Brentford 1 - 1 Everton

Everton play the second of three consecutive away games in the space of a week when they travel to the Capital on Saturday to face Brentford.

Rondon is dropped to the bench, with Onana starting behind Anthony Gordon, who continues to be a key player for Frank Lampard in the face of rampant transfer speculation.

Everton kicked off but could no retain possession and Brentford pushed up for a sho that was deflected behind for the first corner, played short, then punched clear by Pickford. The Blues then had some good possession that then went absolutely nowhere, finally, Tarkowski's second ball forward was overhit behind.

Pickford picked out Mykolenko but McNeil just wasn't at the races and wasted his passes. Brentford tried the same move only better when Mbeumo drove inches wide off a Route One layoff. After more farting about, overplaying the laboured build-up, Iwobi actually took a shot at the Brentford goal. 

Gordon chased a ball down but his shot was too easily blocked. Some good pressing of the Brentford defence trying to play out forced the first Everton corner, but it was cleared and sent Brentford on a rampage forward.

Another painfully low build-up won a second Everton corner, McNeil failing to beat the first man but a ball back in looked like a gif for Tarkowski, who could not get his foot around it.

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Brentford surged forward again and Jensen's shot hit the post, then Gordon responded but his curling shot was saved. A fairly open game, moving from end to end, ensued with Brentford winning their second corner that caused panic at the near post, Pickford losing track of the ball that was under his arm as he fell. 

A ball over the top from Tarkowski fell perfectly for Gordon who took a slightly heavy touch but recovered well to finish very well past Raya and inside the far post. So he can score nice clean goals!

But they almost gave up the advantage with a daft sequence of defensive play that almost invited danger, Iwobi and Tarkowski at fault. 

Toney and Coady got into it a little. Another brilliant Tarkowski diagonal ball should have been better received by Patterson but he had not stayed onside. And yet another one almost fell for Gray, who won a corner that sailed over Tarkowski's head.  

The Blues did their best to have Brentford equalize, Toney's header hitting the post with Wissa wellying the rebound half-way to Westminster, goal gaping. 

The home side ramped up the pressure in a quest for the equalizer, Mbeumo curling one just past the far post. Somehow, that was given as a corner which didn't trouble Pickford. Next up was Wissa again wafting at the ball as the Everton defenders had another 'moment'. 

Everton had another spelling playing the ball forward but nobody seemed convinced they should make any effort on goal and the ball was squandered behind.  But another brilliant diagonal ball to Mykolenko set up Gordon for a shot that Raya saved. 

Onana got a chance to come forward but seemed to get immediately dizzy and it was left to Iwobi to fashion a shot that was blocked. It ended a good half for Everton who had been written off by so many of their own supporters. 

After the restart, Brenford tried the long diagonal ball but Holgate defended it well. But Hogate then put Pickford in a difficult spot with a lofted backpass the Everon keeper had to control with his chest with ---- in attention. 

Onana was sucked in o giving away a typical Premier League foul drawn by the attacker, but the free-kick came to nothing but on the next phase, Da Silva almost set up a tap-in.  Jensen's brilliant long throw saw Nørgaard acrobatically hit the bar and Pickford gratefully collected the ball.

Wissa was booked for catching Onana's ankle. money when went in late on Holgate. The ball broke for Everton and they should have scored but Gordon took his shot early and straight at Raya. A comedy moment as Ben Mee shoved Gordon into Brian Reamer, bowling him over in the Technical Area. 

Onana was drawing more attention to himself as Everton struggled o play through Brenofrd'd high press. Iwobi lost the ball in the middle and went to win it back in style. But Brentford pressed forward and Mbuemo sent another screamer 1 foot wide. 

Brentford were now pressing hard, Holgate setting up a very dangerous attack for the home side before Frank went for a triple sub. But Holgate went down holding his knee, and Keane replaced him, his first act to gift the home side a corner! From which they almost scored. A brilliant save by Pickford, but palmed out again almost to a Bees player.  

The game entered a crucial stage with the Everton goal leading a charmed life. But Gray looked o get free, beating Mee but failing to shoot before the chance was lost for a corner. Tarkowski headed wide. 

Lee Mason, the VAR, let Iwobi off with a handball as the Brentford pressure mounted. Davies replaced Onana. Then Mykolenko injured his leg. The Blues defence was now under constant pressure with Pckfrd being booked for throwing the ball away and Lampard making changes to seemingly waste time. 

And it all fell apart from a simple corner headed on to Janelt a yard out. Terrible zonal marking. Everton tried but failed to respond, Patterson lashing over, and the Blues put themselves under more relentless pressure as the Bees went for the winner. 

But Everton held ut in a scrappy and disjointed end t a game he, with better discipline, they should have won. 

Kick-off: 3 pm BST, Saturday 27 August 2022

Brentford: Raya, Hickey [Y:90+5'], Henry, Nørgaard (69' Janelt), Jensen, Dasilva (90+3' Sørensen) , Wissa [Y:54'] (68' Lewis-Potter), Zanka (68'  Baptiste), Mee, Toney, Mbuemo (78' Damsgaard).

Subs not Used: Ghoddos, Onyeka, Strakosha, Roerslev.

Everton: Pickford [Y:81'],  Tarkowski, Coady, Holgate, (68' Keane) Patterson, Mykolenko (86' Vinagre), Onana (78' Davies), Iwobi, McNeil (86' Rondon), Gordon [Y:90+3'], Gray.

Subs: Begovic, Allan, Coleman, Warrington, Mills.

Referee: John Brooks
VAR: Lee Mason 

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Christine Foster
1 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:04:27
No Rondon... that's a surprise... who will play the false No 9?
Brian Murray
2 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:07:33
Is Tom Cannon on the bench?
Mike Gaynes
3 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:09:20
Delighted to see Onana start. What say, young man, how about getting through this one without a yellow card, eh?
John Kavanagh
4 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:09:26
Interesting selection. Risking Onana from the start and probably using Gray this time as the false 9?

Anyway, pleased to see Warrington and Mills on the bench and I hope they get some more minutes in.

Mike Oates
5 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:09:52
Clearly Rondon not in Frank's plans at all, another possible day when we can't keep the ball at all.
Rob Dolby
6 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:12:45
Mike 5. We haven't kept the ball since we had Roberto as the manager.

There is more than one way of winning a game of footy.

I would have put Onana up top today and kept Davies in but what do I know?

Utft coyb.

Duncan McDine
7 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:12:56
Square pegs / Round holes. If it works, then hats off to Lampard… but I feel we look more of a threat as a team with Rondon on the pitch.

I was trying to get a ticket for today, but no luck… so will have it on the radio whilst fitting my kitchen.

Kieran Kinsella
8 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:13:06
Wonder if Allan is still not fit or Frank's just decided to move on from him.

Yeah, Mike, hopefully Onana keeps a cool head

Danny Baily
9 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:13:39
Five at the back, no attacking threat, normal service. 2-0 to Brentford.
Mike Gaynes
10 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:14:28
Onana up top???
Kevin Molloy
11 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:14:43
I thought at the time it was a weird decision to play Rondon in midweek, cos you don't get three games a week out of him. Maybe at that point they thought they could get Maupay done fast, but they should have had L4 incompetence baked into their estimations as standard.

And so we go with 5-5-0. If Brentford hit their stride, we are in for a walloping, and rightly so.

Marc Hints
12 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:15:20
Awful bench... what is Frank thinking? Not one player there to bring on to change the game if we're losing.
Ian Bennett
13 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:15:20
I would, Mike. He can't get caught in front of the back again.
Kieran Kinsella
14 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:15:28

What team would you have picked?

I don't see that we have a lot of options.

Kieran Kinsella
15 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:16:21

Who has he left out from bench options?

Christy Ring
16 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:19:18
Gordon hasn't worked as a false No 9.

I know Rondon was poor during the week, but he's the only striker in the squad, should start. Hope I'm wrong, but hard to see where goals will come from.

Not being negative, Allan back on the bench – I don't understand why he didn't get match fitness against Fleetwood.

Marc Hints
17 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:21:40

Well, I would've thought, after taking him there, an out-and-out striker in Tom Cannon.

I know we're limited in options going forward that's not what I'm saying, just looked at bench and thought if we're losing 1 or 2 nil, I cannot see anyone on that bench changing the game for us.

Very defensive bench.

Tony Hill
18 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:25:44
It will be interesting to see how Gordon plays. And McNeil.
Jim Wilson
19 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:26:59
No midfield to speak of, no attack, just 5 at the back and wingers is a recipe for another disappointing day.

I know you don't have forwards, Frank, but you should be able to do better than this.

Mike Gaynes
20 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:30:08
Marc, have you ever actually seen Cannon play?
Kevin Naylor
21 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:30:11
Jim @19, he did have forwards and loaned them all out, could had Cannon on the bench as a minimum.
Marc Hints
22 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:33:25
Well, put it this way, Mike, I would give a youngster who can score a goal a place on the bench rather than Coleman if we're 1- or 2-nil down.
Kieran Kinsella
23 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:37:00

I'd be inclined to roll the dice too but, that being said, the likes of Brent who've watched him a lot aren't exactly effusive in their praise.

Presumably Frank has a pretty good idea of his strengths and weaknesses so I suspect our hopeful outlook is countered by hard realities as to his ability at this point.

Ciarán McGlone
24 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:37:29
No issue with dropping Rondon. He doesn't add anything, even as a pin point of attack or occupying defenders.. he's so slow that defenders really don't give s shit about him.

The problem is the lack of midfield with the 5-man defence. There is no budging from this tactic... Lampard will die on this particular sword.

Hopefully we can overcome that particular handicap and win. I predict plenty of long-range shots... Hopefully a couple hit the back of the net.

Let's go.

Marc Hints
25 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:40:16
Yeah maybe, Kieran.

I must admit not seen a lot but, when I see Coleman on the bench, I just think him, Simms, Dobbin would be an option if we're behind until hopefully we get some more offensive players in.

Tony Hill
26 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:42:06
I think Onana and Iwobi together could be effective.
John Hall
27 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:42:53
Rondon to come on with 20 mins to go and get a hat-trick or maybe just a hat?
Tony Everan
30 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:48:07
So a back five again, just can't see who finishes off the balls in from the wing backs, especially the headers.

Hopefully today they've been told to fire the crosses in hard and low and we may just get something from one of them.

Whatever, any win would be great and a Gordon goal or assist would be the icing on the cake.


Alan J Thompson
31 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:48:11
No striker, no goals? Or will it be more of the long ball over the top hoping one of the wingers will repeat Gray's goal of last week?

I suppose there is some sort of a chance that the three wingers might pay off one week or somebody has had shooting on sight practice through the week but doesn't fill me with hope.

Robert Tressell
32 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:48:30
I haven't a clue how this will play out. We could certainly do with an early goal though.
Eddie Dunn
36 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:50:44
A piss-poor squad with nothing on the bench. I can only see a defeat, 2-0.

Awful decision-making in letting so many go on loan, and we are so light up top. Back five again! Frank is lost.

Jay Harris
38 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:53:00
Let's see... McNeil or Rondon. Difficult choice but Rondon edges it for me, especially in a physical away game.
Gerry Quinn
43 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:58:14
Miss the heat of Houston (NOT!) and am fed up with so much whining on the Live Forum – before anyone has even kicked a ball...

Talk about giving players a chance...

Rob Jones
44 Posted 27/08/2022 at 14:58:28
Gordon is not a 9!!!

Why the fuck is he persisting with a formation and line-up that does not work? This stupidity and stubbornness will cost him, and us, dearly.

Soren Moyer
46 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:01:56
Coady in midfield! And no focal point up front (Rondon at least)!!? Not going to end well this.
John Hall
49 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:02:13
Is Gordon up top or Gray?
Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:05:22
Wow, the traveling Blues are in fabulous singing form today.
Lee Jackson
58 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:07:04
God how I hate this summarizer on Peacock. Always so negative and miserable sounding. I *think* it's Gary Birtles.
Jamie Crowley
61 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:09:19
Where was Holgate on that Brentford counter??
Joseph Terrence
62 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:10:36
Onana is a bit shit. Niasse Mk 2
Mike Gaynes
64 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:10:41
McNeil twice now with the ball and space at the edge of the 18. Two bad passes.
Bill Gall
67 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:11:37
Love these commentators who say how the teams should play, shouldn't they be looking for a manager's job instead of trying to tell professionals how to do their job?
Will Mabon
68 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:11:56
Mike - and WON'T shoot.
Mike Gaynes
71 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:12:21
Joseph, are you for real???
Jamie Crowley
72 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:12:27
Spirit of the Blues is lovely, but any chance our fans could mix it up a bit?

Maybe try another song?

Jamie Crowley
74 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:13:36
Joseph you're certifiably nuts. Onana has tons of talent and potential.
Mike Gaynes
75 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:14:51
Except for that one Brentford counter, we're controlling this so far.
Will Mabon
76 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:14:59
Endless wasted corners, so annoying.
Jerome Shields
78 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:16:33
Rondon will be brought on second half. Frank is back to his normal tactics. Three centre-halves and two wingbacks.

Interesting Onana gets a start (Davies coming in as a sub second half), hoping he will get playing more as an attacking midfielder.

The wandering Angus, Iowbi is now Everton's pivotal midfielder. Can Gray, Gordon and McNeil engage more in their forward roles supported by play from midfield and link up from runners arising from there?

Surely practising this, week-in & week-out on the training ground, will finally click with these players.

Pat Kelly
79 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:17:14
Almost caught on the break...
Mike Gaynes
82 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:18:22
Off the post. Danger signs everywhere.
Andrew Merrick
85 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:19:14
Quite a lot to like so far...
Robert Tressell
86 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:19:24
Don't play so open Everton. Keep it safe and boring away.
Jamie Crowley
88 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:19:59
Fuckin' Tarkowski with the slow, door-opener fart.
Pat Kelly
89 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:20:02
Bees hit the post.
Jamie Crowley
90 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:21:02
Hey Pat - thanks for that encompassing, scintillating commentary! 😜
Mike Gaynes
92 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:22:02
We are simply not getting back off our own corners. Bees getting 3-on-1 breaks. The next time we get a corner, we should seriously consider declining it.
Benjamin Dyke
94 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:22:27
We're making our corners the best route to a goal for them right now. Twice 3 on 1s have come from our corners!
Alex Gray
96 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:23:39
Currently on my honeymoon anyone watching it today? How have we started?
Mike Gaynes
97 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:24:20
Lee Jackson
98 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:24:23
Get in!
Tom Bowers
99 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:24:26
This is the way Brentford play and will make us pay if we don't get the first goal and tighten up.
Derek Thomas
100 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:24:36
Jamie Crowley
101 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:24:47
There's your £60 Million!! Let's GOOOOOOO!!!!
Will Mabon
102 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:25:07
Matthew Williams
103 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:25:10
Gordon's ALIVE!
Bill Gall
104 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:25:33
How cool was that?
Kieran Kinsella
105 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:25:33
Tom Bowers

Keep tempting fate, mate, and we can thrash them.

