Carlo Ancelotti was handed a fitness boost after James took part in training today and is expected to make the trip to St Mary's on Sunday.
Everton travel to the south coast on Sunday to take on Southampton where they will be looking to build on their unbeaten start to the 2020-21 season.
The Blues lost their 100% record amid the controversial events of last weekend's Merseyside derby where Dominic Calvert-Lewin's 10th goal of the season earned a 2-2 draw and they will hopefully be fuelled by the confidence that their new-found resolve has brought them so far.
Everton's task will be made more difficult by the loss of Richarlison, a hugely member of Carlo Ancelotti's attack, and fitness concerns over James Rodriguez, another vital component of an attack that has registered 14 goals already, second only to Tottenham's 15.
Richarlison begins a three-match ban following his dismissal against Liverpool for a rash challenge on Thiago Alcântara but Ancelotti has been handed a boost after James took part in training today and is expected to make the trip to St Mary's.
The Italian had indicated only yesterday that the Colombian was a major doubt for the clash with Southampton because of bruising from a knock sustained in the Merseyside derby from a "mis-timed tackle" from Virgil van Dijk but the news today has been more positive.
"James is not definitely out,” Ancelotti said. “He had a big hematoma and was not able to train until today. He is much better now and we have confidence that maybe he can play.
“He had a partial training session. I hope he is going to train tomorrow and we will see if he is in condition to play on Sunday.”
Seamus Coleman is ruled out, however, as he deals with the hamstring problem that has forced him out of each of the last two Premier League games and with Jonjoe Kenny still not fully recovered from an ankle injury, it means that Ben Godfrey is in line to make his full debut at right back after coming on as a substitute in the derby.
Richarlison's absence is a big loss and it will force the manager into his first alteration to his forward line in the Premier League since the start of the season. Alex Iwobi has been Ancelotti's first option off the bench in recent games and while he doesn't provide the same outlet of pace and power as the Brazilian, he has displayed some impressive skill and ability to pick a pass at times when he has played.
Anthony Gordon offers a different dimension but the fact that the teenager hasn't been called upon in Premier League games so far suggests that he is an unlikely starter. The same goes for Bernard, a different kind of player again, and Ancelotti's reluctance to play him away from home last season suggests that he, too, will more likely start on the substitutes' bench rather than be named in the starting XI.
Should James not be able to start, however, Ancelotti will definitely be presented with more changes than he would have liked and, in that event, a player of Bernard's technical ability might make sense as long as there is robust midfield support from Abdoulaye Doucouré and Allan.
The presence of those latter two in the centre of midfield does give the manager choices in how he deals with the absence of Richarlison, with Gylfi Sigurdsson one more option, perhaps in a number 10 role behind Dominic Calvert-Lewin or sitting in that midfield three with Iwobi wide on the left.
André Gomes's disappointing outing against Liverpool, a game in which he was substituted during the second half, might see him drop back to the bench to give Sigurdsson an opportunity to impress.
Southampton pose a typically unpredictable task for the Toffees. They come into the weekend sitting in 12th with two wins, two defeats and a draw, having comfortably beaten West Bromwich Albion at home and eked out a 1-0 victory at Burnley. They played their part in a thrilling 3-3 draw at Chelsea last time out, with the threat posed by Danny Ings very much in evidence, but they showed their defensive frailties when they were drubbed 5-2 at St Mary's by Spurs last month.
With an available Richarlison, Everton might have looked to exploit Ralph Hasenuttl's high line but without his ability to break away on the transition, they may need to take a more considered approach. If James plays, the odds are in their favour that Dominic Calvert-Lewin will get the service he needs to add to his goals tally for the season but the key at the other end will be keeping Ings quiet given that he has scored in four of his last five appearances against the Blues.
The game will be featured live on Sky Sports Main Event and Sky Sports Premier League.
Kick-off: 2pm, Sunday, 25 October, 2020
Referee: Kevin Friend
VAR: Simon Hooper
Last Time: Southampton 1 - 2 Everton
Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Godfrey, Keane, Mina, Digne, Allan, Doucouré, Sigurdsson, Iwobi, Rodriguez, Calvert-Lewin
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1 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:19:40
Good News - no pun intended - COYBs. 11+ Saints to beat on Sunday. Tridents at the ready !!
2 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:23:35
3 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:30:14
I'm still slightly bemused why we didn't try for some kind of attacking signing before the window closed, the Josh King situation for example I'm surprised we weren't all over that one.
Anyway I suppose as they say it's a door opening now for the likes of Iwobi, Bernard, Gordon ect:
I'm thinking Bernard is probably on his final throes at Everton as Carlo doesn't seem keen on him, so maybe he'll see it as a chance to put himself in the shop window.
4 Posted 23/10/2020 at 16:48:21
5 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:08:57
6 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:15:41
Godfrey, Keane, Mina, Digne
7 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:16:10
It must be secretly so galling for half the managers in the PL that they let him slip through their fingers. He could have been doing for them what he is doing for us. Well their loss is our gain and we can never thank Carlo enough for making the club motto mean something again.
We used to wonder how many of our players would get into a top six side. Well I figure Keane, Digne, Allan, Richarlison. James and DCL would walk into any of the supposed "big six" sides on current form.
8 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:26:46
It will be interesting to see who gets Richarlisons spot. I would go for Bernard in a fluid no10 type role , who can create and also interplay with Digne to fire some top class crosses in for Dom.
