Ancelotti calls for more consultation from football’s power brokers

Immediate disqualification for those left in this season's European competitions and banned from all European competition for the next 2 seasons at least - with qualification for the Champions League passed to the clubs who finish in the top 4 excluding any of the 6 shits effectively opening up chances for 4 of the 14 to qualify...

- but they won't. Paper over with another bout of amnesia and around we go again.

Another way of interpreting it is “if they’ve e broken the rules, of course they should be punished”.

As the first post says, our club has acted with class from the onset of this week.

Carlo is saying they sleep with with the fishes. They wake up tomorrow with a horses head.

Therein lies the problem he is part of the "elite" club and won't say "yeh, they need a fucking good kicking"

Sorry Carlo you shit out there

Let's not suddenly give the FA / Premier League and UEFA credit for the shit show they created many decades ago. Just because they have used the recent bandwagon to play victim doesn't get them off the hook in the monster they have created in my view.

I think what Carlo is saying here is that reform is needed. Football needs to stay competitive. 4 days ago, simple supporters like me had been calling for that for years.

Now whilst I admire the stance, I don't feel comfortable with the Premier League and UEFA taking the moral high ground. I'd rather clubs like Everton who came to the fore on Monday do that. And we did.

"I think what Carlo is saying here "

That's the problem his words should be an unequivocal call to nail the 6 not words to be interpreted. The reason the farago failed so miserably was influencers at Sky and Uefa and politicos like Johnson left no room for interpretation – the scam HAD to be stopped.

Already the backtracking has begun using the excuse of not punishing innocent fans and players, sorry, that is wrong. These people happily went along with reckless spending to achieve success and are therefore in full alignment with the owners.

The clubs need punishment just as surely as the scam needed stopping but of course it won't happen because of mealy-mouthed words from the footballing mafia of which Carlo is clearly one.

Since when has a manager of a football club, any football club, had the power to decide what punishments should be handed out to another football club? He isn't privy to the rules that may have been broken, he's only responsible for the players and how his team plays.

The rest of it is politics for the big-wigs to decide. Of course, there are managers out there who believe that they decide what the rules and regulations should be but they usually manage the clubs that wanted to break away.

I think Carlo has said as much as he ought to without causing a furore in the media.

Carlo, like other managers has come out and said he disagreed with it. He did previously - there was an article on here where he said so a few weeks ago.

Agree with every word and sentiment of your view in that post by the way.

But, I still retain the reality this hasn't gone away. Not what I want, but this was an opening shot across the bows. The attention will now turn to revamping the Champion's League in a way different to the current UEFA proposal.

The FA and UEFA cannot play the innocent angels in my view. They are now fighting the monster they created. But maybe, just maybe, the rest of us now have a voice in that debate.

They can sit back and watch how the new form of the European Cup will take place, hopefully a lot fairer than it has done the last few years, and will have to abide with the new formation and be glad to do so. If they don't like it, they can still break away and play with their own little clique of selfishness for as long as they like, but there will be no coming back.

Like it or lump it, it's up to them. I think these clubs, no matter how rich they are, need the rest of the clubs more than the rest of the clubs need them.

No football club and their board is above the laws and spirit of the game.

But we reset football. From the roots up and foundations, not just fix the leaks in the roof.

If the outrage out there is genuine, it shouldn't be about because the Spanish Cartel and Italian Mafia combined to try and save Real and Juventus, dressed up as saving football. It should be that we've let ourselves get to that situation.

If we're serious, we invest in our grassroots and rebuild from the bottom up. I know I'm a dreamer on this but I'll keep dreaming!!

If that is correct (and I am also assuming that since then they have not been welcomed back with open arms), they are effectively "stateless" in the footballing world.

If so, then not only do they not have a voice nor platform to have any "input" into the restructuring of any European competitions, they also have no right to participate.

I don't know where that leaves us, now, in the latter stages of this seasons European competitions?

But, if my understanding is correct, the renegade clubs shouldn't be taking any further part until they reapply to join the Uefa set up.

Now that is a statement that looks out for the working class game and the best line i've heard from anyone with status since this nonsense came out.

What I don't get is why we haven't said that or clubs in worse positions than us? Gundogan has actually spoken for fans of clubs like ours and with simple words hes said what Gary Neville should have said.

Next they'll start talking about honesty, as if they know much about it.

