Bielsa flies in for Everton talks

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Updated Marcelo Bielsa has jetted in to England to hold talks with Everton, with the Board hoping to make an appointment by the end of the week from a shortlist that appears to have been pared down to the Argentinian and Sean Dyche.

Bielsa, who was sacked by Leeds almost a year ago after four years in charge at Elland Road, was pictured arriving at Heathrow from Brazil today and is reported by The Telegraph and the Daily Mail to have been in London today meeting with the Blues' hierarchy, although the suggestions are that the 67-year-old will need to be convinced that the conditions are right for him at Goodison Park.

Late reporting by David Maddock in The Mirror suggests that the Argentinian is "warming" to the prospect of taking on the Everton project and that, having also held talks with Dyche, Farhad Moshiri and the Board are hoping to make a decision by the end of Friday after one more round of negotiations with both candidates.

Dyche is said by The Telegraph's Matt Law and Chris Bascombe to be enthusiastic about the opportunity, even if it's on a short-term basis just to try and keep Everton in the division.

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He has been out of work since being dismissed himself by Burnley last spring and is keen to get back into management. Caretaker boss, Mike Jackson was unable to keep the Clarets in the Premier League while Bielsa's replacement, Jesse Marsch, steered Leeds to safety on the final day of last season. 

Bielsa, who was very close to getting the Mexico national team job before their selection committee went with another candidate at the last minute, was thought to have cooled on the idea of taking over at Everton but if these reports are correct, he might be prepared to be convinced it is the right fit after all.

Neither he nor his entourage would come cheap, however, with various reports, including by The Independent and Sky Sports suggesting that he is demanding between £10m and £12m a year from Everton.

Bielsa manager had reportedly been set to become the next Mexico manager as part of their preparations for the 2026 World Cup, but a newly formed committee of club team owners voted against appointing him.

Davide Ancelotti, son of former Toffees boss Carlo, has been discussed as an alternative option to both of the leading candidates according to the Mail while West Bromwich Albion's Carlos Corberan was also considered.



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Alan Johnson
1 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:36:56
I was really excited about the prospect of having Bielsa. It now seems that the plight we're in, he is too much of a risk. Being Everton, there is a possibility that he could walk away. This would leave us done and dusted.

For me, Dyche is the reality of where we are. Give him the job.

Rob Halligan
2 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:47:02
Kevin Thelwell and Barrett-Baxendale are due at Finch Farm today, where it is understood Sean Dyche will be interviewed for the manager's job.

I might just pop down there later on and have a word with Vinny O'Connor, who must have pitched a tent up outside Fiinch FarmF, as he's been there for four consecutive days now! Poor fella must be freezing. Anyone got a purple dildo!! 🤭🤭

Peter Carpenter
3 Posted 26/01/2023 at 09:51:18
Enough of this nonsense. Dyche will do.
Anthony Murphy
4 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:09:09
I really think Dyche shows a lack of forward planning, imagination and highlights that yet again the DoF has been ignored.

There are lots of managers out there that would jump at the chance of managing in the Premier League, but we do what we always do – draw up a shortlist of out-of-work managers with premier league experience (who the owner has heard of) and add a few ‘legends’ to the list.

Bielsa and Dyche are polar opposites – why can’t we look for a specific type to suit the DoF and his strategy? It could be done – the likes of Todesco is an example. Why not invite him over too and see if he’s a good fit?

Appointing Dyche makes sense – I get it – but the EFC recruitment processes of managers is amateur and for a Premier League club, that’s not good enough.

Nick Page
5 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:10:15
Any other club would have sorted this out weeks ago. Identified a manager, sacked the incumbent, bring them straight in to work with the squad and identify some players and a strategy.

And Barrett-Baxendale is doing interviews with a couple of days to go. What in the world is her value add? Is she there asking if they understand EitC and they're prepared to do hospital visits at Crimbo?

Get the fuck out of here. It's an absolute complete and utter shambles and everyone one of them should have walked. We're finished.

Kevin Molloy
6 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:11:30
The fact that Denise Barrett-Baxendale is interviewing candidates tells you everything about why we are a basket case.

In fact, why are we even interviewing anyone? It makes it look like we hold the knowledge, and we are running the rule over young aspirants, when it is the polar opposite of that.

We have people plucked from the charity sector, with no knowledge or background of football let alone professional football at elite level, adjudicating as to who we should go with. It's a total farce.

The thing which infuriates me about it is, it's not random that Barrett-Baxendale got that job. She's a shield. A loyal soldier for Bill, and one who is difficult to attack.

"Isn't she wonderful, she's worked for Evertonians in the direst need."

"You're just having a go at her cos she's a woman" – it's the Greta Thunberg playbook.

Gerry Quinn
7 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:24:57
According to Wiki, Sean Dyche was a Redshite supporter growing up amd lives in Nottingham (he spent 3 to 4 days a week living in Burnley when managing them!!!!!

Hopefully we get somebody that will spend more time with our players in training, etc

Tony Everan
8 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:31:50
I really like Bielsa but I have to agree with the comments that coming in now won’t work. Bielsa himself is thinking the same and I don’t think he wants to come in and be party to false expectations. He is being up front, this is why he is rumoured saying he is interested in taking the job in the summer.

He will need time and a squad overhaul to play the way he wants. If we have to wait Corberan could be a more forward thinking appointment in the summer?

Right now with this squad and time ticking away relentlessly in this transfer window I cannot see past Dyche as being the best bet to keep us up.

The quality young potentials are likely being sold and they will be replaced by two or three loans or bargain, time served professionals to scrap our way to safety.

That looks like the short term survival plan?

Sam Hoare
9 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:40:40
It would seem that it is now between Dyche and Bielsa with Alan Myers (usually a reliable source) saying that both have met the hierarchy and have more meetings today.

I think both of them are good managers and could eb good choices but what is strange and characteristic of Everton over the last 8 years is that both these coaches have wildly different approaches and philosophies.

Brighton lost Graham Potter and straight away bought in De Zerbi, a manager with a similar emphasis on attacking, energetic football and high pressing.

Well run clubs have a continuity of identity and style; the players are bought to fulfill the remit and if one manager leaves then another with similar philosophy is bought in with often minimal disruption.

We have lurched from Koeman to Allardyce to Silva to Ancelotti to Benitez. All different styles requiring different players to enact their philosophy. No wonder our squad is a mess!

Brian Williams
10 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:43:17
Get Dyche in today. Rinse the Geordie maggots for £40M for Gordon and get two players in before Tuesday and let's give it a fucking good go!
Andrew Clare
11 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:52:04
Get ready for more mediocrity and relegation. Get ready to sell our best players, get ready for dour football.

Our board haven't got a clue. They have so far interviewed two managers who are failures. What for? When we want success. Even if that success only means staying in the Premier League.

Christopher Timmins
12 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:53:35
If it is down to the two named individuals I think the current squad is more likely to work better over the next 18 games under Dyche than Bielsa. It would be a hard watch though but we would be in a better place survival wise than we were this time last week under our former manager.

BBC reporting that Duncan is going to Forest Green and I for one would like to wish him well.

Mark Ryan
13 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:54:03
Get Dyche. That's all that matters. Bielsa has said no or signed on for a state pension so just get a manager in. It's massively important.
Geoff Lambert
14 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:56:43
We will leave the new manager till Tuesday then bring in a last minute desperate loan at 10pm. I think this time it could be to late are there really three teams worse than us?

Cue DCL injury flare up... Sean Dyche now favourite with all the bookies and odds shortening all the time. Dyche it is then they usually have the inside information.

Trevor Peers
15 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:59:16
Anyone who thought Bielsa was the answer is as crazy as Moshiri, he would of had this lot of players going on strike.

Dyche at least offers some kind of stability, something we haven't seen and badly need since Moyes left the club.

Eddie Dunn
16 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:59:59
Sam, continuity is fine when a manager has set-up good systems but we wouldn't want more of Lampardball would we?

I would be excited at the prospect of Bielsa coming in but, as others have said, the squad would need a full preseason in order to acclimatise to the high energy play.

Imagine our defence pushing-up to halfway I shudder at the thought of our cruise liners trying to turn in pursuit of another speedboat.

It has to be Dyche, although I think us winning enough games to stay up might be beyond him. However, the odd win and plenty of draws and at least we wouldn't be in freefall.
With a few other teams on the slide, a new hard-to-beat Everton might escape.

Whoever it is, it better be soon, as that window is going to shut.

Brendan McLaughlin
17 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:00:28
Dyche now odds on with most bookies Bielsa drifting.
Nick Page
18 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:05:18
Just get Dyche in now and stop messing around Everton. Time is running out
Tony Everan
19 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:09:24
I really like Bielsa but I have to agree with the comments that coming in now won’t work. Biesla himself is thinking the same and I don’t think he wants to come in and be party to false expectations. He is being up front, this is why he is rumoured saying he is interested in taking the job in the summer. He will need time and a squad overhaul to play the way he wants. If we have to wait Corberan could be a more forward thinking appointment in the summer?

Right now with this squad and time ticking away relentlessly in this transfer window I cannot see past Dyche as being the best bet to keep us up. The quality young potentials are likely being sold and they will be replaced by two or three loans or bargain, time served professionals to scrap our way to safety.

That looks like the short term survival plan ?

Steve Brown
20 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:11:16
I hope the board simplify this decision.

What we need from our next manager is to get us 20 points from our last 19 games assuming 35 league points will keep us up.

It appears typically random of Everton to choose such different footballing philosophies for its short-listed candidates. Shouldn’t Thelwell have a template of how we want this squad to play and short-listing candidates based on that?

It will be a distinct advantage if the manager knows the club, the players and the premiership. If they are dead set on Bielsa or Dyche, then choose the manager most likely to get us those 20 points - Dyche. He will simplify the gameplan and start with making us hard to beat.

He also seems a straight and engaging bloke.

But let’s not over-eulogise him or claim he didn’t have Burnley headed for relegation when he was sacked in April 2021. He had a bad season that year and I hope he has learned from it.

Andrew Grey
21 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:11:31
Guess it's Dyche then.

Needs supporting by everyone, players especially, to get out of this mess.

Andrew Grey
22 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:14:33
I've had a hunch for a while that we will beat Arsenal whoever the manager is. No idea why. The doctor has been called.
Andy Duff
23 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:14:55
Shows your how ridiculous this club is. Where is the long term plan? Two completely opposite styles of play.

This is why we are in this mess. The squad is a mismash of styles from previous managers.

If this is on Thelwell then he's obviously got no long term plan if this is Moshiri saying these two only pick one then Thelwell should go on principle.

I'll support anyone who comes in but we seriously need to double down on getting the board and owner gone.

Yet again they have shown they have no idea what they are doing. It's groundhog day again.

The writing had been on the wall for a while with Frank why didn't they plan ahead and have a list of successors lined up to go.

Andrew Grey
24 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:18:08
Andy (18),

Unfortunately it's not the time for long-term, we need a short time fix to get out of this mess.

If there are any other suitable names that could do that job that we could afford and want it, then let's hear them.

Colin Glassar
25 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:20:58
I'm pinching myself and biting my tongue in an effort not to scream. Let it be Dyche on a 6-month contract and then have a manager lined up by the final day of the season.

It should be made clear to Dyche that he is only interim manager. Please don't offer him multi-year deals like we did with Sam only to have to pay him off.

This works for both parties. He saves us from relegation. He adds a massive club to his CV and Barrett-Baxendale gives him a good reference. Everyone happy.

Jim Bennings
26 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:21:41
I'm passed worrying who it is, I just want this club to act like a professional football club and also to start getting some wins on that green grass.

Whoever it is, welcome to the fuckin circus, lads, hope you've got the best jester suits available.

Michael Lynch
27 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:23:48
I'm in the market for a used car, and I'm test driving a Ford Transit and a Ferrari today, because either of them would do the job okay I think.


Joshua Steadman
28 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:24:36
I thought Bielsa has accepted being Mexico new coach? Wrong again?

I would still prefer Dyche. Just think first and foremost he would make us hard to beat. Maybe score more often from set pieces. Will give all the players a chance. Just hoping I guess.

Joe Corgan
29 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:25:13
I've never been less interested in who we appoint. Admittedly I was dead against the Rooney, Ferguson, Unsworth options as I feel some experience of managing at the top level should be a prerequisite.

But our only goal should be to stay up. Even thinking about the long-term is, in my opinion, a waste of time due to the uncertainty of the club's league position.

Whether or not we stay up is a roll of a dice. And we need to roll a six. I honestly don't think the choice of manager will make much of a difference. Bielsa is just as likely as Dyche to keep us up and vice versa.

Barry Rathbone
30 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:26:21
Of the two, it would have to be Dyche.

As a native of these islands he will know the potential of the club and realise what an honour it would be to manage it regardless of the doldrums of recent decades.

