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Tottenham in 'advanced talks' over Richarlison transfer

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Tottenham Hotspur are reportedly in negotiations with Richarlison over a proposed £51m move from Everton.

According to a number of outlets citing Bruno Andrade of UOL Esporte, the Brazilian has emerged as a top target for Spurs as they look ahead to their return to the Champions League this coming season and they have made the first move ahead of rival suitors like Arsenal and Chelsea.

At this stage, the talks appear to have been with the player over personal terms as Everton have not, at this stage, received a formal offer.

Richarlison is believed to be considering his options this summer after changing agents earlier this year, perhaps in order to facilitate a move to a club offering European football.

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Evertonians are largely resigned to losing the 25-year-old following another year where they failed to qualify for Europe and though he would leave with most fans' blessing, they would surely have preferred he move on to a club on the Continent rather than one in the Premier League and for a lot higher fee than €60m.

However, the reality of the Blues' financial restrictions is such that they may have to accept a lower fee than their valuation in order to raise much-needed funds for incoming transfers.

Subsequent reports have suggested that Everton will be looking for a minimum of £60m for Richarlison and that Spurs would consider offering Harry Winks and Lucas Moura in part-exchange.



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Joe Digney
1 Posted 11/06/2022 at 14:24:39
Richarlison to Tottenham is picking up pace on Twitter over the past hour. Reports saying €60M.

Hope it's just lazy journos at it again.

Brian Williams
2 Posted 11/06/2022 at 15:35:54
Lots of stories now telling of advanced talks for Richarlison to Spurs for £51M (both English teams involved so why Euros?).

I certainly hope it's not true at that price. It's about £14M shy of his true value, in my opinion.

Joe McMahon
3 Posted 11/06/2022 at 15:44:02
Richarlison is worth far more surely! Man City paid £100M for Grealish.
Alan J Thompson
4 Posted 11/06/2022 at 16:23:32
Brian;

I'd have thought Richarlison is worth a lot more given today's market values and certainly compared to the £40M we may have to lash out on Dele Alli, unless some part if not all of that is also wiped clean on top. A sad day if true though.

Mike Gaynes
5 Posted 11/06/2022 at 16:35:28
Brian, it's about the media outlet reporting the story (and their readership). If it's a British outlet, they'll report the number in pounds (£51M). If European, they'll use the euros figure (€60M).

If it makes you feel any better, in the US media he's worth $63M.

Steve Shave
6 Posted 11/06/2022 at 16:38:52
I won't get carried away right now with these Richarlison rumours; no smoke without fire, I'm sure, but nobody really knows the figures being discussed.

It makes sense for both parties, we have to cash in rather than risk him running down his contract next summer and leaving for free the following. Spurs are in the Champions League, new stadium, huge crowds, horrible fans of course but, who could blame him?

He will go with my blessing and I will always love him as a player and for what he did on the pitch for us in a Blue shirt. All that said and done, if that figure of £51M is anywhere near close to what they actually pay, I will lose my shit. We should be discussing figures of £65M up front at least in the current market, as Brian rightly states above.

It's an obscure figure being bandied around so, if there is any truth in that, there has to be a player involved as well (Bergwijn or Winks – I'd prefer the former rather than the latter, I have to say, and go for Gilmour or Berge) or perhaps money knocked off the Dele Alli fee?

This is Everton though, we cannot even seem to sell our stars properly (bar a few exceptions like Stones and perhaps Lukaku). £120M for the pair of Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin or don't sell them.

It does feel like he really is going to someone this summer though and many of us will wish him well and give him a warm reception whenever he visits. I don't like all the falling over but he is a baller, a workhorse, and he would compliment that Spurs front three beautifully, I'm sure.

It's got me thinking about what we will do with the money. Much depends on if anyone is coming the other way, of course. A bid for Lewis-Potter for me, £25M. It would have been Brennan but no way is he coming now Nottm Forest went up.

Speaking of Forest, if rumours are true of Kenny going there I think it would be a good move, good luck to the lad.

Tony Twist
7 Posted 11/06/2022 at 16:47:28
It is time for Moshiri to really make a statement, not the hollow statement released this week but in the sale of our assets. No soft touches.

Spurs in for Richarlison at £51M??? C'mon, give a glimpse of the commitment as shown by the fans and sell for a decent price – not a weak, "We are in financial troubles"-like sale to a club that over-prices its own players but expects us to sell on the cheap. Tell Spurs to piss off unless they come back with a sensible offer.

Richarlison has scored goals at the highest level, even after two non-stop seasons playing and what's more playing with niggling injuries. £51M for our prized asset is a joke.

The supporters have done the hard slog keeping this club in the Premier League – it's time for the board to repay that faith and reward the fans with deals that are very good for the football club. If forced and this is the going price, then sell him abroad – not to a Premier League team.

Mal van Schaick
8 Posted 11/06/2022 at 16:48:40
No way. Stupid Everton losing one of their better players. How does this shown ambition?

Skint or not, keep him at all costs.

Jack Convery
9 Posted 11/06/2022 at 16:53:00
If the £51M reported fee is correct, then we are giving him away. If the deal is to offer us a discounted Winks or Bergwijn, then no thanks.

Let's have a £60M fee minimum plus £20M of add-ons for performance and objectives achieved, over the length of his contract.

And the deal with Deli Ali is now null and void and we owe then nothing. No point in saying it depends on trophies won, as Spurs win fuck-all.

Michael Lynch
10 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:00:03
Didn't see that one coming, I must admit. Okay, Champions League football, and Conte is a great manager, but for some reason I don't see Spurs as a big enough step up for him. Dunno why, because of course there's a huge gulf between us and them these days.

I think £51M is a bit on the low side, but I can't complain at him wanting to move on. He's given everything for us, and there's no obvious reason to suspect we will ever give him European football or get him to a cup final.

Phil Head
11 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:05:08
The season ended with me resigned to losing Richarlison, with my blessing.

If anyone deserves to be surrounded by better players, in a team fighting for top honours, it's him.

But to lose him to Tottenham, with that smug chairman, for a poultry £51M and another one of their cast-offs to boot? I honestly don't think this club can stoop any lower?

All I can say is, we will get what we deserve and I'll be expecting another apology from Moshiri, Lampard and Co for their latest piece of rank mis-management.

Steve Shave
12 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:14:30
Let's just wait and see eh? No point in getting knickers in a twist till we know what the deal is, if at all.

Jack 8 that's the spirit mate, hardball. Michael 10 I know what you mean, I didn't see Spurs as a viable option but why not? They have everything he would be looking for.

If I were Moshiri I'd be texting me mate Jim at Sky and telling him Carlo is sniffing around to bump up the price.

Alan McGuffog
13 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:15:12
Bloody hilarious if it is true. Spurs offer €51m and we beat them down to €40m probably.
The reds get an offer from Bayern for Mane and tell them to shove it.
Like I said maybe not true but this is Everton
Matthew Johnson
14 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:21:06
“At this stage, the talks appear to have been with the player over personal terms.”

Surely they can't be doing that while the player is still under contract to Everton, unless it is with our blessing I guess?

Mike Gaynes
15 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:35:46
Very interesting gamble by Richi if true.

His preferred positions are left forward and central striker, and Spurs have better players -- MUCH better -- in both positions. So either Richi moves to the right side or he sits behind Son and Kane.

And if the latter, he seriously risks his position in Brazil's first 11 at the WC. Their manager Tite will never start a player who isn't starting for his club.

Richi better know what he's doing.

Michael Kenrick
16 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:36:44
Matthew, if true it will be with his representatives rather than him.

And since the transfer window opened officially yesterday, it's open season for shooting sitting ducks in our shallow little pond.

Brian Wilkinson
17 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:41:01
I cannot see it being £51 Million, there must be something else in it, either to do with Alli or a make weight player plus cash.

If it is for that amount, I would certainly add in a large percentage add on clause for future sale.

Gordon should be ready to fill that position out on the left, if however we decide to let Calvert-Lewin go as well, well we really are in the shit.

Michael Kenrick
18 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:45:27
It must all be true: there's an 'incredible' aerial update from the new stadium site to distract us...
Matthew Johnson
19 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:46:58
anyone know the current position with Dele - can we still hand him back or are we obligated for the £40m
Steve Shave
20 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:47:55
I think we have to pay Watford 10% so we really would be flippin' mad to sell for that.
Lyndon Lloyd
21 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:48:10
Construction continues for the next two years, Michael. Expect many of the regular updates from the club on the stadium's progress to coincide with all kinds of news, even bad news...
Christy Ring
22 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:52:48
I'd be very disappointed to see Richarlison leave, but if he wants to go, I wish him well. The speculation regarding the fee, if it is £60m, (whether we are in financial woes or not), is ridiculously undervalued for the Brazilian star, and whoever agreed the fee hasn't a clue, £60m + Winks would be about right, if true.
Rob Halligan
23 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:53:21
Matthew # 19. Dele Alli is our player, he’s not on loan.If we want to sell him we can, but we are only obliged to pay spurs £10M if he plays twenty games for us. If we have to pay spurs £40M then it means we’ve won a shit load of trophies with Dele playing a part.
Paul Birmingham
24 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:56:17
I hope this is Media potshot journos, whom are struggling for headlines.

I hope he doesn’t leave but if he does I’d prefer if he went to PSG, Real etc.

But who knows the true position on Everton’s finances.

But I’d not sell him to Spurs as they have mugged Everton off down the years in gazumping potential Everton targets, and he’s worth at least £65M, in my view.

Will Mabon
25 Posted 11/06/2022 at 17:57:51
I'm really not happy at the thought of losing him, particularly to another PL club. If it must happen, then please for once, let's not get shafted in the deal - whether fee, structure, term of payments etc.

However, we have yet to hear the ultimate horror element, should this deal go ahead; the inclusion of Winks. Now that would really suck.

Will Mabon
26 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:00:12
Christy - I now see your mention of Winks after I typed and posted. Not for me, in any universe.
Danny O’Neill
27 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:03:45
Just saw and thought that Michael!!

Matthew Johnson
28 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:12:19
Thanks Rob#23 so £10m then.
Christy Ring
29 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:12:56
Will#26 I think Winks or Gilmour would be an upgrade in midfield, with pace and aggression.
Danny Baily
30 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:16:51
If we use the money to balance the squad, this is good business.
Karl Masters
31 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:17:21
Would he get much game time with Kane, Son and that Swedish fella with the Polish name already up front? Is Lucas Moura still there too?
Christy Ring
32 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:26:22
If Nunez is valued at €100m, how do WE value the Brazilian international and proven Premiership player, €40m less, if the speculation is true.
Will Mabon
33 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:29:06
Christy, I definitely agree on Gilmour though he still needs a year or two to develop further, and another 10 lbs or so on him. Much potential there.

Winks, I just think he's a very ordinary, short-game player that offers little and goes missing in many games. I wouldn't say he adds much usable aggression. Better players to spend our money on.

Kristian Boyce
34 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:30:07
I think this is more his agent pushing stories to firm up deals somewhere else. Unless Son or Kane are leaving, it doesn't make any sense for any of the parties involved.

We're not going to let our prized possession go for basically what we paid for him. Levy doesn't like to spend money and Richarlison isn't going to go somewhere where he isn't a guaranteed starter in a World Cup year.

They just signed Perišić and will be turning Kulusevski's loan deal into a full transfer. They also have Moura who can play in his role too. I know they are getting rid of Bergwijn, but he's very clearly been a back-up player and Richarlison would be replacing him.

Soren Moyer
35 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:33:04
If we need £51M to resolve the FFP issue through selling, why aren't we trying to generate that by shifting of at least 7-8 of our squad members who are not good enough!!!?

Surely it's a better way than selling our best player for way below the market value!

And no to Winks or other Spurs cast-offs!

Time for more bed sheets.

Joe McMahon
36 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:34:42
Agree with others, no to Winks.
Brian Wilkinson
37 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:35:54
I would play hard ball, demand at least £65 Million, then throw in after first offer we will take the £51 Million and a sell on clause, plus Bergwijn and you have a deal.
Will Mabon
38 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:38:34
Kristian, Spurs are probably in a better position to carry a larger and more expensive squad though, Levy notwithstanding, providing the players will tolerate it.

However, I can't imagine Richarlison ever wanting to miss out on playing at any time, for any reason, money, club success or whatever. I almost think he'd play for free.

Michael McGrath
39 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:39:46
Hold out – and sell Richarlison to Ancellotti for £100 million!
Danny O’Neill
40 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:40:28
Probably because no one will have them Soren!

I won't even attempt to predict who we could or would or should buy and ideally, I don't want to lose Richarlison, but I'll say what I've said before. We shouldn't necessarily be afraid of selling our best players as long as we reinvest wisely.

We know who and Tottenham with the sales of Modric and Bale have done this in recent years. Tottenham, if they want him, can offer Richarlison Champions League football even though in the past few years, they sold their best players.

If it happened Kristian, can you imagine a front three with Kane as point with Richarlison and Son supporting?

Brian Hennessy
41 Posted 11/06/2022 at 18:42:22
Calm down, lads. The fee is £51 Million but Bill has pulled the wool over Levy's eyes as we get another £20 million if Brazil go on to win the Eurovision.
John McFarlane Snr
42 Posted 11/06/2022 at 19:03:15
HI Mal [8],

It's not really a case of Everton 'losing' Richarlison, it appears to be a case of Richarlison 'wishing' to leave Everton.

