Newcastle United 2 - 1 Everton
André Gomes was somewhat harshly adjudged to have fouled Callum Wilson for Newcastle's penalty but the Portuguese had another poor game overall
The bloom came completely off Everton's flying start to the season as, shorn of their most creative players, they paid the price for a turgid and uninspired display with defeat at St James's Park
Callum Wilson broke the deadlock of what had been a pretty lifeless encounter when he was adjudged to have been fouled by André Gomes and Ryan Fraser stepped off the bench to seemingly put the game beyond the visitors.
Dominic Calvert-Lewin snapped up a rare chance in stoppage time but it too little much too late as Carlo Ancelotti suffered back-to-back league defeats as a manager for the first time in six years.
Perhaps hoping to allow his charges to find their feet following the loss at Southampton last week, Ancelotti went for solidity rather than flair in midfield, dropping Alex Iwobi and bringing Fabian Delph in to provide support Niels Nkounkou on the left flank.
The bigger news was in goal where Jordan Pickford made way for the first time in the Premier League since he joined the Blues, with his manager tacitly acknowledging the pressure on the goalkeeper in the wake of the derby controversy by handing Robin Olsen a debut.
Amid a cagey start, Callum Wilson had the only opening in the first 20 minutes when he fired wide on the half-volley after latching onto a ball over the top.
Everton forced their first corner with half an hour on the clock which provided them with their first chance to test Darlow but when he punched clear and Newcastle countered, Allan Saint-Maximin seemed odds on to score but Olsen spread himself and batted the shot away.
Six minutes later, a second corner from the same side when Fernandez sliced behind but when the ball eventually came to Abdoulaye Doucouré, the Frenchman couldn't get the ball out of his feet and could only prod tamely towards the goal.
The second half began in more positive fashion, with Calvert-Lewin leaping to meet a deep Kenny cross but Sigurdsson couldn't get proper contact on a volley in front of goal.
Newcastle were awarded a penalty in fortunate circumstances in the 54th minute, however, when Gomes kicked caught Wilson trying to clear a corner and referee Stuart Atwell pointed to the spot.
A VAR check check held up the taking of the spot-kick but Wilson converted, sending Olsen the wrong way.
The Magpies then played their way neatly through the defence and Olsen pulle off an excellent save to deny Longstaff a quick second for the home side.
Ancelotti responded by bringing Bernard on Gomes after an hour, the Portuguese seemingly feeling the effects of his accidental challenge on WIlson and the visitors started to apply more pressure as Calvert-Lewin headed into the keeper's arms from a Sigurdsson free-kick.
Nkounkou then made way for Cenk Tosun to make his first Everton appearance in almost a year and the Turk was followed onto the field by Alex Iwobi who replaced Kenny.
Iwobi's first involvement was to win a free-kick but Keane headed it well over with 13 minutes left of the 90 but after Sigurdsson shot straight at Darlow, Newcastle counter-attacked, Ryan Fraser's cross deflected up off Mina and Wilson just had to knock it over the line at the far post.
Calvert-Lewin went close straight afterwards as Everton tried to respond but his effort flew narrowly wide and Sigurdsson blazed a miscued shot off target.
The game had moved into stoppage time before the visitors finally scored as Calvert-Lewin stole in at the near post to prod Iwobi's cross in in front of the keeper.
Darlow had to push Bernard's wayward cross over his crossbar setting up a very late corner but even with Olsen up for the set-piece, Darlow was able to claim and ensure that the Magpies took the points.
Kick-off: 2pm, Sunday 1 November, 2020
Referee: Stuart Atwell
VAR: Craig Pawson
Last Time: Newcastle United 1 - 2 Everton
Everton: Pickford, Kenny, Keane, Mina, Nkounkou, Allan, Gomes, Doucouré, Sigurdsson, Delph, Calvert-Lewin
Subs: Pickford, Branthwaite, Iwobi, Gordon, Bernard, Tosun, Simms
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1 Posted 01/11/2020 at 13:50:32
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Cahill talking absolute nonsense in the studio as usual.
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For some reason I have a real feeling of dread today. *gulp*
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Suppose Gomes will play advanced with Doucoure and Delph tucking into the vacated fullback positions with the fullbacks asked to bomb on.
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39 Posted 01/11/2020 at 14:08:36
Nkounkou reminds me of that on the left.
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Its a mandatory shut down by those in power for the proletariat. They know best.
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Inquiring minds want to know Samba King.
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Newcastle and Southampton last week are playing so deep. Theres no counter attacking opportunities, no way to break with pace.
We have to figure out how to break these teams down when they play deep.
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Drives me crazy.
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Get Sigurdsson and Delph off at half time and get Gordon and Iwobi on. Or at least Gordon on for Sigurdsson and put Delph to left back and Nkounkou wide left.
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No live forum by the way?
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Worst number 10 ever.
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Olsen good and reassuring.
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Bet he wins it for us
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Im quite happy with that first half.
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Sigurdsson off , Bernard on. inject some creativity Sigg is not offering much
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Wish we had gone for King. He's not top quality but he would offer what we need right now to add some pace and vitality.
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More ambition needed
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238 Posted 01/11/2020 at 14:54:36
The main issue is the formation. You simply cant thread a pass through such a congested middle and theres absolutely no width. Carlo needs to change that. He needs to take the captain fantastic off. Hes done nothing but pass backwards.
239 Posted 01/11/2020 at 14:54:58
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241 Posted 01/11/2020 at 14:55:05
Yeh and with a better face I'd be in the movies!!
Martin. Here's one: it's stopped for a bit.
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Gomes off, Gordon on!
252 Posted 01/11/2020 at 14:57:07
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We have options on the bench to open it up later on with Gorden and Bernard for Gomes and Siggy.
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I still think we f#cked ourselves up in the window leaving ourselves short of attacking threat.
264 Posted 01/11/2020 at 14:59:39
265 Posted 01/11/2020 at 14:59:51
Build up is too slow, Gomes and Siggy playing in awkward positions for them in their defence - both huffing and puffing with fair few sloppy mistakes.
We absolutely cant concede first in this match. Heres hoping for a clean sheet and we can pinch a goal.
Id like see Gordon for a more direct running threat, space in behind their wingbacks
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Sigurdsson cannot do what Gomes can do. Hes not capable of it. And Delph isnt either. They just lack the passing ability.
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Bernard in the 10 role
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He will give it 75 mins and then put Gordon, and Bernard on.
282 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:02:58
I think the Son tackle buggered him and he'll never be the same player again.
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285 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:03:25
I said before the game that this would be a KITAP1
We neede to watch them on the break and then get that goal.
I forecast Gordon to come on at 60 minutes and either him or DCL score the winner.
286 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:03:25
I said before the game that this would be a KITAP1
We neede to watch them on the break and then get that goal.
I forecast Gordon to come on at 60 minutes and either him or DCL score the winner.
287 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:03:31
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Carlo has tightened up the formation from last weekend, with Delph and Doucoure dropping back allowing Nkoukou and Kenny to get forward, but no one in midfield with the courage or pace to break from midfield to unbalance Newcastle's rigid lines.
Allan has shown the sharper most incisive and inventive passing in that area. Sigurdsson is actually having a decent game. Gomes isn't. DCL's hold up and lay-off play excellent, but getting nothing to attack facing the goal.
The Barcodes more than happy to simply concede territory to Everton when losing the ball. The challenge is to pull them out of position with quicker play and someone with willing to carry the ball through them, rather than continually attempt to play through and around such congested lines.
Olsen's done well with everything he has had to deal with. Just need to speed things up across the pitch.
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And with that City score from a corner
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So a player can run in front of our man who's kicking the ball, and they get a pen!??? Corruption is rife yet again,, could you honestly see anyone getting a pen like that against any of the sky loveys?
331 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:15:36
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Now, need subs and system change ASAP
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To have him and Sigurdsson in the same team is a poor decision in my opinion. Hard to question Ancelotti but why oh why do supposed experienced managers regularly play players out of position as they are supposedly 'better footballers'. Ridiculous really.
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Our squad is still shit
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411 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:31:09
412 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:31:10
Needed to work it left and right to get the 1 on 1 with the fullback. Was just starting to happen as the game opened up when he abandoned it.
Two poachers doesnt open up a low block.
413 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:31:14
414 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:31:14
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417 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:31:23
"Rodriguez and Richarlison linked in double swoop by big six club. 'We want a chance of success' say South American duo".
418 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:31:37
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447 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:34:51
448 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:35:09
449 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:35:10
We've come full circle. Iwobi is on.
450 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:35:10
451 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:35:31
452 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:35:37
453 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:35:40
454 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:35:45
455 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:35:48
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457 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:36:04
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459 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:36:44
460 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:36:45
461 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:36:45
462 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:36:59
Poor poor team and tactical selection today. Every one can see it.
463 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:37:00
464 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:37:03
465 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:37:07
This is shite this Blues!
466 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:37:12
467 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:37:17
468 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:37:18
469 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:37:31
470 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:37:31
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473 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:37:41
474 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:38:04
475 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:38:09
476 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:38:09
477 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:38:14
Fuck off, they had one chance. Which game are you watching?
478 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:39:10
479 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:39:12
This is supremely frustrating. Weve played exactly the way Newcastle would want us to.
480 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:39:16
481 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:39:21
482 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:39:37
483 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:39:47
484 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:40:09
485 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:40:11
486 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:40:33
487 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:41:04
Then Iwobi? Iwobi?
Honestly I am beginning to think the club has some sort of gas leak at Finch Farm that gets in to managers and poisons the rational thinking part if their brains.
What has Anthony Gordon done so wrong he can get in to this team?
Only Everton eh.
488 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:41:06
489 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:41:24
491 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:41:39
492 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:41:40
493 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:41:48
494 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:04
Since then, when we have out first XI playing we look good.
When not, we don't.
Since the mid-60s it has been a squad game and whilst our first XI is excellent our squad isn't.
We need another couple of windows to really "compete", but you can see is coming.
I know the word "patience" has been used ofttimes in. the past and is abhorred by many, but it is what we need now!
Just a little more time.
495 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:10
496 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:10
497 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:12
498 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:13
Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,Oh Anthony Gordon,
Better than this crap.
499 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:15
500 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:18
501 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:21
502 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:21
503 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:21
504 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:28
505 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:29
506 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:34
We'll finished around 8th this season..
507 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:39
508 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:41
509 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:41
510 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:43
511 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:42:51
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519 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:43:43
520 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:43:48
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522 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:44:11
Total lack of urgency, guile, and worst of all, effort!
523 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:44:12
524 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:44:15
525 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:44:17
The reality now is we are clearly a long way off the top 6. Carlo needs to up his game for United.
526 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:44:21
527 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:44:23
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541 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:46:22
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543 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:46:46
544 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:47:01
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548 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:47:19
549 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:47:23
551 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:47:51
552 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:01
553 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:05
Olsen is better than Pickford.
Iwobi and Siggi should be knows her near the squad.
Bernard is useless.
DCL has to be told to stay central.
Mina not good enough.
554 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:13
555 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:28
556 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:30
Mad starting line up and tactical set up, even worse substitutions.
No idea what he was thinking today.
557 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:35
558 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:35
559 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:41
560 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:43
Is Delph the most negative passer of a ball?
561 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:43
562 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:48:51
563 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:49:00
564 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:49:01
565 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:49:04
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569 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:49:23
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573 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:49:57
574 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:50:02
575 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:50:08
576 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:50:13
577 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:51:10
578 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:51:25
Pickford in for Richie probably.
579 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:51:28
580 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:51:35
581 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:51:40
582 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:52:13
583 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:53:06
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585 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:53:51
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588 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:54:35
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590 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:54:44
591 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:54:53
592 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:55:13
593 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:55:13
Everton screwed up by not having decent strikers in reserve.
We flattered to deceive for the first few games and now the rot is in even if the others return.
It's just the mentality of this club every season.
The squad just doesn't have the determination to succeed and after all the euphoria of DCL and his England success I am afraid he has been hung out to dry.
Three games, no wins and one very lucky draw. Does the same, old same old never end. Carlo it seems isn't any more capable than his predecessors even Big Sam.
594 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:55:15
595 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:55:19
596 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:55:34
597 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:55:49
598 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:55:53
599 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:56:03
600 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:56:05
601 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:56:08
Newcastle are poor but we just shot ourselves in the foot with a far too casual approach. No one seemed bothered at gifting free kicks, throw-ins and corners. Weve seen countless times before that we rarely rouse ourselves from such a torpid start.
JJK seems to have gotten worse from his time in Germany, Delph and Gomes both want far too many touches / time to pick a pass.
Now we are having a late rally to try to pick up a single point.
Allan, DCL, Bernard and Olsen didnt do a lot wrong and Nkounkou wasnt given the support / opportunities he needed from Delph and Gomes. Doucoure a shadow of himself basically reduced to covering the RB position.
602 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:56:11
603 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:56:17
604 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:56:42
605 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:56:44
606 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:57:03
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608 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:57:21
609 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:57:24
610 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:57:35
Against Southampton we created nothing, and against a very very poor Newcastle side, we created next to nothing.
Very worrying that we can't function without Richarlison.
611 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:57:40
612 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:57:48
613 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:57:52
614 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:58:11
615 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:58:30
Request for Michael - can we have a live forum for the next game?
616 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:58:36
Wtf taking both full backs off Snd putting Tosun and Iwobi on.