Tommy Meehan
107 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:26:12
Another £20M onto his value!
Lee Jackson
108 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:26:27
That's the best goal he's scored (I think the first that didn't come of his arse or take a deflection).
Tony Everan
110 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:26:38
Getting all teary here! Loads of work to do yet though.
Jamie Crowley
111 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:26:48
OMFG stop fuckin' round in the back. Jeez man!
Soren Moyer
112 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:26:52
Gordon = £70M+ now, lol.
Will Mabon
113 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:27:06
Risky there...
Kieran Kinsella
114 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:27:16

I was gonna ask if it was deflected?

Jamie Crowley
115 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:27:43
So I turn 53 today. They gotta win, right?
Tony Byrne
116 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:28:06
Get in!
Andrew Merrick
117 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:28:37
Show some class now guys, keep it tidy and let them work a sweat up.
James Hughes
118 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:28:40
Happy birthday, ya Red Neck... :)
Lee Jackson
119 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:29:32
Great ball by Coady btw
Chris James
120 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:30:26
Who is the pundit on Optus? Grade A prick.
Bill Gall
122 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:30:46
Tony elbows Coady in the face and the commentator did not think it was a foul.
Ian Riley
124 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:30:58
Keep going, lads!!
Derek Thomas
128 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:32:29
Chris. Gary Birtles
Andrew Merrick
135 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:33:32
Away choir on song too
Lee Jackson
138 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:34:14
How the fuck did Brentford not score there?
Mike Gaynes
139 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:34:27
Another post and a missed sitter. Our entire defense is AWOL.
Bill Gall
140 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:35:00
Lucky to get away from that. Maybe it is our lucky day.
Will Mabon
141 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:35:01
Escaped there...
Pat Kelly
143 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:35:30
If the scoreline stays the same, I think we could win this.
Jimmy Salt
144 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:35:56
Wow, what a miss!
Kieran Kinsella
145 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:36:08

That's true… but a goal for them could easily see it become 1-1.

Stefan Busby
146 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:36:10
Lee Jackson
147 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:36:16
I'm just hoping we score more than them, Pat.
Joe McMahon
148 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:36:21
I've just got home (New Model Army gig last night in Hull). It's all happening in football isn't it!

How is Gordon playing?

Pat Kelly
149 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:37:58
If that had gone in, they would've scored.
Rob Jones
150 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:38:01
Very happy to be wrong.
Jamie Crowley
151 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:38:04
We're shaky as fuck in the back. We're lucky to be up in this game honestly.
Andy Meighan
153 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:38:12
Pat 143. Think you could be right there.
James Hughes
154 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:38:15
My stream is so far behind, it is still showing Frank's pre-match interview.
Bill Gall
156 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:38:24
Onana not really in the game, just giving simple passes and not running with the ball and trying to beat a man.
Tony Hill
157 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:38:51
Luck. Lovely.
Dan Parker
159 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:39:08
We really need to learn how to lead games. Been a problem for a few seasons now, lose our heads.
Dan Parker
160 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:40:46
Onana is a passenger at the moment.
Jeff Armstrong
161 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:40:46
Gary Birtles must have been the perfect player listening to him, how did he do at Man Utd?
Jamie Crowley
162 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:40:48
There's no way we should be up in this game. We're really open at the back. Brentford can't hit the net, thankfully.
Will Mabon
164 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:41:16
Need some possession here, backed off too much and letting them play easy.
Andrew Merrick
165 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:41:26
Riding our luck, should be 1-all.
Mike Gaynes
166 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:41:31
Massive gaps in the backline. Mbuemo could have lit up a barbecue and started grilling chicken in our area.
Andy Meighan
167 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:41:54
Jeff 161. Great for Forest, massive flop for United.
Dan Parker
168 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:42:01
Is that who the Peacock commentator is Jeff? Such negative, moaning commentary. The guy has nothing positive to say.
Mark Frere
169 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:42:14
We still look shaky at the back without Mina in there.

Tarkowski and Coady only a slight improvement on Keane and Godfrey.

Lee Jackson
170 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:42:53
Yes Dan, he is always like this to Everton, I think he hates us.
Kevin Molloy
173 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:43:12

Our problem is you need to lead games to learn how to lead in games. If you added up the minutes we were in the lead since last year, it probably comes to about an hour in total.

Jay Harris
174 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:43:15
We can't complain about luck today!
Jamie Crowley
175 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:43:47
Dan -

He's a grumpy fucker, isn't he? He's very critical of Everton, although honestly there's much to be critical of.

Jeff Armstrong
176 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:44:20
Birtles has always been the same, Sky got rid of him.
Moaning twat.
Bill Gall
177 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:45:13
This commentator is starting to piss me off. There were 2 pushes in the back there against Everton and he says Everton defenders are all over the place.
Jamie Crowley
178 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:45:20
I'd say, a little prematurely, good half going forward, shite half in the back.
Colin Wharton
179 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:45:24
Commentator is a prick
Jeff Armstrong
181 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:46:24
We go backwards far too much, when there’s opportunities to go forward and create.
Dan Parker
182 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:46:32
Jamie and Lee, we’ve been a bit shaky at the back but he’s just lazily continuing the narrative of the shaky Keane defending last season.
Mike Gaynes
183 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:46:47
The long balls are working beautifully.
Will Mabon
184 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:47:21
Worth a shot.
Jamie Crowley
185 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:47:35
Dan defo. He's a miserable sounding, negative dude for sure.
Dan Parker
186 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:47:36
Very true, Lee, we do need to win more games!
Jamie Crowley
187 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:49:26
I will say, we look to be trying to play "proper" footy – getting forward, some decent possession.

How good is Iwobi?

I love Onana, but he needs to take note of the ground Iwobi covers and show for the ball more.

Tony Everan
188 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:49:27
Looked a bit more composed just toward the end of the half. Good to see us loving the ball a bit more, as Frank would say.
Mike Gaynes
189 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:49:48

I'd say we've been more than a bit shaky at the back, but you and Jamie have this guy nailed. He literally has nothing positive to say about anybody or anything.

Ian Riley
190 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:49:54
Just keep going!!!!

3 points, couldn't care less about the performance!!!

Charles Brewer
191 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:50:01
If we can stay ahead, we could win this.
Ciarán McGlone
192 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:50:12
Very entertaining half of football.

Onana and Iwobi working very well together. Nice crisp simple passing and mostly forward.

All the offensive line having a decent game including the wing backs who are much further forward.

Centre-halves are worrying. Utter confusion with the 3 centre-halves. Take one off, for Christ's sake, or move Coady forward.

Bill Gall
193 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:51:36
Decent first half. Yes, there were a couple of mistakes but, unless Brentford change their formation our set-up, is okay, not great.
David McMullen
194 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:51:40
Missed most of the half. Last 10 minutes we seemed to be in command. Worrying we had a couple of chances – last couple Gordon and Iwobi I think bit shit.
Jim Bennings
195 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:51:48
We need to win this today.

Horrible looking fixture on Tuesday night and then we'll probably get bounced next Saturday so holding on for this win is crucial.

Lee Jackson
196 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:52:56
Agree, Onana has been quiet. Playing in his shell a little. Understandably after getting the shit kicked out of him against the thugs in midweek.

Nice touch at the end there though to set up that very late attack.

Tony Hill
197 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:52:59
The performance here really doesn't matter. Not a jot. Win it.
David West
198 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:53:12
Playing well ..

Best I've seen this formation work .

Iwobi again looking like the Nigerian David Silva ..

Onana settling well...

McNeil's best 45 yet.

The mistakes at the back will happen, when you think only one of them has been here longer than 8 months...

Positive play on the front foot.

Tom Bowers
199 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:53:23
Wow, we still have the lead at half time.

Iwobi and Onana look a good pair in midfield and Gordon showing a lot more confidence.

Here's hoping we can step up defensively for the next 45 minutes but a second goal would be a bonus.

Dan Parker
200 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:53:49
It's been all Brentford according to Rebecca too, Mike!
Alan J Thompson
201 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:54:14
One nil up when we could, maybe should, be 3 or 4 down.

We found touch on kicking off which seemed to set the standard.

McNeil is rubbish, was Holgate actually on the pitch for most of that half? And it took 15 minutes for somebody to tell Onana that we are the team in blue and we're kicking the opposite way that he is.

Our defending is rubbish but the long ball over the top to the three wingers seems our best bet, well it's paid off so far. I really can't see Lampard knowing how to improve on it.

Joe McMahon
202 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:54:22
Ciarán, I agree, as a clean sheet is looking ominous.

Re Gary Birtles, it's crazy that he got 2 European Cup medals. Probably gone to his head.

Bill Gall
203 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:54:40

How can you make a comment like that on Gordon and Iwobi when you have missed most of the first half?

Paul Kelly
204 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:54:47
Rode our luck a bit there. Entertaining for the neutral, I suppose. Not enough nails for the second half.
Tony Everan
205 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:54:54
Onana looking a great buy, done his share of the hard graft and some lovely touches and skill too. Only 20!
Pat Kelly
206 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:54:54
McNeil getting involved a bit more, hopefully build his confidence.

Onana showing the odd bit of promise. Green shoots.

And Gordon showing why Chelsea want him.

Julian Exshaw
207 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:55:15
Good match. We are playing pretty well, all things considered. A few hairy moments at the back but no complaints from me.

Keep it going, boys!

Kieran Kinsella
209 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:57:59
Is Garry Birtles that old Chaz and Dave looking fellow with the beard who played for Forest?
Mike Gaynes
212 Posted 27/08/2022 at 15:59:43
Well, Dan, Rebecca isn't watching the game, but on scoring chances it has been. They've had five, we've had one.
Geoff Lambert
214 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:01:06
Every time we have the ball in the middle, Onana keeps pointing back!!

Looking very poor at the back. If their luck changes in the second half and we don't sort our back three out, we will concede a couple here.

Iwobi person of the match so far. What!!

George Cumiskey
215 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:01:10
Can't believe how poor McNeil is!
Jerome Shields
216 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:01:23
I thought Gordon's, McNeil's, Gray's movement wa better.

Onano playing it safe as a holding midfielder.

Back a bit shaky. But Everton more composed at the end of the half.

Hope they can with stand the initial Brentford onslaught after the break.

As least Frank has the option of Rondon to strength the Everton shape and keep Brentford from pushing forward and supporting their midfield in the second half, as they will try to do.

Jeff Armstrong
217 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:02:06
Kieran, yes, that's him, miserable twat.

Failed miserably at United but comments like he was Messi and Beckenbeur rolled into one.

Jay Harris
218 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:02:09
I would bring Tom Davies on for McNeil second half.
David West
220 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:05:01
Tony 205, agree.

The lad is 20. looks like he's been at this level for years. After 10 games, I think he will be frightening.

We are riding our luck but it can be expected with basically a whole new defence.

Jamie Crowley
221 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:05:14
Mason Holgate has actually played well the last couple of games.
David McMullen
222 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:06:00
Ooh Anthony Gordon
Charles Brewer
224 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:06:46
What the fuck was that from Holgate?
Mark Taylor
225 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:06:53
Pat, I heard Bill had included it as part of the deal to send Gordon to Chelsea in exchange for Barkley.
Jamie Crowley
227 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:07:16
David good point. The backline hasn't played together long. Cohesion will come.
Mike Gaynes
228 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:08:03
David and Tony, yes, you can almost watch Onana's confidence growing. Must be careful of where he fouls, however.
Jamie Crowley
229 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:08:14
Charles - the Crowley kiss of death
Mike Gaynes
232 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:10:14
Crossbar again. Our luck today is incredible.
Lee Jackson
233 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:10:17
OMFG, off the bar by Brentford now. Our lucky day?
Duncan McDine
235 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:10:38
How many times have they hit the woodwork? Sounds like we're riding our luck.
Jamie Crowley
236 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:10:43
Jeez that was close.
Will Mabon
238 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:11:25
We're giving them every opportunity here. Get into the game!
Mike Gaynes
240 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:12:06
Andy, Rebecca Lowe is the beloved host of NBC's Premier League coverage in the United States.
Charles Brewer
241 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:12:18
Maybe always standing off the attackers isn't the best tactic.
Charles Brewer
243 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:13:04
Not feeling very good about this...
Mike Gaynes
245 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:14:06
Four times, Duncan. Plus they've missed a couple of sitters.
Lee Jackson
246 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:14:16
Oooh, close, after great Onana challenge.
Jamie Crowley
247 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:14:53
Fucking brilliant tackle, Onana!!! Love it!
Jimmy Salt
248 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:15:53
Should be 2-0.
Mike Gaynes
249 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:15:59
Onana can really tackle. He's a Goodison icon in the making if he can stay on the pitch.
Joe McMahon
250 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:17:12
Frank seems to be yet another reactive manager, rather than proactive.
James Hughes
251 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:17:33
Should have been 2-0.
Jamie Crowley
252 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:17:51
Idiot Assiaatant Coach and then goes "bird chest". What a buffoon.
Tony Everan
253 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:18:07
Big dickhead took it personally
Dan Parker
254 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:18:29
Need calm heads here. Sub time
Bill Gall
255 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:19:19
Think Parker is sorry he went to the wrong club, should have stayed with Fulham.
Pekka Harvilahti
256 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:20:55
Gordon's goal showed how we must play against Brentford.

Tarkowski and Coady are good at making those long passes over the slow defense with a high line. We got Anthony and Demarai with Mykolenko and Patterson going down there so we should get another goal.

Btw, Brooks is not a good ref, typical homer seeking home grounds affection. He is allowing them to play hard but if we try the same, it's a yellow card.

Bill Gall
257 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:22:08
Is this commentator Brentford's assistant manager?

Needs reminding there are 2 teams...

