Bournemouth 4 - 1 Everton

Everton were utterly dreadful at  Bournemouth for the Third Round of the Carabao Cup despite a wonderful goal from Gray. 

Tom Cannon, Stan Mills, Isaac Price and Reece Welch and 16-year-old Ishé Samuels-Smith are on the bench, while Frank Lampard makes an astonishing 11 changes to the starting line-up that is (apart from Patterson) composed almost entirely of fringe players who have hardly played this season and doesn't include any of the youngsters. 

Pickford stands down, with Begovic taking his place as captain. Holgate, Mina Keane and Vinagre start with Coleman, Coady and Tarkowski rested. Garner and Davies also get starting roles along with Doucoure in midfield as Gana, Onana and Iwobi are rested, with Gordon and Maupay hopefully forming a striking pair upfront. 

The Cherries got things underway in the pouring rain and withstood some early pressure before mounting a breakaway through Doucoure but Patterson stumbled on the ball. Bournemouth won the first corner, that was flicked into the side netting. 

Everton tried to play out but created a horrible mess of trouble across the field and were invited to attack, Lowe scoring with a deflected lob off Garner and over Begovic, in off the bar. 

Nonplussed by the early setback, Everton continued to get to know each other, seeing some forward play without threatening until good work from Gordon saw Doucoure play a brilliant ball into the path of Davies who shanked it from a glorious position. Utterly lamentable miss. 

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Out of nothing, Garner produced a much better shot that was probably going to smack the bar, but for a good save by Travers. Garner took the corner too deep but the Blues worked it around a bit until Vinagre crossed, and Gordon headed a difficult bouncing ball, headed into the ground by Mina, over the bar. 

Patterson had a fantastic 60-yard run and laid it off well to Gordon who lashed it high, wide and horrible. 

Everton had a lot of Man City style deep possession, looking for a forward move, that ended with a ball overhit wide to Patterson. 

Everton created something of a break down the left with Gordon but it wasn't too convincing and Keane eventually gave it away. Keane, Holgate and Mina then tried some ridiculous not playing it out from the back. 

Patterson pounced onto a lose ball and advanced but his cross was too hot for Gordon to handle at pace. More silly-arse nonsense at the back saw a Keane punt giving away the ball. 

Everton with the ball were just totally lacking any kind of urgency, presumably with no-one creating space in the final third.

A great tackle by Keane robbed Zemura but they couldn't keep hold of the ball. And when they di, it was so painfully slow and ponderous until Maupay spooned it skyward for The Cherries to collect. 

More Everton possession from two free-kicks, both played backwards, and ultimately out of play. Absolutely mind-numbing non-football from The Blues, going absolutely nowhere. Even the traveling Blue Army were getting annoyed. But when it did go forward, it just flew long. 

A foul on Maupay saw the set-up for a forward set-piece, Mina advanced, floated in by Garner and headed out. Gordon picked up the ball and tried a tricky cross that must have disappointed him. He went in feet first on Zemura, just a ridiculous challenge. Yellow Card. 

Some rare play in the final third saw Maupay win a late corner, Davies delivering low and Patterson tried to make something off it bt the chance had gone and the half had gone also. 45 minutes we will never get back!

Maupay restarted the game with no changes and Gordon almost broke through... but didn't. But the sideways bollocks resumed until Mina passed it directly out of play. And from that it was utter Keystone Cops, Holgate falling over his feet, and Keane unable to stop Stanislas tapping in at the far post. 

Vinagre had to defend robustly as the home side now smelled blood. And Frank thought perhaps he should do something too: a triple change, McNeil for Holgate, Gray for Gordon, Garner for Iwobi. But would anything improve or was this as good as done for a contest?

But more nonsense play at the back gave the goal to Bournemouth, Keane this time, Begovic making a good save for a corner to put the Blues under yet more pressure.  

Davies had to produce an excellent tackle to stop Christie's determined run. But The Cherries attacked down the other side and Keane had to give up a corner that was headed over. 

Patterson and Gray played some better stuff, the cross headed behind for a corner that came to nothing. The Cherries came forward again and forced a save from Begovic. Gray responded down the left and forced a corner but his delivery was dreadful. 

McNeil and Davies conspired to lose the ball in midfield, Zemura setting up Lowe for the third goal but he got his head well underneath the ball. 

A rare moment of sheer quality produced a fine Everton goal almost out of nothing, Iwobi forcing a forward ball that Maupay touched on to Gray who spun and curled an absolute beauty into the top corner, a splendid strike. 

Everton tried to reprise the move but Maupay shot wildy over, then Iwobi tried to drive through but his shot was blocked. It was a lot more open game since the Everton subs, almost like a real football game, briefly played end-to-end. Everton had 20 minutes to get an equalizer. 

Everton were trying to find a way through but they were eventually crowded out and Bournemouth galloped upfield, Marcondes scoring a simple goal from a shot saved by Begovic. Game over now, surely. 

More changes for Everton but Patterson was sandbagged and Dembele set up Anthony for a crazy fourth goal. Unbelievable defending from Everton. 

Peterson went over and Mina stupidly decided to pick him up, causing a needless fracas and ensuing yellow cards. 

Iwobi didn't like Christie pulling his shirt and spun round with his arm raised, lucky to avoid a card for retaliation. 

Bournemouth:   Travers, Stephens [Y:85'], Mepham, Christie (89' Sadi), Rothwell (75' Dembele), Stacey (65' Marcondes), Lowe (88' Hill), Stanislas (65' Fredericks), Pearson [Y:82'], Anthony [Y:73'], Zemura.

Subs: Plain, Cook, Tavernier, Siriki, Greenwood.

Everton:   Begovic, Patterson, Holgate (51' McNeil), Mina [Y:82'] Keane, Vinagre, Doucoure (81' Mills), Davies, Garner  (51' Iwobi), Gordon (51' Gray) [Y:44'], Maupay (81' Cannon).

Subs not Used:  Lonergan, I Samuels-Smith, Price, Welch.

Referee: Darren England

Reader Comments (260)

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Dave Abrahams
1 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:50:20
Well, the team is completely changed from Saturday with Begovic in goal and captain, Gordon and Maupay up front.

Loads of kids on the bench, Garner, Davies and Doucoure in midfield… not sure if those travelling will be happy with that?

Michael Lynch
2 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:50:21
When even we stop taking it seriously, I think it might be time to cut this cup from the schedule.

We'll probably put out a stronger team than this when we play Western Sydney Wanderers in a couple of weeks.

Michael Kenrick
3 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:51:07
Strongest Team...

Here we go!!!

Andrew McLawrence
4 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:52:07
5 defenders and 2 defensive mids! 💪
Brian Hennessy
5 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:52:09
Just the 11 changes!

I'm happy enough to be honest, chance for all of them to stake a claim for the match on Saturday.

Kieran Kinsella
6 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:53:10
Lonnie Donegan on the bench.
Gerry Quinn
7 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:54:27
I see that even the Live Forum is pissed off with that team selection, Michael... :}
Kieran Kinsella
8 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:58:03
Welch will need to strip off his tracksuit by the 20 minute mark when Yeri sits down and signals he's ready for another month off.
Frank McGregor
9 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:59:24
It would be great if Everton get a good result tonight after such a poor showing the last couple of games.

Hopefully the players coming in will play well, especially the the youngsters, and give Frank an option to play them in the Premier League particularly if there is a goal scorer amongst them.

Joe McMahon
10 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:59:30
Looking forward to seeing Garner and Vinagre if nothing else.

Can't say we have a squad that's exciting so anything new is something to cling on to... Let's ls face it, we are well practiced.

Brian Wilkinson
11 Posted 08/11/2022 at 18:59:50
Bit generous expecting him to last 20 mins, Kieran.
Les Newsham
12 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:00:20
Many changes in the Bournemouth line-up?
Luke Welch
13 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:00:35
At least we are not playing with wingers.
Matt Henderson
14 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:01:18
We are not going to win this trophy this year so no point risking injuries. Need to focus on survival. We already wrote off the first 5 games of the season via lack of any striker and midfield so only have 33 games to survive on.
Dave Abrahams
15 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:02:28
Les (11) yes I haven’t heard of most of them so we have a chance.
Luke Welch
16 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:02:57
Any links?
Pat Kelly
17 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:09:09
Why not just rename it the Can't be Arsed Cup ?
Danny O’Neill
18 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:09:38
Just about to pull into Bournemouth Station. Later than I wanted, but see everyone in the ground.
Paul Kossoff
19 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:10:30
So no one who started the last game is starting tonight? Now if we get battered tonight what will the reaction be? Criticize the manager for not giving a flying f for this one, or support him for getting his priorities right? I now expect us to get beat tonight depending on Bournemouth's team and hope we get three points on Saturday, that's the priority for us, points to get us away from the bottom four, because that's where we will be on Saturday if we get beat.
Kim Vivian
20 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:12:47
Is this game being televised anywhere so our global friends can keep us posted what's happening. Seems to be little interest anywhere in this competition.
Les Newsham
21 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:13:33
BBC have live text for 2 Scottish Premiership games but no live text for 7 league Cup games. BBC given up on it?
Paul Tran
22 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:18:07
Who's up for Mina Injury Bingo, then?
I'm going for 38 mins...
Geoff Lambert
23 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:18:21
I would like to see Mills and Cannon get some decent game time.

The only way we will win this is on penalties 0-0 because we can't score for toffee...

James Marshall
24 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:19:10
I've scoured the Interwebz for a link and all I can come up with is potentially the following – go to and click on the football link at the top of the page. Scroll down to the time 20.45 and look for the Bournemouth v Everton game and expand it, then click the red 'Flash3' link, when it opens in another window click on 'Flash3' again at the bottom and it's playing beIN Sports1 - currently showing a Champions League show but hoping it'll be the EFC game come kick-off.

Other than that, no banana.

Lee Courtliff
25 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:20:24
Any chance of a decent stream tonight? I know that in the past some League Cup games haven't been televised anywhere in the world, so getting a stream was impossible.

Think it was when we played Norwich about 5/6 years ago?

Dale Self
26 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:21:08
I'll take the over Paul. I think he was surprised that Tark and Coady were functional. Subbed in the late stages, say 75'.
Stuart Sharp
27 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:21:34
Iraqgoals. Wow, you really did search!
James Marshall
28 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:21:55
I've had that link running for about 15 minutes and it hasn't missed a beat - fingers crossed.
Jay Harris
29 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:23:06
Game is on ESPN+ in the USA for those masochists among us.

Frank must have a very short memory playing Keane, Holgate and Mina together.

Luke Welch
30 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:23:47
What link is that?
John Kavanagh
31 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:23:53
Come on, Everton – give us all a big shock. Score a goal.

Mills to open his account for us tonight. Hope all our travelling fans get something to shout about tonight. COYB.

James Marshall
32 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:24:50
Luke - look further up this thread for my convoluted explanation of how to get that link up! (it was a right faff)
Christy Ring
33 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:25:30
Whatever your thoughts are on the line-up, they have all played Premier League football this season, even Mina. It's definitely a stronger team than Bournemouth on paper.

Good to see two upfront, pity Maupay didn't get a chance to partner Dominic before his injury.

Bill Gall
34 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:27:11
it is on DAZN in Canada i cant get into the live forum
Luke Welch
35 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:27:46
I see! well this link takes you to same place|ch4_english.php|87267568|1981068|143|1|en
Mark Yeomans
36 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:28:51
Anyone else got issues with live forum guys?
John Kavanagh
37 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:29:31
There are some links here:-
Derek Powell
38 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:29:58
Geoff Lambert
39 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:31:13
Australia beIN sports2
Canada DAZN
MENA beIN sports English1
New Zeland Sky Sport7
South Africa Supersport prem league

Thats what it says on my IPTV. if it helps anyone.