I dont know what Gordon has to do to get a game.
If ever a game made pace this was it.
617 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:58:37
618 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:58:59
619 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:59:19
We're going nowhere
620 Posted 01/11/2020 at 15:59:26
621 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:00:24
Down to Ancelotti Im afraid
622 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:00:31
Carlo needs to work on ironing out the errors.
Itll take a while for Carlo to manage out the weaker players. Annoys me when the likes of Delph and Sig come in and fail miserably to stake a claim.
623 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:00:33
There is nothing there, is there? Awful, and I'm afraid I won't be indulging myself any more with foolish hopes.
Always a Blue, but I haven't got enough years left to waste on this indescribably frustrating club. Above all, we lack courage, and that is unforgivable.
624 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:00:34
626 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:00:35
627 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:00:44
I'm never on the live forum.. Gylfi 'treacle feet' Sigurdsson was utter shite.
628 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:01:00
629 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:01:42
630 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:02:01
631 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:02:13
632 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:02:16
633 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:02:17
634 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:02:21
I don't know how you could form that opinion today.
635 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:02:22
636 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:02:32
637 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:02:40
638 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:02:43
639 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:03:10
When you have Iwobi, Tosun and Simms on the bench... And that breath of fresh air, Bernard...
640 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:03:14
Delph. my god. Bring back Pembridge. All he did was a bit of pointing, passed the ball backwards and crossed like a tosser.
As for Carlo - Tosun? Has Gordan been caught nailing his missus?
641 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:04:12
642 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:04:17
643 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:04:29
644 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:04:41
645 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:04:55
Nothing to see here.
Ineffective Everton last season is officially back.
Gomez..as clumsy as last season...always given up fouls near dangerous areas..today, he finally paid for it.
Delph. he slows everything down even after we were trailing.
Siggy man way way past his prime
Sorry JJK really shows we desperately need Coleman back.
Keep playing these players...we would be heading towards mid table at best
646 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:05:01
647 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:05:11
And playing with one striker is useless when you have those three behind. Bernard did more when he came on than those three. Also what happened to Gordon?
Think Carlo got this wrong today again.
648 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:05:41
Mina. the list goes on.
649 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:05:49
Out-coached by Bruce who realized we had little creativity no one to pull his defense out of shape and just say, got a break then played counter attack.
Not one player showed any bravery on the ball, not one midfielder ran beyond the ball consistently to aid Calvert-Lewin. Make no mistake Newcastle are terrible, so this makes Carlos tactics and the players performance much worse than being beaten by a good Southampton team last week.
650 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:05:53
651 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:06:11
Clearly not enough strength in depth, but why oh why didnt they take this game to Newcastle from the start?
Sickening defeat and it looks like a tough run in to Christmas. It seems like we have become so reliant on Charlie and also without Hames, no final pass or vision today.
For me Gordon should have started and no support for DCL. To have 60 odd % of the possession and get only a couple of mediocre efforts on goal, is killing this season. Gomes for me doesnt do enough and you knew as soon as Fraser was on they had capability to nick a goal.
We get up and go next week, it could be a long day v the Mancs at this rate, but surely the team must come out of this self imposed slumber?
652 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:06:47
653 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:07:01
Looking forward to after the international break when we might see Holgate, and even Gbamin in with a shout.
But it's obvious JJ Kenny isn't the answer at right back, and siggy had a mare of a 1st half was marginally better in the 2nd and needs to be moved on.It's been a year since Gomes was done by Son and he's not the same player.
Positives, was the GK and not much else, but we've got a good 1st 11, it's just the rest that needs to be cleared out
654 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:08:19
655 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:08:27
656 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:08:48
658 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:09:12
A soft pen perhaps but you simply can't go putting your knee through the back of someone leg, in the box.
Dumb and dumber.
The line-up was to keep us in it but it is always a risk. The tinkering was mind-bendingly daft. Gordon sat on the bench as Iwobi and bernard come on, but Siggy allowed to play all game. Taking off the full backs and then Mina gets done on the break.
Ancelotti's fault 100%. This Newcastle team is very ordinary.
659 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:10:05
660 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:11:07
661 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:11:40
Absolutely no service to DCL, hopefully the addition of Digne and James will add some bite to our play next week. And we badly need Holgate back - Mina is a total disaster. The only positives from this game - Olsen is not bad, and DCL gets back to scoring ways.
The bubble is indeed well and truly burst.
662 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:11:49
663 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:11:56
664 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:12:01
Stick to simple formations playing players that suit the position
665 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:12:02
don't you mean us lot
666 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:12:42
I always feel like Everton will never truly progress as a club until it steers away from this morbid fascination of defensive midfielders.
667 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:12:42
Most of them looked like pub team players today
668 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:12:51
If you would have told me at the start of the season we would be in this position, like most of you I would have laughed my cock off. Lets see what next week brings us.
669 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:13:04
Why take off natural pace and energy of the full backs?
What did he expect Tosun to do? No impact.
Playing a high line without pace in the centre of defence.
We didn't go for Fraser. Pace and energy. We didn't go for King. Pace, energy, attacking threat. Why?
It's been a bad week. Lot's to nick pick at but we need to move on and win our next game. IMO change of players and formation is needed.
670 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:13:05
I can take losing I really can. BUT the rubbish performances are unacceptable
Allan and Doucouré have been infected by the Everton curse of no energy, no motivation, no skill and no pressing
That was a shambles very similar to Southampton game
671 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:14:21
672 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:14:58
673 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:15:09
674 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:15:24
675 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:16:39
Even Townsend and Osman in the studio didn't think it was a penalty.
We certainly did not do enough to win this game but we did not deserve to lose either, as Newcastle were just as poor.
676 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:17:12
I hoped when we signed Doucoure we would see him occupy the same role he did for Watford, breaking from midfield and joining the attack but for some reason Ancelotti is playing him in a much deeper role, which I find strange. I have said in many posts Richarlison is our most important player he gets teams on the back foot, no other member of the squad does this.
This was a poor performance from players and manager alike, we gave a very,very poor Newcastle for to much respect, should have thrown more men into attack from minute 1 than trying to keep things tight and pinch a goal on the break.
With still no Richarlison for the Man Utd game it will need a massive improvement to get anything from that game. Lets face it Southampton and Newcastle are at best mid table outfits, so if both of thses can beat us it doesnt augur well till we get our suspended and injured players back.
I think most of us know we have a decent starting 11but not much else in reserve. Yet another simple ball over the top gets Mina in trouble again we need Godfrey and Holgate back in their either alongside Keane or with each other.
677 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:17:15
678 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:17:48
So was you happy with that performance?
What if we get further injuries / suspensions?
If we were playing shite and winning, no problem. But today and last week!!!!
679 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:18:52
It's worse this year somehow after all the hype we had at the start. It's even more humiliating this time.
And yes, I agree with Pat, Richarlison will likely be packing his bags come May. We can't blame him really.
680 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:19:36
681 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:19:37
Does anyone think Delph is abysmal?
He receives the ball and completely destroys any momentum. He holds the ball for an age.
I dont want him in this team. He can look decent, but looks deceive. he completely destroys any forward movement up the pitch.
A totally and utter liability.
682 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:22:12
He's fkin sheeeight. Simple as that.
683 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:22:12
684 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:23:18
My 6 year old son said during the game - why dont we ever pass the ball towards their goal?
685 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:23:48
Olson deserves a good mention with two excellent saves.
Carlo has some thinking to do.
686 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:25:28
The outstanding feature of our early games was movement and first touch play, a rhythmic tempo which pulled teams about.
I ask how many touches did all our players take, 3/4/5 every time adding nothing to our play? Only Calvert-Lewin used his meagre touches well.
How can any coach not adjust from a centre forward having to go against three centre backs? Only late on did the extra forward create gaps because they had an extra man to pick up. Really poor from Carlo.
687 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:26:03
Delph, Siggy, Iwobi & Gomes are just not good enough.
Mind you any club would miss the quality of James and Richarlison.
688 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:26:17
There are excuses, missing some of our most creative players being the main one.
I thought all the hype up to now in the media was somewhat over the top.
Ah well back to reality.
689 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:26:25
690 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:27:41
The worrying thing there is that quartet cost over 100 million pound and are in 400k a week. Shocking really
691 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:28:50
A wake up to us all that we still have a serious amount of dross on our books.
We need a new sponsorship deal with a cotton wool provider to make sure James doesn't get hurt.
692 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:28:59
What else is there to do? Perhaps an allotment, or collecting old train timetables.
693 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:29:27
694 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:30:51
All due respect to those with potential but how many of that list of 12 would start for a top 6 side?
695 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:31:14
696 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:32:02
Wilson and Fraser are not the players we should've been after, neither are good enough for top 6. This result doesn't change that.
Our formation/selection was questionable but if we play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 the moaning arses on here would have thrown their toys out of the pram as Iwobi or Barnard (maybe both!) would have played out wide. We controlled the game but as feared lacked creativity and players making runs and our wide threats - JJK and Nkoukou - were easily contained.
I groaned when Iwobi came on but he made a couple of key passes in his time on the pitch, so fair play. Delph was solid, as was Allan. Sigurdsson provided a threat from range and if you think he stunk it up today (as he did last week), you're blinded by bias. I expected more offensively from Dacoure. DCL was starved of service until the last 10m. Olsen had a good debut and looks capable of putting Pickford under threat. Bernard played well when he came on and is clearly a better player in a more central position than on the left.
So yeah 3 points dropped and it is disappointing but not completely unexpected. All our missing players were our wide options, that's a test for any team, especially considering Ancelotti has had just one transfer window and with limited funds. So let's not throw the baby out with the bath water just yet. Digne and (hopefully) James back for Man U then Richy for Fulham.
697 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:33:17
698 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:33:35
699 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:34:29
One or two injuries and we have seen the end result, squad players coming in that are just nowhere near top half of the table level.
In my opinion we needed back up for DCL and we failed to sign it.
If we'd had Josh King today we probably would have created Newcastle miles more problems, but we didn't, once again we had square pegs in round holes and subs coming on that made no difference whatsoever.
I'm loathe to criticise Carlo but today was on him, he knows his players better than anyone and he should know the likes of Sigurdsson, Gomes and Delph should never be on the pitch together at the same time.
He had the option today to give Gordon the run out (he must be doing something awful in training) but he chose again to try and fit players in that don't work.
700 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:34:38
701 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:35:10
702 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:35:31
He does nothing. But the amazing thing is how much of the ball he has to do absolutely nothing. He does an amazing amount of nothing and always makes himself available to do nothing.
I don't know why anyone actually passes to him. You know he's going to look very calm, look very assured, and do nothing.
703 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:35:40
Not one pass seems to go forward.
So much basic stuff not getting right.
704 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:36:01
705 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:36:03
No guts, no leadership, no character - and as said by others (many times) it seems to infect most incoming players. Players generally get worse when they come to Everton, not improve, most performances have the same dour inertia to them.
A serious look is needed at the whole way the team/squad functions.
706 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:36:38
I'm also a new member on the ToffeeWeb site so Hi to you all. I've followed the site for a number of years and enjoy reading all your comments and thought it was time to add my twopennarth, for what it's worth. I don't always agree with everyone but most of the comments are very informative and I hope you will all enjoy mine. Stay safe, ToffeeWebbers.
707 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:36:39
Oh yes does anyone know if the club are doing a dvd for first 3 months of the season. Let me know, I want a copy. Good while it lasted.
Please keep safe all!
708 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:37:24
You nailed it. I ask how many touches did all our players take, 3/4/5 every time adding nothing to our play?
In a nutshell, that's the issue. And Delph is the KING at fucking around and completely destroying positive, forward movement. He's a cancer to our play.
If you're going to fuck around on the ball, please at least do it while driving forward and taking any space offered.
Delph really annoys me. More so than just about any Everton player I can recall.
709 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:37:33
710 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:38:25
Soft pen from a dive, not enough of our players throwing themselves to the ground to earn free kicks or time waste. What has the beautiful game become.
No idea what Ancelotti is doing with Dacoure playing like a 2nd right back or Gomes playing like a left winger in diving boots.
The wheels come off without Richarleson.
711 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:38:27
The lack of pace, energy, creativity and movement up front is terrible. So our defensive player's try to get forward and create.
We revert to being wide open at the back. We should have pressed or sat deep. We did very little of either and looked confused.
You could see Allan asking the bench whats going on, who plays where. That is evidence of poor preparation for a plan b.
As strange as it was poor. We have thrown away our confidence and momentum. Come on Carlo. If we can't play well at least demand they stay solid and get a clean sheet.
712 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:38:36
I'm desperate to see him reproduce what he's done in the U23s but only rare glimpses so far for the first team.
713 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:39:27
714 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:39:38
I said pre-season the hope was Carlo understood the urgency of the situation, that he had one chance to produce a genuine rebuild in the window and produce a courageous, aggressive high tempo team the club has needed for decades. He hasn't done it.
The delusional bollocks that "we have a top first 11" as though the same 11 appear week in week out at other clubs could become his epitaph if this shit continues.
715 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:39:38
716 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:40:26
717 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:40:45
The Everton game, Michael.
To suggest that Gomes (who had a crap game along with every other midfielder) was responsible for that shambles.. is... er... bollocks.
718 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:41:10
Yes. Exactly friend. I couldn't agree more.