Trevor Peers
43 Posted 11/06/2022 at 19:04:16
Scandalous if that £51 million fee is true. That's what we paid for him and he has years left on his contract. We'll be back in the Bottom 6 without his goals so what is Kenwright playing at? He shouldn't have any part in the negotiations, £90 million would be much more realistic or keep him.

Don't like the look of Gilmour for Scotland either, he would be a very poor signing. Far too weak and not a goal in him. Obafemi for Ireland looks the business, sign him instead, he looks dangerous and scored an absolute screamer today!

Mick Roberts
44 Posted 11/06/2022 at 19:08:38
Moshri has just apologized for poor transfer dealing... if he lets Richarlison go for £51M, then it just shows nothing has changed. Only Everton constantly sell players well below their true worth.
Kevin Prytherch
45 Posted 11/06/2022 at 19:12:00
£51 million is at least £29 million too low.
Pat Kelly
46 Posted 11/06/2022 at 19:16:40
We won't replace Richarlison with anyone of his quality so we're going to struggle up front. Gordon and Alli are not in the same league. This will hurt us like losing Lukaku.
Barry Rathbone
47 Posted 11/06/2022 at 19:33:43
We'll get more if he's as good as some claim and the real money clubs join in a bidding war. But by the looks of things, Spurs are the only game in town so snaffle what we can and get Frank spending.

I wouldn't be surprised if he bombs at a higher level; he's half-decent in our lower mid-table stupor but that won't be enough in the upper echelons. He's certainly not top-notch and getting our money back on him would be a result if no-one else is interested.

Mark Ryan
48 Posted 11/06/2022 at 19:45:53
We must generate cash and so he'll be gone.

Good luck, Richy, you played your heart out for us. I hope you win the Champions League in your first season with Spurs. A well-run club that ToffeeWebbers constantly slag off for being a shit club. Wish we were as shit.

Kevin Molloy
49 Posted 11/06/2022 at 19:55:23
If he goes for £51M this early, it's a fire sale – no question. Let's fervently hope not.
Gary Jones
50 Posted 11/06/2022 at 19:57:31
We currently have just two players capable of 10+ goals in this league, and he's one of them. Simms, Dobbin and Dele may be others, but it'd take a brave bet to gamble on it.

Whatever “gentleman's agreement” exists to let him go this summer is simply irrelevant. Unless and until we have a) suitable replacements in the bag, and b) get a big enough fee to buy them, we've got to be tough on this.

The World Cup is in November so he's not going to down tools for 3 months. Genuine chance of him coming out of that as a golden boot, in which case £51M will make us look like fools on the world stage.

Don't get me wrong. I love this kid, I love the way he's going about it. I actually want him to get a dream move to wherever the hell he wants, but we've got to come out of this stronger. We were one loss away from Championship football last season. We have no space to move.

Kristian Boyce
51 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:07:35
Danny #39, that's a pretty tasty front 3.

If we're accepting £51M, then we're in a worse financial state than we first thought.

Also, this also announces to others that we're open to lower offers on other players, so I can see sub £50M bid coming in for Calvert-Lewin soon.

It also makes me think if there was an agreement in the Dele Alli deal that we'd do something at a knock-down price.

Tony Everan
52 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:08:16
No to Winks, or Bergwjn as a makeweight or Levy may as well pull our trousers down now and get his favourite bratwurst out of the fridge.

I think we are looking to get this business done early to give us plenty of time to manoeuvre. Having Tottenham enter the fray will hopefully now give Chelsea, PSG or Real Madrid the impetus to bid.

Levy is the shrewdest of the shrewd. He is testing the water and seeing what the competition is for him. Why pay more if there is no serious competition for him from the likely suspects?

If he does go to Tottenham it will hopefully be for at least £60M plus the negating of any future Dele Alli fees. We need every penny to strengthen our midfield and replace Richarlison.

I still think Chelsea or another big Champions League club will come in for him with a much more realistic offer and he will prefer them to Spurs.

Denis Richardson
53 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:10:02
£51M is a joke of a price – but knowing us we'd probably offer lower. The current Everton way is "buy high, sell low" after all.

He's worth at least £75M in today's market and the likes of PSG would likely pay that.

25 years old, a Brazilian international, extremely high workrate and scores goals. If Levy manages to get him for just £51M, then we're even more of a joke than I thought we were.

Chris Green
54 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:13:07
Firstly, it says that only personal terms have been discussed and we haven't received an official bid, so, can we all settle down with the "£51M isn't enough" talk?

It's journo talk. They might want to bid that, and it might be what they do bid, but that doesn't mean it will be accepted. No bid has gone in. And no negotiation has started.

Hopefully the club will see what the others are bidding for Nunez and play a similar figure, in the same way Spurs did with Kane last year.

Brian Hennessy
55 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:17:24
If I'm not mistaken, Richarlison is out of contract in 2 years.

That will have a major impact on his transfer fee in a time when many players are opting to run down their contracts, or leave in the final year for hugely reduced fees.

If we were flush for cash, we could reject any offers… but that's not the case. I think we are living in an age when transfer fees are reducing and players' wages increasing.

Ed Prytherch
56 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:18:16
I hope that Mike Gaynes (15) is right and that Richarlsion thinks through the consequences of leaving for a team that only just qualified for the Champions League. I would be happier to see him go to Real Madrid.
Soren Moyer
57 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:20:42
Mick 43.

I guarantee you nothing has changed. I bet Moshiri doesn't even know he has sent that letter!!!!

PSG have just appointed Luis Campos as technical adviser so there is a hope that he brings Richarlison to PSG. I don't want him to go but, if we must sell him, then I'd rather we sell him to a big continental club than bloody Spurs!

Sam Hoare
58 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:32:37
It won't be as low as £51M but I think it's possible the paucity of talent at our disposal has maybe inflated our opinion of Richarlison somewhat.

Don't get me wrong – he is my favourite player and the best we have at the moment... but his tally of 86 goals in 284 games is very decent but not spectacular.

It is also well known that he is pretty keen to leave and that we are short of money. And as Brian @54 says, his contract with us is not long. We cannot afford to risk missing out on our one sellable asset.

I think people expecting £80/90M+ are going to be disappointed. I think he will go for between £65-75M unless Real Madrid enter the picture and really fancy him. But the truth is that other teams and their fans do not see him the same way we do.

Most Spurs fans think he would be unlikely to dislodge either Son or Kulusevski and they might be right. He's a very good player but, much as we would sorely miss him, he's not (yet) world class.

Denis Richardson
59 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:32:57
Chris @53,

A friend who's a Spurs fan, and seems to hear things there early, told me about 3 weeks ago that Spurs were looking at Richarlison. I think this story has legs and would not be surprised if behind-the-scenes talks have already started even though no 'official' bid has been put in.

I would be livid if we get that low a price and also allow Spurs to offload Winks on us. Winks is bang average and Spurs have been trying to get rid of him for a while. Low fee plus Winks would be a really demoralising start to the window and suggests another relegation battle to look forward to if it happens.

Hopefully one of the bigger boys will come in for him – he deserves a better club than Spurs imo, one where he can actually win something,

Brian Williams
60 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:40:24
He's not (yet) world class.

Tell that to his international teammates and the Brazilian supporters.

Danny O’Neill
61 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:41:31
Kristian, your Alli reference makes me think back to Rooney. We started getting United players (eg,Howard, Neville). It's probably how they paid off a chunk of the fee without furnishing our bank account with the money.

I guess that's how some deals work. If we agreed £20M for Alli (??), they bid £50M and tell us to forget the Alli money and keep the player, then it is a £70M deal. So if that's what has been or ends up being negotiated, I don't think it's knock-down. Maybe £5M short of his value, but there or thereabouts if a club was buying him cash upfront so to speak.

The worry here in my opinion is we have a club and board notorious for bad transfer negotiations dealing with a businessman and tough negotiator in Levy. Even when he's selling, he's ruthless and rarely budges until he gets his way.

I hate to use the phrase, but talk about taking Bill's knife to have a gunfight with Levy.

We need other interested clubs to spark a bidding war. But then if we keep Alli and have to pay £20M to Tottenham, we'd need to fetch £90M for Richarlison from someone else to get the same financial return.

Would we get that much for him? I doubt it. We'd likely get about £70M and have to pay Tottenham £20M so end up realistically with £50M anyway.

Have I done my maths right? My head hurts trying to work these things out. I prefer the football.

Danny O’Neill
62 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:43:05
About to hit his peak as well, Brian. Let's not forget, we've had him in his formative years.
Dave Abrahams
63 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:43:51
As an Everton fan, if we were signing Richarlison, I wouldn't be impressed. And even less impressed if we were spending £51M on him.

He's never been my cup of tea. In the 4 years I've been watching him, hasn't improved at all in my opinion.

If the story is true, I hope Frank spends the money wisely.

Tom Edwards
64 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:43:57
Whilst not quite an 'Alan Ball to Arsenal' moment, let's face it, we all knew Richarlison would be off sooner rather than later, but it feels like that to me.

I wouldn't begrudge him a move to most teams, with the exception of some fairly obvious ones. Spurs being one of them, but it will be a bitter blow to see him at Goodison wearing their colours and undoubtedly scoring against us.

What bugs me most is that price that's being bandied about. I hope this is just speculation because, in my opinion, he is worth practically double that amount.

All will possibly be revealed in due course, no doubt.

Paul Jones
65 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:53:46
Along with others, I would be pissed off if Daniel Levy managed to send Winks to us for a substantial part of the fee as I do not see how he would be an improvement on what we have in that position.

Everton do have a history of selling their biggest assets below market value with staggered payments, Rooney being the prime example, and paying way over the odds for mediocre surplus-to-requirements stock from other clubs – in particular, Manchester United.

Michael Burke
66 Posted 11/06/2022 at 20:55:22
Sam #57,

A very sensible point. We paid £45M for a midfielder scoring close to 10 goals a season plus assists. We are now expecting to receive £75M for a forward to scores just about 10 goals a season.

I'd be interested to see which other forwards in the Premier League have had similar output to Richarlison these last 3 or 4 years and what we think their valuation is. I'd say we have slightly blue-tinted specs when it comes to his valuation.

Si Cooper
67 Posted 11/06/2022 at 21:04:11
The idea of players or their representatives negotiating before the club has been contacted just seems wrong.

The cheaper the transfer fee, the better the personal terms, so it seems like a player could be influenced to agitate for a move to their preferred club even when they aren't offering the same money as a transfer fee.

Surely, in all fairness, the parent club can set a fee and invite offers, with the player then being allowed to deal with whoever has come to an agreement with the club. We need an auction for this player, not letting him go to the first club to interest him for the sake of a quick and assured sale.

Then again, we have no idea of the various permutations that may flow from the ‘headline' figure. Maybe there will be add-ons, as with the Dele Alli deal?

I'd be interested in some potential Spuds cast-offs (not Winks though) if they could improve our first choice options. They are trying to move to parity with the likes of Man City; we are trying to catch up with Wolves and Crystal Palace.

I still haven't given up on Alli. Perhaps Lampard and his staff can find a way to get the player back to what he was supposed to become and then we won't miss Richarlison so much anyway?

Ian Bennett
68 Posted 11/06/2022 at 21:08:43
In a World Cup year, he'd be mad to move to be being backup to Kane & Son.
Phil Wood
69 Posted 11/06/2022 at 21:14:55
Scary to think our lot negotiating with Daniel Levy.
We'll be lucky to get a Fiver.
Mike Gaynes
70 Posted 11/06/2022 at 21:15:39
Sam #57, Dave #62, Michael #65, agreed. Richarlison is a very good player. He is not a great one. The numbers some folks here expect seem wildly optimistic to me.

Brian #59, I took that as a command. So I called a Brazilian former teammate to ask him. He laughed out loud. To those folks, "world class" is Ronaldo, Romario, Neymar, Bebeto. Our man doesn't even make that conversation. They think Richarlison is very good, love his work rate. They don't rate him world class.

Brendan McLaughlin
71 Posted 11/06/2022 at 21:18:34
Ian #67

With the World Cup beginning in November... he'd surely be taking a risk moving to any club. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...

Danny O’Neill
72 Posted 11/06/2022 at 21:28:41
Phil, I think he'd take pity. He would pay for the coach class train ticket back to Lime Street and give them a tenner to get a drink and a packet of crisps.
Gavin Johnson
73 Posted 11/06/2022 at 21:47:22
The Athletic is saying we will demand more than what's been reported. £51M seems a little cheap unless Spurs are chucking Harry Winks into the deal or writing off the £10M we'll soon owe them for Dele Alli.

Deal should be at £60M minimum, although I would accept £45-50M with Harry Winks coming to us on a full-time deal.

Shaun Laycock
74 Posted 11/06/2022 at 21:51:31
I love Richarlison but I think he is more replaceable than Calvert-Lewin in the current market. There are far more forwards who can play across the front three than centre-forwards who can lead the line... which Richarlison can't do.

Kenny Smith
75 Posted 11/06/2022 at 21:52:44
Haven't felt this bad about a player going since Ferguson went to Newcastle…

Don't get me on Trevor Steven going to Rangers.

Danny O’Neill
76 Posted 11/06/2022 at 22:03:59
Trevor Steven to Rangers, Kenny. Dark days. Don't or we'll be off on the obvious rant.

The Super Cup and Howard going to Bilbao. There you go, you've triggered.

