A decision on Everton's proposed 52,888-seat stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock has been delayed after the Government requested more time to review the project.
The club's planning application was approved unanimously by Liverpool City Council last month but due to the scale of the £500m scheme is awaiting a final green light from Westminster. Due to its scale, Secretary of State for Housing and Development, Robert Jenrick, has asked for an extension to the initial 21-day scrutiny period in order to fully consider the plan.
A council spokesman confirmed that Mr Jenrick's office had requested the extension and the Liverpool Echo report that the delay wasn't unexpected. "This instruction has been accepted in accordance with national planning law," the spokesman said.
Everton are hoping to begin work on the stadium project this summer and begin the process of moving away from their current home at Goodison Park, a notion first proposed 25 years ago.
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1 Posted 16/03/2021 at 12:24:04
2 Posted 16/03/2021 at 13:04:13
"The government has asked for more time to consider Everton's planning application for a new stadium at Bramley-Moore dock - with the anticipated 21-day scrutiny period since Liverpool City council's approval of the plans passing tomorrow.
"Neither the City Council nor Everton have been surprised by the request, given the scale and complexity of the project.
"And neither party is concerned by the instruction.
"A spokesperson for Liverpool City Council said: “Liverpool City Council has been informed by the Department of Housing, Communities and Local Government that the Secretary of State has requested more time to consider the resolution to approve Everton Football Clubs planning application to build a new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock. This instruction has been accepted in accordance with national planning law.
"The request is standard practice for a project of this size and falls under Article 31 of the Town and Country Planning (Development Management Procedure) (England) Order 2015. The Echo understands the council was expecting such a request.
"There is no guidance on how much longer central government intend to scrutinise the plans but they are mindful of Everton's ambitions to have the stadium ready for the 2024/25 season".
3 Posted 16/03/2021 at 13:21:47
4 Posted 16/03/2021 at 13:28:20
5 Posted 16/03/2021 at 13:30:28
6 Posted 16/03/2021 at 13:33:20
7 Posted 16/03/2021 at 13:41:34
8 Posted 16/03/2021 at 13:49:50
Seriously though, 2020 and 2021 is showing up just how corrupt the governing infrastructure is from council to parliament. Theres greasing the wheel and then theres out right bribery.
9 Posted 16/03/2021 at 13:50:56
Davies should have done better
DCL will only appear there if were in the championship
Kenwright has spent the money on his mortgage
It will never happen.
10 Posted 16/03/2021 at 13:51:27
The Minister has obviously had to deal with this pandemic, get his vaccinations, feel crap for a day or two and then worry about clots. No, not the people working in his department and where is the PPE coming from?
Anyone might think there's no foundation to this delay...well, no foundations just yet. I mean, it's not as though this government has had delays before. oh, hang on.
11 Posted 16/03/2021 at 14:10:43
How about they thank Everton and all involved in this brilliant project and agree to share some of the costs or at least loan us the funds at an agreeably low rate?
Could this possibly be to buy a little extra time for government to work out how official's, their families, friends and associates can make money from it by setting up companies that are imperative to oversee that the new "freeports" aka FEEports are correctly managed?
Still on track, another 3.5 years.
12 Posted 16/03/2021 at 14:13:30
13 Posted 16/03/2021 at 14:15:16
14 Posted 16/03/2021 at 14:37:22
15 Posted 16/03/2021 at 15:20:40
16 Posted 16/03/2021 at 15:49:50
17 Posted 16/03/2021 at 16:03:51
It's whatever you want it to be really. Personally, I'll probably go for the standard planning stuff.
18 Posted 16/03/2021 at 16:48:28
Government always tells councils to hurry up, but does its own work at a snail's pace. You don't think ministers do any actual work do you? Money for old rope, and planning is a cushy number compared to other ministerial jobs.
19 Posted 16/03/2021 at 17:05:25
So normalized now are government machinations, who could judge what is the position. Could be a simple backlog, time needed to gather more information etc. Hell, they might even be refining and firming up the evidence to support the positive decision they've already made.
20 Posted 16/03/2021 at 17:10:37
21 Posted 16/03/2021 at 17:21:48
22 Posted 16/03/2021 at 17:23:56
23 Posted 16/03/2021 at 17:45:34
He said his elderly parents were ill and he had to take groceries to them. What? It was of course all swept under the carpet, with a Ministerial/Old Boys nod and a smack with a feather duster on the back of the legs.