The Argentine approach (if news reports are right) appears to have a whiff of the Koeman about it a vibe of we'd be lucky to have him. Not good.

I've always liked Dyche since he faced down Klopp and we have needed an abrasive street fighter to shake the club up for decades. But if he comes I hope our vociferous lunatic fringe give him time.

Kevin Molloy
31 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:27:22
Myers now saying the club are planning more interviews with both candidates and are 'hopeful of making an appointment by the weekend' – ie, Sunday night.

So is the plan to sell the club to the players we desperately need without a manager? I think it is. There is incompetence, and then there is the jaw-dropping idiocy of this lot.

Jim Wilson
32 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:30:13
Yes, get Dyche in today.

The simple and sensible thing to do.

We have the players who can play in a normal 4-4-2/4-5-1 system, and hopefully we can add a forward and a midfield general to help Gueye.

Get the basics right and I am sure the players are good enough to get us to mid table.

Bielsa would be madness.

Peter Carpenter
33 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:32:12
Andrew (5) they are all failures. Every one of our last 5 managers had been sacked somewhere before coming to us. The only one who hadn't was Martinez. We fixed that for him.
Paul Hewitt
34 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:32:14
This should have been sorted on Sunday. Get Dyche in quick. We need new players!!!!
Barry Hesketh
35 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:32:40
It does appear, not for the first time in recent history, that there is a disconnect between what the owner wants and what the day-to-day board members want. Frank Lampard or Vítor Pereira, Benitez or Moyes/Ferguson and now Dyche or Bielsa.

With Moyes being a former appointment of chairman Bill Kenwright and majority shareowner Farhad Moshiri apparently a fan of Espirito Santo, it's looking like it'll come down to a battle of wills between the two without much consideration being paid to who Brands would want, despite the Dutchman being in charge of transfers and setting the strategic direction for the club in his role as Director of Football.
(June 2021)

Less than two years later and we still have this apparent divide, little wonder we find ourselves in a mess, perhaps, we should appoint two managers, one for Goodison and one for the away games.

The new guy will need all the luck in the world, to try and fix the 'back of the house' and the 'front of house' I hope whichever it is, tells the owner and the board to only look at his results on the park, and keeps the lot of them at arm's length, whilst he gets on with the job he is hired to do.

Mike Price
36 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:33:07
Criticising the club because the managers have differing approaches would make sense if we were comfortable in mid table. They have to decide which approach in the short term, may keep us up and if we do go down, get us back up next season before the move to the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Dyche ticks both boxes but if we weren't relegation threatened Bielsa would have been a more exhilarating ride.

Ernie Baywood
37 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:34:58
So it's Dyche on the logic that he'll make us harder to score against and not such easy touches.

Guess what? Our goals conceded actually stacks up ok compared to everyone except the top 3.

We're trying to solve the wrong problem. I'm not even sure they'd know that though.

Peter Carpenter
38 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:35:15
"Thank you for coming to this first round of interviews, Mr Dyche. Now, first question, what is your favourite Bill Kenwright production and why?"
Andy Duff
39 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:35:27
Andrew my point is this. The whole short term thinking got us in this mess. If they had anything about them they would look to try and recruit for a style of play and start fixing this. We are not in that much of a mess either half the season left to play. There's plenty still left to play for so it's not as desperate as people make it out.

To have two polar opposite managerial styles shows you the clowns running this club have learnt nothing and are being reactive not proactive again. A year from now we'll probably be looking again same arguments same reactionary appointment from board. It's groundhog day all over again. Last year it was Lampard or Pierra, rock or hard place, this year these two with probably same results.

It's not for me to pick a manager. It's for those supposed experts to decide.

If I had to choose out of these two it would be Dyche simply because the players we have currently would fit better with his style of play.

Doesn't mean he's the best choice either.

No matter who it is I'll back them fully and support them and the team.

Ian Bennett
40 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:36:57
Dyche feels like Big Sam Lite…
Ray Robinson
41 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:41:06

Bielsa hasn't got the players or the time to implement his vision.

Barry Hesketh
42 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:42:02
Ernie @ 37,

That's a really good point, and I only noticed it yesterday about the number of goals Everton has conceded compared to the rest around us in the division.

Some would argue that the goals conceded doesn't fully reflect the number of chances offered to our opponents, and that is probably fair. But it's pretty obvious to me, that It's scoring and creating chances that has been the real issue.

Have we got the firepower within the squad, the answer would have to be No. Can we buy it before the 31 January? Unlikely, unless we get really lucky with a loan or cheap buy.

Tony Abrahams
43 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:48:50
I wonder if Moshiri is in London, waiting for Moyes?

Bielsa allegedly wants faster defenders, because he likes his team to play on the front foot and it's common knowledge that Everton have only been playing on the back foot for years.

Peter Carpenter
44 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:49:50
Bielsa – right man, wrong time, sadly.

Dyche – the only logical choice left.

Just don't fart around, DO IT! The house is on fire and you haven't even called the fire brigade.

Anthony Dove
45 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:52:08
Where we are now Dyche must be the sensible choice. Don't give him a long contract initially, but he may well prove to have more strings to his bow than he was able to display at Burnley. I still remember the picture of him coming out in his shirt sleeves to inspect a frozen pitch.

Who knows, he might even be able to teach Iwobi how to tackle.

Ernie Baywood
46 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:53:12
Barry #42, it's unlikely but it's probably our only chance.

Say, for argument's sake, we're halfway through the season. If we go down the 'organised/defensive' route we might concede, what, 5 goals less than the first half of the season? Bear in mind that 23 conceded would be the 5th best record in the league for the first half of the season, so it won't happen anyway!

We've scored 15. Second worst in the league. Surely there's more scope for getting that to midtable level (which would be about 10 to 15 goals added) than there is of us becoming a defensive unit amongst the very best in the league.

Very numbers focused and a bit Moneyball, I know. But it makes sense right?

Anthony Murphy
47 Posted 26/01/2023 at 11:55:46
All logic points to Dyche – so it'll be Bielsa.
Barry Hesketh
48 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:00:41
Ernie @46,

The number of league goals conceded for Everton stands at 28 from 20 games, so 1.4 per game.

In the bottom seven, only West Ham have conceded less. A tightening up in defence always helps, but only if we start creating and taking chances.

Marc Hints
49 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:01:03
Good interview this and just what we need:

Ernie Baywood
50 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:03:15
Barry, so if that was the task at hand... Would you hire Dyche? I wouldn't.
Sam Hoare
51 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:05:45
Ernie, interestingly though our 'expected goals' is around midtable and our 'expected goals against' is right down the bottom. It would seem that we have been the beneficiary of good goalkeeping and poor finishing by opposition; whilst our own players should have scored more from the chances we've had.

This tallies somewhat with what i've seen on the pitch where we seem to give up endless opportunities.

The main thing is for the team to be better organised (shouldn't be too hard) and I think Dyche could bring that. He's not a glamourous option but I think he may be the best fit with the players we have.

A narrow 4-4-2 with hard-working players and direct football, hoping to catch teams on the break or grab a set piece.

Coleman Tarkowski Mina Mykolenko
Townsend Onana Gueye Iwobi
Calvert-Lewin Gray

It's not great but it's all we have. I wonder who he would target if he came in? Possibly an upgrade at full-back, either side. Probably at right-wingback, though I think Townsend may be quite a Dyche player in the way as he works hard whilst scoring the odd long-ranger.

Marc Hints
52 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:05:47
Really, Ernie?

I watched a lot of Burnley over the years and they actually played some nice footy, even a game against us they had 40 passes then scored and actually played us off the park.

Dale Rose
53 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:07:07
Andrew 22,

The guards at the home for incurable optimists are searching for you. Having said that, hopefully you're right.

Darren Hind
54 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:07:58
I think Seamus, Gana, Coady, Tarkowski and Mykolenko will be glued to Sky Sports News for the next few days..

One would have them launching Hail Mary ball's to the edge of the opposition box. The other will run them into the fucking ground.

Keane, Holgate and Big Yerry will also be on to their agents shitting themselves in case the mad Argie gets it.

Part of me wants Bielsa to get the nod as I'm beginning to worry I may never see an Everton team trying to get into the opposition half again, but then I dismiss the notion as a momentary lapse of reason.

This has gone beyond personal choices now. We simply have to get behind whoever gets the nod and pray he can get a tune out of this crew.

Barry Hesketh
55 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:08:16
Ernie @50,

I just don't know to be honest, but given that short interview that Marc @49 has given the link to, it would seem that Dyche has the ability to create a team ethic, based on hard work.

Whether he has the nous to create a team that will be able to produce enough goals to win enough points, I'm not so sure.

Paul Cherrington
56 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:08:24
I think Dyche is the best option for us and would be the one to go for. He knows some of our players already, proper leader, no-nonsense and more tactically aware than people give him credit for.

He's also got experience of working with not much money and getting the best out of average players at the wrong end of the league. I think he would do well for us and gives us the best chance of staying up.

It will be fun to see him giving Klopp some stick at the next derby too as they don't seem to get on at all!

Fran Mitchell
57 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:09:00
Absolutely sums up Everton.

You couldn't have 2 more polar opposites.


Colin Glassar
58 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:09:10
Looks like Dyche then. So I'm going to jump the gun before the inevitable happens.

Dyche Out!!!

Marc Hints
59 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:11:50
Sean Dyche's Burnley against us:

WHAT A GOAL | 24-Pass Move v Everton

Joe Digney
60 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:13:13
Rob @ 2

Me Mrs has a blue one, will that do?

Julian Exshaw
61 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:13:54
With the greatest of respect to those who support his appointment, I still fail to comprehend why Sean Dyche is the Number 1 choice. Is it because there is simply a lack of choice?

What evidence is there to support the notion that he can get us out of this mess? Should he, however, pull us out of this, I will be the first to eat humble pie and say so here but, frankly, I don't get it.

Robert Tressell
62 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:16:47
Fran # 57. It's a good point and highlights our complete lack of any footballing identity.

Darren Hind
63 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:18:42
Thats a false start, Colin. You cheat!

The manager has to be confirmed before you can call for his head.

James Newcombe
64 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:19:20
I agree Marc, get him in. Maybe we'll be able to defend and score from corners.
Colin Glassar
65 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:19:30
New manager out!!! Happy, Darren?😄😄
Darren Hind
66 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:20:38
Bastard... I wish I'd have thought of that.
Kunal Desai
67 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:21:30
Dyche it is. He has some ex-Burnley players in the side. McNeil, Tarkowski and Keane. He just needs to add Jay Rodriguez and Mathias Vydra now.

Maybe he might also bring Aaron Lennon back.

Burnton, Burnton.

Tony Hill
68 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:21:38
Barry @30, indeed so.
Stuart Sharp
69 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:25:06
Julian, what kind of evidence do you mean?

He has a track record of keeping shit teams up.
He doesn't suffer fools.
His teams are well-organised and generally defend well.
He's pragmatic, doing the best with what's available.

I'm not saying he'd give me confidence... just a bit of hope. The other names have far less evidence to support them, in my view.

Danny O’Neill
70 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:25:44
I'm very sad about this if it is true. It tells us where we are as the options are limited and not many with credibility will touch us.

I can't and won't give up on them so whoever they appoint, just get us the points we need.

Then sell or fix the club at the right level, Mr Moshiri.

Arild Andersen
71 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:26:41
What a mess this is. I hoped for some long-term thinking at last, but it seems no lessons have been learned.
Robert Tressell
72 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:31:22
Given our financial position and refusal to innovate, it should have been Dyche instead of Ancelotti.

It should not be Bielsa now.

The alternative is to appoint Baines or Rooney to oversee inevitable relegation and get in a progressive young manager / coach to work in a completely overhauled model that we develop in the Championship.

Dyche gives us the best chance to stay up.

Ray Smith
73 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:34:02
Just listened to Tim Vickery talking about Bielsa, and from what he said is that Bielsa is not for the short term, but thinks it unlikely he would take the job without Moshiri agreeing to his demands.

So is it Bielsa who will run this squad into the ground and possibly/probably relegation, or Dyche who also won't stand any nonsense, and keep us up!, but where do we go from there?

Is Dyche another Eddie Howe who has previously not been given the opportunity he now has at Newcastle. Hopefully we may hear today if it's Dyche or tomorrow if it's Bielsa.

However, the window shuts on Monday, so here we go again, more panic buys with little or no time to negotiate player(s) contracts.

Fran Mitchell
74 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:34:53
Of the two, if it was after the Bournemouth debacles, then Bielsa. He'd have had 6 weeks to train with the players, and then a full transfer window to work with.

But now, with hardly any time to work with the players and where games will come thick and fast, and little to no change in playing squad, then Dyche seems the option who can be pragmatic and get organisation.

Andy Crooks
75 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:35:52
Hope it's Dyche.

I cannot believe that Barrett-Baxendale has any part in this process nor that she is interviewing. If true it would rank, in my mind, as the single most disturbing thing I have ever heard in over 50 years as a Blue.

