Everton appear to have concluded a deal with Juventus that will see Moise Kean return to the Serie A club on loan with an obligation to buy.
The young striker has agreed personal terms, flown to Turin and is scheduled to undergo a medical tomorrow which, if successful, will see him spend the 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons in with Juve before the arrangement becomes permanent if certain conditions are met.
According to the likes of Fabrizio Romano and Gianluca DiMarzio, the transfer fee will be around £17m although it's not clear if that includes the initial loan fee for Kean who ultimately failed to settle on Merseyside. Some sources claim it could eventually be worth £21.5m.
Kean was signed by Everton to much fanfare in the summer of 2019 for £25m but he endured a difficult start to life in the Premier League as Everton themselves struggled under then-manager, Marco Silva.
He wouldn't score his first goal for the club until February 2019 under Silva's successor, Carlo Ancelotti, but even under his compatriot, Kean wasn't able to make sufficient inroads into the first team and he was eventually loaned out to Paris Saint-Germain last season.
A successful campaign that yielded a healthy goals return and plenty of Champions League experience looked to have earned the Italian international a permanent move to Paris but PSG refused to make Everton a cash offer, preferring instead to take him on loan again.
The Blues rejected that proposal but, with Kean seemingly unhappy in England and Everton in need of funds for transfers, the decision was taken to allow the player to return to Juventus on loan after all as long as there was a purchase obligation at the end.
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1 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:30:25
2 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:45:20
3 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:46:19
I hope we use this money towards signing McNeil and Patterson. Dwight because he can cross a ball like few others can. And Patterson because I'd prefer lose a few million on a player that doesn't make it rather than see him become the next Andy Robertson, playing for one of the Sky 6.
4 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:47:38
5 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:47:53
Maybe there is a loan fee on top or maybe the deal includes Juventus letting us off payments from the original deal. Or maybe it's being reported a bit wrong. Something must be up; otherwise, I don't really see the sense in this deal.
6 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:48:29
7 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:51:22
We are much better off with players who are proud to play for us than those that give the impression that they are too good for us without any form on the pitch to back that up.
Good luck to him but, more importantly, good luck to players in the team who want to be there and who want to do their best for Everton, not someone else.
8 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:51:24
9 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:56:09
Personally, I don't think he's got a fraction of Balotelli's ability, but some big clubs seem to disagree with me.
10 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:57:16
11 Posted 28/08/2021 at 14:59:08
12 Posted 28/08/2021 at 15:01:16
His show reel on YouTube (ie, highlights of his career) never really suggested much and he lived up to that.
Our recruitment (ie, player's ability, character, adaptability, versatility, mental strength) has been so crap since Moshiri came: Steve Walsh was crap and I've not been particularly impressed with Brands either.
I like Farhad but he seems unable to spot talent in a footballing business arena. Hence we end up with average to mediocre and it's a darn shame.
We all dreamed of what we could achieve with real funding at the club and the highlights have been Glyfi Sigurdsson, Yannick Bolaise and Theo Walcott. Not very inspiring
13 Posted 28/08/2021 at 15:07:13
Hopefully we now get Diaz, Rondon and a right back without losing Richarlison. That would represent as good a window as we could probably expect in the circumstances - and leave the squad in decent shape to compete in the upper regions of our 6th to 10th zone. Who knows, maybe higher.
14 Posted 28/08/2021 at 17:02:45
15 Posted 28/08/2021 at 17:40:05
16 Posted 28/08/2021 at 17:42:20
I agree that this doesn't gel.
PSG wanted him on loan and he seemed to want the same, but EFC refused.
I'm willing to bet that PSG would pay a higher loan fee than Juventus and given his success there last season, any required permanent signing fee would also be likely to be higher.
So why are the club accepting so much less now ?
Maybe they are desperate to offset FFP but why go for a deal with Juventus which was refused for PSG ?
17 Posted 28/08/2021 at 17:49:56
18 Posted 28/08/2021 at 17:50:47
19 Posted 28/08/2021 at 17:51:57
20 Posted 28/08/2021 at 17:58:33
He is part of the disease that is spoiling football.
A worm of the highest order.
21 Posted 28/08/2021 at 18:03:55
22 Posted 28/08/2021 at 18:05:02
23 Posted 28/08/2021 at 18:13:11
He's tempestuous, sulky and hasn't shown like he'll ever repay the fanfare that was giving to him when he joined.
It's too easy for these highly paid youngsters to come in and act like prima donnas! They're still getting paid, they still have a fucking job to do! Get on and do it well and you'll be rewarded!