Synonymously around the time that Dominic Cummings made the now famous sojourn to Barnard Castle, incurring an Optician's visit before returning to the well deserved flak it merited at the time.
Again, with reference to the aforementioned Robert Jenrick, again involved in a Planning Application U Turn, in favour of one of his Donors or Personal Private Investments to have Millionaire's Luxury Homes built, in a scheme that had been designated/earmarked for Affordable Homes in the London Area? So, we are expected or trust him to make a decision?
Best of luck on that one. One Rule for them, another for us Orcs and Trolls!
24 Posted 16/03/2021 at 17:56:52
25 Posted 16/03/2021 at 18:39:21
It's happening, we just have to go through the teeth pulling process first.
26 Posted 16/03/2021 at 18:50:52
27 Posted 16/03/2021 at 18:51:13
28 Posted 16/03/2021 at 18:51:29
29 Posted 16/03/2021 at 18:56:14
30 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:01:12
Approval possibly timed to give maximum positive impact for the government in the May local elections?
31 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:05:26
I'd be amazed if he had gone this far with an understanding it could fall through. I think he would have pulled the plug long ago if that were the case.
32 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:27:31
After few weeks delay it will approved.
33 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:30:42
If the Freeport, the skyscrapers (Manhattan on the Mersey), the cruise ships, the clubs, shopping and cultural centres start to be built, Moshiris investments could be worth billions!!
Liverpool (as a city) could bury Manchester once and for all, and even compete with London as an attractive destination for the best players in the world.
The world is our oyster. We just need this Tory sod to get his finger out of his arse.
34 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:36:02
35 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:39:39
36 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:42:24
The problem with the application has always been is it sits in the buffer zone of a World Heritage Site. There is undoubtedly an argument to make that economic benefit outweighs any harm and one of course the Council has supported.
However because that argument is there to be made to the contrary even if the application does not get called in, it could still be challenged in the Courts and UNESCO have deep pockets.
37 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:43:23
Thats a no. They are still considering wether to call it in
38 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:44:01
39 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:44:31
40 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:47:38
41 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:49:24
No wrongdoing was intended in any of those unfortunate incidents. "Honest" Robert Jenrick is as straight as they come (by Conservative Party standards).
What intrigues me is the statement that he, and his department, 'requested' more time. Does this mean Everton or LCC could have turned down the request?
Paul #34 and Brent #35
It hasn't been called in. No decision has been made. It's simply a request for more time to examine what is a huge project of over 200 pages.
42 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:50:43
43 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:51:41
44 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:56:08
It is a totally normal practise - certainly in a project as large and as sensitive as BMD (1200 pages of detailed submission to consider, opposed by World Heritage).
Being called in is another animal altogether and would mitigate considerable delay or even refusal, as those who remember Everton's Kirkby stadium proposal will recall.
In other news - and it's not great news for Saturday - Jordan Pickford has been ruled out for the cup quarter final v City with an abdominal muscle injury.
Olsen still injured? Could we be relying on Virginia?
45 Posted 16/03/2021 at 19:58:43
46 Posted 16/03/2021 at 20:13:09
Update.......and Kevin De Bruyne scores a screamer!!
47 Posted 16/03/2021 at 20:37:34
I do think the young keeper done well against Burnley so given he was thrown in at the deep end so to speak.
48 Posted 16/03/2021 at 20:38:14
As for this 'Whilst I have no problems with them winning the competition, I hope half their team get crocked tonight'.
Like to double up on the number of injuries Rob?
City's BENCH tonight:
Aké, Sterling, Gabriel Jesus, Agüero, Zinchenko, Steffen, Laporte, Torres, Mendy, Fernandinho, Carson, García.
Best not put up our bench by comparison in the last 3-4 games.
Thumping goal by KdB. Lovely no look pass by Foden in setting up Gundogan for the 2nd.
There for the taking on Saturday. (Cough!).
49 Posted 16/03/2021 at 20:47:02
50 Posted 16/03/2021 at 20:49:47
51 Posted 16/03/2021 at 21:03:18
52 Posted 16/03/2021 at 21:51:11
Its all about the detail in any planning application and how it fulfils planning guidelines. As BMD is in the buffer zone it had extra hurdles to get over to get permission. Therefore a delay is not surprising once the initial permission has been granted. That doesnt necessarily mean it will get called in and in fact a detailed analysis at this stage may be helpful should the application get challenged in the Supreme Court which is not an unfeasible outcome.
