» Read the full article at Optus
Reader Comments (29)
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 15/09/2020 at 21:17:12
The article makes a great point about how players of James' quality seem to make time, to make the game flow at the pace they want. If we get this consistently, it will help the overall organisation and gelling of the entire team. The Spurs game gave us clear signs for optimism, subject of course to the natural tendency we've developed as Evertonians to be cautious and brace for potential disappointment.
2 Posted 16/09/2020 at 08:20:37
Like a fellow poster said on another thread, "if someone had said a year ago that Carlo Magnifico Fantastico, would be Manager, and James Rodriguez and Allan would be playing for us" you would have expected a restraint jacket and accompaniment by two burly men in white coats.
I dare say we could have got Doucoure, had any other Manager been at the helm, as he has been linked with us as long as I care to remember, but never the other two. Let's hope the superstars don't end there, but must hasten to add that any more incomings will have to be paved with deadwood outgoings, easier said than done.
Great times to be a Blue!
3 Posted 16/09/2020 at 10:50:49
Carlo was contemplating retirement. He had been sacked again and they were not exactly queuing around the block to make him an offer.
Moshiri offered him a 60m contract to come and manage in one of the worlds top leagues. He should be thanking Everton. Not the other way around
James had lost his way. Munich didnt want him. He'd long since been out of favor in Madrid. He had months, not years left on his contract and the queue to pay him top dollar was about as long as the one to sign Carlo.
Not only did We offer him a 12.5m contract. He got a 5m bonus too and he was taken away from his nightmare. He too should be thanking Everton. not the other way around
Lets make no mistake here; If Carlos really did have this mythical pulling power, James would probably not be here. The kitty would already have been blown on the lighthouse and yard dog who snubbed Carlo to sign for Arsenal and Spurs.
Allan was also out of favor although it would appear his problems in Italy were more of a political nature.
Doucoure had just been relegated.
Can we please, please, please stop talking about how lucky "little old us" are to have such people. We have thrown them all a life line. A chance to resurrect their careers.
We havent just given them a chance to shine on the big stage again we have kept them in the big league salary wise too. They must be pinching themselves.
The guy who outbid me for the Guitar on Ebay this over the weekend didnt outbid me because he was lucky...and heres something else; He will be expecting an awful lot of pleasure from that guitar in return for his money...How about we start thinking the same ?
I like to think fate has taken a hand here. The rejection from that yard dog who played for Spurs on Saturday may prove to be one of those turning points (Robins for Ferguson..Kevin Brock for Howard)
We've all seen movies where highly talented rejects, misfits and mavericks have been thrown together and produced fireworks and regardless of how it happened, we now have a hugely talented bunch here.
Moshiri has once again done his part. We have gone past the stage of thinking "little old us" are lucky to have these people. We have reached the stage where we are entitled to demand and expect something substantial in return
4 Posted 16/09/2020 at 11:37:17
The article is good in that it focuses on the quality of James in specific ways. For me, if he manages to show such quality consistently, I might consider him the modern-day equivalent of Colin Harvey, a similarly gifted football artist who helped make us elite.
5 Posted 16/09/2020 at 12:36:37
What is clear is that all the incomers (including CA) have proven talent - something we have lacked for a considerable time.
It may be that via the mysteries of Alchemy, these apparently tired and disparate elements, are going to combine to make one last gold ingot from base metal and, if Everton should be the benefactors, I for one will be delighted.
My view is that Carlo Ancelotti is determined to prove that he is not "yesterday's man" and he is in the process of starting to build a successful dynasty at Everton.
We all know the formula - "success breeds success" and if we are not in the CL we have no hope of attracting the young star players we crave.
I believe Carlo has looked at this and said - "right, we'll get in a few real stars that are coming to the end of their careers. Get two or three seasons out of them which will put us into the top 6 / CL group in the EPL then, when we are established there, we can attract the younger up and coming stars - which is what we, as supporters want.
This is the first step on that journey and I feel more confident about the outcome of this season than I have since Joe Royle left as manager.
