Everton go into the final match of the 2020-21 season with European football still within their grasp but in the knowledge they will probably need to pull off a surprise victory at Manchester City in order to seize it.
A place in the inaugural Europa Conference League is still possible for the Blues despite their horrendous home form that has seen them tumble from 2nd place on Boxing Day to 8th going into the last day of the season and there is a danger they could finish 10th if results elsewhere go against them.
A win on a ground where they haven't won for a decade will see them claim 7th spot and entry to European competition for the first time since Ronald Koeman's spell as manager if Tottenham don't win at Leicester. A draw for Carlo Ancelotti's side will be enough if Spurs lose and Arsenal don't beat Brighton at the Emirates.
Ancelotti will be without James Rodriguez and Seamus Coleman, for the trip to the Etihad Stadium, however. James was withdrawn from contention for Wednesday's win over Wolves, is ruled out this time because of his ongoing calf issues, and has been given permission by the club to return to Colombia to begin preparations for the Copa America.
Coleman, meanwhile, had to come off in the second half with an injury so Ancelotti will need to make changes to his right flank against the newly-crowned Champions. That will pose something of a dilemma for the Italian who will need to decide whether to deploy the five-man back line that has been in so many away games this season or continue with what has recently morphed into something more akin to 4-4-2, with Coleman playing right midfield.
In either case, Alex Iwobi or Bernard would be the most likely candidates to replace the skipper, unless Ancelotti wants to push someone like the more defensively-minded Abdoulaye Doucouré into the role and bring Tom Davies into central midfield to assist Allan. Otherwise, the line-up is likely to remain unchanged.
For City, this will be their coronation party in front of 10,000 fans but Pep Guardiola will have at least one eye on Saturday's Champions League final against Chelsea. The Spaniard has insisted that the six-day interval between the two games means that he won't need to rest his best players but, given the awesome depth of his squad, it's almost inconceivable that he won't leave out a few of his biggest names.
One player almost guaranteed to play a part is Sergio Agüero who plays his last game for the Citizens before leaving on a free transfer for Barcelona but it wouldn't be a surprise to see the likes of Kevin de Bruyne, Riyad Mahrez and Phil Foden start on the bench.
Everton will fall back on their terrific away record as they seek to slay another of their long-standing away hoodoos. The Blues have won 11 times on the road this season and a win at the Etihad would equal the club's record for away wins in a season.
What happens elsewhere will be out of their hands but with it being 11-vs-11 on the day, anything can happen and Everton simply need to treat it as a one-off cup tie and go for it, quality of the opposition be damned.
Kick-off: 4pm, Sunday 23 May 2021 on Sky Sports Premier League
Referee: Michael Oliver
VAR: Darren England
Last Time: Manchester City 2 - 1 Everton
Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Godfrey, Keane, Mina, Digne, Davies, Allan, Doucouré, Sigurdsson, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin
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1 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:15:16
They probably won't want to get any injuries tomorrow so it's up to us to go in hard and let them know we aren't just there for an invite to the party.
2 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:18:50
1. If we lose we will likely finish 10th. Midtable when Ancelotti said Europe was the aim. That would be utter failure. Even finishing below the position when Allardyce left.
2. Worst home record in our history.
3. If we lose we will have our lowest points since the season when Martinez was sacked. Clearly worse than Koeman, Silva, Allardyce.
4. Failure to score and it will be our second lowest league goals scored total in the last 10 years.
Stats don't lie. Ancelotti has taken the club backwards playing the worst, most negative, dull, dreary, boring, park the bus football the fans have ever had to endure.
If Europe isn't achieved then Mr Ancelotti should resign after the game tomorrow. Sacked if he doesn't.
Bring back attractive, winning football to Everton.
3 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:26:01
It's hard to argue with the stats like that.
I do think it's a bit foolish that we chased Allardyce in verbal assault chanting (something I hate turning on managers vocally) in that last home match versus Southampton in 2018.
Yet as the stats say, Allardyce took a worse team (on paper) and finished 8th.
But with Ancelotti 18 months on its another disappointing league place very much on the cards but we are apparently "heading in the right direction".
I'm not one for turning on managers not vocally and putting on a show at matches, it's been downright embarrassing to hear the stick the likes of Martinez, Silva and Allardyce have had at Goodison.
But there's no getting away from the fact is we are not really progression as a team under Ancelotti, it's a big summer and a big season for him next year.
The away record for this season should be the building platform for a better campaign next time around.
4 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:28:27
“Stats don't lie” but your stat 3 is wrong. We already have 59 points, more than we had last year, more than the season prior also. So clearly not our “worst points haul since Martinez.”
On stat 1, you make a reasonable point. Finishing 10th would not be good, although the closeness of teams in 6th to 10th offers some context.
5 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:30:17
I did one of my little read articles about this time last season saying if we are to improve to Top 6 / Top 4 level, we need about 20 more goals (at least) at the same time as equalling our best recent defensive meanness.
If we've gone backwards in goals, that is truly pathetic – but not surprising when you look at the squad.
This is basically why I'm not fussed about a new centre-half this summer. I get that it makes the team and team shape better – but right now we're desperate for a few extra attacking options.
6 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:32:04
With Pep wanting to sign him, a good game from Mason may see a massive offer coming in. 😁😁
7 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:34:48
If you could offer positive solutions instead of the constant criticism of the manager, you might get a bit more respect on this site.
8 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:35:34
Wikipedia List of Everton Managers: Win%Comparison.
Howard Kendall I - 54. 1%
Carlo Ancelotti - 46. 8%
Roberto Martinez - 42. 7%
Colin Harvey - 42. 6%
David Moyes - 42. 1%
Ronald Koeman - 41. 4%
Marco Silva - 40%
Joe Royle - 39. 8%
Howard Kendall II - 38. 9%
Sam Allardyce - 38. 5%
Walter Smith - 31. 5%
Howard Kendall III - 26. 2%
Mike Walker - 17. 1%.
Ancelotti Career total 61. 54%
9 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:39:13
Stats like that will only ever be countered by meaningless counter stats.
You can distort stats all you like, but there is one inescapable fact that bare stats cannot reveal or hide.
We have persistently tried to ruin the beautiful game since Carlo got here. People can excuse and argue all they want but we have all seen it with our own eyes.
We will never know if we could have qualified for the Champions League if the manager had demonstrated a little more courage... because he didn't. That's the sad bit.
Carlo will be here until at least half-way through next year. Let's hope he has learned a little more about the Premier League outside Top 4. Let's hope he realises that, without a bit of Devil... there is no way back.
