Leeds United 1 - 1 Everton

Everton head to Elland Road for Round 5 of the Premier League, against  Leeds United.

New signing Neal Maupay is not involved in tonight's squad where Davies and McNeil are restored with Frank Lampard finally dropping the back 5 and going with a 4-3-3 formation.

Everton kicked off in their lurid pink third strip, rather than wearing all blue against the all-white of Leeds. It was cagey at first, Leeds preferring a slow build until Paterson had to intervene. But they then gave the ball back to Leeds, and turnovers became the initial theme.  

Mykolenko tried to feed Davies who had stayed offside, while Leeds tried and failed to pass their way into the Everton penalty area, and their slow build-up resumed. Coady cut out a long ball but Everton could not keep it and Onana had to give up the first corner, headed clear. 

Gordon got well hammered by Kristensen, as things got spicey, the Leeds player demanding a card as if he'd done nothing. All part of a strategy to rile Gordon? Everton finally had some decent possession until Pickford cleared long and Leeds came straight back, with a shot at Pickford.  

Everton were also slow and deliberate until Iwobi sensed a chance and slid in a brilliant ball for Gordon to score with almost an identical shot to his excellent goal at Brentford.

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The euphoria was spoilt by a moment of sheer stupidity from Tom Davies, who decided to stick his foot up lamely at Meslier. How fucking stupid! Yellow card. Utterly idiotic from Davies. Rodrigo then almost stepped in as Pickford was ball-watching. Nonsense then ensued about goalkeeper time-wasting as Leeds and their fans struggled for a way back into this game. 

Kristensen next caught Gray, nothing from the referee. Pickford came out and brilliantly beat off Rodrigo, who went down, whinging about his shoulder, Leeds now blatantly wasting time over his treatment on the field until he went off, possibly with a dislocated shoulder. 

Coady again played that direct long ball, but it didn't come off. Gordon brilliantly spun Krsitenssen but his reserve simply body-checked Gordon to stop him dribbling in their area. Agan, no Leeds card. From the free-kick, terrible attempts at shots by Mykolenko and Davies. 

It was getting fractious and scrappy now, Pickford almost making a fool of himself with a wild charge and flailing half-punch but he was rescued. But Leeds were being very well marshalled by Everton's disciplined defence, organized by Coady and Tarkowski, who was next to get smacked by a Leeds player. They are a dirty lot.

Mykolenko got beaten well by Sinisterra but again the defence closed off the path in front of him.  More niggle on an Everoon free-kick, Adams encroaching, and finally a yellow card for Dirty Leeds.

Mykolenko made a poor mistake in not stopping a ball from going out of play when it had been passed to him by McNeil. That play led directly to a Leeds corner which needed more good work from Patterson and ended with a wild shot over from Koch,  

Gray and Gordon looked to fashion something but Gordon's cross was terrible and allowed another Leeds attack to develop that was again very well defended.  Leeds continued to try and build but they just weren't getting into the Everton penalty area.

However, they won another corner in added time, played deep, and again defended away to end a rather good half for Everton without too much by way of adventure going forward to build on Gordon's excellent go-ahead goal.  

Leeds got the game underway again after the break, and found their way in fr a superb shot from Aronson that Pickford palmed behind for a corner. But Everton kept hat out, Gordon trying o break down he win. However, Leed came back, McNeil defending for another corner, whipped in and put behind by Patterson. The defending wa scrappy but effective, 

The Leeds pressure continued, Harrison shooting low at Pickford. Another warning. Everton trying to break, almost too fast, McNeil all on his own, But Leeds came back, Aronson crossing into Pickford's arms with Geldhart claiming Tarkowski had impeded him. 

It was highly competitive stuff, with Leeds determined to equalize and Sinisterra did just that from nothing really, Pickford somehow unsighted by Tarkowski, made no attempt, allowing his shot to bobble inside the post. 

At the other end, Gordon was denied an obvious corner, again, why nothing from the VAR?  It then got a bit more tasty, Kristensen at the heart of it, pushed by Gordon who then did the forehead lock thing. Yellow cards for both of them.  

More brilliant defending from Patterson on Harrison prevented a corner but Everton had allowed Leeds to take full command of the play and were unable to hold the ball. Another Leeds attack and this time Patterson defended at the expense of a corner, 

Everton got forward again and this time Gray scored but it looked marginally offside, confirmed by the VAR. 

Everton finally played forward and Gordon tried to get McNeil to play him in but McNeil wanted to shoo, wide. Patterson was booked for a silly challenge. Leeds attacked again, Gelhardt lashing a dangerous shot wide. 

Everton were not doing enough with the ball their possession sats just shocking, but they did advance o win a corner through Gray, punched away by Meslier and Leeds winning their own corner that was headed wide. 

Gelheadt danced around Tarkowski and seemed to be in on goal but somehow Pickford denied him with a great block. Still Leeds kept attacking relentlessly and Everton had no way of relieving the pressure, with horribly sloppy wasted passes. But Gordon and Mykolemnko .won a corner,  McNeil putting it in and Everon somehow failing to score, Onana kicking it into Kristensen's head!

But it was a relentless battle for space, Leeds having more energy after using their subs while Lampard steadfastly refused to indulge in such luxuries. But a god Everon move saw Gordon set up Patterns to score the winner.... only he didn't, firing far too close to Meslier.

Again Leeds attacked but Harrisson fired well wide. Everton tried to break again but yet again surrendered the ball, this time Davies offering like resistance. Leeds attacked again but Everon kept them at bay. Tarkowski gave up another corner, played short thankfully to Gray. Leeds kept pumping balls at Bamford but he had not really threatened Pickford. 

Into just 3 minutes of added time, no Everton subs used, and still Everton facing attack after attack right to the end. Another game they shoulda and coulda... but didn't.

Leeds United: Meslier, Kristensen [Y:59'], Koch, Llorente, Struijk, Adams [Y:40'], Roca, Sinisterra (64' Klich), Aaronson (76' James) , Harrison, Rodrigo (32' Gelhardt (76' Bamford)). 

Subs not Used: Forshaw, Summerville, Klaesson, Drameh, Greenwood,

Everton:  Pickford, Patterson [Y:67'], Coady, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Onana, Davies [Y:20'], Iwobi, Gordon [Y:59'], Gray, McNeil.

Subs not Used: Begovic, Keane, Allan, Gomes, Coleman, Vinagre, Rondon, Mills, Welch.

Attendance: 36,338

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James Marshall
1 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:05:40
Maupay not even in the squad – don't tell me he's injured already.
Michael Lynch
2 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:06:15
Rumour that he wasn't registered in time.

Sounds pretty Everton if true.

Danny Baily
3 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:06:32
Where's Maupay?
Fran Mitchell
4 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:09:15
No Maupay is the big stand-out. Jesus!

But 4 at the back is a change.

But still no striker and the bench looks very uninspiring.

Gordon magic to put an extra £15M on his valuation is required

Ben King
5 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:09:23
Where's Maupay?

Why no strikers... again?!?!!!

We're going down...

Michael Lynch
6 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:10:07
It seems that Maupay needed to be registered by noon on Friday – the last working day before this match – to be eligible.

Fran Mitchell
7 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:11:44
It appears due to yesterday being a Bank Holiday, Maupay was not actually registered until today.

That is just absurd.

Steve Shave
8 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:14:44
I simply can't fucking believe Everton did not get Maupay over the line for this game.

I was spitting feathers we'd left it too late for Brentford. This, if true is a new low for our board!!!!

Neil Lawson
9 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:16:25
Why had no one identified this prior to now?

Ridiculous. Amateurish. It's Everton!

Tony Everan
10 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:16:59
Fuck Me! This is beyond a joke, No Maupay, not registered in time for the game??

Fifth match now with no striker. Hoping for the best tonight but the task has been made more difficult, this is costing us points unnecessarily.

“Frank Lampard has confirmed that, despite being registered on Friday afternoon, Neal Maupay misses out tonight due to Premier League requirements.”

Christy Ring
11 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:18:23
Si, if we're playing tomorrow, Maupay would be okay to play.

If that's true, totally unfair.

Danny O’Neill
12 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:20:13
Lampard not happy with not being able to register Maupay and having a right dig at the Premier League with their non-working day rules for registering players.

He said he'll speak about it more after the match. Get the popcorn ready!

Robert Tressell
13 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:21:45
Looks more robust in central midfield with 3 bodies - but a bit underwhelming up front.

Bizarre situation.

This really is extremely poor from the club.

Perhaps acceptable if they unveil something worth waiting for before the deadline – but really let the fans down if Maupay is it.

