we have lacked pace and creativity in mid field for a number years, and whether Carlo Ancelotti is the man for the job or not, is too early to determine. The football that fans are demanding, [in my opinion] can't be achieved with the current players at his disposal, I am prepared to cut him a bit of slack and hope that any signings he may make will give the fans what they deserve.

Joe McMahon
174 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:29:03
Mary @165 correct, I forgot about the Leicester game at it was a cup match at home that we ultimately lost (albeit on penalties). Please don't forget to add Koeman to you list. The man was vile. Another Moshiri gem decision.
Annika Herbert
175 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:31:40
Eddie@141, most of the points you make I fully agree with. I do accept that Siggi can only play the number 10 position although I don’t think he has ever made a great job of it. Despite the 13 goals last season. Not one for stats I did actually dig deep into Siggi’s past record.
It isn’t great. He rarely creates chances from open play and most of the chances he does create come from free kicks and corners. This is borne out by the stats. At the time I was against his signing and he has done nothing to change my mind. This season, as you quite rightly stated, it appears his legs are totally gone.
At this moment in time our midfield is awful. Delph was another signing I was against. We urgently need some pace, power and creativity adding to that midfield area. I did have high hopes for Iwobi but they now look totally misguided. The end of this season cannot come quickly enough!
But, with nothing to play for, why not give the U23’s a run? Despite what I have read previously, can Beningime actually be any worse than what we are currently watching? Adeniran is another. If they fail to perform, move them on as well as the deadwood
John Kavanagh
176 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:37:30
Looking at this train wreck of a season, we can count ourselves very lucky that our calamitous signings of the last few years haven't resulted in relegation (yet). If we had persisted with Silva we would be where Villa are now. Despite what his detractors on TW say, Big Dunc saved us.

We have an ever expanding list of vastly overpriced/overpaid duds that no one wants, whilst the big clubs look to take whatever talented players we have and offload their rubbish onto our books. Can anyone say with confidence that Richarlison, Digne and Holgate will still be Everton players next season - or that Jones and Lingard won't be? Answers on a postcard to Bill 'The Negotiator' Kenwright.

The other big issue highlighted last night is corruption in the EPL. It has been written off as simply incompetence or off days by officials for years now. We don't find corruption simply because we don't look for it, as the cricketing authorities found out with the various Asian betting scandals.

The ridiculous decisions last night in all 3 matches were backed by VAR; a system meant to overturn clear and obvious errors not compound or create them. If something unexpected happens once, it's unfortunate. If it happens twice it's an unfortunate coincidence. If it happens three times something stinks.

Whose to say that big money or Dubai condos haven't been changing hands over Man U getting a CL spot, Villa being relegated or on penalties being awarded (like the infamous 'no balls' bets in cricket)? Was Crappenberg's retirement following - to put it politely - some highly unusual officiating an example of things being swept under the FA Axminster? To assume that corruption only lies at the very top in Blatter's Fifa and Platini's UEFA is complacent. There are at least four referees who you would be very unwise to buy a used car from. Unfortunately, we got one of them last night.

Paul Tran
177 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:57:50
Last night told us nothing new.

We have no midfield. Gomes & Siggy are picked on reputation and the hope that they'll start living up to it. Davies is a willing young player desperate for on-pitch guidance. Bernard & Iwobi don't impose themselves on games.

That's the problem. Won't change until replacements come in.

The fantasy of Ferguson doing a Mike Bassett act on the players is nonsense. Doesn't work these days. Whatever he did, it didn't go beyond his first two games.

Since the lockdown ended, the defence has been better organised and we have two excellent young strikers. That alone will mean we'll win more than we lose.

This summer we need to buy two centre mids who can tackle, pass and locate the other teams' penalty area.

I hope Carlo will be in charge of this, as I trust his judgement more than Brands'.

Amidst the rubbish last night, that goal was a thing of beauty. Wonderful pass, first touch and finish.