Derek Knox
76 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:36:04
If it is indeed down to between Bielsa and Dyche, Bielsa doesn't have the time or the players to implement his style. We are facing a possible relegation-fighting scenario and survival is paramount, so it has to be Dyche for me.

I don't think he will be as bad as many make him out to be, Carlo had a lot of time and admiration for him when he was with us, so that is a good reference, even though he did walk out on us.

He was idolised for the most part by Burnley Fans. Pity about having been a RS Supporter when growing up, but I'm sure his allegiances will change once he is in the hot seat. Let's get this announced and get a contingency plan for the Transfer Window while we still have a few days to go.

The Future's Bright, The Future's Ginger!

Ray Jacques
77 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:43:46
I mentioned wanting Bielsa before Frank was sacked, but reading the posts on here and rumours about him not liking our style of play etc, I think pragmatically it has to be Dyche.

Each day that goes by without an appointment puts us a day closer to relegation as it's one day less for the guy to bring players in and work with the existing, just make a fuckin decision.

Can't wait for the presser where it's a photo of Dyche with Denise in a headlock.

Ginger Mourinho – as my Burnley mate likes to sing.

Geoff Lambert
78 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:53:25
Are we looking for someone to keep us up? Is that it? Groundhog Day every year.

Bielsa for me need the whole system shaking up and he is the man to do it. Fast pressing attacking football no more pass around the back Pep wanabees, or sit back and see how long we can hold on.

This is going to be a rollercoaster ride till the end of the season. And I would prefer a ride on the big one than a trip on the ghost train.

We are going down if we don't start scoring goals goals and more goals. Striker in now hopefully with the Gordon money and let's involve a couple of the young lads, Mills etc, go down fighting at least.

Brian Williams
79 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:58:32
Geoff #78,

Are we looking for someone to keep us up? is that it?

Yes, Geoff that is it. As much as we all find it hard to believe that's the situation we're in.

Staying up this season, with where we're at, will be a minor miracle in itself.

Alan McGuffog
80 Posted 26/01/2023 at 12:59:42
Colin 58,

According to Wiki he grew up in Kettering supporting guess who?

So we've a ready-made reason for hounding him out.

Hugh Jenkins
81 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:00:00
In 2018 he (Dyche) managed to get Burnley into a European qualification spot – something we haven't achieved in a long time.

I often felt with him that it was a case of "Give me the tools and I will do the job."

Hopefully, if he is appointed, he will be able to do something positive with our "tools". (Pun intended.)

Eric Myles
82 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:01:11
Dyche 'cos we've already got a song for him.

"He's got red hair but we don't care"

And the last ginger manager we had saved us from relegation and got us into Europe.

Liam Heffernan
83 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:01:31
Are we Burnley 2.0 now.
Dave Lynch
84 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:01:57
It's got to be Dyche.
Bielsa will cost to much money and want long term contracts for him and his team.
Dyche may accept a short term deal and work with who we already have.
Eric Myles
85 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:04:20
Dave #84, surely who we already have are part of the problem?
Dan Parker
86 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:07:01
Dyche for the situation. And I hope if he does get us the table we don’t just sack him off later because we don’t like the style.
Brian Harrison
87 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:07:11
Whichever is chosen then it needs to happen quickly, only 5 days left of the window and the decision as to whether the new manager keeps or sells Gordon has to be his. Seems Moshiri wants Bielsa and the rest of the board want Dyche.

I also think that whoever is appointed a large section of the fans wont want him, but we need to come together as a club and give him our full backing.

I would also say that the protest by the different groups has been very successful in as much as the world and his wife know the majority of fans would like both the owner and the board removed.

But I think the banners need to be put away and just like the protest group say to Kenwright if you love the club then go, I would say to them if you love the club as you do then call off the protest and let the new manager see that at the end of the day the club is far more important than carrying on with the protest.

Frank Sheppard
88 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:08:43
Dyche is my choice of those two.
Alec Gaston
89 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:12:43
Bielsa works to an annual contract which he reviews each year to make sure the club are happy with him and also to make sure he is happy with the club and they haven't broken any promises.

Not saying he is the answer but just giving some perspective.

Danny Baily
90 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:13:35
Either would be a good appointment.
Barry Hesketh
91 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:16:08
Brian @87,

I tend to agree with you about the protests being suspended until such time as Everton's fate is known, one way or the other. There's going to be no changes, at least voluntarily, in the hierarchy until the summer at the earliest. Now is the time to fully focus on the team out on the pitch and try and help them to maintain Everton's place in the top division.

Mark Ryan
92 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:20:30
I have simply copied post 1 by Alan
I too was really excited about the prospect of having Bielsa. It now seems that the plight we're in, he is too much of a risk. Being Everton, there is a possibility that he could walk away. This would leave us done and dusted.
For me, Dyche is the reality of where we are. Give him the job asap
Mark Ryan
93 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:23:18
Bob Mortimer described Dyche as having Island hair and a disc beard but he'll do for me. I now expect Farley on You Tube to have a field day taking the piss but he'll do for me. Grit, determination and will take no shit
Joe McMahon
94 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:24:44
Nevermind "What would Everton do" What would Brentford or Brighton do!!!

What would Everton do?- use no imagination at all. But apparently according to Bill Everton always get it right.

John Raftery
95 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:25:36
Who’s interviewing who? If I was Dyche I would have many searching questions about the financial position, the prospects for strengthening the team in what remains of this transfer window, the recruitment plans for the summer, the role of the Director of Football, the level of support from the board as a whole and what contingency plans exist if the worst happens and we are relegated.

If Dyche had been available twelve months ago he would have been my first choice. Then I would have been in a minority. Now most fans are realistic about the type of character we need and the calibre of manager we can attract. I hope everyone at the club, including all the board members take collective responsibility for the appointment and support the manager through the difficult times ahead.

I also hope the fans unite behind the club, the new manager and the players and for the moment leave to one side their discontent with the board or individuals on it.

Mark Ryan
96 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:30:14
Ray @ 73 you might just be right. Is Everton the club that Dyche has been waiting a career to come along. Might surprise many. Let's put our imminent faith in him and get behind him
Bill Fairfield
97 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:31:54
Good luck to Big Dunc,at Forest Green Rovers.
James Lauwervine
98 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:31:59
Things just go from bad to worse. What a laughing stock we are. The worst run football club in the world. These are two terrible choices. It's a fucking disgrace what has happened to our once great club.
Raymond Fox
99 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:32:56
I don't want Bielsa, I think Dyche is tailor made to energize us.
He knows whats required to get the best out of ordinary players.
He's very experienced in the Prem. plus he knows how to get out of the Championship, if he cant pull us out of our form nosedive.
Sam Mellor
100 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:35:43
God,this is depressing.

We've got such an unimaginative board, if Brighton or Brentford lost their manager again, they'd have a list of young, intelligent candidates. We have Dyche.

I appreciate the short-term need to stay up but long or even medium-term, this shows no forward thinking (as usual). We'll be sticking to an outdated mode of football with a manager that never plays young players. I think the only one that he did at Burnley is McNeil, although I'm happy to be corrected as I didn't exactly follow them closely.

I don't think Bielsa would work well with our mad board but at least he wouldn't take any shit and he plays young players.

Raymond Fox
101 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:36:08
James 98, do you mean what we were 40 years ago.
Dennis Stevens
102 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:37:27
Fran has it right. Lampard sacked after Bournemouth means Bielsa would have had some time & would probably be a good appointment then. Where we are now Bielsa doesn't seem a good fit & if the Board make promises to get him & then don't fulfill them he will just walk anyway. Dyche seems the only choice, unless there are others still in the running that we don't know about.
Christy Ring
103 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:37:34
If it's down to the two, I'd be more confident with Dyche. Looking at the amount of goals Leeds were conceding and the physical exertion on the players, they couldn't sustain his game plan, that's why he was sacked.
I see Duncan the new manager of Forest Green Rovers, Tony Grant his no.2, wishing him every success in management.
Dave Lynch
104 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:42:08
Given the track record of the board how long do people think Bielsa would last?

If as stated he reviews how the board functions and whether he is being supported, id give him a month...tops.

Dennis Stevens
105 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:50:21
Indeed, Dave. Bielsa is not the kind of "yes" man that some Board members would probably prefer.
John Pickles
106 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:52:17
I would feel more comfortable if the tea-lady picked the next manager.
Barry Rathbone
107 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:55:13
I think those suggesting we presently need to look long term inferring a philosophy of effective, fast, stylish play are naive in the extreme. Whoever gets the job HAS to stop us getting regularly tonked or the fans will be right on their back and mad Mosh will pull the trigger.

That means defensive football and as everyone knows from Moyes and Allardyce that gives you survival but nothing else not a great plan going forward.

It's time for realism not fanciful thinking.

Barry Hesketh
108 Posted 26/01/2023 at 13:59:01
Marcelo Bielsa has travelled to London for more talks over the Everton job. Still needs a lot of convincing over the squad but club hope to get final clarity soon over whether or not he will accept offer.[Matt Law Tweet] a few minutes ago.

This is going to get awkward, I fear, Dyche might become impatient and pull out of the running, and Bielsa might say not now, I'll come in the summer, meanwhile, poor old Leighton Baines and Tait are left holding the baby.

Fran Mitchell
109 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:03:18
actually think Dyche is the best option for short and medium term.

we need to re-establish ourselves as a low toid table premier league team over the next 3-4 years.

Only then will we be in a stable league and financial position to then attempt more lofty aspirations.

Brian Williams
110 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:05:10
I remember watching Dyche being interviewed some seasons ago and he made a statement which has stuck with me since.
He said, in reply to the question of what he expected from his players "It's simple really, the minimum requirement is maximum effort."
Simple yet profound!
Jim Wilson
111 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:06:20
Dyche all day

The last thing the players need now is yet another complicated system to try and get used to.

It's back to basics with Dyche
Back 4
Strong midfield
Plenty of motivation

That is what the team needs.

Kevin Molloy
112 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:14:02
all logic would seem to point to Dyche.
then ask yourself, 'who is making the decision' and 'who is he going to want to give it to'
If Bielsa agrees, I think it's his.
Brian Harrison
113 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:16:27
I know sacked managers all sign confidentiality agreements when the leave, but does anybody else think its rather strange that we haven't heard a peep from Lampard.
Chris Hockenhull
114 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:17:44
Brian (113). Think you’ve just answered your own question
Paul Davies
115 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:19:31
This must be the last roll of the Dyche for this once great club.
Martin Mason
116 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:21:06
And so the end draws nearer. Our selection process homes in on the two possibly worst equipped candidates to solve our problems. At least we're consistently and totally incompetent right to the last.
Joe Corgan
117 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:22:49
On further reflection, I'm leaning heavily towards Dyche. Bielsa's methods will require time and recruitment, neither of which we're able to give him in any great quantity. He would want to make the players fitter and add a bit of pace.

But our situation is dire. I have my doubts he will be able to change anything quickly enough to keep us in the Premier League. And he's volatile. Adding volatility to our current plight won't help.

Dyche on the other hand… boring, uninspiring, unattractive football? Or is it pragmatic, effectively and industrial? We can only hope for the later.

Despite our board's ineptitude I cannot believe that they wouldn't have similar concerns. So if we do appoint Bielsa, I think it's an admittance on their part that they expect us to be relegated and that Bielsa is the better choice to push for promotion next season.

Kieran Kinsella
118 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:24:33

Mike Walker is still technically alive surely he'd be worse?

Barry Jones
119 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:24:42
Ernie Baywood, I concur with you.

The point you made is the same as one I made in another thread. The priority is making this team into one that can create chances and score goals.

I may be wrong, but I'm not sure Dyche can do that in the games that we have left. In fact, I'm not sure anyone can.

Derek Wadeson
120 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:27:41
Looks like a choice of Win 1-0 or lose 2-3.

I'll take the 1-0

Colin Malone
121 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:31:19
Denise Barrett-Baxendale. Doing interviews. No disrespect to the lady. But for fuck's sake, come on. Unbelievable.
Colin Glassar
122 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:32:31
Simple question. If Dyche is so good, why isn’t there a queue of teams after him?
Derek Knox
123 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:33:24
What colour is the smoke coming out of the Finch Farm chimney?

Is it Cardinal Dyche, Cardinal Bielsa or Cardinal Sin?

Kieran Kinsella
124 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:34:19

I don't think our criteria is how good someone is, it's more a case of someone not being as bad as someone else.

Barry Jones
125 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:34:36
What we might need to consider is which manager can get us straight back up, out of the championship. Seeing that some players want to leave Everton is annoying, as they put us in this position. None of them are blameless for the predicament that we are in. Its like the Titanic now.
Stephen Vincent
126 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:35:06
No matter which of these we choose, we will be looking for the next lunatic to look after the asylum in 6 months time. Bielsa won't be able to put up with interference from the board and Dyche will have bored us to death and taken us down.
James Lauwervine
127 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:37:44
Raymond #101, yes that's true (well, I'd say 35), but it's the last seven years that have truly fucked us and made the club an object of ridicule.
Dale Self
128 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:38:08
Good one, Paul. Dyche will produce a more stable transition to the next.