That way of working is too honest, open and simple to work and understand. It will never be accepted by these cheating money-grabbing bastards.

"The clubs need punishment just as surely as the scam needed stopping but of course it won't happen"

First of all, stupid, when an entity is clear and open in its intent? It's not a scam.

because of mealy-mouthed words from the footballing mafia of which Carlo is clearly one.

Ancelotti, Italy, Mafia. Well, of course!

You idiot.

Firstly, had we an 18 team Premier League last year, Moyes would be in PL2 now. Secondly, yeah of course Premier League clubs would like Rangers and Celtic to join as they're popular which means ticket sales and TV money, but above all they're shit so we could all beat them. But if we are going to add teams based on fan base and history, then why in the fuck wouldn't we add teams from our own country like Sheffield Wednesday and Sunderland? Oh because football is a meritocracy, unlike the ESL? So, in that case, Celtic and Rangers can start at the amateur level and climb their way up.

Moreover Scotland has had its own professional players longer than us so if we are to absorb them the desire to do so should come from the Particks and Queens Parks, not us picking off the heavily supported yet easy to beat teams.

Above all, I can't help but think Moyes is thinking of his next job once things go south at West Ham and he doesn't fancy the SPL so he'd rather bring the SPL to him. Well fuck him. Scotland is Scotland, England is England. We can't be hypocrites and build a superish league as a sub for a Euro one.

I posted the following:

Nobody cared about the fans when all English teams were banned from Europe after Heysel. Players and fans of Southampton, West Ham, Sheff Wed, Oxford Utd, Coventry City, Wimbledon, Luton and Derby were all denied a rare chance of European football for things that had nothing to do with their club at all.

So I am afraid that the self proclaimed "Super-6" should be punished for this betrayal of all other English clubs. This time it was the owners of the clubs who created mayhem not the fans, but I think that they should be banned from Europe competition for a good number of years - perhaps 5 years to mirror the Heysel ban. The fans would suffer yes, but then they should take their complaints to the owners of their clubs, they are to blame for all this.

I guess I wasn't allowed to mention Heysel.

On the other hand, clubs then claim it's unfair if they are punished for the actions of a minority of supporters when a few of them misbehave. Sounds like a recipe for everybody to have a complete lack of responsibility - nobody's culpable!

This Social Media blackout is well timed too, captured the weekend headlines very nicely. An excellent campaign by the way, but why this weekend of all weekends? It’s a bit of a coincidence to say the least !

It’s starting to feel like nothing happened and it’s business as usual.

It hadn't crossed my mind that the social media blackout and the European super league shenanigans might be related, but whether that is the case or not, a Public Relations exercise is well underway. As Adam Jones suggests, Everton may not want to make any more public declarations about the ESL rebels as it might do Everton FC more harm than good in the long term.

The comments relating to Adam's article show that partisanship and self-interest are at the forefront of many people's minds and justifiable punishments are to some, well off the agenda.

Everton Must Stay Strong

"Business as usual" is the key phrase for Sky et al and other such media companies because they cannot afford for the ESL 6 to be punished beyond some form of affordable fine.

If I am working on something and I can't see the game on television, I follow it on the BBC website (unless it is EFC of course!). At the top of the web page it tells you how many people are following the football on this particular page and it is quite interesting. The difference in figures if it is an ESL 6 is quite staggering. You could be looking at well in excess of 200,000 but if it is a game outside the ESL 6, it can be as low as 30,000.

That is the sort of problem the media companies are up against, so "business as usual" is of paramount importance to them.

Obviously, every fair minded and sensible supporter agrees that some form of punishment (such as a points deduction) should be administered but I just can't see where the concerted pressure is going to come from to ensure such a censure will happen.

You speak as though proud of your idiocy.

"Scam", "farago", "conniving shite" - who cares the terminology. The point is an attempt to enrich a small group at the expense of others was made. Gary Neville said the cadre of clowns were trying to "murder English football" – these are expressions of anger and disgust, not pedantic points for blockheads like you to waffle about. Sort yourself out.

Hilariously you cannot (or will not?) recognise that leading figures in football have covertly propped up a rotten status quo for years and by any measure can be classed as a footballing "mafia". Your desperation in being literal by popping in Italian references can only be seen as some weird attempt to brag about your nob.

Not necessary – everyone can see it sticking out of your head.

Ooo!! Ya "beaut"!