Eddie Dunn
178 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:59:20
Annika, I also hoped that Iwobi might turn out to be decent. He had managed to gain appearances for an Arsenal side that had better quality than us so perhaps there was a player in there. The lad is frustrating as he looks quick, balanced, and I wonder had he scored yesterday whether he would have grown in confidence and showed what he can do.
It can't purell be his price tag that has compelled Carlo to persevere with him. He must be showing something in training.
As I said in my earlier post, most of the team who performed so well against man U just a few months back, looked like they had only just had the rules of the game read out to them in the tunnel.
Confidence, ambition, hopes, dreams personal pride. How can it seem so hard to motivate these guys?
It's an easy life being a pro-footballer in a midtable side.
No pressure to win every week to maintain top four hopes, no one expects a wembley final every season(as fans do at Liverpool, Manchester, and the London three.)
These blokes are nearly all internationals and have managed to represent their nations without great personal success.
Some of them have secret ambitions to join bigger clubs and win things(Pickford, Richarlison, Digne). Perhaps this is why those three look up for it.
The rest are either on the way down(Coleman,Walcott). Hoping to stay at this level (Keane, Mina, Davies).
Or might just be the spine of a future team...Holgate, Gordon and DCL.
For some the realisation that they will soon be off to pastures new result in shitting-out of tackles, not arguing with the ref about obvious errors(the pen last night...imagine what Spurs players would have said), and not leaving everything out there on the pitch.
Against Man U most of them tried harder and played far better.
We have had poor away performances for yeas (with only our 3000 die hards behind us). Now at Goodison these frauds know they can take the piss because 40,000 Blues are not there to remind them what it should mean to wear the shirt.
Brian Wilkinson
179 Posted 10/07/2020 at 13:59:40
If a ref makes a mistake in awarding a penalty or not awarding one, that is what var is there for, to step in and have a word in the refs ear, after all did it not happen to us earlier this season.

Everton defender Michael Keane stepped on Brighton forward Aaron Connolly's foot in the box and match referee Andy Madley deemed there to be no foul. But VAR got involved and awarded a penalty to Graham Potter's side making Everton the first team to have a penalty awarded against them by the video assistant referee.

So why did var not step in yesterday, you can bet your life had Southampton played a top 4 side,he would have asked var to check it first.

As per usual, we get the shitty end of the stick.

James Flynn
180 Posted 10/07/2020 at 14:09:52
Siggy is suffering from the same thing Gomes is, not to mention our defenders; Gueye's departure.

After all, Siggy had his best goal-return just last season. The opponents running past Gomes this season were running past him last season, too. And how many attacks never reached our backline last season?

Gana covered all of it. One player.

It's been said again and again in here, for good reason, that Problem #1 for us is the midfield. We all know it and Carlo has stated it.

For now anyway, our defenders are good enough, might even improve next season. At least we're not Arsenal, still sending out Mustafi and Luiz. With that, I'm definitely in the group thinking we need better than Pickford.

But opponent after opponent simply pouring thru our midfield has to be addressed first or we're going nowhere. And everyone, opponents especially, knows it.

Andy Crooks
181 Posted 10/07/2020 at 14:18:35
Tom Davis always looks to me like he's making his debut. In most ways that's a compliment. He tries, he is enthusiastic and shows enough to make it seem like a really promising debut. It just seem to me that after all this time he feels like an imposter who can't believe this is happening.
Frankly, I believe he has what it takes but needs to be more relaxed and confident. Unfortunately that is impossible in the midfield he plays in.

Kean reminds me of Vaughan. Desperate to impress but an injury or red card ready to happen. This is a difficult side for a young player to come in to, a side shot with indecision, bereft of confidence and devoid of passion. What is concerning is that this really should be a time, with nothing to lose, to be expansive, bold and confident.

Kevin Molloy
182 Posted 10/07/2020 at 14:38:19
I really don't think we are being paranoid about the refereeing. You only have to look into the faces of the current crop to know they would be intimidated by the wailings of a big club. And I do think it is a badge of honour for them to give Everton absolutely nothing, as
Goodison has the reputation of being a fearsome ground to referee, so they get the kudos of not bowing to the crowd, with none of the complications of pissing off a 'big club'.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

183 Posted 10/07/2020 at 14:47:45
As Paul Tran says @ 177, the whole dynamic of our midfield and the way the team plays will not dramatically improve with the players we currently have on our books.

You simply cannot make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.

It is my belief that since the re-start the two players playing a midfield role who merit of modicum of praise are the two youngest, Tom Davies and Anthony Gordon. Iwobi has flickered, whereas the two senior players who should be our 'main men' have been almost invisible. And between them I would say Gomes has contributed even less than Siggy.

It's obvious to most where are frailties lie and what needs addressing. I rather fancy that Carlo Ancelotti with all his experience knows that too.

For all the (justified) stick Iwobi gets I have to say I honestly believe he shows glimpses of more inventive and progressive plays than anything Gomes and Siggy have offered this season.

I don't deny the physical side of his game is seriously wanting. Both Dave Abrahams and I called that after his first 2-3 games. But played in the right position he can and does have the ability to open up defences with a telling pass. Something that Gomes and Siggy rarely show these days.