And I can't emphasize how much it gets under my skin.
Iwobe, to be fair, drove forward multiple times and is responsible for the DCL goal with a beautiful pass. He has a TON of faults, but he will push forward, take space, and rarely fucks around on the ball.
The much maligned Tom Davies will concede possession, but isn't afraid to play a ball forward.
Give me both of those players, warts and all, before Delph every single time.
719 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:43:12
I don't think it is an overreaction. When most teams are missing a player(s), they look like the same team, slightly compromised in the position(s) of those missing players.
We return to this slow motion, low energy dirge performance, that is neither offensive or defensive - and it has looked basically identical under a handful of different managers. There is no underlying chassis to the team.
Someone said it earlier - it looked like we were playing a final group game in a competition in which we were already out.
Something long term is seriously amiss here.
720 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:43:12
721 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:43:41
722 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:45:14
723 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:47:19
725 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:48:20
726 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:48:42
728 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:49:40
Do you even remember your argument keyboard hardman?
Hes changed the formation and the personnel since my comment and my point was that was the wrong thing to do.
We conceded domination of possession, had more shots to defend and generally looked worse.. youre making my argument for me you cretin.
729 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:51:08
We need to offload Delph, Siggy, and Cenk (never mind Bolasie and Mo) ASAP.
What in the hell is a manager to do with midfielders who think looking this way, switching feet, looking that way, two taps, and 6 full seconds later they get rid of the ball is a good way to play footy?
What I will say is if you put a single player from my list above into the team, we're fine.
When you have Digne, Rich, and James all out at once, you have to play a more aggressive midfield. Delph and Allan should never be allowed in the same line up. Carlo can take some heat for that, and hopefully he understands you can't fill midfield with ponderous players who kill they game simply through their "style" of play. Touch touch, look look, touch touch, look look, pass.
Bernard should have started. Delph should have been on the bench if Allan was in the game. And i'd have played Gordon.
Carlo got some stuff wrong, but it's really the players who should get the criticism in my opinion.
730 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:51:50
How many goals have those two clowns cost us now!
731 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:51:57
732 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:52:50
734 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:55:58
Where is the risk taking?
Where is the freedom?
Where are the forward passes and movement?
All sacrificed on the elusive desire for control. A control that stifles. A control that we don't have the players to deliver.
Don't be a mug like your predecessors Carlo. Give us what we want:- forward thinking, high energy, risk averse football.
736 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:57:09
You cant avoid injuries and suspensions but the for players we are missing, it will cost a lot of money in the transfer window to provide reliable replacement for them when they are injured or suspended. Lots of players are irreplaceable and unfortunately we have four but it is still inexcusable for players who are given the chance not take the opportunity to impress. Arsenal look a better team than UTD..
737 Posted 01/11/2020 at 16:57:48
Sigurdsson on because he was the only dead ball specialist available. None of his dead ball play round a Everton player.
This season has now turned into a transition season, since it obvious that some players are not up to the job. Same old story.
Sigurdsson didn't play one through pass in the final third all game. Did not make one run into the penalty area of have one shot on target.
Kenny did not play one successful cross all game to a attacker. I
Nkounkou had to double back when he played with no runners attacking the near post all game.
Gomes did attempt to play forward passes in the final third, but was easily cut off.
Allan and Docoure' where faced with no players available for a pass except the wings.
Gomes made his usual ill timed tackle in a dangerous area.
Mina got caught on the turn as per usual.
Iowbi was slightly more effective than Bernard.
Tosun was on a mission to nothing, with no final third forward passes.
Need new players introduced who can play a through pass in the final third. Tosun, Simms and Gordon would benefit. I don't know about that a great difference with such a blunt supply. I don't know about the introduction of the latter players in the present regime. .
My immediate advice would be to get in Iseo and get rid of Sigurdsson, the main architect of Silva system as soon as possible.
Every the Commentators side kick was onto the non productive Sigurdsson in the first half.
Newcastle where not that good.
738 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:01:20
Carlo doesn't help himself playing so negatively, that was unforgivable against a team as poor as Newcastle. We started the game with 1 striker enough said. Zero for entertainment.
739 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:01:39
740 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:02:06
Newcastle played a low block with 5 defenders. Even City can sometimes struggle to play through that and we are not them, even when full strength. It's much easier to stop a team playing than to play yourself; Sam, Pulis etc have made careers realising this basic tenet. People seem to want us to zip the ball around, fire forward passes and take men on facing that defensive setup and that's exactly what Bruce wanted because we're not actually good enough to do that and would have been exposed on the break.
Consider this: remove Mane, Salah, Alexander-Arnold and Robertson from Liverpool's lineup, they'd look a lot less effective. OK they could replace Mane with Jota, but he cost £40m - more than our net spend this season (assuming James cost zero). If Carlo had another £40m to spend last summer pretty sure he would have but you can't rebuild a team in one window on a budget.
741 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:02:15
Excellent rhetorical questions.
Today was like the dark days of Roberto - possession for possession's sake.
No intent to drive forward.
That type of football is dreadful.
To use a word from last week that, for me, perfectly sums up and describes this week and last: flaccid.
It has to stop. Three weeks in a row of that and I'll be livid. Carlo better get to work this week.
742 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:02:46
743 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:04:51
744 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:05:58
Well played girls. I wish some of the men's Team could follow your example.
Credit to the Club Ladies.
745 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:06:58
We need more speed in the midfield and another striker. Until we get them in and offload the dross we have its more of the same. Preferably at least one midfielder who chips in with a few goals as well.
But getting rid of these useless bastards isn't going to be easy. They are very comfortable picking up their massive wages whilst producing zero productivity. Criminal!!!
746 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:07:51
747 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:08:05
748 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:08:12
749 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:08:59
750 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:10:45
That was a very ordinary team that beat us today. Even the team that was picked should have been good enough to win. That defeat is down to Carlo and the 'solid' players.
Hope to see James & Olsen in next week's team.
751 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:11:53
752 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:13:41
753 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:14:43
Carlo played the attritional game today and lost. A good portion of blame lies at his feet I think, despite the missing players.
Are people finally realising that Gomes does not belong on a pedestal? Decent touch and fantastic hair have elevated him above his actual talent level.
It all feels horribly familiar and with Richarlison still out next week Id be surprised if we manage to turn over Man United. Mid-table beckons once more.
754 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:14:47
Fought like tigers all over the pitch.
Never gave up even when trailing.
Lady Luck just not smiling on them.
Pity Man City added a third at the death to give them a flattering scoreline.
Or am I on the wrong thread..?
755 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:15:35
756 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:16:40
757 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:16:59
758 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:17:11
759 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:17:39
760 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:19:34
761 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:19:43
762 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:21:05
I agree with you re. the blocking structure. It's a fact this has become more a part of football too, even by more attacking teams when on the back foot, causing even offensively-capable teams some work.
My point with Everton however - we didn't even look like a team at least fighting to break, disturb or overcome that set up. We were totally slow, flat, over careful, unimaginative. There's no switching in play, no change of pace, no real running (on or off the ball).
Any slick combinations of a few games back - gone. Nothing tried. There looks to be a complete lack of drive, enthusiasm that goes beyond the actual players involved.
We really shouldn't be so deeply affected by missing personnel.
763 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:21:07
764 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:24:07
Delph may not be a holding midfielder but when he has played there we have been at our strongest defensively. He should have been the sole pivot.
Allan played some lovely little balls forward on occasions but he is playing way too deep to have an effect and is poor at protecting the defence.
Gomes likewise is a creative force from deep with his intelligent passing but Carlo fancies him as the next Richarlison, bizarre.
Doucoure is the only midfielder to have the legs to get beyond the frontman and is essentially box to box but Carlo plays him as a sitter as well despite another whose weakness is defending.
Today we had no goal threat or striking options so Siggy should have been the one moved forward alongside Dominic to get him closer to the goal if Carlo really doesn't rate Gordon.
Bizarre set up equals poor result
765 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:24:12
766 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:25:39
767 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:30:05
768 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:30:49
769 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:31:13
Remember Nani's red card in the CL for United a few years back. Awareness needed. Especially in your own area.
770 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:31:19
772 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:32:38
773 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:33:23
774 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:33:58
Bit surprised Allan is getting some proper stick. I thought he tried to get things going through the middle but too many times found it coming back to him for no good reason at all. One thing he got wrong, like others did today, was trying to nick balls from the wrong side rather than electing to take up a good defensive position on the goalside and simply force Newcastle to retreat.
Kevin Dyer, JJK has performed like that every game hes had since he came back. He seems to have lost a yard of pace which really doesnt help when hes needed to get beyond his oppo to deliver the crosses he is capable of.
Talk of lack of strength in depth or Newcastle parking the bus are missing the point. We were flat, ponderous and far too conservative in our play against a poor side. Southampton are miles better than Newcastle (and us as well going on the last 2 performances).
Penalty was a bit soft but if you allow someone on the blindside to get a leg in front and then kick it then you will get penalised. Gomes is still failing to grasp the lack of time he will be given in this league. You cant afford to wait for the ball to arrive, you have to be on your toes and moving to meet the ball as soon as possible.
775 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:36:00
We have yet to win a match without Richarlison since his arrival in 2018. For those yet to be convinced, that statistic serves to emphasise his importance to our team. It was a frustrating afternoon.
With Manchester United our next opponents the challenge for Carlo is to find a way of stopping the rot. As others have said we need pace in the team. The only option we have in that regard for next weekend is Gordon.
777 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:40:31
Injuries aside, this was bad. There wasn't a spark of creativity, pace or most worryingly fight, well until injury time. The initial excitement rendered by our early start is rapidly turning into a dread of performances past.
There is a lot of justifiable criticism of Gomes but where is he supposed to be playing? What is he? Is he a Ronaldo or a Peter Reid?
It's a big game next week, a game we must win to get 'back in the groove' as it were. Richarlison and Coleman can't come back quick enough. Oh please Everton, don't let us down again!!
778 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:40:45
779 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:42:09
780 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:42:31
781 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:43:18
Gomes, Kenny, Sigurdsson and Iwobi just arent up to scratch. Replace these 4 with decent, hardworking players and we still might have a chance of doing something this season.
782 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:44:49
783 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:45:38
We can dress this up whichever way we want, but for the second week running we have been comfortably been seen off by an inferior group of players.
Unfortunately Carlo has not been fantastico for years, but I never thought I'd see the day when Cushion Face would do him with a string of journeymen.
Why are our fans always so quick to hand out the accolades and bouquets before we do anything of note ? It always comes back to bite us on the arse
Sad day. Not because we lost, but because once again we have lost in an inexcusable manner.
784 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:46:30
Andre Gomes is finished. Hes a disgrace. Im bored of watching that lazy bastard swing lazy legs out costing us foul after four after foul. Its not on. Post injury hes not the same player. Fuck him off. Mina can take to the bench now Holgate is back too, no excuse to constantly drift so high when you know you have no pace to get back. Stick to your strengths and defence the box. Holgates pace is a huge help at the back.
Richarlison has a lot to answer for as well the petulant little fucker. He needs to grow up because hes as much at fault for the last 2 defeats as anyone, for not being available when fit. Without him we are toothless. Its painfully obvious that our first 11 with Coleman, Digne, James and Richarlison is a match for anyone and wed maul Southampton and Newcastle with them but our options are horrific. The squad depth is shite and no where near top 6 let alone 4.
Kenny is dreadful, slow and clumsy and he couldnt cross the road let along a ball, he needs to go back to Shalke ASAP its his level. Iwobi is as bad as it gets, Bernard is a hobbit and offers nowt, Gomes is finished slow and lazy. We need to beef the squad up in January and players like Isco would be a start but we need pace through the middle and out wide. Speed kills and we must be one of the slowest teams in the league. Only DCL and Richarlison have genuine pace. Its just not enough. Bizarre decision to not replace Kean as well. Very very poor decision and were paying the price now. We could be 3 defeats on the bounce by the time Richarlison is back and 3 games that were very very winnable.
Lastly, Ive read Carlo has already said Pickford is started v Utd which is mind blowing considering the performance Olson just put in. Solid, big and commanding. He was superb and Pickford is as out of form as a keeper can get.
That defeat was carlos fault for the shite selection, piss poor formation and the even worse subs. Granted its not like him and his best players are out but I cant help but think that Gordon starting in place of Gomes and DCL with support in a 442 and wed have beat Newcastle even with a depleted team.
Lets hope he learns from it and keeps Pickford on the bench as we welcome back Coleman, digne and Hamez before Richarlison.
785 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:47:58
Due to injury and suspension he had to go with his two underplayed second string full-backs. Having decided on 'resting' Pickford for Olsen, he wasn't going to shake up the centre back pairing as well.
Picking Delph alongside Doucoure and Allan stiffened the midfield with the obvious tactic of Delph and Doucoure covering for JJK and Nkoukou as they attempted to be involved further forward with Allan playing a more advanced transitional role.
Unfortunately, the home side out of possession were happy to surrender territory and just choke the space in their defensive half. A horrible watch.
Without the inventive guile of James or the pace and aggressiveness of Richarlison there was no-one in Blue to carry the game to the Barcodes, run at them or open them up to break their rigid lines.
It strikes me that many in this thread have assessed the likes of Siggy and Gomes on their preconceived notions of them - good and bad - rather than how they acutally played today.