I'd rather have twenty Grays, Calvert-Lewins and Godfreys than one Kean.
24 Posted 28/08/2021 at 19:07:30
25 Posted 28/08/2021 at 19:28:57
26 Posted 28/08/2021 at 19:38:22
Transfer fees are spread over the duration of the players contract, so each year, a player's book value diminishes by the amount in the previous year's accounts.
So if a transfer fee is £25M and the player has a 5 year contract, each year the fee is shown as £5M, and the players book value diminishes by that amount. Or the fee breakdown is agreed and shown as something else.
So after 2 years, the book value is £25M less 2 x £5M = £15M.
Last season the player was on loan and a fee may have been payable and his wages had been paid. Now he is going on loan for 2 years. There may be a fee payable each year, or any transfer fee due might be waived, we never know this of course. But his book value at the end of those 2 years reduces to £5M.
We get paid £17M at that time, so the bean counters are pleased. They are important in any FFP related situation. Result: happiness.
Similarly any player signed on free, like James, or a home grown player, has nil book value, so any fee received is beneficial from a FFP point of view.
All this might be bollocks, of course because we don't know the details, but I think in theory it could work something like that.
27 Posted 28/08/2021 at 19:47:34
What went wrong?
28 Posted 28/08/2021 at 21:00:37
If it is a 2-year loan, that means we've only paid about 1½ years of wages out of his 5-year contract, there's that extra savings.
My one question is that, with the club sanctioning a loan deal, plus the James departure rumoured to be a loan to Porto as part of the Diaz deal, are the club banking on a Richarlison deal to help balance the wage issue?
29 Posted 28/08/2021 at 23:42:42
So let's say he kicks on at Juve… they get to buy him for a measly £17M? By that time he could be worth three times that amount.
And if we can't command a decent, immediate transfer fee for somebody like Kean, what hope of getting rid of the other dead wood?
This has to go down as yet another of Brands's ever-growing list of failures.
30 Posted 28/08/2021 at 23:56:35
31 Posted 29/08/2021 at 01:21:18
32 Posted 29/08/2021 at 01:42:31
He won't be much missed.
33 Posted 29/08/2021 at 02:57:13
Playing for PSG, with its megastars and its limited competition, enabled him to shine. Hopefully the same will occur in Italy for Juventus.
I am sure we are going to lose money on this fella but I don't believe he will ever make it in the Premier League and so let's cut ties now. This will give us the opportunity to bring somebody in who can be an understudy to Calvert-Lewin or work in tandem when required.
Let's move on from another failure and bring somebody in who can provide some value. It appears that Rafa has a good idea of what is required and Kean seems to be surplus to requirements.
34 Posted 29/08/2021 at 04:12:14
I know Covid has altered the market somewhat, but it's hard to believe we have a young asset coveted by the likes of Juventus and PSG and we're somehow going to take a loss on him. I hope, as Sam suggested, there might be more to the fine print.
On a side-note, I have a Kean jersey, which now seems like an utterly ridiculous purchase, but I got it during my trip to Goodison in 2019, so it'll always be special to me.
35 Posted 29/08/2021 at 05:17:07
36 Posted 29/08/2021 at 05:21:04
You're on the right track. Remember when Man City sold Robinho who they bought for £32.5M and sold for £18.5M? They booked £16.5M in profit on the sale!
37 Posted 29/08/2021 at 08:06:59
The fact is, he doesn't have the ability to play the lone striker and lacks the sort of pace that can scare defenders. He does have good technique and an eye for goal, and in a front two, he could be effective.
In terms of team morale, I suspect he would be a difficult character. Does anyione recall watching a video from Finch Farm where Kean and Digne competed against one another trying to throw an American Football into a wheelie bin? Digne beat him but he looked so pissed-off throughout. Not a smirk in sight.
What is wrong with these guys? Richarlison trying to take the pen yesterday, obviously against instructions! Such prima-donnas! Spoilt brats of the highest order.
At least Richarlison got over it straight away. It seems to me that, once Dunc hooked him at Old Trafford, the kid has hated the club.
38 Posted 29/08/2021 at 08:08:01
39 Posted 29/08/2021 at 08:08:01
40 Posted 29/08/2021 at 08:28:04
The one thing worrying me is the lesser sighted Godfrey. Is he going to be the curveball sacrificial FFP goat?
41 Posted 29/08/2021 at 08:36:30
As far as I can recall, he's done nothing much to deserve this other than not smiling a lot and the odd social media misstep; though he was all smiles during the Iwobi celebration against Huddersfield.