Bielsa would be a gamble as to whether we could be effective in the transfer market for his style. Results at Leeds showed he is rigid in style of play regardless of results.

Kieran Kinsella
129 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:38:49
Fabrizio Romana claims Everton have held talks with Solksjaer and that he wants to bring McTominay and Maguire with him.

Surely this is a bad taste early April Fool?

Dave Lynch
130 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:39:33
Bielsa will want assurance and commitment from the board.
He is not about "the money" he comes from an affluent family so money is not a consideration for him.

I think I read somewhere that his brother was the Argentine Foreign Minister once.

Kieran Kinsella
131 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:41:14
Anthony Murphy
132 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:41:27
Bill Fairfield
133 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:43:03
Inspired by neither. But it’s where we are as a club. No compo options.
Sad really.
Ed Prytherch
134 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:45:34
Dyche the clear favourite here so it will probably be Bielsa.
Julian Exshaw
135 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:50:48
Colin @123. Good point.
Nick Page
136 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:51:53
If Kenwright hadn't let Moshiri through the door so he could spend his money, we would only have sunk quicker. Getting Moshiri's millions only prolonged the life support.

The incurable Kenwright cancer has finished us off. Just look at how amateurish the last month, two months has been and all the revelations that many – and some still don't – didn't believe.

He is everywhere and in everything. If we are extremely lucky we'll get out this current mess but the club under Kenwright is near death.

Soren Moyer
137 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:52:01
Wow! Just Wow! We must be the only club in the whole football league without a plan or direction! So much time wasted since the start of last November, and now this!

The frightening thing is, they seem to be sure that they're doing a great job!!!!

Howard Don
138 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:54:07
Bielsa mid-season? No chance, never get the players fit enough for his style. Dyche is the only sensible option to have a chance of avoiding relegation.
Anthony Murphy
139 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:55:56
Bielsa has to really want this job. He can't start sulking if the board let him down or the players are shite because they will and they are.

If he gets the job, he needs to appreciate that we are a traditional giant of the game and his place in history awaits – what we don't need is another Benitez – trying to change everything overnight. H

e needs to embrace the club – it's in a mess and needs a bit of TLC – I hope he can see that's part of what he's getting involved in.

Dave Lynch
140 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:57:01
Neither excite me tbf... but what do I know, I was convinced Howe was going to bomb out at Newcastle.

I still reckon we should have gone balls out for Tuchel.

Bill Gall
141 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:57:35
Nick #5, Kevin #6

Thelwell will be doing the interview on the football side of things, DBB, as CEO will be there to see what his demands are, and under instructions what the club is willing to pay.

S.Dyche Burnley record. Premiership, Games 258, Wins, 72 Draws 68, Losses 118.
G/F 249, G/A 364.

Hired by Burnley in 2012.
Promoted from the Championship in 2013-14 season
Relegated from Premiership in 2014-15 season.
Promoted back to the Premiership in the 2015-16 season. Finished 16th 2016-17 season.
7th in the 2017-18 season,
He kept them up in the following seasons finishing 15th 10th and 17th and when he left Burnley in the 2021-22 season they were in 18th place.

To me he seems to be a manager who just survives around the bottom, whether it was lack of funding, and let's face it there will not be much at Everton with the ruling in effect. So I suppose the point is can he keep Everton up with the players we have, playing to his tactics, and that means the same what Thelwell wants down from the first team to youth.

Duncan McDine
142 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:57:59
I haven't really tracked every thread lately, but I'm surprised Steven Schumacher's name hasn't come up (maybe I missed it).

He's taken Plymouth to the top of L1 and spent many years in our youth setup (not that an Everton connection is required). He hasn't been a manager for long, so maybe that's why he's not being considered.

Whoever does get the job, they'll need some luck…

Pat Kelly
143 Posted 26/01/2023 at 14:58:31
We haven't got a bucket to piss in.
Mark Ryan
144 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:00:19
Give him a chance to prove himself. Burnley, no disrespect to them but without Dyche they would have disappeared years ago. He is their saviour.

As for those saying "He's crap" they are perhaps the same people who said Eddie Howe was crap when he was at Bournemouth and just look and listen to him now. He is right up there. Anyway, enough from me. Get Dyche asap.

Jay Harris
145 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:00:46
Big Dunc seems to be confirming the decision is made.

He turned down Forest Green yesterday but has it accepted it today saying Everton are going in a different direction.

I had hoped Thelwell would convince them to go for Nuno or Corboran but it appears he who does not hire or fire managers nt there anyone with a pair of balls to stand up to Kenwright and Moshiri.

Alan J Thompson
146 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:01:15
If all is to be believed, then it is one who doesn't want to or one who shouldn't. What a Board, more like adrift!
Christy Ring
147 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:01:43
I reckon if Denise is doing the interviews, she’ll give the manager’s job to Biesla’s interpreter.
Stephen Davies
148 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:02:55
So the question is: What input does the DOF have in this process?

His role is fundamental to the way the club wants to play football and recruit the players to implement that plan and the Manager to coach the players to carry it out.

In short, he should have a major say in the decision.

However, having said that, in our particular case survival in the Premier League is paramount and if we do survive we may well be back to square one.

Iain Johnston
149 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:03:12
Our last successful manager in terms of silverware was Joe Royle who had just been relegated with Oldham.

Dave Lynch
150 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:03:52
Give it to Ronnie O'sullivan.
A couple of more defeats and we're gonna need snookers.
Rob Halligan
151 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:18:28
Colin # 65…………….New Manager Out! And the one after him can fuck off an all….The C**T!
Raymond Fox
152 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:19:58
James 128, I wasn't trying to be smart, yeah 35yrs more like it.

We are still a big club spectator wise and certs to get bigger if we can get a good side, we would fill the new stadium each game comfortable.
The hard part in the present Prem. is first getting a really competitive team together and then retaining the players.

Stu Darlington
153 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:29:14
An interesting debate and I can see merit on both sides of the argument.
Our immediate short term problem however is Premier League survival and I feel Dyche is probably the most likely candidate to achieve this.
Given the current state of the club and total lack of confidence within the squad this will be a difficult task to achieve,but is still a possibility given the small points spread across the teams around us.
The more serious problem however is that the relationship between the fans and this owner and Board has been permanently destroyed.It can never be rebuilt.Never good at the best of times the trust of the fans is gone forever.
As it doesn’t look like the owners position is going to change in the near future vis a vis the Board,his whole sorry mess will continue to rumble on and on.
Until this problem is resolved I don’t see anything down for us in terms of progress on the pitch or in the league whatever the outcome this season
Matt Hayhurst
154 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:34:49
Some very interesting and also some very funny comments on here. I think there should be a new feature to 'like' comments.
Kieran Kinsella
155 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:40:05
Tony Abrahams knows Dyche which is why I think he should get it. That way if he runs into any problems Tony can introduce him to the Live Forum from where he can get concise expert advice on team selections, tactics and the timing of substitutes.
Pat Kelly
156 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:40:15
Out of those two I'd pick Tuchel
Daniel A Johnson
157 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:45:56
Bielsa or Dyche given the state of our squad it has to be Dyche
Ed Prytherch
158 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:47:29
Christy 147 - Don't hold your breath.
Marc Hints
159 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:49:30
David Ancellotti doing the rounds on Twitter now as well.
Dale Self
160 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:52:48
We will need a bus icon for the live forum.
Steve Brown
161 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:59:36
Nice of Bielsa to come all this way to turn us down in person.
John Gall
162 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:00:45
I feel weirdly OK about Dyche coming in, which is just a reflection of how much Everton have broken my dreams and spirit. Bielsa is just too mad, too erratic. I can just see his little downtrodden translator on MOTD trying to keep up as Bielsa rants about Everton needing to be "!mucho mas rapido!". He'd hang around for 3 months, take us down, and walk off with a few million in the bank. Dyche would also probably take us down, but then he might well be able to take us back up again. We'll become one of those clubs, like West Brom or Fulham, bouncing around divisions. Quite where the bullshit ego project of Bramley Moore Dock fits into this much more likely meat and potatoes future Lord only knows. A revamped Goodison with an extra 5000 capacity would prove a much more inspirational and appropriate backdrop to inspire future Everton teams than the money-drain vanity of Bramley Moore which leaves behind a devastated, impoverished Walton, L4. But I've gone off topic a bit here, sorry.
Bill Gall
163 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:01:28
Why would Bielsa fly in for an interview as according to rumors he had already turned down what he was offered, I may be in the minority but i would rather go down fighting than hoping a better defense will save us , we need to stop the goals but more important we need to score goals, defense wins games but you have to have scored more than the opposition to win.
Nick White
164 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:02:43
I’m thinking cynically that Bielsa is a smokescreen so that the board can say they tried to get him before giving the job to Dyche.

Also, as commented on above, what is the point of our DoF when we are after 2 managers with massively different approaches? Does he have a plan or just along for the ride?

Derek Knox
165 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:04:07
Steve @ 161, " Nice of Bielsa to come all this way to turn us down in person."

He managed to get a Bucket Shop Flight ! :-)

Jay Harris
166 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:05:06
Neither are suitable for our current situation imo. Bielsa is too kamikaze and Dyche only knows alehouse football.

Burnley played much better after Dyche left and Kompany now has them flying without McNeil,Tarks and Mee.

I thought we should have tried hard for Tuchel and Pochetino and maybe we did but for me Corcoran or Nuno would be better suited for Where we are now.

According to big Dunc the decision has been made and it seems that he who doesnt sack managers or appoint them and does not get involved with bringing players in and doesnt talk to Jim White is going to have his way again.

Steve Brown
167 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:05:08
Davide Ancelotti, now that would be interesting.
Jay Harris
168 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:06:22
Paper talk Steve. No chance.
Barry Hesketh
169 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:09:11
Everton could actually end up with both managers, Dyche for this season, with a remit of keeping us in the division, then whatever happens, Bielsa takes over in the summer? Then if Beilisa has one of his tantrums, Dyche can return! Everton that!

Mark Ryan
170 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:09:53
Deary me. Flies in. Chat chat. Give me until Monday to think about it. Tuesday " No"
Wednesday.. Sean do you want it " yeah, and I would have said yeah last week "
How many transfers have we done ? none, the window slammed shut yesterday
Everton FC all over it
Robert Tressell
171 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:10:20
Bill Gall, more fundamentally why would Bielsa fly at all. I'm pretty sure he still lives in Wetherby.
Colin Glassar
172 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:18:58
Koeman part II? They love me, they love me not….
Stu Darlington
173 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:19:52
Bielsa flying in because he has an appointment with the Foreign Office.
Keep Everton up and Argentina get the Falklands back is the deal!
Mike Connolly
174 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:21:50
The only good thing that has come out of this is the media know how bad the board are. Before all this, it was the fans fault. Ian wright first to apologise. Still think kenwright will come out of it smelling of rosses
Dave Lynch
175 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:22:07
That sounds like the type of promise Billy Bullshit would give him.
Colin Glassar
176 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:23:42
Stu, BK’s going to give him a private performance of ‘Evita’. Bill will be playing all the roles from Evita to Juan Peron and Che Guevara. He’s currently looking for a corset, blonde wig, a brassiere and some lippy.
Ray Jacques
177 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:25:55
DBB said on BBC it will be Marcelo Dyche for new manager.
Dennis Stevens
178 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:26:06
Stu, Argentina can't get the Falklands back - they've never been Argentinian.
Dave Lynch
179 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:29:29
Dennis...Bill won't let that get in the way, he'll probably offer to organise another invasion personally
Stu Darlington
180 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:30:35
Sorry Dennis, I meant the Malvinas!!
Pat Kelly
181 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:30:52
Honestly, I can't choose between the two. So I've resorted to anagrams. Take your pick between "cash needy" or "miserable alco". It's probably just as professional as the Board's methodology.
Raymond Fox
182 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:31:25
Jay, where we are now maybe we need 'ale house' football.
Kompany is coaching in the Championship, its a little bit different to the Prem.

If whoever is picking the next manager picks Bielsa of the two, I will throw in the towel.

Colin Glassar
183 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:32:16
Ray, DBB still hopes David Walliams will apply for the job. She’s heard he can spot talent.
Peter Carpenter
184 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:34:27
I think the Malvinas are Argentinian though.
Barry Hesketh
185 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:37:48
In 1965, at the 20th session of the United Nations General Assembly, the Fourth Committee determined that, in all languages other than Spanish, all UN documentation would designate the territory as Falkland Islands (Malvinas).