For me, Gomes was poor in an admittedly unfamiliar position, a kind of further forward wide left midfielder. Siggy was considerably better than a few call it. To suggest that the Iceman is incapable of seeing or playing the kind of incisive, insightful passes that Gomes has in his locker as suggested by some is to seriously misread the capacities of both players.
The most consistently inventive player in Blue today was Allan. Whether Carlo was bold or wreckless in his substitutions is open to question. All 3 were forward thinking, sacrificing both starting full-backs and the most ineffective midfielder (who had given up what appeared a really soft penalty).
Mina's poor alertness - stopping to challenge Fraser rather than keeping goalside of him to prevent him having a free run on goal - put paid to any comeback hopes, although DCL's goal from Iwobi's pass gave us fleeting hope. And even their 2nd goal was laced with luck how it looped up from the lunging Mina to give Wilson a tap in beyond Olsen and Keane.
Of the subs, did Tosun even touch the ball? Bernard continues to offer very little when he enters the fray. Iwobi actually had a couple of very incisive plays which again, based on preconceived notions of the players, many have seemingly ignored.
Could the pace of Anthony Gordon have been a better option than Gomes? The high-energy, quick transition and forward passing of Tom Davies a better option than Delph? The first alternative didn't get the nod from the bench. The second didn't even make the bench so we'll never know.
Hopefully Digne and James can return next week. But our understudies are not making a case for themselves to claim a starting berth based on the last two games.
786 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:51:09
Holgate Keane Branthwaite Digne
Gordon Doucoure Allan Bernard
787 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:52:04
788 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:52:35
How many players first touch took them forward? How many played at near walking pace? It was about courage, and those charged with advancing the ball, they had none.
Sigurdsson frequently had Kenny outside him, his passes were lazy, often poorly weighted and forced the full back to check back or readjust.
To sum his lack of bravery up. Last minute, one last corner to salvage an unexpected point and he floats the corner in, famed for his set piece prowess and he hangs it up.
789 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:53:46
Kenny really is neither here nor there as a player - an okay backup, nothing more. And while Nkounkou is a bright and exciting prospect, those writing Digne's obituary this week were a tad premature, I think.
Delph is a tidy player, but offers no creativity. Gomes was lackluster again. I'm not sure why more of the attack wasn't going through Doucoure. Sigurdsson looked semi-lively around the box, but offered no meaningful link-up between the midfield and Calvert-Lewin. Olsen looked the part - a couple good saves and offered that stoic, calming presence people have been craving. But two goals conceded in five of seven league matches this season? No way is that good enough.
790 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:53:47
However, we feel the loss of Richie most of all because (outside of DCL) he is our main goal threat. Lose either of those two and were half the team. We lack teeth completely. Letting Kean go with no replacement was a very poor decision.
We need to find more goals from around the team. Sigurdsson isnt prolific (one decent season), Gomes/Iwobi/Bernard dont offer any real threat. Doucoure is needed in the engine room.
Maybe Tosun can help, maybe Simms can come through this year, maybe Gordon is just a spring being loaded by Carlo but they are very BIG maybes. We MUST find ‘goals in January - ideally from the right hand side in order to allow James to go into a 10 where hell hopefully add even more threat.
Outside of that, I think the other big problem is unfortunately Big Yerry. He should be battling Keane for the ‘strong in the air slot, not playing next to him. The team needs more pace there, so either Holgate or Godfrey need to come in and get a run.
Hopefully just one more game without Richie. fingers crossed!
791 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:55:03
792 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:57:15
Tom should have played as should Gordon to inject some youthful energy into the team. Why not give Simms a go from the bench rather than Tosun? Why mess up the team by removing the full backs?
Some strange decisions by Carlo today which took me back to post lockdown games last season.
793 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:58:26
794 Posted 01/11/2020 at 17:58:54
796 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:02:22
797 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:07:08
The inexcusable being justified on here.
798 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:07:10
799 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:08:35
The decision should have been a free kick to Everton. If you're going to win a penalty for this sort of thing then why bother trying to block the ball, just dangle your leg between ball and opposition player.
A much more obvious penalty was the foul on DCL late in the game when he was dragged to the floor to be prevented from getting involved in a cross into the 6 yard box. But no, VAR was obviously switched off at that point. And of course, in our true tradition of playing to the Corinthian spirit of the game, we didn't bother clamouring for the VAR official to turn his screen back on and take a look.
When we were winning things in the 80s, we were doing so not just because we had very good players, a great system of playing, a tactically astute manager and a great team spirit -- it was also because we were a narky shower of bastards who kept on at the ref even when he was favouring us. Nice, gentlemanly teams never win a thing.
800 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:08:44
It seemed like a whole safety first, wait for a gap to appear affair - not likely the way Newcastle sat. If there's nothing happening out wide, then someone has to change pace, move forwards, pass players, change the shape. No risk, no reward.
Not like it wasn't possible - the latter part of the game finally showed that, and DCL scored.
No drive, no spirit, no belief - a lacklustre mentality, for me.
801 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:10:05
802 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:10:35
803 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:12:48
Without Coleman, Digne, James, Holgate & Richarlison we're ordinary. But most teams in the Premier League would struggle without five of their first choice players. Only Citteh and possibly the Shite have the kind of strength in depth in their squad to overcome injuries and suspensions like ours.
804 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:15:52
805 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:23:03
806 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:27:21
Credit to DCL though for an excellent instinctive finish. Carlo could have had Gordon and Nkounkou linking on the left to provide a genuine threat and goalscoring opportunities for DCL, so I'm afraid this fiasco is down to him.
I thought he would have learned from the Southampton mistakes instead of doubling up on them with Gomes, Sigurdsson and Delph starting. To give Sigurdsson the captaincy is an absolute insult.
Old Everton selection = old Everton results. Three on the bounce next week and back to our old familiar position for Christmas.
PS Great anticipation by the mods suspending the Live Forum in anticipation of the result, thereby avoiding placing the NHS under huge additional strain from coronary and stroke call-outs.
807 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:27:26
But the fact is, Liverpool bring on Jota, Everton bring on Bernard.
Our first 11 can compete with anyone, our second 12-18 are relegation fodder.
There in lies the problem
808 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:27:31
809 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:29:18
The sideways - backwards - sideways - pass the ball in to touch - backwards sideways game we were watching from Delph, Sig, Gomes, JJK was painful to behold. At one point I thought I will count the number of consecutive forward passes we completed and gave up at two (eventually) after a few minutes.
The substitutions, I agree with most on here, were bizarre but I would just have a quiet shout for Bernard who I did not think was quite as abject as people are making out. As usual he lost the ball a couple of times and ran into trouble but he did seem to make a difference to our energy levels with his busyness, and set up a couple of crossing attempts.
Quite why we can't start playing the way we did for the last 10 minutes about an hour earlier I just don't know. Is it fear? A lack of drive? Under instruction? Anyones's guess. Pleased at least that DCL scored to help my Fantasy Team but all said and done another bad day at the office. The ladies can feel proud after their effort against ManC this afternoon unlike their male counterparts.
So - Man U, and lockdown to look forward to.
Someone's God please give me strength.
810 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:33:23
811 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:34:37
We want to be a big club, that's why we have appointed Carlo Ancelotti but we still find it hard to kick old habits.
We still go out in my opinion to stifle mediocre opponents instead of just throwing caution to the wind and letting them worry about us, that should be the case regardless who we put on the pitch, that's what the top clubs are like.
I personally hate the two holding midfielders thing we have rigidly stuck to since the David Moyes era, when it doesn't keep clean sheets then it has little value and lately to us it's overloaded us with a lack of creativity.
Be bold Everton or be prepared to stand still wearing a slightly shinier coat than normal.
812 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:34:54
he never takes risks, Simms, Gordon etc, the point is though he is taking massive risks by constantly picking the same failures over and over,as the last 2 games and most of the post lockdown games have proven.
813 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:35:16
It will be very interesting to see how the team is set up versus United. I think Mina will drop to the bench, especially if Holgate and/or Godfrey are available. Digne will come back in also. Would want Holgate ahead of JJK if available. Gordon needs to be started ahead of either slow coach. I cannot understand the tactic of saying that Pickford will start against Utd before seeing how Olsen did today? It may be a kick up the arse for Jordan to be dropped but what does it do for Olsen to know he could be the second coming of Big Nev and it wouldn't mean he'd get a run in the team?
814 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:38:23
815 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:42:04
We had all the goalkeepers available for selection.
We had the two center halves we paid 60m quid for. We had a left back who had been deemed a wonder signing.
We had Siggy and Gomes playing who cost us 70m.
We also had the "New Reid and Bracewell" in the middle of the park.
In front of that lot we had The leagues highest scorer.
Digne. Seamus and James didnt play up there at Christmas, but we still won comfortably So why is their absence the reason we lost this time ?
These excuses just rub salt into the wounds after such a painful defeat
816 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:45:11
817 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:46:19
Im not excusing today but we were missing our three best players and of course that is likely to make a difference. The others (and Carlo) should have done better though.
818 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:47:16
819 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:48:26
Today the 1st team was going through the motions in hope mor than belief and desire.
The sad facts is this is the worst Toon side in a long time, and Yet Everton played as if they were playing a European top team.
Seriously big week and a big game next week. Next week we need a different game plan. The spark has gone out for sure and I cant seen where the spark to reignite will come from. I hope Anthony Gordon, starts next week, but we are playing too pedestrian and the opponents can walk to press out attacks as they are so slow.
Very few positives but the GK, looks safe, but next week, the team needs some spark and confidence and believe Everton, can win.
Next week Id stick with Olsen, but lets see what Carlo does.
820 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:49:08
821 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:49:17
822 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:53:25
Newcastle are a terrible side and even with our depleted squad we should be beating them. As soon as the team was named you thought, hang on a minute, were are the goals coming from here 1-0 down and were still strolling round the pitch playing backwards and sideways passes.
Complete and utter dross that. No lessons learnt from last week, we should have been at them from minute one. It wasn't until the 6th minute of injury time when we actually decided to have a go.
Unacceptable piss poor showing that, could of easily fell asleep watching that rubbish.
823 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:53:51
Olsson made a good stop in the 1st half. We looked in control of the game. 2nd half I thought Gomes or Gylfi might have been hooked to make way for Gordon or Iwobi. We started in a similar fashion. Again no pace. Very little threat where it matters. We gave away a soft pen and it looked like we would struggle to get level.
I don't agree with those that would radically alter the team. I think Ancelotti has enough experience to know his players and put the best 11 on the pitch. There are very few teams in europe that would play well without their captain, playmaker, best player with assists and a 2nd striker of Richarlison's quality.
The next two matches will show whether the wins earlier were against poor opponents. A big test against Utd next. If we win I can see us picking a good few points up between then and Christmas.
The squad players will be told to up their game by Ancelotti. If they cant it will be arriverderci. UTFT
824 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:55:57
Of course, well do a lot better when Richarlison and James are back but, in the long run, nothing will change and the club remains in sinking sand.
825 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:57:55
826 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:58:25
Our players need to get some intelligence. It's obvious that VAR and the refs are kicking themselves over the Henderson Derby fuck up and have every intention of equalling things out against Us.
Pathetic display today and now it's hard to see where any points will come in next 4 games. Utd home Fulham Burnley away then Leeds at home. Going to be a bleak long lockdown watching Everton revert to type.
Football Genius Carlo gets schooled by Steve fucking Bruce. You couldn't make it up.
827 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:58:56
828 Posted 01/11/2020 at 18:59:20
829 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:01:35
I will defend Delph in that he didn't have space or passing options to drive forward. Siggy started to have a few shots instead of attempting the impossible through ball.
I'm not criticising Nkounkou but I wanted him to be busier. To be a nieve young full back that simply wants to get forward and attack. He actually played sensibly in not wanting to neglect his defensive duties. This is a positive for the near future. Just needs more experience and understanding of when to attack or not.
Good to see Tosun has recovered. Olsen given a chance. Hopefully answered a few Carlo Q's about personal and trust.
830 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:01:51
We were missing our supply line today. No Digne, Coleman, Richarlison or Rodriguez means no service to DCL. Its not rocket science.
Instead of them, we had 2 rookie full backs playing (both good prospects but not yet at the level of the players missing). The manager clearly has no faith in Bernard and Iwobi, so he tried to keep it tight and played Gomes and Sigurdsson in a narrow midfield. This plan was undone by a soft penalty award, so the manager then had to turn to Iwobi, Bernard, Tosun etc to no avail.
In any case, I would suggest Gomes, Sigurdsson, Bernard and Tosun are finished at Premier League level (Iwobi did at least offer something when he came on.) Theyll all eventually get moved to the States, or Turkey, or Portugal or whatever.
You cant polish a turd. Our fringe players are either shite or raw. The manager is showing the board that we need reinforcement.
831 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:07:38
Ancelotti was fully aware of who would be unfit for the weekend so where was the game plan for the weekend game. I could round up 5 part time amateurs to pass to each other side to side and backwards , why cant we have expensive professionals be given a plan that doesn't allow the opposition to stand back and wait for the mistake when they try to go forward. Yes we had top players missing, but we replaced them with professional footballers, who most have been playing since they were in 12 and under. Not as gifted as who they were replacing but surely over the years they have learned the KISS method.
A good manager should be able to get the best out of what he has and not always rely on help from the transfer window, and Ancelotti should take most of the blame for the last 2 games.