Godfrey Keane Mina Digne
Doucoure Allan Gomes
James DCL Bernard
9 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:31:13
10 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:35:00
Doctor's said his condition was comfortable, but he was in a Korma. :-)
11 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:37:40
12 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:47:45
Good news about James though.
13 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:52:44
I agree I think we will sell Bernard most likely in January (I think he's better than wasting himself in the Middle East on some money spinner).
I was critical of him last season but that's because he had completely dropped off his form he had when he first signed for us, the way he linked up with Digne, ok it was never the "Bainaar" but it was pretty effective.
There are others I'd see the back of before Bernard but at the end of the day it's up to the manager.
14 Posted 23/10/2020 at 17:58:54
Now the drummer put us down to win 0-3! Mark is really letting himself down here, no logic in his assessment, mere "feeling" ah, of course Mark, that's why the Beeb pay you ,to draw on your immense experience in the Game.
15 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:01:54
16 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:07:08
17 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:14:35
18 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:20:55
Like you Jim, I hoped to see a partnership with Digne and Bernard but I dont think it ever got the opportunity to blossom. Nkounkou looks, to me, like he can play further forward and Id like to see him given a chance wide left. He can certainly cross a ball.
19 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:21:06
20 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:21:41
Good news re James but don't risk him, I disagree with Bernard as he seems to play much better at home than away, I'd probably play Gordon on the left wing and Iwobi on the right if James isn't fit enough for 60 minutes.
21 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:23:55
all of them ARE in a top six side!
22 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:29:04
Highlighting that he who casts the first stone is not without sin, might feel like point scoring to a want it both ways Liverpudlian? but to everyone else in football, its a message that Evertons manager is not prepared to let his players take all the stick, even though some people just wont stop screaming. Let it be!
23 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:31:02
James will start on Sunday and hopefully score the winner, just to rub up the RS even more.
24 Posted 23/10/2020 at 18:50:19
25 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:19:29
A very tough match at any time. Time to show resolve, togetherness and true grit.
Id start Siggy instead of Gomes and Id like Gordon to start, but I reckon it will be a Iwobi, instead of Charlie.
The game is winnable and good chance to kick on, and lets focus on Everton, and fekk the RS biased,media circus.
26 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:34:58
Sigurdsson gives us more of a goal threat seeing the onus is on DCL and maybe James for goals.
Richarilson loses about 30% of our goal threat, massive loss.
27 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:41:27
After last week Godfrey has to start
Sigi in for Gomes
If James can play then he has to
Gordon for Richie, a lot more workrate, pace and more direct than Iwobi
28 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:45:30
29 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:45:36
1) Matthew Pennington is prominent!
2) Jarrard Branthwaite is seen working alone, doing sprint and ball work.
30 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:46:16
8pm soon (grins)
31 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:53:48
Just hope James is fit enough to start.
32 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:54:09
33 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:55:04
Permit me to speak a little today because my country Nigeria is a Little bit amidst #EndPoliceBrutality.
.I live close to trouble to most troubled spot,Lagos.
I will watch the match definitely.
34 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:55:27
35 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:57:46
Just hope James is fit enough to start.
36 Posted 23/10/2020 at 19:58:25
Godfrey looks a shoe in, outside the maelstrom of a derby it will be good to cast a better look at him.
Personally Id pick Gordon on the left, hes the nearest we have to Richarlison, hes direct and Iwobi for Gomes.
I feel Ancelotti will pick Gomes, Iwobi on the left.
37 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:12:28
38 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:31:36
Check out Thierry Small, another left footer who is a baller, on the BBC Wonderkids challenge.
39 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:40:00
40 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:44:10
41 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:44:24
Its situations similar to this current one where it could really hurt
I didnt rate Moise Kean but its as if the management has said literally no one is better than Kean. Maybe thats true but we were short already
Hope it doesnt cost us
42 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:45:57
43 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:53:47
44 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:56:57
Stay safe. We are proud of our Nigerian connections with Mr Yobo, Amokachi and great fans like yourself
45 Posted 23/10/2020 at 20:57:40
46 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:06:27
Surely that thug should not have been on the pitch after fouling and injuring James Rodrigues. His intent in the first couple of minutes was clear for all to see. And he has previous.
Get well soon James.
(Have you received an apology yet?)
47 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:16:19
Hegoals is one, not sure if VIP box is still around
48 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:21:47
49 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:24:54
50 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:26:41
My son uses
51 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:35:08
52 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:37:38
53 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:39:31
54 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:42:26
55 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:43:44
56 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:51:31
57 Posted 23/10/2020 at 21:57:42
58 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:02:07
59 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:09:56
Stay safe buddy.
Hope you have cause for Celebration on Sunday but nevertheless we will still be top unless the other shower win by 7 clear goals but on current form they are more likely to lose by 7.
Still currently the only unbeaten team in the Prem.
COYB keep it going.
60 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:11:36
61 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:12:25
Normally in the past, if we were depleted we would probably Underperform in this type of fixture. Southampton are finding belief in themselves so our test of resilience will be truly tested.
62 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:15:05
Who would have thought that after 5 games and Villa second.
Whilst I am sure no one will get carried away especially with Soton on Sunday we all have to be quite chuffed.
Soton played some good stuff last week and the midfield need to be up for this one after being a little''soft '' against the RS.
DCL may have a lot on his plate this week and although he is always a danger so too is Ings. C.O.Y.B.
63 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:15:39
64 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:25:45
Hopefully on Sunday, EFC, will beat Soton, and tonights result at Villa, is a big tonic and incentive to do so.