Personally I dont see a scenario where there isnt either a calling in or further legal challenge despite the optimism of many posters.
53 Posted 16/03/2021 at 21:55:56
As it stands, even though this Government I suspect is supportive given it's "levelling up" ticket, we have to go through the process of local Government justifying to central Government why it's a good idea.
Jay (BRZ), if we pretend we are Everton 1987 and they are City 1987, they are there for the taking!!
54 Posted 16/03/2021 at 22:13:53
55 Posted 16/03/2021 at 22:53:13
56 Posted 16/03/2021 at 22:59:22
57 Posted 16/03/2021 at 23:20:23
58 Posted 17/03/2021 at 00:40:21
The proposed metallurgical coal mine at Whitehaven has been called in due the Government paying undue attention to a campaign of half truths and outright lies by by environmental activists. The vast majority of local people and Copeland Council desperately want it to go ahead
Historic England and UNESCO appear to be the only serious objectors to BMD and seem certain to be overruled.
59 Posted 17/03/2021 at 08:28:07
Hopefully it is that timescale applied in this case even though it is a local scheme with the initial decisions made locally.
60 Posted 18/03/2021 at 08:28:37
As others have said, a report will be in the bowels of his department somewhere and will no doubt emerge just before the the May local elections.
61 Posted 18/03/2021 at 09:02:43
If this is true then another brand new stadium already built would only strengthen his bid
62 Posted 18/03/2021 at 09:24:23
Paraphrasing only slightly, he said: "Where there are environmental concerns, two valid reasons for going ahead would be:
(i) If the (environmental) concern can be mitigated
(ii) If the economic benefits to the local community outweigh any other concern
If you subsitute Environment for Heritage, then BMD should sail through, except that Jenrick and his mates are at best incompetent and at worst corrupt.
He also said the external inquiry into the Cumbrian mine would not report until the end of this year.
63 Posted 18/03/2021 at 09:55:21
So approval will be pushed back into the cupboard until that has gone away.
64 Posted 18/03/2021 at 10:26:29
65 Posted 18/03/2021 at 10:27:27
66 Posted 18/03/2021 at 10:49:21
What else does Jenrick need to persuade him of the ‘economic benefits?
67 Posted 18/03/2021 at 11:53:48
Maybe an offer from Usmanov to buy a £10k table at the next Tory fundraiser.
It certainly worked for "Dirty Dick" Desmond.
68 Posted 18/03/2021 at 12:11:08
69 Posted 18/03/2021 at 12:35:13
70 Posted 18/03/2021 at 12:54:32
71 Posted 18/03/2021 at 13:02:03
A small fence and common sense. So expect it to happen every match day! :)
72 Posted 18/03/2021 at 13:07:28
“Alone, every night … I would stand with a glass of wine, looking out at the magnificent view over the river, and ask myself what had gone wrong for this great English city. The Mersey, its lifeblood, flowed as majestically as ever down from the hills. Its monumental Georgian and Victorian buildings, created with such pride, still dominated the skyline. The Liver Building itself, the epicentre of a trading system that had reached out to the four corners of the earth, stood defiant and from my perspective very alone…everything had gone wrong.“
73 Posted 18/03/2021 at 14:01:53
74 Posted 18/03/2021 at 14:21:01
75 Posted 18/03/2021 at 15:23:09
76 Posted 18/03/2021 at 23:41:07
Make no mistake, if not for FFP, Usmanov would be our owner by now; keeping outside the club allows him to plough money into the club without FFP restrictions.
77 Posted 19/03/2021 at 00:31:01
78 Posted 19/03/2021 at 01:17:53
The big boys bought and bought, then, when they had enough, FFP then drew the drawbridge up for the also-rans to compete, to ensure the darlings qualified for the Champions League each season.
As long as they keep getting extra spending for Champions League qualification, they will remain there season after season, unless one starts to fall down the ladder, then they will use the performances over so many seasons in the Competition, to ensure they still have a place.
The also-rans do not have a chance, unless FFP is changed.