Loose next week and that will mean we will have earned 1 point from a possible 12 and that is not a top 6 performance.
832 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:11:01
Hope nothing is up.
833 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:16:41
All we can do is hope, as we always do, that the slump can be corrected sooner rather than later.
834 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:17:52
A good analysis of what happened and what should have happened.
835 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:22:31
James, while brilliant, is brittle and could be out at any stage. We have no decent backup.
Richarlison will always be targeted and will inevitably be sent off or injured again this season. We have no decent backup.
We rely on DCL for goals. We have no decent backup.
Digne. as we saw today, no decent backup.
Luckily Olson is decent backup. He's going to be needed. But even he can't save this lot.
836 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:34:40
Maybe it was because he didn't score when he went up front for the injury time corner? Yeah, that must be the reason Carlo is dropping him for the Man U game.
837 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:38:39
We nearly had it with Bobby bringing in or promoting Rom, Geri, McCarthy, Barkley and Stones. With the requisite dough to replace the entire old guard things might be very different now.
Thing is Carlo is a good manager but no revolutionary and like his predecessors will not be able to polish a turd.
838 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:41:35
839 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:44:12
840 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:45:57
841 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:46:27
842 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:47:36
843 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:48:51
Amazing how many times Delph did not pass the ball to Nkounkou when there was a clear opportunity to do so and plenty of grass in front of the young man.
Overall, we were poor and this result as well as last weeks shows we are very much lacking quality, game changers when required.
Utd next week, who knows?
844 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:53:03
845 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:53:22
846 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:53:29
I think we will beat Utd next week if James plays and if we do we will be off again with Richie back for the game after.
847 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:56:21
848 Posted 01/11/2020 at 19:57:56
850 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:02:43
His distribution was neat and tidy, no miscues with his central defenders.
That would be a harsh if he was dropped.
851 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:03:06
Ffs what were you watching?
On second thoughts the passing along the back line or from the backline to the defensive midfielder and then back along the back line left to right, then right to left, and then back to the keeper and then left to right getting the idea yet?
Any passing in the final third was abysmal, as was the overall performance, four players missng or not.
Newcastle are/were woeful and couldn't believe their luck at how poor Everton were.
Sometimes woe is me is justified because that today was absolutely awful.
And coulda woulda shoulda gets you no points at all.
852 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:03:24
853 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:03:42
Exactly, Delph didnt slow it down he was waiting for someone to make a move but they were all stationery
854 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:04:00
If you're going to play two sitting midfielders then one of the them has to be able to move the ball forward.
Allan and Delph are a pair of tackling crabs
855 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:05:38
I thought he was trying to put incisive passes in for DCL in the first half but as his poor fitness was exposed, he started to cost us in the second.
Siggy came into it more as the game slowed but his pathetic little backwards passes to Delph or Keane epitomised our team's lack of endeavour.
Such a lot of pocing about between the backs and midfield making the possession stats seem like we were bossing the game! A joke selection and a lazy gormless display. We better beat the Mancs next week.
856 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:06:49
The last two games have highlighted our shortcomings, but we knew they were there at the end of the transfer window, so we should not not be too traumatised when they manifest themselves.
There is always plenty of chat about our worst and best ever players, but I would put forward Fabian Delph as our most boring. How I hate that stylish twirl on the ball followed by the backwards pass.
857 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:07:47
858 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:08:43
859 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:09:09
The team was set up to get a draw from the off in both matches.
The side picked for this game is worse than anything weve seen under the previous four managers, and trying to get a point away from home is very old school thinking.
It wasnt even a case of trying to nick it with counter attacking as they were sat deep as well, and we never picked the quick players needed to execute any countering opportunities.
The players were awful, but I dont think they knew what they were supposed to be doing.
860 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:09:13
861 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:09:18
Pickford is a total liability and the stats prove he is the worst in the division.
Olson was one of our few players to come out of the game with any credit.
862 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:14:19
We had no one to get past their backline, no one making any movements and still we stuck with the same personnels until the game was dead and buried.
863 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:17:26
Today was all about how we we're gonna react after the poor result and performance last week. And we never saw one. Flat from the first whistle to last. Against a poor side which let's be honest they are. We couldn't get a shot away in the first half. Shows how much we miss James, Richarlison, Digne and Coleman. Olsen and Calvert Lewin only players who played well.
The likes of Iwobi, Bernard and Sigurdsson have all blown their chances to come in and show Ancelotti they can be there when one of James or Richarlison are out. A combination of 83 million on Iwobi, Sigurdsson and Delph. Shocking recruitment.
The fact we still also have Tosun at the club too says it all. We offer big wages and contracts to players who are not arsed in the slightest. And also Jonjoe Kenny is NOT a replacement for Coleman.
Heard some fans say this week that Yerry Mina is our best centre back. If thats the case to them. We are in a lot of trouble than I even thought we are. Man is clueless majority of the time. Holgate or even Godfrey start before him in my eyes.
Another poor performance.
864 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:18:03
865 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:21:12
So Im being honest and saying it as, as I see it and you have your view, which is fine.
The Geordies, know their football like we Evertonians do.
Newcastle are poor this season, Everton, a month ago would have won today. But the squad devoid of its best players has shown the limits of this squads strength in depth.
Today overall the Everton team, didnt have the belief to win this game. Theres no excuses today, to lose in that manner, but its a work in progress and we are still third, which all considered is better than expected.
This performance today for me, the positives are Olsen and DCL, in the goals again.
But next Saturday lets see if the squad, can get motivated and play better, and get a victory.
866 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:22:55
Regarding Jordan he now knows he HAS to eradicate his errors because Olsen today looked like a top international goalkeeper.
867 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:30:30
Delph is Delph, a very poor man's Gareth Barry.
Sigurdsson was ok until his legs turned to jelly about a year ago and he's finished as a Premier League top performer.
Allan you'd think will be at his best when Doucoure improves his levels and James and Richarlison are back fit but Allan without those players at a high level is pretty much a very limited effect player, not creative and isn't going to offer anything going forward.
How we somehow managed to go from having about twenty quality wingers under Bobby Martinez to now currently not possessing a single genuine winger that can comfortably hit the byline, work that one out!
868 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:33:29
Those picked today didn't seem to have clue what to do. Perhaps they looked up, saw DCL marked by 2 centre backs and nobody else up front and fearfull of giving away cheap possession push left or right.
Not enough attacking options until the dying embers of the game.
We need to have confidence that we can win without just giving it to James or Richie.
And Don, our red cousins have managed to win without various players, but none of their kids or older players are afraid to run forwards or play an early ball. God knows what these were told to do today?
869 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:37:54
870 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:45:23
So what's all this talk of Carlo going back to Pickford next week ? Is he trying to destroy the confidence of both players because he's seen Mariniho play those games at so-called top clubs ?
Strikes me our manager is already out of his depth and has a 'butterfly' approach to team selection. He won't last long at this rate ! None of them do.
871 Posted 01/11/2020 at 20:56:59
872 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:08:32
Best comment on the thread. How would Liverpool cope without Robertson, Trent, Mane and Salah?
Carlos not a magician. No manager is. Theres an illness at Everton at the moment (and at some other clubs) where the fault always lies with the manager. The heat is never on the players. They can turn up, do fuck all, earn a fortune and they get a free pass. They can even do it under several managers and it will never be their fault.
The focus today should be on our creative players who were missing in action. Are Gomes and Sigurdsson capable of passing the ball? Yes. Are they capable of passing it forward? Yes. Well why did they either give it away, or lay it off backwards or sideways every time they received the ball? They were both playing behind the striker!!
Bernard came on, what did he do to justify his wage? At least Iwobi got on the ball a bit and created a goal - he stepped up this time.
The players I have mentioned have all been in and out of the team under Carlo. They should be fighting for their places, but they are going through the motions.
Blame the manager. Blame the tactics. I know who I blame - the shithouses who go missing every time we play away from home. The same shithouses who have done the same thing for 3/4 managers now. The same ones who shit themselves every time we play a top 6 team.
Well be ok again once we get Digne, Coleman, Rodriguez and Richarlison back in the team. Until they do come back, God help us...
873 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:09:54
874 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:17:15
Kenny is never going to make it. It was quite apparent immediately that nearly all of our attacking intent was down the left via Nkounkou.
Ancelotti has had almost a year now and we should be expecting better. The first eleven is fine but theres absolutely nothing below that. I honestly believe we have the weakest level of players outside of the first eleven. The squad strength is woeful.
875 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:20:52
I don't think anyone is naive enough to expect that with a couple of special players missing, we would just carry on as if they hadn't been missed at all. What we do expect is those who have been given a starting berth, or coming off the bench even, put a decent shift in.
Instead what did we see? a bunch of highly paid spineless, clueless, rudderless dickheads going through the motions as if it was a friendly or Testimonial where the result didn't really matter. They didn't even look like they had ever trained together before.
Who do we play next? Manure! Who seem to be getting their act together better than we have. God help us, but at least we have a couple back.
876 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:29:15
877 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:31:01
More unfortunately still, Richarlison might end up leaving before them.
Perhaps weirdest of all, Bolasie might just have made a positive difference today.
First 11 very strong, but not much depth. How close are Simms and Dobbin to first team appearances?
878 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:40:16
880 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:51:02
881 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:56:14
882 Posted 01/11/2020 at 21:57:26
That's the enormity of the clearout and the job Ancelotti and Brands have. I suspect in two seasons times none of those lot will be at the club. Some we'll receive offers for others will run down there contracts.
We'll need to be patient but ultimately be summer 2022 Carlo will have all his own players.
883 Posted 01/11/2020 at 22:17:26
Kunal, I don't believe that Moshiri will finance replacing all of those donkeys.
884 Posted 01/11/2020 at 22:19:04
885 Posted 01/11/2020 at 22:21:56
The only thing I thought he could bring was a few renowned players, which he has, but still no pace. I was worried about some of the lifeless, lacklustre displays last season which suggests a flatness and lack of motivation from the management.
Hes famed for being liked by players, he makes things easy and comfortable for them. Hes had success with mega clubs where he could put a swathe of superstar/winners on the field and let them get on with it. Ive seen nothing to suggest he can shape a team like ours. No way would you get two displays like them under a manager like Klopp or Bielsa.
886 Posted 01/11/2020 at 22:41:14
887 Posted 01/11/2020 at 22:56:01
888 Posted 01/11/2020 at 23:10:38
Iwobi stunk the place out at Saints but IMO he did more than both Gomes and Sigurdsson in the minutes he came on, putting a good ball into the box, before making a similar pass that found DCL for the goal. He's clearly not the long term answer but I think he'd offer a lot more centrally and would do better than Gomes or Sigurdsson.
I am glad we dropped Pickford. With or without the Newcastle fans in the ground. This was the kind of game where he'd lose his head and have a brain fart. Olsen looked assured and he'll no doubt be getting more games this season.
A very depressing game and it's clear that we're a very different side when Richarlison, James and our 1st choice fullbacks are missing. We have the same fragility at the back but offer very little going forward.
889 Posted 01/11/2020 at 23:11:13
Just watching MOTD2 and none of our October goals feature in Goal of the Month.
Just because players at other clubs can be confident and skilled enough to lash in a screamer or two, or confident and skilled enough to create an accurate passing/running chance for an accomplished finish doesn't mean our dead-ball-mainly scrambled goal approach is worthy of the typical media derision does it?
Just asking, for a friend.
890 Posted 01/11/2020 at 23:15:04
We are 3rd. We are in the 1/4 final of a cup.
Of the 14 players on the pitch today, only 4 were Ancelotti signings, the other 10 weren't. Those 10 haven't really covered themselves in glory previously, have they?
I am not blindly defending Ancelotti, he has made mistakes in my opinion, what manager hasn't?
However, we are miles better, overall, with him in charge than we have been for a long long time.
Plus, no Coleman, no Richarlison, no Digne, no James, no Holgate. Any team would struggled with 5 nailed on regulars not available.
Long term injuries to Tosun, Gbamin and 3 right backs not available last game.
Add the media witch hunt to all of this, and yes, we have dropped off.
The man appears to know what he is doing - we are going in the right direction, we have a great 1st team, but not a great squad - that, as most know, will take a few windows to sort out. Many managers, many players. many systems have been rolled out with these players.
Ancelotti is a good manager, he has improved us massively, but he is just a manager, he cannot change things overnight. If he was here just for the money, why not just go to China or America.
We are better for him being here and the players he has attracted.
Koeman, Silva, Allardyce or Ancelotti ?
No brainer really, for me at least!
He'll sort it.
891 Posted 01/11/2020 at 23:30:00
892 Posted 01/11/2020 at 23:41:38
893 Posted 01/11/2020 at 23:45:48
Unfortunately not! My sports were boxing and kickboxing, but at near 50, not any more! Sill keep the training up though! Played in the Zingari league as a teenage keeper, must have been the shortest there at 5'10. But my sporting achievements are modest! Hey ho!
894 Posted 01/11/2020 at 23:55:03
895 Posted 01/11/2020 at 00:05:32
My son messaged me when the team was announced to say he literally had no idea what the plan was for the game. Unfortunately, it appears the players didn't either. Ancelotti had a shocker.
896 Posted 01/11/2020 at 00:05:59
My Name is Fred and I'm an evertonian, help.
We are still 3rd after 7 games with the mighty Man U 8 points behind us and City, Arsenal and Chelsea still below us.