James Newcombe
14 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:23:20
I agree Ben 5 - put the house on it. We just about managed part one (staying up), but have made a pigs ear of this window.
Kieran Kinsella
15 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:23:45
In a similar vein, reports from France stating that Gueye is to undergo a medical at Everton 48 hours. Anyway else see a problem with that timeline? As for this one, Frank can complain but let's be honest the club (Thelwell, Bill, whoever) should be up to speed on the rules and regulations. No point whining after the fact. Do you your jobs people.
David West
16 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:25:05
Nice Ben if it wasn't done it wast done
Get over it !!
I'm still optimistic if that's a back 4. Not confident but optimistic.
Let's have a go at them, shackles off front 3 if 3 in middle.

Tony Everan
17 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:27:04
It's just ridiculous, Premier League acting like it's 1922. They can't have a few people working on the Monday before a massive and busy week's football, surely they knew the transfer window was ending this week?

Why not take their holidays when it's quiet or there is a break. No wonder Frank is seething. There again, it's up to us to know the rules inside out.

Kieran Kinsella
18 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:27:24
Not Keane on that bench but I'll stand by my prophecy. 0-5 to Everton.
Ian Riley
19 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:28:02
Sunday league stuff!!
Jerome Shields
20 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:29:38
A lot will be pleased four at the back and three in midfield. Frank must not fancy Keane in a back five. We should be grateful for small mercies. Hopefully the midfield will not be walk through.

The forward play should be more supported, but will need earlier substitutions in the second half for tactical changes. We can't sit back to see the game out.

Colin Malone
21 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:32:48
No leader in midfield. { Allan ]

Ive seen some poor players but great leaders on the pitch, Vinnie Jones, Robbie Savage. Allan is a great leader, also a great player. Ask Ancelotti.

Get a fucking grip Frank or is it Clement?

Mike Keating
22 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:33:26
Were Lampard and the board not aware of these regs?

They may be stupid rules but what is worse is that our club signed an attacker at last only to discover that he can’t play - pathetic management yet again!

Craig Walker
23 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:36:19
Watch Gordon get a bad injury so he’s out and we can’t play him or sell him. That’d be just Everton.
Matthew Williams
24 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:38:15
Our board are simply not fit for purpose,at least we're playing with a back four...as for tonight's game,another draw coming.
David West
25 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:40:37
Craig 23 just don't play our best player then ?? Come on lad! Sometimes wish had the option to block some posters, so I don't have to read their depressing shit !!!
Ray Roche
26 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:43:34
So, Saturday, Sunday and BH Monday aren’t working days. WTF? Why are games being played then? Is that not work? All the people involved at every level must be volunteering.
And in the FA Headquarters, where it’s still 1953, someone’s put the kettle on. 🤦🏼‍♂️
Jay Harris
27 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:45:20
Still expect a back 3 with Myolenko and Iwobi in as a wingback.
Davies and Onana holding Mf.

I can’t believe Mcneill should start before some of those subs if players have to justify their place. Personally I would have put Allan or WArrington into this game.

David West
28 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:46:21
As for the Premier Leauge, it's 2022, surely someone working from home could press a button on their iPhone to get players registered.

Yes we should know the rules, but the players play Boxing Day, New Year's Day, Bank Holidays... what a joke!

Isn't every day a working day for the Premier Leauge, we have matches everyday of the week with no exception.

Will Mabon
29 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:47:58
It's one thing buying cheap players. Then not being able to play them is another level altogether. Bank Holiday the obstacle, I guess they'd say - blame it on the boogie.

Not going to even try with a prediction; anything could happen tonight.

Andy Walker
30 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:49:29
Davies. FFS. As long as he gets a game we ain’t good enough.
Raymond Fox
31 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:49:39
If there was a championship for moaning fans, we would win hands down.

As for tonight, I'll be suprised if we win, we are just a moderate team.
What do they call them... journeyman professionals.

I think a point will be a good result. That's not moaning, by the way!

David West
32 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:49:46
Will. some might blame it on the "good times " ;)
Kieran Byrne
33 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:50:25
Damn... thought our new striker would bag a brace tonight but might as well save it for the next game!!

Like the formation & line up, we've got the players to be flexible & not rigid in the 3-5-2.

We're going to be quicker, faster... let's start scoring some goals!

Also think that finally we've got a manager who knows that Keane is shite & should always be our 6th or 7th choice centre-back til he's sold

I say we win 3-1 Gordon, Gray & Iowbi

Ciarán McGlone
34 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:55:30
4 at the back... Alleluia!
Sean O’Hanlon
35 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:58:05
Leeds 3 Everton 1 - with our joint top scorer, OG getting one for us!
Will Mabon
36 Posted 30/08/2022 at 19:58:26
David, of course...
Craig Walker
37 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:00:16
David I wasn’t saying that. I’m saying it’d be typical of our luck.
Will Mabon
38 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:00:38
Ciarán - hope it plays out that way.
Mike Dolan
39 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:07:49
Maupay not registered because player registrations can't happen because of holiday. How frigging amateur is that?

The powers that run this league need to be fired. They are incompetent, did they not notice that football is played on weekends and holidays?

Mind blowingly idiotic and Micky Mouse. I'm stunned.

Mick Roberts
40 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:08:20
Sitting back again... fucking Lampard will never learn.
David West
41 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:14:06
Anyone have a stream app or link ?
Rob Jones
42 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:47:33
We're doing well, and we're playing four at the back.


You know what isn't delightful?

The miserable folk on the forum. I honestly feel like they'd be happier if we lose, it would validate their ceaseless need to gripe.

George Cumiskey
43 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:50:56
McNeil shocking!
Ciarán McGlone
44 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:51:17
Far more composed and in control at the back... Patterson defending very well.

Think we could push up more but can't argue with what we're at. Midfield working hard and we'll... replace Gordon with Gallagher? No thanks.

Frankly, I'd replace Tom... he's very quiet - the daft yellow card no doubt playing its part.

Ernie Baywood
45 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:52:22
Back 4, midfield 3 looks a lot better.

No lack of effort. And I quite like seeing us happy to be hated.

I've never seen a player turnaround in my life like Alex Iwobi. It never happens.

Craig Walker
46 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:52:54
Decent half. I like the spirit. We need to do better in possession because we give the ball away too cheaply.

I would like to see Gray offer more up front. Cut out any stupid mistakes or fouls near our box and we can win this.

David West
47 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:55:02
Got the game on.

We are doing a good job, not giving them much. Bit of composure going forward and we could get a few here.

Still look a bit shaky at set-peices, but I'd say it's a 4-1-4-1 when we don't have the ball, 4-3-3 with it.

Onana is a beast, 20 years of age... Wow!

Dave Williams
48 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:56:14
Rob #42

The forum is always the same and it's best not to go there unless you want to hear how dreadful every one of our players is!

They are of course entitled to their opinions and to express them – it doesn't suit everyone!!

Oliver Molloy
49 Posted 30/08/2022 at 20:59:48
Jesse Marsch is a 100% pretentious fucking prick. I will love it If we can go again and win this game.


Fran Mitchell
50 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:00:01
A midfield 3 makes a big difference.

Davies a weak link and McNeill really looks to be struggling, very ineffectual.

Onana looks a beast, and Patterson is impressive. Iwobi is an excellent player, and Gordon is growing in confidence and really looks to be stepping it up – excellent play and finish for the goal.

Would have liked to see what Warrington could have done in Davies's position, at least for 15-20 minutes.

Onana may struggle to last the 90, he's very impressive. Wonder who will replace him (please god not Gomes).

Really need a 2nd goal.

David West
51 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:00:28
Craig 46.

Agree it looks like they are pulling together, digging in when needed
Patterson and Mykolenko so much better at full-back...

Compared to last season, the way this team is running and battling is like chalk n cheese.

Neil Tyrrell
52 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:01:18
Does Jesse Marsch wake up livid, spend the whole day livid, then go to bed livid? His blood pressure must be off the charts.

Guess he attended the Klipperty clown college of sideline demeanor.

Paul Smith
53 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:02:05
We've played better this season and got nothing.

Who was it on the left who let the ball go for a Leeds throw thinking it was ours? For fuck's sake, I'm watching on a mobile phone 300 miles away and could see it came off our player. We need more possession.

Simon Dalzell
54 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:03:23
David 41. A bit late. mygoaltv.org. or firstrowsports.eu
Rob Jones
55 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:04:23
Dave, it's just a negativity loop, feeding itself.

The club do make me angry, but I just cannot see the point in relentless mocking and attacking our own players. It doesn't matter whether the players read it or not, I just don't see how it's productive for us as a fanbase when it was relentless support and positivity that raised us from the dead in the spring.

Nicolas Piñon
56 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:05:39
The vast majority of goals appear from minute 80 onwards...

That's when I begin to get my frayed nerves!!

George Cumiskey
57 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:16:10
McNeil... fucking shocking!
George Cumiskey
58 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:18:14
Get McNeil and Davies off!!!
Jim Bennings
59 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:50:24
Disappointed that we haven't finished our chances yet again.