In Spanish the territory was designated as Islas Malvinas (Falkland Islands). The nomenclature used by the United Nations for statistical processing purposes is Falkland Islands (Malvinas).

Dennis Stevens
186 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:39:44
Aye, Stu - they can keep the name they've made up, but they can't have the actual islands!
Bill Gall
187 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:40:11
Robert # 171,

Bielsa lives with his wife in Rosario, Argentina. He also has a personal fortune of $25 million so I don't think it is the money that is the attraction.

Take time to read what other coaches including Pep say about his coaching methods and tactics.

Colin Glassar
188 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:47:06
Not if they’re called the Falkland Islands, Peter.
James Marshall
189 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:50:56
So Bielsa and Dyche are the 2 under consideration – thus proving the club still hasn't got a fucking clue what to do, when they play poles apart styles of football.

Moshiri is off his rocker.

Stu Darlington
190 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:57:15
Maybe we should start another petition!

“Kenwright for Falklands Governor“

Provided it's a live-in position!

Rob Halligan
191 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:02:13
Kieran# 118…

“Mike Walker is still technically alive surely he'd be worse”?

Does that mean he's on a life support machine or something?

Stu Darlington
192 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:07:43
Just seen Solskjaers name thrown into the hat.
Typical media crap.
Ian Edwards
193 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:10:35
Just read that we are interested in the Italian Dinosaur's son, Davide. He basically managed us when Dinosaur Senior had his trotters up in Crosby. He's not what we need in a relegation battle.
Tony Everan
194 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:12:01
Moshiri on the phone to Uncle Ali;

Moshiri: "Hi, Uncle Ali, We're going to go for Sean Dyche after a democratic boardroom vote."

Uncle Ali: "Farhad, Shut up! Appoint Bielsa."

Danny O’Neill
195 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:13:27
It really upsets me.

We have a manager who got sacked because he was taking Burnley down.

The alternative is someone who sat on a stool but was taking Leeds down, but a lot of people think he's exciting.

There is no plan or strategy, we are just scraping the barrel for what is available.

Just get me 3 points, Everton. And 3 after that. I am really past caring who the manager is or could be.

Will Mabon
196 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:13:57
Working purely with media quotes as ever, but didn't Bielsa say Everton have unsuitable players – which kind of sounds a bit like a rejection of the job, a lack of interest.

So now we pursue him. Haven't we sung this song before?

Ray Roche
197 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:15:56
Ian Edwards

So, who do you want?

Colin Glassar
198 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:15:57
Davide Ancelotti now in the mix. Are Bill and Ben just picking names out of a hat?

Nothing against Davide, btw. He's considered to be a top, top coach in the Arteta mode.

Danny Baily
199 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:17:15
Bielsa has been photographed at Heathrow so I'd say he's the firm favourite.
Ian Edwards
200 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:20:27
Ray 193 Pep or Thomas Frank
Colin Glassar
201 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:24:01
Awful choices, Ian.
Jay Harris
202 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:24:54
I would sooner have Davide Ancelotti than either of the supposed first choices.

At least he knows the club and most of the players and is well-respected as a top coach but I honestly can't see any way Moshiri would make that happen.

Rob Halligan
203 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:27:00
That picture of Bielsa arriving at Heathrow, has he arrived with hand luggage only, therefore has no intention of staying in this country very long, or is the fella behind him pushing all his luggage, and therefore looks like he's here for the long haul?

Marcelo Bielsa lands at Heathrow to step up talks with Everton over replacing Frank Lampard, despite concerns over squad, with Carlo Ancelotti's son Davide an alternative option

Robert Tressell
204 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:27:04
He's obviously moved back, Bill. He was still being spotted until quite recently shuffling about in a tracksuit around the Yorkshire Market town.

Kevin Molloy
205 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:29:46
If it is Bielsa, he's going to get a good 3 weeks to work with them, on the basis that the games against Arsenal and Liverpool are pretty much free hits. First crucial game is about a month away.
Will Mabon
206 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:30:59
Looks like he's lost a ton of weight in that photo.
Joe McMahon
207 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:31:22
Maybe we needed Bielsa instead of Koeman, a few year ago. From this huge list, I suppose it's Dyche to end of season, then see what happens.

"One very famous football club said to me two or three days ago 'whenever we have a problem we say 'what would the Brentford or Brighton board do because they always get it right?'"

Ian – why do you refer to Carlo as the Italian Dinosaur, he's just won the Champions League (again).

Kieran Kinsella
208 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:32:50
Robert @204,

Being out of work, wouldn't he have to leave based on work permit/immigration laws etc?

Danny Baily
209 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:33:26
Kevin, if there are to be any crucial games left this season, we'll need something from matches where we're not expected to avoid defeat.
Mal van Schaick
210 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:40:22
Not the answer for me. Another tinker man.
John Gall
211 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:50:33
Doesn't ToffeeWeb do polls anymore? I'd be curious to see how fans feel about this one. I'm guessing 20% Dyche, 10% Bielsa, 70% none of the above.
Allan Board
212 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:54:25
Yeh, some dinosaur: European Cup winner 6 times. Give him the bloody players who are equipped and he wants – as sure as night follows day your team will win stuff.


Peter Neilson
213 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:00:07
Whoever it is, Allardyce will claim the credit when we beat Arsenal.
Allan Board
214 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:02:04
As for Bielsa, he is clearly a bit barmy, but it would be amusing watching this lot try to play how he wants it!

Also, he might just drop the nut on Kenwright if Bill pisses him off – with any luck!

Leeds are no better off without him either, in fact, they are probably worse.

Yeh, do it!

Kim Vivian
215 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:02:53
Ian – yeah, right!

Who do you want who might realistically be available? [Serious question.]

Colin Glassar
217 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:17:08
This is starting to bore me now. The sadness, then anger has passed. Now I’m just fed up with the entire charade.
Trevor Peers
218 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:17:10
So much for having a manager in place by Thursday, another day wasted pissing about trying to sign a Hollywood manager. So typical of Moshiri.

Meanwhile, every transfer option is being exhausted at this rate we'll end up with no-one, but of course the Gordon money will arrive safely in someone's bank account.

Sean Roe
219 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:19:28
Somebody go and spray ''Bielsa out, Dyche in'' on the stadium before it's too late!
Kim Vivian
220 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:25:40
Should there be a 'new manager' Live Forum seeing as it's about 10 days before everyone can have another digital punch up again?
Derek Taylor
221 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:30:20
Whoever gets the job, Uncle Bill will be there to guide them. With experience of 'nursing' about a dozen managers, he is well qualified to fit them into 'the Everton Way' of doing things and prepare for the next incumbent before the end of the year!

We are blessed.

Mike Connolly
222 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:32:12
Barry @185,

Thought you were Al Murray for a minute.

Craig Walker
223 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:33:33
Rob: Bielsa doesn’t cost £1m a month to carry his own luggage. Probably got someone to push the cases and another official bucket-carrier.

Raymond Fox
224 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:35:09
Whoever the bloody manager is, we probably need 6 wins and 4 draws minimum from 18 games. Even that may not be enough.

They way things happen, Arsenal are due a fall. Who's to say rubbish Everton can't stick one up 'em? Unlikely, I know… but strange things do occur. Then there's them lot next game, least said the better.

Stuart Gray
225 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:39:11
Bielsa would be a great appointment. He'd only come if he's promised movement this transfer window or he'll walk, just like he did at Lazio.

And he's not going to take any shite – exactly what this board needs.

We actually don't have a terrible squad, so a good manager with a better record than Dyche might be the progress we need.

Ian Riley
226 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:39:11
Realism with who our next manager will be?

Our vacancy for manager has been available since Monday. Bigger name managers (Champions League experience) have had since then to state their interest. They haven't and I can't think why?

The next manager won't be staying long anyway if we follow our normal trend.

Ian Bennett
227 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:42:41
Just seems like a really skinny list. We've the entire world to choose from in world football, for a club in the top 20 revenue and wages in the world.

Can't help but think Van Gaal, Rangnick would be a better 6-month stop gap till the summer. Dyche is not a choice for the next 3 years, and I can't see Bielsa wanting a 3-year job at 68.

Ian Edwards
228 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:47:00
Kim 215. We are in a relegation battle and need a firefighter. That is NOT Bielsa. Leeds fired him for that reason. Bielsa would take us down.

Given the strife we are in, we should go for the best firefighter there is. That is Allardyce. He left us 8th with a crap team. Long term, we should see who is available when safe.

Anyone that thinks Bielsa is more likely to save us from relegation than Allardyce is lying to themselves.

Paul Tran
229 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:47:50
If Bielsa gets it, the outcome will be one of two extremes:

Either he'll take the gullible Moshiri to the cleaners while breaking the players in two with his smash-bang-wallop football, which so far hasn't worked in the Premier League.

Or the players, including the youngsters, will get it, love it, thrive on it and we'll be fun to watch.

My money would be firmly on the first extreme. This appointment would have star-struck, rich, gullible fool Moshiri written all over it.

Paul Birmingham
230 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:49:01
Which pub will be renamed if it's Dyche and he keeps Everton safe this season?

Seriously dark days and whoever gets the job, Evertonians unite and maximise on supporting the team to stay up.

This is Hell and Back, Part 2, after last season and there's 17 games to play, and staying up is possible, with some late signings, who can score goals, and stay safe.

Houdini job, and to get some players in, will be some achievement.

Until the new manager arrives, then, there's little chance of getting any incoming new players.


Paddy Kelly
231 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:50:52
The rumours about Davide Ancelloti are intriguing. Let's not forget being top of the league with Don Carlo.

His son has seen it all and knows the club. Could play modern expansive football with a mind to the basics, which we have somehow forgotten.

Ian Edwards
232 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:52:25
"Don Carlo".

It sounds like a really shit restaurant you would hammer on Trip Adviser.

Ray Smith
233 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:08:20
I'd take Davide without hesitation. However, realistically is it possible? I'd pull out all the stops to bring him on board.

Quite excited, but nothing positive ever seems to happen with Everton. We can all dream!!!

Anthony Murphy
234 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:09:34
Big worry is that Bielsa's priority will not be to keep us up but to instil his philosophy.

Dyche won't give a shit what we do so long as we are harder to beat and picking up points along the way.

I have no doubt that board members and Thelwell have raised their concerns but Moshiri hasn't listened...

Michael Stevenson
235 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:11:31
I hope Bielsa isn't on the same flight as that Riquelme fella. It'll take him a while to get here if he is.
Rob Dolby
236 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:15:06
I wouldn't be surprised if we appointed Bielsa and he resigned a couple of weeks later due to the shit show that we are.

Bielsa 10 years ago would have been great. Bielsa now is a pension top-up.

I would go with Dyche as I think we have a squad that could play to his strengths. We have no-nonsense defenders, midfielders that can run, and a couple of tall aggressive strikers.

Bielsa would want players with technical ability and speed all over the park. Both things we struggle with.

Andrew Bentley
237 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:17:53
Ian 228,

This is the same Allardyce who in his last job took West Brom down. He is not the miracle worker that you claim him to be and getting him in on a big contract (which he always gets as clubs are desperate) just gets us into more shit for next season and beyond when he walks away or we fire him. He was a one-trick pony who now is a busted flush.

Bielsa may take us down but he'd stick around to take us back up again and presents a much more positive future than Allardyceball ever would.

This is the same prick who claimed Tosun was the best pound-for-pound player in Europe at £25+ million.

You may want to re-read this article from a website not very far away:

We were 13th when he took us over. We are now 19th and in more deep shit than last time. Allardyce doesn't keep us up, saddles us with more over priced old players with no resale value on huge contracts. But you are right, give it to good old Sam the firefighter.

Mike Doyle
238 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:19:06
Irrespective of who we appoint, I'm looking forward to hearing from our largely invisible DoF the active role he played in it or, if he didn't, that he's resigning as his position is untenable.

Obviously I won't be holding my breath on either outcome.
Incidentally, Has anyone seen a copy of the Strategic Plan?

Tony Abrahams
239 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:26:07
Being genuine, I honestly don't think Allardyce could save this squad from relegation. It's not goals conceded that is killing Everton, it's the fact that we are not scoring enough goals or creating enough chances, and this never been one of Big Sam's strongest points imo.

I don't believe we are going to suddenly start scoring unless we bring in a couple of attacking players, so the next few days are going to be massive for Everton. Unless we bring these players in, I believe we are finished this season, no matter who we eventually get to manage us.

People go on about managers and players who have been relegated and sometimes it won't be because of a lack of ability but it might be because they have been a victim of circumstance.

We don't just need a manager, we also need some attack-minded players.

Andrew Bentley
240 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:27:14
This slow team point as well that others keep making, don't mistake slow play for slow players. It's the way we have been set up and coached that makes us look ponderous.

Were his Leeds team genuinely quicker than any of our players or was it the way he made them play and drove them to be.