Annika Herbert
184 Posted 10/07/2020 at 14:49:38
Eddie@178, really can’t argue against any of that. Sad as it is to agree with your post.
Kevin Molloy
185 Posted 10/07/2020 at 14:50:09
I think Siggy is taking too much stick at the moment, god knows he's stunk the place out on occastion, but since the restart, he did well when he came on at Liverpool, I think was it the assist at Norwich, ok at Leicester and yesterday, It was only Spurs where he flopped.
Jay Harris
186 Posted 10/07/2020 at 14:59:36
Apparently Holgate will be fit for Sunday while Gomes is fit for nothing.

I would play Holgate defensive mid for the rest of the season in a 4-3-3 (4-5-1) with Sidibe and Davies, front 3 of Richy Gordon and DCL.

That should give us the "bite" we have been missing and with that front 3 should get us goals.

Michael O'Malley
187 Posted 10/07/2020 at 15:02:57
I feel a bit sorry for Iwobi cos at the moment he’s being asked to do something that’s foreign to him, the Arsenal side he played in bossed possession and played one touch pass and move,here bar a couple of players he’s playing with statues who pass but don’t move so every pass is sideways and backwards to retain the ball, Wenger picked him plenty of times and he’s got 38 caps for Nigeria so he’s not shite, I just think he was bought last minute without a thought how he was going to fit into the side
Jim Bennings
188 Posted 10/07/2020 at 15:37:10
Iwobi was a panic buy Michael after the frustration and fruitless Wilfried Zaha pursuit.

I thought at the time it smacked of panic buy because I couldn't see where we had any position he was going to excel in.

The crazy thing about it is that in his first three or four games at the arse end of August and early September he was probably our brightest most innovative player but around early October his form just dipped and then never levelled out again.

I think his Everton career will sadly be over within the year unless a miraculous turnaround in form is evident but I've seen nothing to suggest it, he doesn't create goals and he doesn't look threatening going forward.

He's not a winger because unlike the likes of Deulofeu, Aaron Lennon, he's not direct enough or quick enough, but likewise he's not disciplined with possession to play in the centre.

I can see him eventually ending up somewhere like West Ham for about £12-15 million.

Jeff Armstrong
189 Posted 10/07/2020 at 16:30:46
Sorry Jim #188
£12-15 million is what we should have paid for Iwobi,
I would guess we’d be lucky to get £6million if anybody showed any interest, which they won’t!
he’s going to be the next millstone for another 3 years.
Peter Neilson
190 Posted 10/07/2020 at 16:44:41
Just shouldn't have bought Iwobi full stop.
Jim Bennings
191 Posted 10/07/2020 at 16:51:23
I don't know Jeff, just a wild guess when you consider that we got £15 million for Klaassen when he barely kicked a ball and Liverpool likewise shafted Bournemouth for Dominic Solanke.

Just a wild guess really.

Brian Harrison
192 Posted 10/07/2020 at 17:24:33
Again another very disappointing performance, but we should be used to this kind of performance as this group have disappointed on so many occasions irrespective who the manager has been. The only good thing is I don't dread that we are going to concede every time the opposition get a corner, at least Ancelotti can take credit for that.

Has many have said our performances look so negative yet Ancelotti is playing a 4-4-2 system to start with and the front 6 are all attacking players so nothing negative from his approach. The central midfield no matter who he picks from Sigurdsson, Gomes and Davies have been ineffectual in most games and their lack of pace means they never get to help out the forwards. Our wide players are even more ineffectual than our central midfield, who ever thought buying Iwobi for £30 million when he couldnt get into a very poor Arsenal side has a lot to answer for. Same goes for Bernard never has an impact on the game, creates very little and his goals are as regular as the Preston guild.

The pluses are Holgate, Digne and Richarlison, heaven help us if any or all of these see their futures elsewhere. Since lockdown Gordon has made a big impression and both Keane and Coleman have played well, although still not sure about Mina or Pickford.

I would really love to hear what Ancelotti thinks of the squad he has inherited, they seem incapable of making more than 3 consecutive passes when in our opponents half, and with stats like that we are hardly going to create a lot for our 2 strikers. I think DCL has struggled since lockdown and I agree with Alan Shearer when he said we need a 20 to 25 goal a season striker to help Richarlison and DCL. But the problem with that is what striker who can score that amount of goals would even consider coming to Everton.