10 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:42:43
11 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:46:52
12 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:48:49
But in that context, we'd have sacked or demanded the resignation of Howard Kendall Mk 1 after 2 years. And many called for that at the time. I wasn't one but don't claim to be an expert at the time, just a young, very passionate Evertonian.
You could argue, rightfully so, there was more justification for it then than now, as we were in a darker place than where we are now. And it had only been just over 10 years from our last league title, let alone 26 years since a trophy. So this guy is trying to sort out a much bigger mess than back then.
Let's give the manager at least another season and see where he takes us.
13 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:51:17
And, as a sidebar, I see this idea that fans have to provide solutions in order to criticise has reared its ludicrous head. Rarely read such mindless drivel.
14 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:53:06
I often offer positive solutions: Team selections, tactics, subs. Sacking Ancelotti would be a positive solution.
As for respect, I quite frankly don't give an airborne copulation whether the "Don Carlo fanboy happy clappers" respect me or not.
15 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:54:58
Robert #5, I remember your 20-goals commentary, and I remember thinking that 15 more was realistic with our uncreative midfield. Instead we've got 3 more so far. I never would have expected Richarlison to chalk up only 7 goals this season, and I believe I predicted 5-6 from Mina on set pieces (he has bagged only 2). And Doucoure, Bernard and Iwobi have combined for only 4, which is pretty weak.
The good news is our defense got even meaner, with only 43 given up versus 56 last season. Pickford, Mina and Keane all became better players, the arrival of Godfrey was huge, and Carlo finally fixed our issue of leaking goals on set pieces. So there's that.
But we still need 20 more goals to contend for Top 4, and they'll have to come in through the transfer window, because they ain't in the squad now.
16 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:56:38
We're all Evertonians here.
You have have rightfully called out being abused. But now you are kind of abusing.
17 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:57:23
Well, there goes the old respect thing down the tubes.
18 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:58:10
That's the point, the problem at Everton has developed over seasons, so it will be a process over seasons to rectify.
Players determine what is possible, as does the quality of the backroom staff. Ancelotti has had to play a style of football to suit. Of course other managers have said the same, but they hadn't a clue.
Ancelotti is doing what is needed and will change. Everton are lucky to be where they are given the commitment and quality of players they have.
20 Posted 22/05/2021 at 16:59:23
That's football, mate. Look at Bruce Rioch – sacked by Arsenal. Had he stuck around for Vierra's arrival, maybe he'd have done as well as Wenger.
But in the absence of current success, proven winners like Carlo get the benefit of the doubt whereas the untried or proven losers do not. I think Carlo will turn it around but there are no guarantees and yeah if Ian Brantfoot was in charge right now, the knives would be out.
22 Posted 22/05/2021 at 17:00:07
Allardyce just didn't have a 'slightly' worse squad. He had Cuco Martina, Kenny and Ashley Williams in his defence.
Carlo failed because he cut off the supply line to the forwards. Oh and not giving King a single start. Why bring him in? Holgate left side centre back. A midfield 3 that left Digne pinned back and exposed.
I could go on and on. And on.
For me, he gets one more window to address the balance of the squad. And to replace the 2 attacking players he let go out on loan at the start of the season. Moshiri however probably won't have the balls to sack him... but, if fans are fully back, then he won't sit comfortably for long.
23 Posted 22/05/2021 at 17:01:37
I'm very disappointed in much of the football. The home record is terrible. The away record however– not. It can't be denied that we spent much of the season as a very tough and solid unit on the road.
Any other world class manager would take that all day if offered it, however classy their squad, because it's a massive base to build on in a league such as this. That it was achieved with players that many describe as shite etc could be marked as even more impressive.
Some of the best football I ever saw was played by Everton in the '80s. For a time, no-one could hold a candle to it. Behind it all was strength, cohesion, solidity – and a lack of ego that meant no qualms about going dark when needed. Both in terms of physicality and also playing tight and methodical for the win.
The difference now is that the flair and attacking power is all but absent – and yet it was there in abundance at the start of the season. The team has somehow contrived to pull off the harder part and screw up the "easier" (or less hard) part – that of succeeding in winnable home games.
It's been odd for sure, it's not pretty, and I can't understand why Ancelotti has gone quite so negative at times. Awful. The defence though has not looked so promising for a long time; the equal of almost everyone else at the top. There's still a hope I believe that things can turn with a few changes.
A few months back when things went a little sour, I predicted (basically, guessed) a finish of 9th with 59 or 60 points. Looks pretty accurate!
I could type twice as much and not really add a great deal – it's one of the hardest seasons ever to fully summarize, which is why I recently said "The jury's still out".
There feels to be a basis here that I can't easily outline, that I believe needs another season and the recruitment and improvement that may result. Who knows? I certainly don't. Today, we are 8th in the league with 59 points. I do know we don't need another knee-jerk manager sacking just now. And anyway, there's the "Something in the fabric" still to address down the line...
24 Posted 22/05/2021 at 17:09:15
25 Posted 22/05/2021 at 17:10:13
I hope that our players stay on at the end to see City presented with the trophy so that they can see what winners look like. Apart from a few, it will be the nearest they will ever get to a trophy.
To quote Brando we 'cudda been a contenda', but have fucked up this season in the uniquely Everton way. So COYB, please end this season with a pleasant surprise. 0-1 with Iwobi to score in the 94th minute. ;-)
28 Posted 22/05/2021 at 17:16:01
Ancelotti will take Everton so far but, if real success is to be achieved, you need a Winning Chairman.
30 Posted 22/05/2021 at 17:48:36
As for the play, it is a results business and Carlo says when he sets up to attack, we lose... and when we defend, we do better. He says the priority for the summer is a speedy goal-scoring wide player which sounds okay to me.
We have more points than last season and we won at Anfield and Arsenal, so it's not all bad.
31 Posted 22/05/2021 at 17:54:43
Great post. I see it exactly the same. Many on here are blinded by the manager's past of managing superstars.
Jay (7) has no right to say you're not respected generally, that's just his opinion. Baffling team selections, atrocious in game management, unwatchable, turgid football. It's Carlo's job to find the 'positive solutions', yet when people just describe the crap we have been subjected to, it is they who are asked to find the answers.
I think many could pick better teams. Constant criticism is inevitable if it is deserved.
33 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:15:41
34 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:17:07
I don't think people are blinded, I think they're referencing history to predict the future.
If you were hiring a bus driver, would you not expect a world class bus driver to do a better job than a chimpanzee? Now maybe the chimp would turn out to be a natural while the world class bus driver develops a drinking problem, cataracts and loses feeling in his hands, all of which affect his performance. But at the outset, there's a basis for believing he could do the job that's not forged through “blindness”.
35 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:18:05
You never acknowledged your alternative “stats” about points totals.