79 Posted 19/03/2021 at 12:05:42
With the latest delay I've left a note with my Will wishing my ashes to be part of the dock infill.
80 Posted 19/03/2021 at 12:15:00
Im a bit that way myself. Wanting to take my sons and grandson together as often as I can.
81 Posted 19/03/2021 at 12:15:39
Financial Fair Play is the perfect example of an oxymoron; all about finance and fuck all to do with fairness.
82 Posted 19/03/2021 at 12:44:22
84 Posted 20/03/2021 at 09:00:07
I'm fairly sure I'll still be around when the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock opens... but will I be fit enough to get there?!
85 Posted 20/03/2021 at 09:05:42
86 Posted 20/03/2021 at 09:16:54
87 Posted 20/03/2021 at 23:50:23
88 Posted 21/03/2021 at 00:14:30
89 Posted 21/03/2021 at 09:59:31
I'm sure the government intervention will add to delays though.
90 Posted 21/03/2021 at 19:03:14
With all the billions of taxpayers cash they've thrown abroad to their mates for dodgy PPE, they may need to put something back in the kitty, and we could benefit, as Bramley-Moore Dock will be a cash injection for the treasury and the City Region.
91 Posted 21/03/2021 at 19:59:38
92 Posted 22/03/2021 at 03:49:16
Should I be worried? I hope I am conflating these stories erroneously.
93 Posted 22/03/2021 at 09:51:23
"Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick has confirmed he has received a report from local government inspectors investigating financial irregularities in the awarding of building contracts in the city."
CONFIRMED: Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick has received Max Caller's governance inspection report into Liverpool City Council. As per @christopherhope.
‘Next steps will be set out shortly'. These could include commissioners being sent in to run the council.
Read the Echo this morning about the biggest crook in the North West: Elliot Lawless. Finally, the truth is coming out – he has had his media puppets writing wonderful articles about him being the saviour of developments such as Aura, Residence and Infinity, when all three have been placed into administration.
Any building, planning, regeneration plans, etc will come under absolute scrutiny. Time to get completely rid of this Labour-run council, which is destroying our city and giving it a terrible name worldwide.
94 Posted 22/03/2021 at 09:57:30
95 Posted 22/03/2021 at 10:05:19
Do you live in Liverpool?
96 Posted 22/03/2021 at 10:37:29
Tony A, yes, Id forgotten about the potential concerts. A great thought. Ill have to think about who Id like to see live there. Most of my lot are knocking on a bit or knocking on Heavens door!, from the inside! Loads of ramps and wheelchair access, and thats just the stage!
97 Posted 22/03/2021 at 10:37:33
98 Posted 22/03/2021 at 12:10:56
As an alternative, Sean? We could ask an organisation that is rife with corruption to oversee it all. One that gets its friends to form a company dealing with health issues, PPE etc.
Then, despite said company not having a single day's experience in past dealing with PPE and only being formed 44 days ago, awards them a contract to supply PPE for £250 million?
How about Dido Harding being awarded 6-figure contracts to fight Covid despite no prior experience? Her husband, John Penrose, was awarded the anti-corruption post by the Tories. Whether he had a look at his missus getting a fortune is open to debate.
Matt Hancock awarded a PPE contract for tens of millions to the lad who managed his local pub. The list of corruption is obvious.
Any investigatons of this conniving? Behave yourself. Not a chance of that happening.
99 Posted 23/03/2021 at 10:57:31
100 Posted 23/03/2021 at 11:04:53
101 Posted 23/03/2021 at 11:23:34
102 Posted 23/03/2021 at 11:58:52
From de wirrel
103 Posted 23/03/2021 at 13:19:14
There has been a serious lack of development in Liverpool for a long time. We can't just blame government managed decline. Planning in Liverpool has been under a cloud since the days of Derek Hatton.
The comparison with Manchester is night and day. Similar sized cities, one is forward thinking and full of development whilst the other can't build a hospital or only has local shady businessmen pulling strings.
Whilst I agree that involving Jenrick is like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire, it doesn't surprise me that the new stadium project at Bramley-Moore Dock should come under closer scrutiny.
104 Posted 23/03/2021 at 13:37:46
I knew Kenwright must have entrusted Stringer Bell and Avon Barksdale with that "ring-fenced" stadium money.
105 Posted 23/03/2021 at 13:48:55
Can you explain that please?