Bill Gall
77 Posted 11/06/2022 at 22:05:57
The player and his representative may or may not have agreed with the player's terms but it's not up to them.

Everton if they want to can deny the player a transfer, unless he has put in a written request that he wants to leave. They can still deny him a transfer but will have a disgruntled player on their hands so normally they agree he can leave

Regardless of what the player and his agent have agreed to, Everton still have to agree with Tottenham for a transfer fee.

It's up to Everton to agree what they value the player and either play hardball or hope other clubs come negotiating and start a bidding war.

Richarlison may have not scored a lot goals this season but, with his injuries and suspensions, he has missed a number of games.

I believe any club who wants him are going on his potential in a good team and that should inflate his price.

Brian Williams
78 Posted 11/06/2022 at 22:09:03
Mike #69,

No, your ex-teammate doesn't rate him as world-class. He's one person. Someone who is a first-choice pick for Brazil, to me, is world-class.

Some of the players you quoted are from the past. I'm looking at the present. He was head and shoulders above anyone else we had. Having said that, you and me would both be that as well with the shite we've had to put up with.

I'll admit he's not your archetypal Brazilian superstar but he almost single-handedly kept us up this season. I will be gutted when he goes.

Sam Hoare
79 Posted 11/06/2022 at 22:36:29
Brian@77, Fred has started the last two games for Brazil and has about 30 caps for them. Would you say he is world class? (I actually rate him quite highly but few Man Utd fans do.)

I will be gutted too. But honestly I think he deserves it. He's more valuable to us than he will be to Spurs or anyone else probably. But that's the nature of it, the best players of poorly performing teams move on. And he has earned it. Let's just hope we spend the money well.

Danny O’Neill
80 Posted 11/06/2022 at 22:42:29
Whatever happens here, invest wisely.

Just as Watford did when they bought him for about £10M and sold him for a price that would or will see them have £40M profit on the basis our deal was based on eventually rising to £50M?

As I said in my previous post, if you take Alli into account, or we just sell him outright, we make £20M if his value is £70M.

Just don't go overspending on overpriced Premier League players because they have Premier League experience. I hate that phrase. Look to South America and the continent to find those hidden gems at better value for money. Look to the USA, dare I say?

And invest and support our local grassroots to find the next Rooney. There will be talent out there.

Sorry. Had to get that one in.

Mike Gaynes
81 Posted 11/06/2022 at 22:44:58
Brian, it was you guys who kept us up this season. The Merseyside fans.

I will be disappointed when Richarlison goes. Not gutted.

I was gutted when James was dumped. And when Rom departed. Before that, gotta go all the way back to Kanchelskis.

Nobody on the current roster would affect me that much, with the possible exception of Pickford.

Derek Thomas
82 Posted 11/06/2022 at 22:46:27
Levy must love dealing with Everton, it's like Delboy vs Trigger.
Mike Kehoe
83 Posted 11/06/2022 at 23:20:11
Imagine Levy must be shitting himself at the prospect of playing hardball with Kenwright.
Sam Hoare
84 Posted 11/06/2022 at 23:20:43
Apparently Sinisterra from Feyenoord is available for £20M. If we sell Richarlison for £70M and replace him with the lightning-quick Colombian and have £50M left over to help buy a top-class central defensive midfielder, I reckon that would be good business, to be honest.
Andy Meighan
85 Posted 11/06/2022 at 23:26:35
I really can't see this being a goer. And if it is, I'll be massively shocked.

Makes me laugh when I hear the words "Champions League football". Yeah, sure… like Spurs will even qualify for the group stages.

What is Champions League football? – Playing at least one half-decent side, playing two ordinary sides, and getting knocked out of the group.

There's really no kudos to this Champions League myth, there's really not. In my view, there's only 4 or 5 sides who realistically can win it and one of them sure ain't Spurs. He'd be a mug to join them because they're only a little bit better than us.

Andy Meighan
86 Posted 11/06/2022 at 23:35:03
Sorry guys meant to say the knockout stage. Even if they do qualify for the group stage.
Pete Hughes
87 Posted 11/06/2022 at 23:35:21
Andy Meigan,

Spurs only a little bit better than us?

Best laugh I've had in ages!

They got in the Top 4 playing some fine football — we only just kept our Premier League status by the fucking skin of our teeth in the penultimate game of the season! 🤣

Neil Carter
88 Posted 11/06/2022 at 23:53:46
Letting Richarlison go on the cheap just adds to the the reason why we are in the shit. Without his goals at the end of the season, we would be a Championship club.

He has 2 years on his deal and is Brazil's first-choice striker, for fuck's sake. Levy is well known for tough dealing and here we go again, rolling over in the market and paying through the nose.

£51M plus Winks maybe – but not my choice for centre mid.
Another year out of Richarlison while a new striker beds in – let's plan in our interests first, for fuck's sake!!!

Makes it look like the plan to a ground build then sell. Moshiri needs to be honest with us. On the pitch, we are behaving like a small selling club.

Steve Brown
89 Posted 12/06/2022 at 00:07:30
I know loads of Spurs fans who are claiming this, but they are deluded. They still think they are a top side!

Richarlison has already responded to the original story on Twitter saying the Spurs link is nonsense.

As for a fee of £51 million, that is about £34 million light on what we will will ask.

Brian Wilkinson
90 Posted 12/06/2022 at 00:15:33
Strange one, really. For me, out of the two, I think for the right price, I would be happier Calvert-Lewin staying. Richarlison has given us some great moments, but we stand a better chance of filling the left side than the centre-forward spot.

We certainly cannot allow both of them to leave this window. So, if it's a case of having to balance the books and bring others in, I cannot see what else we can do.

We certainly have the money, we do not need to sell for the money alone. However, FFP has got us by the cobblers.

As for the gutted, I do not feel anywhere near as bad as when we let Lineker leave, that was a bad one for me, I was absolutely gutted that day.

Fran Mitchell
91 Posted 12/06/2022 at 00:42:53
How much is Richarlison worth?

Difficult question to answer, but the old cliche 'worth what someone is willing to pay' comes to mind.

Many on here seem to think £80M. I assume this is based on the fact that we paid £45M and think his value should have doubled. But, he was never worth £45M when we signed him.

We paid a premium because: 1) Watford were resentful towards Silva and Everton; 2) Silva wanted him so badly; and 3) We are Everton and we overpay.

If we had signed him for say, £25M, which would have been more realistic valuation (he was signed the year previous for £11M, scored 5 Premier League goals, looked exciting but then struggled in a poor team), then selling now for £50M would seem excellent business.

But we paid £45M, so to get just 10% more feels like a mugging.

But he still remains an elusive player. His form kept us up, no doubt, but he is hardly prolific. I like him and think he'll thrive in a better team, but I can't see another club seeing what he's produced in 5 Premier League seasons and thinking: "£80 million player, right there!"

Jamie Crowley
92 Posted 12/06/2022 at 00:50:17
Don't do business with Levy. He's a tough negotiator and he'll leave it until the bitter end, and just beat the shit out of us for price.

Use his offer and find another offer. £75M to £100M — minimum!

We will sorely miss Richarlison if he leaves, which I think he will. He worked his socks off. Richarlison and Gueye have been the two I was most sad to see go.

James Flynn
93 Posted 12/06/2022 at 01:10:43
I'm in the "Hope he stays" but "Think he's going" group.

So we know Richarlison said this about 10 days ago:

“When we talk about changing clubs, it's a little bit complicated due to the history I have there at Everton,” Richarlison said. “The fans like me a lot. And where there are these talks about changing clubs, I feel like I don't have anything to say.

“But I made myself clear to the Board. I have talked with [Frank] Lampard as well. He knows what I want."

“So, no matter what happens, it won't disturb me at the national team. It won't be a problem at the World Cup. I am totally focused on football so, no matter where I am I will be playing football with joy.”

When a reporter remarked that it seems as though he wants to stay at Goodison Park, Richarlison smiled and said:

“We will see. Let's wait this month. I am focused here on the national team and let's wait this month and for the talks with my representative and Everton's board to see what they will decide.

Then 10 days after saying this, his agent is negotiating terms with the first club to come along – Spurs?? Maybe so. Just seems odd given his statement of a few days ago.

As to his being world class. He's been a first-team regular in a tough league for 5 years. If he was world class, we'd know by now.

He's a relentless worker, given us 53 goals at a 1-in-3 rate. I rate him at the "Gareth Barry" level. A first-rate pro you definitely want in your first 11. Which is where I still hope we find him come August.

Mike Gaynes
94 Posted 12/06/2022 at 01:15:07
Sam #83,

That would be a hell of a gamble at £20 million. Sinisterra's pace and dribbling make him a blast to watch, but he's the size and build of a 15-year-old and completely unproven at any level above the Eredivisie. Colombia were shut out seven games in a row in World Cup qualifying but still never gave Sinisterra a sniff until they were already eliminated.

I'm not saying you're wrong about the kid, but I will say that the idea he can "replace" Richarlison is wildly optimistic at this point.

Laurie Hartley
95 Posted 11/06/2022 at 02:04:54
We have a history of selling our best players to our Premier League rivals and adding insult to injury by buying players from said rivals that are no longer part of their plans.

This is not good business and does my head in. Richarlison is one of my all-time favourite players and I will be gutted to see him go. However, if he wants a move, fair enough with me because, instead of talking about it publicly or downing tools, he has played his heart out for us whilst being kicked black and blue.

What I will find very difficult to accept is if we sell him to a Premier League rival – and especially if we take one of their “no longer required” players as part of the deal.

Tom Bowers
96 Posted 12/06/2022 at 02:20:13
If he wants to go, then let him go at the right price so that we can get an adequate replacement.

He can score but is not, in my opinion, as good as he should be in the Premier League and Spurs will probably pay him more than Everton can.

I would look at Werner at Chelsea if he comes available or Firmino at Liverpool who may be hard-pressed for a place at Anfield now.

Failing these two established players, there is an abundance of young strikers ready to step up to a team like Everton if our scouting staff are doing their stuff – or maybe we have someone already here ready to step up next season?

Alex Carew
97 Posted 12/06/2022 at 05:39:47
I’d expect more for someone who is now a first eleven player of the Brazil national team but I think the game may have changed and prices may be lower than previous seasons.
Sam Hoare
98 Posted 12/06/2022 at 07:14:19
Mike @93, it would be a gamble but I think he'd do well. He needs to add some muscle for sure but he's the same height as an Egyptian across the park who's done okay.

He's lit up the Eredivisie this season just gone but has also done pretty well in the Europa Conference League where he got 4 goals in 7 games.

Almost impossible for any player to ‘replace' Richarlison but I like Sinisterra because he works damn hard. It would be a lot to expect him to hit the ground running perhaps but super-fast wingers who can dribble well nearly always cause some trouble and I think he'd prove a hit.

He's got better stats than Antony (who I also like) who's been heavily linked with a £50M move to Man Utd.

Bryan Houghton
99 Posted 12/06/2022 at 07:57:28
Richarlison loves football. He sulks like a teenager if he doesn't play. So which one of Kane, Son or Richarlison is gonna be sat on the bench, come match day?

Nah. Unless one of those two are leaving… (And if so, why isn't everyone talking about it?) I don't see it happening. Why would he go there?

Unless there is some sort of nuts player merry-go-round about to kick off, he might leave, but not for Spurs.

Michael Burke
100 Posted 12/06/2022 at 08:14:06
In a World Cup year, would he even want to go to Spurs to sit on the bench behind, Kane, Son and Perisic?
Mike Gwyer
101 Posted 12/06/2022 at 08:50:14
I can't see how Richarlison going to Spurs for just £51M is good business. It's fricking shocking.

You can be sure that clubs will come in for Calvert-Lewin with a much lower price than what they were originally going to offer. Why do Everton complete player transfers like Dumb and Dumber? We seem to always buy high and without doubt sell cheaply or in some cases we just fucking give them away.

Selling Richarlison at that price will be extremely bad business for this club, it will affect all future summer transfers as Everton will be seen as the charity shop of the Premier League.

Rob Halligan
102 Posted 12/06/2022 at 09:24:31
Can I just remind everyone that this is in fact, just a rumour, started by some Brazilian journalist via some Twitter account. Many of the daily rags have now picked up on the rumour, simply by saying “According to Sources” etc, which means they have no concrete evidence themselves.

Even our local paper, the Red Echo, understands that there isn't currently any movement in terms of a deal for Richarlison, but Tottenham's director of football Fabio Paratici likes him. I know there is the old saying “There's no smoke without fire”, but I really do think this is a no-goer. Didn't Richarlison himself say recently that there's only three clubs he would join, Chelsea, PSG or Real Madrid?

One thing I do know is that Richarlison has recently put his house up for sale in Crosby, and has already vacated the property and moved to a new house in Formby. Of course, it could be that the house in Crosby was only rented and the owners want to sell and his tenancy agreement was up, but maybe, just maybe he is thinking of staying?

However… should this all be true and he does move to Spurs, I would be asking for Lucas Moura as part of the deal. Only seems to get a bit part at Spurs, and I'm sure he would like regular football. We could do a lot worse than Moura should any part-exchange be involved in the deal.

Robert Tressell
103 Posted 12/06/2022 at 09:28:01
Unfortunately, the market sets the price, not us.

And a big part of this is that the market knows we need to sell because of the problematic financial position.