65 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:25:54
66 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:30:29
Ha ha, looks like his campaign is gathering pace in the right direction then
Olalekan, look after yourself and stay safe. Hopefully Sundays result will help
67 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:39:20
68 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:41:10
69 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:44:53
I watched Carlos presser, he is looking as fit as a fiddle and looks like he is enjoying very much being our manager - and he has confidence in his squad.
I hope he has got his lucky navy blue polo top safely guarded between games.
Up the Blues!!!!
70 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:50:17
71 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:50:44
"LFC - Want VD"
It has a nice ring to it.
72 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:56:11
73 Posted 23/10/2020 at 22:57:09
“LFC want VD back”
74 Posted 23/10/2020 at 23:08:17
If Everton do well they will go into overload and be even more ridiculous in their claims.
Pickford is seen as a soft target , with a constant media build-up of negstivity.
We cannot get drawn into this as Everton social media is being screened for negative reportable comments.
This all appears to be one of the joys of being top of the League and unbeaten. Everton are seen as a threat to the previous cosy narrative, being a big Club that could really upset the status quo.
75 Posted 23/10/2020 at 23:08:20
LFC - Needs VD!
The last word - I think - LOL.
76 Posted 23/10/2020 at 23:13:26
Instead, I now intend to really scare them shitless by posting copies of the league table through their letterboxes.
COYB Keep up the good work.
77 Posted 23/10/2020 at 23:18:01
78 Posted 23/10/2020 at 23:31:53
79 Posted 23/10/2020 at 23:34:13
80 Posted 23/10/2020 at 23:45:32
81 Posted 23/10/2020 at 00:27:02
Ololekan #33, welcome to TW and best wishes to you and yours. I have distant cousins in suburban Lagos, and it is indeed a stressful time there. Stay safe.
82 Posted 24/10/2020 at 01:18:22
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83 Posted 24/10/2020 at 01:59:29
If Bernard can hit his early form and his goal Vs W. Ham form I'd have him over Iwobi anyday...and as somebody said - there's more than a few to show the door before you get to Bernard.
0-2 to the blues.
Soak up the K.O. pressure, get 1 after 20 - 25mins, soak up the 2nd half pressure, 1 on the break while they're over committing chasing the game...classic away game jobby - and I won't cry if a 3rd goes in either
0-0 it is then.
84 Posted 24/10/2020 at 02:07:37
The team I believe will start on Sunday is
Satan In Goal, Godfrey, Mina. Keane,Digne,
Doucoure, Allan, Siggy, James, Iwobi, DCL
Big Test after this weeks hysteria but with Carlo, Satan and God(frey) how can we go wrong. COYBs.
85 Posted 24/10/2020 at 02:10:33
86 Posted 24/10/2020 at 04:13:38
Then on the pitch he's actually shown us a thing or two too.
So I fully expect he gets the nod, and he's earned it. Calls for Nkonkou are a bit fanciful. Why would you pick a new player out of position when an alternative is clearly the option?
I've not been a fan in the past but Alex has shown plenty over his time in the game, enough this season, and at 24 he's still worth investing some time and effort in.
I really hope he has a cracking game.
87 Posted 24/10/2020 at 04:53:46
Bernard too having a hard time.
88 Posted 24/10/2020 at 05:01:17
It's almost unbelievable, I have looked at it several times and I see no evidence of forethought or malice whatsoever. The same cannot be said of the so called victim.
Hope you pull off a blinder Jordan, stop them scoring at all costs, well not quite. Hope you don't get MotM because that will mean you have had a lot to do.
89 Posted 24/10/2020 at 06:11:15
Derek, like yourself, my view is that theres an unwritten etiquette, respect, to reserve opinion, on such matters, and let the football powers that be, manage the situation.
If the case then the Soton, manager will be making plenty of enemies for this game.
Common Everton, stick it up Soton, and whack them tomorrow.
90 Posted 24/10/2020 at 06:37:07
Second one is usually Vietnamese but the feed is reasonably stable and who listens to the commentators anyway?
I always have to reload the page from time to time but it is what it is.
91 Posted 24/10/2020 at 06:59:42
I was thinking about the challenge and if VVD didnt pick up the injury from that there would be no narrative at all as there was no intent or malice. The football world would have taken no notice and on the day it would have been reported as a clumsy challenge and he was lucky not to concede a penalty because of the offside. That would have been the end of it.
This weekend there will be a hundred clumsy challenges ,unfortunately one or two will result in injury . Football is a contact sport and these things will happen to players from every team and also cause by players from every team.
It is an absolute disgrace the free for all witch hunt that Jordan is receiving.
92 Posted 24/10/2020 at 07:15:06
Siggy and or Bernard could be used but Iwobi, I feel will never be good enough where ever you play him.
93 Posted 24/10/2020 at 07:54:42
All the best & stay safe...
A win for Blues will make everyone 'feeling great'
94 Posted 24/10/2020 at 08:08:53
Godfrey has not played much at RB, he is competitive and very athletic which is a good start but there will likely be positioning issues. And Iwobi will have to step it up a lot to mimic Richarlison levels.
Southampton are a very energetic, well drilled side and I fear Ings will react quicker to any loose balls than Mina or Keane, though the latter has really stepped up. I think we will be very glad if Doucore and Allans energy and I hope Gomes can raise his game to match if he plays.
If James is out then I hope Gordon gets a start with him and Iwobi maybe swapping wings on occasion.