36 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:18:33
Yes, success does always start from the top. Be careful – Andy Lloyd Webber's henchman will be after you on here. I've been banned already over it ha ha. Cold day in Lucifer's gaff before he goes, by the way. If only.
37 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:22:07
It could be an exciting summer or an Everton summer... who knows?
38 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:22:33
Because I pointed out the obvious flaw in your posting? You may recall I stood up for you at the beginning of your posting controversially. It then became obvious that your posts were intended to attract attention.
You seem to get a kick out of being spoken to in a derogatory manner? Otherwise, why would you keep posting inflammatory posts?
It goes without saying you are entitled to post whatever you see fit. I will defend that all day. Just don't come across all Shirley Temple when you get inflammatory responses.
40 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:25:20
Godfrey Mina Keane Digne
Sigurdsson Iwobi Richarlison
Davies for Doucouré because he seems to do well against Man City, and Doucouré was crap against Wolves. Having Godfrey will make Pep think twice about risking his stars for the Champions League Final.
41 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:31:06
I think we will see the return of Gomes as opposed to Iwobi. Granted Doucouré was poor last week but surely he's better than Tom? The lad has no pace, and it's been about 5 years since his goal against them.
43 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:40:33
But that couldn't be down to the manager, could it?
44 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:50:50
45 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:52:16
As one of your ‘stats' is actually wrong (No 3) and others are based on the outcome of a match that hasn't yet taken place, here some alternatives.
1. Win tomorrow and it's our 3rd highest points total in 12 years
2. Don't concede tomorrow and it's the fewest goals conceded in 8 years
3. We've won away at both Liverpool and Arsenal for the first time in 22 and 25 years respectively.
4. Best ever away record in Premier League history and currently best in club history (adjusted for 3 points for a win per game).
5. Regardless of the result tomorrow, it is the most away wins per games in the league's history.
6. Win tomorrow and other results go our way and we are in Europe.
As your sidekick highlights in post 9, stats can be countered and manipulated either way
46 Posted 22/05/2021 at 18:57:49
47 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:01:53
Welcome to the ranks of "Don Carlo fanboy happy clappers" (Ian #14)! The open bar is to your left, the buffet to your right.
We will actually be cheering for the club when the game comes on. You can lead the "Carlo Fantastico" chant if you want.
48 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:08:51
We play our last game in 24 hours. Time to get behind the lads.
We have all summer to discuss why the manager still has us playing the ugliest football in the land.
49 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:10:23
You reckon Holgate will start, Darren?
Or will Carlo keep him hidden in case Mason's display encourages a massive bid from Pep?
50 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:13:48
52 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:19:45
And as for putting Iwobi back in his preferred position, where's that ? He's worse than Holgate wherever he plays.
I hope both are sold and quickly too. The idea that Pep wants him is laughable... what for? Seriously.
53 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:24:40
Seriously. We were informed by a fellow ToffeeWebber that Guardiola was preparing a bid for Mason. Foolishness at its very best.
I guarantee Holgate, if he is transferred, will not be signing for a Top 6 team.
54 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:27:57
Well If Wayne Rooney was strolling through De Wallen... you never know!
55 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:30:04
Everton have been creating chances but, with forwards not in position, poor pass compilation in the final third, poor first touch, poor finishing, and little link-up play in the penalty area, a lot have gone begging.
We badly need a forward who is clinical to get those goals. How long has it been since a goal has come from other than the usual suspects? Richarlison's goal against Wolves was a rare set-piece goal.
56 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:40:41
Carlo responded with a new 4-year offer and a massive pay rise... There's another fact.
Not sure why Carlo bothered. He has ruined him this season by playing him here, there, and everywhere and often with three other centre- halves.
Pretty sad when people have to drag the name of a player out of form as a diversionary tactic to the blistering criticism of the manager.
Holgate will be back to his best; Carlo won't. That won't stop some desperately climbing aboard the diversionary tactic by making this about Holgate.
57 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:42:01
"Pretty sad when people have to drag the name of a player out of form as a diversionary tactic to the blistering criticism of the manager."
Not at all; no need. I am just pointing out I think he is hopeless.
58 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:44:15
He got us to 49 points. 49 points would be good for 12th this season. Ancelotti has us 10 points better with a match to play. And we're supposed to believe he's taking us backwards? Give me a break!
Allardyce also had an infinitely easier path to European qualification... but alas, he couldn't catch mighty Burnley down the stretch.
Allardyce didn't have a single victory of note. Not one. Let alone winning at Anfield, beating Tottenham twice, sweeping Arsenal or beating Chelsea.
Look, if you want to argue that Allardyce did the job he was brought in to do, fine. But don't pretend for one second like he didn't get enough credit, or that he and Ancelotti are interchangeable.
62 Posted 22/05/2021 at 19:57:16
It doesn't alter the fact that the Manager is badly under-performing.
Thomas... I have never sought to post controversially. I just give an honest opinion.
63 Posted 22/05/2021 at 20:00:26
It doesn't matter whether we "get behind the lads", as we won't be there and they won't be watching our Live Forum.
However, I am sure we will lose tomorrow; I just hope we show some attacking intent as we could cause them problems, particularly if Dias is rested.
We will miss Seamus as he kept Sterling quiet at our place. I think Sterling will start, as he has slipped down the pecking order and so will be extra keen to do well. Holgate will struggle to stay with him but our big problems will come when Foden enters stage left. Then it will be Goodnight Carlo.
Positive things to think about over the summer... winning at Anfield and other away wins, the two home games with Spurs and our scintillating early form in all competitions.
The downside is some of the football we have played has been truly awful. Ancelotti's tactics and subs have left me baffled. However Godfrey, Pickford, Keane and Davies have been great and Seamus has defied his age and injuries to show a great example.
Sigurdsson and James have at times produced wonderful end product and, for a while, Calvert-Lewin looked very good.
I will be waiting impatiently for us to bring in the players that Carlo thinks will improve us. Fuck the Euros.
64 Posted 22/05/2021 at 20:04:13
People trot out the "Allardyce got us to 8th" to show the hypocrisy of fans making out he was a terrible manager rightly sacked whereas, the same fans worship the ground Ancelotti walks on for performing even worse.
Allardyce may not have had the win at Anfield but he also never had the most embarrassing derby defeat to Liverpool's school team.
I'm not saying we were wrong to get rid of Allardyce or that he is a superb manager, I'm just pointing out that Ancelotti is no better and fans can't realistically slaughter Big Sam while lauding Don Carlo.
65 Posted 22/05/2021 at 20:16:21
Getting Bernard Sigurdsson, Gomes off the books might just might see us buy this winger Carlo was on about. That's a start.