I don't remember him being late for training or spatting with teammates or ever not running for the ball etc. He's clearly not desperate to play for Everton but perhaps that's understandable given his lack of time here compared to other options.
Is it possible that this narrative, propagated by the likes of Souness, that he has a bad attitude or is a troublemaker of sorts is based on a false narrative with some racial undertones?
42 Posted 29/08/2021 at 08:46:25
I hate to think what his value would drop to 12 months from now, with little playing time, if he had stayed.
43 Posted 29/08/2021 at 08:49:34
There has certainly been propagation of distorted comment about Kean in the media by the likes of former RS, but it's no doubt because he plays for Everton and nothing to do with race. The only colour bias here is anti-blue.
44 Posted 29/08/2021 at 09:15:05
If James really does want to go somewhere that he's loved, then maybe he should take a lead from Willian, who has just ripped up his Arsenal contract and agreed to take a 70% pay-cut (he will still be on an absolute fortune) to go back home and play football.
45 Posted 29/08/2021 at 09:38:15
Yes we don't know the ins and outs of the deal but last season we were talking about his value going to £40M for his PSG exploits. Something is rotten in Denmark here.
I have a feeling some of our renewed energy and commitment so far this season is down to us having some new faces who are genuinely thrilled to be playing for Everton. Townsend again yesterday just beaming, absolutely beaming when asked about playing for a "big club like Everton", Gray similarly over recent weeks. If we get a couple more in and shift a couple more out and the ones we get in are as committed to the shirt, then we could be in for a really good season.
The more I think about Patterson, the more I think he is the ideal signing for our right-back problem. The way Seamus has upped his game smacks of a man with a point to prove and he really seems to be loving life under Rafa as well. What a pro that boy is, I love him. He could take the young Patterson under his wing and blood him in slowly for the club, that is the kind of pro he is.
46 Posted 29/08/2021 at 09:45:47
Moise Kean was brought here as a player considered good enough for Juve but at a club with too many top forwards.
We watched him play in multiple games. He was poor. Poor touch, low energy, negative body language, weak shooting.
The lad then goes to PSG and scores a lot of goals. Was he at a club that he no longer considered to be beneath him? Who knows, but good riddance.
If you want to see racism, you will see it – regardless of the facts.
47 Posted 29/08/2021 at 09:55:50
48 Posted 29/08/2021 at 09:58:34
On the touch thing Anthony, we could end up going down the Lukaku debate with that. And there is a valid debate, but he's a striker who scores and makes goals.
Kean clearly doesn't want to be at Everton, so it's best all around if he goes and makes it elsewhere. And he will.
49 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:02:05
Hoping they're paying a loan fee plus a payment for a permanent deal, with maybe the former only offset if they actually buy. Assuming we got a loan fee from PSG, then maybe we won't lose too much once the saga ends in 2-3 years. However, “hoping we don't lose too much” is embarrassing business for a player still widely viewed as having potential to get back in the Italy squad.
I guess that, compared to the likes of Bolasie, the Icelander, Sandro, et al it's seen as progress in the boardroom.
50 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:04:45
51 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:06:05
You are not accusing anyone specifically but then you did choose to make a point specifically about racism as it relates to how footballers may be perceived.
N-one on this thread made any comments about the fact that there are, of course, cretins that are racially biased. You chose to bring this point up for some reason.
Perhaps you were just falling over yourself to project your moral superiority? There are plenty of other platforms and websites for that kind of posturing.
52 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:06:32
A big 48 hours coming up. We have deadwood, but also a threadbare squad.
53 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:09:30
However, he hasn't, as Sam points out, done half the things Balotelli did, so the association in this case (probably because Souness couldn't think of anyone else of the same skin colour to compare him to) ends up being damaging to the reputation of the player. Souness though, is an ex-Red, so can say or do anything he wants in the media.
54 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:14:54
Feel free to throw labels like moral superiority or posturing all you want, not sure its helpful.
55 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:20:04
I doubt very much we will be receiving a loan fee but would guess our fee payments for this season and next will be waived. If Sky are reporting a sale at £17M at the end of 2 years, that will be a profit in real terms (given we won't have paid 2 instalments and received a loan fee from PSG last season) but also in accounting terms given his value in our books will be circa £5M and we'd receive £17M.
Could have been a great deal; turned out the lad wasn't mature enough to deal with the Premier League. We move on.
56 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:21:06
I've always thought it was a valid comparison as they are both obviously talented footballers from Italy who were overhyped and sadly never seemed likely to deliver on their talents, in part due to off-field distractions.