I said when Ancelotti signed that this would be the hardest job he has ever taken on, and I think after our last 2 performances if he didnt already know that then he does now. Lets hope he gets the support he needs in the market when it opens, and please don't let Brands sign anymore players without Ancelotti approving the signings, as so far the majority of Brands signings leave a lot to be desired.
I would love to hear what Ancelotti

Bobby Mallon
193 Posted 10/07/2020 at 17:42:50
Danny Baily @151 all those teams you mentioned besides the top six lot have all been relegated and most will never get back in the premiership. Be fucking grateful we still are here in the prem. it only takes a spark and the title or a cup can be ours look at Leicester nearly relegated then won the league. Moan all you like but don’t give shit stats about teams who have won trophies it means nothing.
Chris Williams
194 Posted 10/07/2020 at 17:45:16
I remember when we signed Iwobi, that there were two quotes

Silva said that he was for left midfield, coming in on his right foot, but Brands in a subsequent interview said he was brought in to challenge Sigurdsson at number 10. Which is probably closer to where Iwobi would see himself playing

So take your choice but it doesn’t indicate joined up thinking or a common purpose. Either way he’s not playing in either position currently.

Robert Tressell
195 Posted 10/07/2020 at 17:53:26
Chris - infuriatingly that means we spent £30m on a player we didnt need, since bernard and Richarlison were occupying the left flank to good effect and sigurdsson had just scored 13 goals. Iwobi will never score 13 goals in a season. What we needed at the time is what we still need - a left footed right winger and a centre half to replace Zouma. And because Gbamin is chronically injured we also need a Gueye replacement. To be fair Iwobi may come quite good but I doubt he'll ever be a first 11 mainstay.
Ray Roche
196 Posted 10/07/2020 at 17:54:00
Brian@179

Brian, that Brighton decision was also another occasion when the FA admitted that VAR got it wrong.

Chris Williams
197 Posted 10/07/2020 at 18:05:47
Robert,

Something very odd happened last summer in the window. Moshiri being reported as talking to Zaha direct over a massive transfer, and a collection of signings that seemed to be to thicken up the squad, rather than for guaranteed starters- Delph, Sidibé, Kean et al.

There was a pointed comment by Brands at the AGM to the effect that we can’t afford £70M players, so whatever it was that went on it rankled a bit.

Sam Hoare
198 Posted 10/07/2020 at 18:18:07
Iwobi will not be a millstone. He’s relatively young, has a lot of top level experience and crucially is not on astronomical wages. He’s on 50k apparently which is less than half what the likes of Gomes, Bernard and Sigurdsson earn.

I still think we may (hopefully) see better of him when he’s told to stop hugging the touch line but if we don't we’ll be able to shift him. Probably for £10-15m. We certainly overpaid for him!

He’s been very poor for us (familiar theme!) but his playmaking stats at Arsenal were solid if not spectacular especially off the left and playing centrally.

Gavin Johnson
199 Posted 10/07/2020 at 18:21:57
Robert, I don't think Iwobi will ever be a mainstay in the 1st team. Anthony Gordon is better on the left and already shown that in 3 games. We'll be buying a left footed right winger this summer so the only hope for Iwobi is to become an attacking midfielder (Sigurdsson's old No.10 role) which is unlikely when we usually go with a 4-4-2. That said, he might be okay as a No.8 if we have an athletic tackle machine playing along side him.

I like Iwobi's attitude. He's a grafter and he's useful to have in the squad because he can play across the entire midfield, but a squad player shouldn't cost £34m. Brands can't afford to make any more mistakes like that. I'm now at the point that I prefer us to hold onto our money if we can't get the players we want. Iwobi was clearly plan B when Brands realised that Palace wouldn't sell Zaha.

Paul Burns
200 Posted 10/07/2020 at 19:16:39
Here's a simple fact. If you sign shit players you will have a shit team. All the coaching in the world or jiggling starting 11s won't make the slightest bit of difference.

There's so many people been stealing a living at Everton for years, I'm surprised the organised crime police haven't intervened. Or maybe we need to be better organised to be considered?

Danny Baily
201 Posted 10/07/2020 at 19:46:54
Bobby 193, not moaning, just agreeing with the previous poster that we've been marooned in midtable and haven't challenged consistently.

I don't agree that we should be grateful to simply be in the Premier League though. That's an absolute minimum expectation for a club of Everton's stature.

Watching Howard's Way really gives you hope that a few signings can turn it around and get us challenging again.