Seeing them shower sniggering in the stands to each other (Dalglish and Rush) during the derby defeat, I honestly thought there's no way back for Carlo after that. Obviously this club is either very realistic or very low in ambition... probably the latter for now until the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock rises above the Mersey,
67 Posted 22/05/2021 at 20:27:47
Two games stand out for me during Allardyce's time as Everton manager: the away game at Arsenal when he played about nine defenders and Calvert-Lewin. The game plan was to clearly nullify the Arsenal attack, playing zombie like football, and hoping to snatch a draw. We were one down after about 5 minutes, and four down by half-time. We done great second half, managing a creditable 1-1 draw, finally losing the game 5-1.
The other game was the 1-1 draw at Anfield, courtesy of a Wayne Rooney penalty, but god knows how we managed to get away with a draw.
As to the games you mention we've won this season, do you also think Allardyce could have guided a team to a 3-3 draw at Old Trafford after being 2-0 down at half time? No, me neither. Do you think Allardyce would also have won at Leicester? No, me neither. Do you think overall Allardyce is a good manager? No, me neither.
How the fuck his West Brom team won 5-2 at Chelsea is well beyond me, but I suppose every manager has his day, and that day was clearly his.
69 Posted 22/05/2021 at 20:32:51
80 Posted 22/05/2021 at 21:38:52
The KITAP1 away will still be used away and hopefully we will see 8+ wins next season. Also, with new attacking signings and the crowd back, our home form will be drastically improved.
So despite the completely understandable misgivings, there are reasons to be positive for next season. Give Carlo a chance, he's stabilised the club; next season it's time to push on into the Top 6 and win a cup.
Finally, the fact that we still have something to play for at the last match of the season is some sort of positive and hasn't been the norm in recent years.
81 Posted 22/05/2021 at 21:49:39
As someone said, we're all Evertonians. I can't pretend to have enjoyed many games this season – good results apart.
Tony (#80) calls it well. Big day tomorrow let's hope we do pull this off.
Talking of pulling it off... we're all seasoned self-abusers – we must be watching these week after week.
82 Posted 22/05/2021 at 22:16:55
83 Posted 22/05/2021 at 22:33:47
We have been stuck with these for a good few years, time to make a clean sweep, get some out of the club.
Start the second phase of rebuilding. I agree with Carlo, we've got quite a bit of shite that he has been trying to plug the gaps with.
Now, if we bring a few players in, and our football is still the same, then I will start to doubt the guy.
Let's see what tomorrow brings.
84 Posted 22/05/2021 at 22:58:47
Yes, Carlo has made mistakes... but he's turned Calvert-Lewin into a top striker instead of a headless chicken. Made Keane a far better central defender.
You and Ian Edwards have always disliked Carlo.
85 Posted 22/05/2021 at 23:02:07
Now Carlo has changed to 4-3-3 or 5-3-2, we've lost the balance, and lost lots of games.
I do not get it. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
86 Posted 22/05/2021 at 23:11:27
87 Posted 22/05/2021 at 23:40:36
This season, Carlo has made us much worse to watch and that takes some doing following Big Sam. Okay, we beat Liverpool when they were on their worst run for a century... so what ?
Uncle Carlo needs to sign some forwards – something he neglected to do last summer – or he will go the same way as his soulmate Mourinho did at Spurs, next season.
This summer's signings will give us the answer to his fate, even before the new season starts.
88 Posted 22/05/2021 at 23:42:07
Richarlison, Iwobi, Holgate and perhaps Gomes stunk the place out. Delph couldn't get going but looked promising. Calvert-Lewin and Davies improved. Doucouré and Allan came into midfield and it looked good for a while. So does he give them another chance?
Perhaps he has to as Brands can't find new homes for them all. If l'm not mistaken, Walcott, Besic, Bolasie and Sandro are all out of contract. Oh... and Tosun.
89 Posted 22/05/2021 at 00:01:50
Hmm when did we have that then?
I remember a season or two around 1963... A season or two around 1970... A few under Kendall.
So let's say 7 or 8 seasons in the last 60. Not exactly non-stop entertainment.
90 Posted 23/05/2021 at 00:10:07
“Delph looked promising.”
Give him a few more years and he might earn a senior deal. Or a senior citizen deal.
91 Posted 23/05/2021 at 00:38:23
92 Posted 23/05/2021 at 00:42:27
Really our Chairman is in the same position, with same power, and a lot richer. He only has to give lip service to the actual owner. Everton is being run as it has always been run since the Chairman started.
A poster lately posted on ToffeeWeb that he had asked asked the Chief Executive of Man City, Why Everton where not successful? The Chief Executive said that there was no winning metality at all levels within the club. Rooney, on being transfered to Man Utd, could not get over how much they thought winning was important. It was rarely mentioned at Everton.
Ancelotti is trying to drag Everton up by the bootstraps with this mentality still firmly in place and has been facing resistance, so much so he has had to go public.
Ancelotti will improve Everton, but it is the same with any football team. A winning manager needs a winning Board and Chairman or Committee and President to win anything. This is the case at every football level.
Whilst Moshiri has got the right manager, he is not running Everton Football Club, the Chairman is. Ancelotti needed to get into European competition to shift the power in the Club. There is resistance within the club to getting into Europe to prevent this.
Holgate has never been the same since his injury. Recovery at Finch Farm may have been successful physically, but it wasn't mentality-wise.
93 Posted 22/05/2021 at 00:55:43
He, through no fault of his, is a ToffeeWeb Poster Boy for "He's one of us!" plucky old Everton.
If we reinforce the midfield this next window, as we should and need to, Davies will cease playing.
Holgate? If he goes, he goes. I'd keep him for a substitute. Pacey enough, he can make a pass or two.
94 Posted 23/05/2021 at 01:00:38
He has no power whatsoever.
95 Posted 23/05/2021 at 02:54:35
I basically agree with your assessment of "our Tom" (and nor do I blame the lad for his innate limitations) but I'm bemused as to how you can then fail to assert the same quality of analysis regarding the conniving, evasive disaster that Kenwright has promulgated on all of us for decades.
It's hallucinatory to do so, pal!
All the best.
96 Posted 23/05/2021 at 03:04:58
I certainly never felt either Sam or Marco were capable of getting Everton where we all want them to be... whereas I feel Carlo can. We haven't had a manager for a long time with his track record of winning trophies, so I think we need to give him a bit more time before pressing the reset button.
I don't see how replacing him now is going to improve our chances of success next season. We have had too much change in the managerial chair since Moyes left so I think it's time to give someone a bit longer.
97 Posted 23/05/2021 at 04:34:49
98 Posted 23/05/2021 at 05:45:39
Your most glaring, but not only, mistake is stating that if we lose today we will have our lowest points total since Martinez was sacked. Complete and utter rubbish, Ian, and not exactly difficult to check.