I'd be disappointed if he left for less than £65M but it's certainly possible.

Brian Harrison
104 Posted 12/06/2022 at 09:49:16
Quite ironic that we are now back in the same position we were in before Moshiri took over. A club who had to sell its best players to survive and, because of the failure of the owner to control spending, we are back in that same situation.

This is so Everton – we as fans craved that we could get a rich owner like Sir John Moores to take us back to the promised land. When Moshiri became the major shareholder, we were all delighted, we could now compete for better players and, more importantly, didn't have to sell our better players.

Then things got even better when Moshiri's boss Alisher Usmanov threw in the odd £30M for the training ground and another £30M to be front of the queue for the naming rights of the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

But, within 6 years, it's all come crashing down around our ears Usmanov has been sanctioned, and because of FFP we might have to sell our best players to avoid further action. Yes, we are getting a new ground but, as yet, Moshiri isn't saying where the funding for it is coming from. Just a promise that he will secure the building of the new stadium… but not saying how it's to be financed.

Iakovos Iasonidis
105 Posted 12/06/2022 at 10:38:35
Richarlison is the only player Everton can't afford to lose, he has quality, heart and the right age. If the price mentioned is correct, it is a total disgrace.

If he is to leave, I hope other clubs enter the battle for his signature and increase his price nearer to £70M which I believe is the minimum we should sell him for.

Oliver Molloy
106 Posted 12/06/2022 at 10:40:37
I agree with Brian.

Beggars can't be choosers and that's the situation with Everton due to gross mismanagement these last 5 years. Moshiri and Kenwright are guilty for the mess we are in.

We have a player who totally gets the club, is loved by the fans – even with all his antics. The guy probably doesn't want to leave, it seems he genuinely has a love for the club and fans but has been given no choice – he is 25 and he knows and we know Everton cannot offer his dream.

Richalison wants to win stuff and compete at the highest level, he has always said Champions League football is what he wants – we are light years away!

I will be amazed if he ends up at Spurs. If Ancelotti really rates him, they will come in for him and I would love to see him in a Real Madrid shirt.

But, as Rob Halligan says, there could be a twist in all this yet. Because we are struggling financially, any interested club will try and take advantage.

It really is sickening that we might have to sell for the price we bought him for near enough, guess who's to blame for that?

Seamus Coleman recently told a person I know that Richarlison was going nowhere!

Justin Doone
107 Posted 12/06/2022 at 10:47:55
Knowing how Spurs operate, we shouldn't budge a penny from a £75M valuation.

Levy is uncompromising and I'm sure they wouldn't budge a penny for us. They got Alli off their wage bill. We have helped them enough.

Andy Meighan
108 Posted 12/06/2022 at 11:07:09
Pete @87. You're right Spurs are a better side than us. But as a club they're not much bigger.

In my opinion Richarlison would be a mug to go there. The difference between them and us is they've got a ruthless fuck of a chairman, and er we've got Kenwright.

Oh, and by the way, Spurs have got to qualify for the Champions League group stage – let's see how that goes.

Garry Martin
109 Posted 12/06/2022 at 11:08:06
This is purely paper talk; also, probably just unofficial talk between his agent and Spurs.

The price, hopefully, will be determined by Everton and not Spurs.

Terry Downes
110 Posted 12/06/2022 at 11:16:09
Fucking disgrace… £51M, my arse. First priority signing for Everton should be a horrible bastard similar to Levy to negotiate transfers! Knowing this lot, we'll sell the lot for fuck-all.

Richarlison ain't desperate to leave and would surely understand us holding out for as much as possible, not sell to the first offer?

Time for some hard bargaining. If it's going to be £51M, then there has to be a player involved as well.

Justin Doone
111 Posted 12/06/2022 at 11:16:18
I think some goodwill from having let Richarlison go to the Olympics (unless a Real Madrid or Barca come in for him), I don't think he's going to go on strike or upset the club.

Financially we are not in a great position to buy, but I don't think we need to sell just to meet financial regs. There's no fire sale needed but, should a good offer come in, it means we can reinvest.

Everton need the best for Everton, we need to redirect the charity work.

Derek Thomas
112 Posted 12/06/2022 at 11:23:29
Let him have a word with Pienaar.
John Pickles
113 Posted 12/06/2022 at 11:47:17
£51M? That's less than 2 Tosuns.
Paul Jones
114 Posted 12/06/2022 at 12:30:53
Terry @110.

My first thought when he was linked with Spurs was any fee would offset the Dele Alli mess we signed up for.

So it would represent a player plus cash deal with us no longer having to fork out £10M or whatever it was for a player of questionable relevance to us.

Tommy Carter
115 Posted 12/06/2022 at 12:35:52
£51M or lose him on a free in 2 years time?

I'd rather lose him on a free all day long. Absolutely no way will we replace a player of his quality with £51M.

So we might as well keep the one we've got for another 2 seasons. He won't like it, but it's tough. I think he's got enough about him to take it on the chin.

If he wants to play for Brazil in the World Cup, then I'm afraid he'll have to pull on the Everton jersey and give his best in the meantime.

He can join a Champions League club at the age of 27 if this is the case. On a free and therefore on an even more extraordinary wage than he'll be able to command now.

No-brainier for me. Unless a bid of £75M+ comes in.

Tom Bowers
116 Posted 12/06/2022 at 12:36:31
Let's face it, guys, this is just big business. Money talks and those who have the most will get the most. Look at Man City, Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea and Real Madrid.

Lesser financially sound clubs have to sell to exist. Southampton are the biggest example. They have had to sell most of their quality talent over the years and are still a small club.

No matter what Richarlison thinks of Merseyside and Everton, he – like all of us – will have his eyes lit up when the big money is offered.

Frank Crewe
117 Posted 12/06/2022 at 13:06:57
It both proves and disproves the sell-on theory.

We bought him young enough to get a resale value. Yet the vast majority of fans would rather he stayed at the club and resent selling him to a competitor club, regardless of the fee involved.

I doubt we will let him go for anything under £60M, and that's before add-ons.

Pete Clarke
118 Posted 12/06/2022 at 13:12:43
Richarlison would stay at Everton unless it's Real Madrid, PSG or the likes coming in for him but we hold the cards anyway because he's got 2 years left on his current deal. Both he and his agent need reminding of this.

Frank Lampard will also know more than anyone that he only leaves if we get a proven goalscorer in first because, without his goals, we'll go down next season. Calvert-Lewin would also be worse off without his supply, so there's one more reason this does not make sense.

What Richarlison really needs is better players around him who will give him the feeling that we are actually going upwards and not downwards.

I would really piss Levy off by refusing any offers for Richarlison and actually try for a loan of Lucas Moura for next season.

Len Hawkins
119 Posted 12/06/2022 at 13:22:32
John Pickles,

£51million is 4 Niasses and roll of bin bags.

Raymond Fox
120 Posted 12/06/2022 at 13:55:41
He'll leave to somewhere, you can't really blame him, can you!

In today's market, I would have expected £60M+. Trevor Francis was the first £1M footballer in this country, I remember everyone thought that was barmy.

I don't know about you but I doubt we will have a stronger or better squad than last season, I can't see us having many stars. It's going to be another backs-to-the-wall job, I think.

The scouts or whoever need to find us some bargains for a change.

Rob Halligan
121 Posted 12/06/2022 at 14:20:58
Andy #108.

I'm often reminded by someone who sometimes contributes to TW, that big clubs win things.

Now I know it's been a few years since we actually won anything, but let's all remember that Spurs are not exactly at the front of the queue when it comes to dishing trophies out. As far as I know, the last trophy they won was the League Cup in 2008.

I remember them winning a couple of FA Cups in the '80s, and I think the Uefa Cup in the '70s, but you have to go back a whopping 61 years since their last league triumph.

Now I know the last time we won the league was 35 years ago, but we are still the fourth most successful team in terms of league titles held. I reckon Spurs must be pretty near the bottom of this list with their massive two league titles.

Some might be thinking, "What's all this got to do with Richarlison going to Spurs?" Probably not a lot but, if Richarlison wants to win something, then Spurs are not the team to join as, like us, they are not going to be at the head of the queue come the end of next season when trophies are dished out.

Okay, he will get a season of Champions League football, or until at least the end of the group stages. If his main concern is playing for Brazil at the World Cup, then he should stay with us, see how the World Cup goes, then assess the situation come the January transfer window.

If it's trophies he's after, then by all means, Chelsea, PSG or Real Madrid will be his next destination, but certainly not Spurs.

Spurs a big club… Don't Make Me Laugh!!

Will Mabon
122 Posted 12/06/2022 at 14:34:36
Man City have apparently threatened a price of £80 million for Silva, should Barcelona pursue him.

Not sure exactly how that reflects upon Richy's potential value, but perhaps prices will generally be a little lower now.

Fran Mitchell
123 Posted 12/06/2022 at 14:46:17
I like Richarlison, but there are numerous players who can play in his position. He is not irreplaceable.

If we sold Richarlison for say £60M, we could possibly sign Brennan Johnson for £30M and have £30M for a central midfielder or two.

Or we could invest maybe in a player like Hudson-Odoi, who surely should start getting games, week-in & week-out, or go for someone from abroad of a similar profile.

No player is irreplaceable, but especial wide-forwards, they are innumerous.

So long as it is invested wisely, no sale should cause problems. In fact, this very model should be seen as our way forward.

Soren Moyer
124 Posted 12/06/2022 at 15:21:16
Len, £51M is one and a half Iwobies too, believe it or not!
Ed Prytherch
125 Posted 12/06/2022 at 16:13:52
The next couple of years are about avoiding relegation scraps and getting our finances in order so that we are no longer in the FFP choke hold. Then we can think about challenging for a place in the Top 6.

Richarlison will be at another club by then and, the longer we keep him, the less we will get for him when he leaves. So I think that he will leave in this window but we can still afford to be patient. We don't have to take a low-ball offer from Levy.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
126 Posted 12/06/2022 at 16:20:46
1. Why is Levy not having to deal with Moshiri? I think our owner may have more money than Levy and he didn't get that by being a soft touch. It is his money that is being wasted so perhaps he will want to be more aware of where his money is being wasted.

2. If he does go - just remember, by the time he plays his first game in the Premier League for them, Spurs' last top division title win is nearer the 19th Century than it is to today.

Craig James
127 Posted 12/06/2022 at 16:39:55
I think this is just lazy journo rumours or Richarlison's agents after a new contract for him.

Barring a bid from PSG, Real Madrid etc before this season starts, I believe he signs a new contract with us so that his position in the Brazil World Cup squad is not threatened..

And on the understanding that, should a bid come in from one of these clubs in January or next summer that trigger an agreed amount, the club will allow him to leave.

Just my opinion and, if I were to have a bet, I believe Calvert-Lewin will be the one who is sold... if we do sell anyone.

Anthony Jones
128 Posted 12/06/2022 at 16:47:25
We need to rebuild this squad. They will have to sell the most valuable players to do it given the restrictions around consecutive losses.

Let him, Calvert-Lewin, Pickford go if the prices are right.

Danny O’Neill
129 Posted 12/06/2022 at 17:07:56
Rob, remember how it seemed the national press so wanted Tottenham to win the league in 1985 but we spoiled the party?

I've always seen Tottenham as a cup team.

They're more of a Newcastle who are self-proclaimed as being as big as Manchester United because they done their ground up, get big crowds and Sky love them.

It's probably a discussion in it's own right, but success doesn't necessarily equal Big Club and neither does lack of. Are Tottenham a bigger club than, say, Leeds in terms of fan base and stature? Everton are bigger than Tottenham. So are Aston Villa for that matter.

Look at Manchester United. Hadn't won the title for 25 years until their first one under Ferguson and they were relegated during that period. But still by far the biggest club in the country regardless.

Manchester City is a converse example. City can't fill the Etihad and the brand doesn't seem to have caught on to match their success.

I can use London as a temperature gauge in terms of football tops on my west London high street. United tops have been a constant. Liverpool ones took a dip in the late 2000s before making an inevitable and irritating comeback in recent years. But I haven't and don't see Man City tops. Their success hasn't made them a big club in that sense.

Have to admit, I get more than a 2nd look when I do wear something Everton. Curiosity or surprise, I don't know but it attracts attention and discussion. Everton are known and respected by other supporters, in my experience.

I suppose it's down to definition, but I don't go by Sky's or the media's.

Come on, Ed. Leicester were rooted to the bottom of the table for months before escaping relegation and went on to win the title the following season.

Okay, I'll meet you half-way. Next season, we finally win the League Cup and gain European qualification with a Top 7 finish.

We are the proverbial sleeping giant. When we wake up, then we'll see a big club, even if it annoys the media.

John Graham
130 Posted 12/06/2022 at 17:19:23
If he is to go hopefully we will get a good price for him.
He has always given 100 percent and has probably been instrumental in our survival.
Doesn't come across as a happy chappy, but has given everything for the club.
Good luck to him for the future, but for us it is time to rebuild from scratch and hopefully get in some young players who are uncut diamonds but looking to prove themselves in the Premier.
As long as we stay mid table or above next season but can get together a nice attacking young team I would be very happy.
COYB
Rob Halligan
131 Posted 12/06/2022 at 17:27:33
Danny, we annoyed the press in 1985, and we as sure as hell ruined their "Dream Final" in 1995 when we destroyed Spurs in the FA Cup semi-final.
Howard Sykes
132 Posted 12/06/2022 at 19:47:28
If Levy and Conte think they are going to get him cheap, on some kind of discount because we're boracic, they can think again.