Clive Rogers
202 Posted 10/07/2020 at 20:24:46
Most posters are rightly highlighting our midfield problems, but that is not the only problem area. The pairing of our two strikers is less than ideal also. They are not the future and I wouldn’t back them to score many goals. To me they have never looked comfortable together, interaction between the two has been minimal. This has been even more so since restart and particularly the last two games in which there has been virtually zero interaction. Calvert-Lewin has now not scored in his last 6 games and doesn’t look like doing so. He has never looked like a natural finisher. Greenwood, Vardy and Ings have been banging them in since restart. I accept our strikers are feeding off scraps from our midfielders. Even so, DCL just doesn’t look the part to me. When does he ever take the last man on? In the last 5 games he has not threatened the goal at all. I believe Carlo hooking him last night suggests that he has seen enough.
Robert Tressell
203 Posted 10/07/2020 at 20:39:44
DCL has looked decidedly Sam Vokes since the restart but the supply of crosses from the right flank has dried up completely. Iwobi got about 3 balls in against Norwich - but Coleman nothing at all. Coleman has become an auxiliary centre half. The team has stopped playing to DCL's strengths. He's come on leaps and bounds but he's no Lukaku. He can't make goals from nothing. He needs supply
Patrick McFarlane
204 Posted 10/07/2020 at 20:46:43
Clive #202
DCL and Richarlison have scored 25 Premier League goals between them, the rest of the squad has 16, although you might be correct in that the pair may not be the future, I'd dread to think where Everton would be without their goals.

I think DCL, in particular, was flying from mid-winter onwards until the enforced break, because he had his eyes on the prize of an international call-up for the European Championships and he does appear to have lost his mo-jo since the resumption of play. Cynics might say he has his prize already with his recent contract and the five-fold increase in his salary.

The fact that the club offered and he signed that new contract, would suggest that he'll be part of the team for the foreseeable future, obviously, he could still be sold, but so too could any of our players at any time.

Colin Malone
205 Posted 10/07/2020 at 20:58:37
It's all rubbish. Every game has been boring. The cup finals around the globe will be worse. Playing the Champions League Final, in front of no-one... surely the powers that be cannot let that happen?
Christy Ring
206 Posted 10/07/2020 at 21:01:17
Kevin@185 Siggy getting too much stick?? He won't put his foot in, chickens out of tackles, no work rate, on £120k a week, he's absolutely shocking. I hate talking about redshite players, but look at Mane, on less money, look at his work rate, even Salah does the dirty work. It's pride and passion, he has none, Sorry.
Patrick McFarlane
207 Posted 10/07/2020 at 21:11:35
Christy #206
If you hate mentioning the players of our nearest and dearest, why not choose players from other clubs who have a work ethic, like Manchester City's De Bruyne, Silva et al or even many of the Saints yesterday, there are other options available you know.
Stephen Brown
208 Posted 10/07/2020 at 21:17:34
I’ve been following Yannick Bolasie on twitter! ( I know it won’t but) I’d really like him to come good as he seems like a great guy! Is he worse than Iwobi ?? I don’t think he is!
Jeff Armstrong
209 Posted 10/07/2020 at 21:40:44
It’s funny how some players (Bolasie) the less they play, the better they become.
Stephen Brown
210 Posted 10/07/2020 at 21:48:55
That’s true Jeff !! I’ll be calling for Sandro to lead the line next ! Ha
Clive Rogers
211 Posted 10/07/2020 at 21:50:40
Robert/Patrick, 203/04, I just don’t think he is a natural striker and will have spells where he doesn’t score like now. Against Spurs he got the ball in their box on two occasions with one defender in front of him. Both times he turned and played the ball back. I have never seen him take a defender on and beat him. He doesn’t have that in his locker. I am sure Carlo will bring someone in in the summer window.
John Boon
212 Posted 10/07/2020 at 22:03:23
John (173),

I understand your position on not watching games at this particular time. It is almost like being in the Twilight Zone and of late the Everton team seem to be from another Planet. Unfortunately I still HAVE to watch games. I must say that the recent games are as nerve wracking to the point of exasperation.

I have always started to watch games at the beginning but find myself either wandering outside of the house during games. OR worse still going to the fridge to eat something I don't need. It is NEVER relaxing to watch the present "Blues". Over the past five years we have bought enough players to send out an entire eleven who perhaps could be referred to as USELESS UNITED.

However I have been tainted with a "Blue" brush which lasts a lifetime and I just have to watch,grin and bare it. Does anyone have any sensible options for an eighty year old Evertonian?

David Thomas
213 Posted 10/07/2020 at 23:24:46
Iwobi was a last minute panic buy from Brands when we didn’t get Zaha.

Anyone who had seen him play and wasn’t simply looking at meaningless stats could tell you he would be a crap signing and that’s exactly how it’s turned out.