95 Posted 24/10/2020 at 08:16:46
96 Posted 24/10/2020 at 08:31:02
They have some terriers in midfield like Ward-Prowse who will be targeting Gomes in possession waiting for him to spill it up. Andre will have to be on his game for this one and seriously step it up a notch if he doesn't want to be perceived as a weakest link. He needs to think a fraction faster and move the ball a bit faster.
I think Southampton will be pushing it to the limit with late tackles and dark arts. They will think they can get away with it and that we have set the bar low. They will be thinking that we won't respond in kind because of the bad press. Just how much the refs let them get away with will be a factor this match.
We have to be very professional in our attitude to overcome this and refuse to get wound up.
It wouldn't surprise me either if they play to the gallery, rolling around in false agony, after any tough tackle, say from Allan, trying to get him sent off. “They're at it again, ref” ruse.
This is a game that will be fractious but, if we hang in there and soak up a bit of pressure, we will get our chances and win it narrowly. These days from corners and free-kicks I think we have been transformed. We have Digne or Sigurdsson to fire in really dangerous crosses and Calvert-Lewin, Keane and Mina who are a nightmare for defenders and fantastic in the air. This could be the difference tomorrow.
97 Posted 24/10/2020 at 08:36:12
The memory of events is the first to go, especially of decisions that went their way when clearly they shouldn't have, secondly the irrational hatred of anyone, including their own, who dares give a rational or sensible perspective of decisions that don't. It's accompanied by a digestive disorder that creates so much bile that requires expelling against anything or anyone who does not agree with them. As this is the general population its all rather difficult for them, it appears to be further exacerbated by delusional pundits (usually of the same condition)
I am afraid this condition is clearly a mental disorder, akin to being dropped on one's head at birth, no known cure other than humiliation is known. In this case, I strongly advise a double helping followed by two weeks of crying (or whinging) inconsolably and the deduction of 12 points for bringing the game into disrepute.
98 Posted 24/10/2020 at 08:38:35
99 Posted 24/10/2020 at 08:41:13
100 Posted 24/10/2020 at 08:41:50
As for today, no matter what happens come this Sunday evening we will still be top of the league and they won't. But if we can continue to do the business I will have a smile you can compare with the Queensway tunnel...
101 Posted 24/10/2020 at 08:43:49
Let's hope for another win on Sunday.
102 Posted 24/10/2020 at 08:49:15
103 Posted 24/10/2020 at 09:15:25
"I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment I could be you
Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is to see you"
Cosmic Blue grooves my friends - - George
104 Posted 24/10/2020 at 09:23:56
Thanks for the clarification, Derek. Easy mistake for a lay person to make.
I hope he's not one of the 63% the of RS players who's asthmatic as I wouldn't want him to have breathing issues, too.
What rotten luck it is to have five x the national average of asthmatics and what a burden for the kit man to ensure the inhalers are in place before they run out!
105 Posted 24/10/2020 at 09:32:54
Bernard really improved and seemed to be the one player that had bought into Ancelotti coaching at the start. I personally thought he was outstanding and a key player.
After the lockdown, he had a serious loss of form which, at the time, was put down to personal issues. Even reports of him considering a move away.
When he has played this season, he has been ineffective. Not good enough on his wages. There is something not quite right with Bernard.
106 Posted 24/10/2020 at 09:33:40
I would bench him in favour of Sigurdsson but I would put Tom in ahead of him too as we need to be combative in this one.
André has cut a frustrating figure of late and his frustration with himself leads to him getting booked. He was hooked in the last game because of it.
107 Posted 24/10/2020 at 09:38:09
Worried about this game. Soton gave us a very tough game at Goodison last season and should have beaten us. Ings in particular always looks like he will score against us.
108 Posted 24/10/2020 at 09:46:41
Having said that, I 'm sure and I trust Carlo to know and see more than we do, every day in training and for up and coming fixtures. Like someone else mentioned their main threat is posed by Ings who seems to be at his peak at the moment, so I hope our defenders are alert enough to cope with him.
109 Posted 24/10/2020 at 09:56:42
Gomes is okay when the pace of the game is slow and he has plenty of unpressurised time. This is how he has always been. Most of the Premier League now has copped on to this, as they would. Gomes has to put a bigger effort into training to get up to pace of the Premier League.
He will be okay in games when Everton are controlling midfield but, against an effective high-pressing team, he will be a liability. We will get a few sweet long passes in the game though. Keep him out of Everton's penalty area, he just gets in the way.
I would not worry about Ings, he will be man-marked and get plenty of attention.
110 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:14:26
111 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:16:05
112 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:23:23
Come and stand in our shoes you moaning bastards, going on with your premeditated bollocks, because it's one of your main players that's been unfortunately injured.
Stand up to the bully and they can't handle it, the red media won't let it go, you could almost feel the hatred, and a voice ready to burst into tears, behind Joyce, but fuck Joyce, “let's rejoice” because we have a manager, who has been around the block and understands how much it means to us long suffering blues.
Good luck tomorrow, Everton, and stay physical, it's possibly the most important thing, and they don't like it!
113 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:36:47
It must have been particularly galling for them when at half-time the question was asked 'How's Virgil?' 'Gone to hospital'.
I'm starting to think as well that Everton clocked that at half-time, and that maybe that horror tackle on their key player was no accident.
114 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:46:18
Ward-Prouse cheated to get a penalty at Goodison but this is acceptable in modern day football? So no wonder the refs are all over the place because cheating being accepted and even encouraged, is a much bigger issue than anything that has gone on in the last week for sure.