His current deal has 2 years to run so the £51M they want to pay will only get them for one and a half legs. Not a penny less than £70M if they want the whole player.

If they want a deal with Winks coming our way (since Frank seems keen on him), then they can have him for £51M and Winks for free.

Levy's a snake.

Eddie Dunn
133 Posted 12/06/2022 at 20:58:39
He has scored a few scruffy miskicks which helped to save us but he was forced to play centrally for much of the time. We all know his best position is wide left but the reason that we can't expect more than £50million is that he simply doesn't get enough assists or score regularly enough.

I think one of him, Pickford, or Calvert-Lewin will leave. If it is Spurs, then we won't get top-dollar.

Ian Riley
134 Posted 12/06/2022 at 23:00:43
Richy lad – not Tottenham! Won't win much there!

Sign a new deal here! Either that or go to Real Madrid or PSG! Leave for a club that will win something!!

Oh yes, £51 million, typo error that, should read £81 million!!

Unless £80 million valuation met, no sale!! Other players go first!!

Paul Jones
135 Posted 12/06/2022 at 23:40:59
Winks is no better than Tom Davies; he would be a terrible waste of money. Also, I don't like players that have strange names.
Kieran Kinsella
136 Posted 13/06/2022 at 00:32:12
Winks is like Stephen Hughes or Tom Cleverley. Made to look good around great players but nothing more than an athletic guy.
Graeme Beresford
137 Posted 13/06/2022 at 00:52:03
Daniel Levy style, we need to say to Spurs, “It's £75M or forget it.”

We haven't had many dealings with Spurs over the years, last transfer I remember was Pienaar, who they benched, then he came back to us with his tail between his legs. Sometimes the grass isn't greener.

For this reason, we need a first refusal clause if he goes. Let's have it right – a team which is currently Son, Kane and Kulisevski and now Peresic, Richarlison may not walk into that team, and we all know, once he's benched, he will start to worry about his World Cup place and not playing regular football.

I will be gutted to lose him, he’s been my favourite player for years now. It's just a shame, much like ourselves, we was all promised a brighter horizon, as I'm sure he was, just hasn't worked out.

I would love to see us go out and buy Joao Pedro from Watford. To me, he's an exact replacement for Richarlison. He's strong, athletic and has now had a few seasons to bed in. I think he's going to be fantastic.

Cornet will be a good replacement as well; however, I just think Pedro pips it for me. I'm very surprised nobody is really linked with him. Surly with Watford going down he's there for the taking?

I will miss Richy, more of a homer player. I'm just not sure Spurs will like him. If anyone I thought he would be more suited to Arsenal. But what do I know.

Paul Birmingham
138 Posted 13/06/2022 at 00:54:58
For fuck’s sakes, let's get this in context.

Initial fee, add-on aspect, then Winks, and past mugging by Spurs in transfer deals direct and in direct.

Let's see the business steel of the Everton board in this saga.

Sam Bowen
139 Posted 13/06/2022 at 08:12:35
My hope is that Chelsea enter the conversation and go all out for him. I see him being a much better fit for them in Tuchel's style and I think he's got a better chance of starting for them than being a regular for Spurs….as mad as that sounds.

We can then use the deal as a sweetener for at least a couple of their players, one permanent and a couple of loans perhaps. I'd absolutely love Gallagher permanently and Pullisic as a really ambitious loan. He'll want to play leading up to the World Cup and am I correct in thinking that Lampard brought him to Chelsea? Wishful thinking, I know but you don't ask, you don't get.

I also think it's pretty nailed on that Billy Gilmour will come in either on loan or permanently.

My dream list for incomings this year is Gallagher, Zinchenko, Pullisic, Brennan Johnson along with Tarkowski and another centre-back on loan. They would totally transform our side.

Michael Lynch
140 Posted 13/06/2022 at 09:21:59
Are we still being linked to Lingard? Supposedly he wants silly money because he's on a free but I guess if he earns an extra £100k a week over what he's worth it still only adds up to the equivalent of a £15M transfer fee over 3 years.

Not exactly a Richarlison replacement but he was fantastic at West Ham.

Sam Hoare
141 Posted 13/06/2022 at 09:26:06
I fear some people on here are kidding themselves about his valuation.

Fabrizio Romano (usually a fairly reliable source) says we are looking for £60-65M. I think that's probably right for a winger who works very hard but scores less than 1 in 3 and gets few assists.

The longer we keep him probably the less he'll be worth as he hasn't especially progressed over last couple of years. At 25 he's not trading on potential quite so much and at the moment we can't afford to miss out on a big transfer recoupment that helps our FFP as we have sold so few players for any money.

If we manage to get £70M for him we will have done very well. £60-65M is about par I'd say.

No Winks please. As Kieran says, he's another Tom Cleverley and certainly not worth the £20M Spurs value him at.

Brian Harrison
142 Posted 13/06/2022 at 09:35:50
Quite simply, Everton say that Richarlison has 2 years left on his contract and he is not for sale.

I don't think Richarlison would put in a transfer request and, if he did, start the bidding in excess of £80 million. Let's not forget he is always picked for his country and he is 25 years old.

As for Levy and Spurs, this is a man who told Kane he could go if someone offered £100 million, which Man City did, but he reneged on the deal and Kane stayed.

Also he stitched us up over Alli on a pay-for-play deal and also off-loaded £100k a week off the wage bill. Also talk of Winks and Moura in the deal... really? Two men who can't get in the Spurs team.

I think if Lampard sanctions this deal, then he isn't the man to take this club forward.

Joe McMahon
143 Posted 13/06/2022 at 09:38:17
Sam, to be fair to Richarlison, he plays in a team with a very slow midfield, and over several seasons the midfield has nightmares about passing a ball forwards. Pass and move isn't in their locker.

He is a regular for Brazil and runs his socks off. He is worth money.

Dan Kemp
144 Posted 13/06/2022 at 09:41:47
I wonder how much it would be if any other team was selling a 25-year-old Brazilian first-team striker?
Sam Hoare
145 Posted 13/06/2022 at 09:53:19
Joe @ 143, no doubt he works hard, but the quality can be inconsistent at times. If we were buying another hardworking player with some similar figures last season and the same age, like Raphinha, would you be expecting to pay more than £60M?

Dan @144, funny you should say that but it looks like Gabriel Jesus is on the move. He is the same age as Richarlison and has 20 more caps for Brazil. Most sources say his transfer fee will be around £45M.

Michael Lynch
146 Posted 13/06/2022 at 09:57:16
Sam, doesn't Jesus only have 1 year left on his contract, as against Richarlison's 2 years?
Stephen Vincent
147 Posted 13/06/2022 at 10:08:58
Surely with our not having to sell Richarlison for contractual reasons, his price is what he is worth to us.

What will it cost us to replace him? Well since we are unlikely to persuade a player of his qualities or better to join us, we need adequate compensation for losing him.

A deal is an agreement between a willing seller and willing buyer and we should not be a willing seller at €60M.

Sam Hoare
148 Posted 13/06/2022 at 10:41:18
Michael @146, yes. That's why he'll probably be £15-20M cheaper.

Many on here will disagree I'm sure but they are a similar calibre of player. Both work very hard, Richarlison is a better goal scorer and Jesus is better at linking play.

Richarlison would work better for a counter-attacking team (like Spurs) and Jesus would be better for a team that wants possession (like Arsenal?).

Marc Hints
149 Posted 13/06/2022 at 10:51:56
It would actually be nice if the club would say what the transfer strategy is, are we really that skint/FFP hitting us?

What is the actual plan, are we just looking at mostly free transfers?

Are we looking at the youngsters for this season?

Graeme Beresford
150 Posted 13/06/2022 at 11:34:23
Sam @ 141

I don't understand some Everton fans undervaluing him. We paid £35M for this fella, he is a Brazilian International who has proven his worth in the best league in the world.

He works his socks off, scores goals, can play up front or on the wing, he is quick, aggressive, can head the ball, is fit, very rarely injured, is technical – to me, he is a fantastic player.

I think some people forget Swansea held us up for £50M for Sigurdsson, DJ Spence is reportedly about to move to Spurs for £20M! ... £20M!!!!! For a player that hasn't played in the Premier League and who is a right-back!!

It's loco money but money which Everton need to realise, this asset is worth £70-80M; if nobody pays it, then he stays. If we let him go for say £50M or £60M, then our boardroom need to be hung out to dry.

I would love another season with Richarlison, I honestly think with some decent signings and a bit of luck, we can kick on a bit next season.

However, look at Mane and Salah across the park, even the very best players, playing at the highest level, winning trophies, end up leaving.

So if Richarlison goe, he goes but we can't let him got for say £50/60M, it's just awful business if we do.

Tom Bowers
151 Posted 13/06/2022 at 11:38:49
Many sleazebag agents are posturing right now and creating all the media rumors in order to make money.

Whatever happens, happens and much of what we read won't happen.

Richarlison would probably score more goals with better support than he gets at Everton and, if Spurs are interested, I wouldn't blame him for moving. Everton just need to play hardball with the fee involved.

Joe McMahon
152 Posted 13/06/2022 at 11:41:05
Greame @150 nail on head. Any other club selling him it would be nearer £100 million. As you say, look what Everton paid for Sigurdsson. Man City paid £100 million for Grealish.

I'm sick to death of Little corner shop (we still talk about Alan Ball and the 80s) attitude. We cannot be shafted by transfer fees again.

Graeme Beresford
153 Posted 13/06/2022 at 11:54:15
Joe @ 152

I honestly don't get it. We seem to be stung by clubs all the time yet Liverpool can sell unproven youngsters for like £20/25M a pop, these include;

Brewster
Shey Ojo
Solanke
Ibe

I think they got £20M each for all of these players. Yet little old Everton get taken to the cleaners with one of the best players in the Premier League. Honestly, Everton need to release a statement saying "We will accept Richarlison bids for over £75M; if you don't want to pay it, don't bid." Levy did it with Kane last year and now Kane has come out and said he's happy and it wouldn't surprise me if he signed a new contract. Everton need to play hardball.

We also have to remember that last season, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin, Gordon and Gray hardly played together. If we can just keep everyone, then we potentially have a good team on paper:

Pickford
Patterson Mina Tarkowski Mykolenko
Iwobi Allan Doucoure
Gordon Calvert-Lewin Richarlison

To me we need to go out and find funds for Cornet from Burnley and pull out all the stops for Eriksen. However, losing your best players at the moment for a poor return is not going to help us.

Marc Hints
154 Posted 13/06/2022 at 11:58:54
The only reason I can see from reports of a lower fee is that we are actually desperate to sell him for much-needed funds for Frank. It cannot drag on and I really can't see anyone spending £70M or £80M upwards on him.
Sam Hoare
155 Posted 13/06/2022 at 12:03:22
Graeme (and Joe), what is more likely, that some Everton fans are undervaluing him or that some are over-valuing him?

We love him at Everton and he saved us this season. But that does not make him as good as Erling Haaland or the like.

I agree £50M would be bad business but I think £60-65M is probably where it will be. Anything over £70M and we've done well.

Ask neutrals who have seen him play a fair bit what he's worth?

We could play hardball and keep him but he reportedly is keen for a change and we need the money if we are to rebuild the squad. Next Summer he would probably be worth nearer £40M, or less if he sulks next season. It seems the right time to sell, I'd say.

Ultimately his value will be decided by what people are willing to pay for him. If he really is as good as you suspect, then there will be multiple parties bidding for him (like with Darwin Nunez) and the price will rise above £80M.

I very much hope this turns out to be the case but I suspect some on here may be due a reality check. Quite a lot of the Spurs fans I know were saying they hope they don't spend more than £50M on him as there are better options out there for that amount. I think there may (understandably) be some blue tinted glasses at play here and obviously we have had a paucity of good players this season.

Marc Hints
156 Posted 13/06/2022 at 12:10:01
Sam #155,

Who will be the multiple parties that bid for him?

I just can't see it, The only clubs in England likely to do that are:

Manchester City - they are not interested
Liverpool - well, he won't go there
Manchester United - they don't seem interested
Chelsea - Don't seem interested

Richarlison is good but I don't think he is up there with Haaland or even Nunez and worth a bidding war for clubs up to £80 million.

There has not even been a starting bid for him yet at £50 million.

Steve Brown
157 Posted 13/06/2022 at 12:16:52
Richarlison has played 36 times for Brazil and scored 14 goals. Nunes has played 11 times for Uruguay and scored 2 goals.

Yet Nunes is worth twice the transfer fee of Richarlison?!

Danny O’Neill
158 Posted 13/06/2022 at 12:21:31
Graeme @150 and 153,

I think your £70 - £80M valuation is about right.

But as I said earlier on this very thread, and without knowing what has been discussed (if at all), if you consider the £20M for Alli potentially gets written off and we get £50M as a starting point for Richarlison, it's at least a £70M deal.

On the sale of youth players, yes they have done very well to command inflated prices whereas we practically give them away for much lesser prices.

I can't help think that, in addition to business sense (or lack of in our case), there is a brand aspect to it.

Just like match officials are star struck, maybe clubs are because it's Liverpool or Manchester United? They command more because of the name.

Marc Hints
159 Posted 13/06/2022 at 12:23:02
But you fail to mention Steve Nunez 32 goals in 57 games for Benfica?