Chris Hooson
40 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:31:25
more here
James Marshall
41 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:31:54
That link is working and its defo Everton :-)
Brian Wilkinson
42 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:34:24
Paul, put me down for 28 mins mate, in your bingo lotto.
Steve Mandaluff
43 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:37:34
Bookmark this page:

Always plenty of links each week for every game. The Media Streams one seems to be working nicely right now.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
44 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:37:48
Sorry, looks like we have a problem with the Live Forum.

I've notified Lyndon.

Questionable commentary on Radio 5 Live – seems to be courtesy of BBC Radio Bournemouth! I think they mentioned Everton once.

Derek Knox
45 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:38:07
Kieran ' 6, Lonnie Donegan on the bench.

Did you know his " Old man Was A Dustman " ?

Phil Smith
46 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:38:40
Give this a go, fellas:
Kunal Desai
47 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:38:59
Vinagre at the back, reckon we only needs chips upfront to get us firing the goals
Kevin Elliott
48 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:40:07
Release sky. link 6
Ernie Baywood
49 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:44:37
Let's be honest... Our first team isn't setting the world alight - when else do we get the chance to see someone else step up?

Particularly keen to see how Garner, Davies and Doucoure do. We're lacking in midfield at the moment - if one or two of them can step up then we at least have some options. Personally, I've not written Tom off yet.

Likewise Vinagre. If he's got some quality on the ball then he's viable for the first team. Everyone likes Myko, but having such a limited footballer at full back affects our threat hugely.

And we've probably got a relegation battle to at least some extent. I'd rather we took it seriously now than sleepwalk into trouble and need a miracle.

John Kavanagh
50 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:45:50
Michael K. Thanks for info. I thought that my last comment had got me banned from the LF for being positive.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
51 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:46:48
Live Forum working now.
Brian Murray
52 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:49:29
Kunal, you mean with Barry fry as manager ?
James Marshall
53 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:50:21
Can I have 36th minute for Mina injury bingo?
John Atkins
54 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:57:38
Did anyone expect anything else

Would rather have 3 points on Saturday

Phil Smith
55 Posted 08/11/2022 at 19:59:17
Great start... :( Sounds like it's all them. Mina is gonna come off with 15 to go. He's got to play on to stay fit for the World Cup.
Christy Ring
56 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:13:44
Phil, Mina can cry off, Colombia didn't qualify.
Jay Harris
57 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:20:30
Can someone explain what our tactics and formation are?
Gary Johnson
58 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:33:09
Easy Jay.

- pass aimlessly round the back until harried
- then boot forward to the 5ft 3 target man.
- try not to concede too many.
- end.

Lampard, get the fook out this club. Worse than Rafa. Worse than the arrogant ginger dutch lad. Worse than Allardyce.

Ciarán McGlone
59 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:33:53
That corner routine at the end of the half sums us up... a crock of utter shite.
Danny Baily
60 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:35:47
Jay, there's none of that from Frank. Just a starting 11 and a pat on the back. Get Marlowe on.
Michael Kenrick
61 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:36:07
I just can't believe how utterly terrible we are with the ball.

Well, yes I can. We've seen it so often for most of the season. It's absolute garbage.

Jim Bennings
62 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:36:40
Who said Gordon was worth 60 million quid?

Is he even as good as Zinedine Kilbane? Nowhere near in my opinion.

Davies skates back into the side looking like a failed 1960s hippy.

Honestly what a pathetic team we have here and anyone expecting much different on Saturday is in for a rude awakening.

I can see us being down by early May this season unless some kind of unearthly shift in mentality and basic quality arrives.

George Cumiskey
63 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:39:04
Gordon a disgrace – not fucking interested at all.

Davies and Doucouré – shocking.

In training, are they told "As soon as you receive the ball, turn round and see if you can pass it back"?

Kieran Kinsella
64 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:41:57
Tom Davies:

Pass to Mina v Man Utd.
Penalty v QPR.
Chance tonight.

There is a player in there somewhere. He is one of us… etc.

Michael Lynch
65 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:44:20
Lampard has to hook Davies, Doucoure and Gordon. Give some kids a go, cos those three aren't even trying,

Awful half of football from us.

Jay Harris
66 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:48:16
Let’s hope for a better second half.
Kieran Kinsella
67 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:49:39
Keane, Holgate and Davies – the Axis of Aluminum Foil.

Career achievements:

Holgate got 5 managers sacked and 2 DOFs

Keane & Davies got 4 managers sacked and 2 DOFs

Ian Bennett
68 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:53:35
And its Ev-er-ton, Everton FC, by the far the greatest team the world will ever see.

Fucking liars.

Gary Johnson
69 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:54:21
Someone said to me today on the pre-match article:

“He'll get pillared if he plays Mills, Gordon, Price and Cannon… he should play a back 3 of Mina Holgate and Keane to be safe."

No other words.

Jay Harris
70 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:54:48
And these lads are playing for their future.

What hope do we have?

Ciarán McGlone
71 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:56:09
Class, just class.

Wait until you're 2 down to ditch the defensive cowardly line up that has never ever worked.

What a club.

Jerome Shields
72 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:57:46
Jay #57

Attack and defend as a unit. But players are not up to it technically on the night, so far.

Joe McMahon
73 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:58:36
Big Sam wasn't good enough apparently. But Davies and Gordon are.

Frank looks out his depth but no manager will turn this sorry club round.

Awful recruitment and accepting being in the Premier League is enough for the Bill decades.

George Cumiskey
74 Posted 08/11/2022 at 20:58:51
Unbelievable taking Garner off and leaving Davies on!

I can see Frank getting sacked if we lose on Saturday.

Ciarán McGlone
75 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:00:12
Garner is just as bang average as the rest of them.
Luke Welch
76 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:01:38
Forum gone down again! Does anything regarding Everton work?
Ciarán McGlone
77 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:02:56
I'm convinced Michael Keane is a robot and there's water getting in somewhere.
Danny Baily
78 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:03:03
Embarrassing, but I won't care if we get the 3 points at the weekend.
Fran Mitchell
79 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:04:49
We've never won this competition, and we will probably never win this competition.

So yeah, let's get knocked out straight away and save the bother.

Luke Welch
80 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:07:31
Because soo much else to play for! They are just much better than us and I think it's safe to say we are the worst footballing team in the Premier League.
Simon Dalzell
81 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:24:19
Diabolical. Scandalous.
Kieran Kinsella
82 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:24:53
Put Keane in a spin, nutmegged Mina, Begovic parries it straight to a Bournemouth reserve who taps it in and none of their players even bothered to celebrate as it is so easy against career failures.

How have Holgate, Keane and Davies amassed HUNDREDS of appearances each? Why are they still here after getting multiple managers sacked?

Why in God's name did Frank fall for the same stupid mistake as his predecessors and give them another shot along with Mina, who's a joke, and Begovic?

Jay Harris
83 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:24:58
Maybe now Frank will realize that Mina, Keane and Holgate have no future at Everton.

Mina let the cross come in and Keane left his player in yards of space.

Rob Jones
84 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:25:21
This is grim.

Frank needs a result on Saturday. He's had close to a season now. We're worse off at the same stage than we were under Benitez.

Our position is pretty fucking bleak.

Joe McMahon
85 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:25:35
Like I said earlier today, Bournemouth score goals and Everton mainly don't. It's the Everton Way, I suppose we get used to it.

The last 30 years has been awful, bar 1 Martinez season and 18 months of Joe Royle. Cheers Bill!

Danny Baily
86 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:26:51
Wow. This can't be good for morale. They made 9 changes tonight. Really embarrassing stuff.
Jim Bennings
87 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:27:26
This time next year, we might get Bournemouth back when we meet them in the Championship.

This club is heading only in one direction and that's down, last season was merely a dress rehearsal.

Bill Fairfield
88 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:30:22
We just get more and more laughable with time.

I feel for the travelling fans.

Bill Gall
89 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:30:47
Well, I was all for keeping Lampard on but I am afraid he is doing himself no favors with this attempt to keep Everton in the cup.

He is just making his teams a laughing stock with his selections and tactics. Other clubs will not put up with this... why why why Everton?

Michael Lynch
90 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:31:21
Lesson here for Frank. He probably should have started with the kids if he was going to play a weakened team, rather than playing last season's failures.

And the lesson is that Davies, Holgate, Doucoure, and Keane have absolutely no future at this club. Sadly, in the case of Davies anyway, they all have to go,

Jay Harris
91 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:32:19
I have questioned the team selection and tactics before but tonight was just a joke.
Fred Karno could have picked a better team.

Bye, Frank. I really wished it could have worked out but I've totally lost faith in you now.

Kieran Kinsella
92 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:32:59
Gordon saying a month ago he hoped to go to Qatar. if he offered his services as an unpaid laborer, they'd send him back to Goodison.
Phil Rodgers
93 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:33:13
I can't even get annoyed anymore. Just a completely pointless existence.

If something doesn't change we will be relegated within the next couple of seasons. Something's broken at the club.

Michael Fox
94 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:33:17
First time I ever turned an Everton match off, and it might just stay off.
Kunal Desai
95 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:33:34
So, after the Leicester game it was let's move to this game. Are we going to say let's move on and get the 3 points on Saturday against this lot? I very much doubt that will happen.

This team are a joke and derserve relegation.

Derek Knox
96 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:36:24
Kieran @ 82,

Spot on mate, they don't deserve those brilliant away fans.

Too much money for success or failure has ruined it for me.

Dave Lynch
97 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:36:36
I have no words for that performance.
Michael Lynch
98 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:36:51
Is Frank in trouble now? A defeat at the weekend could see Moshiri getting a twitchy trigger finger.
Andy Meighan
99 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:37:17
I've been Lampard's biggest fan. Unfortunately, he's doing himself no favours.

If we'd have lost 4-1 with a gang of kids playing, we'd have said "Yes, fair play." But playing players who have got 4 managers the sack is absolutely folly.

Davies, Doucoure, Mina, Keane, Holgate. Add Gordon and Maupay into the mix and it's no wonder we've been hammered.

Hammered by Bournemouth's reserves, by the way. Thank god the World Cup is around the corner because I can't stand watching these failures.

Jim Bennings
100 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:38:26
This club is in its dying embers as a top-flight club, we need to just come to terms with that.

Talk all you want about Bramley-Moore Dock, blah blah blah, but the first game will be at home to Barnsley in the Championship.

Last season was merely a dress rehearsal for this season's imminent relegation.

Dave Ganley
101 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:40:09
I can't think of a worse way to treat all the travelling fans who made their way down there on a Tuesday night. They don't deserve the fans' loyalty. Utter disgrace.
Nick White
102 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:41:19
I'm a staunch Lampard fan but that was just awful. Must be up there with the worst results in our history (obviously not the worst but definitely up there) against a poor Bournemouth team.

3 points at the weekend essential. Not sure I see it happening though.

Oliver Molloy
103 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:41:50
Martinez has already spoken with Kenwright, apparently.
Joe Digney
104 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:42:05
1 cup down 1 to go. Never change Everton.

Get home safe to all the traveling Blues.

Pat Kelly
105 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:42:10
Yes it's the Can't be Arsed Cup but there's no point embarrassing the Club and disregarding the travelling fans. Lampard is trashing Everton. He'll be gone soon.
Michael Lynch
106 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:42:19
For me, I can accept the likes of Keane, Holgate, Davies and Doucoure being shite, but Gordon, McNeil, Iwobi, Gray and Patterson weren't much better in the end and they're supposed to be the future for this club.

Can't understand why Garner was hooked by the way.