Brands should be the first out the door for considering spending 34p on Iwobi let alone £34 million.

Leave this summers transfers to Carlo and we might have a chance of bringing a couple of half decent players in.

Roman Sidey
214 Posted 10/07/2020 at 23:27:18
When Richarlison scored that goal I remember thinking "thank Christ he was on the right at the time and not Calvert-Lewin." Fast forward a bit and a mirror-image ball comes in from the right to Dom and what's the result? A miss-handle, and not even a goal scoring opportunity.
Christy Ring
215 Posted 11/07/2020 at 00:07:16
Patrick @207 Thanks! I agree
John McFarlane Snr
216 Posted 11/07/2020 at 00:23:52
Hi John [212],

I can understand the situation of those fans who, like yourself can only see Everton via television, but together with my main reason for not watching televised games, is the fact that at the ground I'm part of the occasion.

My world for the best part of two hours is 120 yards long and 75 yards wide, they could be dropping bombs on Broadway Bridge and I would be oblivious to it. The only advice I can offer is, "Grow old slowly."

Paul Birmingham
217 Posted 10/07/2020 at 00:24:50
Clive @202, I agree, it’s chalk and cheese, but their individual styles and both have good styles means we have individual strikers playing at the same time within a team that can rarely create two or three chances a game.

They are good players in their own right but don’t complement as playing partners.

It’s part of the frustration of supporting and watching EFC, more so the last thirty years. But whilst the same at most clubs, Everton is all that counts.

We play in my view, with bad odds before we start most games, as we have no capability in midfield to recycle the ball forward, back, or side either way, bar the odd 1 pass in 30.

I’m guessing but on average the EFC recycle, ultimately more than most goes to Pickford. Most teams can now deploy a floating attack.

From back to front, as we have no mid field. It’s a picnic these days playing EFC, and I purposely didn’t watch the game v Soto, but they could have been Real, Barca or City, the way they passed and moved with purpose and belief.

I’m sorry for Tom Davies, who tries his best, but the game is won and lost in the mid field, as it stands we don’t have a midfield. If we don’t buy, then next season, will be very tough to compete and avoid a relegation battle.

Gomes looks, with due respect he’s never gonna be fit and is now passing back, sideways, and backwards, with the odd punt cross and cross field.

Nothing so far has proved effective and being brutal, the Pickford RS game and his great goal v Wolves, at home in 03/2020?, I’ve not seen the body language of a player who wants to kick arse and dominate the midfield battle on the day.

Being brutally honest of late, our midfield is creating mayhem and almost totally diluting any team set up and game plan.

That’s my view, but as it is, we are pissing in the wind for a good team any time soon.

EFC needs a miracle and there’s hope but the players mindset and mentality must be checked out before we buy.

One flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, but EFC, in terms of style, quality and standard, is light years away from the best teams in Europe.

We are where we are, and it hurts, but like never before the team must show up at Wolves.

I hope and pray Carlo can deliver EFC,and deliver EFC to a great place, in the next few years.

Eddie Dunn
218 Posted 11/07/2020 at 08:12:06
Against Saints our midfield was worried that if it pushed out too quickly they would leave our two immobile centre-halves exposed to the quick-witted Southampton attack.
Therefore the midfield was slow to support attacks leaving DCL with no service and Richarlison with the one cross from Digne.
Obviously Siggy and Gomes are slow at the best of timesand Davies not much faster. They are not the guys to go box-to-box.
Eventually Pickford became our midfield, banging the ball to the Saint's defenders.
Slow, ponderous defenders who were turned inside-out by Ings,( who, despite the commentator's glowing praise, is by no means quick. Since his ACL injury, the lad has to rely on his brains and not his speed) and a slow midfield results in no control.
Both our strikers rarely pass to each other, each prefering to go it alone.
We are so predictable. Our only threat is from Digne/Gordon and block them off and we have no plan B other than Pickford's boot.
Kim Vivian
219 Posted 11/07/2020 at 08:19:49
Roman 214 - I agree. To me it looked like DCL was perfectly lined up to nod the ball over the keeper. I couldn't believe it when floated past him and he tried to control it with the outside of his right thigh.
Tony Everan
220 Posted 11/07/2020 at 08:41:31
Kim, Roman.

DCL and Richie are feeding on scraps, but that beautiful pass from Tom Davies was a big juicy bone.

The pass caught the keeper cold and he was in no mans land. It demanded an instinctive header or volley over his bonce. If the attempt went wide or over well that happens, he should have done better.

DCL is the type of personalty who will fight harder when things are not happening, so I have got every faith in him to resume his pre lockdown form and to be better still in Carlo's improved 20/21 team.