57 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:25:48
I think that's Kean's situation. He's not world class – yet. He may get there. So no-one is going to give him leeway on his attitude if he's not a world beater already. He's definitely not terrible and I think he is ahead of Calvert-Lewin as a striker when Calvert-Lewin was 20 or 21. Although that doesn't necessarily mean he will be as good as Calvert-Lewin when he hits 23 or 24.
I don't think the situation will improve soon unless the player can improve soon. So best to part ways and wish him all the best. Rafa has done well in identifying players like Gray, so let's hope the next back-up striker is really good as well and we have then moved on.
58 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:31:21
About 50% of our first team are BAME. I don't think we are alone in the Premier League in having such a diverse group. Therefore, comparisons between players will sometimes be between two black players regardless of the nature of the comparison.
Despite Souness being extremely annoying, I don't think that it is fair to suggest he is racially profiling because he made a possibly lazy comparison.
Don't forget that Balotelli is an Italian centre-forward who came here as a young player with loads of potential and a lot of physical strength. Just like Kean.
59 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:35:23
60 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:42:06
61 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:48:51
We still owe Juventus the main part of his transfer fee – that will be written off obviously; throw in his wages, and presume there's a loan fee from them to take him (couple of million usually), then it probably adds up to a very small profit.
He's also one of Riola's so it could also include the odd back hander for future deals with others of his.
All speculation. But the bottom line is that we don't need to sell him. It would be handy, but not necessary, so there's no need to lose money on him. My guess is that they ain't gonna give more details about the deal until the deal is done. Let's see where we are come Wednesday, after the window is shut.
62 Posted 29/08/2021 at 10:54:46
63 Posted 29/08/2021 at 11:15:45
He clearly doesn't want to be here, so we need to get rid. Same goes for Rodriguez although the latter is a bigger loss, given his obvious talent.
On the Richarlison penalty take incident: yes, I get that he is hungry to score – all goal-scorers are keen to improve their tally and he clearly is a team player, but he seems to get off lightly from some who were only too keen to lambast Mirallas (rightly so).
64 Posted 29/08/2021 at 11:45:03
There is the difference in these two players. One has basically decided he never wanted to be here and the other works his socks off for the cause. I can forgive Richarlison for his stroppy behaviour and sulky mush but not Kean.
Rafa seems to want guys who will gel into a team. His new recruits are buying into the ethos. Now the likes of Doucouré and Allan are fighting fir, we are seeing stand-out performances from them.
The likes of James and Kean think firstly about themselves. This has to have an effect on the morale within the squad.
For me, the quicker these two leave, the better.
65 Posted 29/08/2021 at 12:03:23
We're giving him away because no-one will pay money for him, it's that simple.
66 Posted 29/08/2021 at 12:58:28
Why is it inappropriate?
67 Posted 29/08/2021 at 15:02:37
68 Posted 29/08/2021 at 18:48:33
69 Posted 29/08/2021 at 19:30:15
70 Posted 29/08/2021 at 19:41:11
71 Posted 29/08/2021 at 20:02:48
72 Posted 29/08/2021 at 20:09:27
Sometimes you have to cut your losses. It's a shame we can't offload him now for a fee of £25 million, so the memory of him ever being here can just drift away like a strange fever dream.
Lots of people got very excited about the supposed coup of us signing him out of the blue, and there are still a few that think that he's going to somehow go from displaying a below-average set of basic footballing skills and dubious application to suddenly being world-class in two or three years. I cannot see it myself.
He may score a handful of penalty box finishes playing for a top side that can afford to carry his limited abilities anywhere else on the field, but for any team that lacks the abilities to dominate opponents week after week his limitations are stark and are likely to grate very quickly.
73 Posted 29/08/2021 at 20:12:23
Walking on eggshells and being well aware of the pejorative label that "woke" has become, I believe that there has been some criticism of Moise Kean that has racist undertones.
I should make it clear that I refer to no-one on this site. I spoke to a few local blues over the last while and, frankly, what they said was... inappropriate.
74 Posted 29/08/2021 at 20:12:37
We'll never really know. He clearly has talent, but that's never enough on its own. Sometimes things just don't work out.
Good luck to the lad, let's reinvest wisely and move on.
75 Posted 29/08/2021 at 20:23:45
Derek K tells me we share a similar back problem. So maybe we can help each other up at the Bramley-Moore get together. I will test out how well Tramadol and Guiness mix.
76 Posted 29/08/2021 at 21:54:56
For the record, we all know full well what Mike and Sam are referring to; I for one just think it is complete bollocks.