Kieran Kinsella
107 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:42:57
Derek 96,

Michael started that thread about what "supporting" Everton means. I cannot after about 7 years bring myself to have anything even resembling hope much less faith when I see the old failures trotted out onto the pitch.

Ken Kneale
108 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:43:17
Frank is naive or giving a lot of players the last chance – I hope for all our sakes the latter – they have consistently let down themselves, the manager or in their case, managers, and the club.
Andy Meighan
109 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:43:49
Nick 102. Don't hold your breath. We'll play our supposed strongest 11. They'll play theirs and I could probably tell you now what the outcome will be. Everton do that to you.
Sean O’Hanlon
110 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:44:01
We need to be relegated. We don't deserve to be in the Premier League.

Can we carry on watching this crap for another 30 years? Same posts, same dire performances. Ritual humiliation for the fans, week-in & week-out.

At least in the Championship, we may find our true level of football ability.

Derek Knox
111 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:45:29
Pat K, think you could be right there, just when you think we may be getting somewhere, they prove to us, that most are very overpaid mediocre players with no fight or bite.
Matthew Williams
112 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:45:38
Fucking shameful... pack yer bags, Frank, and just leave NOW.
Mike Kehoe
113 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:46:18
Is there another club in the history of the game that has been made worse with the injection of big money?
Tony Hill
114 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:46:32
The only thoughts we should have are for the fans who travelled to witness that complete disgrace.

I want to hear no platitudes or flannel from anyone at the club. They should all shut the fuck up.

Ian Edwards
115 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:48:41
How many times have we rotated in this Comp and got snotted. Every season. No wonder we've never won it.

Lampard's team selections, tactics, subs and formation are grinding my gears.

Colin Malone
116 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:49:20
No improvement since Lampard arrived.

What input does Paul Clement give? is he Franks mentor ?. Fucking clueless. Bournemouth made nine changes tonight. I'm worried big time.

Kieran Kinsella
117 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:49:44
Imagine you're Tom Canon or Stan Mills. Frank is telling you to improve and yet you look around and realize there are people like Mason and Tom who were told the same 6 or 7 years ago, never improved and now just hang around the club making a fortune seemingly until they retire. Why as a youngster would you bust your ass when you see someone like Gordon try hard in a couple of games then get lauded like he's the best thing since sliced bread without EVER actually playing well as opposed to hard?
Jim Bennings
118 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:50:24
Lampard should book those c**ts into a Premier Inn and make them all stay down there until they win that match on Saturday.

Twats have it too easy, fuckin nice little winter trip to Australia coming up where we'll get dildoed off by Celtic anyway.

Embarrassing club.

Sitting here watching Newcastle get a takeover, a club that look doomed 12 months ago and they've left us in their fuckin smoke.

Christy Ring
119 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:50:29
Saturday is massive for Frank, but in case anyone forgets, most of the team tonight Frank inherited and nearly got us relegated. Just saying?
The fault is not the manager.He had one transfer window, lost his best forward, brought in Coady, Tarkowski on a free, and Onana, with hands tied behind his back, no money, FFP because of our great leaders. Has to be given a chance to bring in a striker in January. Back to square one if we sack him.
Kieran Kinsella
120 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:52:20
Jim Bennings

A Premier Inn? I'd just toss them out of the bus and let them sleep rough for a few nights. See if Tom's fancy dress costumer gets dirty, or if Keane is man enough to wrestle a tramp for a ciggie butt to keep warm.

Ian Edwards
121 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:52:41
Lampard had one window Christy and it was a poor one. McNeill, Maupay, Onana, Gueye all poor players.
Steve Daniells
122 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:53:35
Guessing Garner was hooked to save him a little for the weekend. Is Gueye expected to be fit?

What a shit show. I hope the club reimburses all those traveling fans. Holgate, Mina and Keane at the back is just embarrassing. So obvious why we were in so much trouble last year.

We'll be a different proposition this weekend, with Picks in goal, Coady, Tarky & Myko back, Onana and Iwobi in the middle, but the eternal question remains: Where will the goals come from?? We absolutely need to win on Saturday.

I don't want to see Lampard go. I'd like us to give him time. But the players need to fight, fight, fight with all their might this weekend.

Kunal Desai
123 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:56:48
If I were Frank i'd say to the club thanks very much i've had a go but i'd prefer to walk away from this mess of a club.

Take a break and come back when the right job becomes available. Don't ruin your reputation by staying at Everton any longer. The people running the club are poisonous. Walk away with dignity and grace.

Tony Abrahams
124 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:56:53
Some funny comments, some very true comments, and a wake up call for the manager, who talks about being an Evertonian. Perhaps I’m wrong, maybe our manager understands us better than we understand ourselves, because we will soon enter another year, meaning it’ll be 28 years without a trophy, with only one losing cup final since 1995/96.

Painful to watch, absolutely shameful, but with Kenwright still in charge of negotiations, then perhaps the January transfer window might finally bring a change in our fortunes.

Did I say Kenwright? I’m not blaming him for tonight, that was on the manager, and his absolutely dreadful team selection, but what the fucking hell have Everton been allowed to become?

Ed Prytherch
125 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:57:54
I think that Garner was hooked as he was the only midfielder worth "saving" for Saturday.
Anyone who selects Keane and Holgate in the same back line is asking for trouble I would love to see our win/draw/loss record when those two are in the team.
Tom Davies and Doucoure both blew chances to get back into the starting 11. As bad as Gana and Onana were on Saturday we have to hope that one of them has recovered by weekend.
Anthony Gordon's fall from grace continues.
Ian Edwards
126 Posted 08/11/2022 at 21:59:02
Kunal 123. Lampard bought badly in the window. He picked the team tonight. He decides tactics and formation. This is on him. No one else. You can't scapegoat Kenwright for the 90 mins tonight.
Tony Everan
127 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:00:55
Hog-tied and bull-whipped, we got spanked until our cheeks bled tonight. It was almost like the team was into S&M the way they played.

Our travelling support deserve better as do all Evertonians, it's just an unacceptable, embarrassing joke.

What else can you say apart from, ''Sort this mess out and make amends on Saturday!'' No excuses.

James Head
128 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:02:11
You see a line-up containing serial losers Keane, Mina, Holgate and Davies and you know there's only one winner.

Add in Doucoure and play 3-foot Maupay up top and it's got 'humiliation' written all over it.

I've been trying my best to give Lampard a chance but he's fucking clueless – how the fuck does Tom Davies stay on the pitch till the end?

Can't create an opening and never look like scoring, relegation is a cert this season.

Joe McMahon
129 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:03:12
"One very famous football club said to me two or three days ago 'Whenever we have a problem, we say 'what would the Everton board do?' because they always get it right?"
Kieran Kinsella
130 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:03:56
What do these games have in common:

Everton 1 v 5 Atlanta
Everton 2 v 5 Arsenal (Koeman sacked)
West Ham 3 v 1 Everton (Allardyce sacked)
Liverpool 5 v 2 Everton (Silva sacked)
Man City 5 v 0 Everton (Ancelotti quit)
Bournemouth 4 v 1 Everton

Keane and Davies were in the team for every single one.

Dale Self
131 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:04:15
O'Neill rotates 9 players and does Frank without breaking a sweat. That is proof positive of a superior system, not players.

Frank has not worked out his system and has likely run out of time. This is absolutely not a case of Everton spoiling Frank's reputation.

Paul Hewitt
132 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:05:01
Some totally OTT comments tonight.

People need to calm down, we will be fine with Frank.

Alec Gaston
133 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:05:16
Terrible from owner, board, players (for far too long) and tonight manager and backroom staff – why rotate???

I understand if some players have knocks. For me, tonight should definitely seal the fate of Davies, Mina, Keane, and Doucoure. No fight, no drive, no passion.

Will Mabon
134 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:05:25
The sheer arrogance and hubris in changing the line-up that way, like we are at some level of quality to carry it off. Exactly what might've been expected to happen, happened.

It was either that or planned surrender thinly disguised as an attempt to compete.

Ignoring, belittling and not committing to "smaller" cups is for so-called bigger teams. If we won't attempt to compete in competitions like this, then what are we really here for - to win nothing?

Or are we really so scared and unsure of our ability to even survive in the league with the extra "pressure" of a few cup games? What kind of an attitude is that to have???

Pat Kelly
135 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:05:38
Has he gone yet?
Peter Mills
136 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:08:05
I've been a staunch supporter of Frank, but his team selection was a kick in the teeth to all Evertonians, most especially those who travelled down to the match.

Picking that team gave the clear message that the game was unimportant, and the players took heed, giving an utterly shameful display.

Lee Courtliff
137 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:08:09
The way the Football Gods work, we'll probably beat them on Saturday (just as long as Davies and Holgate don't play).

I'm as pissed off as anyone but let's not press the panic button just yet. It was only 2 weeks ago we were crowing about our great performance against Palace.

Stick with the team and the manager.

Andy Meighan
138 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:08:53
Oliver 103.

And where exactly has that shite come from? That fabulous source of information, Twitter. Do me a favour.

He comes back and that really is me gone for good. Then again, knowing that louse Kenwright, I wouldn't put it past him. Music Hall joke.

Tony Hill
139 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:08:58
Kunal @123,

The people at the top are indeed poisonous. They have no shame and they certainly have no sense of honour.

These are truly dark days for the club, as dark as I can remember.

Dale Self
140 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:09:23
Palace reaction was cathartic relief, this is the reality.
Phil Lewis
141 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:10:01
There hasn't been a fall from grace from Gordon, he flattered to deceive from his debut.

The only reason he looked good last term was because all around him were dire. We should have snatched Chelsea's hand off and used the money to build.

Lampard can take credit for Iwobi's improvement and the signings of Coady and Tarkowski. But the jury is very much out as far as his tactical awareness and decision-making is concerned. Tonight's abysmal showing being very much an example of his shortcomings.

Can we really afford another season of imminent relegation, while Frank learns his trade on the job? I think not.

Matthew Williams
142 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:11:56
And to think Pereira really wanted the job here but Moshiri shit himself when he saw the fan protest outside Goodison.

We need a proactive Gaffer for once, not another boring, safe re-active manager. Why rest players tonight?

Most of our shower of shite will have a fucking whole month off soon enough... time to rip it up and start again.

Another night of shame in a competition we as a club have shown nothing but fucking contempt for... Why?

Lee Robinson
143 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:12:38
Beaten easily by a Bournemouth B side who looked like they couldn't be bothered themselves. The only thing I put on Frank is the substitutions. He had to play the side he did and it has been proven why he dropped most of them in the run-in to last season.

Keane and Mina, the same old slow passes to each other hoping one makes a positive move, is depressing, they'll never get it. I like Tom Davies but he hid while that was going on, and Doucoure was the worst player on the pitch.

Gordon should have gone, and threw in another wasteful perfomance, it doesn't get much worse than that to watch.

I'm afraid that's the end of Doucoure, Keane, Mina at least, I can't see them getting another chance.

Even if we win on Saturday comprehensively, there will still be a sour taste of the kind of perfomance this side can thow in. It's never far away.

Patterson and Garner were the only two who turned up. I'd have liked to have seen Mills start.

Nick Page
144 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:17:36
It has nothing to do with a system.

If you uprooted Klopp, his management team and all their players, they would finish mid-table and then struggle. Because that is what is demanded (or not) from the club hierarchy. It's cultural.

The club is stuffed full of dead wood, and no-one really cares about anything other than staying in the Premier League.

Just look at all the hangers-on like Sharp who are taking the coin. Do they ever criticise? Of course they don't. Do they know? Of course they do... but it's a selfish enterprise.

And ultimately this is self-defeating in any business. Unless you have a top management team and a solid strategy and staff that pull in the same direction, you're fucked.