6 Posted 16/09/2020 at 13:34:43
Regarding your points Darren, I get the impression Carlo is thankful to be at Everton. However, I do think it was his choice and I think many are thankful he made that choice as they consider him a great manager. Nothing wrong with that opinion. I do disagree with your inference that Carlo had been left on the rubbish dump and did not / wouldnt have had other opportunities to go to more favoured clubs and earn just as much money.
7 Posted 16/09/2020 at 13:55:04
He transformed our midfield and he was the catalyst for change that we saw on Saturday. A long way to go but cautious optimism.
8 Posted 16/09/2020 at 14:08:40
9 Posted 16/09/2020 at 14:08:52
Can we call it a win-win, perfect storm and relationship, and enjoy the ride?
10 Posted 16/09/2020 at 14:48:26
In this respect, the output of a player of great quality depends on the team he's in, how it gells as a unit, the whole being greater than the sum of the parts, etc. Each of Ball, Harvey and Kendall was fortunate to play alongside the other two. The chemistry was perfect, and it was incredibly stylish.
It's early days with Ancelotti and the new signings, but if we can get and sustain good chemistry given the new signings, and enhance it further with one or two more signings, then we could be on our way to consistent winning (and stylish) ways sooner than we could have thought possible. Only two years ago we had a very good midfield with the 'three Gs', but of course it didn't last, because we didn't have enough quality in depth. Hopefully, that's now changing.
11 Posted 16/09/2020 at 14:53:08
12 Posted 16/09/2020 at 15:01:48
13 Posted 16/09/2020 at 15:08:56
I think Darren in his post was implying that a team of oddballs had been thrown together and somehow we had landed on our feet. I think that does Carlo a disservice.
14 Posted 16/09/2020 at 15:19:48
Time will tell if the Moshiri's 'balls out go for broke and sod FFP' will work or not.
15 Posted 16/09/2020 at 15:26:57
The other contention is that is 'fate that has taken a hand here'. That by a random sequence of events -' where highly talented rejects, misfits and mavericks have been thrown together and produced firework.' It is an inexplicable beyond the fact that is all an unpredictable event.
To argue otherwise would require an acknowledgment that the transfer strategy, pre-season training and team selection that led to the Spurs win earns Ancelotti credit. The right thing to do would simply to give credit where it is due, but apparently that is not possible.
16 Posted 16/09/2020 at 15:27:37
17 Posted 16/09/2020 at 15:27:55
18 Posted 16/09/2020 at 15:29:23
19 Posted 16/09/2020 at 15:33:09
20 Posted 16/09/2020 at 15:54:31
Colin Harvey ? now you are talking. My favorite player of all time. If James can give us half as many dazzling performances as CH we will all be in for a treat.
You make a good point. Gratitude should be a two way thing and the feeling of being lucky to have each other should also be mutual...but arent some fans getting a little ahead of themselves ?
Carlo has every reason to be grateful. The club have done their bit. They have given Carlo his 60m contract. At this moment in time, he as given us less than nothing in return.
We had all this premature coronation bollocks with the last three managers. Especially world cup winning, European champion, tell-it-like-it-is Koeman.. This place was awash with triumphant trumpet blasts as he and his sdie kick squndered 250m. As a club we still havent recovered.
Carlo will get a pat on the back from me whenever his team gets a good draw. or puts in a good performance. He will get a round of applause from me when they win (deserved or othewise). But until he is parading a trophy around Goodison park he will get zero gratitude.
We must have the only manager in world football, who will have all his errors excused. The only one who his cheered from the rafters because of his previous record. Its not just happening with this one. it happened with the one before that and the one before that.
No wonder we are a laughing stock. I've actually given up hope of seeing an Everton manager actually have to earn the gratitude and love of the faithful. Too many want to just lavish unconditional love on them before they have given anything in return for the vast fortunes they have been paid.
21 Posted 16/09/2020 at 16:06:59
Everybody's lucky in this situation. The cards fell just right for Carlo, the players, the club, and most of all us fans. Not much point in debating who's luckier or why.
Some people will never stop looking for a reason to express sour sentiments, which is kinda sad in my book. Like Jamie says, just enjoy the ride.