Richarlison only scored 10 last season

Yet no one as yet is interested in Richarlison?

Sam Hoare
160 Posted 13/06/2022 at 12:34:32
Marc@156, have you read my posts? That's my point!

I don't think there is likely to be a bidding war for Richarlison. I don't even think he would be first choice at Spurs necessarily.

I expect him to go for around the £60-65M mark.

Graeme Beresford
161 Posted 13/06/2022 at 12:36:26
I don't get people comparing Haaland, Haaland had a release clause. If he didn't, Haaland would be worth £150M. His agent was smart knowing there will be bigger clubs out there for him. He probably has a £150M release clause at City with the idea that one day he will join Real Madrid.

Nunez looks good, but again unproven. If Nunez is worth £80M then Richarlison is worth £90M.

Marc Hints
162 Posted 13/06/2022 at 12:36:42
Apologies Sam - I didn't read all the posts before hand, came in this forum a bit late.
Michael Lynch
163 Posted 13/06/2022 at 12:47:30
The thing with Richarlison is that, outside Everton, a lot of fans just see him as someone who dives, moans and occasionally throws a "flare" into the crowd.

I had a chat with a Spurs friend of mine and he admitted he didn't really know much about Richarlison. That's why they don't want their club spending £50M on him - it's not that we're seeing him through blue tinted spectacles, it's that they're not seeing him at all.

The truth may be that he's not as good as we think, but he's definitely a lot better than the rest of the Premier League fans think. I'd say £60M minimum, but whether any club will actually stump up is another thing. And, assuming he does go to Spurs, it will take a while for their fans to learn to love him.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he was back at Goodison in 18 months.

Sam Hoare
164 Posted 13/06/2022 at 13:05:59
Michael, I think that's right. He's not as good as we think he's is. He's better than many other fans think he is.

Most players who fetch really big money have qualities that everyone sees and admires. Some of Richarlison's best facets are not immediately visible to the eye or in the statistics. Which is why I doubt his fee will be over £70M.

Danny O’Neill
165 Posted 13/06/2022 at 13:09:06
That depends Michael.

Put a good player in a better team surrounded by better players and then can look better themselves.

I think he is very good and, at 25, has the potential to get even better in the right team surrounded by the right players.

Finn Taylor
166 Posted 13/06/2022 at 13:10:12
Richarlison should be sold for £75 mill with add-ons. Take it or leave it... but knowing the Everton transfer pussy's he will go for £50 mil and we will be made to feel grateful for that.
Joe McMahon
167 Posted 13/06/2022 at 13:11:12
Guys, I'm being a bit bit pickey, but remember the league in Portugal is a lot easier than rhe PL.

Also Richie scored more than 10. 2 were awarded to DCL and Gordon, and at least 2 goals were taken off by VAR. The Arsenal one was ridiculous. No I'm not Richarlasons Father its just he does a lot for the team.

Andrew Ellams
168 Posted 13/06/2022 at 13:43:08
Graeme @ 161, yes Haaland had a release clause but it's out there now and there's no way anybody is going to pay above that for Richarlison.

Steve Brown
169 Posted 13/06/2022 at 14:01:17
Marc @ 159, Nunes is a centre-forward who got 14 goals the season before. So it is relative. Richarlison plays in a different position as a left forward in a tougher league.

I think he is a massive punt for Liverpool based on one season's goals and the fee being quoted is excessive. Calvert-Lewin's scoring form in 20-21 was dismissed by many when he struggled this season.

Richarlison is an established international who has played 5 seasons in one of the top leagues in the world – therefore I genuinely think Everton will be looking for £75 million plus.

John McFarlane Snr
170 Posted 13/06/2022 at 14:03:27
Hi all, in an age of clubs spending millions of pounds in their search of success, some fans may be aware of Bolton Wanderers winning the FA Cup in 1958, a 2-0 victory over Manchester United. But what may come as a surprise to many, is the fact that not one penny of their outlay was in transfer fees.

Eight players began their league careers with Bolton, Tommy Banks, John Higgins, Bryan Edwards, Brian Birch, Dennis Stevens, Nat Lofthouse, Ray Parry, and Doug Holden. Of the remaining three, Eddie Hopkinson was a free transfer from Oldham Athletic where he had made three appearances, Ray Hartle was signed from Bromsgrove Rovers, and Derek Henning signed from Prescott Cables. The combined cost was £110 (eleven signing-on fees of £10).

Approaching my 20th birthday, I was serving in Cyprus with the army, so I hope that I can be forgiven for describing it as a recent occurrence, my 'recent' is not quite the same as that of some others.

Marc Hints
171 Posted 13/06/2022 at 14:07:38
Steve #171

Yes, I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately, I don't think we will, not many clubs will pay out that sort of money now unless you're Man City, Chelsea, Real Madrid or Barcelona... or maybe PSG.

I am not sure any of those clubs think he is worth that, he is a good player but not a world beater in my eyes but, in a better team, maybe I am wrong and he will be.

There are just as good players out there that will be cheaper than £70 million

I think he will go for around £50 million with maybe add-ons.

It all depends on our what Frank has been told, if he needs to sell to buy any players, then I think we will accept a lesser fee as time will go and Frank won't be able to bid for his own players.

This does seem the case as we are not bidding for anyone at the moment.

Tony Everan
172 Posted 13/06/2022 at 14:22:12
The problem with selling to Spurs and Levy is it will be £5M cash now, + Winks, + Bergwjn, + any Alli fee wiped, + plus any other squad player they are looking to move on. Then another £15M paid over 5 years.

Levy will probably make money on it in wages saved before any sell-on fee! I am sincerely hoping that another club comes in so we don't deal with Spurs.

Sam Hoare
173 Posted 13/06/2022 at 14:42:38
I'm not sure 'take it or leave it' is that viable. We are up against it in FFP and we have a fair few players leaving with big holes to fill.

We need to bring some cash in. Plus from what i've heard Richie (though he loves the club) has asked that he be allowed to leave if any CL club comes in for him.

If wait a year we likely lose £25-30m in transfer fees for him. That would be the sort of bad business that got us into our current plight.

We kind of need to sell. And as such it becomes more about what he's worth to other clubs than what he's worth to us.

I hope other clubs are interested because as Tony says Levy is tricky to deal with. But if they are not then that is an indication that maybe we rate him much higher than the rest of the football world does.

Mike Gaynes
174 Posted 13/06/2022 at 15:36:35
Steve #171, a player is worth what somebody will pay for him.

I am absolutely certain nobody will pay anything close to £75 million for Richarlison. He simply isn't that talented or productive.

He's a 25-year-old forward who scored eight goals from open play this past season -- none of them really brilliant or spectacular -- and there's no market in which he's considered worth that kind of money.

I agree with you on Nunez. Having seen him for Uruguay, he's a huge gamble for the RS at that price (if it happens). They're buying him based on 22-year-old talent and potential.

Andrew Keatley
175 Posted 13/06/2022 at 15:37:20
Cannot agree more with Sam in post 175 - "I'm not sure 'take it or leave it' is that viable."

It's all well and good for fans to posture and suggest hard-ball on transfer fees and add-ons, but we are not in a strong negotiating position. That we are in the position we are in is tough to swallow, but we need to trade, and we need to be realistic about that need.

It might make individual fans feel like they are in control by drawing hypothetical lines in the sand, but we do not have the full picture to know where the lines in the sand truly are for the club in terms of ridding the club from the spectre of FFP and Profit and Sustainability rules.

If there was a world in which selling Richarlison (or another player) for £50 million by the end of June in order to avoid the club being saddled with serious problems going forward, then surely most would sanction it. I'm not saying that is the situation, I'm just merely playing devil's advocate. We do not know the full picture.

As for my own personal conjecture, I'd say that €60 million is a fairly healthy place for any negotiations to begin.

Bill Gall
176 Posted 13/06/2022 at 15:45:59
I go with Micheal and Danny on putting him with better players will improve his game. A number of his goals came from his own efforts; if he had a better supply from the midfield, he may have scored more.

The midfield is basically the area where games are either won or lost and we lost games more on the defensive side of it than the attacking side.

The reason we have not had an attacking midfield player for a couple of seasons is, the players that were supposed to be the answer were either transferred, injured, or not the same after injuries, or in the case of someone who shall not be named, but suddenly can be named, was not available.

There are enough defensive players at the club but few that can open up a defensive team and be a consistent threat. If Richarlison is sold, I hope the fee given is used for a quality midfielder that will help to reach a better league placement during a rebuilding period.

As supporters have said, with the players Everton had, there should have been no way they should have been fighting relegation with nearly only one game to go,

It is difficult to point the finger at where the problem was and we all have our own opinions, on whether it was the board or individuals on the board, the owner or collectively with the board. We just have to hope that for once they have got it right and don't interfere with the new management team.

Michael Kenrick
177 Posted 13/06/2022 at 15:48:00
Lost in translation?

Seems Gretar Steinsson has now signed up with Spurs after leaving Everton in December.

Maybe they overheard the wrong -son?

Will Mabon
178 Posted 13/06/2022 at 17:50:48
I tell you who does rate Richarlison - just about every defender that comes up against him. How many get such close "Attention" in most every game they play? He obviously carries a threat that most defenders seem very keen to try to nullify.
Brian Murray
179 Posted 13/06/2022 at 18:28:47
Marc. Woohooo!!!

Bring it on, lads.

Michael Burke
180 Posted 13/06/2022 at 18:51:26
Just out of interest, how much would evertonians value Marcus Rashford? I've been thinking about similar players and he is the one who I see as most similar in many facets. Similar goal to game ratio (he has scored a fair few more than Richie). Nearly 50 caps and double figures for goals at international. Similar age.
Robert Williams
181 Posted 13/06/2022 at 18:56:08
The only case I can put to Richie going to Spurs is that Kane goes to Man Utd or Man City. Either way, they will have to pay £100M for him which makes ours worth £75M. Levey is not daft!
Terry Farrell
182 Posted 13/06/2022 at 18:57:02
So Spurs have just taken our performance director, want to take Richarlison for as cheap as possible, and give us 2 cast-offs who aren't good enough in Winks and Moura. Please God, No!!!
Robert Williams
183 Posted 13/06/2022 at 19:00:00
Rashford to Everton? Rashford to EitC more likely. I bet DBB will pull out all the stops to get him!
Trevor Peers
184 Posted 13/06/2022 at 19:19:32
Swap Winks for Tom Davies – at least Winks puts a shift in and passes the ball to his own players.

I'd like to see Conte's reaction to that one. The second word would be 'Off'!

Brian Murray
185 Posted 13/06/2022 at 19:24:28
We already have a midfield full of players like Gilmour and Winks. We need pace and power but you're right – it would be novel to have a midfield player who can do a forward pass to a blue shirt.
Dale Self
186 Posted 13/06/2022 at 19:24:57
And let me take another special TW moment to note that I agree with Will Mabon, that's right Will Mabon, that we should not be considering Harry Winks as anything more than a catchy gay porn star moniker. Take the money if you have to deal with Levy but make it all in money no accessories.
Dale Self
187 Posted 13/06/2022 at 19:25:55
Actually Will didn't characterize him that way, I'll take full criticism for that.
Steve Brown
188 Posted 13/06/2022 at 19:28:22
Mike @ 174, don’t agree entirely with your point.

The market dictates the price, based on comparable transfer fees for players with a similar profile. I rate Charley perhaps more than you do, but Everton need to start maximising the return on player assets that actually have value.

Of course, if no-one is willing to meet our price then he stays. He still has two years on his contract, so the pressure isn’t there.

Robert Tressell
189 Posted 13/06/2022 at 19:49:03
Steve @ 195, the pressure absolutely is there to sell Richarlison. We have a very serious financial position and possibly need to sell to avoid sanction. This is well known and doesn't work in our favour.

I'd like to think we'll get £65m for him but it could be less (or less but with add ons).

Oliver Molloy
190 Posted 13/06/2022 at 21:26:23
It seems that we must sell an asset.

If this is the case and it is between Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin, it would be the latter for me, don't know what his value would be though?

Andrew Bentley
191 Posted 14/06/2022 at 08:13:41
If we are selling Richarlison to Tottenham, then you can forget about big money as I'm sure there will be a discussion about the Dele Alli money that we have yet to pay them when he hits 20 appearances.
Gary Jones
192 Posted 14/06/2022 at 10:46:32
Bissouma to Spurs for £25M is an absolute steal…

Shame we spent up on Gomes, Gbamin et al! :(

Neil Thomas
193 Posted 14/06/2022 at 11:42:34
Just reading on Sky that Spurs have virtually got Bissouma for £25M.

Now if that was Everton, we would probably have started the bidding at £50M but Levvy just has that knack of getting brilliant bargains. If we were Spurs fans, then we would absolutely love having someone like that in charge of our transfers.

Michael Lynch
194 Posted 14/06/2022 at 11:43:23
Spurs looking to make some very interesting signings. Not just RIcharlison, but also Bissouma, maybe Eriksen, and the young lad Djed Spence who looks full of potential for the England U21s.

And the gap just grows bigger…

Robert Tressell
195 Posted 14/06/2022 at 12:41:08
Michael # 191. The reality is that we are not competing with Spurs for the Top 4 or Top 6. We are competing to finish in the Top 10 next season with the likes of Palace, Brighton, Wolves etc.

We have a recent history of 16th, 10th, 12th and 8th.