The NHS is a great example of an enterprise that is totally defunct and no matter how much money you threw at it, it would fall over. Why? Poor management, which drives a lack of motivation through the entire system. People don't know what they're doing.

Everton is the same. We've been told for years we were bankrupt, we had no money, Goodison will fail its safety certificate, we can't afford players, it's a knife to a gunfight.

Fuck off. At best, that's defeatist; at worst, it's brainwashing to cover your incompetence.

There is no accountability of the management team that run Everton Football Club. In all fairness, I'm surprised they have lasted this long in the Premier League. It's run more like an amateurish League One side, who are just there for the footy on a Saturday.

Lose and it's shrug your shoulders stuff and move on. That's Everton. That's not the Champions League sides – and we used to compete with Spurs – nor the ambitious teams that pervade the Premier League and want to get better.

Stuart Sharp
145 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:19:48
Ian 126

I agree that it's daft to blame Kenwright for tonight. I also agree that, aside from the two centre-backs, most of our new players are average.

But what was Lampard supposed to do with no real cash? It's only the £20M for McNeil that really bugs me.

I assume many of the more extreme reactions on here are just post-match frustration. Sacking Lampard would be crazy. I'm gutted and embarrassed tonight, and some of his decisions drive me nuts, but he's as good as we can hope for right now.

Derek Thomas
146 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:20:31
Lampard; Constructing his own Taxi one Game at a time.
Barry Rathbone
147 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:21:24
Frank has gone down in my estimation tonight.

Our only hope of silverware is the domestic trophies yet he's done exactly what all the other smart arses do and sent out the stiffs with the inevitable result.

If he thinks "getting us" means abject surrender to a pub team before a ball is kicked, he's fucked in the head.

Completely snookered himself here with shithouse team selection and put himself in BIG trouble.

What a tit.

Joe McMahon
148 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:23:35
Nick@144, spot on, 100% correct.
Kieran Kinsella
149 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:28:36
Thelwell needs to immediately terminate Tom’s contract 8 months early. We cannot risk Frank or anyone else letting him play again before he’s forced to retire next summer due to lack of options.
Terry Farrell
150 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:29:36
Utmost respect to our travelling fans.

I was at Fulham last week but Bournemouth on a Tuesday night in the League Cup is a different level.

Formation: hopefully 3/5 at the back is dead and buried. Invites trouble and playing on the back foot. First 30 minutes we had chance after chance and lacked composure and clinical decision-making to score against their young lads. Let's hope they start their first team Saturday, Jeez!!

I still love Frank.

Don Alexander
151 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:29:54
Jeez, some of us!

Frank inherited a massively inadequate squad with close to no sell-on value. To sign anyone at all, our owner/chairman had to sell the only player we had that a Top 6 side might fancy.

So bog-standard for 30 years has our club been allowed to become there's no hope of a player with Top 6 quality or ambition ever signing for us.

We're skint, with a training ground still full of pig's ears that no manager can make even an un-holed purse from, never mind a silk one.

Wins fall away from teams with holes, as we've known for 30 years... but still, let's berate the manager alone, eh?


Matthew Williams
152 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:30:40
Spot on, Barry, smartarses with egg on their faces... every fucking time!

Play your strongest side... ALWAYS!!

Just leave, Frank, for fuck's sake.

Tony Abrahams
153 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:31:05
The saddest thing about Liverpool being put up for sale, is that their owners have realised that it's going to cost an absolute fortune to stay on City's bootlaces, and have decided to step aside instead.

Of course they will make a fortune, but they have also given the Liverpool fans some genuinely great times, whilst Kenwright, who was only interested in selling Everton on his terms, actually believes he's given Evertonians some good times.

Once again, I'm not blaming Kenwright for tonight's debacle, that was 100% on our manager, but through the clamour to sack another manager, Everton have just continued to go backwards, sacking manager after manager, since they got rid of the mediocre Moyes, who inexplicably kept his job for over 11 seasons, and helped keep a very, very poor Chairman, in his privileged seat.

Tonight was scandalous, but there have been many, many nights like this, for a club that has both forgotten and also been allowed to stop trying to win.

Nick Page
154 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:31:11
Ian @126 - do you honestly think people like me that come on here are actually stupid enough to scapegoat Kenwright for one bad performance?

Jeezus wept…

If you can't see it's been a deliberate downgrading of Everton Football Club's standing in the game for 20+ years to suit that man's ego and cover for his total incompetence that has actually led to that sort of display, there is no fucking hope whatsoever.

Everton Football Club needs and deserves new ownership and new,
professional management that understands the global sports entertainment business. And the fans need to get behind that or we're in League One doing a Sunderland.

Derek Knox
155 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:32:03
Peter Mills @136, Spot on mate, totally agree, a disgrace of a team selection, if it was a shop window attempt, it totally failed. Who could possibly be interested in any of those Madame Tussaud's Figures, (Patterson excepted)?

I feel for the fans who made the first of two longest journeys in the Premier League Calendar, again in great vocal support pre-kick-off, totally wasted on a shower of overpaid wankers.

Again I say, Patterson and Garner excepted, but why take Garner off?

Danny O’Neill
156 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:33:19
Finally on my way home. I will be late but not as late as those that travelled down from the homeland.

Soaked outside the ground waiting to get in. And due to a parculiar set-up, it took ages to get in. I'm not exaggerating here, but they were risking a crush as the fans congregated. Shouts of "Open the Gates" could be heard and the Police started massing to try to control the situation. Pretty poor to be honest.

I'll reflect more tomorrow as I'm travelling home. Miserable performance. The only highlight I take was Patterson being the only positive player on the pitch in the first half. A young player not very long at the club yet you could see his frustration when he looked up and saw nothing in front of him, but made a good few probing runs.

It was telling that the fans were not their usual selves.

At the end, Demarai Gray singlely faced the music, eventually followed by someone else. I didn't take much notice.

Disappointed is an understatement.

Got soaked again on the way to the station but had a decent chat with some Bournemouth fans who aren't really Bournemouth fans. One was Chelsea and one Liverpool. They were intrigued on my thoughts on Lampard.

Licking my wounds. Back on Saturday.

Safe travels to those travelling through the night after enduring that.

Brendan McLaughlin
157 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:36:30
Frank took a water pistol to a knife fight tonight. Resorting to our second string was wrong and absolutely unnecessary... his call and his alone.
John Keating
158 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:37:08
Actually, I'm glad he played the second string.

Can you imagine the uproar had he played his first 11 against that Bournemouth C team with that result?

And it would have been that result!

Chris Jones [NZ]
159 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:38:50
Garner - yep;
Patterson - yep.

The rest? Shakes head ruefully and moves on.

Danny Baily
160 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:40:04
Win at the weekend and I really won't care about tonight. We're not winning this or the FA Cup without a huge, huge slice of luck.

When we've been solid in the league, I've been keen on putting our strongest side out in the cups. Now we're threatened with relegation, I'm happy to see changes on a night like tonight.

Sean Kelly
161 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:40:08
What a crock this club is... Fucking Bournemouth.

We accept this shit. If – and it's a big 'if' – we get anything out of Saturday, we will think we have turned a corner and will be happy out til our next game in December.

We will go down this season. Our club is a joke.

Joe McMahon
162 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:43:30
This laughing stock club will never win this competition.

Ironically a Tom Davies penalty last season v QPR and his miss in the first half today was unforgivable. To think this talentless person has played so many games for a Premier League club – and yup, it's us.

I don't want to see him, Keane, Mina in an Everton shirt again. And I so wanted Gordon to be sold in the summer. The squad is awful, and probably the worst since Kendall Mk III.

We have turned from a competitive club to an embarrassing relic living in the past since Mr William Kenwright first joined the board all those years ago, and he's still here stinking the place out now.

Brian Wilkinson
163 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:45:18
On a whole our defence has been our strongest this season. With only one game left until a break, there was no need to change the defence, we should have stuck with Patterson, Mykolenko, Coady and Tarkowski.

Made the tweaks further upfield, rested Gordon for Mills, tried Cannon out alongside Maupay, and started with Garner, which he did and Iwobi.

To bring in players like Keane, Holgate, Davies and Mina was asking for trouble; these players have time and again let us down big time, Mina more on the injury front.

Could the others on the bench have done any worse, 9 minutes for Mills and Cannon to rescue a 3-1 deficit, absolute joke, and Frank needs to take the full flak for his set-up.

Tony Abrahams
164 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:45:33
It was hard enough watching it from the comfort of my living room, but when you think about the Evertonian's who have travelled a very long way to see that shite, it really does put it into perspective.

I'm just glad none of my sons or little godson went tonight. Getting home around 3:30 am, after having to endure watching a team of absolute cowards.

Mike Price
165 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:45:40
Lampard is a personality not a manager. His tactics, game management and recruitment are bad.

Coady and Tarkowski are decent but slow, that means we have to sit deep; he brought in 4 defensive midfielders with no pace when we have no creativity and can't score goals.

He bought Maupay who can't score goals and looks more like a converted midfielder than a striker. Iwobi has improved but is still average at best, put him up for sale and see the interest.

We've got barely any assets, they're all liabilities and unfortunately this London management team are clearly temporary and the biggest liability of them all.

We could have had Eddie Howe, a boyhood Evertonian btw, but we need a proper manager.

I can't believe the animosity towards Martinez who actually gave us the best year as an Evertonian in 30 years. He's managed the best international team in Europe, he's matured and wants to come back and give it another go. I'd be happy to see him back.

Jerome Shields
166 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:46:51
Frank did himself no favours tonight.

It is obvious Keane, Mina, Holgate, Doucoure and Davies have not been applying themselves in training.
They were all so much off being match fit.

The same tactics applied, even worse implementation in this game. Frank is now really under pressure.

Dave Cashen
167 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:47:56
That's five in seven we've lost. The whole fucking squad are serial losers. Check their CVs.

Those pointing the finger at a few rusty fringe players are simply demonstrating they do not grasp the gravity of the situation.

None of these fringe players were on the pitch for the previous four shit shows. Perhaps one of these experts can explain that?

Perhaps they can tell us all about the well-oiled winning machine these fringe players have come in and derailed.

Ray Roche
168 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:48:04
Mike, ‘he's matured and wants to come back'.

Where did you get that from, Mike?

Oliver Molloy
169 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:50:24
Forget the excuses, this was a shocking result.

Anyone who thinks we are not in the mix for the relegation battle need to wake up.

We just got beat by a team who also made loads of changes and now have the confidence they can do us again on Saturday.

Lampard has increased the pressure on himself with the team he picked tonight, got it wrong big time.

Colin Malone
170 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:51:02
Just to reiterate. I have said it many times.

Paul Clement. Everton first team coach and mentor to Frank Lampard.

Coached / managed.
Derby County : Sacked.
Swansea City : Sacked.
Reading. : Sacked.
Cercle Brugge : Sacked.

Bad decision by Frank when Anthony Barry declined to come to Everton.

Ray Roche
171 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:53:06
Brian @163,

I agree playing the defence, despite some bells on the Live Forum saying that we should get rid of Mykolenko!

I would like to see Vinagre play in front of Mykolenko, he's much quicker than I thought and can cross a ball. He'd also offer more defensive cover.

Kieran Kinsella
172 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:54:31

This was against Bournemouth reserves not away at Tottenham or Newcastle. Tom and Keane aren’t rusty they always been crap and always will

Will Mabon
173 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:57:53
Dave C, that's precisely the point – disrupt a side performing marginally even further by bringing in a swathe of rusty players that have barely featured.

What could go wrong?

Tony Abrahams
174 Posted 08/11/2022 at 22:59:14
Some of those fringe players have already proved on numerous occasions that they are simply not good enough for Everton, and definitely not good enough for where we want Everton to be Dave.

