Ronald Koeman has cited the lack of a proven goalscorer and the weight of supporter expectation among the reasons for his failed tenure at Everton.
Hailed by majority shareholder, Farhad Moshiri, as the “Hollywood manager” to complete a northwest quartet rounded out by Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho and Jurgen Klopp, the Dutchman arrived at Goodison Park amid a flurry of optimism in 2016.
However, despite a spending spree on attacking midfielders and some promising results in his debut season, the Koeman regime hit the rocks just a few weeks into his second campaign at the helm and with Everton languishing in the bottom three of the Premier League, Moshiri sacked him before eventually hiring Sam Allardyce as a stop-gap appointment.
He has since taken roles as the head coach of the Netherlands national team and Barcelona where he is trying to keep the Blaugrana in touch with La Liga leaders Atletico Madrid and he has reflected on his time with the Toffees in an interview with Alan Shearer in The Athletic this week.
“At Southampton, there wasn't the same pressure as when I was the manager in Everton, and Everton wasn't the same pressure to compare with the pressure at Barcelona,” Koeman explained.
“It was difficult, that period, because Everton are a club — and also the fans — who expect sometimes too much. I think sometimes they are still living in the past about the great seasons that they had at Everton.
“My first season was a really good one. Romelu Lukaku scored 25 league goals and we had great home games against Manchester City, who we beat 4-0; we beat all the big ones and it was great.
“But to do the next step, that's the most difficult one. We spent a lot of money, we signed Jordan Pickford, we signed Michael Keane, we signed Gylfi Sigurdsson and some more players but the big miss was that we did not have a striker like Lukaku. That was really painful.
“We were close to signing Olivier Giroud at that time. Finally, we started with Dominic Calvert-Lewin as the No 9. At that time, he was too young, but if you see him playing now, he's really a good player and I like him.
“That was a really difficult situation — when we lost Lukaku, we lost 25 goals. That was difficult and when we signed Wayne Rooney, maybe we had Davy Klaassen and some other players in the same position at that time. That was difficult, but what we missed at that time was really a goalscorer.”
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1 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:31:23
He certainly didn't appear to have a game plan. He didn't improve or get the best of of the players. That was all of his responsibility.
If he can't handle the expectation of Everton fans, what's he doing at Barcelona?
Please just admit it was a good opportunity but he wasn't upto the challenge. Nice pay off either way.
Never wanted, never liked, thanks for nothing. Nothing personal, our board made a bad appointment.
We have moved on.
2 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:35:10
3 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:39:39
5 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:55:17
6 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:58:19
Koeman was, and remains, a complete ass.
7 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:00:19
At the time of his appointment I was really optimistic, such a let down. His treatment of Niasse says everything you need to know about Ronald, an arrogant dick.
8 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:04:19
9 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:04:21
With or without the money Koeman blew, I bet Ancelloti would never utter those words.
Plus, if anyone is looking to their past too much its Barcelona, by appointing a former good player who is again proving to be a very average manager wherever he ends up. Im surprised hes lasted this long there but dont worry, it wont last.
10 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:05:36
Left us in the shit and walked away a multi millionaire.
11 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:06:10
12 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:07:06
I suppose if he's going to sit for an interview like that he has to fight his corner, as it were, but a tenure best forgotten barring a few fleeting exceptions.
All in the past now, RK.
13 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:08:49
He let go Suarez al Barcelona whos shining at Atletico Madrid and Messi will leave him in summer. That says it all.
14 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:14:31
Wasted a fortune on guff players. If youre replaced by Allardyce you know youve done a shite job. and he was a closet kopite. We should of sacked him when he posted that picture of his Christmas tree.
I do agree though you cant replace Lukaku with a very young DCL or even him now to be fair. But its his own fault because he did fill his squad with number 10s instead of anyone who could find the net.
15 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:29:22
16 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:30:17
17 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:30:35
His all too public mismanagement of Barkley which in the end cost the club about £30m, his inability to build rapport with anybody be they players, fans or media, revealed his limitations as a manager, leader and communicator. I would have sacked him after the debacle of the 3-0 defeat at Atalanta. The final few weeks after that were chaotic. He showed no clue how to arrest the decline.
18 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:31:23
19 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:31:37
He is arrogant, and ultimately lazy.