Dan Parker
258 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:23:39
C'mon Frank, we're going very stale here.
Mike Gaynes
259 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:23:55
Pekka, I think this ref has done an excellent job, so far one of the best I've seen.
George Cumiskey
260 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:24:22
Get McNeil off, for fuck's sake!
David Hallwood
261 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:25:04
Take McNeil off and put Davies on.
Charles Brewer
262 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:25:17
I love Pickford, but I really wish he would dominate the penalty area and catch the bloody ball sometimes instead of letting the defenders do a weak header.
Mike Gaynes
263 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:25:27
Another centre-back injury. This is ridiculous. Keane coming on.
Duncan McDine
264 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:25:41
MG thanks - this will be a smash and grab if we’re able to hang in there
Bill Gall
265 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:26:21
Keane on for Holgate.
Joe McMahon
267 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:26:38
Hanging on Carlo style here...
Jamie Crowley
268 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:26:45
Keano in. Hope he's in the middle of the back 3?
David McMullen
269 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:27:17
I think we need a sub or two. We're running on empty.
Mike Gaynes
270 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:28:23
David, agree it's time for McNeil to come off, but we need Allan on, not Davies.
Ciarán McGlone
271 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:28:38
Zero creativity or realisation that the back 3 isn't working... Keane on...

I wonder what comes next ?

Jeff Armstrong
272 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:28:53
Put Tarkowski in the middle, Keane on left.
Ian Bennett
273 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:28:55
Another injury? Sorry, but they're clearly not fit enough for Premier League football.

Top players are playing 70 games a season, ours are doing 25 tops. Pro rata, they're the best laid footballers in football.

Bill Gall
274 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:29:41
Keane should have hooked that over the stand instead of giving a stupid corner.
Dan Parker
275 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:30:09
I know we signed Maupay but we’re criminally short up front and opposition teams know they can commit with little risk of a dangerous break.
David McMullen
276 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:30:44
Keane should be in the Championship by now.
Charles Brewer
277 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:30:47
"Best laid footballers" ?Ian, I thought they couldn't score in a brothel
Kieran Kinsella
278 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:31:29
We've had excess injuries since Roberto Marinez but we can't blame coaches as they come and go. Is it some other factor? is Finch Farm too hard or something?
Mark Frere
279 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:31:53
Can we not Onana upfront like we did with Fellaini?
Joe McMahon
280 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:32:19
David, no one in the Championship will pay these wages.
Lee Jackson
281 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:32:40
Falling under the kosh a bit here.

Gray should have done better there.

Mike Gaynes
282 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:32:42
What a pass from Onana, and Gray didn't shoot. Dammit.
Jamie Crowley
283 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:33:09
What a drive forward and ball from Onana. I seriously love this kid.
Tony Everan
284 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:33:26
Beautiful, perfectly weighted pass on the run too, from Onana, should've been 2-0
Mike Gaynes
285 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:34:19
Another crap pass from McNeil under no pressure. Time to sit.
Joe McMahon
286 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:34:37
Why is it always hanging on to one-goal leads, no matter who the Everton manager is?

Bill can stick his good times up his fat arse.

Sean Roe
287 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:34:47
We can hold on here, 3 points incoming.

All close scores today.

Dan Parker
288 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:35:48
What a nightmare team we are to watch at times
Jamie Crowley
289 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:36:21
Oh fuck... Lee Mason the VAR.
Tony Everan
290 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:36:27
Mike Gaynes
291 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:36:52
Joe, we are winning the game. Maybe you could put the Kenwright stuff aside for the next 12 minutes??
Jamie Crowley
292 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:36:59
Phew. No hand ball. Riding our luck here.
Gerry Quinn
293 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:37:06
Sean - shhhhhhhhhhhhh - kiss of death that one?
Bill Gall
294 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:37:43
Davies on for Onana – I thought he was playing well.
Sean Turtle
295 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:38:03
Well said, Mike Gaines. Don't deny there's been (a lot of) mismanagement. But TW is full of people who are obsessed with bringing it up constantly, and at times, with no relevance. Such as here.
Charles Brewer
296 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:38:21
How did we get away with that? I don't see any way it was not a penalty!
Mike Gaynes
297 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:38:31
I would love to see Allan coming on right now if he's fit.
Lee Jackson
298 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:39:06
Sigh, Rondon being readied.
Sean Roe
299 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:39:22
Sorry Gerry, point taken :)
Jeff Armstrong
300 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:39:23
Preconception that Onana needs to get up to speed, hence the sub, but he was doing better than McNeil!
David McMullen
301 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:40:13
To the tune of Roma Romalu Amadou – I like that!
Lee Jackson
302 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:41:12
Charles, it came up of his body – it was ball to arm not arm to ball.
Tony Everan
303 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:41:50
Fuck me, my nerves are shot …. what is the life expectancy of an Evertonian, any research?
Gerry Quinn
305 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:41:55
Sean, no – three points not "point taken"! :) :) :)
Charles Brewer
307 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:42:20
Lee, I am as biased as it's possible to get, but I'd have given it!
Lee Jackson
308 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:42:35
Mike Gaynes
309 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:42:50
Shit. Set piece again.
Bill Gall
310 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:42:52
Fucking corners again.
Jamie Crowley
311 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:43:10
Joe McMahon
312 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:43:13
Sean, it's possibly decades of frustration. Surley you must understand that.

Richard Lyons
313 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:43:19
We'll be lucky to get a point now...
David McMullen
314 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:43:27
Don't say that!
Will Mabon
315 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:43:32
Been begging for it, let's be real.
Mike Gaynes
316 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:43:37
Iwobi and Patterson simply brain dead, let the guy go.
Tony Everan
317 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:43:49
No offside
Dan Parker
318 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:44:00
Only one team looks like winning this and it ain't us. Going to be another long hard slog.

Frank left the subs too late.

Lee Jackson
319 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:44:01
It stands.
Charles Brewer
320 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:44:32
Totally deserved. Fucking about in defence for the past 40 minutes, not clearing anything, no marking.
Bill Gall
321 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:44:51
McNeil should have went off 10 minutes ago.
Jamie Crowley
322 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:44:52
Well, saw that coming...
Nick Page
323 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:45:06
Cursed fucking FC
Eddie Dunn
324 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:45:12
Dreadful display – we deserve nothing.
David McMullen
325 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:45:20
Everton are so obvious for predicting conceding a goal. You know it's happening.
Will Mabon
326 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:45:44
That's what you get for basically conceding control of the game for the whole second half and just hoping to hang on. Amateur.
David McMullen
327 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:45:56
Deserve nothing for the last half-an-hour for sure. Shite.
Chris Leyland
328 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:46:03
Well, that's been coming as we got deeper and deeper, invited pressure on and failed to properly clear the ball, conceding corners that don't need to be conceded.
Pete Hughes
329 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:46:20
Can see us going the whole season without winning an away game!

We are dreadful!

Anthony Flack
331 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:46:30
The sad part is even the Offical commentary has Brentford as way better than us.

Sorry state of affairs.


Jeff Armstrong
334 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:46:51
Zonal again, nobody on the post, fucking horrendous.
Ralph Basnett
335 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:46:59
Typical Everton — try to defend a lead and!!!!!!!

We are so shite and have spunked money on bang average players and are still doing it now but still do not learn any lessons.

Charles Brewer
336 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:47:24
In truth, we should be at least 3 down.
Kieran Kinsella
337 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:47:46

Just away?

Geoff Lambert
338 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:47:58
Should have been 5-1 or 6-1. Very lucky to get a point.

We won't get another point for a long long time. Fuckin garbage.

Pekka Harvilahti
339 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:48:31
I wonder will I ever see Everton win a league game. I'm 62 so you never know...
Will Mabon
340 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:49:30
Think we felt guilty about climbing away from the bottom three.
Dan Parker
341 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:49:31
We need to hire a sports psychologist.
Gerry Quinn
343 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:49:44
How long to go?
Ciarán McGlone
344 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:49:48
This is on Lampard and his bloody-minded bollocks of a defensive set-up.

None of them have a fucking clue what they're at in that daft fucking system and it just invites the opposition on.

Lampard is a coward.

David McMullen
346 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:50:31
Must admit the doubts are creeping in.

The club is (has been) run in such an amateurish way. On the pitch, we scream third-rate. Collectively.

I'll not be satisfied until the likes of Kenwright are out of this club.

Nick Page
347 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:50:54
Brentford are a proper team and a proper football club with astute management and a plan.

We've got fucking Bill Kenwright and his fucking cronies. What do you expect?

Lev Vellene
348 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:51:13
Fresh legs, Frank??? When will you ever learn...
Joe McMahon
349 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:51:23
Pekka, you will, but you won't see them win another league title.
Mike Gaynes
350 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:51:24
Don't you just love seeing guys who haven't posted all day coming on to say shit after the goal?
Rob Jones
351 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:51:25
Lampard out? REALLY?

Who comes in?

People on here need to grow up.

Anthony Flack
352 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:51:42
Lampard undoubtedly has a plan.

It's just a shit one.

Kieran Kinsella
353 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:52:01

"Must admit the doubts are creeping in" — don't go overboard, mate.

David McMullen
354 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:52:06
Disgraceful second half.
Dan Parker
355 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:52:25
I hear you, David, we've played well in the opening games and been unlucky but this second half we've been awful.
Gerry Quinn
356 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:53:16
Is it over yet?
Lee Jackson
358 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:54:09
Full Time: 1-1
Jamie Crowley
359 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:54:43
Okay. A point on the road while dodging more woodwork than I care to recall.
Tony Everan
360 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:54:54
2nd half was weak and we let Brentford build up their head of steam too easy. Couple of changes needed earlier to stop that?

We've got to be better and show more fight for it.

Geoff Lambert
361 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:55:02
Mike. I think a lot of posters have seen the goal coming for a long time mate.
Charles Brewer
362 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:55:14
A very fortunate point.
Graeme Beresford
363 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:55:32
I'm Lampard's biggest fan but he's starting to do my head in.

Yet again, we have hung on. We haven't created anything and we are playing 5 at the back all the time.

It's really, really, really poor and predictable. Doing my head in now.

Bill Gall
364 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:55:57
I don't care what other people think – that was a hard-earned, fighting, well-earned game.
Lester Yip
365 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:55:57
A bit disappointed of how the corner was being defended.

1 point away seems fair though, if not the posts save us a few times.

Charles Brewer
366 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:56:09
Geoff, hitting the woodwork repeatedly, as well as missing a host of easy sitters, was a bit of a hint that we were going to let one in.
Kevin Molloy
367 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:56:40
There is nobody in our team that can hurt the opposition with their passing. Nobody. And despite having five at the back and no attackers, we always look as though we can concede one.

Alvin Martin reckons Brentford could have had six today. Six! This is not good enough, Frank. I am sick of trying to hold on for a one-all draw like grim death against mediocre shite whilst other teams canter to victories.

We make everything look so fucking difficult.

Kieran Kinsella
368 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:56:44
Lucky point but sort of offsets the unlucky Chelsea loss. Things balance out.

Hopefully Maupay can hit the ground running and we can sort out our lot in the next 2 days before we play Leeds.

Robert Tressell
369 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:56:44
As with all the other games so far, a fit Calvert-Lewin would have made for a different game. Hopefully Maupay can make a difference.

What happens to Gordon now?

Lev Vellene
370 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:57:00
Well, can't say Brentford didn't deserve a point! But I despair at Frank Lampard's substitutions.

We have another game on Wednesday, so why not more substitutions? Most of our bench were defensive-minded anyway...

Iakovos Iasonidis
371 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:57:17
Back 5 working perfectly again! NOT!!!

I fucking hate this system!

David McMullen
372 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:57:47
What's your point Mike 350? What do you want me to say?

I saw the game, we were on top; second half, we sat back and were in desparate need of a lift. But that's my fault? I think not.

I think that's Lampard. I'm not having a go at Lampard but he needed to make changes and he didn't so we paid the price. End of.

Mike Gaynes
373 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:57:48
Yeah, Geoff, but a few weren't here posting the whole day until it happened, then logged on just to piss about it.
Lee Jackson
374 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:57:59
Not saying Maupay would have changed the result but when you have no striker and finally choose one, it's sheer negligence to sign him an hour or two after the cut-off for today's game.
Tony Hill
375 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:58:16
Poor in the end. That's why we are indeed in a relegation fight. We were fortunate. Disappointing yet again and there is simply no dressing it up.

We remain fundamentally weak. I didn't think we had any truly impressive performers today.

Mike Corcoran
377 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:58:43
Rondon closes down like a dad trying to spook his 3-year-old kid.
Alan J Thompson
378 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:59:05
What a piss poor second half!

Brentford came out playing the long ball and neither side seemed to have any creativity until Everton decided to sit back. If that's the best in-game management that Lampard has to offer, then he should go now.

His substitutions were all wrong. Onana should have stayed on and McNeil, who had done nothing, should have been taken off and rather than Keane, Coleman should have been on.

An awful display but seemed to be right in line with the manager's thinking!

David McMullen
379 Posted 27/08/2022 at 16:59:58
Well, we put Rondon on, so that's the desperation. We won't get diddly from him, sorry to say.
George Cumiskey
380 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:00:04
Shocking decision to bring Davies on for Onana.
Chad Schofield
381 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:00:55
Hmmm, draw just about fair. If we had have been playing any other team who finished in the top half last season, we would have lost – because they'd have had at least one penalty.

Stupidly late subs when you want to break up the game and have to protect a lead.

Chris Leyland
382 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:01:01
Surely at 1-0, and with them coming onto us repeatedly, the change was McNeil off for Davies and go 3 in midfield to try to regain control?
Jeff Armstrong
383 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:01:22
Don't give a fuck if Brentford deserved a point, that was a shit goal to give away and an ugly win opportunity missed.

3 points today would have been great at this time next week cos 3 points from these 3 games is the most we could expect, and most Toffees would be happy with that return.

Will Mabon
385 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:02:51
One of the most negative, weak-minded performances you'll see.

Sat back shitting themselves, hoping for a breakaway goal, trying to keep the mighty Brentford at bay. No power, no identity, no belief, no anything.

That second half was unacceptable, this five at the back crap, and we can barely defend anywhere forward of the box.

Very poor, looks essentially the same as most of the last 6 years. The loser culture remains intact.

Joe McMahon
386 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:03:07
We all knew, without strikers, August would be zero wins, but we can't keep clean sheets either. Now need West Ham and Wolves not to win tomorrow.
Bill Gall
387 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:03:11
Well, even if we would have won, the moaners would have still complained that we were lucky to win and didn't deserve it.

That is the problem with having so many experts on ToffeeWeb.

Michael Boardman
388 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:03:18
Didn't want Frank, still don't, but I would have taken a point today (against Brentford).

He seems to set up well, then fades – subs are reactive rather than proactive though, a problem we've had for years.

Not sure Brentford didn't have four instances of substitutions though, instead of the permitted three occasions?

From Thursday though, we shall see. Think changing again this season though is premier league suicide.

Marc Hints
389 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:04:18
If we can get the last transfers right, another striker and with Maupay, hopefully we will improve.