106 Posted 23/03/2021 at 14:22:55
107 Posted 23/03/2021 at 14:46:41
I'm from the Wirral and I believe my season ticket cost the same as someone from Liverpool, or anywhere else for that matter.
What's the problem?
108 Posted 23/03/2021 at 14:54:23
Posters gave the ruling political party in Liverpool a bit of stick. I supported the Labour party. Nothing to see, move on.
109 Posted 23/03/2021 at 15:28:20
110 Posted 23/03/2021 at 16:57:32
The same people, Hatton included get asked regularly to help with enquiries over a number of years to do with property dealing within the city. That is widely reported in the media.
Maybe there is just a load of smoke and no fire or maybe it's a witch hunt. I look at the likes of Manchester, the big business and development it attracts then look at Liverpool.
111 Posted 23/03/2021 at 17:45:36
Not sure who you are talking about there.
Any chance of any names?
One question I would ask.
Have there been any charges brought against the people you speak of?
112 Posted 24/03/2021 at 11:35:10
I know the club said that they have the availability to increase the capacity by installing safe standing areas, would seem madness not to incorporate them permanently into our new stadium. I think that would take up our capacity to around the 60,000 many fans wanted.
113 Posted 24/03/2021 at 11:56:20
114 Posted 24/03/2021 at 12:02:49
115 Posted 24/03/2021 at 13:31:35
116 Posted 24/03/2021 at 15:57:57
" nothing to see here move on"
" has any charges been made?"
You seem to be strangely untroubled by these events for a Labour supporter of this city.
Yes, the Tory government have many skeletons in their collective cupboard but I think you have to face up to this absolute unprecedented embarrassment for the city of Liverpool and the Labour party.
Someone mentioned Everton not going with the LCC loan idea to fund the stadium was prudent ( I think was the term used) to me it is ominous in hindsight.
Maybe Evertons hierarchy seen what was going on, the idea was certainly off the table quickly without much talk about why.
I like all of us here hope this doesn't stop the progress of BMD that would be another embarrassing calamity.
Oh and I'm from Liverpool and a Labour supporter for the record.
117 Posted 24/03/2021 at 16:12:35
I am indeed untroubled by "these events"
Seen the character assasinations through the media many times.
A tiny percentage of media coverage when the person is released without charge compared to the front page headlines when they are first brought in.
NONE of the people mentioned have been charged with anything.
Innocent until proved guilty.
Private money funding the stadium. Not council funding.
118 Posted 24/03/2021 at 16:14:56
119 Posted 24/03/2021 at 16:16:15
120 Posted 24/03/2021 at 16:34:10
It was me who used the word prudent to describe the decision not to take up the Councils offer of finance.
Since these issues were first raised in 2019, Id be astonished if nobody at Everton had not been aware of the undercurrents. If wed taken them up on the offer, that might have been ominous.
And as Thomas has said, since that time no charges have yet been made, but as far as I can see, this has less to do with personalities than with culture, management and business practices, or lack thereof. Which doesnt mean it isnt dodgy, or perhaps allows dodginess to go on.
An article in the Echo now about this and its effect on BMD, which is pretty superficial.
121 Posted 24/03/2021 at 16:57:02
I wish I could share your optimism, the fact is there will be now be Government officials in place for 3 years " monitoring " how this council is run.
You surely have to see the seriousness of the situation, the credibility damaged.
While I share your belief in innocent until proven guilty, how does a leader of a City the size of Liverpool find himself embroiled in this investigation?
That in itself tells you that something stinks here far more than your average " media propaganda ".
I am fully aware that Everton intend to finance this privately Thomas, my point was how the win/win situation of the LCC loan was dropped so quickly without much debate. I mentioned it was ominous in retrospect.
What put them off?, did they know about a Police investigation? or did they know about what the Pilice were investigating?
122 Posted 24/03/2021 at 17:12:06
They hate this city with a passion.
Brought about by our general refusal to stick to the status quo.
They hate our elected representatives as well.
Away from that.
See Ricky Tomlinson got cleared from the character assassination that saw him go to prison 50 years ago.
Just the 50 years it took to clear them. On the same evidence available 50 years ago
123 Posted 24/03/2021 at 17:24:06
I think we have a lot in common but we will have to disagree on this one.