Another winnable game gone begging.

Jim Bennings
60 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:51:50
Should be fuckin kicking ourselves that we've let so many games pass by without a striker.
David Price
61 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:53:39
Make some subs!!!! Ffs they're knackered... every player is exhausted.

Such an improvement on last season, Frank is making us a team that's difficult to beat.

Colin Malone
62 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:54:11
Fuck off, Lampard. Don't you know you can use 5 subs.

Leeds were there for the taking. Knobhead!

George Cumiskey
63 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:55:15
McNeil shocking, Davies shocking, Gray shocking!

Lampard making no subs, shocking!!

Jim Bennings
64 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:55:29
The leaves will be on the ground before we win a game of football.

Disappointed yet again that we seem to have time-wasting ambitions of just dribbling over the 40-point margin by May.

I'm awaiting judging Moshiri after the window closes anyway.

Ernie Baywood
65 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:56:20
Some good, some bad. No idea why we wouldn't make any subs.

McNeil puts his shift in but he's so anaemic. Lacking in intensity and strength.

If we have a striker, then we win that game.

Jim Bennings
66 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:57:29
Okay, now Saturday... show me a fuckin centre-forward on the pitch.

Should have been 6 points better off so far if we'd had a finisher.

Rob Jones
67 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:57:56
Stunned that he didn't use any subs.

I'd have taken the point pre-match. But honestly, we could have taken 6 points from these two games had we shown the tiniest bit of nous.

However, he's abandoned five at the back.

See you for the usual circus on Thursday, boys and girls.

Joe Digney
68 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:58:38
Hard watch that once again, but on the chances it could of gone either way albeit Leeds having more of the ball and showing more intent.

The fact Frank didn't make one substitution speaks volumes of what he thinks of the quality in the squad; no-one on that bench could've made a difference and that's very worrying. 2 days left of the window and ideally you'd need 4 players, for some reason, I just can't see that happening.

Patterson my MotM. He kept that Harrison fairly quiet and on another day he buries his chance and we go home with the 3 points, all about fine margins this game.

Michael Williams
69 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:58:47
I wonder if we saw Gordon play for us for the last time.
Fran Mitchell
70 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:59:12
Those moaning at no subs, did you see the subs bench? There was nothing there that would have given us a better chance of winning.

Gray was a whisper from getting the winner, and Patterson had a top chance to win it. So from that, Lampard got it right.

Leeds played well and at 100%, as expected.

5 days ago, most here predicted 2 defeats. We got 2 draws, so that's positive. We could have won, and with a striker, we probably would have.

Add Gueye to that midfield, a fit Calvert-Lewin, Maupay and an alternative winger or forward and we'll be okay.

Danny Baily
71 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:59:27
Well, that sounded like a better performance than at Brentford. I was surprised at no subs until I saw the bench.

And I've changed my mind, Gordon can stay!

Sam Hoare
72 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:59:28
Decent point at an intimidating ground against a very energetic team.

Replace Davies with Gueye and McNeil (who was a bit better tonight and did some good defensive work) and Gray with Maupay and Calvert-Lewin, and there could be a decent team in there.

Neil Tyrrell
73 Posted 30/08/2022 at 21:59:52
A milimetre offside from 3 points.

Frank sending a message — not even warming up any subs, needs viable options.

Kieran Kinsella
74 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:00:32

Agreed. Other than the unknown of Mills, there wasn't a lot on that bench.

Craig Walker
75 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:00:45
Some positives but we need to be far better with the ball. We surrender possession from our own throw-ins and corners.

Onana was good at breaking play up but got dispossessed as he tired. Patterson needs to score there.

I thought Gray was poor tonight and Iwobi was sloppy in the second half.

We look more solid though. Urgently need creativity and firepower. Gueye walks into the team ahead of Davies.

Thought it was a decent point given the squad and how they've started at home.

Ciarán McGlone
76 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:01:23
Odd stuff from Lampard.

Needed changes from about 55 minutes.. .specifically McNeill and Davies... and nothing materialised.

Would've taken a point before the game but again I find myself questioning Lampard.

Decent shift from most of the players but this backs-against-the-wall, inviting pressure, needs to stop.

Jay Harris
77 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:02:23
Thought it was a fair result. We did well all considered but I get frustrated that we sit back when we go in front.

It was obvious when we went forward that Leeds were porous at the back.
It took them to equalize to wake us up.

If we can't keep clean sheets, we need more goals.

George Cumiskey
78 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:02:35
If Davies and McNeil play on Saturday, it could be another Bournemouth score!
Jim Bennings
79 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:03:31
It's obvious that it's gonna be a fight to stay up again this season.

We can't win games, we've won 6 league games since December last year and 1 away game since August last year.

Liverpool and Arsenal up next, two losses no doubt and a place in the bottom three by the end of September.

It's starting to take a familiar theme already.

Peter Warren
80 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:03:35
We played better after conceding. Unlucky that neither Onana nor Patterson didn't put away their chances.
Mike Allison
81 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:03:48
Please let this be the start of playing 4 at the back. Add Gueye and Calvert-Lewin for Davies and McNeil and we've got an XI.

We still need some decent recruitment in order to have a bench. Please never play Iwobi out wide ever again, the lad is a cracking central/attacking midfielder.

George, 63, we didn't have any subs worth bringing on. No-one was shocking and Gray was excellent. Ran his legs off and fought for everything.

Blatantly ‘level' for his winning goal too. In position to score another winner when Patterson hit Meslier as well.

Jim, 64, the leaves are on the ground now mate.

Gordon, Patterson, Onana and maybe even McNeil if well coached will all be quality players.

Oliver Molloy
82 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:04:21
Got to be honest, first game I think we were unlucky not to win, had we a striker we would have won that.

Fucking hair away with Grays's goal and the Leeds guy knew fuck all about Onana's goal-bound shot. By the way, once this young man has really settled and learns more about the Premier League, he will be a monster.

Jesse Marsch — 100% prick.

So then it will just have to be... our first 3 points will be against the Kopites!

Phillip Warrington
83 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:05:24
Everton are at fault, they bought him a week ago, why wait to the last minute to register Neal Maupay?

The board shows again how unprofessional they are, it is their job to know all the rules that govern how Everton operate in the Premier League.

David Hallwood
84 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:06:30
Did anyone see who we had on the subs bench, and how they would've made a difference to our play? I think Frank was making a statement how bad our squad is.

It'll be like turning an oil tanker round; who'd ever thought we'd be longing for mid-table mediocrity?

Kevin Prytherch
85 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:10:28
More a case of 2 points lost than a point gained. We had no reason to sit back as much as we did at the start of the second half, we invited pressure and it told. If we'd have started that half like we did after we conceded, then we draw that game.

We looked visibly tired as the game wore on. I can only presume that Keane, Allan, Gomes and Rondon are all free to leave.

We've not won yet, but we've not been battered. We've played 5 games without a striker and lost twice, both by a single goal.

We won't be in a relegation fight.

David West
86 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:10:49
Fran 70.

Agree not all doom and gloom. Last season, Leeds would've had us off easy there. We aren't disintegrating like last season. Chances to win it near the end.
A lot thought we wouldn't have any points by now.

Patterson is a massive plus. Only gonna get better. Onana a plus gonna get better. The more that back four play together, the stronger we will get.

Frank's so limited at the moment with the bench. Are they all gonna be fucked for the derby?? Who knows, but crying out for Maupay to be there tonight, imo with him we would've won that.

Robert Tressell
87 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:11:26
Frustrating not to take 3 points. Would have done with a striker, I am sure.

Hard to take but encouraging signs. Including from Lampard who showed he is not too stubborn to change formation. We looked better for the extra body in midfield too.

As others have said, add Gueye and Calvert-Lewin and that's a decent-looking side.

Kunal Desai
88 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:11:40
Two points from 2 tough away games, just a shame we haven't done more to take points from our home fixtures.

Unbeaten in 4 in all competitions but winless in 5 in the league.

Rick Tarleton
89 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:14:22
The offside decision was farcical, feet behind the Leeds player, elbow in front!

The VAR is a system to confirm the referee's decision. In most cases, it gives the equivalent of an umpire's call in cricket. In other words, whatever you decided,ref, is okay with us.

We probably didn't deserve a win, but nor did Leeds.

Brian Hennessy
90 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:15:03
I was screaming for subs at the 65-minute mark, thinking we would tire and lose the game. To Lampard's credit, we kept our shape and could have nicked it. Maybe we are a fitter team than last season.

A bench of Begovic, Keane, Allan, Gomes, Coleman, Vinagre, Rondon, Mills, Welch - not exactly any stand-out players there that could have made a difference.

Patterson was impressive again, Iwobi and Onana did pretty well. McNeil, in fairness to him, did the defensive work when needed.