You later make matters worse by stating the stats you quoted were from a newspaper, as if that's some sort of justification to explain away your own ineptitude. You lazily assumed the newspaper stats were correct and you don't possess the basic knowledge of the recent history of our club to at least think ‘those stats don't look right' and then take a minute to verify them. But then if you have an agenda, why let accuracy get in the way? An abysmal fail on your part.
99 Posted 23/05/2021 at 05:48:25
I know you have a natural reaction to point the finger at just about everyone else, but I won't be drawn into the desperate sideshow created to divert criticism of your hero on this thread. It's matchday; I want to focus on my team, but I'll address your point in due time.
In fact, I plan to do a little piece about the massive improvement we've seen since Carlo's arrival. If the guys publish it, you'll have plenty of opportunity to kick the arse out of it then.
100 Posted 23/05/2021 at 06:27:42
He has the power to stay in his position, employ the Chief Executive, control the voting at Board level, extend Brands's contract, input into player transfers and subsequent contracts, input into and maintain coaching and medical positions in the club, be the main link with Premier League Authorities, input into managerial appointments, and whether they stay, input into the value of shares by negotiating a price for his remaining shares, and dictate the structure of the club by the Shareholders Agreement with Moshiri when the club was taken over. Finally, he decided who the present major shareholder would be.
101 Posted 23/05/2021 at 06:56:55
I truly believe it will be like lighting the blue touch paper when he leaves or is asked to leave. The whole club's mentality will change and one will be picked by coaches and CEO etc because they are at the top of their game.
Whether Carlo survives is up to him but he really has to at least step up and not be happy with going a goal up for starters. Maybe I have it totally wrong and it's not his team. Hope so. This summer will tell us.
102 Posted 23/05/2021 at 07:07:11
The starting XI will by-and-large have one eye on the flip-flop or not want to get hurt with said game coming up. With our away form, now is the best time to play them.
City's fringe players are better than most other teams' starting XIs but look at who we have beaten on the road this season. Europe or not, we can end the season with a win. COYB
103 Posted 23/05/2021 at 07:12:02
Come on Everton.
104 Posted 23/05/2021 at 07:48:56
I look forward to it. As you say, it's match day. So let's get behind team and manager.
105 Posted 23/05/2021 at 08:05:25
It would be. Getting into Europe would have really helped Carlo because it would have meant a swing of power to the manger and would have upset the status quo that exists. Good luck today in trying to achieve that objective.
But I do expect Ancelotti will continue to try to build anyway. I don't think there will be no more signings than two to three at the most, but it is crucial he gets the right players, that being in Europe would have helped with.
Sigurdsson tried at the start of this year to get a contract extension, though he has another year on his contract. Things have gone quiet on that front. Hopefully 1-year extensions have finished after Baines, one of the status quo indications.
As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on Brands, as regards who controls him. He does not come across as a stand-alone Director and is the key in the transfer process. Ancelotti needs more changes in the backroom positions but, given it took him 6 months to announce his incoming staff positions, I think it will take another year to do this.
At least this year, the away strip will be available before the start of next season. Don't expect more money to be available via the commercial front.
Ancelotti's position has been strengthened with a 46. 8% win rate. He will need to improve on that, obviously needing more clinical finishing.
I really did think that Ancelotti would have achieved a Top 6 finish, but underestimated the resistance within the Club to progress, beyond the status quo. Not achieving this was more Everton's doing than competing clubs. I doubt that anyone in the club will accept blame.
106 Posted 23/05/2021 at 08:21:06
I stated in another post that we are a mid-table team. Well I have just looked back at our Premier League seasons and, since 2004-05, we have finish outside the Top 8 on only 4 occasions.
We where proper rubbish until Moyes took over. From finishing 13th and below, we started finishing 8th and above.
Money has taken our fans expectations through the roof. We really are not as bad as some think. It's just other teams have spent their money more wisely.
107 Posted 23/05/2021 at 08:37:19
My point is that the Premier League table is a pointless metric without proper context. Allardyce finished 8th because it was a weak, uncompetitive season – hence why Burnley of all teams ended up 7th.
The competition this season has been far stiffer. Aston Villa, a very solid side, are guaranteed to finish outside the top 10. I'm quite confident Allardyce would have had his ass handed to him (and basically did, with West Brom).
108 Posted 23/05/2021 at 08:40:36
Trouble with Holgate is he is not as good as he thinks he is, and also for some reason, since working on his "image". He was better with the shit haircut, without the eyebow thingy, and before the gum strutting. He needs to realise he is not quite the new Beckenbauer but really just a donkey with a fancy saddle.
109 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:00:35
However, my bad memory shouldn't deflect attention from a bad manager.
110 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:05:54
111 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:28:36
112 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:29:55
You do have valid points, but the issues at Everton are deeper and difficult to turn around. Getting a manager of Ancelotti's experience will be impossible and we would be back to the management merry-go-round of up-and-coming young managers.
Ancelotti's changes have resulted in a 46. 8% win rate. He is now a lot more aware of his players' ability and commitment and the strength and weaknesses of his backroom team. He will continue to push the limits and expose weaknesses in the team, forcing players to change and improve.
Hopefully he will get a committed and winnng performance from his players today.
114 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:32:37
Steve doesn't mean “bricking it” because they are playing us, he means for fear of getting injured and missing the Champions League Final.
If any of their players see Ben Godfrey steaming towards them at 100 mph, they are going to think twice about going into a tackle with him and just back out.
115 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:35:28
The doom and gloom posters can torment themselves for a few months with thoughts of relegation next season (yes, it was mentioned many times this season by some posters).
Me? I will enjoy the close season, and run up to the start of next season, safe in the knowledge this manager will get it right.
116 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:41:08
Let's see one or two Man City players get “not too badly injured”, then let's see Pep at the end castigating Carlo, the way he and his backroom staff did towards Graham Potter in midweek, while Big Dunc is stood alongside him!!
117 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:50:26
Terrible home results.
Beaten by teams that should easily have been put away.
Awful football to watch at times.
Incomprehensible tactics at times.
All of the above apply to Us, Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal (and others). And before people say they don't care about the others, I'm making the point that the whole season has been weird. Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd could have been added to that list above, but they've turned it around (bigger and better squads).
I'm neither a hater nor a lover of Ancelotti, but with hoodoos banished and his signings being amongst our better players this season, I think I'll judge him next May. A trophy and Top 6 will do me!
118 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:55:34
Incidentally, prior to kick off today, we only have two fewer defeats than Brighton.