115 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:47:08
Do you not think that leaves the door open for that shower to claim "even Evertonians think it was deliberate"?
116 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:55:26
117 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:56:40
Dont care about anyome except themselves and their supporters
Big and hard when they can bully
Think the rules only apply to others
Cry like babies when they get a taste of their own medicine
Try and change the rules when they lose
Let's go and win tomorrow. Stuff em.
118 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:58:11
I'm not convinced, I'm just reflecting on the week's events and Liverpool's hysteria, and what could have prompted it. We all know James was targeted. And that made me think, did we have similar plans for Thiago, not to put him out for the season, but to leave something on him to hamper him in that game?
119 Posted 24/10/2020 at 10:59:00
Waiting to see more outcry of Pickford's challenge on Soccer Saturday, listening to the gobshite Merson, and there showing Adrian's interview, he'd be better off concentrating on his own poor showings.
120 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:01:41
I would say the exact opposite, that's how magicians in the main pull off tricks, the illusion, the distraction etc. The human eye can be easily fooled if it is thinking in one dimension, and then the opposite happens.
Many a time have I watched replays thinking the 'dirty bastard' only for the slow motion to actually reveal there was no contact at all, and the 'dirty bastard' was innocent after all!
Result if not checked, an undeserved penalty, which could mean the difference between winning, losing or drawing. I know it's a pain in the proverbial having to wait, and not knowing whether to cheer cry or whatever, but isn't it best to 'hopefully get it right' ?
121 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:21:07
If Everton had wanted to target Thiago, I doubt they would have waited till the 90th minute before roughing him up.
It's contact sport and it was the derby, let's just leave it at that.
122 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:25:04
I certainly believe our players would have been told to win their personal battles and to be 100% committed but I just can't see anybody on the staff telling any player to go and "leave something on" somebody.
Players may well decide for themselves that they're gonna let so and so know they're not in for an easy time.
I think VVD certainly set out to slow Rodriguez down but his challenge was, although violent in my opinion, subtle, in that he thought he'd get away with it. If you see it again in slow motion though he certainly didn't go into that to merely win the ball.
With Pickford's challenge, "subtle" just doesn't come into it. If he's set out to take out Van Dijk there, then he's madder than a box of frogs. (I know, I know, lol!)
I firmly believe he's just raced out to make sure we don't concede a second goal really early in the match. He actually gets to the ball first and touches it away. Had Van Dijk's leg not been planted, if his foot had been even an inch off the ground he wouldn't have been hurt.
That's the margins between nothing happening and being out for a season.
123 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:30:48
124 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:33:36
Mike, I wish we could leave it at that. TalkSport have been on about it this morning, a week after the incident. Sky showed the tackle or assault depending on who you are, eight times in one report last night. I dont remember any tackle or incident getting so much attention. Ludicrous.
125 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:34:26
I totally agree we are becoming as obsessed with this as the other lot, lets let it go and move on. We know that the media and managers will keep this going were it suits them, hopefully there will be a new talking point after the weekend.
126 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:35:56
Case in point, mate, was Grealish last night.
Now the lad gets fouled right left and centre and must get thoroughly pissed off with it, but in one challenge last night (there may have been others) as the player come in to tackle him he trails the nearest leg, to the player, out in a totally unnatural movement so that him being knocked to the ground is inevitable.
It's what's become known as "buying a foul" but it should still be referred to (IMO) for what it is, cheating.
Cheating, unfortunately, is a huge part of the game of football. It's a win at all costs mentality.
127 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:37:22
Michaels that's a touch bombastic don't you think?
128 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:38:34
“And in other news, Russia has launched a nuclear attack on China, but back to our lead item, the attempted murder of Premier footballer St Virgil”.
129 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:39:56
China? Shit I'm waiting on a parcel from there!
130 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:42:37
Regardless of last game gone and we move on to another week I think consciously or not the officials will be looking at us against Soton and if they can give anything against us they will.
It would be good if there is no call on VAR tomorrow as it reduces us getting turned over by the pitch officials only.
Fingers crossed Pickford plays a blinder if called on. Any goal we score had to be as saintly as Virgil
132 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:45:31
Sigurdsson - Gomes needs to step it up
Iwobi - possibly Bernard, but I'd like to see Gordon's pace
133 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:46:51
I am hoping for a routine, workmanlike away win...the sort of professional performance that is almost matter-of-fact. This will send out a chilling message to our competition.
134 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:49:31
We are only acting to protect our players who we know are innocent, and it almost feels personal when a slur, which we know not to be the case, against our team, players, or Manager is aired on the Media.
135 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:49:56
136 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:50:48
137 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:52:13
Nobody likes cheating, but it is one of the defence mechanisms flair players use. I don't really blame James if he goes down like a bomb if he feels a touch, when he knows he's going to get kicked from pillar to post. It puts doubt in the defender's mind, makes him pause before launching in to clean him out.
138 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:54:56
The reason is predictability, more than anything else. I'm not suggesting to start with all three but include them at least on the bench.
Southampton will come at us with passion at the start. We need to shut them out, calm the whole scenario down and then blitz them. Simples - Ha Ha!
140 Posted 24/10/2020 at 12:02:26
If Everton are Top of the League I wouldn't bet on it. If they are also unbeaten prepare for the avalanche.
141 Posted 24/10/2020 at 12:03:59
Everton U18s, who were top after 4 games, are now behind 4-0 to them bastards – before half-time.