We have quick players; Calvert-Lewin, Gray, Iwobi, Godfrey, Onana, Patterson – I'd include Gordon too but he's gone based on what's going on with him. And we say that they aren't technical but these are players who are Premier League standard, a number of them play for their International teams – therefore are a cut above the average footballer. We just need someone to unlock this and add 2 more signings into the team with pace and we could be transformed!

We could also get relegated (more likely) but god he'd make them give it a go and we'd go out with a bang!

Andrew McLawrence
241 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:30:04
Could Davide bring Madrid's reserve team with him?
Ray Smith
242 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:30:40
Has anybody else heard rumour(s) about Davide Ancelotti?
Tony Abrahams
243 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:32:20
I think he said slow defenders, Andrew (downstairs is also for dancing sometimes!).

I started analyzing our squad, and think that a lot of them will actually be decent when forced to run? Maybe I'm just trying to be optimistic.

Danny Baily
244 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:36:52
One of Holgate or Godfrey needs to be in our centre-back pairing. They are the only two with pace.
Colin Glassar
245 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:37:48
Get Davide on the blower now!!! And tell him to bring a few Madrid players with him. I’m sure Don Carlo the Great wouldn’t mind.
Ernie Baywood
246 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:44:58
Remember the 120-point plan (I think it was?). The 96 appointments made under Thelwell?

The full restructure of the footballing department and a need to improve how we identify talent and align recruitment to the needs of the football club?

That large, improved department scoured the world for weeks and returned the two names that everyone already knew. Two names that couldn't be less alike.

If all that organisation can do is come up with those names I question what they do. And whether we can expect any improvement in player recruitment. It's lazy in the extreme.

Conor McCourt
247 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:46:09
I don't know if the ridiculous British press and so called pundits are having a major impact on this thread but the idea that either Sam Allardyce or Sean Dyche are better candidates for our current predicament than Marcelo Bielsa amazes me.

Firstly recent relegation record:

Sam Allardyce was a firefighter; however, the standard of manager and football has moved on and despite having ample time at West Brom and was backed he was shocking and they got relegated with a whimper.

Sean Dyche did a wonderful job at Burnley, truly excellent on his budget. However, in his last season they were cut adrift from safety and were certainties to go down. His successor transformed them but it wasn't enough.

Marcelo Bielsa had Leeds in 16th when he was sacked. They were never going down and the idea that Marsch saved them is ludicrous as they scraped home. Bielsa was sacked because they played a lot of the big teams and got spanked heavily. He basically had a Championship squad but lost Harrison and Bamford to injury who were fundamental to his team.

His successor is operating at the level of Bielsa's ''failure' despite being heavily backed. This standard was nowhere near the level Bielsa had them when all were fit. He is not a relegation manager because he doesn't put his teams there.

Secondly what we need from a manager now.

The team under Lampard was well organised, competed in every game but lacked two main things;

A) The desire to win games (when in front our defence became a problem, when behind we had no answers). We are serial losers

B) The ability to create chances, open up defences as well as scoring the few opportunities we did get

Dyche and Allardyce won't solve those problems. You could argue they could both be better at Lampard at A but not really B. Bielsa fits both criteria perfectly.

He is clearly the man for the job and in nearly every job (except Espanyol and Lille) he has come out of the blocks flying. Even those 'failed club' results would be enough to keep us in the Premier League.

Lenny Kingman
248 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:53:05
Announce Dyche. It makes sense at this moment in time.

Steve Shave
249 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:11:17
If the rumours of a short list including Dyche, Bielsa and Davide are to be believed, then it really shows us for what we are. Rudderless, clueless and no plan.

Nothing against any of them personally, it's just that Dyche and Bielsa are poles apart in strategy and style. The other has never managed a club before, let alone a basket case, sinking ship giant like ours.

I am not opposed to a young progressive coach and would get behind whoever but really we should be thinking about a well-paid 6-month contract for Dyche with the offer of a longer term deal in the summer if he impresses.

This would give us an out; Dyche a springboard to another permanent job and we could actually appoint in the summer with an actual forward-thinking plan, the fella from West Brom for example. Sigh.

David McMullen
250 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:11:35
There's so much speculation and guesswork – isn't this the 'Everton way' these days?

Shame we didn't have a plan when it was looking bad with Lampard to replace him with X, Y and Z and then make that decision. We're a shocking organisation. I've no faith in anything they decide.

Colin Glassar
251 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:22:39
Davide Anceloti knows the players, knows the league, knows the idiots he'll be performing for (the board, not the fans).

It's left field I know, but I think he has a bit of Dyche and Bielsa, ie, he'll tighten up the defence and midfield and he'll be more attack-minded. Plus his dad can lend us some players.

Anthony Murphy
252 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:31:18
If there's any truth in the Davide rumours, it'll be with an eye on the summer, not now.
Colin Glassar
253 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:33:21
I agree Anthony. I think Dyche could save us this season but we need someone for the future.
Ernie Baywood
254 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:37:30
If it's true that Bielsa has flown in then I think it will be him.

He's not the sort of bloke who will fly in to compete against Dyche. You're either up for his approach or you're not.

Could be in for an interesting time. To be honest I'd settle for 'interesting' over 'tragic' right now.

Dennis Stevens
255 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:43:44
Aye, Steve #249. That all sounds far too sensible - did you forget which Club you support for a moment?
Mark Ryan
256 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:43:53
Can anyone enlighten me. A lot of talk about Davide Ancellotti being interested. Where did this rumour start. I can't find any provenance for it. Anyone know ?
Danny Baily
257 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:44:55
Colin 253, nobody is saving us this season. This appointment has to be a long term one, looking ahead to a promotion push.
Shane Corcoran
258 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:46:18
Colin #247, Burnley were cut adrift and certainties to down yeah?

Couldn’t recall it myself so I checked and they were 18th, four points from safety with eight games to go including Southampton,Villa and Wolves at home.

George Freeman
259 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:53:54
Mark @ 256, just type his name and Everton into Google and you will see all the sources then.
Tony Hill
260 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:59:47
Ancelotti Jnr is intriguing. Of course, none of us has a clue about whether he'd be any good but there is a touch of class about the way he behaves and I remember his farewell to us. I also remember that he did some useful defensive coaching.

I'm in favour of Dyche but Davide has a faint scent of old, proper Everton about him.

Mark Ryan
261 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:03:07
Cheers George
Bill Gall
262 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:04:02
Question to people who want Dyche, will he help Everton score more goals, ?

We have had a few bad goals scored against us the last number of weeks but a team that can hold Man city to 1 goal must have a decent defense if organized correctly. Goal scoring is our problem.

Jason Hewly
263 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:06:53
No to Dyche. His last job ended because his tactics were stale and he was on the fast train to relegation.

Davide Ancelotti could be interesting. He'll have one the greatest managers of all time on speed dial, with vested interest in seeing his son succeed. The loan signings could be unbelievable.

Bielsa guarantees intensity and speed. Two things this club has lacked for years. We should have got this guy when Moyes left. Better late than never.

Barry Hesketh
264 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:09:11
Tony @260
I think we're all torn, Dyche appears to be the most pragmatic and therefore the safest choice, Bielsa, the most exciting but most dangerous, but could Davide be the 'just right' choice? Of course, his name may have been thrown out there to put pressure on Bielsa to make his mind up.

It is beginning to feel like an episode of some second-rate soap-opera.
I think we'll all be relieved - if that's the right term - when the club has finally decided which manager to hire and what the squad looks like next Wednesday morning as then we can concentrate on the actual games.

Bobby Mallon
265 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:13:00
I personally don’t think we should get any manager. I think the back room staff should take us till the end of the season and see where we end up. I don’t believe Dyche will be able to keep us up nor Bielsa. But if I had to choose between either it would be Bielsa because he will use youth next season and it will be an amazing ride with him in charge
Derek Knox
266 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:14:15
Bill @ 262, " Question to people who want Dyche, will he help Everton score more goals, ? "

I think that question will apply to whoever takes over the role Bill, whether he is given a Transfer Budget, and more importantly enough time to get reinforcements through the door. Also depends on who is going to be sold which presumably will generate funds. The way our 'Board' is dithering again time is quickly running down.

Rob Dolby
267 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:15:59
Bill 262. Can you name me any manager in world football that would help us score more goals?

The players score goals and our entire squad is devoid of them. Coleman is probably 2nd top goal scorer behind DCL.

We need to try and bring in at least 1 striker before the window shuts, God knows who that would be if we don't have a manager.

Dale Self
268 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:16:55
Bill, Dyche was effective in getting the ball out of their half and not always by hoofball. The ball was regularly run to their strongest options and although ot was very direct the danger players got touches. Shots, well fuck man it’s the Premier League but Dyche will get touches in the final third with players facing the damn goal. It will produce a forced chemistry until the creative stuff can be developed Viva la 442!

Oh yeah i almost forgot, it wasnt goals scored that wax the killer it was giving up goals and losing all 3 points from a winning position. I think Dyche dont do that.

Bobby Mallon
269 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:16:56
If we do get a manager for this season I’d give Carlos son a go
Ray Smith
270 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:24:01
Another day gone!
Dither dither dither ?
Stu Darlington
271 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:26:43
What makes anyone think Dyche would take the job on a short term contract ?Knowing,
1) If he keeps Everton up, he will be sacked so we can get someone in who plays football the” Everton “ way.Although where the players are going to come from to do that is beyond me?
2) If we get relegated he will be sacked for failing to keep us up.
Not great career prospects,and in my view says a lot about this club as a caring employer.
Also,where did this Davide Ancelotti come from? What has he done apart from be an assistant to his Dad.would he have got that gig off his own back?
The madness is spreading faster than covid.
Will Mabon
272 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:29:51
Ray, yes - and I have even less of a clue who can save us.
Ray Smith
273 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:30:55
Still 271
Take your blinkers off!
Tunnel vision!
Odds of it occurring 100/1 against, but you never know!
Tony Abrahams
274 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:33:09
During the first half at Goodison, Dyche’s Burnley, looked like Brazil, against Ancellotti’s, Everton, the day Dwight McNeill, won the game when he scored an absolute worldy.

I’ve often heard the phrase, that Moyes’s Everton, punched above their weight, but looking at the circumstances, then I think the phrase is a lot more applicable to Dyche’s, Burnley.

I’m not sure who will get the job, but whoever it is, I just hope the days of living on easy street, disappears from the corridors of finch farm.

Kieran Kinsella
275 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:40:01

People on Twitter keep mentioning Dyche's win/loss record as a negative. But every year his team were favorites for relegation and almost every year they avoided relegation. definitely had them punching above their weight and that's in the EPL. Getting was a huge achievement in the first place.

Robert Tressell
276 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:41:05
Davide Ancelotti might well be a new Arteta - young, fresh and progressive.

However, Arteta himself has had a very mixed time of it at Arsenal and must have come very close to the sack a few times. He's undoubtedly very talented but what has saved him is patience and a lot of financial backing. They now see the rewards.

Our new manager will have no time and no money to make a difference.

If we have no money for reinforcements, do you think Davide Ancelotti is our best chance of staying up?

If we go down, firesale the squad and still have no money - do you think Davide Ancelotti is our best chance of promotion?

It's a very bold choice to install a complete novice given our situation.

Steve Clay
277 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:45:47
Yes to Shan Dyche. Girlies has already made his excuses
Soren Moyer
278 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:47:42
Right choice, wrong time! They are going to mess it up again!
Ray Smith
279 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:53:48
Robert 276
I agree, however, does Ancelotti with his short time at Everton, with his numerous experience and guidance under his father make him a worthy contender?
Although I have no way of influencing Moshiri, surely he would consider the son of the only manager that has walked away from him!
So probably a no no.
Steve Clay
280 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:02:06
Sorry! Bielsa
Ray Robinson
281 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:02:45
How would signing Arnautovic tie in with Bielsa’s appointment. I can’t see a 33 year old, who never seemed to run a lot even when younger, fit in with Bielsa’s philosophy.
Tony Abrahams
282 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:03:09
I also like the fact that when Burnley got relegated under Dyche, he brought them straight back up again. I used to go to Burnley’s training ground, to watch my stepson when he was playing academy football, and it was recognizable to me, that Dyche, definitely helped Burnley, build up some very good facilities and also very strong foundations, over the years. (I’m sure Vincent Kompany, would be the first person to acknowledge this?)

He’s come up the hard way, he’s had to scrap and be pragmatic, to help keep Burnley in the mega rich EPL, and although I’m not sure, it would surprise me if Burnley never had the lowest wage bill in the league, except maybe for one or two teams, over the 5/6 years period that Dyche, had them punching massively above their weight?

His points record on paper, isn’t impressive Kieran, but his record in keeping Burnley in the big league, was very, very impressive, and I don’t believe his team would have lasted even a year, if they hadn’t been so pragmatic whilst playing to their strengths.

Dyche’s biggest problem is when people recognize him, or put him in a bracket, he appears to be like Allardyce or Moyes. They might be right, but they might also be wrong.