He is the one manager who had everything to succeed. He had an already decent quality squad - a world class striker and some solid players with a couple of high quality youngsters. He had money to spend.
And he absolutely blew it.
Lazy in training. Lazy in recruitment. He thought his name would make him a success.
The horror irony is, when he came I remember the scepticism of "he's only here until he gets the Barcelona job".
I always countered this with "if he gets the Barcelona job, then it means he'll have been a success with us".
20 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:38:05
21 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:38:58
The blame is not on fan expectation but the inability to use that expectation as a driving force as Klopp has managed at monkey island,
Watch the fan reaction when we won under Martinez at OT the potential here is monumental for the right man
22 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:39:57
Its been hanging in the wardrobe waiting for a miracle at Barca so I can sell it on eBay to a deluded Barca fan but I guess its destined to stay there. Man was a complete fraud.
23 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:41:47
24 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:42:16
25 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:44:47
He delivered either.
26 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:45:25
He didn't care enough about the club, he's a vile man.
27 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:46:00
This article sums him up, arrogant and shows up his disinterest that we all saw from him.
28 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:46:27
When my views go against the majority, I reconsider them. I have, and go back to the thrashing of Man City and consider what might have been.
29 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:51:42
30 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:58:59
31 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:01:38
Shows how disparate Football can be allowed to be, from both the grass roots and against the loyalty of the fans, who unfortunately remain victims, while the guilty have gone free.
I assume that the appointment was instigated by Moshiri, who has obviously learned very expensively the error of his ill-suited, and ill- advised decision to appoint him in the first instance.
Hopefully we are now in the Recovery Room, and things can only get better.
32 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:07:56
But can we just separate this from his actual comments which were:
1 The fans are sometimes living in the past.
2 The fans expectations are not realistic.
If you,for a moment, can forget that these comments were made by Koeman,would you not agree that there is some basis to his argument?
33 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:15:33
34 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:18:59
On point 1, yeah in a sense e.g we all love to make remarks like "remember back in 1985. " so in a nostalgic sense we live in the past but I think he's implying we think it's 1987 and we assume we will win the league. I don't see much of that among our fan base. On point 2. Fans I know in the real world, and most people on ToffeeWeb, I definitely don't think anyone is living in cloud cuckoo land with expectations.
35 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:19:24
36 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:23:42
Priority trips to golf courses and not taking enough interest in the club contributed to his downfall.
Floored operation and poor transfer policy and buying players for the wrong need, and to play out of position.
Being a very good player doesnt mean you can be a very good coach.
Lets see how long his tenure at Barca as manager, lasts.
37 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:25:51
Have a look at the comments any week on the live forum and tell me we don't have unrealistic expectations.
38 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:29:34
Fair enough. I don't go on the live forum much
39 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:48:39
There are arrogant people, there are those that like to project arrogance, then there are those that are arrogant and like to project it. Koeman is one. Goes out of his way to be an arsehole.
The Barcelona talk for so long; based on what precisely? A complete mystery. As is the fact he's got the positions that he has. His record is pretty much the same throughout his management history. Southampton was the exception.
As to "Expectation" - in competitive sport? Not having hope and expectations is the defeatist position.
40 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:00:19
41 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:02:02
42 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:02:49
43 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:03:54
44 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:07:34
45 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:07:58
I can't believe he's not been found out, as it were. Maybe it will happen after Barca sack him.
46 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:24:14
A reality check is needed. Barcelona are on their knees and the elite coaches wont touch them with a shitty stick at the minute. €1 billion in debt and the greatest player in history about to leave as soon as the last ball is kicked this season. They are a mess and thats the only reason hes manager, because hes the only one that would take it.
His first day in charge he absolutely Niassed Suarez and look at him now Atletico flying and top of the league 14 goals in 15 games. The man is an utter c**t.
And excuse us Ronald. Excuse us for wanting better when we know what success has tasted like. Excuse us for showing ambition and for expecting our manger to be able to fucking do something with £200m in transfer funds. We should take this prick to court for the spending of that money we gave him. Were only just putting his mess right 3 years later!
Hell be unemployed very soon and Ill laugh my head off when the axe falls.
47 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:32:24
Absolute ocean-going thunder-c**t of a man.