77 Posted 29/08/2021 at 22:25:02
The only club Kean wanted to join was PSG and they wouldn't cough so "pandering" to him didn't figure. We couldn't sell him because no-one would pay, hence the only way to get him out (temporarily at least) was to more or less give him away, which is exactly what has happened, thank god.
78 Posted 29/08/2021 at 22:48:21
With the strength in depth at Man City, Man Utd and Liverpool, it would seem inevitable Everton will finish outside the Top 6 again unless they avoid injuries and suspensions for the rest of the season.
79 Posted 29/08/2021 at 22:55:27
Anyway, yes, thank god. He's gone! Unless they don't make the Champions League in the next 2 years.
80 Posted 29/08/2021 at 23:08:17
My memory of him is how shattered he was after he accidentally caused McCarthy's broken leg in that challenge. He was brought to tears.
81 Posted 29/08/2021 at 23:30:31
100% he's the same ilk as the Mario Bellatolli of this game.
When he's won his football honours, then I will applaud, any credit where it's due, but never to some mirage of a footballer.
Moise Kean, potential for sure, he is it not world class and not proven, nor close to proven being close to world class.
What is there to defend, other than providence? He's not done it, and PSG, and Juventus and Italy have stated their views.
Everton have sanctioned his 2-year loan back to Juventus. That's life.
82 Posted 30/08/2021 at 02:49:31
Is that the Partizan Belgrade level of support we give new players?
Other than that, could you try again to explain what you are trying to say?
83 Posted 30/08/2021 at 06:19:58
84 Posted 30/08/2021 at 07:53:15
85 Posted 30/08/2021 at 08:53:58
I then watched the few minutes he played for us on TV and I wasn't exactly convinced. I went to see him play at Goodison; if I remember right, it was when the Blades put us to the sword 0-2 (See what I did there?) and yep, he was complete rubbish!
As for any racial overtones, I couldn't give a damn if he was black, white, orange or pink with blue spots – he was and he is complete and utter garbage and Brands should get the boot for this poor signing alone.
86 Posted 30/08/2021 at 09:43:09
Two years and he is away, did he really want to be at Everton?
Let's cash in.
87 Posted 30/08/2021 at 13:42:15
Im not having any suggestions of him not being given a chance either. Hes a spoilt brat. In over 40 games, hes done Jack shit.
Another young kid whos actual ability does not justify the ego.
Get rid and reinvest his fee and wages. You only have to compare this sulky petulant fucker to someone like Townsend or Gray. Theyd run through brick walls for us and cost fuck all. Kean wouldnt cross a road for us. Were beneath him or so he thinks. All because he came through at Juve and played in a pub league for PSG. Id score 20 for them.
See you later, lad. Ill file you under Kroldrup and Delph. Shite.
88 Posted 30/08/2021 at 13:51:59
Kean couldn't cut the mustard in the Premier League and from what I've seen, and I've seen all his Everton appearances, he never will.
We took a (somewhat expensive) punt on a promising young player and it didn't work out.
The deal looks like we've covered our expenditure so let's move on and spend the money on someone who wants to be here and can contribute something to the squad (or 'group' as they seem to call it, these days).
89 Posted 30/08/2021 at 14:03:32
Transfer fee £25m. We paid £5m Upfront = £20m.
PSG pad last years instalment =£15m.
We're not paying them the balance.
In 2 years Juve will pay us £17m.
90 Posted 30/08/2021 at 14:07:58
Should have taken the PSG deal a few weeks ago but cant win them all.
Priority over the next 36 hrs is a RB and keeping Richarlison. Hopefully a £10m bid for Patterson will be enough. Wasnt too keen on Maitland- Niles myself.
91 Posted 30/08/2021 at 14:16:33
But, Kean is only 21. The kid has potential. I wouldn't write him of as not being good enough for the Premier League just yet and wouldn't be surprised to see him back in England in a few years.
Remember when Dominic was considered Championship standard at best?
It is best for all concerned right now, but I'm disappointed it hasn't worked.
92 Posted 30/08/2021 at 14:37:30
93 Posted 30/08/2021 at 14:50:10
I get your Balotelli reference. Its an obvious & understandable one.
Interestingly, I saw a much more mature interview yesterday from another who's attitude has been questioned as he grew and developed. Pogba
94 Posted 30/08/2021 at 15:13:32
95 Posted 30/08/2021 at 15:23:16
96 Posted 30/08/2021 at 20:08:43
97 Posted 30/08/2021 at 20:39:47
98 Posted 30/08/2021 at 20:41:14
99 Posted 30/08/2021 at 20:57:20
100 Posted 31/08/2021 at 10:28:42
101 Posted 01/09/2021 at 16:18:05
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