119 Posted 23/05/2021 at 09:59:53
120 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:01:01
Oooops, someone did!
121 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:02:44
To have self-inflicted this predicament and put this to the last game and still need favourable results, Arsenal, Spurs and Leeds, is solely down to rotten home form this season.
Hopefully Leicester and Brighton can do a job, and West Brom, but Everton will never have had a better chance to have made Europe.
So not quite Death or Glory, but it's going to make for a simmering and hopefully and weather wise hot summer.
So smash into them, no mercy. Interesting to see who starts for Man City, they could put two Top 5 teams out every week.
But Everton, if they believe, can do this. Put in a proper shift in and give it their all, and that is all that is asked today.
122 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:06:11
Why, because I feel suicidal when I come on here and read your posts, and your partner in morbidity (the other half of Jedward), Mr Tasker, which is why I don't come on as much, or indeed, post myself, like I used to!
The post on ToffeeWeb used to be fun, and no we didn't all agree or share the same viewpoints, that's healthy in my opinion. But recently they have taken on a new and rather unwelcoming tone, so much so, that I often question: Do we really all support the same team? Everton FC.
124 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:11:08
You work hard to outdo yourself with your posts. As this is our second-best season ever for away results, that will end next season when fans return. As this is a really poor season for home results, that will continue when fans return. And next season, we are going to get relegated!
Your posts should come with a laughter track.
125 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:14:35
In retrospect, this was another season over when the cup interest was done – although the delusion of Top 4 remained for the slack-jawed.
126 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:17:33
Meanwhile, listening to Sky Sports News and it seems they already have Man City down for a cast iron win. City will go out on a high, want to win it for the fans, and more importantly, Aguero, who is going to come on and score a penalty in the 93rd minute.... Apparently!
127 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:19:24
Doubt it though. 4-1 home win to leave us on a pathetic 0 - GD.
128 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:27:16
Our home form is due to negative tactics and formation and would be the same with fans.
130 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:33:24
He has never been anywhere near the England reckoning and hasn't excelled in any of the positions he has played.
It's beyond stupid to over-rate a player that has mostly played in teams struggling for form and then say a manager has ruined him.
If you were to list all the right-backs for England's next game, where would he be?
If you were to name all the centre-halves, where would he be? Even on form.
I can't work out where the hype comes from but again I think it's shocking standards from fans demanding so called better things for Everton.
I don't think any manager on earth picks him, even ahead of a fit Keane and Mina.
131 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:34:45
He's an old has-been taking the piss. He should never have been appointed in the first place.
Sticking with him is a pointless exercise. Another complete waste of a season.
132 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:36:47
135 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:39:41
136 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:40:08
How old are you by the way?
137 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:42:35
Some superb posts all season complaining about the lack of quality so readily accepted by the group of people on here all the time.
As Evertonians, it is our duty to reject shite, whether it's from the Chairman, the owner, or indeed the manager. However, we have done that, from the final whistle of our last game right through to the next matchday. Let's get behind the lads before and during the game.
Eddie quite rightly points out that it doesn't matter because they can't hear us... but if we can't get behind the lads on matchday, when can we?
I've gone with the heart instead of the head today. Never the best of ideas when you are placing your bet, but I've taken 6/1 for a Royal Blue victory.
Man City are a very good team, occasionally a brilliant one, but there are a few reasons why they may not be firing on all cylinders today and we need to be ready to pounce if their focus drops.
138 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:47:21
139 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:48:44
Very accurate assessment of our season and the season of others. Like you, I will judge Carlo this time next year. UTFT
140 Posted 23/05/2021 at 10:49:36
Following the victory at Sheffield United, Everton were 2nd in the table going into 2021. Victory at the Hawthorns in early March took us up to 5th in the table but, following the defeat by Chelsea and compounded by the defeat at home to Burnley, the wheels have fallen off and a season that looked to promise so much has ended with a whimper.
I fully expect a defeat today, because we're playing Man City and because this team isn't likely to score more than we concede against them.
Wherever Everton end up in the table, it will be justified as the table doesn't lie – the opportunity was alive for at least a Europa League place only a few months ago but, due to poor attitude, bad tactics, or just having players that aren't up to it, this season can be viewed as a failure.
144 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:00:03
In todays markets and the state of the balance in fairness, it would take us years to replace Lukaku. In terms of ambition it was poorly thought through.
I have banged on about this before but an ambitious club would not sell their best forward to the side that finishes one place above them.
That is rotten and has a terrible knock on effect. It wreaks of weakness and Lukaku should have been sent abroad.
Man U would never make a rival stronger. Look what it done to Arsenal when Van Persie went to them.
The bigger picture is far more important than this weeks tactics when a man has been brought it to change the structure of what winning mentality is about.
Its a massive job for any manager to change the mentality of a club, team, player that thinks Man United are uncatchable.
145 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:00:51
Barry, totally, the league will not lie. We've dropped points we shouldn't have. We've picked up points we didn't expect to. But it generally balances out.
For me, the thinness of the squad that concerned me has impacted us.
But, I said I'd pass judgement when the season was over. It's not yet!!
146 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:07:27
147 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:13:04
Additionally, I feel the careful use of statistics could draw close comparisons with a Ferrari and an Austin Allegro if so desired. Frustrating, for sure, because the team has shit the bed at home so many times, but the away form, I feel, is clear evidence of a progress that holds great promise going forward.
When considering his influence on players development, DCLs progress should be scrutinised along with Pickford, who seems to have matured significantly and lost the arrogance and posturing that would accompany regular horrific blunders. I dont think these have been coincidences.
Seasons usually finish in January or February around here.
I struggle to understand the vitriol.
148 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:13:47
We need to adopt a Joe Royle dogs of war approach and be in their faces from minute one. Even those not likely to be picked in a starting place for their Champions league final will want to avoid any knocks so they can be part of the squad. I am by the way not advocating we go out and kick everything that moves but just let them know we arent there to let them weave their pretty patterns and we will be very combative. I realize that even adopting this attitude we may still lose but it will at least make me feel better if we are in their faces from the off.
149 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:15:09
150 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:15:29
There's no truth in the rumour that towards the end of the voting Ancelotti tried to replace the lead singer with Fabian Delph.
151 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:16:04
"Nobody could have foreseen our unbelievably poor home form at the turn of the year"
The signs were there aplenty. Others have highlighted how we were scraping wins rather than dominating regally. The type of footy we played was not convincing but therein lies the nub of the issue, too many don't (or maybe don't understand) what is in front of their eyes.
Mathematically we were in with a shout but footy games aren't decided with a calculator. In reality we always mid table
152 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:20:06
I don't subscribe to the nonesensical theory that City's players will have their minds on the Champ's League final.