These next few days are big for Everton FC.

Charles Brewer
390 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:04:26
We seem to have adopted the "Alamo Defence System".

It involves starting out playing in half the field, then retreating to the penalty area for the second half, and finally being defeated.

Geoff Lambert
391 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:05:11
Bill #387,

Do you not think we were lucky to get a point??

Lampard at fault again.

Pat Kelly
392 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:05:44
2 points from possible 12 could well be 2 from 18 by next weekend.

Lampard is looking more and more clueless as time goes on. I seriously doubt his ability to manage a game.

Kieran Kinsella
393 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:05:47

We weren't defeated though.

Michael Lynch
394 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:05:59
Very lucky to come away with point overall. We really do look a poor side. The best I can come up with is that we scrap well and will pick up the odd win here and there with a bit of luck.

I did think Vinagre looked a lot better than Mykolenko, and Onana will be a force for us once he gets up to the pace of the Premier League.

Tom Bowers
395 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:06:21
Always going to be tough but obviously the poor finishing is the big problem which stopped us from winning.

Lampard's substitutions were puzzling.

Some really poor defending when faced with the high press by other teams.

Chris James
396 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:06:57
I actually think this was a decent point against a good side that put 4 past Man Utd (who then went on to beat our neighbours). We rode our luck, but actually had a decent number of chances and could easily have scored 2 or 3 with a better cutting edge (again).

Will be interesting how we play with an actual striker on Tuesday, I think we've a half-decent team once that's sorted.

nb: If this was Gordon's farewell performance, he put in one hell of a shift!

Charles Brewer
397 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:07:36
Bill, they hit the woodwork three or four times, missed a large number of sitters, and were denied what I though was a straightforward penalty.

We got one well-taken goal, and everything else was well saved by their goalie.

We might well have won it, but a result based on anything but unbelievably bad finishing by Brentford would have seen them out of sight.

Phillip Warrington
398 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:08:11
We were lucky – it could have easily been a 4-1 defeat, they missed some sitters and hit the post 3 times.
Michael Lynch
399 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:08:34
Oh, and I think Chelsea will be back with that fabled £60M offer for Gordon this week.
Kim Vivian
400 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:09:28
Not read through all the comments but can't really grumble about a point gained.

We had our chances and would have been nice to hold on but Brentford will rue hitting the woodwork 4 times. Lady Luck was with us for a change.

Couple of good incomings this week and I will be feeling a bit better.

Jeff Armstrong
401 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:09:36
Unbeaten in 3 games...
Tony Hill
402 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:09:45
Quite right, Will @385. It's just not acceptable, and it is not moaning to criticise such a witless, cowardly effort.

It is what Everton do routinely, so we should not be surprised.

Jim Bennings
403 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:10:21
I can't honestly see where that first win is coming from.

It won't be from the next three; by the end of September, this club will be rock bottom.

Can't score goals, can't defend under any kind of pressure even with three big grocks in defence.

Mykolenko needs dropping for Vinagre, as he simply offers zilcho going forward and doesn't stop crosses.

Patterson can't defend either.

Pretty much the relegation battle that we all expect is already starting to emerge loud and clear.

Maupay is gonna have to be something special to offer some kind of dynamic to this side.

I'm waiting until Wednesday anyway to "judge Moshiri after the window closes".

I'm not expecting much.

Will Mabon
404 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:10:25

If you want to defend that display to the point of criticizing others that don't like seeing negative crap, then fair enough. I don't know what you personally would call poor football, but I wouldn't want to watch it.

The loss of that goal to Brentford was on the cards for the whole second half, and we just carried on exactly the same for 45 minutes just waiting for it to happen. It was dire.

Tony Everan
405 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:11:53
The back 5 wingback system isn't working, yet again... it never works!

How long will they stick with it? We lose too much in midfield every time, end up on the back foot and create little. Especially via the wingback route - which is why we are playing this god damned system!

The next big hope is going to be the new midfielder bought will sort it all out.

John Keating
406 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:12:39
This is gonna be another long torturous season with many behind-the-couch games.

Only hope we have is not to get it to the last game of the season for survival.

George Cumiskey
407 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:12:55
Terrible decision to bring on the second slowest player at the club after McNeil, for one of the tallest!
Michael Lynch
408 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:13:05
Jim @403

I'd like to see Coleman for Patterson and Vinagre for Mykolenko against Liverpool.

Stuart Sharp
409 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:13:41
Charles 397,

I agree overall, but it wasn't a penalty because the ball hits his knee or thigh first.

Very happy with a point given our current squad. Trying to remain patient.

Jim Bennings
410 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:13:44
What the hell is happening with the Gana move?

Are we going back in for Brereton Diaz so we don't have to keep pulling Rondon out whilst waiting for the fella who's spent 12 months injured?

Four days will tell us much, stay with this squad and I think it's us, Bournemouth and one other for relegation this season.

Steve Brown
411 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:13:58
Rode our luck but a decent point.

Lampard didn't get his substitutes right – Davies should have come on as an extra midfielder, not to replace Onana, and Rondon should have come on earlier.

As for some of the histrionic comments on here? Go and have a lie down.

David Hallwood
412 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:14:01
I know he's only 4 games into his Everton career, but Dwight McNeil has got a Niclas Alexandersson vibe about him, plus I've never seen such a one-footed player.
John Kavanagh
413 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:14:38
I'm happy with a point and hopefully we'll pick up another at Leeds.

That, surely, was Rondon's last appearance. But then again, I made the mistake of thinking that last season.

McNeil is admittedly beginning to worry me, but I'll give him him another 10 games or so to prove he's not yet more deadwood.

We only really create a persistent threat with four at the back and an extra man in midfield.

Jay Harris
414 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:14:57
Agree with those posters complaining about a back 5. It does not make us more secure, it invites teams onto us and keeps us pinned back.

Because of that, we have no one in midfield and so Picckford launches long balls to our 3 front players that can't head a ball between them.

I can't see Maupay making a difference to that either.
We play nice football but sit back far too much because of this negative system.

Pete Clarke
415 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:15:12
Apart from our goal and some tenacious play by Onana, I thought we were pretty average, especially Patterson.

Pickford also looked like his old erratic self and needs to calm down. We also seem to be giving the opposition way too much space because we drop deep.

Early days with a new team but Frank has a few things to sort out before our next game as it is quickly getting worrying without a win so far.

Maupay should make a huge difference to this team to give us balance and a target – looking forward to seeing him.

Brian Murray
416 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:15:19
Tony. It's nothing Gana won't sort. If we get him, I'm sure it will release Onana to do what he's good at as well.

Gutted winning for so long... but it probably flattered us.

Geoff Lambert
417 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:15:28
Thats what I like about ToffeeWeb – all opinions count; we might not agree on them but what a sad world it would be if we did.

Keep them coming, boys n girls. Leeds up next. Got no chance of a point there or on Saturday. Just my opinion though. COYB...

Marc Hints
418 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:16:06
If we can the transfers right, hopefully Maupay will give us something different. Another big striker so we can change the way we play sometimes.

Lampard needs help in his game management.

He needs to drop this 5 at the back and get back to a back 4.

This next few days is massive now for Everton FC.

They have got to get the transfers right and done. The bench was awful.

Jim Bennings
419 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:16:24
I'll bet any money that Lampard starts with that same attack again on Tuesday.

Maupay simply has to start, no matter what.

We created fuck-all again there today.

Jeff Armstrong
420 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:18:50
There was a passage of play in the second half when I think Onana was looking to pass out wide to the left, our “attacking “ wingback Mykolenko was nowhere to be seen even though there was acres of space...

He was too busy staying back waiting to defend the next Brentford attack, not what the wingback role is supposed to be when in possession.

Ray Roche
421 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:20:00
Post 414
‘Can't see Maupay making a difference to that either.'

Post 415
‘Maupay should make a huge difference.'

ToffeeWeb, eh?

George Stuart
422 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:20:58
Hmmm... I predicted 7 points in August and none in September. Shit!

Again, this one's on Frank. 10-man defence plus goalie. Against this Brentford? Our front man hovering between the centre circle and the penalty circle.

A Moyes team playing this kind of shit had me shitting myself.
Frank hasn't the nouse nor the players to do it. Brentford looked vulnerable when our ball players moved forward, when we put a high field press on them.

This is not going to cut it I'm afraid. Exceptionally worried. We're losing points to indifferent teams.

Jerome Shields
423 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:22:04
Too late bringing Rondon and Davies on to change the shape and keeping Brentford's defence from pushing up, supporting their midfield and attacking play.

Everton forced deep, under pressure as a result. Cracking under pressure from a corner.

Anthony Murphy
424 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:22:34
Back five could work with wing backs, but Mykolenko isn't one. I'm not sure as to why he prefers it – didn't Thelwell write a book on it or something?
Christy Ring
425 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:23:05
Eddie Dunn #324/333

Your only post at 16:45, after they score, dreadful display, and Lampard out, pathetic.

Mike Gaynes is spot on, some people wait until we concede, before they make a comment.

Disappointed to concede so late, but would have taken a point from the off, considering they're last home game was 4-0 against Man Utd.

Ray Roche
426 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:23:47
Charles @397,

‘Straightforward penalty'

Ridiculous statement.

Tony Hill
427 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:25:16
Ah yes, "histrionic" – the voices of reason are asserting themselves. Because we're looking promising, and with more to come, after all.

2 points out of 12. Calm down.

George Cumiskey
428 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:27:40
Ray Roche, can't see Maupay making much difference it they stick to a back 5,
Robert Tressell
429 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:29:14
Anthony #424,

The back 5 thing is frustrating. Now that we have signed a striker, Frank's biggest challenges are making a back 5 work and making zonal defending work at set-pieces.

Neither look right.

It could be his undoing.

Kunal Desai
430 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:29:23
Expected zero points but under the circumstances with five minutes to go really need to see the game out and take a crucial 3 points.

Next three games will be grim.

Soren Moyer
431 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:29:30
Champions League. Here we come!

Sorry. Typo there. Championship rather!

George Cumiskey
432 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:29:37
And how many chances will Tom Davies get to prove he's not a Premier League player?
Andy Peers
433 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:29:41
Not good subs. I thought that – as soon as Keane came on – we will probably concede from a set-piece for the first time this season. I cannot blame him directley but somehow it happened.

I would have put Warrington on instead of Davies. I can see improvement but there are mistakes that Frank keeps making that can be avoided.

Nick Page
434 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:29:42
Thelwell wrote a book called Coaching the European 3-5-2. Which is pointless at Everton as we don't have a -2.

Kenwright Out!

Rich Howlin
435 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:31:07
After the 80th minute, Everton looked tired (fitness?). It was pretty obvious to me that Brentford would score.

Why didn't Frank stop the momentum and bring in some fresh blood? Everton began looking increasingly disorganized.

Instead, he makes a bloody substitution after they get their equalizer.

Charles Brewer
436 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:32:08

The ball hit Iwobi's leg (thigh?) and shot upwards where it hit his hand which was in the air just above his head. It was probably unintentional, but Iwobi certainly controlled the ball and benefitted.

His hand was in a very odd location ("unnatural") and if it had been done by a Brentford player, I'd be claiming a "stonewall" or "nailed-on" penalty (I don't understand those terms, but they seem to be the usual terms in football).

Suggesting it was a penalty certainly wasn't "ridiculous". It was marginal either way at best.

Lev Vellene
437 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:33:09
Michael #388,

I think we can have 5 substitutions now? Which is why it's so mind-boggling that we (again) failed to put fresh legs on early enough to make any difference.

And it's only four days until the next game, when we'll probably field a side containing very much the same starting players...

I'm almost starting to wonder if Frank remembers himself to be so tireless that he never needed any rest between games at all... ;P

Tom Bowers
438 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:33:12
It was a decent performance until 6 minutes to go and I was impressed with a lot of forward moves which would have produced the three points with a decent finisher.

Is Haaland for sale?

As usual we paid the price late on.

Alan J Thompson
439 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:33:48
Why are people complaining about 5 at the back not working?

What do you expect playing over-lapping full-backs (wingbacks) and three wingers, who the hell are they supposed to be supplying?

It doesn't seem to be a difficult question.

Marc Hints
440 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:34:40
I must say, on the stream I was watching the game today, the Everton fans just did not stop singing the whole game. What support.
Jeff Armstrong
441 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:36:50
Andy #433, pretty much nailed Lampard there, why not Warrington instead of Davies?

Why not McNeil off instead of Onana?

Franks subs have zero imagination.

He is entirely predictable.

George Cumiskey
442 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:37:09
People are complaining about 5 at the back because we get overrun in midfield every game.
Jerome Shields
443 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:38:54
Jim #419

Bets are off. The starting formation will be the same, that is what is practised on the training ground, week-in and week-out. Frank wants to play through the opposition defence rather than apply the high press.

He does not see the value of having a centre-forward to keep shape by leading the line to prevent the opposition defensive line from pushing up to support their midfield and attack either.

Frank's second-half substitutions, both in timing and in the case of some personnel, made no sense to me at all.

Ray Jacques
444 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:40:04
We will be bottom this time next week. Manager's game management is abysmal, but then again so are most of the players unfortunately.

On a positive, that was an unexpected point today.

Why didn't they sign Maupay before noon yesterday so he was available today? Oh, I forgot – it's Everton and we are run by cretins.

Sam Hoare
445 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:40:27
A tight game against a decent team where a draw was probably a fair result. I'd nearly always take a point away from home in the Premier League. Not beating Forest was more disappointing and more damaging.

Clearly there are issues. The full-backs are not quite working and obviously game management can improve. I think that's the 3rd time we've conceded in the last 15 minutes in 4 games. Need to be more resilient.

There do seem a few positive things brewing but I worry they will ferment too slowly. Let's see what players we have by next weekend. Maupay will help (a bit) but he's not gonna fix the whole thing.

Kieran Kinsella
446 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:42:31

"Shocking decision to bring Davies on for Onana."

When the exact opposite happened last week, people were saying that was also a shocking decision. It seems like Frank is damned either way.

Oliver Molloy
447 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:44:33
There was a Brentford fan on here the other day and I'm sure he is disappointed with a point – that says it all.

We could all see the goal coming, the defending was fucking awful, thank fuck Brentford had an off day!

McNeil cost £20 million, he ain't worth it!

Positive was Gordon's goal which might add another few million if he goes, which I don't think will happen.

Michael Connelly
448 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:46:02
Plenty of moaning about playing 3 or 5 at the back, but I didn't see any comments stating that we haven't got the personnel to play 4 at the back, which we don't.