I went to see Ricky Tomlinson speak about the stitch up that left him and others in prison for simply striking at numerous sites.
I hope it gives him some satisfaction because I honestly don't know how you would feel in the circumstances.
Without being morbid at least he is alive to see it.
124 Posted 24/03/2021 at 17:26:18
Also find it rather strange that when questioned the Chief of Police for Liverpool said they had decided not to try and get a court to extend Andersons bail, because Kavanagh had been removed from his post and that Jenrick was about to put Liverpool under Government control. What relevance does that have to Andersons bail. I have no idea whether Anderson is guilty of any of the charges levelled against him, but to have this countries most corrupt politicians be making decisions for our City is a joke.
125 Posted 24/03/2021 at 17:39:55
126 Posted 24/03/2021 at 17:40:57
A disgrace Brent.
Another victim of the Economic League organisation.
127 Posted 24/03/2021 at 17:41:10
128 Posted 24/03/2021 at 18:14:36
I bet I was on the list!
129 Posted 24/03/2021 at 18:17:07
Qualifications were you had to be a trade union member.
And.. . .
Mr Jenrick said the "Best Value inspection", commissioned in December, had found "multiple apparent failures" and a "deeply concerning picture of mismanagement" in some functions at the Labour-run authority
"Multiple apparent failures"
What does that mean?
"A deeply concerning mis management."
They throw these cover all statements out then leave it to the publics imagination
130 Posted 24/03/2021 at 18:45:00
The report was prepared by a consultant, and that is typical consultant- speak. After the lawyers have vetted it.
If he is any good, and none of us know that, you can bet your life there will possibly be all sorts of shit behind the headlines theyve made public. I doubt its even legal at this stage, to be too explicit, before theyve dug into it
I hate this government and all it stands for, but even this grisly gang wouldnt manufacture this with everything else theyre fucking up.
Although frankly, nothing would surprise me.
131 Posted 24/03/2021 at 18:59:43
"it must be true, it was in the echo/mail etc.
It must be true it was on the telly"
If they have justifiable charges ready. Charge them.
Until that day arrives they will remain innocent.
132 Posted 24/03/2021 at 19:09:02
Main victims either way? People of Liverpool
133 Posted 24/03/2021 at 19:35:30
Not a "clearance" of his name in my book the gobshite has always been a nasty little extremist and archetypal professional scouse stereotype. The stereotype that has caused this city so much trouble over the years
Tomlinson couldn't lie straight in bed
134 Posted 24/03/2021 at 19:56:49
Didnt Ricky donate £1 million to Alder Hey Childrens Hospital?
135 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:10:25
I see you offer no evidence of his guilt in this case.
136 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:11:46
Just googled his worth apparently it's in the $20 million bracket and bear in mind charitable gifts are tax deductable. I think once past your first million with everything paid for and the dough still rolling in you're looking for ways to get rid of your loot.
Not that it has any bearing on his activist tendencies
137 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:12:56
Why on earth should I?
138 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:13:25
Tax deductable of course
139 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:16:14
Not really any of your business is it?
140 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:16:54
141 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:18:11
142 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:18:48
Which matters to me exactly why???
143 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:21:03
He makes his money from public appearances it's like someone saying those lads in blue you support are private geezers so stop opining about them.
You haven't thought this through
144 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:23:18
Where do I start with that post?
The police managed to put 3 of them in prison with their fucked up evidence.
I'd say that was a result for them twats, OJ Simpson murdered and mutilated 2 people.
Anyway up the Blues!! I better try and get this back football related.
Any ideas for the name of our potential new stadium??? The Joe Anderson ground???
145 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:26:35
No deflection please.
You think you can accuse him and slag him because he is a public figure?
146 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:31:26
You just confirmed my police fucked up the prosecution notion but carry on..
You also demonstrated your bizarre hatred of law enforcers who on the whole protect the freedom you are now benefitting from by venting unfettered opinion.
The new ground should be called "z cars" (joke - the attraction of a police reference tho, lol)
147 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:36:29
I just demolished this obscure line of yours by referencing you opining about Everton players it isn't deflection it is holing waffle below the water line.
Your inference critical opinion of public figures does not happen whilst posting on here is at best weird and at worst shows you don't pay attention.
148 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:40:01
You can have a start on the replacement local conservative committee tomorrow Barry.
Working alongside the cavalry.