142 Posted 24/10/2020 at 12:23:59
Tough game tomorrow, but I suspect they'll be more concerned about us. They should be.
143 Posted 24/10/2020 at 12:25:38
144 Posted 24/10/2020 at 12:42:56
However, here is my message to Ralph, concentrate on your own fucking team you klopp loving twat. Also, keep your mucky fucking feet off the pitch until the game is over you disrespectful tosser. Re Chelsea last week. Is there a klopp school for running on the pitch now? Nailed your colours well and truly to the mast now Ralphy boy, expect a dignified greeting from an elegant and classy manager in the opposite dug out tomorrow though, it's called holding the moral high ground and acting with dignity.
Something you would fail to comprehend, being an out of control, lacking in etiquette, arrogant, inconsequential little man who needs the safety in numbers of the media.
WANKER IN SHORT RALPH. You have single handedly turned the game tomorrow into a free for all, of which you should be ashamed, what sort of person let's a tosser like klopp manipulate him into this?
I will now refer to you as a German, as I know for a fact Austrians hate that!
Well done, however I know that now you have opened this seedy can of worms, you are lacking in the moral fibre to defend your actions and eventually the joke and the tears will be on you.
I certainly wouldn't want your type next to me in the trenches sunshine.
145 Posted 24/10/2020 at 12:43:13
And in other news the league leaders best player could be out of our next game after an unfortunate deliberate tackle designed to take him out the game..kippers didn't see it
146 Posted 24/10/2020 at 12:53:06
147 Posted 24/10/2020 at 12:54:27
148 Posted 24/10/2020 at 12:55:04
149 Posted 24/10/2020 at 14:10:30
Paul, I think LFC is more the Democratic Party of football: full on media support no matter what; associated with lots of murders; deeply corrupt; a sort of strange amalgam between fanatical violent thugs and mafia crime families.
150 Posted 24/10/2020 at 14:25:08
Godfrey Keane Mina
Davies Doucouré Allan Gomes Digne
Although, as others have mentioned, Carlo may prefer to use Iwobi instead of Davies and Sigurdsson instead of Gomes.
151 Posted 24/10/2020 at 14:30:44
Actually, I think it would be a rather good way of ridiculing the whining wankers across the park if we were to adopt that as a nickname for Pickford. After all, Pickford seems like quite a nice lad.
152 Posted 24/10/2020 at 14:41:06
The media along with lots of other people completely missed the VVD tackle on Rodriguez before his clash with Pickford.
Just like the media does not report obvious corruption in other activities.
153 Posted 24/10/2020 at 14:42:48
154 Posted 24/10/2020 at 14:45:52
Ever thought of a career in the diplomatic corps?
Think youd do rather well especially dealing with the Brexit palava
155 Posted 24/10/2020 at 15:47:13
When he tires - which he will - Iwobi or (hopefully) Gordon to take his place. Whoever doesnt get the nod out of those 2 should give James a blow after 60/65 mins.
No need to drop Gomes yet. As much as he struggled last week look at the alternative - an even slower Gylfi playing out of position on the left of midfield ? Not for me Clive.
Let us use the negative press surrounding our top of the league team as our motivation tomorrow ‘eh Carlo. Be brave and on the front foot from the first whistle and show their blurt of a manager who he is dealing with.
Onward Evertonians 💙
156 Posted 24/10/2020 at 16:19:29
I think Lyndon has got the starting 11 spot on, assuming James is fit.
157 Posted 24/10/2020 at 16:29:31
There does not seem to me to be any fakery here, it is nothing other than a fine, non-patronising, kind act from Kenwright and it does him and the club great credit. Apologies if this is the wrong thread but I didn't know where else to put it.
158 Posted 24/10/2020 at 16:46:48
159 Posted 24/10/2020 at 16:54:18
160 Posted 24/10/2020 at 17:43:24
161 Posted 24/10/2020 at 19:14:49
162 Posted 24/10/2020 at 19:19:57
Still stick by what I said though!
Hope we stuff them tomorrow.
163 Posted 24/10/2020 at 19:24:39
Mentality important, ruthless arrogance required
164 Posted 24/10/2020 at 19:26:28
165 Posted 24/10/2020 at 20:03:43
An acid test but, a real test of character. If we can take our chances then we can win this game.
Lets see Allan, and Duke, boss the midfield anD whoever covers Richarlison and if Hanes cant play, then Gordon, or Iwobi steps up to the plate.
No silly mistakes and no warming up to the match. This game will be a battle all the way through.
If Hames plays then, we have something unique.
Carlo will have planned this week, and whilst Mr Ed, has likely been telling Saurkraut, what to do, who gives a dam. Let them worry about Everton.
Fek, them all, and Evertonians, will rally to the cause tomorrow.
167 Posted 24/10/2020 at 23:17:50
168 Posted 24/10/2020 at 23:49:59
169 Posted 24/10/2020 at 23:55:21
If after 6 games we can be 3 points clear that's awesome.
Maybe more importantly we'd also be two or three games clear of most of the usual top 4 contenders. Things can change quickly but you'd have to believe from that position we'll be in contention around Christmas.
When the league starts to 'norm', and it always does, we need to make sure we're still in the mix.
170 Posted 24/10/2020 at 23:58:35
Seen The Blades, get unlucky at our old ground, tonight, if we take our chances, we make and no, soft freebies,tomorrow, I reckon, its the stake in the ground, for a strong campaign for Everton, this season.