There are very few experts on football, but my partner was watching, and she commented on how sloppy and slow Everton’s players looked, and she knows absolutely nothing about football.

Kieran Kinsella
175 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:02:36
If Tom is lucky when his contract expired Unsie won’t have been sacked at Oldham yet. Can anyone imagine any top flight side even in Cyprus offering him a deal? Championship? No chance. League 2? Unlikely
Nick Page
176 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:02:50
None of the “experts” wanted Eddie Howe. Didn’t he take Bournemouth down? Mad that isn’t it….?
Tony Abrahams
177 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:07:48
Ray@171, comes out with such an important point imo. I’m not sure if Vinagre, could play left midfield, and I’m also certain that some people will say that it’s not defensive cover we need but rather more attacking intent?

But until we can produce more purposeful attacking play, I think we have got to become more nasty, more spikey and much more competitive.

The soft centre looks like it’s slowly returning, and for a team that doesn’t score many, this will become catastrophic if it isn’t rectified very soon.

Bill Gall
178 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:09:08
i knew who would get the blame for tonight's fiasco, but there is only 1 man to blame and that is the manager who had about 20 or more squad players to pick from and chose the wrong ones plus tactics, regardless of another game in 5 days time.

People who keep saying B.K only sold the club to line his own pocket so well did J.Woods, Robert Earl and all the others who sold their shares to Moshiri, who since he took over we have gone through 7 managers, so who is pulling the strings here. We stuck with D.Moyes for 11 seasons and only for Ferguson retiring would have been longer.A Chairman cant fire the manager without the owners permission.

I think Lampard is skating on very thin ice but his problem is made worse by players that are slow, cant read the game and only try and score at practice at finch farm.

We are relegation candidates that have just inspired our next opponents, and due to FFP rules are strapped for cash in the next transfer window.
So waiting for the next transfer window to open it is going to be difficult to raise transfer finances by trying to sell some of whom we have just watched, and trying to bring in Quality Players to a relegation struggling team.

Yes Lampard has strengthened our defense but I had a problem with the team in that we were not playing to our strength, and if experimenting with new formations don't weaken your strength. I did comment before the game that the team looked like a good bench team as a joke, some joke

Oliver Molloy
179 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:09:12
Thank fuck the referee is blind and there was no VAR tonight - how Gordon got away with that tackle is beyond me.
Barry Rathbone
180 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:11:51
Mike 165

We missed the boat with Martinez we needed Moshiri a year earlier to provide the funds to properly rebuild but it's typical Everton that we had the right manager at the wrong time and it's been a disaster ever since.

Plus never go back

Tony Abrahams
181 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:12:56
A chairman can’t fire the manager without the owners permission, but only for Ferguson we would have kept Moyes for longer. Such irony
Mike Price
182 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:17:34
Would a top international team offer Lampard the manager’s job? Would a Championship side offer him a job based on his record. Martinez won an actual trophy with Wigan. We all know they went down by the skin of their teeth, but they’re fucking Wigan! He won the FA cup and is managing Belgium, he gave us a brilliant season of actual pride and hope and made the club 50 million profit with Lukaku; some of his other buys were poor but they were bargain basement. He never had the budget that we’ve since wasted. Remember the bigger net spend than Liverpool by far, that has taken us backwards and made us a national joke.
Soren Moyer
183 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:19:35
I'm with Dale (131). The team we put out tonight can't be worse than fecking Bournemouth reserves and youngsters! Fat Frank is just not the right man for the job. Yes. Kenshite should go and all that but still...

Agree Will (134). This cup is the easiest Route to get into the Europeans competitions and we're not interested!? What kind of bollocks is that?

Rob Dolby
184 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:21:46
The defeat didn't surprise me.

Holdgate, Davies, Keane, Doucoure and Minas performance didn't surprise me.

The set up and formation was ok. The drive and desire disappeared due to the school boy errors made by the usual suspects.

To me it boiled down to individual mistakes and a lucky 1st goal. You just can't win football matches when the same players make the same mistakes at either end of the pitch.

If I had to pick holdgate and Keane I would tell them their 2nd touch has to be a punt upfield. Get the ball away from them as quickly and as far away as possible.

The 5 above have no future at the club but who is going to buy them?

Garner and Vinagre did ok. Garner reminds me of Kevin Richardson to look at but also in his willingness to get on the ball.

Big game Saturday but the same puzzle for Lampard, how are we going to score a goal.

Christy Ring
185 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:23:01
Most of the team tonight Lampard inherited. Ian you criticise Lampard's signings. He signed Onana €33m over 3 years, Gueye €2m, Maupay €12m instalments, Coady on loan, Tarkowski free, McNeill £20m installments, he couldn't afford to buy Cornet, Burnley wanted £17.5m upfront, and lost Richarlison £55m, that's what he all he could do in one transfer window. The problem is Moshiri /Kenwright. Be careful what you wish for guys.
Sean Kelly
186 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:39:23
What else can be said about this mess. It’s not just tonight or this season or even the last decade. A professional football club in name only. We are truly a mess. I don’t think Lampard or the players have the answers or the know how to fix this mess. The board are not interested in solving the problems. They just want to survive in the cash cow of the premier league.
Oliver Molloy
187 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:39:30
Just heard Lampard calling out players who were given their chance to play tonight as he put it.
He's right if course if we can't take chances and are shite at the back.

However, him saying he needs to protect his best eleven doesn't wash with me - we had two matches to play before the break - play your best eleven!
If we manage to win on Saturday, he's going to look fucking stupid.

Pete Clarke
188 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:42:27
Pretty bad move to play a team full of losers and reserves. He should have made minimum changes, tried to get the win and some confidence back into the first team.
It does show our real lack of depth to be beaten so easily by an average clubs second string and as much as I want Frank to be the one to build us back up he clearly does not have the tactical knowledge to fuck around with squad rotation and he has seriously shot himself in the foot tonight.
As for those players out there well we can see that they are all looking forward to sitting on their sofas watching the upcoming World Corrupt Cup.
When shit like this happens over and over we generally revert back to the clubs chairman as the root cause of this. I have a deep personal dislike for BK for what he’s done to this club but Moshiri is outdoing him in a much more harmful way because of his ignorance to BKs continued involvement.
A a repeat of if this result at the weekend and the same idiots will be scouring the planet for somebody brave enough to manage this rotting club.
Dave Cashen
189 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:46:51
Indeed Will.

Putting so many players who had not played with any sort of regularity in at the same time was asking for trouble.
It wasn't as embarrassing as losing to RS kids with a full team, but it was right up there.


Agreed, but I think it would be fair to say that about just about all of our squad (with 1-2 exceptions).
We brought in players who have been relegated I don't think any of the fringe players have managed that.
I have to laugh when I see people come on 3-4-5 times to singling one player out. The idea of terminating Tom Davies contract is the most hilarious I have heard.
What makes me smile is the fact that the next manager will also play him. Just like the previous seven did. That's because they will not be governed by hatred.

Tom Davies should not be part of Everton team if we are to go places. The fact that he has been, is and will be, is the problem. Some don't understand that, so they hate on the guy himself.
Watching people convince themselves that he is the sum of all our problems and getting themselves all bent out of shape, is one of the few amusements get these days as an Evertonian

John Keating
190 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:49:26
Tonight was a disgrace but it isn’t the shite awful bench warmers who’ve got us in our league position
Lampard and us have to accept we are already in relegation form and position
Ed Prytherch
191 Posted 08/11/2022 at 23:54:12
Losing this game will be insignificant if Frank learns enough from it to win just one more league game than he would have done otherwise.
Dupont Koo
192 Posted 08/11/2022 at 00:08:01
Mina helped us by doing nothing on the pitch to justify a contract extension.

Holgate & Keane: did we expect them turning up as Yobo-Lescott 2.0 all of a sudden?

Doucoure: see Mina above

TD: 5 years since his debut and only one thing is certain: he is Tom Cleverley 2.0 but without the re-sale value of Cleverley (we did get £8MM for him from Watford).

It is just a Cup Game that we are not expected to win since the draw came out, and it reinforced the fact that the guys above aren't good enough to fill the gaps if we need to move up the table. If any or all of them can be moved on so that their salaries can be re-invested on better players, the sooner the better. January is not far away, so rejoice!

For those who want Frank out: Chill out!

Duncan McDine
193 Posted 09/11/2022 at 00:10:54
Just got home after that embarrassing shite, and I’m one of the lucky ones… most won’t get home for another 3 or 4 hours. Keane should never play for us again. Lampard made a lot of errors today and will be under pressure if Saturday is anywhere near as bad as that.
Ian Riley
194 Posted 08/11/2022 at 00:15:02
Brian spot on.

Frank played the players that by luck kept us up last season. Most of the squad will have over a month off come Saturday night! I don't get why with a stable defence be replaced with that. It was pitiful tonight. Individual errors yet again but simply that team tonight is not good enough. Desire and hunger to win not there.

More respect if Frank had said some of those players have played their last match for this club. Same old, same old with Everton. The basics of passing, closing down is not there. I see more desire from my local non league club. Looking forward to the break. This club is hard work to support but you can't walk away.

Night all!!

Phillip Warrington
195 Posted 09/11/2022 at 00:31:04
Frank the Muppet should be sacked.

This is another manager thinking he's at a top club where he can rest players for cup games. Cup games are the only chance Everton will ever have of getting into Europe, so he sends out a second string and, worse than that, we got beat by a Bournemouth team who made nine changes!

3 goals we gifted them through players' mistakes – isn't the manager's role to train those mistakes out of players? Because if so he is doing a lousy job.

Gordon needs a stint back in the Under-21s until he gets his head right, ever since his new contract talks have been put on hold, he has looked half-arsed.

I'm sorry for all you Frank lovers but his record at Everton stinks and people can say 'but', but we just got smashed by a team who just came up from the Championship and rested 9 players. He can give all the excuses in the world, he is paid to make sure this doesn't happen.

If this was Rafa or some previous managers, we would be calling for his head but, because he was a top player for club and country, we make excuses for him. He sets the training routines and picks the players to take the field and represent Everton FC. I'm sorry for all the Frank lovers – as a player, great; but as a manager, he is shite.

Ernie Baywood
196 Posted 09/11/2022 at 00:56:38
I don't quite follow the idea that Frank should go based on that loss. Were people going into this game thinking we would win the cup?

My impression of Frank is that he's someone who does what he has to do. This season he has to stay up in the league and rebuild.

Tonight he avoided any further injuries to starters for the weekend and he gave fringe players a chance to make a case for themselves. Some did, most didn't.

Sadly, it's not about competing for cups now. It's about competing for things later. That game should tell you that we do not have the squad for a cup run. We don't even have the first 11 for a cup run.

There's a nice long period now to clear out some names. There aren't many I'd say were completely off the market.

We can't just keep chopping and changing. That's the reason why we have these players in the squad. They're short term options who end up parked here.

As much as I hate the phrase, the rebuild needs to be seen as a project. Do enough to stay up, bring in players at the right age to still appreciate in value, get rid of deadwood. That's not a few months - that's three years of work.

If we don't have a plan we'll never achieve anything. We might hang on for a while but eventually we'll drop.

John Raftery
197 Posted 09/11/2022 at 01:10:00
Coming out of the ground last night many fans understandably blamed the manager for his team selection. But Bournemouth themselves made nine changes while retaining a first choice keeper who has earned a mention in despatches purely for the number of goals he has conceded in recent weeks.

I hold Lampard culpable not for his selection but for his tactics. The players who started tonight ought to have been capable of winning the game. One of the main reasons they didn’t was the manager’s insistence on a playing style of passing it around at the back. It maximises risk, invites trouble, undermines confidence and encourages the opposition of whatever standard to exert pressure. It is Frank who is responsible for this. His stubbornness in this respect very much reminds me of Roberto Martinez’s dogmatic approach 2014/15/16.