Only real pace in the position comes from Godfrey who is out of commission and is too weak in the position to play in a 2.

Lampard would prefer to play a 4, but can't with the squad he has. Doesn't mean to say that Tarkowski and Coady weren't good business.

George Cumiskey
449 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:46:26
Kieran, he took off one of our tallest players and brought on our slowest, that's why Frank could be damned.
Alan J Thompson
450 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:49:41
George (#442);

We don't have a midfield and, even if we did, they can only pass to the three wingers.

The whole thing needs rethinking, wingbacks and at most one winger and the desperately needed strikers.

Do we have anyone in midfield who can create and chip in with a goal now and then because I've not seen him but I have seen more long ball than quality football.

Ray Roche
451 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:51:57
George @428,

Whether he makes a difference or not, I was merely pointing out the contrary opinions in consecutive posts. Typical ToffeeWeb!


The ball was much too close to be considered handball when it travelled inches from his thigh to his arm.

Christy Ring
453 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:00:37
I hope Lampard can bring in Gueye, Garner and hopefully one more attacker before the window closes.

I believe he will have a stronger midfield and can change the system and play four at the back and three in midfield, and make us more offensive with Calvert-Lewin and maybe Maupay upfront.

Mykolenko is a lot more effective in a back four, in my opinion.

Ray Jacques
454 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:00:38
What's the betting we sell Gordon on deadline day and its too late to get anyone in?
Martin Mason
455 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:03:05
Given everything that is going on at the moment, a point away at Brentford was a very reasonable result.

Sorry, everybody was shit, Lampard out, Board out, negative rubbish, relegation battle, etc.

Barry Rathbone
456 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:03:48
Most games I expect us to get hammered because we don't employ footballers capable of basic ball control and have the mentality of crying little girls looking for mommy.

So a draw is quite good in a bottom-of-the-league fighting relegation sorta way.

Let's get that 4th from bottom spot consolidated

Nick White
457 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:05:08
I didn't get to see any of the game or hear any commentary so won't comment on performance (we were introducing our new daughter to family).

But, on the face of it, a draw away at in-form Brentford seems a decent result with no striker. I'll watch the highlights later and read the comments in the meantime.

Andy Walker
458 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:06:35
Decent result, but we were very lucky, they hit the woodwork 3 times and missed a sitter too. 38 points to go, not sure where they'll come from though.

I predicted at the start of the season we'd have 3 points by mid-Sepember, prove me wrong Everton.

Gordon playing like he's realised he's a £50M player. He was excellent. Everyone else, bar Pickford, was poor. As long as Davies is able to get in the squad, we know we are nowhere near good enough.

Kieran Kinsella
459 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:10:38
We are a point up on the 94-95 season at this stage when we'd also played Forest and Villa.

Danny O'Neill might see that as a good omen for the FA Cup?

Jay Harris
460 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:11:35

They weren't contrasting views.

My point was long balls kicked up the pitch by Pickford will have the same effect with Maupay there, ie. give the ball to the opposition.I did not say he wouldn't make a difference to our effectiveness up front.

I was complaining about the negativity of 5 at the back and launching long balls to McNeil, Gordon and Gray.

Alan J Thompson
462 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:21:42
Wow, Davies comes on for the last 15 minutes at most and the usual knockers are on his back regardless of how he plays.

One says he isn't tall enough and another that he isn't quick enough... I wonder what you make of McNeil?

It seems a lot have the violin but only know the one tune.

Jeff Armstrong
463 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:22:27
Some right melts on here, you can tell they didn't even bother watching the game, yet feel the need to comment.

Do us a favour: watch the game (not MotD), come back, and then add some educated comment.

Ooooh, a point at Brentford, good point.

Bog off.

Ian Edwards
464 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:23:13
Michael @448.

Lampard has 2 right backs, 2 left backs and 4 central defenders so he can play 4 at the back very easily.

He chooses not to because Clement is a negative tactical poison at every club he has been at.

Martin Mason
465 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:28:27
Jeff @463,

Great game, pity to spoil it by reading some of the comments.

We need some new supporters — not a new board.

Jeff Armstrong
466 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:28:44
Ian 446,

I agree, every player at most clubs has been brought up on playing a back 4, it's a back 5 that confuses them.

Kieran Kinsella
467 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:30:39

"We need some new supporters – not a new board."

What a ridiculous remark.

Joe McMahon
468 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:30:58
Does anyone else think that Erling Haaland is going to score more goals this season than Everton do, full stop?

Wouldn't it be nice to prioritise goals and playmakers just for a (one-off) season.

Peter Wilson
469 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:31:41
Do we need to think about dropping our keeper?

Punches out rather than catching, seems to be very highly strung in games which does not help our backs.

Maybe a bigger keeper would command his area better and sort out our corners.

Jeff Armstrong
470 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:31:57
Martin is the master of ridiculous comments, to be fair
Danny Baily
471 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:33:36
If I was playing as Brentford on FIFA, I'd have smashed the controller to bits. We were very lucky to get a point.

The players are better than that circus at the back today. That's on the manager and the way he has us set up.

Soren Moyer
472 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:56:17
Some people are drawing comparison between this game and Brentford v Man Utd game and conclude that, because we got a draw, then it's a great result!

It's bloody Brentford, not Arsenal! Man Utd were crap on the day and Brentford were fired up! What about comparing their win against shite or their win today at the south coast!!? Is it something we can pull off with the way we are playing? Not a chance in hell!

We were lucky today to get away with a point. That's all. Please watch the whole of the second half again and tell me honestly that, based on that, we are good enough to get to the 40 points mark this season.

It's so frustrating that some are trying to give it a positive spin. No wonder we are where we are!!!

Colin Glassar
473 Posted 27/08/2022 at 18:58:18
Didn't watch the game so can't comment.

I've said all summer we are a 12th to 14th club. Once we get another striker and some legs in midfield, we will be okay-ish.

Ian Hollingworth
474 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:00:53
5 at the back the way we play is very negative and means we are always up against it.

We should change it up depending on who we are playing.
Tarkowski and Coady should be solid enough and allow extra player in midfield.

We are Everton, for fuck's sake!

Brent Stephens
475 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:05:34
Martin #465

“We need some new supporters not a new board.”

ToffeeWeb, stop tittering at the back of the class.
And you lot in the middle. And at the front.

No, I'm not tittering, Kenrick Minor. It's indigestion. Really!

David West
476 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:07:04
I thought the defence was shaky all game. When Holgate went off, it got even worse.

I know a point at Brentford shouldn't be considered a good result but could easily have been 3-1 or 4-1 the hit the woodwork 3 times or was it 4???

I still think our personnel would suit 4 at the back. Now we have Onana, he can sit, the wingers can play on the wing, full-backs can defend or overlap when going forward.

There were times today when McNeil was our striker and looks like he's not enjoying it. Though he did have a decent first half.

We could do away with Holgate, play 4-1-4-1. Square pegs in square holes.

Jeff Armstrong
477 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:07:05
Colin 473,

“Didn't watch the game.”

You often say that.

Robert Williams
478 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:07:34
MG 373 says —'Yeah, Geoff, but a few weren't here posting the whole day until it happened, then logged on just to piss about it.'

Yeah, Mike? Unlike you sunshine who thinks that he has got to be here and on every Forum and has a 'yes man' remark about every fucking thing – while 'a few who were not posting the whole day until it happened (?)" were quietly taking in all the bullshit that is thrown up 'by those that were here all day posting'.

Meanwhile, back in deepest Louisianna...

Colin Glassar
479 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:07:50
It's true, Jeff. I often work weekends.
Danny Baily
480 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:10:49
Colin 473,

I wish I shared your optimism! This is dire stuff. And McNeil looks like someone we'll have trouble offloading.

Kieran Kinsella
481 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:11:47

That's no excuse. I am at work and managed to comment based upon reading the informed and entirely cohesive comments from everyone on here.

David West
482 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:19:09
Danny 480,

I'm still waiting to see him play as an out-and-out winger mate. That's where he played for Burnley, that's what we bought him for, didn't we?

Started the game well. Looked lost second half, but it's not his game. He's a "dribble, beat a man, and get a cross in" guy. I hope he's just settling and we see more from him.

He will be the one who loses out if Maupay starts against Leeds, unless we go to 4 at the back, which I hope we do because Keane is a liability.

Colin Glassar
483 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:20:11

I'll judge Lampard, and the team, in a few months time once he has his squad together. If we can get Gana back, then a midfield trio of Gueye, Iwobi (can't believe I'm writing that) and Onana will be strong to beat.

I'm in awe of you, Kieran. 😉

Ian Hollingworth
484 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:20:33
Colin @479,

Lucky you, any jobs going? lol

Martin Mason
485 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:26:02

Supporter -– a person who gives encouragement and approval to someone or something:

Not applicable to a minority of people on TW who slag the team and club however they do. These people are fans not supporters and are not needed by the club. Not only not needed but a millstone around the neck of the club.

Pete Hughes
486 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:27:30
Post 465,

"Need some new supporters" not a new board"

Always suspected you are a club plant, you've just strengthened my suspicion!!

Ciarán McGlone
487 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:28:17
Give it a rest, Martin, you bore.
Ciarán McGlone
488 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:30:36
"Gueye, Iwobi (can't believe I'm writing that) and Onana"

That would mean dropping this insane 5-man back line, Colin. There's no evidence that's happening any time soon.

Grant Rorrison
489 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:31:33
Bit early for all the doom and gloom.

We are at the beginning of another major overhaul and only 4 games into the new season. We've been involved in every game and are edging nearer to winning games.

If we're in the Bottom 3 halfway through the season, then I'll be more worried. Some people would advocate changing managers every other week, it's ridiculous.

Brian Wilkinson
490 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:32:59
Got out of jail with that one.

For once, Lady Luck smiled on us on a few occasions.

Got be happy with a point.

Jay Harris
491 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:34:43

The millstone around the neck of this club is not on this forum.

If you are happy with the team selection, tactics and game management today, I am pleased for you but please don't tell fellow Evertonians they are a millstone around the neck of the club because they have a different opinion to you.

Andy Finigan
492 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:35:48
The annoying part is, although we could've been battered, we started really well and Gray has to convert Onana's superb through-ball to make it 2-0.
Tony Hill
493 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:37:07
I think it's quite a simple task. Have a look at the sides around us (up, say, 6 places and those below) and, hand on heart, ask yourself whether we are likely to be better than them over the course of a season.

I suggest that the answer is a very scary one, and very clarifying.

David West
494 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:39:59

I do believe Frank's favourite formation would be 4-3-3. I just don't think he's had the midfield to play it. He got burnt trying it when he first arrived and we took a few beatings. But I think now's the time for change.

If Holgate is injured and Maupay can play, let's have a go.
I'd rather us get beat trying to win the match than trying to keep it nil-nil and nick one, when inevitably we lose or draw anyway.

I back Frank, I just think he has to try something else now. I don't think he would get much stick for trying. Oh, he gets stick anyway, so nothing to lose.

Mark Ryan
495 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:43:32
David West, spot on.

He will revert to a back 3 when he has the right players. You are spot on.

Martin Mason
496 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:43:55

Did I say that I was happy with any aspects of today's game? Did I say that it was this forum that was the problem? No, I said a minority on this forum were a problem.

If I had to differentiate, it is between fans and supporters. Fans scream when they don't get the success they demand and believe is theirs by right; supporters get behind the club and support them in achieving that success together.

I'm a supporter, you have to decide where you are on the spectrum.

Kieran Kinsella
497 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:46:08

I agree. I don't think he's entrenched in a back five. I think it's pragmatic based on what he has seen this team do. Better players should free us up a bit.

David West
498 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:54:49
It is back 3 now when we have the ball. When we don't, it's 5 at the back. The problem this is causing is our best 2 offensive players, Gray & Gordon are better wider than Central. It's negating their impact.

Defences know they only have to stop wingbacks and we have no width. There's no partnerships down the flanks.
4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1 would give the opposition more to think about, give Gray & Gordon more space and a chance for the fullbacks to overlap.

Our strength is the width we could have. We have 2 energetic young fullbacks willing to get forward, 2 really good wide men (3 if McNeil comes good). Let's play to their strengths, especially when we have Maupay or Calvert-Lewinin there.

It's just my opinion, I'm sure others have their own

Lev Vellene
499 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:54:55
Squandered, yes, as we all felt it might come the wrong way at any point in the last half!

Still, we allowed them too many attempts at our goal!

With some lucky blah-blah, we might have secured more than a point And with a little bit of luck, they would not have scored at all...

Hmm, we got a point! Hopefully well get more to fill positions we'll need filled before the transfer window smashes down...

Derek Taylor
500 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:56:33
Watched the game on a gizmo that had more buffers than the Great Western Railway!

What I did see of it was two teams equally matched with both of them clueless up front. Brentford you would expect to see near the bottom of the Premier League but for Everton just not acceptable.

Increasingly worried about Frank who may have a playing record to match the best but in managerial skills (selection, set-up, substitutions) could learn a lot from Mike Walker!

What should we do about it? Nothing. Kenwright will be told to do the dirty work if we are anywhere near the drop zone at Christmas.

Brian Murray
501 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:56:37
At the final whistle, it looked like Rondon, McNeil and Keane were waving a final goodbye. Hope springs…
Ciarán McGlone
502 Posted 27/08/2022 at 19:57:47

I hope you're right. I fear I am though.

David West
503 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:00:04
By the way, live sportsTV. app on Android to watch the games, if anyone's interested. Always decent.
Christy Ring
504 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:00:30
We're all Evertonians, and everyone on ToffeeWeb is entitled to their opinions, but for me, I find it difficult to read the same negativity all the time from certain individuals, again today after drawing with Brentford.

Not a word or comment when we were 1-up, also the comments that we'd get zero points from today, and now expecting no points from our next 2 games, so much for optimism.

Brian Murray
505 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:03:48
Christy. It would be so Everton to get 6 points from the next two games. Okay that sounds outrageous, just a point at Leeds.
Marc Hints
506 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:05:56
What app is that, David?
Martin Mason
507 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:08:15
Christy @504,

Everybody has a right to raise an opinion but they have a responsibility to not post nonsense as many do.

Tony Abrahams
508 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:20:12
I never watched us play today, although looking at the highlights, our goal came from a very similar run to the one that got us our goal against Forest.

I think we have still got a few square pegs, one being Mykolenko, playing as a wingback, another is playing without a centre-forward, and I would also prefer to see us change from playing three central defenders and two central midfielders, to the other way around.

I think McNeil would be better playing in front of a fullback, and although he might be better floating, I also think Gordon, or Gray, would also be better suited to playing with a fullback behind them.