With 7 clubs now substantially wealthier than us, it will take extremely good management – over a period of seasons, on and off the pitch – to beat that 8th place of a few years ago.

Steve Brown
196 Posted 14/06/2022 at 13:18:53
Robert @ 188, debt only becomes an issue for a business when it’s lenders refuse to service it any longer. We have been lucky enough to write most of our debt off to the impact of Covid, without which we would definitely have faced penalties.

We should not sell Richarlison unless our valuation is met. When businesses begin to sell assets cheaply it is a downward spiral.

Tony Everan
197 Posted 14/06/2022 at 13:28:30
Getting unwanted squad players as add-ons as a part of any deal. Avoid like the plague.

I'm always concerned about the psychology involved in this type of deal. We are getting a player(s) partly because it is a convenience. It's lazy recruitment. How does the incoming player feel about being a makeweight pawn, did he really want the move anyway? Coupled with the baggage that his original club wanted him out as he wasn't good enough for their first team.

To me there are too many negatives before the player even starts here. How long before they become our unwanted squad players, on big wages, that we are trying to offload as makeweights?

I'd much rather get the Richarlison money, whatever the best figure is, then invest in young up-and-coming prospects for our midfield and attack using diligent, hard work scouting and recruitment.

Not someone jaded, on big money, who has already tried and failed that sees us as a step down.


Michael Kenrick
198 Posted 14/06/2022 at 13:38:52
Not someone jaded, on big money, who has already tried and failed that sees us as a step down.

A key element of our transfer strategy of the last 6 years, summed up in a nutshell, Tony. And still ongoing with Dele Alli, Andre Gomes, Allan, Iwobi, Rondon etc.

Sam Hoare
199 Posted 14/06/2022 at 14:02:36
Robert@194, yes this is true. People used to turn their nose up at 8th (remember Phil Walling anyone?) but these days that would mark a pretty good season.

Perhaps we should be pleased that our more imminent rival Brighton is being weakened?! Though they do such good business they have the likes of Caciedo, Moder and Mwepu to step in.

I wonder which CDM we have at the top of our list? Hasn’t been that many names linked strongly for what will be a crucial acquisition.

Stu Darlington
200 Posted 14/06/2022 at 14:12:48
Tony @196

Well said. Dead right!

Andrew Keatley
201 Posted 14/06/2022 at 14:51:55
The £30 million deal for Bissouma works out for the buying club, the selling club and the player. Bissouma is about to enter the last year of his contract and wants to move, Brighton sell now for a relatively healthy price rather than risk losing him for nothing next year,

Spurs acquire a player for slightly less than his current market value, and Bissouma gets to play for a Top 4 team who have Champions League football on offer and get a nice bump in wages too. That's the merry-go-round.

The problem for us is that we are not currently an attractive proposition for a player like Bissouma. Right now we can offer the bump in wages, but anyone choosing to sign for us right now is taking a huge leap of faith that our worst days are behind us.

Robert Tressell
202 Posted 14/06/2022 at 17:10:30
Sam # 198, Caceido looks every inch the Bissouma replacement. Bought from a low cost market, developed in readiness to replace a likely big departure. Well run club, Brighton. You could add Kozlowski to that list of good young midfielders too.

Ed Prytherch
203 Posted 14/06/2022 at 17:21:56
Andrew 200 - that is a good analysis. Don't complain that we might have got Bissouma, he would never have come here.
Andrew Keatley
204 Posted 14/06/2022 at 17:33:01
Robert (201) - Caicedo was heavily linked with us before he opted for Brighton. Not sure the ins and outs of it but he could easily have ended up here.
Robert Tressell
205 Posted 14/06/2022 at 19:16:25
Yes, I know, Andrew. I remember Sam giving a good critique from some international games.

The point is he didn't end up here, he ended up at Brighton - a well run club with a good track record operating in low cost markets and developing talent and careers (in stark contrast to us).

Fran Mitchell
206 Posted 14/06/2022 at 20:01:54
Bissouma was rated at £40-50 million last summer. An extra year proving himself in the Premier League, performing consistently well all season, and his value drops to £25/30M.

Shows the risk we run with Richarlison, if he stays until his final year, his sale value will halve.

Excellent deal for Spurs, who could be the real deal under Conte.

Paul Johnson
207 Posted 14/06/2022 at 20:14:20
Word on the streets down south is that Bissouma has a sex scandal hanging over his head and why no one else has been mentioned in trying to sign him. >

So, if true, the £25-30 million could be money down the drain or, if not guilty, another Levy masterstroke.

Regarding Richarlison, it should be £75 million or get lost. Is he worth it? But I am fed up with feeling like we should be grateful for everything. The kid has only grown during his time at Everton and we should be well compensated for that.

Ian Bennett
208 Posted 15/06/2022 at 08:19:16
Watford CEO confirmed the sell-on for Richarlison is 10% over £40M.

So a £60M deal would see £2M going to Watford. I'd seen comments of £6-10M going to Watford which doesn't appear to be the case.

Brian Murray
209 Posted 15/06/2022 at 08:25:19
If we don't set a deadline, say this Saturday for this or any sale, it will leave us very vulnerable and with less chance of getting decent replacements. Tell Levy a price and stick to it, with no Harry Winks or Lucas Moura bullshit involved.

Or maybe we are doing Thelwell a disservice and he's well on the case from all angles. Doesn't sound like the Everton Way but here's hoping.

Tony Shelby
210 Posted 15/06/2022 at 09:26:55
We need to do everything we can to keep Richarlison. He wears his heart on his sleeve and gets us as a club.

If the potential Kenyon-lead acquisition means an improvement to our FFP position and a renewed ability to strengthen the squad, that needs to be relayed to players like him and Calvert-Lewin... and sharpish.

Tony Everan
211 Posted 15/06/2022 at 10:38:37
Brazilian outlet UOL, who are considered to be reliable, today have reported that Chelsea have registered an interest in signing Richarlison this summer.

Also more rumours that Frank is interested in Levi Colwill, the young Chelsea centre-back who did well on loan at Huddersfield last season.

I think the rules are you can only get one loan player from a club. So if we were after, say Gilmour, as well, we'd have to buy one or the other.

Brian Murray
212 Posted 15/06/2022 at 10:43:24
Tony. We have enough players like Gilmour in the midfield. Try for his mate Gallagher or move on...
Martin Faulkner
213 Posted 15/06/2022 at 11:13:40
Tony @210,

My understanding is that FFP has nothing to do with who owns the club, it's purely based on business profit and loss over a 3-year rolling period for Everton FC. We're pretty close to the limit there (well over it actually) and new owners themselves can't improve that even if Elon Musk bought us.

What needs to happen is the club needs to offload high earners, sell valuable assets, and replace high earners with ones on half of what they were on. About all a rich new owner could do for us is sort out a bogus inflated sponsorship deals like Man City did.

The FFP rules were made to stop the rest getting near the current best.

Larry O'Hara
214 Posted 15/06/2022 at 11:19:05
If it’s Chelsea how about a straight swap (with add ons for resale/winning things)—Lukaku plus years supply of Chelsea buns, and Conor Gallagher too. Simpoules!
Tony Shelby
215 Posted 15/06/2022 at 11:50:09
Martin (213) - FFP is a fucking swizz!

The likes of Chelsea had years to grow as they (allegedly) laundered the money of their Russian owner by buying the finest talent available, all before FFP came in.

The teams outside of the top 4 need to get together and challenge FFP in court. It is clearly a restriction of trade that has created a cartel. 'Exhibit A' is the European Super League, which shows precisely that intention.

Tony Waring
216 Posted 15/06/2022 at 17:17:53
If he has 2 years left on his contract, I reckon we should keep him for another season because, if he has a good World Cup, his selling price can only head north.
Paul Jones
217 Posted 16/06/2022 at 02:52:38
Everton need to make sure that they get a decent price for Richarlison and not take players in part exchange for big money that Spurs obviously don't regard as good enough to meet their ambitions.

I cannot see why we would want to take Winks as he is hardly an improvement on what we already have. Lucas Moura is another one that looks bang average.

Brian Wilkinson
218 Posted 17/06/2022 at 15:50:08
Chelsea are throwing their hat into the ring now.

Better chance of getting some players coming the other way than what Spurs are offering.

Bob Parrington
219 Posted 20/06/2022 at 12:55:31
We need a negotiator. £70m or no deal. No player exchange as this leaves us a better chance to choose who we want, with the skills and character that we want.
Steve Shave
220 Posted 20/06/2022 at 17:08:53
Brian @218, I was just about to post the same thing.

Chelsea getting in the mix is exactly what we want because a) they will drive up the price and b) they have fringe players we want.

If we got £50M for Richarlison plus Gilmour on a permanent contract as well as Gallagher on loan, I'd be over the moon.

There are potentially other versions of that deal too: I like both Colwill and Broja, though not exactly what we need, unless we are selling two centre-backs and Calvert-Lewin.

Sam Hoare
221 Posted 20/06/2022 at 17:24:26
Chelsea definitely have some young fringe players who could do well over time under Lampard.

I wonder if our FFP situation makes it preferable to receive cash for a player or player exchange? I suspect that the former may be preferable. But the latter could mean sorting out our whole transfer window in one deal if Chelsea were keen to play ball!

Let's just say we could persuade Chelsea to give us Colwill, Ampadu and Broja permanently plus £10-20M for Richarlison then I'd be chuffed. All those 3 are players who have shown talent already at first-team level but with big potential to improve.

Pickford
Patterson Tarkowski Colwill Mykolenko
Iwobi Ampadu Doucoure
Gordon Calvert-Lewin Broja

Many on here wouldn't fancy that team but I think they could do okay this season. And then maybe much better next season. It's a pretty mobile and very hard-working team which I think is what we need at Goodison. Maybe spend the £20M on Zinchenko to give you some creativity and back-up at full-backs.

Ray Said
222 Posted 20/06/2022 at 17:47:45
Matheus Pereira, ex West Brom and now in Saudi with Al Hilal, is the player I would most like to see us target if Richarlison leaves. He is proven at Premier League level, good goal and assist record in a poor West Brom team and likely to settle easily back into this country. He has always looked very high class and is a good age at 26.
Martin Mason
223 Posted 20/06/2022 at 17:51:41
I'm sad beyond belief at the loss of Richarlison but it could be a sacrifice that saves us.

Looks like we may buy Oleksandr Zinchenko from Man City which will be superb for the left midfield position.

I read that we may be in for Gareth Bale, excuse me while I vomit.

Jay Harris
224 Posted 20/06/2022 at 17:59:47
I stand to be corrected but if we get cash for a player, say £60M for Richarlison, that goes straight to income. But, if we get a player for £35M say over a 5-year contract, that gets amortised over 5 years at £7M a year, hence why we would be less interested in players plus cash deals.

Mike G, I thought Rondon was on a 1-year deal with an option for year 2?

Dave Lynch
225 Posted 20/06/2022 at 18:15:04
Don't know if anyone's mentioned this... but, they may be trying to throw Dele Alli into the deal to keep the price down.
Mike Gaynes
226 Posted 20/06/2022 at 18:15:50
Jay, nope, 2-year deal with a club option for a third.
Jay Harris
227 Posted 20/06/2022 at 18:32:43
I bow to your superior knowledge, Mike.
Brian Williams
228 Posted 20/06/2022 at 19:01:39
Dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Just read you have to wear a shirt and tie to all home games next season in an attempt to smarten up the fanbase. Well, something needs to be done to smarten them up, for fuck's sake.

Richarlison abducted by aliens seems to be trending too.

Gary Jones
229 Posted 20/06/2022 at 19:25:50
Agree with Sam @ 221 that, if he has to go, then the ideal outcome is to get a good trade with Chelsea for some youngsters. Doubt they'd do it, but if we could swap for Loftus-Cheek + Broja + Hudson-Odoi (all maybe £20M a pop?) that wouldn't be so bad.

4-4-2

Pickford
Patterson Mina Tarkowski Mykolenko
Hudson-Odoi Loftus-Cheek Doucoure Gordon
Broja Calvert-Lewin

Not a bad line-up that with Dele and Gray off the bench and Godfrey, Holgate, or Branthwaite to come in when glass legs gets injured.

Brian Harrison
230 Posted 20/06/2022 at 20:06:57
Reading all the speculation about where Richarlison may end up, the common denominator is that both Spurs and Chelsea want to part-exchange one or two players who seem surplus to requirements of both these clubs. The Echo is saying Everton are keen on signing Winks and also Moura has come into the conversation.

I think Levy must now have decided that we are in such a hopeless position, he can pull any string they like with us. He successfully persuaded us to take Dele off his hands and his £100,000+ wages, and not on a loan but on a permanent basis, and got us to agree a pay-for-play deal which could net Spurs anything from £10 to £40 million.

Look, if Richarlison has to be sold, then it should be for a shed-load of money with no player exchange deals. I really hope that Real Madrid come in for him as it's rumoured.

Tony Everan
231 Posted 20/06/2022 at 20:53:04
I'd like to see Richarlison go to Real Madrid too if he moves.

With regards to Chelsea, at least with them it gives us more leverage to get a loan and a signing or two in from them. If their favourite son, Frank, can negotiate Broja and Gallagher coming here, then that's business that potentially makes us stronger.

It's what we should be achieving every time we sell a major asset. Far better than doing business with Levy and getting Winks and Moura.