There will be a few hoping to force thmselves into that Final squad and others hoping to ensure a starting berth.
Then there's the home crowd to impress, the departing Aguero to reward, oh and the big problem is that they can all pass to each other while we can just hoof it back to them.
Will Carlo prove me wrong and mastermind another away win? Who knows, but this team has let us all down at every juncture that could have given us Euro Football, so why should they pull it out of the fire now?
I live in hope but I just think they are a different class, and just like in the cup, we can keep them out for 70 mins or so but then they can bring on the cavalry, when we can bring on Gomes and King.
153 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:24:02
154 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:30:16
Never in my wildest strangest nightmares did I believe that we would lose to Newcastle, Fulham, Burnley, and Sheffield United at Goodison. Nor did I expect Everton to take only 9 points from 12 home league games since the turn of the year. Obviously, those results completely derailed our hopes and aspirations and that's the reason quite a few are hopping mad with the manager.
155 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:34:42
Reading George McKane's 146 CV I reckon he would be ideal to replace the present incumbent should he decide to vacate his very lucrative post.
156 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:43:05
My post wasn't contradictory. Our away form could be due to home teams having no fans.
Our home form is due to negative tactics and formation and would be the same with fans.
Is that one of those Zen koans - like you know “if a tree falls in the forest does anybody hear?”
157 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:50:12
158 Posted 23/05/2021 at 11:56:43
I have to agree. We've perfected the art of stealing 0-1 wins away from home through a tight eight men behind the ball extravaganza, but the moment we are asked to play actual football the whole thing falls apart.
That our football this season has been worse than the Big Fella is surely not open to question. And so when Carlo says as he has today that it's been a good season, we're on track and that we will challenge for the league next season, I am forced to conclude that he either has at least six world class hush hush signings already in the bag for next season, or he doesn't give a bollocks.
159 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:00:56
Ancelotti has proven in the past he won't bottle big games like Moyes did. I just hope he will be given the players he needs by the board and he should be able to get us back to winning trophies again.
160 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:01:30
I imagine that Fernandinho is currently stuck to his toilet seat and fearful of missing his appointment pre match with his therapist for fear that he may be tackled by Glyfi.
Life can be full of risk and disappointments, but if one thing is certain, it is that if any of the City players don't perform as required or pull out of a single tackle, they sure as hell will not be in the starting line up next Saturday. It is to do, in part at least, with management.
Perhaps there is a queue currently forming outside of Pep's office. " Boss, feeling a bit fatigued today. My hamstring is a touch tight. Best leave me out so I am 100% next Saturday "
If anyone has difficulty understanding my post then please ask Rob to explain it for you. 😄😁
161 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:08:33
162 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:08:35
163 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:09:08
The problem is that the nature of footy forums is to veer toward the optimistic – after all, they are essentially echo chambers of the broadly similar, hence frothing vitriol aimed at any not falling in line: see Ian Edwards and Darren Hind.
After the initial purple patch, the signs stood out like a sore thumb to me that the usual 7th to 12th finish was our destiny. (I think I actually posted as such.) Being a very ordinary fellow I imagine others spotted exactly the same.
My point is: don't mistake internet blather as representative of widespread Evertonia opinion.
164 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:11:38
165 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:12:42
166 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:14:25
More, if that City 'second string' could be magically transplanted to play for Everton next season, we would be Top 4 challengers.
That is the measure of the task we face.
167 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:15:30
This 'he's too old' line is an utter disgrace. Tasker should be embarrassed making such ageist posts.
168 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:19:45
I still think that nobody – and I mean nobody – could have predicted the home form in 2021, no matter who they listened to, no matter what they believed to be the quality of the team.
I've been following Everton for 50 years so I know what can happen, but again, with or without internet blather, I retain my opinion that Everton had a great opportunity going into 2021.
I'll look out for your musings early next season; then I can prepare myself for the joy or the sadness whichever your sage advice will offer. ToffeeWeb – a forum that veers towards the optimistic? – that'll be the day!
169 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:36:51
I think Ronnie Goodlass missed a trick not asking you to eulogise over the great man himself: Alan Ball in Ball of Fire.
I'm a slight critic of that play: not enough made of his actual quote and thoughts in the derby where he bagged a brace. "There's nowhere I'd rather be" ... or words to that effect. Bit too much of the World Cup instead, but I suppose personally that was his finest hour.
Anyway, kidda, enjoy the summer. Don't read too much into today because I know I'm not. Coyb.
ps: With your background, I'm surprised the Teary One hasn't invited you on a bender with the Arteta money. 💰👌
170 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:37:55
I am sure no current player of ours would ever stoop to such tactics... Pity.
171 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:39:17
Fucking have a go, Everton.
173 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:42:59
Next season, I expect Top 6 given the signings to come in. Season after, I expect us to strongly challenge the Top 4.
174 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:53:10
1. In the 1400s, a law was set forth in England that a man was allowed to beat his wife with a stick no thicker than his thumb. Hence we have 'the rule of thumb.'
2. Many years ago, in Scotland, a new game was invented. It was ruled 'Gentlemen Only... Ladies Forbidden'... and thus the word GOLF entered into the English language.
3. Each king in a deck of playing cards represents a great king from history:
Spades - King David,
Hearts - Charlemagne,
Clubs - Alexander the Great,
Diamonds - Julius Caesar
4. In Shakespeare's time, mattresses were secured on bed frames by ropes. When you pulled on the ropes the mattress tightened, making the bed firmer to sleep on. Hence the phrase... 'Goodnight, sleep tight.'
5. It was the accepted practice in Babylon 4,000 years ago that, for a month after the wedding, the bride's father would supply his son-in-law with all the mead he could drink. Mead is a honey beer and because their calendar was lunar based, this period was called the honey month, which we know today as the honeymoon.
6. At the end of the 2020-21 season, Liverpool supporters said they had the best team ever to grace the Premier League; hence the phrase ‘deluded twat'.
175 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:58:23
MK asked me about SALTO Training a few weeks ago and I said I would not do it. I have refused for several years to participate in such theatre work (it's dull and boring and repetitive) and believed in non-template explorative theatre with experience and knowledge behind it.
I stuck to my guns -- my beliefs. I will be off to Vienna for 23 weeks making theatre in August - - believe in something and stick it out if you truly trust yourself... I do!
Best Cosmic wishes To All Blues Everywhere.
176 Posted 23/05/2021 at 12:58:30
George, keep on moving, keep on grooving.
Age is just a number.
177 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:03:16
I can't see why Siteh shouldn't play with reckless abandon today and that thought doesn't fill me with joy. Last game in front of their home fans with a good few of their players wanting to catch Peps eye, this will be a game where our new found defensive prowess could be tested.
