Ronald Koeman sacked from Barcelona job

Barca sack Koeman

I see Koeman finally got the bullet, a man who thinks very highly of himself and yet has a awful record at club management... why oh why did we hire that fraud?

Geoff, in all seriousness you have to feel sorry for Koeman. We should have a whip round to tide him over.

I watched the Barca game today. Koeman's face as he walked off the pitch at Rayo bore the expression of a guy whose suitcases were already in the trunk of his car -- and the engine was running.

Xavi is in line to replace him.

Should I have said "boot" instead of "trunk"?

+1 for boot over trunk.

Maybe more universal next time Mr Gaynes - "suitcases were already in a taxi cab with the meter running" perhaps?

It certainly seems that second season is the back breaker for Senor Koeman. To continue the luggage theme, his teams fall apart in year two like a three dollar suitcase. Adios hombre, but think of the positives. More time to work on the short game.

I wish my Spanish was better. I'd love to know if there's a Barcelona equivalent of these pages, and if somewhere a fan is documenting how it was Joan Laporta undermining Rotten Ronny the entire time. I'd be willing to bet quite a lot there is.

Some mysteries are too profound to solve in our lifetimes. But the "Koeman is pants" case, I do think we've gotten her over the line.

Interesting succession of 'Hollywood' managers (stupid epithet) that we have 'suffered' since bidding a teary farewell to David Moyes. (Oh gawd, no... why did I mention him?)

Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva, Ancelotti, Benitez...

Koeman's uniquely disinterested stance and preference for golfing will never be forgotten. But what a Rogue's Gallery we are assembling. I didn't realize in checking the list that Silva was out of a job for 18 months after leaving us before he took the reigns at Fulham.

The fraud will walk into another job courtesy of the managerial merry-go-round. Next stop Newcastle and another massive boost to the bank balance? And Arteta thinks we should all feel sorry for these poor souls!

I didn't realise that about Silva either Michael.

From your Merseyside Police Identification Parade of Everton suspects (former managers), if I put the football aside, the only 2 who emerge with respect and dignity for me are Martinez and Silva. Think I've said it all before, but my view on all of them:

Martinez: Extremely nervous. I thought it was a mistake waiting to happen. He proved me wrong and what a season. Then he started to prove my initial nervousness right. Unfortunately. I ended up being a staunch defender ironically, hoping he was going to get back to those ways.

Koeman: Hands up. I got hoodwinked by 1980s Danny's view of Koeman the player. Alarm bells going when he seemed to hesitate. He clearly didn't want to be here. The disjointedness of transfers and when a lot of the damage was done that we're still cleaning up, happened on his watch. I try not to let my view of him as a manager tarnish the player I watched as a kid. Fantastic centre back with one of the most fearsome bullet like shots you'll ever see.

Allardyce: A part of me died typing that. He was actually our manager? Did it really happen?

Silva: See Martinez. More than nervous this time. He got Hull relegated and we'd been here before, but we're going back for more? That said, brief optimism for half a season when we seemed to be flying. But like many, only had one way to play and when it didn't work, folded his arms and stood watching.

Ancelotti: So hopeful for this one. We got a big name. A past winner who could put us on the map. Those voices who called out that he would struggle to manage non-top players proved right, although we got agonisingly close to Europe, which could have changed things. Bolted as soon as that collapsed, Real came calling and presumably he could see the FFP shit show that was coming. Disappointed is an understatement. I'd go as far to call it unprofessional, but that's with my Everton glasses on.

Benitez: More of the same in terms of big name and past winner. But ironically more suited to the job at Everton? Nervous and uncomfortable with this one, but as with all the above, I'll support him as I did them.

Exception being Allardyce. I just couldn't and focussed on the team. I couldn't look at the dugout.

I had high hopes of success under Koeman. His first game was Spurs at home and we played great competitive football, although we only drew. It didn't take long for him to show his true colours though. Arrogant, disinterested and self centred. Sacked by Barca - couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.

Can anyone say if this is correct or not.