Sam Hoare
221 Posted 11/07/2020 at 08:42:50
Paul@217 “ If we don’t buy, then next season, will be very tough to compete and avoid a relegation battle.”

Don’t you think this is a tad melodramatic given that Carlo still has a very decent points return since arriving, despite our whole central midfield being hit by injury bar Tom Davies?

The last two game have been very poor but our poor squad has meant little or no rotation and with this ludicrous schedule the lads look knackered. Let’s not start the relegation anxieties too early! If we had a fully fit Delph, Gbamin or Gomes I’m sure we’d have seen a little more control of the middle in the last two matches and we look better defensively. The lack of interplay up front is concerning and the lack of chances and dynamism but don’t think we need to start ringing the relegation dong of gloom just yet.

Joe McMahon
222 Posted 11/07/2020 at 08:56:32
Tony, from DCL no need to analyse, we just need him to put more chances away. All teams in the top 6 these days have quality upfront that get you over 20 premier league goals every season. Richie is not and outright striker and will be snapped up if Brands doesn't act. The hype over DCL isn't being matched by performances on the pitch.

I agree with many, we should have moved the millions wasted to land Vardy. 100 premier league goals in 5 years.

Paul Birmingham
223 Posted 11/07/2020 at 08:57:28
Sam, fair point, you raise but you must build and improve a football squad every year.

Carlo Ancellotti has inherited a Sunday pub squad and has achieved some good results but for next season, for the long haul, in my view he will rebuild as this squad is not good enough other than to be floating in the mid table positions.

I’ve every faith in Carlo Ancellotti, and as I’ve said in previous threads, he’s in my view the best addition EFC, has made in years.

A proven player and coach. He will have sussed out this squad by now.

Let’s see what team turns up tomorrow.

Steve Shave
224 Posted 11/07/2020 at 09:08:41
I've hovered over ToffeeWeb this past week or so and tried to resist my urge to post my usual reactionary bollocks on match day. However, after two insipid and pathetic displays I have shifted my view that we need a CM and an RM plus a CB. To us needing DESPERATELY 2 quality CM's, and an RM. Not to mention a CB If Mina or Keane is sold, plus we will need back up in the LB area too if Leighton doesn't sign up (I really hope he does). If what I am saying is true and accurate then this is serious crap we are in, it will cost another £150M for us to get that right (the jury is still out on Brands ability to do that in the PL). So without a serious injection from Usmanov this summer, I am fearful for next season. Not to mention how Carlo will feel about that.
Joe McMahon
225 Posted 11/07/2020 at 09:12:14
I know Steve, very sad news. Proper nonsense defender, and a winner.
Sam Hoare
226 Posted 11/07/2020 at 09:12:16
Paul, I’m not expecting much tomorrow. Or for rest of this season’. We’ve no midfield and the players look goosed.

Clearly the squad needs work, especially in the middle but we won’t be getting the sort of clear out that many call for each summer. 2-3 first team signings, likely at CM, CB and RM. Many keep saying that Carlo must make these signings rather than Brands but Carlo’s history suggests someone who is not at all hands on in the transfer market so let’s hope Brands does better this summer.

Sorting the defense out is a good start and hopefully some more dynamism in the middle will allow us to play a slightly higher line and connect our midfield to our forwards more. I remain cautiously optimistic though much will rest on Carlo’s ability to get better performances out of players that many on here think are not good enough.

Paul Birmingham
227 Posted 11/07/2020 at 09:19:16
Sam, let’s hope so.

Martin Mason
228 Posted 11/07/2020 at 09:20:21
The opinion of an independent ref was that both VAR decisions (the penalty and Richarlison foul) were wrong.
Brian Hennessy
229 Posted 11/07/2020 at 09:42:34
Very sad news this morning to hear of the death of Jack Charlton.

He gave Irish people the most incredible period in our sporting history. The memories he has given me for the rest of my life as a teenager during Euro 88 and Italia 90 are something I will cherish until the day I die.

His playing style wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but each and every player he managed took the field wanting to give him 100% and knew exactly what their job was. 

He was loved by the Irish nation and will always hold a special place in all our hearts. Rest in peace big Jack.

Robert Tressell
230 Posted 11/07/2020 at 09:58:43
Steve Shave,

On the subject of centre-mids, Rabiot scored a magnificent goal for Juve against Milan yesterday. Pace, power and drive from the right-back position until he reached the edge of the D and unleashed a thunderbolt. Sadly they will not now be letting him go.