48 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:32:39
49 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:33:29
50 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:35:51
51 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:40:32
Remember, you upscaled you expectations closer to ours and didnt play him for Holland when you unbelievably given that job based on your playing days reputation.
52 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:43:56
53 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:50:23
“I don't know that he was lazy, how do any of us?”
Theres a lot of irony in your post given that your default response to any defeat is to come on here and accuse the players of not caring, not being impacted by it, going home and not dwelling on their performance, being overpaid etc. So I would ask you: how do you know they do not care, how do any of us?
54 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:58:00
55 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:01:15
56 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:06:31
57 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:09:47
Living in the past? Of course you can find an argument for this, but Id say at least 33% of our fans have never seen us win a trophy, so this doesnt really make sense to suggest such a thing to these fans.
He had no feelings for Everton, and never tried to hide the fact, and for a manager who spent a fortune and was also an absolutely fantastic footballer, I honestly couldnt believe how poor his method-less football was on the eye.
58 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:13:09
59 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:18:27
60 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:19:54
Yes, strange. There must be many players who are good footballers, perhaps for instinctive reasons, perhaps because they understand their specific role in the limited context of the couple of positions on the pitch which are close to them, who religiously follow a manger's instructions - but who don't really understand the bigger picture, and the changing picture, in a game, and who would just never make a manager.
61 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:22:46
It all started to unravel when Lukaku left and he didn't land Giroud. Without a striker, his stockpiling of misfits was always going to bite him on the arse.
Playing more golf than training, blaming everyone else meant that he was more or less manoeuvring his own sacking. Sure enough, his arrogance and past reputation have got him 2 massive jobs since leaving us but God knows how. Barca will soon enough give him the chop but it will always be someone else's fault.
62 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:33:17
How wrong I was. His performance at our club was a disgrace. And this interview is utter bullshit. We dont have unrealistic aspirations, they are simply high.
63 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:51:42
Koeman was such a player, and was arguably one of the most comfortable ball playing defenders Ive ever seen, but watching Everton play under him was the total opposite, and was mostly very uncomfortable viewing, because there was imo, absolutely no real method whatsoever.
I also wonder if the story about Kenwright refusing to allow him to bring in Sammy Lee, (if thats true) affected his feelings before hed even got his feet under the table? But if this was true, it would only confirm that he only came because he got an offer he couldnt £e£use.
64 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:55:56
65 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:57:08
I'm pretty sure it's quite an industry within the game. Unfortunately, we've been suckered into appointing Martinez, Koeman, Silva and Allardyce who were all at it. It has brought our club's future into jeopardy. Personally, I don't see Carlo as belonging to the same coterie but, if he is, we are in very serious trouble.
66 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:02:24
67 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:04:36
69 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:16:25
70 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:19:29
71 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:20:06
Derek #48, it's because I'm secure in my masculinity that I'm able to openly confess here... that I love you.
Barbed wire, private parts, fast car... I will be laughing until breakfast tomorrow.
72 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:23:49
73 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:29:13
74 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:30:17
Mike G, glad I made someone happy, no point in being Les Miserables, although we have a full supporting cast on here at times.
75 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:36:26
No class whatsoever and I will piss myself laughing when he makes a bollocks of his ‘dream job'.
76 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:43:10
I was one who was pleased at the time with the Koeman appointment. I admit in hindsight to being blinkered by my admiration of Koeman the player vice Koeman the manager. I was uncomfortable with us appointing Martinez and dismayed at our pursuit of Silva. With Koeman, I thought this could be something.
A great player, possibly one of the best centre backs I've seen and my word what a shot he had on him. An unstoppable straight arrow that frequently pierced the net. That probably warped my view as I have continuously preached a great player doesn't translate to a good manager. I should have known better.
I liked his straight talking, but that is what probably comes out in this interview. I don't think he is purposely being offensive. He is being Dutch. Those who have worked with Dutch people, lived in or near Holland will understand they are naturally blunt straight talking people. Even by a "tell it how it is" scouser standard, they border on rude at times, but that must be taken in the context of them not speaking in their native language too. That aside, they are a very direct people by nature in my experience.
So, with that in mind, in Koeman's head and given the time he was at Everton and our recent history over the decades since the 80s, I can see his "living in the past" perception. Sometimes the truth hurst. I do personally wallow in the past longing for future success. But that's me the life long Evertonian, not someone from Holland who has achieved huge success on the European club and international level.