Frank quite simply needs to stop being stubborn. Benitez would have been slaughtered for a display such as last night’s. Frank is being given more license at present but not for much longer if the mutterings among away fans during and after last nights debacle are a reliable guide.

I am not for changing the manager at this point. Far from it. But as we have seen repeatedly over recent years once a slide begins it is very difficult to halt.

Brian Wilkinson
198 Posted 09/11/2022 at 01:14:57
Frank Lampard and the players have had unbelievable support from the fans, they have been fortunate to have such fanatical support, absolutely no question the supporters kept that team up last season.

Yet with all the backing,Lampard is on simular results as Raffa, who had to endure pure toxic, because of his connections across the park, towards the end he had to go, but I bet Raffa wish he had even a 10th of the backing Frank has had.

We can blame Frank, Raffa, Sam, even Kenwright, but a lot of those players are still at our club,they have seen out countless Managers, yet every new Manager that comes in seems hypnotised in giving Keane, Holgate Davies and the likes a run out.

You look at who has been consistent this season, Mykolenko, Coady, Tarkowski, Iwobi, most of the part Pickford, yet not one of those players started tonight.

With a break coming up, stick with those players who have been performing, and make the changes where we have been struggling, not rocket science.

Rob Halligan
200 Posted 09/11/2022 at 02:46:14
It's now 2.45 in the morning, with probably still another hour to go, and totally pissed off.

I will have to try and watch a re-run of that because at the moment me head is cabbaged. There's plenty of players out there tonight, or rather last night, who really don't deserve to play for the club ever again.

I said early yesterday morning would Frank consider the fans when picking his side? Obviously not, but I doubt anyone expected eleven changes.

I could kind of understand it if we had gone to somewhere like Leicester, and got knocked out, at least the journey back wouldn't be so bad, but fucking Bournemouth!!

We need a serious pick-me-up this weekend, with a victory, nothing else.

Derek Knox
202 Posted 09/11/2022 at 03:57:54
Apart from the result and performance what got me was, with the 11 changes from the starting line-up against Leicester, I would have thought the players who did start would have made a statement by their performances. " Look Boss I have to be in the reckoning for the next game ". Only Patterson and Garner showed for the ball.

Later Gray, Mills and Cannon, but too late to change anything, but it almost beggared belief that he subbed James Garner, was there something in the Rockford Files ? I can only reiterate my disappointment for those magnificent travelling Blue Army, who made it sound like it was Goodison again, until their cheers were extinguished by the ineptitude of those they had come to support.

Steve Brown
203 Posted 09/11/2022 at 04:27:28
Frank is lucky that he has the World Cup break, as these types of poor runs can gain momentum and get managers sacked.

The squad overall is simply not good enough, and there is a reason players don’t get picked regularly. But, the tactics and formations are being changed too often by Frank. The players are not talented or intelligent enough to implement.

Stick to a gameplan and formation - 4-2-3-1? - and drill them in it. This season is a percentage game where we will aim for mid-table and build on that, so the manager needs to stop being too clever and simplify.

Jay Harris
204 Posted 09/11/2022 at 05:04:10
I have been an avid supporter of Frank despite some dubious team selections and tactics along the way. We have always had an excuse for him like DCL being injured or not replacing Richy but tonight was all on the manager.

A blind man could see that Mina, Keane and Holgate are Disasters waiting to happen based on previous form at the back and to change all 11 players who havent had a game together all season was naive at best and criminal at worst..

I said after 10 minutes does anyone know what our formation or tactics are.

Why couldnt he just rest DCL, Gana and Onana.

Whose decision was it to bring in Gana, Onana, McNeill and Maupay who look like they couldnt score 10 a season between them.

OMG we used to complain about Delofeu, Barkley, Siggy but the current crop are 10 times worse in front of goal.

Our free kicks, spot kicks and corners look like amateur hour.

Much as I love you as a person Frank you are rapidly losing my support as the right manager for EFC.

Jeff Armstrong
205 Posted 09/11/2022 at 05:50:34
John 197, spot on, we don’t have the players to play from the back, I can see it, you can see it, even Frank can see it! But to ditch it would hurt his ego, in a perverse way I wish we hadn’t scored that goal against Palace the other week.
Brian Murray
206 Posted 09/11/2022 at 06:17:59
Steve. Post 203 Don’t be so sure about that. Moshiri is terrified and so much to lose not just the tragedy of going down but the finance is riding on us staying up, He still might get the push especially after another grim display on Saturday..First time the away fans have booed that’s normally ominous,
Danny O’Neill
207 Posted 09/11/2022 at 06:29:45
I got in about 4 and a half hours ago, tired, wet, cold and generally miserable. I'm sure many got in a lot later than me feeling similar. I woke up and unfortunately remembered what I had witnessed and that it had been real.

The score was bad, but most importantly, the performance was awful.

It's easy to analyse. Dreadful. Poor tactics and an insistence on playing the ball sideways across the back. Continuously. Consistently. Endlessly. Seemingly all the time. And when we did occasionally go direct, we were trying to hit a player not exactly know for his aerial prowess being marked by 2 giant centre backs.

I could go into individual players, but there's no point as I'd be here all day. As I said previously, young Patterson was the only one trying with his galloping forward runs in the first half. Iwobi was trying to create when he came on but it was hardly like he had much in front of him to play to or aim for. You could see the frustration in both.

A lot of that team would have been or were first team starters last season. Someone made a good point above. They haven't played much or together and it showed. The manager has to take that one for me. Tactics and team selection. We were disjointed and clueless.

Even though it's meaningless and they would have faced a barrage, it hurt that only 2 of them bothered to even come over at the end.

When Saturday comes, they had better have had an earful, looked in the mirror and enjoyed their rest in that Bournemouth hotel.

Still tired. Still miserable. But warm and dry.

Shane Corcoran
208 Posted 09/11/2022 at 06:41:12
John and Jeff, our first team scored an outstanding goal against Palace employing such tactics. It’s only one goal but we scored it. It’s hardly likely that he’s going to ditch his approach because he’s changed the team for one league cup game.
Tony Hill
209 Posted 09/11/2022 at 06:56:34
If I had been forced to choose, I would have preferred to win on Saturday. Despite everything (last night was obviously terrible and we have major ongoing problems), I think we will take the points.

Much sympathy again for our superb away support but let’s hope you are rewarded in the next game.

We have to stick with Lampard.

Allan Board
210 Posted 09/11/2022 at 07:18:12
Hammered by a reserve team-again. Keane,Davies, Holgate, Gordon, Docoure, Mina are all rubbish and all have rubbish attitudes. Too thick to do the right thing,too arrogant to listen and learn. Tossers like these have destroyed this club,with Kenwright joining in and encouraging it, we would have smashed them in training deliberately to get rid of them because that's how you deal with tossers.
My absolute rage is because of the complete disrespect shown to the loyal fans who once again show absolute loyalty, respect,time effort and hard earned money to bolster the good name of Everton-only for these player's to stick 2 fingers up.
Get fucking nasty Frank and smash this lot- it is the only chance you have of keeping your job.
Tony Abrahams
211 Posted 09/11/2022 at 07:33:08
I don't get any amusement out of any Evertonian fuming about the players, Dave. In fact the only thing I get when watching us play like we did last night is exasperation and pain.

You could analyze it forever, but I'm sure that same back three were all playing in this exact formation during Silva's final games before he got the sack.

Add Ben Godfrey to those three players, change the formation, and play the most awful pug-ugly football that many of us have ever witnessed – and those same players had us near the top of the league for a spell under Ancelotti.

Maybe Duncan Ferguson was correct; maybe Everton getting rid of Allardyce was a genuinely bad move (so was appointing him, I know), especially if it's true that he had identified a poison within the corridors of Finch Farm?

If a poison genuinely existed, it was probably caused by nepotism, and if a genuinely great football manager had to play such awful football to get us results, no wonder he couldn't wait to leave our once-great club.

I know he went to Real Madrid, but look at what Everton have spent, and how they've had to operate since he left. I absolutely rue the day Everton appointed Ronald Koeman, but not as much as the day that Bill Kenwright sold our club, but was allowed to remain as our chairman.

Mr Impending danger (sorry, Jim B) posted yesterday asking how Newcastle United have turned it around so quickly, whilst Everton just continue to go around in circles? The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind, just like Everton have been, for 27 very long fucking years, most of which have been spent under the curse of a 'saviour'.

Christy Ring
212 Posted 09/11/2022 at 08:17:51
Spot on, Tony, especially about Koeman, and Kenwright sold the club to Moshiri for selfish reasons – not for the future of Everton.

Newcastle have spent well but, as well as that, they didn't have a shit full of arrogant players on massive contracts who know they wouldn't get a fraction of their wages if they moved. Most will be finishing their contracts next summer

Danny O’Neill
213 Posted 09/11/2022 at 08:19:27
Still hurting, so not meaning to be pointy at anyone, but who are these so-called experts?

I'm a self-confessed fool with an opinion. I guess most are.

There are a couple of wise people on here, but most of us just offer opinion. I would definitely not call mine expertise, so rule me out of that category.

Ray Smith
214 Posted 09/11/2022 at 08:34:30
Although it backfired dramatically last night, was this seen as an opportunity for those players to put themselves in the shop window, for onward transfers out in January?

Unfortunately, any would-be transfers out, took a serious hit last night. Some hopefully will still move on, but we will get next to nothing for them, other than getting them off the wage bill.

Iwobi will be missing for most of January in the African Nation Championships along with Gana, who is also in the Senegal World Cup squad.

As many have commented on this thread and others, the hirers and firers remain constant, seemingly bulletproof.

You could sack another manager (which I do not advocate, we have to stick by Frank) but the constants will still be there.

Kenwright is going nowhere at least until the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock is unveiled, so that he can gather all the media together to say ‘Look what I've achieved'.

Another mediocre season, I'm afraid. However, that's the price for being a lifelong Evertonian. 😂😢🤞

Craig Walker
215 Posted 09/11/2022 at 09:01:41
A regular contributor on TW for years tried to make me look a mug 3 or 4 years back when I said that Tom Davies was an awful footballer and he vehemently disagreed. Apparently, I didn't know what I was talking about and he knows the game.

I wanted Tom to succeed and I hate to say "told you so" but I stand by what I said. I know Tom isn't the only one and I'm not pinning last night's performance on him but it is emblematic that such a mediocre player is still around our squad and playing under his 6th manager (or something like that – I've lost count). If he were a boyhood red and was in the RS team, given the performances he has given down the years, would Klopp still have him in their squad?

I would have cashed in on Gordon, even if the rumoured valuations were nowhere near true, he is way too wasteful and is one of those players who believes his own hype before he's actually achieved anything.

Mina is a liability. As is Holgate.

Yet again, we sold our best player and replaced him with inferior options.

For people saying we're in for a mediocre season, I'd gladly take 4th from bottom right now.

Ian Hollingworth
216 Posted 09/11/2022 at 09:06:43
Words fail me.

Was Frank resting our first 11? If yes, why? They have one more game then about 6 weeks off.

A team that is crying out for a win to boost confidence, a team that needs a cup run to boost confidence does not make 11 changes.

You definitely do not make 11 changes if your first 11 were not nailed-on to beat the opposition and ours are definitely not nailed-on to beat anyone I am afraid.

C'mon, Frank, you really need to step up. Set the team up to have a go at teams, play with intensity and controlled aggression and get the fans behind the team from the start.

Craig Walker
217 Posted 09/11/2022 at 09:14:14
I loved Martinez's first season. Probably the last time I felt some pride apart from a brief spell under Carlo when we had Rodriguez. However, people advocating his return have short memories.