On the other hand like most posters I an concerned about Carlos tactics and team selection in the last 2 games.
Our strength has been the interplay between the full backs and the wide players where we have been able to open up the "park the bus merchants" that we always seem to have a problem with.
One of our weaknesses has been the lack of goalscorers in the team apart from Richy and DCL.
James was part of that solution and Siggy used to be that man.
The only other player I can think of who could help with that is Gordon and I cant understand why Carlo is so reluctant to give him a game.
I felt it was right to play a strong MF today but go 4-4-2 with Gordon and DCL up front and with Nkoukou and JJK overlapping.
We need at least 2 upront to pressure their defence and keep the game up the pitch.
With only one up front they can pick out the long pass and hit on the break like they did for Mina's own goal.
I thought Gomes in particular had a 'mare again today and just couldnt string the game together.
Likewise Doucoure is supposed to be box to box which doesnt mean the 6 yard box to the halfway line.
Last week we didnt show up but today we should have won that game comfortably but just couldnt impose ourselves on the game due to tactics and poor players.
If we can just get a second wind till January and then clear the decks and get some proper quality in we stand a chance.
If we don't then it will be another 7th or 8th position if we are lucky..
The only good things coming out of today were Olsons performance, Keans continuing improvement and DCL's sniffing out of chances.
897 Posted 01/11/2020 at 00:10:36
Gomes, Siggy and Delph were poor today.
If fit I would play the following against Utd.
I would like to see Gordon used as a second striker. I think he has what it takes to be a poacher in the box. He also would worry the life out of Maguire and Lindelof.
898 Posted 02/11/2020 at 00:18:45
Drop this guy now and it will hit his confidence, while at the same time saying Pickford will still walk back in the team, very poor management if Pickford comes back in after only one game dropped.
Be interesting to have a poll who should be in goal for the utd game.
P.s Lyndon, you have Pickford in the starting 11 and on the bench as well in the lineups.
899 Posted 01/11/2020 at 00:23:40
And if we dont add players in January we wont get to Europe as suspensions and injurys inevitably happen. I heard Zaha or Isco are being targeted.
The positive of the game: Nkonkou; great young talent there.
Yes, we rely too much on Richarlison, but he will probably be learning with this he doesnt have to do that again. I still have faith in this season, no matter what is said here.
900 Posted 01/11/2020 at 00:27:27
He knew Newcastle will play low blocks defensively and counter attack with Saint-Maximin, who has both pace and size, together with Almiron and Wilson. Without James and Rich it would be difficult to unlock their defence. Also, knowing that our defenders are slow, Doucoure and Allan cannot go too far up when attacking in case of losing possession. We probably go for a clean sheet and wait for set-pieces opportunities. I would say the 1st half went on as planned.
This is the kind of game which team score first would win. The penalty was a joke. I think Gomes should not stand still but approach the ball and clear with a header. From that point onwards is a cat and mouse game. If you don't put more attackers in, you're gutless and get slammed. The moment you put more players upfront the higher chance you get countered which was the case.
So I don't think Carlo is tactically outwitted. He made a bold change to replace Pickford. It all comes down to players quality, plan execution and luck of course.
Playerswise, Gomes is not in form. He passes the ball behind Nkoukou when he was making a run. The weight of the passes is also inaccurate. Siggy is better than him at the moment. He had a few shot attempts which was not far away. Last week his shot hit the crossbar. The goal will come if he keeps trying. Iwobi, too inconsistent. Bernard did alright. He would perform better if Digne was playing instead of Delph.
We are still a few players short to be a real contender of top 6.
901 Posted 02/11/2020 at 00:40:17
They've got better cover players, because they're further ahead with 'the project'. We're all disappointed, but let's get the Man U game out of the way and hopefully get a few bodies back.
My concern is Gomes who looks like the injury has finished him.
902 Posted 02/11/2020 at 00:44:53
Is there a case for a back three of
Holgate Godfrey Branthwaite, eventually. Two fast, exciting wing backs, Allan Doucoure in midfield, James and Richarlison supporting DCL up front.
Gives James and Richarlison a license to roam with DCL staying central.
Its easy in Football Manager though isnt it?
903 Posted 02/11/2020 at 01:13:45
Don't have a clue on what the Ancelotti approach is on Pickford. Olsen played very well and has further muddied the waters, which was utterly predictable really.
The rest of the starting lineup was a sad indictment of our recruitment, the most recent window aside. Of course, we miss James and Richi. Most teams would. Of more concern was how little cover he have at fullback. Digne and Seamus were huge misses today and we were painfully narrow all game.
I thought Kenny tried very hard but is ultimately very limited. I cringe when I imagine this lad at Goodison with the fans back, the abuse Davies gets would be comparatively mild.
Keane was far from our worst player, but had his worst game of the season so far. We really need Holgate back as we were a candidate for the ball over the top of the center backs for most of the day. Someone pointed out Mina has an error in him every game and I have to agree.
I've never thought Gomes a good fit for English football. He really needs the rest of the midfield to act as his legs to be effective. As it stands, post injury he looks to have lost too much pace to be of any real value, particularly when you consider the lack of speed of our central defender pairing.
Siggy and Gomes absolutely can't play together anyway, the speed of movement was glacial. Doucoure was extremely reluctant to get into the final third in open play, I'm sure the marshmallow like consistency of the spine of the team was a consideration as he declined to get too far forward.
I'm not even going to bother offering opinions on Delph or Bernard.
It was a toothless team performance in truth. Olsen was close to our best player, the French lad looked nervous but not out of place and Dom had an assured game with little service. But the bubble has burst well and truly and it's United next week.
I suspect at the end of the season this period we're presently enduring will come back to bite us. Let's hope not.
904 Posted 02/11/2020 at 02:11:36
905 Posted 02/11/2020 at 05:10:38
Why the fuck do we always refer to the RS whenever we are looking to excuse our own inadequacies ? What the fuck has it got to do with them ?
Those asking the mealy mouthed question of what they would do without 4-5 players need only look back to the cup game earlier this year when they rested 9 men.... Is that answer clear enough for you ?
Anyway. Fuck Liverpool. This is an Everton site.
I despair at some of the reasoning here. Point out that we won up there without James, Seamus and Digne ealier in the year and you will get the "yeah but we are missing Richarlison...Our best player" It's as if they have completely forgotten that when we were playing the worst football in living memory, Richarlison was very much part of that.
"BREAKING NEWS"...We are going to get injuries and suspensions all season. We are not asking the club cat to cope with them. We are paying a "professor" 60m quid to deal with them.
We cant keep praising the manager for victories and blaming the players for not being good enough when we lose...That argument is for the birds. Player for player, the team we put out on Saturday is miles better than the Newcastle one.
Real Madrid and Bayern Munich did not turn their noses up at James because he doesnt have the class. They lost interest in him because they do not believe they can get him on the field often enough to justify keeping him...That's another thing people are going to have to get used to.
906 Posted 02/11/2020 at 07:00:55
Only player I thought looked up for in was Dacoure. Gomes was woeful, and for me Allan was playing too far up the pitch
Carlo got this one wrong. Not least by taking off Kenny (who was pants though) which for me cost the second goal
907 Posted 02/11/2020 at 07:27:38
Is that a record?
As someone mentioned earlier - I hope all is well with MK.
908 Posted 02/11/2020 at 07:45:03
909 Posted 02/11/2020 at 08:11:48
“you described the the performance as excellent”
Oh did I? Where?
910 Posted 02/11/2020 at 08:37:01
This was my comment which was critical of the changes:
The 4-3-2-1 formation was working fine. We werent under any pressure and had most of possession. Correct sub of Bernard for Gomes when we needed more quickness of thought and foot in there.
Needed to work it left and right to get the 1 on 1 with the fullback. Was just starting to happen as the game opened up when he abandoned it (reference to Nkounkou sub).
Two poachers doesnt open up a low block (bringing on Tosun).
911 Posted 02/11/2020 at 08:49:17
912 Posted 02/11/2020 at 09:08:35
913 Posted 02/11/2020 at 10:21:03
914 Posted 02/11/2020 at 11:46:08
IMO the problem was a lack of courage on behalf of the 5 CM to go beyond DCL or even run into the box. God knows why because there was plenty of cover.
A shithouse performance from them and will give CA food for thought.
915 Posted 02/11/2020 at 11:52:11
Having said all that the players he put out then didn't perform. As many have said Gomes is too slow and off form and others coming in haven't shown why they should be first choices. The manager can't be held responsible for players not performing. That's down to the players, but he can't take the same approach next game. Maybe having Luca back and Holgate at RB might be better? Maybe Godfrey instead of Mina? Rashford, etc will kill us with pace otherwise. Mina turns like an oil tanker and Kenny struggled even against Newcastle.
One player that maybe could have solved all this was Gordon? He can play just like Richie and get us into the final third, but he doesn't even get a chance. With Nkonkou he could have given DCL the service he needs. Unfortunately the manager seems to be falling into the trap of trusting old heads instead of young talent. I hope that changes for United or else we will lose again.
916 Posted 02/11/2020 at 12:50:14
917 Posted 02/11/2020 at 13:06:20
First of all there was only one way that Newcastle team were ever score against a not great Everton team was if one of our players had a rush of blood to the head and gave away a penalty. Gomes fixed his sight on the ball from a piss weak corner, swung a desultory leg at it and was astonished some c**t jumped in front of him. No blame there. Apart from the referee.
Secondly, given that the game had opened up, their second goal was a peach. The little nipper that scampered away deserves a bonus £££. Fair play to him. He exposed what an indifferent player Mina is.
Delph? God, he buzzed around and did nothing. Maybe the make weight defensive player surrounded by class midfielders otherwise not good enough. Like his spirit. Make him a psychological coach.
Biggest mistake, Anchellotti's for playing Kenny and the French kid. It's not over for the French kid but it should be for Kenny. Devoid of guile and skill. Ponderous and predictable. Siggourdson ? Should stick to modeling. Easily the most tasty looking guy on the pitch. All that steaming Nordic angst. Did NOTHING. Repeat, NOTHING. As some one pointed out, constantly played balls behind moving players. For a professional, unforgivable. One screamer goal every eight(?) games is not good enough of a contribution.
I liked Bernard but really, how many times can you watch a player stand on the ball or have it come off his heel? Iowobie? Enigma.
Calviert-Lewin? Class. Never gave up.
Olsen ? From our squad ? Evertons number one. Specifically, didn't drop the ball at a strikers foot. Did well.
Tosen, blinked. Missed him. Allen was ok.
Way too many yellow cards. And why ?
They were shite.
Newcastle. Ooo. Will get religated.
Sorry for the spelling mistakes. Wine is to blame.
918 Posted 02/11/2020 at 13:35:36
Also the run of the ball and that bit of luck you need away when 4 of are better players this season were missing was never going to happen. After the Derby it wasn't going to be long before a decision or 2 went against us.
Going on the front foot and attacking them from the off may have been better tactics but the performance at Southampton put paid to that imo.
919 Posted 02/11/2020 at 13:36:00
920 Posted 02/11/2020 at 15:40:38
I know we had 4 starters out yesterday but I did not understand the team selection. Newcastle were set up defensively to soak up pressure and counter attack. We handed them the initiative from the get go. Their back 5 was under zero pressure all game. DCL received no support, was outnumbered and surrounded. We had 5 players all doing the same job in midfield. Cue lots of me to you sideways and backwards passing. No pace. No one taking the game to them. No one trying to get in behind.
Why not start with Bernard and/or Gordon instead of Gomes and Sigurdsson? Gomes and Sigurdsson should never be in the same XI btw.
The dodgy pen changed the game as until that point it had 0-0 written all over it.
Big game on Saturday.
Word on the refereeing - how come whenever we commit a foul it seems to be a yellow and yet the oppo have to commit 4 or 5 fouls to get one? I don't rate any of these refs.
921 Posted 02/11/2020 at 17:14:36
I can't disagree with any of that. I will add my oft-opined view that there's something more behind all this, a dyed in the wool, deeply ingrained cultural thing that frankly baffles me.
Somehow, through several managers, perhaps ordinary but different in their way, and despite a good number of personnel changes by now, this team conspires to produce a shite default performance given any excuse, that is so consistent in nature, it looks almost coached.
Supported only Everton my whole life so don't know the prevalence of this view by other fans of their own clubs. I do know such fans often have a less informed but similar overview of Everton as perennial under performers, nearly men - a head-patting take of a "Nice", non-threatening team.
Or at least they did. I don't remember such widespread condemnation of us or anyone else as a dirty team since Leeds in the 70s (OK Wimbledon). A thread yesterday on another site about a different match/team was unbelievable.
Exaggerated as it is, this aspect can stay for me. Great that we ruffled enough feathers in five games. If only we'd continued, at least with the endeavour - if not the results.
All but the best players will be ground down by this enigma within the walls. They look unfit, lethargic, lost, leaderless. Carlo alone will not fully fix it - nor will new signings, for any duration.
There is no spirit. There are no guts. That strange, esoteric "History" thing - and I will mention the RS. It's why they have done well in Europe (and expect to) in thirty years of not winning the league, with lesser teams than they have now. It's why they always beat us.
Behind it all, we are the polar opposite. I think we need to bring an exorcist in.
922 Posted 02/11/2020 at 18:06:16
923 Posted 02/11/2020 at 18:26:15
924 Posted 02/11/2020 at 18:28:28
Anyone who thinks missing key players isnt going to have consequences on performance needs their head examining. Of course it will.