Our first win of the season will come on Saturday.

Justin Doone
91 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:15:22
Good away point against an in-form team.

If you can't win, don't get beat!

Yes, the lack of a win and failing to keep a clean sheet is a little disappointing, but at least we are picking up points.

Let's see what the next few weeks bring?

Fran Mitchell
92 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:15:33
Those being pessimistic saying Liverpool and Arsenal are gonna be losses.We can win both. We need to hold on to the ball better, but we look like we're getting better.

Onana is a real talent, raw, rough around the edges, but there's a player there.

Patterson also looks excellent. should have done better with his chance, but his energy was excellent, his defensive recovery also.

Gray looks much better and returning to his best.

Gordon looks to be stepping it up; he's gonna get a lot of attention, gonna be fouled a lot, but he's got great talent and will get 10+ goals (should he remain).

Coady and Tarkowski look as solid a defensive partnership as we've had in years.

Iwobi wasn't at his best today, but was still energetic, has great control and skill and made a goal with a great pass.

These are all plusses to take from the game.

Add Gana for Davies and we'd have much more control in midfield.

Add Calvert-Lewin for McNeil and we'd have a striker to stretch the opposition and bully defenders and not just rely on through balls on the counter.

Add Maupay to the bench and we have options to change things, unlike today.

Add hopefully another winger or forward and ideally a creative midfielder and we could be decent.

Reservedly confident that we'll be okay this season.

Will Mabon
93 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:17:46
"Pinks" :-)
Colin Glassar
94 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:18:31
The improvement since last season is huge but we need someone to be on the end of some of those chances we create.
Steavey Buckley
95 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:18:46
The beginning of this season is far worse than last season under Benitez. The subs bench for tonight's game was so bad, Frank Lampard did not take anyone off.
Christy Ring
96 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:19:33
Another tough point away from home with no striker. The only sub who could have done a job was Allan, but he missed pre-season, so can't fault Frank.

Gueye on the way and hopefully a couple of surprise signings. Hopefully he'll stick to four at the back.

Dale Self
97 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:20:07
Rob 42, welcome to the live forum. How it is mate, make some friends in there. ;)

As for the game, I'll go with the comment that given the misses in the second half, Frank largely got it right [Fran 70]. I think I might have made a sub or two but I'm not willing to fire him over it.

And yes, yes, let's celebrate abandoning the 3 at the back.

Will Mabon
98 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:22:20
Dale, noticeable difference wiith the four - and the effect it had in the middle, until they got tired.
Robert Williams
99 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:22:33
Overall I enjoyed the game. Excellent effort by all, Gordon has improved and I now have a conundrum, let him go or stay?

Davies and McNeil seem to have some stick here but IMO both put a good effort in for 90 minutes.

Onana, Iwobi played well as did the back line and Patterson was my man of the match too.

All in all, a half-decent performance, never seen Maupay so don't know whether we would have been better or worse with him.

At least Rondon seems to have had his marching orders – another positive. COYBBs

Jamie Crowley
100 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:24:48
I might be the only person who wasn't negative about the game?

Good point on the road. I actually didn't think we played poorly.

Onana is just fantastic. We were pretty solid at the back. Patterson is really coming on. Iwobi is a revelation in midfield. Get a striker out there and we'll create more chances.

Today was a day where I thought, if we continue forward and keep that effort we showed today, we'll be just fine. And I've been worried.

We played pretty well in my opinion.

Paul Ferry
101 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:29:48
It was a well-earned point that, I think, most of us would have taken at 1-59/7-59.

But my God we need to stop sitting so deep when we go ahead and that back four looked as bad as the back five with no midfield movement for a long half-hour after we scored.

Patterson and Gordon were very good with Iwobi not too far behind. There were times when Gordon looked sublime. Was hoping for the cash plus players Chelsea deal, but not so sure now if we could get say

Steve Cotton
102 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:30:21
Frank was making a point with no subs.
Christy Ring
103 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:30:39
Marsch is a total wind-up artist, always confrontational, and Leeds fans the most toxic in the Premier League.

Hopefully we'll have Maupay on Saturday, Gueye maybe Calvert-Lewin on the bench and a couple of new signings.

Kevin Molloy
104 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:30:48
Fair play, that was much much better. I thought we would be on the wrong end of a thumping tonight.

I'm so pleased he seems to have ditched the back 5, and the full-backs are starting to look rock solid.

What a diamond we have in Gordon. Surely he won't be sold now, I reckon he'll get 10 goals this season, and put £20M on his price tag.

Dale Self
105 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:33:09
Yes Will, the extra man in the middle makes the difference. With time and some more intelligence in the side, maybe Frank will have another go at the 3 in the back since Thelwell is probably recruiting under that preference.

Some of that seems to be driven by the desire to play out of the back but, as long as we can get forward quickly as we did in the first half, I don't see the need.

Rob Dolby
106 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:33:26
Good point away at Leeds.

Both sides lacking quality up top. Good decision from Lampard in packing the midfield – just a shame Onana or Patterson couldn't take their chances.

The VAR decision is making a joke of the game. Everyone wants to see more goals in football, not less. Make 'level' onside and see more goals, not lines being drawn from someone's armpit.

Oh and their manager is a right head-case. He will cause trouble this season with those antics.

Sam Hoare
107 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:34:25
Marsch said after the game that they got lucky with the VAR call. And he's not wrong.

We had the better chances in the last 15 minutes and it's a shame (though understandable) that we lack the confidence to press high and use the ball well when in the lead.

Si Cooper
108 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:37:16
On plus side, we are getting harder to beat; on down side, we are miles away from being able to maintain decent possession.

Onana should get stronger and Iwobi is now a right pest for opposition but we need someone who can free them from their defensive duties more often.

Gana could be the one, Doucoure might settle into it if he can accept a more disciplined role (big if).

How is it acceptable that you could register a player to play on Saturday if you signed him by midday last Friday, but if he signed 4 hours later he still wouldn't be available 4 days later? Just not reasonable and the authorities should have had something in place to complete Maupay's registration this morning to enable him to play this evening.

It's been quite a while that the shoulder has been included as a goal-scoring part of the body and therefore part of the VAR considerations. It might be a bit odd but it is consistently applied from what I've seen.

Lee Courtliff
109 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:37:50
Last season, we definitely would have lost both of our last 2 games. Without doubt.

Promising signs and wouldn't it just be typical of the Football Gods that our first win comes against them!!

Bill Gienapp
110 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:38:47
Obviously and understandably, there'll be a lot of nervous hand-wringing until we get that first win of the season, but part of the reason we ran into trouble last season was an inability to get those hard-fought draws – particularly on the road. The points add up.

If we can bring in at least one more decent attacker in addition to Gueye, that'll be a pretty solid window, all things considered.

And if Gordon stays, I feel pretty confident that he'll comfortably hit double figures this season. Those were two quality finishes.

Peter Mills
111 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:40:21
It was important that we got some reward from a match we put a great deal of effort into.

It wasn't a footballing performance that gave me a warm, cosy glow, but it was the type of display we have been crying out for, all the players battled hard and refused to be intimidated by the crowd, a rough team and a very tiresome manager.

The time-wasting by Pickford was annoying to watch, but it was annoying for Leeds too, and broke the flow of the game. The foot-up by Davies was stupid.

Good performances by the back 4, Onana and Iwobi, and some very hard work by the rest, even those who didn't produce very much.

I haven't been impressed with us so far this season, but this was better, a well-earned point.

Colin Glassar
112 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:40:42
We deserved points from all five games we've played so far.

The team is improving with each game but we need that extra bit of quality in midfield and, for god's sake, a striker!!

Mike Morgan
113 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:41:09
Much happier with 4-3-3, players were comfortable with their positions. Work rate was great, just need a proper centre-foward to hold the ball up and score some goals. Then gradually improve the quality.

But I don't think Thelwell will be happy abandoning 5 at the back. Could mean a conflict between manager and Director of Football and we've all seen what that leads to.

Oliver Molloy
114 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:46:26
For fuck's sake, who in their right mind would let Gordon leave in this window - they would be mental, no matter what money was offered.

Totally confident Gordon stays. Have you seen our next six fixtures, without Gordon?

Chelsea will try and sign Zaha.

Jerome Shields
115 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:46:48
Wasn't able to watch the match, but 4 at the back and three in midfield seems to have made a difference.

If I had been watching I would have been crying out for substitutions in the second half. But Frank seems to only make substitutions where he is forced to and as more of a time-wasting ploy in the dying minutes of the game. But he did not even do that in this game.

A centre-forward and Gueye would certainly help. Keane in a back five was too much even for Frank.

Another point is welcome.

Derek Thomas
116 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:49:03
4-3-3; any coincidence we looked solider?