His last season was dreadful and there were some truly awful performances towards the end. We were dreadful at defending set-pieces. We were slaughtered in the Anfield derby. We were humbled by Champions Leicester City.

He was insistent on playing around at the back and sideways passes. He signed the likes of Cleverley, McGeady, Niasse which weren't the same as Deulofeu, Lukaku, McCarthy and Barry.

I got fed up with "phenomenal" and "incredible" being banded about. I like him as a person but it would be toxic if he returned.

Paul Washington
218 Posted 09/11/2022 at 09:22:02
This one's down to you, Frank, you play your best team, or the majority of them.

Anybody can tell the standard of the replacements is crap and has been for 4 or 5 years when playing first-team football.

Another cup slung away. I don't go with the "We wouldn't have won it anyway" attitude – 'lesser' clubs have won cups over the years.

Why was me dad (and grandad) an Evertonian? Near 30 years of football misery. Those fans last night should be compensated, the least the club could do for them.

Ian Hollingworth
219 Posted 09/11/2022 at 09:43:02
Craig @217, spot on.
Lee Robinson
220 Posted 09/11/2022 at 09:53:08
The truth is that team of mainly senior first-team players should have won easily based on the opposition. Not one leader amongst them, heads down, no-one talking to each other, not one wanting to drag the game by the scruff of the neck, no-one trying to make a forward pass, each handing responsibility over to the next person while they hide. A stark lesson that they need to leave this football club with their poisonous mentality, Mina especially.

All goals came from mistakes, Keane for the first, the second a Holgate slip & Keane reaction, that pull back which leaves the striker free in the box seems to catch Keane out every time. All goals, which screamed of last season, were very similar to the Watford 5-2 at home; every attack they looked like they would score while littered with mistakes and poor positioning.

I felt sorry for Maupay, he was in the right positions mostly, just people weren't playing him through or passing it to his feet early; instead, it was late and overhit.

I like Frank, and I think he will do well hopefully. He has already got rid of so many that needed to go, no doubt the rest will go soon. You can see what he's trying to do in the main but he won't have many more performances like that left or he'll be gone.

Rick Tarleton
221 Posted 09/11/2022 at 10:24:04
Was it as bad as it sounded?

Obviously it was and Gordon's tackle was appalling, I saw that on Sky Sports News, that young man is bitter and frustrated and angry. He needs a manager, an objective friend.

Lampard is losing it. If he doesn't win on Saturday, he is rightly in danger of joining our long list of former managers. I just hope that on Saturday he tries to win the game, rather than just trying not to lose it.

Whoever is up front – Maupay, Calvert-Lewin, whoever – they need service that suits their game. I'm fed up banging on that Calvert-Lewin never gets a decent cross because our wingers are constantly on the "wrong" side.

They need to change sides frequently, their main job is not to support poor defensive backs, but to add to the attacking potential of the team. Maupay needs a proper Number 10, someone who can give him the ball to his feet and support him so he isn't isolated.

Lampard is like Moyes at his worst, not his early years, terrified of losing a point, setting up with basically a seven-man defensive unit.

We are in the relegation mix with a vengeance and we need a manager to instil some confidence and belief in a very fragile and very average squad.

John Hall
222 Posted 09/11/2022 at 10:41:40
Michael @ 94.

I never even switched it on after watching the Leicester performance. How was it supposed to improve within a few days, especially with the shite side that Frank put out last night?

Utter garbage these past few weeks with all the signs pointing to another battle to stay out of the Bottom 3. Two centre-backs have done well but the rest of the signings this season have really not shown anything consistently.

Banking on the return of a centre-forward who was out for a very long spell was akin to those who believe that Father Xmas will be coming in December. Let's hope he does and offers a place on his sleigh for Keane, Mina, Holgate, Davies, Doucoure, Godfrey as these guys all live in winter wonderland.

Absolute farce when mighty Bournemouth kick our arse with almost their second string. Frank possibly the next Premier League manager to be shown the door with his Sunday League tactics and team orders.

Managers who are continually in the Bottom 3 or 4 don't usually get too long to sort things out. He needs to move us up the table; otherwise, the Everton managerial merry-go-round will be switched on again.

Paul Hewitt
223 Posted 09/11/2022 at 10:59:54
I watched Wolfsburg last night; their manager is Nico Kovac who was available when we got Lampard.

After a slow start, Wolfsburg are flying – unbeaten in 7, winning 4. They don't concede, play high-press football, and pass it really well.

That's the manager we should have gotten.

Dave Abrahams
224 Posted 09/11/2022 at 12:01:02
I didn't like the team selected because I don't trust some of the players having seen them perform (?) on numerous occasions but then I saw the Bournemouth team and thought we had a good chance of winning.

Frank made too many changes but the players let him down. Even allowing for Frank's plan and system (?), too many of them just going through the motions. Silly mistakes, lazy or lack of tackling, and only Patterson and Garner really showing any intention of trying to win the game.

So what happens next? The defence will be tightened and stronger on Saturday, the midfield will depend on who is fit; more important is how Frank has them lining up. He's knackered when it comes to strikers, so who is going to provide them?

Will Frank change his plan and system, stop them being wide open in every game with wide-open spaces right through the midfield and relying on an ultra-defensive style of play and hoping we can convert the one or two chances that come our way in every game.

You inherited a poor squad but picked your own coaches – are they helping you? Because you don't seem to be helping yourself by playing the same system throughout every game, even though it isn't working... even changing the subs but staying with the same plan.

Something has to change, Frank. A win on Saturday will earn you time and getting to January may get you some forwards in, which will help.

Unfortunately, it will be a very hard job getting rid of those unhelpful players you used last night. That's not your fault – you were stuck with them like three or four managers – erm... like we were stuck with your chairman.

Tony Waring
225 Posted 09/11/2022 at 12:36:21
I didn't see the game, only 2 minutes of highlights on YouTube.

Whatever our shortcomings, their first two goals were extremely fortunate. Pity we never seem to get such opportunities.

Mind you, Tom Davies missed a sitter.

On to the next match – hope undimmed!

Barry Jones
226 Posted 09/11/2022 at 12:55:57
Hiring Martinez again would be a dreadful mistake.

Mauricio Pochettino would be a fabulous long-term appointment, and we should do everything in our power to bring him in.

Christy Ring
227 Posted 09/11/2022 at 13:08:52
Most of the players that Frank brought in last night were established internationals, and played Premier League football this season, and were here years before Frank.

Everyone wanted Mina back, and they put in no effort whatsoever, against a Bournemouth reserve side. That's the reason he changed the defenders and midfield this summer on a shoestring budget and losing Richarlison as well.

So who threw who under the bus???

Brendan McLaughlin
228 Posted 09/11/2022 at 13:18:41
Frank threw himself under a bus.

If we were in a relegation battle and still in a cup competition towards the business end of the season, I could understand, perhaps even agree with, fielding the second string. But we're not... we're not even at the halfway point yet.

Stephen Colby
229 Posted 09/11/2022 at 13:47:21
With the World Cup beginning in under 2 weeks and the next Premier League game not until Boxing Day, Frank had to use this last opportunity to see which of his overpaid squad he wants off the books in 2023. And they made their own cases for not being needed.

Holgate, Mina and Keane showed yet again that they are surplus to requirements Doucouré is a spent force and Tom Davies would struggle to make Tranmere's midfield. Those failures made their own cases for joining Dele Alli and Rondon in being released or given away in the January window.

With their wages saved, Frank will be able to attract another goal scorer to play alongside Calvert-Lewin. We might have disgraced ourselves last night but let's use the loss to cast adrift some of the rubbish we've accumulated in the past several years.

Andrew Clare
230 Posted 09/11/2022 at 13:59:05
The standards and expectations at Everton are very low and have been for years. We are well and truly out of the loop.

Another relegation battle looms. There is no way that we are going to finish in the Top 15 – let alone the Top 10.

Brendan McLaughlin
231 Posted 09/11/2022 at 14:01:30
Seriously, Stephen #229

Frank's been here coming up on a year, brought in alternatives during the summer for most of the players you listed, and has rarely used most of the players you listed this season — but he still needed to play them together last night as a last opportunity to decide who he wants rid of?

Paul Cherrington
232 Posted 09/11/2022 at 14:19:56
The trouble with many Everton players, for me still, is that they only really put in a decent performance when it is absolutely essential.

Look at when we last played well to beat Palace 3-0 in the league – they came into that under pressure to perform after losing the last couple of games and not playing that well; this saw them up their game and win.

I know last night's side contained the second string, but that attitude seems to run through the entire club still. Look at how the league has gone since we beat Palace – the pressure was off to some extent after that win and the players took their foot off the gas in the last few league games afterwards.

It was the same last season – when they absolutely had to win against Palace to stave off relegation, they got themselves up for it and made sure they got the win. Yet in other games before, when there wasn't this absolute requirement to win or else, they put in half-hearted performances.

Until we can somehow get a group of players who will show intensity, desire and the will to get a win in all matches, we will not progress.

Oh and it goes without saying nothing will improve in general until we sign at least one proven, decent striker in January (and beyond!) for when Calvert-Lewin is out of form or injured.

Or maybe even someone decent to play with him up front for more firepower. I know we got Maupay but he has proven over a few years now that he will not get you bags of goals.

Brian Wilkinson
233 Posted 09/11/2022 at 14:28:54
I'm no expert myself, Danny, I think a lot of us use logic, so the only explanation I can come up with is the following:

We have been struggling from midfield to the final third. With only one more game to go before the break, my logic would have been to stick with the goalkeeper and backline, stick with your best player going forward, that being Iwobi.

So that's Pickford, Patterson, Tarkowski, Coady (if not cup-tied, I think he might have been), and Mykolenko, then the midfield of Iwobi and Garner, and for obvious reasons Maupay in attack. That's the players that should have been in from the start, the players you knew would stand up and perform.

The rest he could have tweaked to try and get a winning formula, made slight changes out wide and midfield.

Last night was a great opportunity to try and see if we could get a better performance going forward; we only needed to make a few changes. But to play a complete different starting 11 is sheer madness.

If it's not broken, stick with it; where it is broken, then try something different there. Just a few tweaks, leave the backline alone, leave Garner and Iwobi in midfield. That's all Frank needed to do last night, but he got too clever and deserves every ounce of blame that comes his way.

Not one single thought for the fans that made the journey. It was bad enough for those of us not able to make the trip, I can only feel for the likes of you and every single Evertonian that made that awful midweek journey, to be treated with so much lack of respect.

Jay Harris
234 Posted 09/11/2022 at 14:40:11
I am sorry, I can't hold anyone but the manager responsible for last night's debacle.

He has had over a year to work with these players and assess them.

Why did he bring Coady and Tarkowski in if he thought that highly of Keane, Mina and Holgate – who between them were responsible for 3 of last night's goals conceded???

Why change all 11 starting positions with only 2 days to go before an important cup game?

I like Frank and I really hope it works out for him but he cannot continue to show this naivety at this level.

Kevin Molloy
235 Posted 09/11/2022 at 14:46:35
What last night shows us, as if we didn't know, is that the players we had in defence last season were as bad as we feared. The reason we've been shocking is we've been relying on Keane, Holgate and Mina.

Of more concern though is Maupay. I would have wanted a better performance than what we got yesterday. I would have thought him, Garner, McNeil, even Tom Davies had every reason to lay it all on the line last night.

So to get stuffed by their reserves in front of that travelling support, is a worrying sign that we are by no means on an upward curve away from the dreaded zone.

Still, that is to a large extent our shadow side; the true verdict comes at the weekend. Win or draw is a decent result.