To further demonstrate this point, that Im surprised needs demonstrating, heres something I just read:
Everton have created 68 chances in the Premier League this season. Forty-two of those 68 chances were created by players who werent in the starting XI this weekend.
925 Posted 02/11/2020 at 18:40:58
926 Posted 02/11/2020 at 18:43:29
927 Posted 02/11/2020 at 18:44:45
We aren't party to the team instructions etc. but I doubt Ancelotti anticipated such low energy flatness.
928 Posted 02/11/2020 at 18:51:41
929 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:13:50
That said, I wouldve started him on Sunday. And he should start this weekend as he is certainly more worthy of a place in our starting XI right now than Iwobi, Gomes and Sigurdsson.
Kenny continues to struggle at the top level. Ive said it for an incredibly long time now but he is simply not good enough for a team with aspirations of top 6 PL finishes. However, with better support around him, it would less expose his complete inadequacies as he will give 100% which is a lot more than some others are giving.
Its time for Yerry to leave the starting XI and I think Godfrey should be given a chance alongside Keane at Centre Back. It is his natural position and He deserves to come in and show us what he can do as much as Yerry deserves to come out on the back of him showing us what he can / cannot do.
Bernard, there is a place for the Brazilian currently as he is the only player who is fit in the squad who can remotely identify an opportunity to play between the lines and most importantly, play a pass forward.
Delph. Hes not a player I love but again, theres a place for him currently. At present he must start ahead of Andre Gomes who is simply not performing. Injuries aside, re-watch his pre-injury performance away to Villa last season. The regularity of inept performance from him is a major concern.
An interring post above referred to Bolasie. I hadnt even considered him but I absolutely agree, he can be no worse than a number of players who took to the field against Southampton and Newcastle. At least he does off some kind of forward thinking threat.
Personally for Utd Id be looking at the following:
Kenny Godfrey Keane Digne
930 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:27:25
Can anyone explain to me how this thread has got to 930?
I've never seen a TW article get past 450 ?
Is it all our Rodriguez followers?
Genuinely puzzled by this.
What a miserable result, it was predictable which made it worse, a chance to knock Liverpool off the top yet we choke once again.
Losing the players we did depressingly left us back in old territory.
931 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:29:23
932 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:30:27
If only we could have gotten Ancelotti in before we allowed fools to squander such fortunes on players they had no idea what to do with. If only we still had all that money to spend instead of being Hamstrung by Financial Fair Play.
People think I'm down on Carlo. I'm not. I think he is completely charming. I just think he is the wrong man for us. He is used to arriving at clubs that have lost their way. If only that was all that was wrong with us... We have been a complete basket case since the day and hour the Premier League was formed.
I think he likes it here and I'm beginning to suspect winning a trophy here would mean the world to him. But for me, he is a fish out of water.
The club has repeatedly tried to clean itself up from the outside in, but it is my deep-held belief that we will only ever succeed by doing it from the inside out. By asking those who already know where the problems lie to solve them.
On a more positive note, I have been hearing very heartening things about "Daddy's boy". From what I can gather, Davide is loving Finch Farm and is impressing everyone. Seems he has a lot more to offer than just having a famous dad. Maybe we will see some of his work coming to fruition as the season progresses.
It's gonna be a while before we challenge for the Title, Will, but I don't want to give up on the hope that we may land a cup or two while we are waiting.
933 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:43:21
934 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:47:22
935 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:49:17
Moving house, everything takes 4 times longer than you think, while no Sky and no Broadband does slow me down a bit.
Still, finally here in a nice little place in the heart of the Blackdown Hills – An Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty... or so I'm told. At least it was until we arrived!!
936 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:50:41
I think its you who needs to understand the difference between cause and correlation.
Nobody suggested Richarlison was the cause of these bad performances.
937 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:51:04
Then we get the international break, and the derby, and all of a sudden we look almost back to last season, pretty much shite. Just like that, as if the first half-dozen games of togetherness had not existed. Don Carlo had suddenly gone from being the world-class Professor to being just like his recent predecessors destined to struggle.
Similar has happened before, so many times, at Everton, and its always a mystery, as if our falling off a cliff is inevitable but unfathomable. We seem to start off with such hope and expectation, that this time feels different, that were finally getting there, only for it to be dashed yet again. Its so predictable, that immediately after the derby, I thought “Thats it, weve blown it again, shot ourselves in the foot, typical Everton”.
It does your head in, this constant cycle of being tantalisingly shown what can be achieved, and then being kicked in the face just when we think were onto to something big. Im absolutely sick of it, but its not possible to get free of it. All you can do is soak in the disappointment, keep a stiff upper lip, and carry on.
938 Posted 02/11/2020 at 19:53:12
939 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:08:24
Our attacking approach is to slow and when we get into the opponent's area, we always go backwards. The biggest thing for me is the lack of urgency within the players and I'm sorry to say this, the quality of some players is not good enough.
We've had a great start and hopefully we will get the players back to winning again, but I hope I'm not witnessing the same old story: promises, promises. We now have great manager so don't let him down.
940 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:19:07
I can understand Iwobi for Richarlison, but Bernard is the only player with the same level of skill. Bernard on the right side could cut inside like James does, and do pinpoint passes to Digne, or whoever is playing on the left wing.
I'm pretty sure we would have kept the same level of performance and got a decent win had Bernard been picked.
The penalty decision is just a Sky Six cartel move, especially after the derby.
941 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:28:07
942 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:31:32
Were still too nice! Allan has potential to be nasty Id say but having Sigurdsson as captain doesnt help this aspect of play!
Holgate has potential for this too ?!
943 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:36:14
When Everton were playing well, before the international break, we were making the ball do the work, Rodriguez in particular showing masterful touches that can change a game, without the need to be a greyhound.
We need to restore that form and style, a style that was a refreshing change from the turgid gegenpressing shit that has become so predominant in the Premier League. I wonder how much of this cross country running shit is drug fueled?
944 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:42:52
Thanks for the replys, yes that makes sense.
A strange monday was getting stranger!!
Can't get my head around the Fulham game starting at 5:30 or something on a Monday afternoon wtf ?? But in a world where I have to go on a website to log on so I can buy a jacket potato in a pub so I can have a pint without my friends I suppose it all makes sense.
945 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:44:37
I know I would.
Btw shite Leicester are currently second!
946 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:48:21
947 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:53:32
948 Posted 02/11/2020 at 20:54:28
Vardy more of a racehorse than cart horse, leave that description to the likes of Billy Whitehurst and Bernie Wright!
949 Posted 02/11/2020 at 21:00:02
950 Posted 02/11/2020 at 21:01:18
951 Posted 02/11/2020 at 21:09:11
But since you mention Bernie Wright, that was a low point in our signing of a player. My reference point to aim for is Ball, Harvey and Kendall, and not mediocrity at the level of Leicester or Bernie Wright.
952 Posted 02/11/2020 at 21:09:36
953 Posted 02/11/2020 at 21:42:31
954 Posted 02/11/2020 at 21:47:34
955 Posted 02/11/2020 at 21:58:06
956 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:02:04
Compare the likes of Vardy with DCL, who is the opposite of a cheat, and much more skilled. Thats what we want at Everton. The football we were playing only a month ago.
957 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:06:08
958 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:12:49
959 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:17:00
err let me think
960 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:20:19
They have managed to build a very impressive and young squad with less money (just about) than us. Very well run club.
961 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:28:43
Sam, are you seriously admiring Leicester? Is that a benchmark you would look for in Everton? Leicester, ffs!
962 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:33:29
What made that side great wasnt any individual. Nor was it that we had the best 11 in the division. It was hard graft. A will to win. Comradeship and pride.
Apart from one or two. The vast majority of our squad don't look like they give a monkeys when we lose. I know the game has changed but pride and commitment hasn't. I hate to say it but the RS do have these qualities and that is why they were last seasons champions.
Until we can find that one player who wont put up with his colleagues being mediocre then we will be also rans. I believe Andy Gray was that character back then. Along with Reidy and Rats.
A Roy Keane is what's required. Someone the rest of them are scared to let down.
In short WE'RE TOO F@@KING NICE.
963 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:46:08
964 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:48:57
Thats the frustration now, that we were showing all the right qualities until the last two games. The trick is to regain the cohesion, then the team spirit is self-generating.
965 Posted 02/11/2020 at 22:57:02
I didnt see anyone hurt walking off the pitch during the last two games. It needs to mean more.
966 Posted 02/11/2020 at 23:00:06
967 Posted 02/11/2020 at 23:07:01
The teams that do it the best and have some class strikers will continue to rule.
Unfortunately Everton are still trying to find that happy medium and after that fairly decent start we have fallen flat again.
The last three weekends have seen three mediocre performances despite the draw against RS.
Not getting the opposition behind the eight ball early has been a problem. All three teams scored first and the last two teams scored first and second ! The rash undisciplined challenge by Richarlison may be some excuse for what has happened since offensively but there is no excuse for the rest of the team not being a tight unit. The midfield has failed miserably to establish any real control and sadly is reminiscent of what the team was doing last season.
Well paid professionals like Siggy, Gomes and Iwobi are just not up to snuff and although Seamus, Luca and James are missing these other guys should be able to hold up their end of things.
Now, it may well be that Carlo just can't cut it anymore despite his successes at other clubs and if he can't turn the tide soon then it's back to mid-table again.
It would be nice to think that with Richarlison only having one more game to serve, Tosun fit and maybe Gbamin coming in that the tide will turn but our optimism always disappears too soon.
Surely the next game against Manure will be lot better.
968 Posted 02/11/2020 at 23:07:46
I meant emotionally hurt. Angry, upset.
Whilst I'm having my rant. I don't like the antics from Mina. I would rather see him stick the nut on an opponent than feign injury when he was tapped in the midriff with a football.
I know that there is gamesmanship these days but it stinks.
969 Posted 02/11/2020 at 23:07:46
I meant emotionally hurt. Angry, upset.
Whilst I'm having my rant. I don't like the antics from Mina. I would rather see him stick the nut on an opponent than feign injury when he was tapped in the midriff with a football.
I know that there is gamesmanship these days but it stinks.
970 Posted 02/11/2020 at 23:16:23
971 Posted 02/11/2020 at 23:21:33
I'm not condoning getting sent off. Nor hurting an opponent. I want to see Everton footballers rub it in by playing 100%. Coming off the pitch with no more to give. We were shite at times under Dour Davey. However. I loved the commitment.
972 Posted 02/11/2020 at 23:30:01
973 Posted 02/11/2020 at 23:54:09
Yet already, he has – with minimal recruitment – made us a much more formidable outfit at any time since Bob's first season. The bizarre and rapid deterioration of our squad, losing most of our best players at once, has been disastrous and is unprecedented in my memory so early in the season. This has resulted in having to promote players he doesn't really trust, and probably hasn't expected to have in the first team.
He set up to counter the pace of the Skunks' attack – probably because he couldn't predict how the garbage from last season would play. He's spent his managerial life working with top-class players, and I would bet that he has never witnessed shite like Gomes, Siguurdson, Iwobi etc at the top level. We can get away with carrying one or 2 players, but not 5 or 6.
Let me give an analogy: I am confident that if Lewis Hamilton was put in a shitty banger similar to mine, and we raced around a housing estate, I'd leave him standing, and that's what happens when a top-class coach has to work with 3rd rate tools.
Now let's pack the knee jerk criticism of the present boss, and just look at who has been running (ruining) this club for decades i.e. that fat tory cunt in the boardroom who has made a fortune out of this club, and given nothing back. He's responsible for allowing crap managers to bring in useless mercenaries for top wedge while praising them for keeping us in the top flight. He is the reason there hasn't been any ambition at this club for decades, and now Farhad has started making his own decisions, it looks like we are a club moving up... but it won't happen overnight.
974 Posted 03/11/2020 at 00:15:53
Mick, trust me, you really, really wouldn't, by a margin that would stun you. Choose another analogy!
975 Posted 03/11/2020 at 00:38:21
976 Posted 03/11/2020 at 07:57:02
I have never agreed with this idea that they don't give a shit (apart from the isolated occasions when a player might want out). I believe that when they gel, everything becomes easier and they enjoy their football and camaraderie, and we do too. But when they don't gel, they struggle, there's less economy of effort, things don't come off, they don't enjoy their football, and neither do we. It's simple human nature.
977 Posted 03/11/2020 at 08:10:57
978 Posted 03/11/2020 at 08:18:22
979 Posted 03/11/2020 at 08:51:39
If I am wrong I trust that someone on the site, who is more knowledgable than m, will let us know.
980 Posted 03/11/2020 at 10:05:37
981 Posted 03/11/2020 at 10:09:03
I can kind of see the logic where Carlo came up with that midfield. In his post-match he pretty much said they were set up not to concede and bar for the rather odd penalty, it was succeeding to that point. Once we concede then the odds of getting one back is pretty low with that line up.
I don't undertand why Bernard and Iwobi came on before Gordon after they scored. It must be something they see in training that we don't as I was sure he would start on the left. I thought Bernard was, ok, but with little impact in the final third. Iwobi just seems to be going backwards and needs a break for now.
No clean sheets since the first game is a worry on the surface. But looking at the teams that have, I was surprised (Wolves 4, Villa/Chelsea/Saints 3). It's been a high scoring start to the season with very few clean sheets.