Sharpiesx4, at the old Dell, no, but some good knocks in for DCL, on the angle, early doors.
Ideally Id like to see some shots also from the other midfielders, Hames, aside.
All, have a good night and stay safe and well.
“Whats Our Name?”
171 Posted 25/10/2020 at 01:41:28
172 Posted 25/10/2020 at 01:18:43
We can change it to "Pickford's gonna get ya!" COYB.
173 Posted 25/10/2020 at 01:31:08
174 Posted 25/10/2020 at 01:38:16
Always played for Scotland, and I think he was Captain for a few games, and of course he played for us too. I remember he used to have thighs and legs like Roy Race of Melchester Rovers.
I seem to remember too that he held the record at the time for the hardest /fastest shot in British Football, that has probably been well surpassed now, plus the ball is totally different to what they played with then. In his case it was something like 80 miles per hour.
No wonder goalies were anxious when that was flying at them, plus the outfield players were wary at getting clobbered too with one of those thunderbolts. Good memories there mate.
175 Posted 25/10/2020 at 03:14:35
Bernard if chosen is well aware that he has to stake a claim if he wants first-team action. I think he will be selected. But Ancelotti will change play and tactics during the game, so it will be interesting to see what his bench options are, particularly in attack. Iowbi is playing well, so Bernard is not a shoo-in to play.
Godfrey will be in Coleman's position, but I don't think Gomes is the automatic third midfielder. He was poor against Liverpool; I expect Davies to be selected instead.
176 Posted 25/10/2020 at 03:34:11
He's a wily old fox, Carlo, I'm sure he knows as well as we do that anything we put on TW in good faith, will appear shortly after as some journos breaking news on one of the sites like above.
Not saying Carlo reads ToffeeWeb, but in his pressers he drops subtleties that he knows in similar fashion will be, as above spread like wildfire and to the opposition camps.
In wartime they called it 'disinformation', let the enemy think you are going in one direction, or have a definite plan, and then do either the opposite or something completely different.
177 Posted 25/10/2020 at 06:32:27
178 Posted 25/10/2020 at 08:00:59
For his future at the club he has to , there can be no passengers if we want to serious challengers for the top 4 .
As much as we all love Bernards control and skill if he is overlooked today that means he is only 4th choice backup after Richie, Iwobi, Sigurdsson possibly Gordon and way down the pecking order. It wouldnt surprise me if he moved on in January to get some football.
This game will be a very good indication of our potential for breaking the top 4. Our fully fit star first choice 11 is good enough, maybe one or two places up for grabs , but the ability of our squad to improve and rise to the challenge will determine whether we win games like today and become a fixture in the top 4 positions.
179 Posted 25/10/2020 at 08:14:39
Carlo may yet unleash the talent that we hoped was there when we parted with £35m for his services.
I expect a win, we are good enough and should have no more away day blues
180 Posted 25/10/2020 at 08:38:58
181 Posted 25/10/2020 at 08:46:57
182 Posted 25/10/2020 at 08:47:25
Where though is the nationwide uproar, the attempts to have McGuire retrospectively given a red card?
Surely VAR should have seen it and informed the referee to refer to the pitch side monitor.
Will there be a public outcry, will every pundit on the planet join in the approbation the scandalous, clear and obvious foul by McGuire?
Sorry, I forgot he plays for one of the Sky darlings, the big 6 who can do no wrong. Imagine if that had been Michael Keane!
183 Posted 25/10/2020 at 08:53:34
That is one of the most mysterious / confusing posts Ive ever come across on ToffeeWeb.
184 Posted 25/10/2020 at 08:54:09
We should have the better of them, Romeu and Diallo shouldn't be able to compete with Doucoure and Allan so here is where we need to push and dominate them. Bertrand and Redmond will attack quite a lot down the left, and have pace about them so the loss of the resurgent Coleman is a shame. But Godfrey and Iwobi should be able to take care of them.
With no James, and no Coleman, then our attacking will primarily come from the Left side with Digne. So it will be interesting to see who takes Richarlison's place. Personally i'd go with Gordon.
185 Posted 25/10/2020 at 08:59:02
I find when I am trying to predict the team and the formation, as you say, Ancelotti is hard to predict. I think he is into disinformation, but he likes to vary tactics and formation during a game so it's hard to work out who he will start and who will come on from the bench. The obvious risk of being on the bench is that a injury on the field could cut down their chances of playing.
Bernard really looked to have benefited from Ancelottis coaching at the start, cutting out the irritating drawback as part of his game, with accurate forward passing. After lockdown he was ineffective, apparently had personnel problems.
I do think Rodriguez seems to have fulfilled the Bernard role, and more. Now Bernard available position is a bit further forward when Rodriguez is playing , but he hasn't a good record of scoring. It could be he is back up for Rodriguez and on his wages that is not good enough, hence reports of him looking away. Iowbi and Gordon are more likely to score and are more direct. There could be truth in what Tony#178 has said.
Does a player not miss a game after a Red Card?
186 Posted 25/10/2020 at 09:05:43
187 Posted 25/10/2020 at 09:07:17
188 Posted 25/10/2020 at 09:13:34
Let's hope Doucoure can burst beyond Gomes or Siggy into the box today and get one, like Gary Speed or Bryan Robson used to do.
189 Posted 25/10/2020 at 09:40:29
In all the Pickford nonsense it almost seemed to be overlooked that we'll miss Richarlison for 3 games - such a dumb move - derbies are never good for us.