22 Posted 16/09/2020 at 16:19:33
We all attend games where players make mistakes, some fans in close proximity to me scream, "£60, 000 a week and he can't trap a ball" my reaction is one of disappointment because the player failed to tap the ball, his salary doesn't play any part in my disappointment/dismay. I totally agree with Jamie  "We should view it as a win-win situation" time and results will decide the outcome.
23 Posted 16/09/2020 at 16:31:48
You don't get that by being "lucky" to be at Everton you get that because you know what you are doing and have the wherewithall to do it well wherever you manage.
Despite the detractors I for one feel we are very lucky to have landed one of the best managers in the world. World class players know it and acknowledge it so why should anyone try to belittle it.
24 Posted 16/09/2020 at 16:34:31
Don't you dare be, or feel, positive Derek some just won't have it mate.
25 Posted 16/09/2020 at 16:34:52
Hope you are in good health.
26 Posted 16/09/2020 at 17:07:55
Sometimes dissecting this and that, over analysis of failings, wages or fees needs to be put on the back burner. Everything is too transient and a moment in time has to be enjoyed and savoured. The display on Sunday was one of those moments.
27 Posted 16/09/2020 at 17:30:51
Where I agree with Steve Brown is that Carlo does deserve credit for that performance. It was excellent. For me it was the first time I have watched an Ancelotti Everton team and thought he could be a success here and I have hope for the first time in his tenure. Some have highlighted the impact of the players but for me we also looked a well coached team. I would argue if you put those three players into any of those post Lockdown games we may have been more competitive but we wouldn't have had that cohesion and standard.
Either a lot of work has gone on behind the scenes from Carlo's staff or it all just came together on the day or Spurs were just so bad that they made us look good. Either way we will know more over the next few months as to how good we really are.
From my perspective this was the performance I had been crying out for since he came and Carlo and the boys delivered. The scoreline was immaterial.
What I will say on the flip side is Darren is right about going overboard. There were things I didn't like about that game also.
Firstly despite our dominance they could have been two up as they cut us apart so easily.
Secondly I didn't like any of Carlo's subs and I felt they had a negative impact on us. Gomes was bossing the game when he was taken off and Siggy didn't offer any greater solidity while dramatically reducing our chances of killing the game off. Davies brought on wide right? and as much as I like Kean he is not the player you want on to hold possession which we needed to do. On another day a more potent Spurs could have fluked a draw by us inviting them onto us a la Newcastle.
Spurs also approached the game like we did this summer and I wonder will we look as good when opponents are pressing high and being aggressive and did we look so good as they allowed us to?
As for celebrating the signings and especially James it is still too early to do so. I don't think anyone was surprised by his quality as much as he is such a joy to watch in a blue shirt you can't help but marvel, the question for him is to stay fit. He was the signing that was less of a gamble due to his upside but we need to get him out on the pitch most weeks. That will most likely define whether he is to be a success. What was really impressive to me was his physique and condition on the day, he looked a specimen for one who has been so short of action.
28 Posted 16/09/2020 at 18:12:13
The virtue of having technically gifted players is the ball moves more quickly as they make less basic errors and can often turn poor passes into good ones.
The one area that fails is right back and centre half. The three players there are not technically gifted, often the bobble balls, have poor ball speed and make wayward passes. If we are to become a more attacking entity those positions are the ones we need change.
29 Posted 16/09/2020 at 18:13:37
Its "positive" to say we should consider ourselves fortunate and be really grateful to a manager who has had his part of the deal carved in stone. But is negative to point out that he is the one who has been rewarded and so far he hasn`t actually given anything back yet ?
I have said only good, complimentary things about our new signings since they got here, but once again that is not enough for some people. They will home in on bits they don't like - The bits where I am not happy clapping their man.
Some on here make me laugh. To be "positive" you have to agree with everything they say or you are looking to express only sour sentiments ?
Sorry, but thats not happening. I come from a background where people save the Bravo's for the end of a good performance. They don't mindlessly clap what they hope is going to happen as the curtain rises.
I'd rather question and scrutinise everything and be called Negative than make the palms of my hands raw trying to demonstrate to everyone how positive I am.
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site.