Also in the Chelsea mix will be Levi Colwill, Loftus-Cheek, Hudson-Odoi, Billy Gilmour. All will be looking for good clubs where they are going to have a realistic chance to start matches. I can see us bringing in at least one or two out of those six. Frank will know these players inside out and will have a clear idea on who he wants.

James Flynn
232 Posted 20/06/2022 at 21:19:40
Richarlison needs to "end up" right where he is.

It took the 85th minute of the 37th game to genuinely believe "We can stay up". Another 15 minutes of nerves, but here we are.

Given that, I think selling one of the key players who helped us stay up is wrong. And stupid.

Because whatever fee we might get for him, we remain a Club it took until "The 85th minute,. . . . . etc". But now minus, "one of the key players…".

That fee isn't gonna move us far away from the FFP borderline. And where are the player(s) who are gonna give us what Richarlison does?

He's a 25-year-old, has 2 years left at £90k per week. Keep him. Think he'll do a "Kane" and just wander around the pitch for a while after Levy rejected the Man City overtures? I don't.

I appreciate that the transfer window is open and it's called Silly Season for a reason, so speculation is the norm. But it's Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin, and Pickford (and a few others) we need to build on, not look to sell for some readies.

Let our new DoF earn his corn. Get a defensive midfielder to run his socks off. Get two if we can find them. The midfield is what needs strengthening. Just don't sell our best players.

And please let the "Injury Gods" look elsewhere for penitents. My rosary beads are now just a cat's cradle string.

Paul Birmingham
233 Posted 20/06/2022 at 21:37:29
I hope he stays and the club stabilises in the board room, and on the pitch.

It's madness to sell any of Everton's best players bearing in mind there's only a few to become the first names on the team sheet.

If he has to go, as I've said before, I'd rather get top money from Real Madrid, but please no to Spurs and getting some sub-standard players in part exchange.

Surely Everton have got wise to Spurs and their chairman? We shall see.

Justin Doone
234 Posted 20/06/2022 at 22:44:15
I wanted £75M for him but apparently he's gone for £60M plus add ons to Chelsea.

Tuchel was very impressed with his closing down and work rate against Chelsea last season.

Expect a Chelsea player coming in, but we wanted the full transfer fee to help our finances rather than a part-ex deal.

Sam Hoare
235 Posted 21/06/2022 at 07:02:29
Kepa
Ampadu Chalobah Colwill Maatsen
Gallagher Gilmour Loftus-Cheek
Pulisic Broja Hudson-Odoi

Says a lot about where we are that I’d probably take the whole lot of Chelsea’s reserves/fringe players and play most of them too.

Lots of young talent there and Broja is one I really think could excel with us. Hope he doesn’t go to West Ham.

Andy Meighan
236 Posted 21/06/2022 at 08:32:53
Bill 176. Great post. And your take on the midfield is absolutely spot on.

The trouble as far as I'm concerned began when that fat oaf couldn't wait to get rid of Rodriguez. Absolutely criminal. Yes, people cited his injury record and his alleged crying off but we lost goals and assists when he went. And I'm certain we would have 7 or 8 more points than what we ended up with had he been allowed to stay.

Also the Sigurdsson issue didn't help, not his biggest fan but still weighed in with goals and assists.

Our midfield needs a complete overhaul and, though I love Richarlison's attitude and work rate, if he's going, then let's just hope the money gets spent wisely. And please, like many have said, no Winks or Gilmour etc – too lightweight.
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Ajay Gopal
237 Posted 21/06/2022 at 08:36:05
Tony (231) and Paul (233), I don't think Richarlison will end up going to Real Madrid for 3 reasons:

1) I read somewhere that Real Madrid have now reached their limit of 3 non-EU players.

2) Richarlison would not want to play 2nd fiddle to Vinicius – they both compete for the starting spot for Brazil.

3) Richarlison and Vinicius are reported to have had a major bust-up during the recent set of Brazilian friendlies.

I, too, would prefer that Richarlison moves to Chelsea over Tottenham, especially if it involves some of their good players moving in the other direction – Ampadu, Loftus-Cheek, Pulisic, Gallagher, Broja, even Barkley.

Plus, if we can manage to sell Mina for about £15-20 million and get in Zinchenko, we might have a decent team that can compete for the 8th to 12th slots.

Joe McMahon
238 Posted 21/06/2022 at 08:42:08
Ajay, please not Barkley, we need to move on.
Geoff Lambert
239 Posted 21/06/2022 at 08:54:37
It's going to be a long day!!!
Ray Roche
240 Posted 21/06/2022 at 09:08:18
Justin @234

‘... but apparently he's gone for £60M plus add-ons to Chelsea.'

Where have you heard that? I can't find it anywhere.

Gary Jones
241 Posted 21/06/2022 at 09:17:45
As I’ve stated before…. if we let him go BEFORE we get in replacements, then it’ll be typical commercial suicide that will ultimately impact the playing side too. Any player we try to buy from there and it’s 20% extra on the price. Please don’t do it, again, Everton.

Ideal scenario is still the swaps with Chelsea. Whilst I’d hoped for 3 of them, I’d think that 1 perm and 1 loan is best hope. Given we have to replace him with at LEAST 10 goals, I’d want Broja on the perm, and then ideally Gallagher on loan too. Hopefully with the £35m-40m change then going on Zinchenko and a natural and established CDM too.

Michael Kenrick
242 Posted 21/06/2022 at 09:33:46
Ray @240,

I'm with you, I can't see anything suggesting it's done… Justin???

The Mail are saying Richarlison is now "Everton's £70M-rated forward" – so that's a welcome uptick from £51.25M, at least.

Derek Taylor
243 Posted 21/06/2022 at 09:47:06
So we sell Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin and that enables the signing of up to half a dozen no-marks of the kind we have come to expect under Moshiri? It's the Villa pattern to a tee and will end with similar grief.

Lampard will be gone by Christmas – by when our fate will be all but sealed.

Clive Rogers
244 Posted 21/06/2022 at 09:49:08
It's beginning to look like the Richarlison cash has to be there before we can sign anyone.

It's reported that West Ham have offered £30M for Broja.

Laurie Hartley
245 Posted 21/06/2022 at 09:52:16
Gary # 241,

If Richarlison has to go, then your scenario of getting Borja, Gilmour, and Zinchenko would do me.

Ray Roche
246 Posted 21/06/2022 at 09:54:46
Derek @243

Nice to see a bit of positivity in the morning. Sets your mood for the day!😁

Andrew Ellams
247 Posted 21/06/2022 at 10:02:05
Ray, it's very difficult to see anything other than Derek's version of events coming true. If Richarlison goes, we will only be getting a fraction of that money back to reinvest in players.
Brian Murray
248 Posted 21/06/2022 at 10:07:03
All these different scenarios but Gary Jones @241 is surely the basic requirement. Let fuck-all go until we have the players signed – or as good as.
John Belshaw
249 Posted 21/06/2022 at 10:21:58
Same old Everton! Another debacle – buying high and selling low to one of the so-called Sky ‘Top 6'. The club has struggled for decades to achieve anything because the best players are sold and replaced by inferior ones.

Offer Richarlison a new contract and slap on a £90 to £100 million transfer fee to deter the likes of a Tottenham Hotspur. Should he be sold, prepare for another season of bottom-of-the-table struggle.

Clive Rogers
250 Posted 21/06/2022 at 10:58:35
John @249,

Richarlison has decided he wants to go, and the club are negotiating a fee. There's zero chance of him staying.

Dave Abrahams
251 Posted 21/06/2022 at 11:23:06
I think Everton should offer Richarlison a new improved contract but, if they do, don't be surprised if he doesn't sign it!!
Joe McMahon
252 Posted 21/06/2022 at 11:45:41
John, Richarlison has given us 4 years. He is a Brazil national team regular. There is no way he will stay at a team that has never played in the Champions League and won't do (if at all) for a long time.
Clive Rogers
253 Posted 21/06/2022 at 12:02:35
We have to accept, as the club has, that he is leaving. He is not interested in a new contract with EFC.
Steve Brown
254 Posted 21/06/2022 at 12:34:58
The club doesn't need to offer him a new contract, Clive, as he still has 2 years left on his current deal.

None of us have any clue about 1) the fee the club will demand to sell him; 2) whether they will sell him this summer at all; or 3) if they are talking to any club about his sale. My guess is 1) £75 million; 2) Maybe; 3) No. But that is all it is, guesswork.

Even the Daily Mail has moved on from their bullshit claim that the transfer fee will be £51 million. Plus, this thread has been running since 11 June when Spurs were in ‘advanced talks' to buy him. Well they haven't advanced that much, have they?

Brian Murray
255 Posted 21/06/2022 at 13:05:51
And in other news Andre gomes says he wants to leave. Never knew he arrived.Broja and gallagher this summer with a fit defensive midfielder if gbamin saga has come to the end. Get busy living mr thelwell
Barry Rathbone
256 Posted 21/06/2022 at 14:09:10
Just need him out pronto and begin the task of getting other bodies in to avoid relegation in less dramatic fashion.

We're skint and the blood sucking leech of BMD is sinking it's fangs in for the foreseeable so we need to shore things up till Mosh is buried under the Mersey tunnel.

Can't wait for the Peter Kenyon inspired cadre of carpet baggers - what could possibly go wrong?

Soren Moyer
257 Posted 21/06/2022 at 16:43:03
This is bloody outrageous! Everton paid Watford an initial £35million, potentially rising to £50million 4 years ago and now letting him go for nearly the same amount of money!!!!? Levy must be thinking he is dealing with bunch of fools (could be right)!

I say keep him at any cost and sell Calvert-Lewin instead to the highest bidder, then get Broja for less as he is valued between £25M & £30M by Chelsea.

Sam Hoare
258 Posted 24/06/2022 at 09:06:40
Will be interesting to see what the fees are for Jesus and Raphinha. The latter had very similar figures to Richarlison last season and is the same age. Richarlison probably works harder but Raphinha takes better care of the ball.

I would predict £45 for Jesus (mainly due to contract running out), £60m for Raphinha and £65m for Richarlison (hopefully without Winks valued at £20m in part exchange).

Jesus to Arsenal, Raphinha to Spurs and Richarlison to Chelsea?

Gary Jones
259 Posted 25/06/2022 at 14:46:00
According to the Bobble, Spurs have now opened official comms for Richarlison.

Our terms need to be crystal clear:

a) £65M straight cash... or
b) £70M and we take Winks for 12 months

Nothing less.

Sam Hoare
260 Posted 25/06/2022 at 15:32:25
Yeah, saw that Gary. Wouldn’t be surprised if it moved quite quickly as it really helps us with FFP if we can make a sale before July 1st apparently.

Other rumours today are that our talks with Chelsea have included talk of 3 exchange players, Broja, Gilmour and Anjorin.

I’d be pretty happy with £40m and Broja.

Jay Harris
261 Posted 25/06/2022 at 16:16:01
It is being reported in the Mail that we need a player sale before the end of June to comply with FFP regs.

How they would know is pure speculation cos we havent published any figures yet.

My glass half full mode was hoping we could keep Richy and bolster the MF through the sales of Mina, Keane and Gomes but there hasnt been much mention of them recently.

Jay Harris
262 Posted 25/06/2022 at 16:16:29
It is being reported in the Mail that we need a player sale before the end of June to comply with FFP regs.

How they would know is pure speculation cos we havent published any figures yet.

My glass half full mode was hoping we could keep Richy and bolster the MF through the sales of Mina, Keane and Gomes but there hasnt been much mention of them recently.

Lee Robinson
263 Posted 27/06/2022 at 08:54:44
I get the love in from the fans who have connected with Richy and no doubt he is a big character currently at the club.
He does love Everton, and his antics on social media over the years have been enjoyable.

However he has been with Everton 5 years, it's time to move on, and we would be absolutely crazy not to sell him.

Personally I think he is more than replaceable, he frustrates me most weeks, I don't think he has any kind of on-field partnership the team would miss, and his goal/assist ratio is poor I would say.

It will be interesting to see what he is like at a new club, the pedestal we put him on most weeks he is afforded poor runs of games, or will he go onto the next level when surrounded by better players, Either way its the perfect time to cash in and re-build.

Zinchenko is a must, and if we can add Erikson and Gallagher then we have the base of a decent premier league midfield.

Tony Everan
264 Posted 27/06/2022 at 09:52:19
It's a bit concerning this FFP 1 July deadline – it could force us to make decisions we wouldn't make under normal circumstances. Levy will think he has us over a barrel. If Frank has any currency with Chelsea, he needs to call in a favour now .

Better to do business with Chelsea and buy in Broja and get another player on loan. We've got to use any leverage while we can to make the squad stronger. Selling to Spurs and getting Winks as a makeweight is not the best business here.

If we can bring in Broja as part of the deal, that still leaves us a decent amount to sign Zinchenko. The remaining £15-20M and a further one or two player sales left to sign a defensive CM. Finally, sell or move Gomes out on loan, wages saved there use for Eriksen's wages on a free.

Danny O’Neill
265 Posted 29/06/2022 at 07:14:28
Let's see what tomorrow and the weekend brings. We can't control it.

I grew up listening to my Dad complain for years about the premature sale of Alan Ball.

We lost Linekar prematurely. We sold Rooney on the cheap in reality.

For once Everton, look after yourselves. Do good business and reinvest wisely if you decide to sell a valuable asset.


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