But, the guy never had any conviction in Everton. For me the alarm bells started ringing when he seemed to need convincing. I believe at the time we were also linked with his Dutch counterpart who ultimately flopped at Palace. He never seemed to buy into Everton and it never really felt like he wanted to be there. Much more comfortable on the golf course by all accounts.
I hope that is a balanced view.
77 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:49:15
78 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:52:20
I remember watching Klaassen in the Europa League Final against Man Utd; I think he touched the ball once. Barkley, the one man who kept trying to play football and always showed for the ball, he hung him out to dry and used him as the scapegoat. That finished Ross at Everton, in my opinion.
79 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:08:12
80 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:15:23
Koeman is a smug. overrated manager. Overrated by himself and what baffles me most, by the football world. Most of his tricks have been reminded in the course of this thread, and it's not pretty reading. At one time I seriously wondered whether he was trying to fail here.
81 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:21:28
82 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:23:53
83 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:24:04
Although we have a great history as a club, of which we are all rightly proud, the reality is that in the modern (Prem Lge) era we are not a big club. It's harsh to say but we have won nothing in 25 years and cannot compete financially with the big boys. Yet, every new signing will say how great it is to be signing for a "big" club and getting us back to our former glory. This continues to be the club's party line (especially under BK) and all it does is put a millstone around every manager's neck. I know it rankles with many supporters but I think that this is what Moyes was alluding to with his "knives to a gunfight" comment.
Don't get me wrong, I want and hope for the best for Everton. Nothing would make me happier than seeing us winning things and returning to the "top table" but I know that this is a really difficult job and it's not something I just EXPECT because of our name or history. Having said that, I do think that we are currently headed in the right direction and I like Ancelotti & Brands approach. They are fairly honest (eg we are not in a position to win the title) and prepared to be patient and take a longer term view (eg on transfers).
84 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:33:04
Martinez may have struggled when the going got tough, and he was a frustrated corporate PR at times, but his intentions were right. He probably over-hyped the players in public and was too defensive. Koeman, on the other hand...
I agree about the "Strange" aspect!
85 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:35:41
Also, sometimes as much as we get defensive, an outsider's view brings home some uncomfortable truths. Everton's woes go way back before Koeman's tenure.
But, I make no excuses for Koeman's indifference to Everton, just trying to add some context and perspective.
86 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:36:45
It also took us years to replace Baines, Distin and Jags. Poor planning all round. I don't even want to add up all the signings made that we wont recover a penny on, that have cost us millions. Bolasie, Sandro, Siggy, Scheids, Walcott, Tosun. £150m+ to buy, plus wages. And sold for next to nothing. Not only that but we let Sandro, Walcott, Bolasie and Tosun go and will still be paying a lot of their wages... probably up to 500 grand a month so they can play for other clubs.
I cant stand Koeman. First game vs Spurs l knew it would be shit. But l put the blame solely at the feet of Moshiri who went from one style to another and threw ridiculous sums of money around. Icing on the cake when he hired Silva.
87 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:38:44
88 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:39:38
89 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:42:45
His treatment of Niasse was despicable - who for all his faults...which were legion, was worth every penny we paid out just to see the look on cloggies fat grid when those 2 goals went in.
He had a great career, but was an absolute awful snide of a player...and as we've seen with Niasse a human being.
I was going to say tailor made for the rs, but I doubt even thrry would have him.
Then you add on to all that the red and white Christmas tree.
His tenure nearly ruined us and set us back years.
90 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:44:09
91 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:54:07
He said that Lulaku needed to leave in order to realise his ambitions and potential.
He consistently criticised Ross Barkley in public.
He consistently failed to accept accountability for bad performances on the pitch, always blaming the players.
He should have been sacked sooner.
His appointment was a very bad mistake.
At least now we have an accomplished and highly professional manager, a top manager, in Ancelotti.
92 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:56:13
“The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever becoming one.”
93 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:06:00
He had absolutely no respect for anything or anyone except his pay packet, no respect for the club, its supporters or players, no respect for why he was appointed or what Moshiri was trying to do. It was beneath him.
Danny made comment re the fact he was being Dutch, no, and I have worked in Amsterdam, he was rude and dismissive but more than anything he couldn't have cared less.