Tony Everan
231 Posted 11/07/2020 at 10:14:24
Sam 227

Those 3 positions are priority, but what about right back? Seamus's heart and desire is all there still, but he is not the player he once was. Whether that's the injury or his age, I don't know. If Kenny is staying in Germany, then this is a position too that needs strengthening sooner rather than later.

Martin Nicholls
233 Posted 11/07/2020 at 10:19:37
Martin#229 - subtle use of the word "independent". I agree entirely.
Martin Nicholls
234 Posted 11/07/2020 at 10:26:28
Like John Mc, I took the decision not to watch any games played as part of this charade as I firmly believe the season finished in March. Eddie Dunn makes the very valid point that this group of players were, as a generality, performing better prior to the shutdown and references the home game against Man Utd as an example.

I fully recognise the deficiencies in our squad but wonder if the current displays indicate that the players have the same mindset as John and I, ie, that the season finished in March?

Robert Tressell
235 Posted 11/07/2020 at 10:48:47
Tony, unfortunately only the positions occupied by Holgate, Digne and Richarlison are not in need of an upgrade. Everyone else still has much to prove next season. What a mess. Expect that LCB, CM and RW will the priority 2020. RB, GK and CF may be parked till 2021.

However, top class talent in any position will take us forward. Coleman no longer crosses the halfway line which makes life difficult for whoever plays RW. Maybe a quality right back would bring a bit more out of, say, Iwobi?

Robert Tressell
236 Posted 11/07/2020 at 11:04:55
Sage comments Roger. As much as we need to recruit, we need to pile much more pressure on referees next season.
Steve Carse
237 Posted 11/07/2020 at 11:22:05
I keep reading that Coleman has declined and is not good enough for us any more. I don't hear any names being suggested as a replacement though.

We've got a young lad out on loan (Kenny) who, the consensus is, doesn't fit the bill. At the other end of the scale, we brought in an experienced French international right-back. But he plays without positional discipline and with erratic distribution – again, not good enough.

Coleman may more mistakes than when at his peak and he certainly doesn't get forward as much. But he will remain our top option for some time yet -- unless we're prepared to fork out £50M for better.

Robert Tressell
238 Posted 11/07/2020 at 12:05:57
I actually think Coleman has improved defensively in many respects. He no longer attacks though. Possibly time and injuries catching up, possibly to instruction because there is no midfield cover. Possibly both.

Aarons, Emerson and Oina have all been linked. The former is very neat and tidy, good movement, good engine. He's the obvious choice. Better than Kenny.

Emerson plays very much like Sidibé which is both a compliment and a note of caution. Not sure Oina is an upgrade on Kenny. Transfermarkt actually rates Kenny as the better of the two.

Colin Malone
239 Posted 11/07/2020 at 12:33:52
Matheues Pereira looks a very good player, Brazilian on loan at West Brom. Him and Nick Pope would be two vital signing IMHO.
John Pierce
240 Posted 11/07/2020 at 12:43:27
Coleman has morphed into Hibbert. A serviceable right back who given the opportunity turns back and passes back. He’s stays in the squad by virtue of our major problems lies elsewhere.
Robert Tressell
241 Posted 11/07/2020 at 12:50:06
Interesting to watch Watford vs Newcastle. Both limited but St Maximin and Sarr each provide a spark – and lots of midfield bite about them both. Also movement and pressing from both sides. Not a lot of talent on show but not a bad match.

Like watching El Clasico compared to our efforts v Southampton.

Steve Shave
243 Posted 11/07/2020 at 19:42:54
Rob 230, I haven't seen it but I can imagine you watching it, salivating and wondering what could have been! As you know I would LOVE Rabiot but players of that calibre are going to turn their noses up at us right now. I fear Gabriel will go to Napoli who will be aggressively pursuing due to the likelihood Koulibally is on the move.

Allan (who I would also love to sign) is a maybe, we'd have to pay through the nose but would be buying a 29-year-old with superb qualities. I can't see it myself, I suspect we will be shopping in the Sangare (steady Sam, down boy!) and Koopmeiners market. Still hoping for a double raid on Norwich for Buendia and Arons. 🙏

Terry White
244 Posted 11/07/2020 at 20:12:43
Robert (#238), I have watched Aarons more closely in games since he was linked with us in the media in which I have no trust. I have seen nothing in those games to support anyone's belief that he is a top class Premier League player.

For a "full-back", an old-fashioned term, I know, my first priority is that he can defend and Aarons has not shown me that he can do that. Positionally he looks very weak. There are plenty of players who can look ok going forward but defending should be the #1 consideration.

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