Bielsa seems like a crazy choice, but if he lasted at Everton, then who knows what this fella could achieve? Will he get past the first eight weeks though?

Joe Corgan
283 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:05:50
Robert 276: I came here to say almost the same thing. David’s Ancelotti would be an exciting choice at any other time. Learned from the best. Young. Progressive. And absolutely no track record of managing a football club.

Had we been mid table. Safe but underachieving, I’d say go for it. But something in me tells me Dyche is a more sensible choice in the here and now. He probably won’t be able to save us either but at least he’s not walking into an entirely new situation.

Chris Cole
284 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:07:28
Points tally needed to stay up over the last five seasons:
– 36
– 29
– 35
– 35
– 34
We currently have 15 points from 20 games.
35 points has been enough to stay up in four of the last five seasons, and currently there are SEVEN teams who have accrued less than one point per game, so it's likely that 35 will be enough again this year...
Surely ANY decent, self-respecting manager would back themselves to accrue 20 points from the remaining 18 fixtures with the players we have in our squad.
We don't need a firefighter appointment - if we go down that route again we'll be in exactly the same position in 12 months time as we are now, and there won't have been any forethought put in then either... appoint someone for the long-haul.
A manager on a six-month contract wouldn't have any authority with the players either.

New managers usually get a bounce if they're any good - look at Emery at Villa, Lopetegui at Wolves... same players, just a different, more positive mindset instilled...

David Vaughan
285 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:16:44
Sorry to drag people back to the past, but can we just take a moment while praying/hoping/dissing the future before it's even begun to read Frank's post-dismissal statement out tonight.

“Thanks to everybody that played their part as the whole club came together. I will never forget the incredible night against Palace that we shared.

“I want to thank all Evertonians for the welcome that you gave to myself, my staff, and my family. It truly is a special club with a huge heart, and an incredible history.

“I'm disappointed that we couldn't achieve more together and wish all the players and everyone at Everton FC the very best for the future.”

He may not have been (or been allowed to be) good enough but for 'getting us' and for trying to help this dysfunctional apology for a football club...Thank You, Frank.

Derek Thomas
286 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:17:14
Robert @ 276; Dont forget this IS Moshiri and Everton were talking about here.

As he hasn't had a job for 10mths Dyche seems keen enough to do it it on a short term basis.

Bielsa; I was all for him pre-Ancelotti, but that was then.
I also get His reluctance, which might be age or, Everton? - sod that for a game of soldiers or even the stated reason of, 'I need something to actually work with and a full pre-season.'

There is a large school of though that thinks, some in hind sight I know, that Lampard should've gone after Bournemouth and that 6 week break could've been a mini pre season.
Then again maybe not, as we'd signed up for the Australia trip.

Anyway, Bielsa? He's supposed to be wedded to his principles and his basic requirements, like a pre-season, some fast players...Which we can't meet.

So why take the trouble to fly (1st class on our dime, well you would if somebodys daft enough to payment) from Brazil

Two thoughts pop in my cynical head. First; There maybe 12 million or more reasons and Second; he could also be our managerial Trevor Birch, come in, see the true picture and bail after 6 weeks or what ever.

Oh and another thought- I see Moshiri as Arl Jim from The Vicar of Dibley; Bielsa, Bielsa, Bielsa, Bielsa, Bielsa, Bielsa, Bielsa - Dyche.

Not even Moshiri would pick Davide Ancelotti - would he?

Mark Taylor
287 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:18:50
Steve Ferns wrote a very eloquent piece on why Bielsa would be a bad idea. I won't repeat it here but it made sense, especially as he is actually a Bielsa fan.

If he's asking for £12m, I suspect he can smell our fear. Would Mexico have offered him a quarter a tenth of that? Another reason to miss.

Dyche is far from ideal but beggars can't be choosers

Joe Corgan
288 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:23:08
Also just read Frank’s statement on Instagram.

Thanks Frank. We know it wasn’t all you. Your paymasters played their part in our failure too. Wish it had worked out different but, hey, we’ll always have Palace.

Raymond Fox
289 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:26:37
Some of you have still got your head in the clouds, Ancelotti's son, Bielsa are not what we want now.

Dyche knows what to do with a stuggling squad he's been dealing with one for years. There's no time to lose and its a big ask to get us to stay in the Prem. for anyone, but I think he's our best chance.

Antonio at West Ham is talking about leaving but I doubt they would let him join us.

Robert Tressell
290 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:29:31
Chris # 284, to stay up we really do need a firefighter. We have been in the relegation mix 4 out of the last 6 seasons, we are now in the worst run of form of any club in the football pyramid, have no money, cannot compete with Bournemouth for signings, have an inferior squad to Wolves and Villa (who also keep spending) and are materially worse than we were last season due to Richarlison's departure.

This is absolutely last chance saloon time.

Neil Lawson
291 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:46:38
Bizarre. It wasn't Moshiri's responsibility to decide Lampard's fate, or so he said. Yet he is driving the chase for Bielsa, a failed manager who doesn't rate us and who is asking for stupid money. Moshiri who appointed Benitez and other failures. His track record is diabolical. He seems determined to appoint his " trophy manager". A name. I fear we are doomed so long as he is in the driving seat or under supervision from his instructor W Kenwright. Abandon hope all ye who have visited this site. Who in their right mind appoints someone who really doesn't want the job but ultimately takes the mick and is persuaded by stupid and obscene amounts of money.
Tony Everan
292 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:55:13
No question it’s the last chance saloon, and we need a tab to get served in there. I can’t understand why they are still pursuing Bielsa he’s said himself the team’s too slow, and he’d be interested in the summer when he can work on the squad and the necessary fitness levels.

If he comes in now he’s not going to affect either. His teams need to work as a machine, not half of one. It would be a mistake, our squad couldn’t cope with it and we’d have some kind of dysfunctional bastard hybrid of Bielsa’s game.

Dyche is getting no one excited. But I am afraid excitement is off the menu. It’s back to basics, hard graft, simple formations, grinding out 1-0 wins from a set piece they’ve been working on. That’s how we will stay up and Dyche can deliver it.

Whoever they pick, make a decision!, get the man in so he can start work and sign or loan a few players. Dithering and delaying is making things harder for the incoming man, aren’t things difficult enough as it is ?

John Raftery
293 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:58:25
Bielsa might be described as a bold appointment; a bit like a Liz Truss/Kwasi Kwarteng budget, likely to implode within a month. Who is going to interview him? Moshiri? Board members? Director of Football? I fear the worst.
Stu Darlington
294 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:23:11
Last chance saloon guys?
With all this dithering and faffing about it’s more like no chance saloon.
Neil Tyrrell
295 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:42:07
Thanks David @285 for posting that. And thanks Frank for trying.
Eric Myles
296 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:42:31
John #293, I expect when he asks BK and DBB what their football credentials are he'll get up and walk out without even waiting for his cup of tea
Laurie Hartley
297 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:56:59
My feelings on what appear the three main candidates:-

David Ancelloti - this is not a job to be cutting your managerial teeth on.
Sean Dyche - if we have to.
Marcelo Bielsa - nervous excitement.

I haven’t felt that way about Everton for a long time.

Paul Kernot
298 Posted 26/01/2023 at 00:14:32
Wise words Chris Cole #284. Thinking rationally, optimistically and longer term which sadly seems to be way beyond our current knee jerking board & owner.
Justin Doone
299 Posted 27/01/2023 at 00:44:46
Gordon one of the few players with genuine pace out. Bielsa demanding players with pace in.

To be honest I will apologise. Only yesterday I typed I would rather watch a Bielsa team get relegated trying to play and win football matches rather than have Sam or Dyche as manager.

So my plan would be flog Pickford for a few pacey backs from St Helens, Wakefield or Widnes etc?

Now that would be entertaining and would certainly improve our tackling.

Clueless bar stools.

Colin Malone
300 Posted 27/01/2023 at 01:08:13
Ancelotti lad?? Two words. Fuck Off.
Anthony Dwyer
301 Posted 27/01/2023 at 01:20:16
Gutting to say but, when you look at the fixtures, we are as good as gone, especially with the squad at our disposal. If somehow we do pull off a miracle, we need a goal source that we haven't yet tapped into, whether that be Simms or a new signing.

I'd also expect that we would need 6 points from our last 2 games, as at least 2 of the 3 sides that will be involved will almost definitely be in the Championship next year – ourselves, Wolves and Bournemouth.

So, with all this said, we may just need to get a manager in who will change the squad for the better, reducing the age of the squad, getting more from them than we have had over the past decade or whatever, and producing a team we can be proud of, because we haven't had one to be proud of in a long time.

I wasn't a fan of bringing in Bielsa but, if we wEREs to admit defeat, he would probably be the best man to change our ways as, IMO, we own a squad of clowns who have no desire to be greats of the game, and just a desire to be rich men.

Justin Doone
302 Posted 27/01/2023 at 01:37:50
Also.. no big salary, only bonus for keeping us up. Is that so hard to entice a manager?

£2M plus £10M for 'saving us'. Not £6M and upwards only to pay them off in less than 12 months when we go through this all again. Let then prove themselves.

The over the top, upfront money on stupid, risky appointments needs to stop until a manager proves themselves by winning silverware / finish top 4.

The same for players, they can sit on a Spurs / Newcastle bench if they want, it's their right to go for the money. Players like that we don't need, certainly not in our current mess.

Anyway, Nuno for me would be a more sensible manager for both long or short term. To keep us up and to bring us up.

Massimo Carrera is my outsider. Currently unemployed, Italian organisation and as sensible as the board choice, I like his name, vroom, vroom!

Gavin Johnson
303 Posted 27/01/2023 at 02:11:33
Dyche's win record is about 30% which isn't great and he only won 4 games in his final season with Burnley.

He's got a lot of mitigation that he was managing Burnley with little money and while I prefer Bielsa, under the circumstances we find ourselves, I'd give Dyche the interim job til the end of the season and then give Bielsa the job, so he can get a full pre-season behind him.

I don't think either of them will keep us up, but I think Dyche has more chance. Personally, I'd go for Bielsa's pupil, Carlos Corberan over both of them

Kieran Kinsella
304 Posted 27/01/2023 at 02:22:14

The win rate has to be seen in context. No one thought Burnley would get in the EPL. They did then unsurprisingly like Blackpool then when down again but then bounced back and stayed up for years. Every year they were relegation favorites so relative to expectations 30 percent win rate is pretty amazing. Also Dyche was at Watford with Rodgers, Warburton etc. I’m sure if he had the right players he would play better football

Jerome Shields
305 Posted 27/01/2023 at 03:10:40
Hope he jets out again and the Board by some luck appoint Dyce.

Sadly,Everton have not the set up or players for Bielsa,.I do think it has to be Dyce to have any chance of surviving in the Premier League.In the end Everton will get the Manager they deserve, who hopefully will play simple boring football.

Dyce is good at motivation and disciple and may get enough results for survival.Bielsa will be true to his principles, but there is took much of a lack of principles with Everton to start with.

I am concerned of Bielsa talking to the Board via a interpretor, he may be misunderstood and appointed.The Board are a complete farce and the requisition forms may have the wrong information on them for the final decision makers Kenwright and Moshiri.On second thoughts it would make no difference. God help us.

Sean Roe
306 Posted 27/01/2023 at 05:19:55
Given that Lampard was a failure from the minute he walked into the club, you would've thought at least somebody from the club would be scouting at least three replacements for the best part of a year. But then you would've thought that somebody would also be scouting Richarlisons replacement given the world and his dog knew he was going.

Utter shambles!

Eric Myles
307 Posted 27/01/2023 at 05:48:29
So we're still dithering about a new manager but still don't have what we need, someone to score goals.
Bob Parrington
308 Posted 27/01/2023 at 07:05:55
I doubt that Dyche will do enough to save us. Stick or Twist, I'd like us to go in "balls and all" by appointing Davide Ancelotti!
Dan Nulty
309 Posted 27/01/2023 at 07:08:35
Completely agree Sean, our scouting system must be the worst in the Premier league. I don't understand why we haven't got lists of players for every position that have been extensively researched.

People can criticise Moyes but he was so thorough at researching the character of the player, he'd go watch them live several times and watch their body language etc for 90 minutes. I don't understand why we haven't got people who do the same.

Matt Smith
310 Posted 27/01/2023 at 07:14:02
Let's stop thinking short term. Someone like Bielsa could stay here for years and instill a real style of play.

If we do go down in the process so be it but we will be better off long term.

We only ever seem to think 6 months ahead and that's all Dyche is.

Frank Sheppard
311 Posted 27/01/2023 at 07:18:53
The slightly mad crouching Argentine, or the shouty decent ginger fella. Who will it be?
Laurie Hartley
312 Posted 27/01/2023 at 07:52:24
Frank # 311 - if it was up to the media and pundits tDyche would get the job. Worries me that because they don’t usually do us any favours.