One daft goal apart, kept our shape, everybody was supporting everybody else.
Sometimes bringing on a sub can disrupt things not improve them.

Most, if offered, would've taken a point at Leeds.

Actual paper forms? Premier League closed Bank Holiday weekend? Do they still have those shuttle things on wires like the old Co-Op and close at 1:00 pm on Wednesdays...

Ger Gordon – fetch yer cloth.

Paul Jones
117 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:49:25
Steve @102. You lost me there. Exactly what point was Lampard trying to make?

From my perspective, it was a dull first half but I thought Leeds were poor. We ceded possession to them when we could have taken the initiative and put another 1 or 2 goals past them. I think we're better than they are but the players don't feel the same. Is that an issue with them or Lampard? I genuinely don't know.

Second half, they woke up and finally seized the initiative. I'm frustrated by our inability to thread 3+ passes together. We look more assured at the back but everything breaks down from midfield forwards. Can't see the RS having as much possession as Leeds and not killing us.

Steps in the right direction but an inferiority complex points me in the direction of a season where we can only dream of 15th or 16th place.

John Keating
118 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:51:09

We are not far off.

Another striker, Gueye and an attacking midfielder, then we are sure to finish 16th.

Danny O’Neill
119 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:52:37
Well, I wasn't there, but managed to watch the match in a local sports bar in Florida. Fortunately the owner was from Oldham and switched the main screen from Southampton v Chelsea to the Leeds v Everton match.

We continue to perform. We controlled the first half and looked good, even without a striker for the 5th game this season. With the impending new additions and continued performances like this, the wins will come.

We almost weathered the inevitable Leeds storm early in the second half. It's harsh on Pickford as a couple of saves he made earned us a point. But without wishing to upset to Goalkeeper's Union, I thought he was at error on 2 counts for the goal. Kick the ball to the channel, not down the middle. And then he was static for the shot. Totally wrong-footed.

Positive point. Patterson could / should have won it.

Everton Man of the Match? I'm torn between the ever-improving Iwobi and Patterson. I think I'll edge towards Patterson. Bags of potential there in my opinion.

Mike Price
120 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:52:45
I just wish we'd have got Zaha not Iwobi and maybe spent the McNeil money on Traore from Wolves. Imagine that pace and threat compared to what we've got.
Will Mabon
121 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:55:04
Dale @105 and Mike :@113:

One game only but tonight could be pivotal in terms of the team shape, there were several immediate and obvious positives.

The Thelwell thing is a real consideration, being as he is, the author of a book on the subject (not read it).

Could potentially become an impasse down the road, and then what? Buck has to stop somewhere.

Dale Self
122 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:58:46
Frank sounded focused on the long-term progress in the post-game interview. Looked kind of relaxed in his delivery which tells me this was an unexpected result and may tip why he made no subs.

He dug in and got a point, sees some spirit growing in the side, and is not married to the 3 at the back. He's not signalling a quick exit from my point of view.

Colin Glassar
123 Posted 30/08/2022 at 22:59:06
Not to worry, John K, Gueye is on his way.
Tony Everan
124 Posted 30/08/2022 at 23:04:27
Looked better with the 4-3-3, Gana, Maupay, Calvert-Lewin back will help us be much stronger. Even though we were under the cosh at times we defended better with the back four. They looked more organised. With the reinforcements we will be winning matches like Brentford, Leeds, Forest.

Standouts, the youngsters did well in a tough environment. Patterson, Onana, Gordon unfazed and improving, a great sign. Iwobi again did well, Pickford was better than at Brentford and the two centre-backs were solid.

McNeil put in a shift and did okay but has to do more offensively and in possession or he will find himself on the bench. The increased competition will be good for him I hope.

Hopefully we get our new players registered time for Saturday, we'll need them if we are to get the win.

Oh, and Frank, what's the deal with the subs?

Danny O’Neill
125 Posted 30/08/2022 at 23:08:41
Apologies, more thoughts from me.

Having Coady and Tarkowski at the back, two leaders, makes a massive difference. They were resolute. That is the type of fixture that the fragile Everton we have recently become accustomed to would have collapsed under the pressure and hostility. None of it, they stood up for themselves and gave as good as they got.

Onana is raw. He makes mistakes but recovers well. Be patient with him. I think he's quality. And with Gueye alongside, he will come good.

A mention for McNeil. He had a much better game.

Poor Demarai Gray (Ole) looked to be running on fumes towards the end and the team was tired. It seemed that Frank wasn't willing to make changes. Not wanting to? Or didn't trust what he had on the bench?

That Leeds manager is an odd one. From about the 20th minute he was holding his arm in the air with his finger seemingly super-glued to his watch. Definitely trying to referee the match.

Lev Vellene
128 Posted 30/08/2022 at 23:29:32
Too bad! But there was no surrender!

So I can only see it as a point won!

Now, with a striker or two...

Bill Gall
129 Posted 30/08/2022 at 23:34:14
Was a hard well-earned point that could have been three. I was surprised with no substitutes but then the manager sees them in training and knows their fitness levels.

There are usually some players who play better than others, but I'd rather say this was a good team effort. The improvements to be made have to be brought in in the next couple of days, not only to improve the starting 11 but to have better backup for injuries and subs.

I just hope there is not too much pressure put on Gordon as I don't believe anyone in the club wants him to leave, and this squad is on track for a 14th to 10th position with the possibility of a decent cup run.

With the 2 goals in 2 matches plus the publicity, Gordon is going to get more rough treatment and it was good to see his teammates getting in quick to back him up.

It seems to me with the players he has brought in, with some of the players he inherited, Lampard has brought in more understanding of the style of play he wants and each players responsibility in it.

Early days yet bur our defense seems to have tightened up, we just need players putting it in the opposite end more often.

Dave Abrahams
130 Posted 30/08/2022 at 23:42:56
Watched some of the game on a hookey stream, gave up, early in the second half. We might have won the game with a bit of luck, we had a couple of good chances in the second half and went close with the offside goal. I thought Pickford was at fault with the goal so not a bad result.

Frank is trying to get some more players in by Thursday night and hopefully they will be registered in time for the derby game, it is patently obvious we need more players in because we can't keep defending for most of the game like we have all season, that type of football pleases nobody and not only frustrates most fans but usually ends with us giving a goal away and a loss of points.

Lev Vellene
131 Posted 30/08/2022 at 23:46:01
Before the game, who fancied us at all? Away to Leeds?

We conceded a goal at the end, but most would have expected the valiant Leeds side to squash us anyway. Who did they entertain recently??? Silver linings! :)

Graham Mockford
132 Posted 30/08/2022 at 23:46:39
Overall, it's been a disappointing start to the season but there are definite green shoots.

We have a bit of character and leadership in the team.

Patterson looks a revelation at full-back.

Iwobi continues to impress.

We have some quality players to return. Calvert-Lewin, Doucouré, Holgate and Godfrey. Add in Gana and Maupay

I wouldn't sell Gordon now, get another year out of him. His value will remain.

Couple of tough games to come, we need a bit of patience.

Negatives. I'm not convinced about Mykolenko, Davies is still not good enough. Jury is out on McNeil but early days and he worked his nuts off tonight.

We'll be okay this season. Trust in Frank.

Ian Riley
133 Posted 30/08/2022 at 23:56:58
It's not a disaster. Just need that win and confidence will grow. The striker situation has put us in the situation. Remember hard work starts from the front.

That lack of pressing will improve with two strikers. Well done tonight lads! Stayed in it and should have won.

There are no easy games. A little luck and hard work wins will come. This squad has quality! Saturday might be the day!

Raymond Fox
134 Posted 30/08/2022 at 00:02:42
A very good point, nothing wrong with draws away from home.
Lev Vellene
135 Posted 30/08/2022 at 00:03:22
Giving no foofh about schtuff: I really hope that Gordon can understand that actually playing most matches for Everton will do him better than sitting on a bench in London...

Dang, Franny and such should give clear warning!

Danny O’Neill
136 Posted 30/08/2022 at 00:11:23
On the plus side. The first win is coming.

I hoped it would be tonight. Guess it will have to be Saturday.

Jamie Crowley
137 Posted 30/08/2022 at 00:15:11
This team will continue to grow.

What do we have? Six? Seven new players playing together for the first time? Familiarity with one another will help us. It's very difficult to assemble a team with that many new players, and expect them to just tick straight away.

Patience will be a very important thing for the next two months. We have a really tough schedule coming up that could easily see us near or in the bottom three at the end of October. I'm not prepared, after this game and all the positives I saw, to over-react until we hit the World Cup break / American Thanksgiving.

This squad will get progressively better over time. I think much better.

And again, approaching man-crush levels, Onana is just incredible. This kid is going to be one hell of a player.