I'm hoping Gueye, or Billy Gilmore, will come in this week to shore up our midfield and allow us to play with three in there,. I'm not sure if Coady can play in a back four, although I'm certain this is the system that will get the most out of Tarkowski?

I didn't even realize we had Liverpool next week, but maybe it's because this summer has sucked the Evertonian life out of me. I think we have got a big few days coming up now, it'll be intriguing to see what happens next.

For all his faults, Lampard obviously doesn't want to work with quite a few of this squad, and still needs some more and better players to work with.

Kevin Molloy
509 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:20:43
The main takeaway from today's game is we must not sell Gordon. Not this season. He's too important.

The last thing we need to do is replace the tiny little glimmer of quality we have with three or four bums for £10-15 million. We're already loaded up with deadbeats, we don't need any more.

Paul Jones
510 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:22:42
The woodwork was our best defender today. Not being able to defend set-pieces with three centre-backs is a big concern.

Anthony Gordon, for a man who is probably going to have big money move, was committed and you could see why he is attracting interest. Before today, I thought he was another of our vastly over-rated prospects like Sterling who does not always seem to be able to strike the ball cleanly and hard.

I hope Maupay turns out to be like the horrible nuisance that played against us and does not prove to be like David Speedie when he moved to Liverpool and leave those attributes admired most at his former club.

David West
511 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:24:35
Livesports tv. It's not on Google Play Store. you have to search it on Google.
John Raftery
514 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:30:58
Today's game was a marked contrast to last November's ignominious defeat to a very poor Brentford team. They have improved. So have we. I came away today reflecting on the improved attacking display in the opening half hour and in the main a solid defensive display thereafter.

If the manager had had more effective options available on the bench to freshen up the attack after an hour or so this was a game we might well have won. Faced with little attacking threat to worry them Brentford could afford to push men high up the field thereby increasing the pressure on the back line in the latter stages of the game.

Notwithstanding the paucity of options available to him, I felt Frank might have used his substitutes earlier. McNeil ought to have been withdrawn for Davies halfway through the second half. An extra pair of legs to share the workload in midfield perhaps would have helped Onana and Iwobi gain control when possession was constantly being lost from long clearances up to fatigued and outmuscled front players.

With eight of the squad having joined since January we are in a period of transition with younger players requiring time to settle in and a manager still embedding his preferred system. Two draws and two defeats is not a great start but I think results will improve in the coming weeks.

Chris Jenkins
515 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:31:06
Martin @485, 496 & 507,

Your comments are an extremely objective assessment of the minority to which you refer.

The club is in an extremely precarious situation and surely encouragement of the playing squad and management is a prerequisite if another relegation battle is to be avoided

Ciarán McGlone
517 Posted 27/08/2022 at 20:35:41
Objective, my arse

"everybody's entitled to their opinion. but if it doesn't accord with mine I'll whinge about it endlessly and accompany said whinging with my one-eyed definition of a supporter"

That's all he ever bloody well posts. Change the bloody record.

Billy Bradshaw
520 Posted 27/08/2022 at 21:30:45
Comments on ToffeeWeb coming in slow tonight, probably all feel like I do, as the song goes, I've got an emptiness deep inside.
Jerome Shields
521 Posted 27/08/2022 at 21:36:46
It is not zonal marking at corners is the problem. It is poor marking, poor defending and awareness by Everton players that is the problem. Lapses in concentration and focus don't help either.
Bill Gall
522 Posted 27/08/2022 at 21:58:08
What I noticed today was the display from Onana and what we should get from him when he is fully fit and up to speed with the Premier League. The thing he does is what good players do and that is he makes it look easy.

If Everton had hit the woodwork as often as Brentford did, I would be unhappy, but as it was them, I will say it was poor shooting, if you miss an opening 3 m wide and 2 m high.

I don't know when the last time was we had a goal scored from a corner but I still don't understand why a player is not on the post.

It's disappointing losing today but we have a new center-back pairing and defensive formation that will take a while to gel, if this is the formation that the manager wants.

It will be interesting to see what happens before the end of the season, but I still believe that Gordon will stay, they will improve the midfield defensively, and bring in a backup striker that can operate on the wing, similar to Richarlison.

Another hard one on Tuesday.

Jay Harris
523 Posted 27/08/2022 at 22:04:34
I have “supported” the blues for over 60 years and would sooner slash my wrists than be a kopite.

I do however reserve the right to comment on an Everton performance including team selection and tactics without being rubbished by fellow supporters.

Like many others, I am disgusted that a club like Everton finds itself in this position and Frank Lampard has my backing but, if I disagree with his team selection and/or tactics, I will say so – just as I would say it to his face.

It is more disgraceful for fellow supporters to call the likes of me non-supporters or kopites just for posting a view that does not fit their agenda.

Peter Neilson
524 Posted 27/08/2022 at 22:06:49
John (514) agree re. the subs it was obvious from where we were that both McNeil and Gray were done.

Too late with the subs and far too long actually making them. NASA give their astronauts less instructions.

Tony Hill
525 Posted 27/08/2022 at 22:09:48
Superb, Jay Harris @523.
Jerome Shields
527 Posted 27/08/2022 at 22:14:46
After seeing the game today, I really don't feel like watching MotD. Last match as usual last week.

First half was okay. I don't like Pickford's long ball kick-outs. It seems to me an attempt to shore up a weak press. Even with a centre-forward, I doubt it would work.

Tactically, most of the second half was crying out for change. What was the point of the late substitutions?

The five at the back is a result of the backline being pushed back as there is no attempt to change tactics to relieve pressure on the forwards and midfield.

Andy Meighan
528 Posted 27/08/2022 at 22:16:16
Felt like a defeat. Went sick when they equalised and was convinced we'd see it through. Everton that.
Jerome Shields
529 Posted 27/08/2022 at 22:28:47
Jay #523,

Totally agree.

Tony Everan
530 Posted 27/08/2022 at 22:53:50
100% the subs were too late. Brentford were on the ascendancy, building up a head of steam and we couldn't deal with it.

There should have been some changes to help us cope with that, fresh legs, a slight change in formation to get some more control of midfield. We may still have conceded, who knows, but being a bit more proactive could've bagged us a win.

Even though it feels like a defeat, we can't get too down about it. There were some positives at times in the first half and Onana's run and superb pass in the second would have been dispatched by a natural striker.

Look how Haaland took his third goal, never in doubt from a similar but tougher position. That's the difference of not having a quality goalscorer. You forfeit points.

With the new signings that must be brought in, we will gradually improve.

Brian Murray
531 Posted 27/08/2022 at 22:59:56
Maybe making a substitution tactically is one of the most hardest jobs because Lampard (as was Benitez) is very weak at it, and probably most before them.

It may get more messy in the coming weeks and I'm sure most fans will hold their nerve at the games, if not on here. Not sureMoshiri will though. We really need Maupay to hit the ground running and whoever else we get.

Lev Vellene
533 Posted 27/08/2022 at 23:37:46
I just wish Frank could bloody well make some substitutions at around the 60-minute mark!

No matter if he doesn't have the right guys, but fresh legs are fresh legs! That's how Brentford outplayed us, in the end.

Danny Baily
534 Posted 27/08/2022 at 23:48:26
We can add goals but, if we don't improve defensively, it won't make much of a difference to results.

Frank talking about holding out post-match, what game was he watching? We were a shambles at the back.

Pete Clarke
535 Posted 28/08/2022 at 02:18:55
Definitely going to take a while for these players to gel but I have to say we were all over the place as a defense yesterday and could easily have conceded 4 due to pure amateur type play.

We had Patterson trying to let the ball go over his head as a dummy, Coady trying to dribble it out, and Pickford punching the ball when it looked easier to hold it. Got to be better than that.

McNeil has nice control and can turn a player to create space but seems to lack that final decision-making. Hopefully he improves that aspect of his game; otherwise, he'll be warming the bench.

Worst part of our display was the way we retreated and gave so much space to Barcelona, er, I mean Brentford. We allowed them to dominate us in the second half and that has to change against teams like that or we'll end up with 10 points at Christmas, if we are lucky.

Positives were Onana and Gordon and, with a bit more composure, I would have put Gray in there.

Tough game at Leeds but it's one that is in the winnable column.

Kieran Kinsella
536 Posted 28/08/2022 at 02:23:13

Paterson was at fault against Forest too. Pickford seems in a manic spell.

Tarkowski seems to have struggled since Coady came. Maybe too many chiefs? Or being on the left?

Hopefully those two can forge a better partnership and Coleman can come back until Patterson gets up to speed.

The prior games, the defense was better than last season but today seemed to fall apart

Colin Malone
537 Posted 28/08/2022 at 02:30:36
Frank, fuck off. You haven't got a fucking clue.

I watched a game of football, in which the opposition had so many chances, ie hitting the bar and post, possession and big Frank didn't know what to do.

His only way was the Chelsea way.

I've heard enough bullshit. Fuck off, Lampard.

Pete Clarke
538 Posted 28/08/2022 at 03:19:57

I get your frustration because we've been tortured for two decades now.

In defense of Frank Lampard, he is still learning how to be a manager and this is a tough gig. He is also severely hamstrung by the people who run the club and it's they who need to fuck off to give us all a break and a clean start.

We really need to be patient with this new management team but it's not going to be easy. Yesterday was poor against very beatable opposition, yet we look short in midfield because we have new players in and our old ones are not good enough.

Not playing with a striker is negligent but, in between all of that, it's the owner and board who have left the new manager with just enough money to go scraping around looking for what quality is left out there with the few pennies they can give him. Any manager would struggle at this dysfunctional club.

I am hopeful he can turn us around on the pitch and as a club but working with Kenwright in your ear can't be easy.

Mike Connolly
539 Posted 28/08/2022 at 03:59:54
I really thought Frank was concentrating on the defensive side, especially with not signing any forwards. But after today, the defending was getting back to last season.

Only for the post and worse finishing than us, we sneaked a point. Early days but Frank seems to be tactically following in the footsteps of our previous managers. And we all know where that ends...

Matthew Svatos
540 Posted 28/08/2022 at 04:29:34
Yes, it's disappointing to draw from a winning position, but there were a lot of positives to take away from that performance.

We dominated the first 45 (besides the few times our own woodwork was rattled). Our passing has quickened, so has our pressing. Each of the new players had some moments of brilliance (yes, I'm including McNeil), and if we had an actual striker, I feel there was a second goal in us.

The negatives are that we don't have squad depth at the moment. You could see the players were tiring from the pressing game at the 65-minute mark but, with no-one able to come on and inject energy, there's nothing Lampard can really do.

Our bench was awful and it showed. Once we get Calvert-Lewin back, that puts two energy players in Maupay and McNeil on the bench to come on late and cause havoc.

With so many new players, it's going to take time for them all to gel, but I like a lot of what I saw and am willing to stay positive for the moment.

Bernie Quinn
541 Posted 28/08/2022 at 05:10:16
Kieran @ 481

That was an unreasonable post to Colin Glasser. I know Colin can stand up for himself, but I too was unable to follow the game and therefore will not comment on it; so your comment applies to me as well.

Living in New Zealand and being a pensioner, I do not have access to much English Football news and so rely mainly on ToffeeWeb, Sky Sport , and BBC Sport.

From what I read, no way would I try to make an informed comment on a game I didn't see. For instance, on this very thread, Michael Kenrick stated that Tarkowski made the assist for Gordon's goal and many posters claimed that Tarkowski had a poor game.

Yet on both Sky and BBC I am informed that Coady made the assist - and Sky said that Tarkowski was the Man of the Match! There were other differences too, so how can you make an informed comment on what you read?

You can only comment on what you see yourself and even then it is just an opinion.

Sorry Kieran, you are one of my favourite posters but your comment to Colin was out of order – but as Dick Emery used to say... "But I Like You!"

Sean Roe
542 Posted 28/08/2022 at 05:19:30
I think it might have been ''tongue-in-cheek',' Bernie.
Danny O’Neill
543 Posted 28/08/2022 at 05:24:52
I departed the UK for the US at 12:20 pm today. I'm now in Florida for the next 10 days, so missed today and learned the result on arrival.

General consensus is that we continue to look to be slowly improving. (I'm still not using the league table as a gauge right now, Michael!!)

To that end, I liked John Rafterty's balanced view @514. Admittedly, because it resonates with mine. But I do genuinely enjoy reading the views of others even when I don't agree with them. They give me food for thought as I consider myself open-minded.

Like many have said, if this discussion was being had in person over a drink I doubt some of the way the written word is interpreted would be taken the same way.

My son managed to watch some of it and concurred with the points about Onana impressing. Hopefully with increased game time, he's going to come good. Manage him and be patient with him.

The striker issue is the blatantly obvious issue and the do we or don't we stick with 3 at the back is another. If we do, Mykolenko on the left with Tarkowski on the right?

It's a point we didn't get at that ground last season and a low point. Like many, I saw the despair in the fans and anger at the end. From what I'm reading and hearing, that wasn't the case yesterday despite the disappointment of dropping 2 points in the closing minutes.

We were dead certs to lose against Forest for some. Similarly yesterday for a few. Didn't happen. Leeds on Tuesday is winnable – a win is coming.

As for Liverpool next Sunday, that's going to be a 7:30 am kick-off for me. I usually like a drink when following or watching Everton. I guess with it being a church day, if it's good enough for Jesus and a Priest, I can break the rules and claim I'm still on UK time.

I'll probably need to in order to help with the celebrations.

Jerome Shields
544 Posted 28/08/2022 at 06:02:40
Danny #543,

I know that Frank is persisting with a particular system and bringing in suitable players that are robust and have the necessary skills for that system, but there are two problems.

Firstly, the pressing ability of the team and secondly the inability to change formation.

Somehow, long-ball kick-outs and 5 at the back is thought of as necessary to deal with pressure. Without any addressing of any pressure on forwards and midfield.

Rob Hooton
545 Posted 28/08/2022 at 07:45:01
Lev, 437:

“I'm almost starting to wonder if Frank remembers himself to be so tireless that he never needed any rest between games at all... ;P”

I think Lampard was used to playing at least twice a week, every week, and winning loads of trophies at the same time! Perhaps he feels the same way I do, that the more you play, the fitter you get, and that all the whinging about too many games is a load of old bollocks! ;-)

Laurie Hartley
546 Posted 28/08/2022 at 07:47:03
I've just watched the full replay. I think we were a bit lucky to come away with a point but, in our current circumstances, I'll take as much luck as is on offer until we sort ourselves out as a unit.

Specialist training for next week – don't leave the back post unmarked.