982 Posted 03/11/2020 at 10:19:56
I know we were missing 4 first teamers but I'm sorry any player coming in to replace should be playing with the same mindset and fit into our new style of play.
The experience (except for neils) that Everton had on show should have had enough for Newcastle.
I love Everton but boy did they depress me the weekend, it's hard enough been in lockdown just wish Everton would get back winning to help with it
983 Posted 03/11/2020 at 10:22:07
984 Posted 03/11/2020 at 10:32:49
Carlo referred to errors post match. This was probably in his mind
11 goals conceded in 7 games, many self inflicted, is too many and over a season that rate will not lead to a good final position.
985 Posted 03/11/2020 at 10:33:27
986 Posted 03/11/2020 at 11:07:11
They currently sit above us despite our excellent start and despite the fact that they are missing alot of first teamers. They have a team with lots of young talent (Maddison, Barnes, Fofana, Tielemans, Ndidi, Justin, Under, Soyuncu, Castagne etc) who will only get better over the next few years.
Think them and Wolves have shown the way to do it for mid-table clubs with aspiration. We have not!
987 Posted 03/11/2020 at 11:19:38
Duncan Ferguson as manager probably would have won against Newcastle because the players would have been highly motivated.
Eventually that style of management fades whereas Ancelottis style endures as long as he has a full quota of top class players.
As said above most of the players we have signed have failed to make it at the top level simply because they are not good enough.
988 Posted 03/11/2020 at 12:02:14
989 Posted 03/11/2020 at 12:10:26
I would add that a successful team now has to pay at an intense and very high tempo. Ponderous possession midfield is dead. A midfield now needs zip, energy, tenacity speed of thought and forward passing. It needs an electric tempo.
Chelsea, Southampton, Leicester, RS, Man City, Tottenham even Leeds all play at a massively higher tempo than us. They all have fast accurate passing (a quality that doesnt get talked about enough) and rapid closing down.
Since that opening win with our fully fit team we have been lacking it, the squad players seem not to be not willing to put in the graft in training that makes players puke. They need to match these other teams for hunger, tempo and closing down or we are going nowhere fast.
The other teams mentioned have the midfielders who are naturally able to do it or have been trained and conditioned physically to the limit, by their training staff and a dedicated regime to achieve it.
Something is amiss with the training and conditioning of Gomes, Delph, Sigurdsson. They need to be fed raw meat and be 20% fitter. In their current state they are not fit enough or hungry enough to start matches.
They cannot be allowed to get away with this ‘comfort zone coasting , its costing us. They make think they are super fit, but its all relative isnt it ?, to the midfielders you are coming up against.
990 Posted 03/11/2020 at 12:23:04
Of course there are bigger clubs but most of them have financial resources and operations that we cannot match.
Don't really see how you can possibly contest the idea that Leicester are a very well run club; which is what I said in my original post.
991 Posted 03/11/2020 at 12:31:27
992 Posted 03/11/2020 at 12:42:51
It's what he said at the end that worries me.
If it wasn't for the penalty at Newcastle it would have been 0-0 which would have been a good result.
Is this the message he relayed onto his players before kick off
993 Posted 03/11/2020 at 12:45:03
Either way Everton are far closer to Leicester's situation than Man City currently. I think most on here would be delighted with a one off title win at this point!
994 Posted 03/11/2020 at 13:54:21
995 Posted 03/11/2020 at 14:10:25
Another 0-0 (I'll take a win too) this week will keep us in the mix and off we go again after the break...one game at a time.
996 Posted 03/11/2020 at 14:28:02
The bias of it all is in the days of playing at Maine Rd they got as many penalties as we Everton do now.
997 Posted 03/11/2020 at 14:42:29
Without good forward options they fall back on tactics as issued by the coaches / manager.
So, our less skilful players are responsible to either play it forward (a punt as no obvious options) or play it sideways and backwards to keep possession, (encouraging opposition to close us down or stay in shape).
It's this phase of play that we have failed to improve on until James came along. He drags defenders out of position and creates space for others. This is simply down to his clever movement and talent on and off the ball.
Bernard is the only other player who tries to do this. He's not near James's level so opposition or less likely to be worried or break shape.
We need more energy and movement from the forwards when in possession. We need a game plan that simplifies it for our defenders to play forward.
Otherwise get big Dunc on and go route one.
998 Posted 03/11/2020 at 14:46:57
Leeds circa 1970 were cheating dirty bastards, but they also played great football. We, on the other hand, played even greater football without the nastiness. Thats what we need to aim for now.
999 Posted 03/11/2020 at 14:50:03
It would help if we had players forward instead of a static MF and fullbacks.
Nobody pushed up at all vs Newcastle that is why we should have had someone like Gordon making runs and pulling their defence apart instead of Siggy who stands like a lamppost
WE know we cant keep a clean sheet so we might as well go for it..
1000 Posted 03/11/2020 at 15:24:30
1001 Posted 03/11/2020 at 15:25:44
1002 Posted 03/11/2020 at 15:47:30
And of course we had Johnny Morrisey...say no more
1003 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:10:59
Salah looked like he had been electrocuted by a taser a few moments after the West Ham lad touched him. If that isnt blatantly deceiving the referee I dont know what is.
There is a reason Liverpool cheat, its because for some reason they always get away with it. Its like they have a get out of Jail free card when things arent going their way.
1004 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:14:53
1005 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:20:31
Thing is, this is Everton, so there will be no cup.
1006 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:26:44
1007 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:28:02
1008 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:28:31
Repercussions? No, tumbleweed...
1009 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:32:40
There has been a psychological shift in both the players and referees.
Without the cauldrons of English football stadia every noise and action is seen more keenly, the players are exploiting it, the referees are more inclined to give it. Mix in the VAR has now reduced contact in the box to a binary call its not hard to see the knock on.
If I were Salah, Kane or Wilson Id eke out every chance Id get. The scream of pain now unmasked without the ‘hubbub fans is more likely to factor in to a referees (wrongly) decision, and if it comes down to VAR the contextual things we all use to rationalize a call are removed. Was there contact? Yes, so Salah and Wilson get their penalty and it wouldnt be overturned. Kanes is a different matter, lets not digress.
Mix in that a dive (YC offence) cannot be assessed by VAR then player trying to win a penalty now has the nap hand.
Its one on the eye for those who believe in a purer game, Im sure Tony Abrahams is cursing as we speak! Sorry Tony! Sadly the game isnt going backwards only forwards.
So what of Everton, well simply we have to get in the box and go down when theres contact, and exacerbate it. Get practicing lads!
1010 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:47:55
I'd rather not go down the "Get with it" route. It's not about believing the game should be a certain way, it's about what football is supposed to be, and everyone knows what that is. It's a very poor evolution that shouldn't be encouraged.
1011 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:48:54
Age should not be something to categorize players by but if we had older players who had speed of thought and foot it would not be a question. I think Doucoure is 26. If you look at any of the top 10 teams in the Premier League they all have U25 in their teams. Given how successful our Academy has been why have we not developed those types of players. Neither Barkley or Davies have speed.
1012 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:53:22
I agree we do appear to get more decisions against us than for us. I think this is partly down to the perceived attacking intent, or in our case a lack of it.
If your defenders have more time on the ball or a team is often left chasing back, I think unintentional bias goes in favour of the attacking player.
VAR will not help unless it's in and around the penalty area. So we appear to give away more free kicks because our players are out of position, make mistakes in losing the ball, chasing back or not clever enough.
To say we are to nice or do not cheat is simply wrong. All players commit fouls, all players try and get away with it and sadly more and more players blatently cheat by 'diving'.
The problem is VAR shows this as clever play, attacking player's initiating contact or slow / stop momentum to ensure contact. It's still a dive in my book but apparently the rules allow it.
So moan and disagree but our players and coaches need to wise up. Ric probably does it to often, but he's getting away with it more, therfore cheating less (somehow). I don't like it but advantages are there to be won through clever play.
Allowing this to continue spoils the game. But it appears referees have stopped booking player's for diving. If this is allowed to continue why would players stop? It's like robbing the bank of a 50 note at monopoly, too easy.. oops!
1013 Posted 03/11/2020 at 16:54:47
1014 Posted 03/11/2020 at 17:03:42
Also buy a Centre Forward as I don't think Kean will come back here somehow. We have got the choice of 2 quick young Centre backs in Godfrey and Holgate who could play together or possibly partner Keane if needed, which means we can sell Mina as well. So we could get in 2 top quality players and use the deadwood in part exchange or just sell them to offset the cost of improving the team.
1015 Posted 03/11/2020 at 17:05:59
1016 Posted 03/11/2020 at 17:10:09
I am just baffled as to why Gordon has not been given a better chance, has always impressed when he has come on.
Surely after the last 2 matches, he has to give Gordon a starting place, or the very worst bring him on as a sub.
The only one who will go past players and also make forward runs, so why on the last few games, have we left him on the bench.
1017 Posted 03/11/2020 at 17:13:07
1018 Posted 03/11/2020 at 17:34:09
1019 Posted 03/11/2020 at 17:40:49
I feel like cheating is worse this year also because of the pandemic and financial ramifications. Players being asked to take wage cuts etc. Champions league could be the difference between a lucrative new contract and no contract. Case in point Pogba. The BBC report that he favors a move to Madrid but Madrid can't afford him. His alternative is a lucrative deal at United but United are wary of committing unless Champions League is assured. So there's is probably real and or implied pressure to do whatever it takes to get an edge whether it is diving, shirt tugging, time wasting etc. The frustrating thing is the inequality. Niasse gets a ban for "diving" while Callum Wilson publicly boasts about it and there's no action. The other issues is handballs. They have adjusted the interpretation after the early games but conceivably points earned by Everton, Palace, Newcastle early on with "ball to hand" could make a difference at the season's end. Other teams having similar "ball to hand" experiences won't have the benefit of a penalty. Seems unfair to me to change rules mid campaign.
1020 Posted 03/11/2020 at 18:02:28
1021 Posted 03/11/2020 at 18:19:58
seems everything is moving gradually toward a state of flux with the rules, more change, more responses etc. You're right, it can have marked effects. Remember when changes only came in with a new season. Might help if they actually applied them too. Niasse as you mention, and one other player I can't remember, then... nothing more. I just read Callum Wilson's words too. As for the squeals when kicked...
Pogba; has there ever been a more entitled footballer (or employee of any sort)? Would be nice to go a fortnight without hearing yet more permutations about the future and options of this hugely coveted, ever-pursued elite football asset - and yet he's still at United, having used his talents to any real impact in maybe half a dozen games.
1022 Posted 03/11/2020 at 18:44:58
I've long whinged about the rules and their suitability for technology, what we are seeing is bunch of unintended consequences because VAR fundamentally don't fit with the rules as they are currently written.
I'm by trade a guy who can create systems for companies through SAP, Citrix etc. which are basically interfaces, each change has to be user tested from beginning to end and using the most bizarre scenarios to ensure durability and nothing unintended happens.
VAR hasn't been had enough user acceptance testing in IT parlance, those who have created it haven't thought through enough scenarios or looked at how the system will be exploited. The rules don't neatly fold into as series of binary answers to give you a result, so it's ripe for exploitation. There have been no, that's zero, YC for simulation this season. Strike you as odd? Well the only way that's happening is if there is absolutely no contact, and its called in real time, any review will be of the foul and not the simulation, as players only really dive in the box there is little to no risk.
It's a huge flaw, sadly one we need to exploit until they close it.
1023 Posted 03/11/2020 at 18:48:37
1024 Posted 03/11/2020 at 19:34:33
1025 Posted 03/11/2020 at 19:43:20
John, I'm not going near the human-technology interface either, nor how it plays out/can be played out, we could be here for days. SAP, that takes me back; twenty-plus years ago SAP, mind!
1026 Posted 03/11/2020 at 20:04:42
thanks for the heads-up - will review my vehicle security.
1027 Posted 03/11/2020 at 22:27:17
Ancelloti will make sure this happens, bringing in the players required and ditching the dross. We have started better than I ever imagined and even accounting for 3 wins in the Cup, it's still 7 wins out of 10. That's 70 % win ratio!
Our 2 full backs provide crosses and Digne is a great out ball for the switched diagonal. Coleman has looked somewhere back to his old self, for which he and the staff need much praise. Richarlison is an out ball anywhere across the pitch and is our road runner as well as creating for DCL. Once he starts scoring again nobody in this league will stop us from scoring. As for Rodriguez, well, he is just a privilege to see in an Everton shirt and needs to be nursed carefully.
All 4 operate as a pivotal unit for our team, cleverly put together by Ancelloti to operate as one.
Get our best players back and the wins will return.
Let's give the manager another year to sort the dross out folk's!
1028 Posted 03/11/2020 at 22:49:18
Both have certain qualities that appeal, pace, strength, skill and have Premier league experience.
Non of that matters because they lack energy, desire, a never give up attitude the top players have. They have proven that they are good player's but no better.
Both are inconsistent and ultimately fail to make the right pass, run or movement throughout game's as they have throughout their careers.
I'm still waiting for then to mature and fulfill their potential. Sadly it gets no better than their current play.
Yes Barkley is fast but not lightning quick. He lacks stamina and energy to match. Zaha has quicker acceleration but probably not much faster in terms of top speed. I think Zaha has better stamina too.
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