Barry Jones
138 Posted 31/08/2022 at 00:16:39
Robert #99

McNeil is being trashed by just one person on this thread (several times) who seems to have a vendetta against him. McNeil is a very good player who will show his value over the course of the season. He also put in a hard-working shift today and showed some nice glimpses of his ball-carrying ability.

I felt Davies and Gray were the weakest links. Davies was anonymous and I've rarely seen anyone lose the ball as much as Gray. Apart from the odd cracking goal now and again, I am unsure as to what he offers. He is totally frustrating to watch.

Jamie Crowley
139 Posted 31/08/2022 at 00:21:14

McNeil busted his gut to track back and close down today. I thought he was very good.

I believe the kid is 21 years old? He's a great signing and just the type of signing Everton need to be making.

I think our lack of goals is shinning a light on a bunch of players who are accused of "not having any end product". I'll judge them after many games where we have a proper striker in the lineup.

Danny O’Neill
140 Posted 31/08/2022 at 00:30:10
He's 22 Jamie. A young player with potential and still settling into a new club and surroundings.

He can develop and become a player for us.

Danny O’Neill
141 Posted 31/08/2022 at 00:33:02
He's 22 Jamie. A young player with potential and still settling into a new club and surroundings.

He can develop and become a player for us.

Rob Halligan
142 Posted 31/08/2022 at 00:49:08
Not long home, and I cannot believe the utter shite that I'm reading on this thread.

McNeil had probably his best game so far for us, and I thought Tom Davies battled well in midfield. Don't know what the possession percentages were, but I'm guessing Leeds had more of the ball than us, but did next to nothing with it.

Let's not forget the previous homes games for our last two opponents, Brentford putting four past Man Utd and Leeds putting three past Chelsea, and yet some are moaning about us only drawing these last two games. Un-Fucking-believable!

We may well have the best fans in the country, but believe me, very few of them exist on this forum.

Dupont Koo
143 Posted 31/08/2022 at 00:58:40
Davies continues to show us that he has plateaued as a Championship level player.

The less we can see him (and Keane) playing in pivotal games and situations, the better.

Kieran Kinsella
144 Posted 31/08/2022 at 01:02:24
Rob Halligan,

It's easy to get wound up by the handful or extremists but I think 75 percent on here are pretty reasonable. It's just game day seems to draw out the people with the most bizarre views.

Rob Halligan
145 Posted 31/08/2022 at 01:03:58
Kieran, just game day……it’s every fucking day!!
Neil Copeland
146 Posted 31/08/2022 at 01:06:34
I've just got back home from the game and not read all the posts.

Overall I thought we played well tonight against a decent Leeds team and bear pit atmosphere. We had the chances to win it as did Leeds and you know it was a tight offside when the opposition manager admits they were lucky with that one.

Gray may lose possession but he runs his socks off closing down defenders.

McNeil was good defensively but still a bit disappointing going forwards, he is looking better though. His best game to date, I thought, and looked more confident with the formation.

Mykolenko is a bit off at the moment, hope it is just a phase and he rediscovers his form.

Tom Davies was a bit hit and miss, looked good at times and average at others. Had a decent game in general though.

Iwobi has one hell of an engine, he was brilliant first half but a bit complacent at times in the second. He never stops running though.

Anthony Gordon seems to be going over less and looks better for it. Great finish for his goal and carried a threat for most of the game.

Onana is fantastic even if he does get carried away at times. So strong and composed on the ball, unlucky not to score with the one that hit the defender on the head.

Patterson was brilliant, he is rapid, strong, tricky and learning fast. Starting to look like a steal at what we paid for him.

Coady and Tarkowski are looking better the more they are paired together. They both seemed more comfortable with a back four tonight – long may it continue.

Pickford was much better I thought, his kicking improved, his decision-making was better and he was more focussed. Not a lot he could do about the goal as he was unsighted and wrong footed.

We looked much better with 3 in middle, hopefully a sign of things to come. A midfield trio of Onana, Gueye and Iwobi will dominate a lot of teams.

Our football is getting better; yes, we should have more points on the board but there are positives and hopefully with a main striker on the pitch the goals will come.

Enjoyed the game which I thought was very hard fought and decent quality, Dare I say that both teams looked like top half.

David Cooper
147 Posted 31/08/2022 at 01:16:34
What a dickhead Jesse Marsch is! Every time Pickford used the maximum time to take a goal-kick, he was standing there pointing at his watch!

Hilarious to think that a Leeds manager would criticize another team for wasting time! He must have read Ted Lasso's best seller “A Yank on the Touchline”!

Bill Watson
148 Posted 31/08/2022 at 01:20:14
Not long back in after horrendous delays there and back!

The side looks much more solid playing four at the back and it looks like the penny has finally dropped that we need a three-man midfield.

I wonder if the working day 'rule' is a Premier League interpretation or is actually written in the rules? If it's an interpretation, it's wrong as Bank Holidays are normal working days for footballers: eg, Boxing Day and New Year's Day.

Another game we could and should have won but, nevertheless, many positives, not least another brilliant display from Gordon. Maybe the "I'd bite their hand off for £45M" brigade will now admit their stupidity. He's the most exciting player we've produced since Rooney.

Kieran Kinsella
149 Posted 31/08/2022 at 01:23:51

In his interview after Jesse Marsch criticized Everton and said “we are in the entertainment business.”

And there was me thinking it was sport and not wrestling.

Neil Copeland
150 Posted 31/08/2022 at 01:26:14
Kieran, sounds like an opportunity to entertain Leeds and their manager when they come to Goodison.
Neil Copeland
151 Posted 31/08/2022 at 01:28:13
Rob 145, agreed mate.

Bill 158, the traffic jams caused by the roadworks and seemingly unnecessary speed restrictions were horrendous.

Kieran Kinsella
152 Posted 31/08/2022 at 01:33:03

“No surrender” that's an excellent point. On the live forum as with Saturday there were quite a few saying “now we'll lose 3-1.” But we didn't.

And we didn't give up late last season v Newcastle. I think partly Frank has installed some Dutch courage but he's also brought in tough characters like Tarkowski and Coady who don't let their heads drop like Williams or Keane.

That alone doesn't solve our problems but it's an example of Frank identifying and addressing a weakness versus Silva, Koeman, Rafa who all moaned about our character but never took steps to fix it. Ditto defending corners.

I think Frank, other than Carlo, is the only recent manager to try and fix things beyond just spending and who doesn't just act like some things are out of his hands.

Kieran Kinsella
153 Posted 31/08/2022 at 02:42:03

I hope we give them a special reception.

Brian Murray
154 Posted 31/08/2022 at 03:31:52
We are getting one hell of a spine to the team andGana will help that. Onana is a very intelligent lad and he's going to be awesome. Keep it tight again Saturday and we can do them shower.
Alan J Thompson
155 Posted 31/08/2022 at 03:44:26
I've just finished watching the game and have not read any comments but Everton again threw the game away.

I was surprised that Maupay wasn't playing as he wasn't registered but I'd have thought somebody would have noticed that the fax paper, like our strikers, still hadn't been replenished, would and does this happen at any other club?
And why weren't we playing in blue, a clash of shorts?

From what I'd heard and read, I expected to see this non-stop express Leeds team hassling the life out of us but it was the complete opposite and we made Leeds look half paced but, after half an hour, this degenerated into a half-hearted gentle jog in their general direction.

At first glance, it looked like a marvelous move for our goal but the replay showed it was a bit lucky that it went between the defender's legs but you take what you get.

Davies's booking was a bit silly and if he deserved a yellow card then so did the keeper for his reaction and, by the same standard, the 2 or 3 times that Gordon was brought down were deserving of a red card. And how many times I was reminded of the dirty Leeds side of the '60s when every time they contested a header that an elbow went into the Everton player's head? On one the Ref saw it but decided to restart the game with what passes as a "drop ball" these days.

The second half we, again, sat back and let them come onto us and the soft equalizer followed. If Lampard made the wrong substitutions in the last game then he did it again here by not making any when it was crying out for some after 65 minutes.

I also have to question the point in Linesmen as they don't seem to give offsides anymore until VAR tells them to and our disallowed goal was barely discernible as such. And really, is McNeil a £20 Million player? Must have been something more than jam butties in that sandwich bag.

Better effort and a good first half hour but it has to be for the whole game as too must the manager's – which now seems to be that if you do nothing then you can't be accused of getting it wrong. Overall, a bit of an improvement but the effort must be maintained.

Bob Parrington
156 Posted 31/08/2022 at 04:08:05
Barry@138. having read through the entire thread, I was getting the impression it was lots of people who were constantly bitching about O'Neil. So, the one person must be overly "anti" and definitely unfair.

The lad is putting a massive effort in every game and has not had many opportunities to impress up front because he's spending much of his time covering back.

Amazed also that Iwobi still gets some negative from some!