I think I read that when Koeman was sacked that there was a clause in his contract that EFC would continue to pay his wages until he took up another full-time managerial position. His managing the Dutch team didn't count as full-time and he continued to be paid.

I hope that I have this completely and utterly wrong.

Add him to the list of great players that find managing more difficult than playing.

After listening to Roberto's bullshit I wanted Koeman for the blues as his straight talking gave the impression of a disciplinarian. It was just arrogance.

Alarm bells rang more or less straight away with the random scattergun approach plus his dedication to the golf course.

Delighted with the news of his Barca demise.

I try not to be vindictive but from the moment this clown put his holiday before turning up here the odour of rank misjudgement enveloped him.

I can put up with things not working out if employees take the club seriously - Martinez, Allardyce, Silva - all looked interested Koeman never did. Carlo pretended to and in fairness Moyes did initially but in the end was as shifty as Carlo.

Up yours, Ronnie, you utter fraud.

I actually heard a rumour that he wanted to lose his job just so he could be available for the next ToffeeWeb golf do.

I'm guessing he will get 3 years of his contract paid to him for doing nothing. Just like he got from that team Everton.

What a team Barca had not so long ago. One of, if not, the best l have ever seen. They were that good that Guardiola only played with one centre-back. Piss take or what.

Everything that I've ever seen from Koeman as a "Manager" could make me wonder whether the theatre of football is fixed.

The very curious early hype as a future Barcelona manager based on nothing; hype that grew in inverse proportion as he continued to cement how little he has to offer, all presented in a vein of dour, gruff and misplaced arrogance.

Even stranger that the early evidence of his unsuitability and difficult persona was ignored for every subsequent appointment - and on he continued, laying the same trail.

Should have retired the 26-inch tree trunks with his reputation intact. He is no manager.

Barry - Your schadenfreude spreads rapidly - I cannot disagree.

David @11, I recall something like that but I thought it was linked to salary. The Dutch job didn't pay as well as a club job so Everton had to make up his wages for a spell - hope I've got that wrong !

Totally agree with all the comments, especially Barry (13). He was a total fraud - his worst was when he told Lukaku that if he ended his career at Everton, it meant that he had never fulfilled his potential! Probably a true comment, but how dare he when he was collecting his pay check from Everton.

If I was Moshiri, I would have sacked him on the spot and made a valid case for kicking him out without compensation because he had undermined the club.

Seeing that many would like to see the back of Rafa...

Why don't we offer him to Newcastle and get Koeman back?

I’d prefer Big Sam, Paul.

“Why don't we offer him to Newcastle and get Koeman back?“

Why don't we put our dicks in a blender?

I think Paul is being sarcastic, Ray.

Ray, I'm not going to try that again!

He did a lot of long-term damage during his time with us. We are still trying to tidy up the mess that he left. His dream job turned into a nightmare.

No tears being shed here for his demise.

GREAT!!!

One down, one to go. Ancelotti you are next. Bring them both back to Goodison to be paraded in front of The Grim Reaper.

Disrespecting Everton!!! Pair of Bastards.

Spot on opening paragraph @12 Rob Dolby.

I can't think of many top, top drawer players who succeed at management. They are few and far between.

My theory is that they were that good players, they didn't have to think about it. It was instinct. So they don't know how to explain it.

Whereas an average player who done well and played at a decent level without setting the world alight, knows what it takes but can explain, demonstrate and coach.

I'll give you another Dutch example; Guilit.

I don't know if it's because they are not interested because they're not on the pitch anymore. Or, they get frustrated because players can't do what they would do.

I don't know the stats, and it would be open to interpretation of opinion, but I think generally, the majority of the most successful managers were not the superstars of their day.

Look at the Premier League Top 8 right now. In fact let's go top 10. Maybe 2 in there who were genuine top drawer players? And even one of those was a renowned super-sub.

Hey Mick. Talking about the Grim Reaper, where was he when Moyes came to visit the other week?

And all this talk of Benitez going back to Newcastle. It's too far from Candy, isn't it?

A fair few gems here.

I may have to save some for his Obituary.

Sorry. That should have read, Caldy.