Frankly every Everton supporter KNOWS what he did and how he left us, for all the moaning about how we are currently playing, its because of the players koeman bought in, the players still on our books and now only getting rid. THATS why we are in the position we are now, THATS why on the pitch we are a fragmented half team thats being replaced by Ancelotti.
Its been a dreadful legacy, we are living in the past because its all we have had to hold on to after the disgraceful tenancy of Kenwright, the naivety of Moshiri and the bad management of Koeman. The perfect storm.
94 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:14:21
Next week Ronny tells us how the COVID pandemic could all have been over in a matter of weeks if only they'd banned chop suey rolls in all the chippys.
95 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:39:22
96 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:50:20
He is right in so much that his second season was blighted by the loss of Lukaku and him not being replace
He is right that fan expectation is based on former glories and often not realistic
But it is also right that fans can point to the signing made in his second season as being poorly planned and imbalanced
Its also fair of the fans to be critical of his attitude
He had more money than any Everton manager in history at that point, and was part of a team that sold the most prolific striker in recent history and replaced him with, well, no one.
As for Niasse, I actually side with Koeman. He should have gone. It was a mistake to sign him. He has only just gone and even as a free agent struggled to get a team. He was crap.
97 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:55:35
As for supporter expectation and the lack of a proven goalscorer - did he think the Barca fans would have any lower expectations that Everton's and as for lack of a proven goalscorer, well, he can't get at tune out of that lazy mug Messi, can he?
98 Posted 03/02/2021 at 02:21:36
I can honestly say Ive never disliked an Everton manager as much as I disliked Koeman, perhaps with the exception of Allardyce. Interestingly, perhaps, I disliked them both from day one but I was willing to give each of them a chance.
Koeman complains that he lost Lukaku and couldnt replace his goals. Well, he had plenty of money in the kitty and failed to do so. In that second season, its not as if we were creating chances left, right and centre and failing to put them away. We were god-awful all over the pitch - and thats down to the manager.
As for expectations - they come with the job. Moshiri will have set those expectations. If you feel theyre unrealistic, you dont take the job. Instead, we chased Koeman across Europe that summer, gradually offering more and more money until he was prised away from Southampton - naively as it turned out.
This was a man who couldnt be bothered to delay his holiday, or make a quick trip back to the UK to sign his contract and do a couple of interviews. Instead the club had to “announce” him using footage filmed in his hotel lobby.
Once he took the job, he was the last in and the first out of the training ground on the days he bothered to turn up.
He was never interested in living in Northern England, nor up to the challenge of awakening the biggest of the countrys remaining sleeping giants. He was surly, disinterested, uninspiring and downright lazy. Yet he puts his failures down to the lack of a striker? All weve learned is that hes still as arrogant as he ever was.
99 Posted 03/02/2021 at 03:33:12
I was staggered by the money he was allowed to spend with no obvious plan. Surely someone at the club asked the question as to why Sigurdsson, Vlasic, Klaassen and Rooney for the same position? Moshori just as much to blame for letting this fool loose with bags of cash.
100 Posted 03/02/2021 at 03:46:29
I apologise for this as Christine Foster is the only lady on here and I applaud her for that. Like every other comment about Koeman's words regarding we Evertonians, I thoroughly enjoyed yours too, Christine, but I get a miffed when anyone has a go at Kenwright.
Why? He's an Evertonian, like us and too many clubs are foreign-owned. Although this isn't bad in itself, I am well proud we have an Evertonian on point at our football club.
Why? Because, after 60 years of being an Evertonian and the first 15 playing footy against the Goodison Road gates next to St Luke's, I really appreciate the importance of a man at the helm who I know will always put the football club he loves before himself.
Personally, if I were ever good enough, I would play for Everton for nothing and I wouldn't play for any other football club in the world. And I wouldn't give a shite being paid as I would just live off and feed off the sheer overwhelming pleasure of doing so and living my dream.
I sincerely believe Kenwright is no different and, whilst he is alive, he should be respected as such as I am convinced he has always done the very best he could do for our football club.
Secondly, it was Kenwright who spent years at Highbury "courting" Mr Moshiri that convinced him to come and finance our club, our dreams. As a typical Scouse bloke, who has had the last rites umpteen times as a much younger man and therefore has never taken anything for granted, especially my life and being alive, I will not believe Bramley Moore is actually happening until I am sitting in my seat but it is down to Kenwright persuading Mr Moshiri to come here that is giving life and expectation to a greater dream.