Michael Kenrick
236 Posted 09/11/2022 at 14:51:44

"Not one single thought for the fans that made the journey. It was bad enough for those of us not able to make the trip, I can only feel for the likes of you and every single Evertonian that made that awful midweek journey, to be treated with so much lack of respect."

Did I mishear or was there something about the club paying for tickets or transport (or both)?
I hope that's not in effect buying off the travelling Blue Army, as if to say, "Don't worry, we're giving them a free-hit tonight and it won't cost you a bean?"

Danny O’Neill
237 Posted 09/11/2022 at 14:53:00
Totally agree with your comments Brian @233. All we had to do is what many of us said prior to the match. Okay, rest a few, but pick a strong team and spine. Get the game won and then rest.

It was awful.

But we'll be back there on Saturday. If they cared as much as we do, they would understand.

I've seen some thumpings over my increasingly many years, but that one hurt more than most because of the lack of desire throughout the team and the bench.

Christy Ring
238 Posted 09/11/2022 at 14:55:15
Jay in all fairness you’d think Mina, Keane and Holgate would be strong enough against a B’mouth reserve team up from the Championship, it shows the hand he was dealt
Pete Clarke
239 Posted 09/11/2022 at 15:11:16
Utter disgrace that the manager can look at those traveling supporters and tell them he was confident we could win that game with the players he put out. I don’t even know if we’d have won it with our first choice 11 to be honest because we’re just bang average at best. I also think it would have answered a lot more questions for him if he’d played the first team because we needed to bounce back from the poor loss to Leicester. We are not in the upper echelon of the Prem so can’t afford to be giving our second string a run out. We need the cup runs.
I seriously believe Frank could be shown the door if we get hammered again this weekend. He needs a draw at least. It’s not about performances even at this early stage because we need points. He needs to shake these players up big time and get them ready to fight.
What the fuck is it with this club of ours that so many managers can fail to get a proper tune out of the players ?
I wouldn’t say Eddie Howe has signed any superstars and yet they are playing really well. Potter was doing great at Brighton before getting poached and even Marco Silva is getting a tune out of the Fulham team.
Maybe Kenwright has them all sat down in the movie room at Finch Farm showing the players and coaches endless videos of Dave Hickson whilst telling them everything will be alright.
Come on Lampard. Stop being nice and show us you are learning.
Kieran Kinsella
240 Posted 09/11/2022 at 15:11:28

Right. The amusing thing is a few posters saying they struggled because they are not used to playing together. These players have been here for half a decade. They are not strangers. They are just crap. But worse than crap is the complete lack of effort. Niasse and Straq were crap but they made an effort. Tom, Mason, Keane and co. respond to everything with a shoulder shrug or a sheepish look around to see if anyone noticed what they did or didn't do. It was the same in the pre-season game v Minnesota with largely the same group. But then people were like "oh well its pre season, they're not as fit as them etc etc" As Rob Halligan said some of these should never play for the club again.

Jay Harris
241 Posted 09/11/2022 at 15:12:03
I have seen enough of Keane and Holgate to know they are a disaster together.

Frank sees them far more than we do so why make them the backbone of our defense last night, surely Coady and Tarkowski didnt both need resting especially with 3 CBs which Coady relishes.

Not only that but what were our tactics last night. There was confusion all over the pitch with only GArner showing any discipline.

Last night reminded me of the days when players don't show up and youre short of 11 so you ask people around the pitch can they play and have they got boots.

We really were that amateur in my eyes.

Jay Harris
242 Posted 09/11/2022 at 15:24:45
Kieran you make my point completely,
If we know they are crap why is a supposed top class coach picking them to play in the team.

Players aside can you honestly tell me what the tactics were last night.

We need some inspiration right through the club and I honestly thought Frank was that man but even with the quality of our best players we very rarely venture over the halfway line except on breakaways when we have one or two players forward.

Our only hope appears to be corners or penalties.

How often do we see our team on the front foot.

We must have the record for pass completion across and backwards from our CBs and GK which invites pressure and does not inspire confidence.

Kieran Kinsella
243 Posted 09/11/2022 at 15:33:06

I think there's a few different discussions crossing paths here. I 100% agree Frank should not have picked those players last night as they are proven to be crap. But I don't buy the excuse on behalf of the players put forth by David Cashen and others that they were "rusty" or not used to playing together. That absolves these players who've been team mates for half a decade of any responsibility and specifically overlooks their attitudes. Christy is correct in thinking that even while being crap that they should be less crap than Bournemouth's crap reserves. But of course they never miss an opportunity to lower the bar given the chance. Were we to have a rematch with that Austrian pub team we beat 22-0 I'd wager that Keane, Davies and co. would contrive some way to lose that game also. I'm hoping Frank has learnt his lesson finally and if necessity dictates changes he will in future give kids a chance on the basis they may be crap or may be good but at least there's that glimmer of hope that it may be the latter.

Jay Harris
244 Posted 09/11/2022 at 15:40:33
Kieran even though a number of them have been here for a few years it is so long since they have played a game together and Frank uses different tactics to what they have been used to.

As I said I really like Frank and hope it works out but for me last night is totally on him and he has to show he can inspire whoever he puts out and not destroy them after the game by blaming them. He will certainly lose the dressing room if he keeps blaming the players. The supporters can do that but the manager should never do that.

Brian Wilkinson
246 Posted 09/11/2022 at 16:14:44
The cost of a ticket has been credited to the fans who attended last night as a credit for future tickets, but the cost of transport was not included Mike.

Not a bad gesture, but no excuse that like you say gave the club a free hit to play a totally different 11 players.

If you ask any fan who attended that they would have to pay for their ticket, but Everton would field their near starting 11, they would have gladly paid for the ticket, instead they were served up a pile of dross by playing players who have time and again let the team and fans down.

I bet those in the stadium felt like crying when they saw that starting 11, I did and I was sat at home, in front of the tv.

A big opportunity to get some confidence back, a chance for another cup tie, all thrown away by putting 11 different players on the pitch, at the same time, ten if you want to include Patterson.

11 players expecting to gel in just one game, no words cannot express that logic in thinking.

Andy Crooks
247 Posted 09/11/2022 at 16:43:03
The specimens who disgraced the club last night do not get the concept of shame. They really are hard to support and I have no words to describe my respect for the Blues who did so last night. Frank is out of his depth but Pep would be out of his depth at the shambles that is Everton.
Brian Wilkinson
248 Posted 09/11/2022 at 16:46:58
Getting a credit for the ticket is right up there with getting a free ticket for an inclusive bunny girls club.

You go expecting to see some entertainment, but instead you get the roly polys, well the ticket was free so enjoy the roly polys (apologies if it goes over some of our overseas fan base, not knowing who the roly polys are.

Martin Mason
249 Posted 09/11/2022 at 16:49:55
The problem we had last night was that we put out a tragically weak side showing what a weak squad we really have. We played a bad shape dictated by having no strikers and they outplayed and outworked us at all times. I don't blame the players at all, they are just not good enough in general.
Martin Mason
250 Posted 09/11/2022 at 16:55:24
Puts into perspective how incredible it was that we stayed up last year. We were the worst team in the division.
Andy Crooks
251 Posted 09/11/2022 at 18:23:39
Martin, spot on @250.However, @249, you say they out worked us. Down to the players,that. Any player who is out worked should be ashamed. They don't do shame. Frank was shit too. It seems to hurt him, though, not the no marks who wore the shirt last night. They disgraced the club, doubt they give a fuck, though.
Martin Mason
252 Posted 09/11/2022 at 18:27:39
Fair comment Andy.
Andy Crooks
253 Posted 09/11/2022 at 18:35:24
Oh,meant to say, Michael Kenrick, I am a big fan of your headlines. This one is absolutely magnificent! No need for a match report, brilliant.
Eddie Dunn
254 Posted 09/11/2022 at 18:43:38
Andy -spot- on...that headline from Michael is the best ever.
Mike Gwyer
255 Posted 09/11/2022 at 19:02:25
It's obvious that Lampard is under pressure. He made 11 changes last night in a game he probably couldn't give a shit about. For Frank, it's the 3 points on Saturday that shine far brighter, so he's making sure his main players do not pickup any knocks, cards or cramps ahead of Saturday.

I've seen enough of the Keane and Holgate partnership to write several horror stories, so I knew what was coming. I was ready. However, Frank is a professional, this is his job and he assumes that the players are professionals as well. Well, he don't anymore… and he rightly said so in his post-match chat.

The problem we have on Saturday will be up top and I'm praying that Frank has a God moment and comes up with a solution. If I did have his ear, I would tell him that Maupay is probably not the answer... but I don't.

For me, Frank is the way forward, I know it's not great at the moment, but he will be picking the team for Saturday and I have every faith that it will be a solid starting 11... COYB

Brian Wilkinson
256 Posted 09/11/2022 at 19:08:17
I said last summer and will say it again: take the part cash, Broja and Gallagher for Gordon.

Any money left, use it to bring Brereton Diaz in.

That should fix our attacking options, with Gallagher running the show in midfield.

Mike Gwyer
257 Posted 09/11/2022 at 19:25:44
Brian #256,

Gordon's light is not shining as bright anymore... actually I'm not sure he even had a light but, if he did, it's well gone.

So... no way on God's earth will we get Broja and Gallagher for Gordon... Chelsea will laugh in our faces and say "£20M tops!"

Matt Henderson
258 Posted 09/11/2022 at 19:38:52
At least we now know why Frank is reluctant to make subs, they’re all shite.
Christy Ring
259 Posted 09/11/2022 at 20:24:14
Brian #256,

Chelsea never made an official bid of £60M for Gordon, and there's no way they would have included or valued both Gallagher and Broja for less than £35M each; Lampard would definitely have taken them if that was the case.

Brian Wilkinson
260 Posted 09/11/2022 at 23:21:04
We won't now, that's for sure. At the time, I reckon Chelsea would have negotiated for those two players, no way will they now.
Craig Walker
261 Posted 10/11/2022 at 07:36:00
Yet again, I got caught up in the euphoria over summer based on us signing an unknown raw talent for a high fee (Moise Kean, anyone?) and re-signing an aging player who was decent first time round for us but wasn't exactly Peter Reid, was he?

I'd rank him alongside Thomas Gravesen as Everton “greats”. We'd signed “leaders” and “men”. Our midfield was going to boss games. Gordon was going to bed down and show his worth. Yet again I started dreaming of us playing some good stuff.

Yet again, there's a clamour to sack the manager and start again by November. The only positive of being an Evertonian at the moment is the new stadium build and an ever-diminishing illustrious past. Really not sure how much more I can take.

It used to be fun. Now it's just a continuous cycle of hope turning to frustration turning to panic. At least some of us remember the glory days. My 11-year-old has experienced one win over Liverpool in his lifetime and an amazing comeback and that's pretty much it. Depressing.

Paul Cherrington
262 Posted 10/11/2022 at 11:36:53
The other thing that disappoints me currently is how reluctant Lampard is to play our most promising young players. This would have been an ideal game to try some of the best, like Mills, Warrington and Welch. Even in league games, why does he not bring them on as subs if we are struggling and need something different?

I know we can't expect the youngsters to solve all our problems, and some may not be quite ready yet – but surely players such as those above are worth a go? For a manager who has a reputation for giving youth its chance, Lampard has not lived up to this for me as yet.

Brian Hennessy
263 Posted 10/11/2022 at 12:35:12
I agree, Paul @262. It would have been nice to see the youngsters given more time.

The one positive I can take from Tuesday is that Frank will have learned a lot about the 11 that took to the pitch.

He made his mind up about Gomes and a few others at the end of last season. I recon Tuesday will have helped him make a decision about the likes of Keane, Holgate, Mina, Doucoure and a few others. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are told that, if they want to get games, they need to find a new club, starting in January.

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