On the subject of Rafa Benitez. I was far from happy with his appointment and he has a lot to do to make me happy as far as improving the team. However, if he is going to challenge the hierarchy and start calling for change in all areas related to football and we finally get rid of some deadwood, then I'll back Rafa.

All of the past managers mentioned in this thread were obviously only too willing to go along with the orders from football dunces running the club.

Koeman must be experiencing deja vu. Barca have their worst squad in years due to appalling vanity recruitment and, in fairness, injuries.

Someone, probably Xavi, now needs to shed a few high earners and build a team around the excellent Gavi, Pedri and Fati.

Ray @21. That sort of in-extremis action would only be reserved for hearing that a certain fireman was on his way back.

Wonder if anyone on the Barcelona equivalent of ToffeeWeb is upset about true blue and maroon playing legend getting the sack?

They will probably blame the succession of "Busted flush Hollywood managers" for fritting away the cash, and slag off the Ciutat Esportiva Joan Gamper fact finders who say that the youth coaches have gone into decline and produced "diamonds" like Deulofeu who were "never given a chance."

You can get pretty good panoramic views up there in the Nou Camp so I am sure there's an expert on BlaugranaWeb putting the world to rights.

Still haven't forgiven Koeman for having a red Christmas tree and not having the nous to understand it's gauche behaviour for an Everton manager. ….or maybe he did, and it was his way of taunting the fans as to his not giving a rat's arse about our club.

I suspect he may possibly end up in the Ajax job if Ten Haag moves on to England?

Danny #26, I think the reason so few top players make top managers is simply that the skill sets are so different.

There's a good piece from Julian Nagelsmann of Bayern (still only 34) with the sound bite management is 30% tactics and 70% social competence. That's very unlike being a player.

Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho etc were all incredibly shrewd operators who made individuals better and made teams better than the sum of their parts - and that applies to the wider coaching staff as much as it applies to the playing staff.

These guys would have been a success in any walk of life. People with their skill set and drive always go far.

Pete @27
I'm so annoyed with you I was looking for an anthem for Benitez and you go and spoil it by saying you meant Caldy.

Link

Colin Glassar@22
Yes Colin, I didn't think he was serious.

Brent, stings a bit doesn't it?

Kieran @32
A couple of nuggets from carameloweb.

Argumento del hombre de paja -
Strawman argument

Jugador de campeonato en el mejor de los casos - Championship player at best.

No soltará su tren -
He won't let go of his train set.
I'm not convinced this one is correct though.

Barry

Hahaha the universal language of fans

As the man himself said too many times in his interviews after we lost:

"Dish iss futbol"

The social competence component was what I was going to comment on but that from Nagelsmann is well said Robert. Before seeing that, my take was that Koeman was part of a dying breed of legend coaches that are expected to somehow magically solve superstar locker rooms or misfit squads. Probably what Moshiri was thinking when he invited Carlo to the party.

You can make a good living out of being a crap manager. I wish my employer would give me the push with a few million in my back pocket!

Koeman got off to a bad start for me, appointed his brother as his assistant and then went on holiday. He always looked like he should really be somewhere else and Everton should be grateful for his presence.

Sadly, when he was rightly sacked, it still cost us a fortune. I cannot remember him contributing anything, and I hope that this is the end of his time in management.

Koeman is a phoney, end of story.

Failure is better than success for some, yes you read that right.

Fail at a club and get paid up within a year and still be paid the remaining three years. Let the dust settle for a few months, take another job, fail again, get paid up for remaining 3 years. That is 8 years salary, for doing a 2-year project tops.

It is time something is brought in. You fail at a club, you have two choices: you do not work for the remaining time left on your contract elsewhere; if you take a job elsewhere, then the previous club does not have to pay anything after employment elsewhere has commenced.

Not bothered and not surprised. Barca gig is a tough job currently.

I don't like the guy. Never forgave him for the cheating clothesline he choked Amokatchi with.

He did a good job at Southampton and can see him doing well at a Dutch or German club bringing through talented youngsters.

I understand why he didn't but he should have stayed managing the national team.