Report to Millenium House 8am.
(don't forget your knee pads)
149 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:45:03
150 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:45:59
Absolutely no idea what you're on about but terrific to see your digging has stopped - what a monumental hole you were making
151 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:47:24
Lends your knee pads
152 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:47:47
EXACTLY!! so why did you bring it up?
153 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:50:14
No pads but I can get you a mini digger at very reasonable money 😜😜
154 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:51:26
155 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:51:42
156 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:53:57
So if the Police hadn't fucked up the prosecution how many years would the defendants engaging in legal strike action have gotten ? 10years, hmmm
As for my " bizarre hatred of law enforcement " ? You're amazing Barry how you figured my whole opinion of the Police force by the use of one word
Twats,. yes the twats involved in putting people behind bars for no good reason.
That's a comment about the individuals involved not the whole institution.
As for them protecting the free world so I could vent my unfettered opinion ?
I will right a letter to the Chief of Police tomorrow thanking them for this.
And you can follow suit with your unfettered opinion displayed at post 133.
Funny you never mentioned your tasteless comparison with OJ Simpson on your response, can you clear up that comparison again.
157 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:56:14
When something doesn't matter to you the best policy is to just keep quiet and maybe boil a kettle and get the biccies out. Ginger nuts, fig rolls and chocolate chip cookies with a layer of chocolate on one side are my fave
158 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:57:19
Ok, see my above comment about biccies
159 Posted 24/03/2021 at 20:57:47
160 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:00:13
The local constabulary will be paying you a visir if you get the ginger nuts out in public Barry
161 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:06:05
Indeed, but to link to Thomas point about my "nuts" - it is "possible" for me to whip them out in public but not advisable. Ditto some of your postings here
162 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:06:28
That's not "fucking up". It's "conspiracy to pervert the course of public justice" for which a life sentence can be imposed.
I'm not a Tomlinson fan either, at all, but he was grievously wronged by the powers-that-were whose conduct was wholly unlawful, rather like BoJo's been, several times, since lying his way to election.
Given I think BoJo's got as much credibility as a turd on my shoe though, I genuinely think we'll get quick permission to build BMD so that he can use it to rave on about how "kind" to the North he's been when the next election comes.
163 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:09:09
"deliberate destruction of statements from witnesses that made criminal conviction a non-starter "
Can you cite copies of these statements for me to judge if you are talking fact or assertion pls?
164 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:09:45
"whip them out in public"
I didnt post that.
You are overcome with enthusiasm.
165 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:13:56
166 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:19:38
Dont worry about it, have a biscuit
Haha, you crack me up your bonkers !!
First that brilliant joke about Z cars and then all that stuff about ginger biscuits and stuff brilliant.
167 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:21:00
Therefore nobody can now provide copies of those statements.
Further, not only was Tomlinson grossly wronged in the first place but having to wait fifty years for exoneration shows that successive governments for five decades have continually behaved disgracefully towards justice.
168 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:37:33
Not sure the media have said the "statements" categorically carried evidence exonerating the perps indeed if any of the witnesses have lasted the course how come they have not repeated such facts to the press or authorities?
Lots of inferences but nothing in the way of hard evidence to say these guys are innocent. Identifying a fucked up prosecution case is not the same thing as declaring someone innocent - hang them I say
169 Posted 24/03/2021 at 21:41:19
You keep confirming my points but don't seem to realise it are you ok?
170 Posted 24/03/2021 at 22:39:19
If I'd made such a statement and then watched innocent people be convicted and imprisoned I'd like to think I'd try to be heard. That said, in Tomlinson's case PM Edward Heath had a secret unit engage with MI5 to do something severe about mass picketing, the like of which had been used in the '71 Miners' strike to damage the government massively.
The government then and now can use "D" notices (in their jargon) to repress the media on the grounds of alleged (but not explained) "national security". The media are careful not to broadcast untruthful material re the government. Before publication on anything relating to government/police conduct they always first ask the government/police for comment, to cover themselves. That's when the "D" notice is imposed.
Now I don't KNOW anything, of course.
But somebody/ies do! And that's the truth!!
171 Posted 25/03/2021 at 10:21:49
172 Posted 25/03/2021 at 11:23:21
173 Posted 25/03/2021 at 12:17:01
174 Posted 25/03/2021 at 13:05:41
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