Without Kenwright's love of EFC, he would never have got Moshiri to come here and we would never even be able to moan and get angry about Koeman's tenure at all, nor the money spent if it wasn't for Mr Kenwright.
I love you for being an Evertonian, Christine, but without Mr Kenwright and all those before him, with him and Moshiri after him, we would not have our beloved football club and people like me would not have had the sheer delight of the Kendall & Harvey days and my life would be so much poorer except for my 23-year-old boss Evertonian lad, Gabriel; the only experience and joy that can top the lot.
God bless our football club and all Evertonians.
101 Posted 03/02/2021 at 04:10:07
And now he wants to use it as an excuse as to why he was no good at the job. They say those who forget the errors of the past are doomed to repeat them: Messi, anybody?
102 Posted 03/02/2021 at 04:16:06
I do agree to one thing I could never work out: why Everton have not splashed the cash on a striker instead of midfielders and wingers considering Everton have always had a better-than-average centre-forward throughout their history?
103 Posted 03/02/2021 at 04:24:26
In terms of living in the past, I assumed when I saw the headline that it referenced his management philosophy and style. Fascinating to see that unravel real-time at Barca.
104 Posted 03/02/2021 at 06:12:08
Lousy manager (had some success in Holland, years ago... not much since).
Been collecting a paycheque on reputation alone since 2009.
In it for the money. (I can't blame him for that. I'd do the same if clubs kept throwing millions my way...) I wish he'd shut up, though.
105 Posted 03/02/2021 at 06:57:29
106 Posted 03/02/2021 at 07:35:40
Christine, I am generalising and stereotyping on the Dutch psyche. Amsterdam is the capital and generally more outward looking. I worked / lived on the border with Limburg in the south.
Just as our capital is more cosmopolitan and liberal in comparison to the North West (for example) who are more direct and hard faced by nature. And yes, on both counts that is generalising and stereotyping as you will find examples of both in either region.
We all agree, Koeman was a poor manager for Everton. The worst? I still feel sad that Sam Allardyce was ever associated with Everton Football Club and Mike Walker's reign still gives me PTSD.
Looks like Sam's firehose has lost it's connection to the hydrant and run dry by the way.
107 Posted 03/02/2021 at 08:32:18
Dane #100, do you wear a MEGA hat?
Your post just has a kind of slightly Trumpy (?)..um.. 'evangelical' tone.
"U.S-manov!! U.S-manov!! U.S-manov!!"
108 Posted 03/02/2021 at 08:38:03
The antithesis of someone like Joe Royle.
109 Posted 03/02/2021 at 08:47:37
Believe it or not, there are quite a few females who post here on TW. This is about 15 years all up for me, so have seen the good the bad and the ugly.
My singular line regarding the tenancy of Bill Kenwright is my opinion and I am sure you are just as adamant in yours; there has been so much written already regarding that, I would rather not dredge up the debate but leave you with your perspective.
Suffice to say that it was mentioned in relation to the comment by Koeman that we are living in the past, especially when the near present was filled with a club that barely survived financially with no investment and poor management throughout.
As a result, we did live in the past because it was all we had and the hope it would get better. Koeman in his comments didn't "get" Everton and did not understand exactly why we believed in something he clearly didn't.
Dane, I hope the club has now entered a new phase in its being and we can leave all that behind; it may take a few more years but I hope the corner we are turning is not another roundabout!
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112 Posted 03/02/2021 at 10:08:16
A clever man is Blue Bill. He has to be, given the amount of disciples he accrues.
113 Posted 03/02/2021 at 10:28:02
I'm positive there are more Evertonians who like Kenwright than dislike him.
The one point that always irks me is when people say “Kenwright is one of us”. Well I've followed Everton for a long time and never met a Blue who even remotely resembled anyone like Kenwright as a fellow Blue, never ever.
114 Posted 03/02/2021 at 10:32:20
If Bill had been around in the 1800s he could have made a living out of charming the snake oil charmers, such is his ability.
115 Posted 03/02/2021 at 10:49:58
Koeman has won nothing as a manager yet displays all the arrogance of a man who has won everything you can in the game, whereas Ancelotti, who has won everything, shows not one jot of arrogance.