Adam Oakensworth
157 Posted 31/08/2022 at 05:22:09
Agree with a lot of the comments on here.

Gueye, Onana and Iwobi will be a very decent midfield if Frank sticks with 4 at the back. I actually thought Patterson made a few mistakes at the back but his recovery bailed him out. Decent performance overall though and he will only improve.

On the left, I'd like to see Vinagre get a game. He's looked dangerous going forward and Mykolenko hasn't really got going yet.

Now, for the love of god, buy two forwards before the deadline and don't sell Gordon!

Tony Hill
158 Posted 31/08/2022 at 06:57:31
I agree with Dave @130 and I remain concerned by our prospects.
Ian Hollingworth
159 Posted 31/08/2022 at 07:31:39
Definite improvements and we as fans just need to hold our nerve and keep behind the team.
Goals are the key and they will come
Either team could have won it and we couldn’t say that in too many away games last season
Tony Abrahams
160 Posted 31/08/2022 at 08:02:35
I was thinking the same thing when I started reading this thread Rob H. I might go on and bore people when I talk about Mr Good Times, but some people only post when Everton don’t win. Prophets of doom, or the scene in goodfellas, when Tommy talks about impending danger, but surely these people should now be millionaires, the way they’ve got an uncanny knack of constantly predicting Everton’s next two losses!
Mick O'Malley
161 Posted 31/08/2022 at 08:06:14
Rob @142 I completely agree with you, I’m sick of this sack the manager crew, it has gotten us absolutely nowhere, last season we would have lost that game, there is definite signs of improvement, it’s a youngish side that’s played half a dozen games together, it’s a slow process but I can definitely see an improvement, it will help a lot when we’ve got a centre forward on the pitch, we’ve hopefully got Gana to come back and help stiffen up soon he midfield, Onana looks a star in the making and I thought Patterson played well, we’ll get better the more they play together UTFT
Andy Meighan
162 Posted 31/08/2022 at 08:24:34
I'd agree with Adam 157. We have got to play 4 at the back, playing 5 leaves us light in midfield. As most have alluded to 3 in midfield makes us more compact and able to create more. We are a work in progress alright but that's nothing that a decent striker won't put right. I just hope we don't run out of time.
Brian Murray
163 Posted 31/08/2022 at 08:29:47
If we can get buyers or loans for gomes rondon and keane i’m sure that will help with targets preferably today. Always precarious and a hiding to nothing leaving it the last few hours.
Ciarán McGlone
164 Posted 31/08/2022 at 08:35:33
I'm always intrigued by posters who are incredulous and incensed by the 'shite' they read on these matchday threads.

If you're not a fan of opinions that don't accord with your own, then this is hardly the place for you. The bathroom mirror may be more appropriate.

For what it's worth I thought Davies was quiet after the yellow card and although McNeil put a lot of graft in he gave the ball away a lot. Both looked knacked and fresh legs wouldn't given us some impetus.

I think we'll win on Saturday.

Trevor Peers
165 Posted 31/08/2022 at 08:39:44
Changing the formation to 4-3-3 was the catalyst to a much improved performance and I really hope Frank has learned his lesson and sticks with it.

Playing 5 at the back is disastrous, surrendering the midfield just invites the opposition in to destroy our defence. Gordon is finally adding invaluable goals to his obvious talent, so now we just need Maupay and DCL to come in and fire us to some vital victories during the next few months.

Maybe then we can start to breathe a bit easier, there's still a long way to go but the work ethic shown last night certainly points us in the right direction providing we can do it consistently.

Raymond Fox
166 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:04:11
Have to agree with the comment that some posters never have a good word to say about the players and club.
Its ok obviously to criticise but not all the bloody time.

Try praising a player sometimes you might feel better.

Brian Harrison
167 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:11:35
Reading some of the comments I must have watched a completely different game. I don't see a lot of improvement from last season, I see a team whose only attacking thought is to hit teams on the break, then when out of possession get all 10 men in and around our own box. I havent checked but I would imagine our possession stats in all our games so far have us with less possession than our opponents.

I see a manager who during the 5 games we have played has used 3-5-2, 5-2-3 and last night a 4-3-3. In those games he has played McNeil, Gray, Gordon and Rondon as the main striker. So if I am confused I guess the players are as well. Regarding the Maupay shambles, did nobody involved in the registering of players know the rules about Sat,Sun and bank holidays not counting as working days. Also why didnt somebody at Goodison ring the FA on the Friday to check what time Maupay had to be registered in order for him to be able to play in the Leeds game.

Lampard said after the game its not ideal playing these 5 games without a proper striker, he has had 8 weeks since he sold Richarlison. And if Maupay is really his choice he could have signed him weeks ago, and only moved for him when he was about to sign for Fulham.
Despite everybody saying we look more solid at the back well 5 games in and yet to keep a clean sheet, and I tend to think that Villa, Forest and Leeds will be in the bottom half of the league come the end of the season.

Yes we could have won the game last night, I am not convinced the Gray goal was offside and even Marsch said after the game he thought they got lucky with that decision. Both Onana and Patterson also had great chances to win the game. But I just hate this ultra negative approach we have to games. I also couldn't understand Lampard playing Onana in the middle of the 3, the lad is new to the league and he is still adjusting to the pace of the Premier league and got caught in possession a couple of times. To me he looks much more comfortable running at the opposition, not being at this time in his career a holding midfielder.

Lets hope between now and the deadline we sign another striker, and hopefully if he finally signs then Gueye can slot into the holding midfield role, and let Iwobi and Onana join the attack.

I know many posters will say 2 draws away from home is OK and it is but I just think if we had been more positive in both games we could and should have got more out of these games. I don't want to see us play so negatively, we have signed 2 CBs to make us stronger so why are we defending so deep as we did last season.

I am sure many will come on giving me stick for this negative post but its just my opinion and I am probably in the minority and thats fine because it would be boring if we all viewed the game the same way.

Lee Robinson
168 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:12:54
Everyone knows we are missing a striker but In my opinion we are missing that classy midfielder/playmaker. Someone in the Ruben Neves mould who can sit in midfield with Iwobi/Gana or Onana, just to be able to help control the midfield and link better with the attackers.
Kevin Molloy
169 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:17:19
Lee yes. A Darron Gibson player is exactly what we haven't got. Someone who puts the correct weight on their passes and spreads play.
Brian Harrison
170 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:20:33
Raymond 166

Just to balance my earlier post which you no doubt put me in the "not having a good word to say group".
I think Onana is going to be a very good player, Iwobi has become unrecognisable under Lampard. I really like 4-3-3 and I think both Patterson and Mykolenko are good young fullbacks. I think Anthony Gordon has took over the Richarlison role and I will stick my neck out and say I think he will go to the World Cup with England. Gray is also starting to have the same impact as he did under Benitez, and like Gordon is starting to add goals to his game.

Allan Board
171 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:23:56
4 unbeaten, and 3 away. Teams are allowed to shoot at our goal also. Bit fortunate their goal I thought-he didn't mean to put it in the near post,never.
Put our strikers on the pitch then the season will start for real.
Who gives a shit about the shite? Not me,different season, new game,another opportunity to shut the shite community up that's all.
Christopher Timmins
172 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:28:50
Given that we went into the game missing 5 potential starters in Holgate, Godfrey, Mina, The Duke and DCL and failed to register Maupay in time we did well to come away with anything last night.

One can only home that when those who are injured return and when Maupay and hopefully, Gueye are registered to play things will improve and we will move away from a possible relegation struggle.

Stu Darlington
173 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:31:18
Despite the many negative comments on here,there were definite signs of improvement in this game.
The Everton of last season would have caved and lost this game with their chins on their chests
Last night there was evidence of leadership and communication from Coady in particular and many notable individual performances
The formation and more bodies in mid field helped but the attitude of the whole team seemed more determined.
McNeil seems to have taken the title of fans whipping boy away from Iwobi,which seems very unfair to me as I thought he had a good game last night as did Patterson
We are obviously still lacking quality upfront and in attacking midfield which may be resolved in the next 48 hours but with players returning from injury and a slightly less challenging fixture list l am beginning to feel we are on the right track.
Can’t believe what I’ve just written after last season,better go for a lie down in a darkened room!
Christine Foster
174 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:32:07
We are three quarters of the way towards a decent team. With DCL back and Maupey, we have just enough but we need two midfielders and one more striker.
What we get is likely to be just Gana. I think Lampard has not just reduced the options for Chelsea getting Gordon by saying the door is shut, he has also been very clever in making sure if Gordon is a last minute sale, it's not on him but the board. It will put them in a difficult position..about time..well in Frank!
For me, Patterson works hard but so lacks positional sense, the defense looks better as a four and three in the middle, but still believe a play maker is needed as we can then shuffle between a 4-4-2 and a 4-3-3.. Onana is going through a culture shock, he is going to take a month or so to hype up his fitness and endurance but still looks immense. Grey for me shows flashes of excellence but his overall team play and decision making I'd poor..Gordon offers more with a striker as he has more room to run at defenders..
All in all, we won't be winning titles, but we will win matches..lampard has done the basics, improve the spine, make it difficult to score against, put leaders on the pitch and fight for each other.
Dave Cashen
175 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:55:46
Partly agree Brian - post 167

But I'm definitely seeing a little more guile. The pass to Gordon at Brentford was precision. As was the ball he received last night. Another couple of defence splitting passes to Gray in the last two matches very nearly produced winning goals. He squandered the one on Saturday and was flagged off by the narrowest of margins last night. For too long the words "defence splitting pass" and Everton have not belonged in the same sentence. We don't seem to have worked on creativity for years.