Or those Siteh players might be wrapping themselves in cotton wool for next Saturday, what do I know?
178 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:07:12
Made me laugh; any of it true ?
179 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:09:14
I'd take Steve Bruce over Big Sam.
Recruitment is marginally more important than tactics. Why? If City lost Pep as the manager and had an inexperienced amateur as a manager for the season, then the players will keep City hunting for top 4 minimum - because the players recruited have the ability and mentality and adaptability to make constant winning decisions and actions.
Carlo has shown this season an ability to change tactics to fit a team of years of bad recruitment. He has no joy in the performances himself as he can only work with what he has. Look at his past teams with fast attacking players that were innovative and crowd pleasers too.
Steve Bruce brought in St. Maximin, Callum Wilson and Willock on loan. Yes some dross as well, but he's got better at his recruitment.
Moyes is better than Big Sam - easily evident this seasons recruitment decisions from him and his recruitment team.
Big Sam hasn't shown anything great in a few years.
Carlo - well... let's compare Carlos last 4 first team signings verses Big Sam's last 4.
180 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:12:25
183 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:13:51
I've not been a massive fan of his this season, the football has been poor, some of the lineups have been baffling and rarely have his in-game changes been beneficial.
But he does seem to have us improving. Just about. Currently his points percentage (this surprised me) is actually 3rd for post war managers: Link And this despite inheriting a fairly mediocre squad, at best.
It's been a deeply frustrating season. But perhaps mainly because we started it so well and have thrown away a very promising position.
I don't have a huge amount of faith that Carlo can turn this dirge football into an entertaining spectacle that also sees us get into the Top 6 next season. But we are certainly no worse than we were before he got here and if we keep improving then I will be somewhat content.
184 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:16:40
Only the last one.
186 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:19:20
In the context of ageism, I think Carlo is at the end of his career in management. He probably couldn't believe what Everton were offering him and his son.
I think he represents very bad value for money. The football this season has mostly been appalling and the season overall has been a massive disappointment.
I'm not expecting to it end with Everton being in Europe. And I'm fully expecting Liverpool to squeeze into a Champions League place.
188 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:20:00
Give me a minute
189 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:20:45
190 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:26:59
The post was to add another way of analysing Big Sam verses Carlo as the main sub-thread on here.
I brought in Steve Bruce and Moyes in my post as to show that not just tactics, but the recruitment side is really important. My personal opinion but I don't rate Big Sam recently for recruitment, so he is definitely nowhere near Carlo in terms of managing a team and making transfer decisions that determine the season ahead.
If Big Sam was brave enough to join a club for 3 seasons and put his reputation on the line and sign 3-4 players a season and show us his own team he built, then I'll be more than happy to give a big thumbs up if it looks good.
191 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:31:11
A big ask but at least we've got something to hope for on the last day of the season, instead of our usual dead rubber. COYBs!
192 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:31:38
193 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:33:19
194 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:36:07
I almost spat out some of my early afternoon tipple. Almost.
195 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:36:21
Colin, keep Iwobi on the bench and wrapped in cotton wool? At least, if a transfer bid came in, if he's fully fit, he can't fail the fitness test. Or could he?
196 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:41:21
197 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:45:59
That is about right. Ancelotti is playing a percentages game with a mediocre squad. The money isn't there for wholesale change and. Ancelotti is taking a long terms view and making do and mend, with rigid formations being the order of the day.
198 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:47:13
199 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:48:35
200 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:52:39
As Barry (140) says, at the start of the year CL qualification was an achievable objective. It certainly was not just a pie in the sky hope. Whatever the factors behind our limited transfer activity the failure to acquire a quality winger such as Zaha is why we've missed out.
201 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:54:47
Not one Evertonian I know expected top 4 this season
202 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:54:50
Let's be honest Steve Bruce is not where we want to be. I shudder at the thought. For me, he's one of that batch of English managers who are slowly dying out. They made a living on promoting failure or at best existence as success and pulled the supporters into believing it too. And then kept getting recycled around Premier League or decent jobs because their Sky cronies backed them.
Anyway, onto today and the match thread. We're going to win and sneak Europe right?
203 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:56:40
204 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:58:58
205 Posted 23/05/2021 at 13:59:13
Ask any Newcastle fan about their cup exit to Brentford this season
206 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:00:47
I have to respectfully disagree mate.
IMO we need a solid creative midfield pair who can actually take control of a game and dictate the pace.
Along with a clinical goal scorer in the mould of Cavani.
207 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:02:25
Having said all that I will probably be way off the mark, but I would be very surprised if Pep put out his strongest team possible today.
208 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:02:27
This says it all about age for me.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
209 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:05:06
210 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:06:18
211 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:06:34
212 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:07:21
I get your context but not the worst I've seen. Sounds like you have a bit (only a bit!!) of seniority on me but I can't look past some of the dross we were served up in the 90s and early 2000s personally.
213 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:12:15
214 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:12:25
215 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:12:53
216 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:14:35
As a season, it passed the time watching every game on telly, but it should be struck from the record books as far as I'm concerned.
Personally, I think we've been close to unwatchable in most games this season. Utterly devoid of intensity, intelligence, creativity, and passion. Even if we'd been allowed into the ground, we should have got a refund on our season ticket. And the results are neither here nor there, good or bad, in such a non-season.
We didn't get relegated, we didn't win anything, so we live to fight again.
I just hope we are better to watch next season.
217 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:15:37
218 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:16:07
Let that sink in, we have Carlo; they want Potter.
219 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:18:00
221 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:18:47
222 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:20:50
223 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:21:12
224 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:21:31
Have a read of a classic love poem from a man to a woman written by Oscar Wilde.
Like Dylan, he probably had to use his imagination.
225 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:23:08
Bruce versus Ancelotti. Italy must be all ears! "Ancelotti? Who that?" they must be saying.
226 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:23:59
Gave me some perspective at least 😆
227 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:24:43
228 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:29:11
229 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:39:28
237 Posted 23/05/2021 at 14:58:01
238 Posted 23/05/2021 at 15:00:04
239 Posted 23/05/2021 at 15:00:37
240 Posted 23/05/2021 at 15:05:05
We all know he was left with a lot of bang average players, he has been here a year, and in that time he made four signings, Godfrey, Doucoure, Allan and James, each one of those have been a big improvement of the players we had plugging the gaps there.
The football I agree has not been pretty, but until he can address the problem areas, by bringing in better class players, he has to work with what he has been dealt with.
Again I will ask, do you think Lewis Hamilton would win a Grand Prix, if his Car was a Reliant Robin, there lies the answer, you are expecting Carlo to perform miracles, with some bange average players.
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