Terry Farrell
547 Posted 28/08/2022 at 08:09:04
I'm happy with the transfer dealings with the exception of McNeil as he is slow and I can see what Frank is trying to do. Not a massive fan of 5 at the back but prepared to be patient.

Onana is awesome and will get better and better. Not sure we need to do the Gueye deal now and Alex Iwobi is transformed since Frank's arrival and a pleasure to watch now.

We need a back-up to Calvert-Lewin asap. Antony Gordon superb yesterday and I loved how coolly he took his goal.

Rob Hooton
548 Posted 28/08/2022 at 08:13:15
I thought it was an entertaining match and we had a very good first half - defensively we were not very good and we got quite lucky with some of Brentford's finishing. We had quite a few decent chances ourselves though and a draw was probably a fair result.

I'll never be a fan of 5 at the back unless we win a trophy playing that way, our midfield always looks to be a man short.

Reckon we will get at least a point at Leeds, not looking ahead any further than that…

Eddie Dunn
549 Posted 28/08/2022 at 08:47:11
Christy Ring, In response to your pithy remarks...

"Eddie Dunn #324/333

Your only post at 16:45, after they score, dreadful display, and Lampard out, pathetic.

Mike Gaynes is spot on, some people wait until we concede, before they make a comment.

Disappointed to concede so late, but would have taken a point from the off, considering they're last home game was 4-0 against Man Utd."

Wrong! Scroll back to around 35. You will see that I was pissed-off at Lampard's selection and five at the back again. I will continue to point the finger at Frank if I so wish. It's not me being negative – look at his record since he has been here. It's terrible.

The team play some pretty football at times, for sure... but he took off Onana when he should have taken off McNeil. He should have put Davies and Onana in the middle together. He should also have started with Rondon.

The defenders that we have are playing like gormless idiots. They have no cover in front of them and are playing far too deep. This is all down to the selection, and Frank is selecting. He has had loads of time, lots of chances. He is poor at his job.

We will go down this season if he continues in the post.

Tony Abrahams
550 Posted 28/08/2022 at 08:50:41
Agree with you about Tarakowski not looking as comfortable since Coady has come in, Kieran, and wonder if it's because Coady sweeps very deep? I'm only basing this on the Forest game, because I never watched yesterday, but Tarkowski looked very good against Chelsea, but absolutely all over the place in that Forest game.

Mykolenko also doesn't look like a natural wingback, but could possibly play inside in a similar way that the player the Chelsea fans call Dave, has adapted, but I don't think that our back three have looked comfortable defensively, since Conor Coady has come into the team.

I think it's going to be a massive week in the transfer window. We definitely still need players, and I also think this will determine if we are going to struggle massively again, or suddenly begin to improve.🤞

Ian Riley
551 Posted 28/08/2022 at 09:11:15
Frank must find a way to keep clean sheets or 2 or 20 strikers won't keep us from relegation!

Yesterday we were lucky to come away with a point. The formation is not suitable at the back. Mistakes happen due to players not comfortable for that role. Please sort this out Frank or move on. Relegation battle from August!

Sam Hoare
552 Posted 28/08/2022 at 09:14:58
Woke up this morning not quite sure whether to feel upbeat or totally despondent about Everton.

On one hand, I do feel there are some green shoots of optimism (certainly when you compare yesterday to our last match away vs Brentford). We are possibly just two new players (Gueye and Broja) and a fit Calvert-Lewin (back to training this week) away from having a relatively competitive team.

On the other hand, it looks horribly plausible that we may have 3 or so points after 7 games and there are clearly issues both old and new to resolve in this team.

Both the optimists and the pessimists have a solid case, I'd say. On balance ,I'd say it's still early days, let's see who comes in this week and what the team can manage in this tough little run we have coming.

Worth remembering that Newcastle didn't get their first win last season till they edged Burnley on the 4th December in their 15th match. And they ended up 7 points off Europe.

Not suggesting we should try and emulate that but, with Lampard implementing a new system and the board being perenially slow in delivering targets, this season was always likely to start slowly for us.

David Connor
553 Posted 28/08/2022 at 09:17:12
Early days but, as suspected, folk,s we are in deep deep trouble. A very hard run of games coming up. I don't see us gaining many more points and will probably rooted well in the Bottom 3... maybe rock bottom.

You can't put all the blame on Lampard – more the ineptitude of a dithering board and owner. Taking so long to get players in has been horrendous at best.

The sooner the new stadium is built and Moshiri sells up, the better. But we may have lost our Premier League status by then. All ifs and buts but a very real and scary possibility. What a shambles.

Danny Baily
554 Posted 28/08/2022 at 09:18:15
Tony 551,

Regardless of who we bring in this week, we are going to struggle to stay in the Premier League. It seems inevitable to me looking at the fixture list that Frank will go this side of Christmas.

On the plus side, if well drilled, the squad that's left is absolutely capable of avoiding relegation.

Robert Tressell
555 Posted 28/08/2022 at 09:27:05
Someone mentioned yesterday that Thelwell's coaching guide was about 3-5-2. Maybe we'll see Maupay and Calvert-Lewin up top together with a 3 of Iwobi, Gueye and Onana behind them. That looks promising on paper.

The main thing is organising the 3 centre-halves. That will, I expect, be a problem all season. We seem to have lots of fairly average centre-backs but not convinced we've bought anyone as good as Mina when fit – and he's not exactly Rio Ferdinand.

Anyway, once the strikers get going, we should pick up points for a mid-table finish.

Anthony Jones
557 Posted 28/08/2022 at 09:36:02
5-2-3 is possible if you have outstanding players.

We don't have outstanding players.

Brentford should have beaten us.

Laurie Hartley
558 Posted 28/08/2022 at 09:48:24
Robert #556,

I think you have hit the nail on the head over three centre-halves. From what I have seen, Tarkowski has regressed since being moved out of the middle on to the left. I think the powers that be have made a big mistake putting the left-footed and quick Branthwaite out on loan. No use crying over spilt milk.

As far as I can see, the manager is going to play 3 centre halves so, as many posters have suggested the answer looks to me, to be to move the left-footed Mykolenko into the left centre-back position and playing Vinagre, who is a left-footed wingback, as the left-back or whatever you call it these days.

Patterson, Tarkowski, Coady, Mykolenko, Vinagre
Gordon, Iwobi, Gray
Maupay, Rondon (or Calvert-Lewin when he is available)

Steve Brown
559 Posted 28/08/2022 at 09:51:06
Robert @ 556,

I think we may move to a back four when we bring in another midfielder (Gueye or similar), but not before. Lampard tried 4-3-3 when he came in and we got mullered. He can also only play a back four when Mina is fit to partner Tarkowski.

Alternatively, he might default to a proper 3-5-2 as you say. Currently, Patterson looks more comfortable as a wing-back and Mykolenko as a full-back.

Tarkowski looks comfortable in the middle of a back three and lost on the left, while Coady prefers a back three and Holgate does well on the right side of a three but not in a back four.

At the time when he played a back four, Lampard was called naive but I assume his sin for some now is to be over-pragmatic? That is despite the team lacking a single fit and experienced forward.

The trials of being a manager.

Danny Baily
560 Posted 28/08/2022 at 09:56:58
Laurie @559,

I don't think you can reasonably describe Branthwaite as quick! We really needed to keep one of Holgate or Godfrey fit as they are relatively pacey.

Brian Murray
561 Posted 28/08/2022 at 10:04:23

And both are crocked. We are just too quick to loan out good players knowing our injury pattern. Branthwaite or Keane, eh! Rondon or Simms. Onyango or McNeil, for that matter.

Just saying, sometimes you've got to be brave with the youth.

Tony Abrahams
562 Posted 28/08/2022 at 10:09:18
It's the bit when you write about “on the plus side” that is making it so hard for me right now, Danny B.

We've gone 27 years without a trophy, but the plus side is that we have got a squad that could easily avoid relegation. That shows me how easy it was for the charlatan to lower expectations and yet still make an absolute fortune out of Everton Football Club.

Maybe Lampard doesn't want to be on a road to nowhere? Is the only plus side I might be able to take but, until the club gets new owners, that's exactly where we are heading. I'm aware that the new ground should also be taken as a massive positive, or another of those on the plus sides, maybe?

Jerome Shields
563 Posted 28/08/2022 at 10:28:09
Danny #561,

This season is different. Will there be an international break? And there is a break in November for the World Cup.

It really depends this week, since new players will buy time as they settle in. Also, with new introductions, it makes it harder for opposition teams to get a fix on Everton's play.

Frank has had a measure of luck so far and fan expectations are at the lowest I can remember. One win, deserving or not, can put Everton mid-table.

In a normal season, I would say you are right. The pressure will be after the World Cup. You also have the January Transfer Window to fog things up as well.

Like Tony, I absolutely feel, as an Everton Supporter from the 1960s, we are being forced to accept serial under-performance and survival objectives which were previously spun as ambition, but which are now being peddled to us barefaced.

Sean Kelly
564 Posted 28/08/2022 at 10:30:15
I don't think Frank is up to the job. Tactically inept at best...

We are staring at a relegation fight already in fucking august.

Playing 5 at the back and some of them out of position stinks of desperation and fear.

Yesterday, we had Rondon on the bench. We all know he's crap but he would have given something to think about instead of them being able to run at us in numbers.

It's a sad day when our manager thinks a draw at Brentford is a decent result. Instead of wasting £15 to 20 million on McNeil, we should have brought in a centre-forward. Starting a season dropping 10 points like we have against average opposition is crazy.

It's not all Franks's fault. He's dealing with 2 Snake Oil Salesmen upstairs. But Frank sets us up all wrong and it may be the sword that he falls on. I don't necessarily want him sacked but he needs to grow a pair and stop talking shite to his media buddies.

Brian Murray
565 Posted 28/08/2022 at 10:37:11

It's with a heavy heart that I agree with you but sometimes the stars are aligned and he has I think top-notch backroom staff to help him because their standards are so different to ours.

With this reset, we have to grow with a young manager who, as we know, makes rick after rick, especially his subs and his insistence on the balance of the back 4 or 5. Stick with him and sometimes life and football stumble onto a winning formula.

Tony Hill
566 Posted 28/08/2022 at 10:40:37
Fair comment, Sam @553.

As one of the pessimists, I'm not sure we have much option but to sit tight and hope anyway.

Dave Cashen
568 Posted 28/08/2022 at 10:48:30
We hadn't defended well all game, but when Holgate went off you just knew they would score. What is it with us? We just don't ever seem capable of reshuffling central defence when one of them goes down. It's not as if we don't get enough of a practice. We. Just dropped deeper and deeper.

I don't think we were lucky. Brentford squandered their chances thorough their own profligacy. We were not unlucky either. We had chances to put this to bed.

I'm still trying to understand why Gray came back to beat his man again after out-pacing him to race clear into the box for a one-on-one with the keeper. Fucking frustrating.

Positives? There were a couple. It was particularly pleasing to see the boy who can't shoot or score goals make the keeper work 2-3 times with shots from in and around the box – again.

The VAR relieved him of his goal at Villa, but he timed his run to perfection this time and finished decisively. Shove your £60M where the sun don't shine, Chelsea!

Denis Richardson
570 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:20:27
I wasn't expecting anything from the game so a point is a nice surprise.

Couldn't be bothered to watch live if I'm being honest, made the decision not to as long as we're playing 5-5-0. Performance is irrelevant if we haven't got a striker. Can't really build any proper playing style. The first four games have basically been a write-off this season.

Early days but 10% of the season is now gone and we're averaging 0.5 points per game. Something needs to change fast. If Maupay and any other signings don't hit the ground running, Lampard will be gone in October, is my prediction.

This is beginning to remind me of the 2004-05 season where we only got 3 points from our opening 8 games – at least that time we had a reason after the Champions League knockout took the stuffing out of the players.

Mick O'Malley
571 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:20:29
Regarding the Onana substitution, Onana informed Lampard he was struggling to last the 90 minutes, I've just read in a report.

We really need the ball to stick up front, and we could do with someone who can dictate play, put their foot on the ball, and pick a pass. Who that is, god only knows... but we've got zero creativity at times.

We've had terrible luck with injuries to our defence so I've got a bit of sympathy with Lampard. Don't forget, this defence is brand new and will take time to gel.

This week, we need to get more goals into the team, a midfielder who can chip in, and definitely another forward. UTFT

Sean Kelly
572 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:26:55
Brian #566,

I'm with you for the most part. I don't have much faith in Clement – he's a dour negative type. As for Cole, the jury is out.

I hope Lampard succeeds because we need to stop this tipsy-turbo roller-coaster ride we are on. Though I guess we won't push on until we get rid of the Snake Oil Salesmen.

Christopher Timmins
574 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:34:39
Defense is still an issue. Giving away far too many chances.
Allan Board
575 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:41:12
Whether any of us agree with 5 at the back etc, this is how the coaches want to set up and believe, for now, is the best way of utilising what they have. I actually think Lampard wants to play 4-3-3 but knows the squad is not up to it – yet.

We have young lads at full-back, 2 new centre-backs, a young new modern midfielder, and now a new striker. That's 6 new or young players to introduce and play them in a format that suits. A good percentage of the dross from the last 6 years have gone also.

There are 3 teams that have already lost more games than Everton, and 6 lost as many. Shall we assume they are all going to be relegated then?

Take a look at the table – our goals for is bad (no shit, Sherlock! no striker) but our goals against is not awful – 5 in 4 games, so if you want to do predictions that's about 50 in a season – nearly 20 better than last season already.

Once our 2 strikers start scoring, it will create more opportunities for our midfielders to score also, because teams will concentrate on our strikers instead.

Jesus, have a bit of patience, back the manager, he needs it and will appreciate it loads.

Gerry Quinn
576 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:44:14
Well said, Allan – totally agree with your positive attitude. Patience required.
John Hood
577 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:51:31
Brentford fan here (again)!

Yes, a lively match but I think Brentford really should have won by 2 or 3. Poor finishing and some bad luck with the woodwork... but we've all been there.

I actually thought that, for the first 25 minutes, Everton were playing well, moving it around with confidence and creating one or two chances. Then Gordon scored his well-taken goal and Everton seemed to go rather negative and unadventurous. This invited the Bees on to them and Pickford's goal led a charmed life.

Second half... same again. I think Brentford's subs made a big impact and a goal seemed inevitable given the amount of pressure. Both sides might think it 2 points dropped.

If Everton stick to playing football, they will be fine;, plenty of good players but, if they play as they did for the last 60 minutes, it might be a struggle.

Re Pickford: Why does such a good keeper feel he has to behave as he does?Tiresome is an understatement.