Koeman decided to live way outside the City region instead, choosing to live as far away as possible. For those who think there is no issue with that, could you imagine a Man Utd manager living in the suburbs of Liverpool? Where Ancelotti based himself a short bike ride from the City centre, as he was quite happy bumping into fans.
Koeman sold most of our promising young players: Barkley, Deulofeu, Lookman – and actually encouraged Lukaku to leave to better himself. We have seen the difference under Ancelotti with more youngsters training with the first team and getting game time.
I know that Ancelotti has got his critics on TW but thank God we have a proven winner rather than a serial loser and moaner, and during this interview his arrogance shines through as not once does he admit to his mistakes. For me personally, I think he looked at Everton as being a tiny step up from Southampton, but it gave him a massive hike in his salary.
The only thing that was constant with Koeman was his desire to manage Barca, well it doesn't seem to be going very well but that won't surprise any Evertonian.
117 Posted 03/02/2021 at 10:55:59
Koeman 2016: "If Romelu was to play at Everton until the end of his career, I know he has left something (behind). His potential is greater and higher than Everton as a final destination."
(Independent.ie: "Ronald Koeman makes bizarre statement suggesting Lukaku needs to leave Everton to fulfill potential")
So, you arsehole, who was responsible for literally escorting Lukaku out of the door?
The worst manager in my years of following Everton (Moyes years onwards) bar none – not even Sam Allardyce. At least Sam did what he was asked to do, ie, keep us up in the league.
As much more eloquent posters before me have posted, Koeman's tenure was the most damaging in recent history, and we were lucky, very lucky that we managed to claw back from the brink of relegation. As someone else suggested, if I was Moshiri, I would sue him in court for dereliction of duty.
118 Posted 03/02/2021 at 11:22:18
A cold fish. A mercenary and a cunt.
119 Posted 03/02/2021 at 11:58:52
that's a great find. It's him!
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121 Posted 03/02/2021 at 13:08:50
Koeman was more than welcome to buy a new striker if that was the key missing element.
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124 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:12:44
His departure from Ajax was less than harmonious, after big rows with the then Technical Director Louis van Gaal (who quit as a result).
Ok, he did a good job at Southampton, and Moshiri made the wrong choice, as we now know in hindsight.
I thought at the time it would come good. How very wrong I was.
Another one one of Koeman's mistakes was not to bring Dusan Tadic with him from his old club. His fee would have been similar to Klassen's, never mind Sigurdsson's...
Tadic is still playing Champions League for Ajax, and is mostly one of their best players.
The thrashing at home by Atalanta, I'm still angry about, it was on my birthday.
Many have used the adjective's arrogant and clueless. Spot on.
I wonder how long he'll last at Barca? He'll get fired at one point, I've said so to a mate in the Summer.
125 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:25:15
Here's a little quiz for you.
Q: Assuming Bill Kenwright actually paid for his Everton shares with his own money, how much has he subsequently pocketed from the club as pure profit?
b: Only what was due him as the beloved Chairman of Everton FC
c: Only reasonable business and travel costs in the line of duty
d: A couple of million pounds
e: Over £20M pounds
Take your time. No prizes.
126 Posted 03/02/2021 at 16:04:00
MK. "Assuming Bill Kenwright actually paid for his Everton shares with his own money." Have you evidence to suggest otherwise?
I'm asuming you do all your work pro bono?
Eugene (strange comment even by your standards) Dane and I wear MEGA hats. You should try one.
127 Posted 03/02/2021 at 16:10:50
The failures always make excuses. Fat Sam still can't understand why he wasn't liked and claims he got the boot because of a press campaign.
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130 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:34:44
But for what it is worth, I do not despise or hate Bill Kenwright. In my own simple (and as I say not very well read up) view. I see someone who is an Evertonian as much as the rest of us. I get Dave's point, he is a Blue who demonstrates more overly sentimental, over-the-top emotional sentiment that I would associate with a Kopite, but I don't doubt his Everton-ness.
As I see it, he picked us up when no-one would touch us with a barge pole and at the time, I was just glad to be rid of Johnson.
He has hung on too long and even in the Moshiri years has been until recently wielding too much influence. But then maybe that is Moshiri's problem to sort out.