In his place Iwobi - and Gordon to come on for him if we run out of ideas.
Will be interesting to see Godfrey again at right-back again.
Not an easy match but see if Ancelotti can sneak a win - clean sheet is obviously important if our goal threat is muted.
190 Posted 25/10/2020 at 09:47:07
Godfrey at right back, Gordon to replace Richarlison and either Bernard or Sigurdsson to come in for James if need be.
191 Posted 25/10/2020 at 09:59:02
192 Posted 25/10/2020 at 10:14:19
Yet if you check the BBC football pages you will find not a single mention.
Maybe Im just a bitter blue but why do we not even get our 5 weeks in the spotlight, even if thats all it turns out to be.
On a separate note its great to see Koeman working his magic at Barca.
He literally has the one the best players in the history of the game at his disposal and he still manages to produce a team with no plan or style.
Makes me wonder what chance Sandro, Vlasic et al actually had to succeed with that clown in charge.
As for todays game I just want to see another good performance with plenty of attacking intent.
If we manage that the we should win irrespective of what Ings and co do.
Spurs (and even Chelsea in parts) showed that this Saints team can be taken apart if you dont succumb to the press and effort.
COYB another 3 points and another week of dreaming
193 Posted 25/10/2020 at 10:22:44
194 Posted 25/10/2020 at 10:44:59
If he carries on like this he might return ready to hit the ground running?
195 Posted 25/10/2020 at 10:45:07
196 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:04:46
I havent checked the goal difference but I guess if we lose by a couple of goals the other lot could go top on goal difference tonight, surely that should be a big incentive to our lads to make sure if you cant win then you don't lose.
197 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:04:59
198 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:05:44
199 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:08:47
Win and we're 3 points clear of the RS. Incentivised enough lads?
200 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:16:15
201 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:19:02
Hypothetical I know, but I wonder how these players we remember fondly would fare in the modern game? It's very much changed in so many ways, speed of play, rule changes, almost non-contact etc. But at least they can't take the memories away from us old 'uns!
203 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:29:59
meanwhile one of the game's deepest thinkers, bbc pundit Danny Murphy calls today for our manager to drop Pickford 'for the good of the game', and so that it sends a message' that horrble tackles will not be tolerated.
I imagine Carlo in his pre match interview when being asked why Jordan is not in the starting 11 will say' We wanted to send a message to the wider footballing world. Bad tackles like that will not be tolerated. Not while I'm the boss'
204 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:40:45
Sheff Utd have also lost their mainstay central defender for the season, Leeds have lost their main central defender for recent games but these facts are hardly mentioned when reviewing a clubs performance. When Gomes had his ankle snapped, there was more sympathy given to Son than to Everton.
It is beyond a joke. But let them have it. They will cry at every opportunity, complaining against every decision against them as if some great injustice is done.
So long as we keep winning, they can cry all they want.
They will let this 'we are victims' mentality swamp them and they'll never retain the title.
205 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:40:55
I'd perhaps bring Walcott in for Richarlison. I know Walcott's bad at finishing but he is more like for like for Richarlison and can draw defenders completely out of place which gives space for others to exploit. If you don't have anyone running forward, it becomes much more difficult for the creators to create.
206 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:45:37
207 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:46:08
It had ceased to be a talking point 24 hours after the game, despite the attempts of the pro-LFC media to keep it alive.
Murphy is another of these 3rd rate pundits the BBC seem to employ - most of whom trade on emotion and dont understand the rules of the game. Some of the comments on the offside goal were hilarious if only for the ignorance displayed.
I notice he stopped short of recommending retrospective action against Jimmy Case (for the tackle that ended Geoff Nultys career) or Dirk Kuyt for his attempted assassination of Phil Neville.
208 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:53:40
Well then I'd get Gordon in and tell him to run hard at the defenders.
209 Posted 25/10/2020 at 11:53:47
210 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:00:00
211 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:04:20
Everton today have the chance to regain outright leadership of the Premier League.
I thought we were now
212 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:05:17
213 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:15:37
214 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:32:02
Whoever comes in for Richarlison you can guarentee will either pop up with a goal or an assist, it is just the way things are going for us, long may it continue.
So stop hiding behind the settee, stop pacing the floor with doubts, this is the new Everton.
I do not think, I know Everton are going to turn up today and tear them a new one.
Two players we have missing, we have cover there, we still have the nucleus of our strong team so stop worrying, believe and lets be positive, we can do this Blues.
Make headlines all over the media today for the right reasons.
215 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:33:35
Don't think Kean will be back to Everton.
Never impressed me that he likes to be at Everton.
I can't remember where I read it, the loan arrangement got 20M buy out clause. and also constant news about him wanted to go back to Italy
I would say forget about him and give others a chance at Everton.
216 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:37:25
Yes, Ive not been Darrens greatest fan to be honest, but he was articulate and sensible on the subject, both qualities generally missing from the swivel eyed baying from the majority of so called commentators.
Good on Black Lives Matter related comments as well.
217 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:38:09
Chris @ 192 As we expected, the Dutch mastermind is rapidly turning Barca into a team of cloggers. He Gouda done a lot better with the players at his disposal.
218 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:57:22
He certainly seems a little hare-brained...
219 Posted 25/10/2020 at 12:59:14
220 Posted 25/10/2020 at 13:00:05
Neither of them stayed very long. Rioch was a good strong, powerful footballer. Duncan was an entertainer who stayed less time here than Bruce but both of them longer than Bingham who signed them.
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