I'm quietly optimistic that the goals will start to come when we get strikers in. Especially if the final pass continues to improve

Oliver Molloy
176 Posted 31/08/2022 at 09:57:27
I predict Jesse Marsch sideline "hand on watch" theatrics ( and the rest ) will come back to haunt him before the season is out.
This fella likes the limelight doesn't he, lets see what happens when it all goes pear shaped and it will!.
100% prick.
Steavey Buckley
177 Posted 31/08/2022 at 10:17:21
Everton's season has been damaged already because of there no availability of any competent strikers, that has lost the team at least 6 points.
Lee Robinson
178 Posted 31/08/2022 at 10:18:22
I thought the ref was hard work tonight, Gordon doesn't seem to get any decisions going his way. I was dissapointed we seemed to lose every second ball in midfield (Gana and Garner will be good additions) and also Gray and Gordon won very little or managed to hold onto it when the ball was lofted up to them (granted it's not their game), but due to this we just kept inviting more and more pressure and getting deeper.

We looked better after they scored, I think a good striker who we can build attacks from will help. The defence genuinely looks fantastic, and I can see the basis of a good side thats hard to beat being built.

Would be nice to see Warrington for some calm possession play when required, hopefully he can be slowly integrated.

I have seen enough of McNeil over the years to know we have a very good player, thought last night he was pivotal in helping out defensively but if we can get the best out of him attcking wise he will be hugely benefical.

Allan Board
179 Posted 31/08/2022 at 10:31:46
Oliver@176,agree. I find it most amusing when anyone connected to Leeds accuse others of shithousery- Revie and his shithouses created more in 10 years than any other club will in their history- they are the Kings and their bed shared with the Queens of it(the shite).
Just listened to Frank's after match interview- no bull,sticks up for his team,realistic,cleverly let the Premier League have it, shut the twat Marsche down,and explains to us the fans what he wants to achieve and how it will take time. We all wanted big change-this is where and how it starts.
I shall be supporting the player's and backing the management.
I see,ridiculously that Bournemouth have sacked Parker,so that's 2 plus year's of work and organisation up the swanny and might be there downfall in respect of relegation. The game today is utter madness.
Peter Carpenter
180 Posted 31/08/2022 at 10:46:32
Excellent news that we are pissing off opposition managers. More please.
Brent Stephens
181 Posted 31/08/2022 at 10:49:51
Feeling more accepting of that point the morning after the game. Positives: 4 at the back; the players we now have at the back; Iwobi again; Onana despite it being early days; workrate all round.

Those fecking thow-ins - foul throws all the time. Drives me mad(der).

Brent Stephens
182 Posted 31/08/2022 at 10:54:24
Slightly off-topic but I despair of that fecking M62 drive to Leeds (and even worse last night after the game as well, with motorway bloody cones when there was no work being carried out), Anyway, has anybody taken the route via M65 / Burnley and then cross country? Or any alternative route?

Considering the Burnley etc route, from my base in Southport the distance is about the same (80 miles) as the M62. The RAC route planner says 1 hour 48 minutes via M62, and 2 hours 20 minutes via Burnley etc. So on paper longer in time via Burnley / cross country but the M62 estimate doesn't factor in the inevtiable delays (ALWAYS leading up to the start of the M60 on the way there; and other delays e.g. Harthead Moor Top).

Steve Brown
183 Posted 31/08/2022 at 11:04:40
Rob @ 142, it is also interesting which permanent critics don’t post anything after we have had a good performance and / or result.

This team and squad is beginning to take shape. It won’t be a smooth road but the signs are there.

Dave Abrahams
184 Posted 31/08/2022 at 11:12:46
Brian (167) I agree with nearly all of your post, I certainly don’t want to be watching that ultra defensive football for the rest of the season biting my nails and living on my nerves, I had more than enough of that last season.

Regarding your post @ (170), if Anthony Gordon stays at Everton I don’t want him to go to the World Cup for selfish reasons, he will be knackered enough pulling his tripe out for Everton without going to play extra games in a very hot climate where even sitting on the bench will drain him!!

Pete Neilson
185 Posted 31/08/2022 at 11:18:22
Steve (183) and good to see the ridiculous "Gordon no end product" comments have dried up.
Brent (181) I thought the same last night. Looks like the officials have given up on regulating throw ins. That'll be until we do one.
Brian Murray
186 Posted 31/08/2022 at 11:37:18
Slowly adding a bit of creativity to a more than decent 11. Just need that first win and it’s a shame they are next opponents because as well as any 50 50 decisions they seem to get we in all or most of my half a century do we get a break in a derby. Also a shame maupay couldn’t have a game under his belt same with gana before we play them. They are no man city and far from unbeatable though.
Raymond Fox
187 Posted 31/08/2022 at 11:48:33
Brent 182, I go to Ilkley quite often which is ok, you could cut off and go though Haworth and Bingley but you have then to get round Bradford.

I also hate the M62 but its probably better to grin and bear it.

Brent Stephens
188 Posted 31/08/2022 at 11:58:50
Raymond, thanks. I'll have a look.

Maybe stick with M62 - gin and bear it!

Dickie Langley
189 Posted 31/08/2022 at 12:04:33
Raymond (187) and Brent (188). I start from Bingley when heading to Goodison (or Southport), and always head across through Burnley to completely avoid the M62. But Elland Road is easier to get to from the M62 side.
John McFarlane Snr
190 Posted 31/08/2022 at 12:19:42
Hi all, I'm surprised that anyone who has played or watched football for any length of time, doesn't recognise that most goals are conceded as a result of someone's mistake, and mistakes are something we all make.

I watched the game last night and thought that Everton deserved to come away with a point, while some played better than others I feel that it was a team effort, and it's not my way to criticise individuals, I've stated on this site a number of times, that I believe in 'We win or lose as team'

I have also learned down the years that every game is unique 'It's never been played before and it will never be played again'. I attend games with an open mind but unlike some, I never predict results or scores, therefore I'm never left with egg on my face.

Ant Sorvoja
191 Posted 31/08/2022 at 13:05:23
John, this is so true. Last night we conceded from a positional team mistake. All our three midfielders occupied a small area around centre circle when Pickford kicked a long ball and we got exposed. Leeds was able to push fast forward to create an opening for Sinisterra to shoot. Hopefully the lads will learn from it.
Christy Ring
192 Posted 31/08/2022 at 13:15:00
Rob#142 Good post and true, live forum is worse. I thought McNeill played well last night, imagine if he had a striker to aim for, he's been ridiculed and written off here, and he's only played a handful of games, the same with Davies, before he even kicks a ball, the comments are vile, played well also, but the silly yellow card curtailed him. I also believe and have previously stated, Patterson and Mykolenko are much more effective in a back four.
Brent Stephens
193 Posted 31/08/2022 at 13:24:27
Dickie - what would Burnley - Todmorden - Halifax - then A58 all the way through to A6110 / Elland Road be like?
Colin Malone
194 Posted 31/08/2022 at 13:30:37
Who is the ref questions on match days, has now extended to who is the VAR at Stockley Park. It's a joke but, most of all, it's corrupt.

If there are 5 games that kick off at the same time, do they have 5 VARs or one?

No referees should be allowed at Stockley Park.

Ashley Roberts
195 Posted 31/08/2022 at 16:46:36
Although I did not see the game yesterday,
I have read all the reviews and watched the post match interviews. I find it amazing that the mad hatter Marsch is berating us for time wasting. It seems we did a good job of taking the sting out of their high tempo get in your face style of game. So this was a great tactic and pissed them off big time. On this basis it is clear the yank knows nothing about tactics as he only knows one style of play. Obviously Chelsea did not try to slow the game down and got beat resoundingly. So well done Frank for the strategy, which almost paid off. We all know this is how Liverpool play and so will be a good learning curve for Saturday although there is a big difference in quality. If we can slow the game down somewhat and play to our strengths with dropping the ball past the defenders for AG and Gray to run on to, who knows what might happen.

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