The Bill debate isn't really my thing but thought I'd chip in as I don't believe he is the demon many make him out to be. Well, not through intent anyway.
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134 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:45:21
Look, I think Kenwright should have let go years ago and his continued influence even when Moshiri came in. set us back yet again. The "our Wayne" homecoming, the manager appointments, they all had Kenwright stamp on them until we appointed Ancelloti.
But the rot had set in before that. I believe it goes back to the very season after we won the league in 1987. Our only player investment was Ian Wilson - remember him?! With Dr David Marsh at the helm, we went into reverse and failed to jump on the inevitable Premier League bandwagon when were still a name. We are still a name of course, but you get my meaning. By the time we woke up, we were surviving on the last day of the season and damaged goods.
Onto the match tonight. I haven't seen the team yet!
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136 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:33:13
Still can't believe Barcelona give him the Manager job. It will take years to recover after he is gone.
137 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:33:14
Still can't believe Barcelona give him the Manager job. It will take years to recover after he is gone.
138 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:54:12
$300m to you Ronnie
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140 Posted 04/02/2021 at 05:49:47
He's now at the pinnacle of where he wanted to be, at Barcelona. When he doesn't win as much as he should from his privileged position, it will be everyone else's fault. Exactly as it was when Holland failed to capitalise on winning the Euros in '88. No team could live up to his ego as a player except Barcelona... and it's the same for his managerial career. It wasn't Southampton's players who did well, no, it was him.
I'm sure in his own mind he single-handedly got Holland to the heights of the final of the mighty 2018–19 UEFA Nations League... only to lose, which undoubtedly was a surprise (he did get 'surprised' a lot in his disasterous Everton spell by other managers), in the final.
He is now at his beloved Barca. Before long he'll be rewriting history, his own history, in bars to whomever will listen to the curly-tailed turd.
141 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:03:15
I was wondering why our away form has been decent and home form not great. Ever since Moyes left and our style of play as well as the game in general have changed, we seem to be suspicious of the passing game. Remember the John Stones scenario in terms of playing out from the back and getting in trouble and booed by his own fans ? Well, like it or not the game is now all about chasing others down, pressing and stopping others from playing. Personally I don't like it as I feel it kills creativity and focuses more on athleticism. Many Evertonians love a fight, the dogs of war and a good crunching tackle. Often our team is afraid to move forward with the ball and pass it back far too often - maybe we still haven't replaced Arteta (until now at least) - and the fear of failure seems to be there. That fear seems to be less present when playing away from home - maybe due to the fans expectations - maybe due to the fact that as the home team you are expected to take the game to the away team - and we haven't the confidence to do that especially with a slow midfield and when simple mistakes are so often punished.
So long story short, I believe that RK is partly correct (even if I don't like him) - we love and know our history, but we need to decide as a club about managing the expectations - allowing players to make mistakes - if they don't take risks (at least the younger ones) they will never grown and learn and continue to be fearful of failure. We need to give them chances, to accept that they will make those mistakes, that we will love them for trying - but we also need to allow managers to have the time they need to adapt, fix years of mistakes and to grow their own team. Patience is a virtue, football management is not magic, or even money - it's balancing act between team effort, spirit and talent. Starvation of success + huge investment means we want the success now, but we're not the only ones thinking that way.
142 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:56:07
143 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:28:27
That was caused by players not able to pass, players not available for a pass, and an absence of final-third play. Koeman talked about the high press. He had not a clue how to implement it or the type of players required.
If someone at Everton had read Pass Spanish Newspapers, that information was there in black and white. Koeman at Everton was a carbon copy. Southampton performances were based on a solid backroom regime, not on Koeman. That's why someone (or group) is going to get hung in Barcelona for letting him be the manager.
The fans can read Spanish Newpapers and they are raging, according to a cousin of mine who lived in Barcelona for 25 years and still has friends there.
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159 Posted 05/02/2021 at 09:50:06
Wasn't there a rumour he spent most of his time on the golf course?
Of course he had the opportunity to make us great again but he wasn't up to it, the arrogant bitter old man.
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164 Posted 09/02/2021 at 13:35:24
As the Dutch commentator put it, Koeman didn't think him good enough, so he bought Pickford. A real improvement...
165 Posted 16/02/2021 at 22:53:46
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