Finally, your travelling support was excellent, always behind the team.

Best of luck for the rest of the season.

Lee Courtliff
578 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:54:01
Thanks, John.

I agree, we played well up until the opening goal but, after that, we did lead a Charmed Life. Always disappointing to lose a lead late in the game, though.

Good luck to you and Brentford for the season, mate.

Tom Bowers
580 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:59:15
Evertonians have the patience of Saints.

How else could we have stuck with them all these barren years and watched all manner of bums put on the Royal Blue?

Yes, the defensive quality is still suspect and maybe they have been lucky only to have conceded 5 goals in 5 games (including Fleetwood) but they are a work in progress with all the new guys and not forgetting the injuries.

On the flip-side, I saw some good stuff yesterday on offence, particularly in the first half, and I was impressed with Onana and Iwobi.

Okay, the Bees could also have scored one or two and it's arguable that Frank's substitutions may have been off but it was a game they were 6 minutes away from winning.

I think that our fortunes may be changing with Maupay to show his worth, and provided that no more players get injured.

Tony Hill
581 Posted 28/08/2022 at 11:59:37
Spot on, John @578.
Brian Harrison
582 Posted 28/08/2022 at 12:06:23
John 578

You sum up the game like the majority of Blues. Brentford, through poor finishing, failed to capitalise on the chances they created.

As you rightly point out, we became less adventurous as the game progressed and, in the end, there was only one team going to score — and it wasn't us.

Best of luck for the new season and how refreshing it is to hear from an opposition fan. I think it's always good to hear how opposition fans view the game.

Brian Harrison
584 Posted 28/08/2022 at 12:26:15
I have just read Thomas Frank, the Brentford manager, saying "Credit to Everton's supporters, and those of you in the away end this afternoon, for creating one of the best atmospheres I have ever experienced".

Just a pity we haven't got a team to match our world-class supporters.

Laurie Hartley
585 Posted 28/08/2022 at 12:30:04
Danny # 561,

Well Calvert-Lewin reckons he is:-

Dominic Calvert-Lewin hails Jarrad Branthwaite's speed at Everton

However, I agree with you about Godfrey – he is the fastest player we have.

Brent Stephens
586 Posted 28/08/2022 at 13:16:03
Brian, the atmosphere was great at Brentford. A big uncertainty though when the Bees come to play and sing to one of their favs – Hey Jude. Do we sing or stay schtum?

We stayed schtum (though inside I had a little hum).

John McFarlane Snr
587 Posted 28/08/2022 at 14:07:50
Hi all, experience has taught me to approach a football match with neither an optimistic nor pessimistic expectation.

Because I believe that anything can happen in a game of football, I have now adopted a 'Hopeful' outlook, and somehow victory tastes a little sweeter, and defeat doesn't hurt as much as it used to.

I'm no saint but I can claim that I've never slated an Everton player. Like everyone else, I feel joy or disappointment, and it's my belief that we win or lose as a team. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, and all I will say is "It suits me".

Mike Oates
588 Posted 28/08/2022 at 14:08:44
Until he gets a good No 6 in the squad (Gueye?) and then reverts to a 4-3-3 formation, then we are goosed big time.

It doesn't matter if Onana becomes a world beater, we just can't compete with only him and Iwobi in midfield, supported occasionally by two wingbacks who, when they go forward, leave huge gaps at the back, which will always be exploited by decent sides. Even Brentford yesterday ripped us apart on counter attack, primarly on Patterson's side as he pushed forward.

We need a true good No6 who covers left, right, centre whenever we spring foward. Neither Onana, Davies, Doucoure, can do it adequately and both Allan and Gomes have had their chances and failed big time.

Going to a 4-3-3 will give Lampard a headache, particularly in the two centre-half choices, but also who loses out upfront. I can only see Calvert-Lewin as a cert and then supported by one of "our" new frontmen – Maupay, Diaz, Broja??? – leaving one place left, Gordon, Gray, McNeil?? who knows.

But to get to this position of having choices all over, is a dream only at the moment.

Looking at our 5 games so far this season, I just can't see us getting to a mid-table safeness, never mind a Top 10 target. We desperately need far more quality in midfield and upfront.

I'd even go as far to say that selling Gordon and obtaining Gallacher and Broja in return, and then throwing in the separate purchase of Gueye, would leave us with a far more balanced squad.

Tell Gordon he's being sold to give his beloved Everton a chance to turn the disastrous riptide we've been in for last 20 years.

Colin Malone
589 Posted 28/08/2022 at 14:08:48
Anthony # 558.

Spot on. Until such time, 4-5-1, that includes playing Allan. Davies or Allan is a no-brainer.

One big negative for me is, when I see Paul Clement giving out instructions on the byline. Gets me thinking: Who is running this miserable show?

Tony Hill
590 Posted 28/08/2022 at 14:19:30
John @588, your attitude is much the most sensible for peace of mind.

I'm in my mid-70s but can't find it in me to be calm. I get infuriated by our team (and especially by those in the Boardroom) time after time after time. Too late to change now.

I also lose sight too easily of the fact that everyone on here is a proper Blue, without exception.

Things may yet turn out well for us. Let us pray to the God of Surprises.

Tony Hill
591 Posted 28/08/2022 at 14:37:20
Patterson wasn't great yesterday but I think he's going to be a fine right-back for us. The way he carries himself and some of his instinctive play are very encouraging.

On the other side, I agree that Vinagre should be selected with Mykolenko moving inside. I'd also consider a spot for Coleman who looked sharp the other night, albeit against Fleetwood. I think Seamus could prove a bonus in that sort of role, even if it's a more occasional thing.

Kieran Kinsella
592 Posted 28/08/2022 at 14:40:21

I was being sarcastic and trying to highlight the point with all the conflicting views on here that it's impossible to know how the game went if (like me) you couldn't watch it.

Raymond Fox
593 Posted 28/08/2022 at 14:56:50
We were lucky to get a draw in the end.

Decent first half but overun in the second half.

Still need more players but unlucky with injuries again

Ian Riley
594 Posted 28/08/2022 at 15:29:52
Coady does not play well in a traditional back 4. This I was told when we signed him from a Wolves season ticket holder of many years. Perhaps that explains the back 5 formation.

All I know is we need points and I couldn't care less about performances. Wins bring confidence and performances improve.

David West
596 Posted 28/08/2022 at 16:08:56
Well, the dust has settled.

Some people will say we were awfull yesterday and have no hope this season. Others will say good first half, we are 2 players away from Top 10. Reality is we are probably somewhere in the middle.

Imo, there are good players in this squad. There are players that are going to get better. There are players that are settling. What Frank has to do is get a system going that both defenders are happy playing and attackers are happy too.

At the moment, the defence looks shaky with gaps all over, which can be expected with what is basically 5 people who have played a few matches together, however they don't look comfortable playing this way.

Up front, they are being asked to play in unfamiliar positions albeit because we have no striker but they are not comfortable.

We have defenders being asked to play on the wing and wingers being asked to play up front. I hope the inclusion of Maupay and or the return of Calvert-Lewin changes things in Frank's mind that we can be braver and try to win games by being offensive – not nicking one and sitting back.

Paul Kossoff
597 Posted 28/08/2022 at 16:36:59
Bottom three before September. I fear we have more chance of being relegated this season than last.

No Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin injury-prone, bought striker who doesn't score enough goals, and of course a seemingly clueless Thatcher-like manager.

If we had points on the board now before the harder games as a cushion, I would be more confident, but we have failed to do that and, unless we get 3 poins against Leeds, I can't see anything gained from Liverpool and Arsenal. I hope God is a blue.

Christy Ring
598 Posted 28/08/2022 at 16:57:31
Maupay and Calvert-Lewin back, hopefully next week, will make a massive difference, especially as Gray, Gordon and McNeil will have a target man to aim for.

I hope we get Gueye and an attacking midfielder before Thursday. Hopefully Frank can feel confident to change the system to 3 in midfield.

My reservation with 5 at the back, Tarkowski is a lot more comfortable in a back 4, Mykolenko is a lot more solid as a left back, and Patterson has repeatedly being caught out, too far forward, the balance isn't right, and we're on the back foot also.

If Gueye comes in, Frank can afford to play a more offensive formation.

Mal van Schaick
599 Posted 28/08/2022 at 17:02:09
Bottom three because of mismanagement knowing that we were short up front and have done nothing until Maupay.

We still need 36 to 40 points and, if we still have striker issues after the window closes, we won't get enough points.

Bobby Mallon
600 Posted 28/08/2022 at 17:14:50
Frank Lampard is another stubborn fucking manager who won't budge with 5 at the back until he's removed.

Our players don't have the tactical nouse to play it. (I don't want him gone) but I think he will be sacked if we are still 17 come Xmas.

Matthew Williams
603 Posted 28/08/2022 at 18:09:27
My take on things...

1. Pickford needs to start catching the ball,not punch it.
2. We need to scrap playing three at back,pronto.
3. Sack off zonal marking and go back to man to man.
4. Play a simple system like 4-4-2,after all,the REAL Boss used it,week in week out and we were very successful with it too.
5. Keep the back-passes to a bare minimum.
6. Don't sit too deep,as it only invites undue pressure.
7. Make Tarko the new Captain now.
8. Please sign two more Strikers and a attacking Midfielder by Thursday.
9. Start shooting from range,as other teams do.
10. Be much braver and take the game to the opposition...let them worry about us for a change!.

Nick White
604 Posted 28/08/2022 at 18:42:49
Bobby, if I recall right Frank started playing 4 at the back when he 1st joined and we got heavily beaten. I’m sure he will change, as he did last season, if we get the right players in. Personally I’d always rather see us play a back 4. I’m desperate for Frank (and us) to succeed. I’ll take a scrappy 1-0 win at Leeds with a deflected goal like WHU did today at Villa.
Jerome Shields
605 Posted 28/08/2022 at 18:42:54

Frank is going to continue with the same system and fit the players that come into it.This is the system they practise on the training pitch and players selected and recruited are to fit into that system.The only possible change I can see is a Centre Forward starting.Both Chris Jones in charge of fitness and Frank explained this as the way that Everton would be prepared at the start of the season.

Brent Stephens
606 Posted 28/08/2022 at 18:49:22
Frank seemed to prefer a back 4 at Chelsea and Derby. Given a different squad we'd probably see a back 4 at Everton?
Charles Brewer
607 Posted 28/08/2022 at 19:02:12
A little off topic. I've just watched the end of the Forest-Spurs match and have seen what we re going to miss this season with Richarlison gone.

A perfect cross onto Harry Kane's head for the second goal, some excellent movement, and made a space for himself from which he was only denied by a superb save.

At one point Richarlison began a bit of keepy-uppy showboating and a Forest player just ran up and kicked him. Gobshite Carragher (that is his name isn't it?) thought that this was fine. But then I suppose if you were a shit player for a team noted for its ref-supported thuggery, skill would be something which would provoke you to violence. (And spitting at girls)

Tony Everan
608 Posted 28/08/2022 at 21:18:35
Tony 609, enjoyed that, throw in a Faberge egg and Elvis’s gonads in pickle jar and the deal is done.
Christy Ring
611 Posted 28/08/2022 at 22:23:14
Oliver#610 Would definitely prefer a 433, hopefully a couple of players in before Thursday and he’ll change the formation, listening to his press conference on Friday, he’s disgusted that the powers that be didn’t bring in a striker weeks ago, so maybe it’s not all his fault
Mike Corcoran
613 Posted 28/08/2022 at 23:22:14
Imagine? I remember the embarrassment well….

Arsenal 7-0 Everton

Oliver Molloy
614 Posted 28/08/2022 at 23:24:39
Agree Danny, and I didn't like Lampard's comments after that Arsenal defeat, "we did the hard work on Thursday against Palace to secure our Prmier League status '- that's not what we want from an Everton manager.

If that match hadn't been at Goodison we would have been relegated.

I said it before and will do so again, the fans more than Lampard ensured we stayed up.

Mike Corcoran
615 Posted 28/08/2022 at 23:34:08
5 at the back has to go.

Patterson and Mykolenko are very poor defenders never mind the currently misguided hope that they can maraud forward and supply any of our limp forwards. 4 at the back, a holding midfielder in front and some mobility and brains in the other 4 behind whoever is pretending to be a striker is the only way to move forward.

Thelwell and his philosophy is not suited to our personnel.

Bobby Mallon
616 Posted 29/08/2022 at 10:34:44
Jeff Armstrong, you wrote:

"Ooooh, a point at Brentford, good point."

Bog off. Who do you think Everton are these days? We are just as big as Brentford in footballing terms. We are miles away from ever getting into the Top 10 never mind Top 6.

We nearly got fucking relegated last season and this season we have sold our best player. You need to get real — Everton were once a great club; we are now just another team trying to stay in the money.

Steve Brown
618 Posted 29/08/2022 at 14:39:39
Bobby @ 628, yep the same Brentford who battered Man Utd 4-0 on their way previous home game.

Pete @ 631, stop making so much sense.

Brent Stephens
619 Posted 29/08/2022 at 14:46:16
Bobby #628

"We nearly got fucking relegated last season and this season have sold our best player... Everton where once a great club; we are now just another team trying to stay in the money."

All of which says that a point at Brentford was a decent point. Unless you think we're a team bound for the Top 10.

Bobby Mallon
620 Posted 29/08/2022 at 14:47:27
Steve 633, I totally agree with all your words. That’s what I was trying to get across in my post.
Bobby Mallon
621 Posted 29/08/2022 at 14:52:09
Brent @ 633 that’s exactly what I was trying to get across, but obviously wrote it wrong. I think the bog off which was part of Jeffs post was miss construed as me writing bog off.
I don’t get how 2 people have got my post wrong. But hopefully I have cleared it up.
Brent Stephens
622 Posted 29/08/2022 at 15:00:12
Understood, Bobby.
Kieran Kinsella
623 Posted 29/08/2022 at 15:16:38
Bog off? That takes me back to the 80s. Haven’t heard that in a while will have to introduce these yanks over here to it
Kieran Kinsella
624 Posted 29/08/2022 at 15:27:29

You should have a pretty good rivalry for your new team with Could've Albion and Would've City. Both have huge followings from what I can ascertain.

Steve Brown
625 Posted 29/08/2022 at 15:45:58
John @ 636, great post.

Apparently we should've beaten Brentford away easily, despite them being a really well-coached side who hammered Man Utd in their last previous home game.

Bobby @ 632, you made your point well as far as I am concerned. Posters who are demanding Lampard be sacked are broadly the same lot who welcomed the hiring of Benitez. Who almost got us relegated.

Enough said.

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