My question to them would be why has he been out of work so long? (Like Frank was). Wolves, Aston Villa, Southhampton, and Bournemouth have had a change of manager in that period. He wouldn’t be my pick.

Jerome # 305 - I think Davies, Patterson, Godfrey, Holgate, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Iwobi, DCL, Gueye, and Onana and maybe even Tarkowski would adapt to Bielsa’s system.

Also 5 subs would suit Bielsa down to the ground.

Neil Lawson
313 Posted 27/01/2023 at 07:53:41
Just seen the pics of Bielsa at the airport. Glad he made an effort to impress.

Presumably just a free flight to catch up with some old friends in Yorkshire.

Mal van Schaick
314 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:17:29
Is this really the best that the board can do? Everyone else goes to Harrods, we go to Poundland.
Jake Lucas
315 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:23:25
Jerome #305

He speaks perfectly good English, he just chooses to use an interpreter for the media.

Dyche feels like he is only a short-term solution to me, it's frustrating these 2 are the frontrunners, both with 2 completely different styles of play. The board clearly doesn't know it's own identity and the way they want the team to play.

I think Bielsa will make us fall in love with football again, regardless of the results. If he's able to to keep us up, and we gave him time, he's the better longer-term option.

James Newcombe
317 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:44:24
I don’t see how he’s even considered; when we are under pressure about P&L and with the salaries involved? Not to mention the scrambling about trying to find players who can run in, oh a few days!
Brent Stephens
318 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:46:23
Mal #314 "Everyone else goes to Harrods, we go to Poundland."

Harrods Hampers Our Dream.

Anthony Murphy
319 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:49:01
Spent a week courting Bielsa - what a waste of precious time. This smacks of Moshiri interference as I’m sure Thelwell would have done his homework and presented a shortlist of suitable candidates that was ignored.
Danny O’Neill
320 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:52:35
I personally don't want either. but then it's down to availability and options look limited. I have no idea who we will go for and I'm past caring. I just want to beat Arsenal right now.

I got sent a link showing a great picture and quote of Arteta and Tim Cahill together. I was worried for Mikel when he took the plunge, but fair credit, he's doing well.

It made me think. Although I've long advocated against jobs for the boys, in reality, I don't care as long as they are the right people for the job.

A management team of Cahill, Osman and Pienaar.

Friday morning unrealistic thoughts with my brain in Everton overdrive.

The reality is we are getting a more refined version of Allardyce or a volatile Argentinian. I think the latter might be the better option as he will certainly set off a few fireworks inside Goodison and maybe get a reaction.

I think we all need new seat belts. This is going to be a rough ride, but I'm in.

Here we go.


Joe McMahon
321 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:53:52
Having watched Burnley multiple times over the years, Sean may get us back up as, with this squad, I couldn't see anyone keeping us up, but be prepared for hoofs upfield to non-scoring strikers.

As Colin stated on another thread, there must be a reason why he's not been approached since he was sacked.

Ray Roche
322 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:03:46
Sky Sports now saying Dyche to be named later today.
Anthony Murphy
323 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:04:33
Well Dyche it is according to SSN. Announced today.
Sam Hoare
324 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:16:57
Sounds like it’s Dyche. Sensible if uninspiring choice I think at this point in the season.
Peter Carpenter
325 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:17:59
I managed to hack the board's Zoom call this morning;
Moshiri: Bielsa. He make them run. Run more, win more.
DBB: Dyche, such a deep, gravelly voice - a poor woman's Richard Burton.
Bill: (crying) Just give me 24 hours and I'll get you Moyesie.
Sharp: Err, whatever Bill says.
Ingles: The cheapest.
So, it's on to the next round.
Stuart Gray
326 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:26:38
Not sure I see how Dyche is a good or worthy appointment. Burnley didn't score goals in the premierleague, they conceeded goals despite being "Pragmatic". What does his career tell us about his qualifications for this job?

We are going down, I'd rather go down having fun then watching a poor mans Sam Allardyce. And I don't want to watch the original Sam Allardyce

Steve Ferns
327 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:36:32
Really disappointed with Everton. Every fan should be worried by what’s happened. We wanted Bielsa. Bielsa came all the way here to take the job. Bielsa being Bielsa wanted the club to agree to certain things (specific player additions) that his analysis of our squad would fix us. Don’t just to keep us up, but longer term. We have decided to go with Dyche instead. The powers that be would rather go with Dyche and his dreadful football than fix us. With a relegation on his record and his struggles last season, I have no confidence Dyche.

This is another example of the decision makers choosing the wrong guy, just like it’s proven they made the wrong choice with Lampard over Periera (did well in Brazil since and just got the biggest job in Brazil as a result). Periera’s combustible characteristics would have been perfect for this squad of mentally weak players. Same as Biesla’s ferociousness and meticulous eye for detail is much more suited to the ills of this Everton squad than Dyche and his hoof-ball.

Paul Hewitt
328 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:36:52
Poor Bielsa, long way too come and not get it.
Martyn Thickitt
329 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:37:14
The red echo reporting Dyche will be announced as the new manager today
Daniel A Johnson
330 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:39:11
No to Sean Dyche but yes to nepotism with Davide Ancelotti who’s never managed a club never mind managed a shit show like EFC.

The mind boggles sometimes

Mark Ryan
331 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:42:10
Ranieri won the Premier League under the noses of every club in England. The man was not the best manager out there. Bielsa wants a team of runners. We don't have them. He would have been a disaster. Let him walk off into the sunset.
Daniel A Johnson
332 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:44:01
The squad is obviously not to Bielsa’s liking and given we are shopping in the Aldi waste bin for players now he would have been a short term expensive disaster.
Sam Hoare
333 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:44:54
Steve F@327, are you sure that we said no to Bielsa and not the other way around?

I think the latter is far more likely. There is a reason that he has NEVER taken over a club mid season. Not sure why he would suddenly break that rule now, for our shitshow. It may be that he was asking for an astronomical wage to break his habit? I don't know and i'd wager you don't know either.

For the first time in a long while I think the board have made the more sensible decision. Dyche has a good record with getting poor players to grind out points, he also has an excellent record in the championship where he was promoted in both his seasons there. He's not the manager that many (any of us!) dreamed of but he's a better fit for our current situation than Bielsa.

We don't even know yet how long Dyche's contract is. Might be that the plan is to have him for 6 months and then get Bielsa in the summer.

Barry Hesketh
334 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:48:50
The disappointing thing for me, is that the owner and the board, didn't seem to agree on which direction to take, before the owner sacked Frank Lampard. Owner wants exciting, foreign boss, Board want pragmatic Moyes type. Owner pushes and pushes for his man, wasting time and energy, wasting the new manager days of being able to assess the players and maybe recruit new ones.

The dsyfunction continues, because the owner wants to appoint a 'star' to impress his possible new investors, whilst, the board knows they need a relative safe pair of hands to address the real possibility of relegation. If this has been the way we have operated in the transfer market, and there's very little to suggest that we haven't, it's no wonder we could be on the verge of following Sunderland et al - as Peter Cook might have said "What a way to run a [expletive]football club!"

Whomever it is that comes in and seems to be Dyche, welcome to the crazy world of Everton Football Club, too much dull footy, but never a dull day.

Jim Lloyd
335 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:49:59
I would have liked Bielsa. I think he would do what is required to rebuild this squad and get 11 players into a team that functions. His reputation for demanding what he thinks is required, might but a board off. He may well have turned round; and said that he couldn't work with what our Board offered.
I think what Steve said about Bielsa, is right. We've missed a man who could in the long term, whether we're relegated (and I think he'd get us up first bounce) or not, would get us playing much more effective football than we do now.

If it is Sean Dyche, I'll wish him well. I think he'd get us much more organised and use what players we have in a more organised way. Would he get us promoted if we go down. Who can tell, it's a hard division. But if we can't have Bielsa, then Sean is a decent next best.

Peter Carpenter
336 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:52:47
Hopefully, this farcical, amateur, laughable shitshow will be over this morning and we will have just one clear objective - stay up. It's not over yet, not quite.
Steve Ferns
337 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:53:16
Sam, Bielsa doesn’t fly all the way here to simply say no. He gave us his usual list of demands, or in other words a list of player profiles to fix the squad, and we baulked at the challenge and took the easy way with Dyche.

I hate that people say Bielsa wants a team of runners. That’s wrong. So, so wrong. People don’t understand Bielsa. He did not bounce Riquelme out of the argentina side because he was slow, he bounced him out because he put his foot on the ball and slowed the game down. It’s the speed of the ball that concerns Bielsa, not the speed of the players. Just look at how Gary Medel (the flop at Cardiff) played such a massive part for Bielsa at Chile. Being slow is not a problem if you stay in motion and can keep the ball moving.

Laurie Hartley
338 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:53:45
If it’s not Bielsa I will be among those who are extremely disappointed. We wanted change didn’t we?. Bielsa would have caused a revolution at Everton on and off the pitch but what do we get - vanilla.

Back on the merry go round. Expletives *!?!!.

Eddie Dunn
339 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:53:48
Bielsa should have been given the job during the World Cup.
Instead our lack of decisive action after the second Bournemouth defeat has led us down this path.
If only we had acted swiftly and got Bielsa in then.
Now we have to go for Dyche.
However we know that once we start the new season, the moaning will start about the style of play and after a bad run he too will be given the boot and another guy will be appointed to manage his way to safety.
Our amature leaders just go from crisis to crisis.
I think Dyche has become the sensible option but how good it would have been to see Bielsa get the place rocking.
Neil Lawson
340 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:54:13
Assuming it is going to be Dyche now, can we all agree to call him Duchess to save the constant autocorrect ?
Andrew Grey
341 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:56:58
Dyche now 1/50 for the job, Bielsa 20/1

Not many bookies offering prices on Dyche now.

Oh well, lets get behind him!

Peter Carpenter
342 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:00:38
BBC reports Gordon back at training. He's heard Dyche is on the way and pretending he's been there all the time. Either that or hope he's got a sicknote from his Mum.
Dale Rose
343 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:01:10
So Bielsa has flown in and out again. All the information on here about him, seems to say that Everton don't have the tools for him to take the job. Dyche on the other hand could organise us enough to give us a chance at survival. What I suspect has happened is that Bielsa has been offered the job at the end of the season if Dyche can do a caretaker job and keep us up. I have no evidence whatsoever for this assumption.
Daniel A Johnson
344 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:02:08
Whatever people’s opinion if it’s Dyche we have to 100% get behind him and the team.
Michael Fox
345 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:03:40
Peter Brogan
346 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:04:27
Did Beilisa actually fly in just for that. Has Everton heard of teams?
Michael Barrett
347 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:05:20
Thank fuck its dyche he's the only one who has the experience to TRY to sort out lazy bastard players like ours.
Michael Fox
348 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:07:08
64 years supporting them, all to come to this. What a waste of a life. Mossy can stick his stadium up his arse.
Colin Glassar
349 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:08:36
Dale, I expect you are right. Little Sam aka Dyche is our ‘get out of jail’ card. He keeps us up, gets a huge wad of cash in return, and adds a huge name to his cv. Everyone wins.

On the other hand, I don’t think the job will be offered to Bielsa if we stay up. His recruitment would entail an entire overhaul of the squad which would mean an awful lot of work, planning and imagination from this board of useless, talking heads.

P.S. Bielsa, I believe, has a home in Yorkshire so it’s not too strange for him to be in the country.

Kevin Molloy
350 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:10:06
We may not stay up. but of one thing I am sure, we will see a distinct improvement over the tripe being served up every week by Lampard.
Nick Page
351 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:12:56
Bielsa took one look at Kenwright's grid and flew straight back to Buenos Aires. He can obviously spot a lying bastard a mile off.

Unless we get rid of Kenwright & Co nothing will change.

Sam Hoare
352 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:13:25
Steve F, we don't really know what Bielsa flew here for, maybe he wanted to catch up with some pals in Leeds?! But in all seriousness, we have little idea what was asked for or discussed in those conversations. If rumour is to be believed it seems that Moshiri really wanted Bielsa, but that Bielsa was never really convinced about the project and the timing. My bet is that Moshiri tried his best to convince Bielsa but that the Argentine was only prepared to start in the summer as has been the way of his whole career.

Either way, I'm not convinced that this squad could have easily or quickly pivoted to Bielsa's system. It might have been exciting to see them try but I think there's more chance they would have struggled at least initially and under massive relegation pressure things might have soured quickly. A part of me is disappointed that we didn't take the gamble but I don't think the odds were appealing.

Kevin Molloy
353 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:13:45
the thing I like about Dyche is he can spot a player. He's signed some cracking players for Burnley, and I am optimistic he can get in a couple of good ones for us before the window shuts.
Dale Rose
354 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:14:18
One thing though Colin, this shower will be swapping Barbados this summer for Formby dunes and puking up, if he does come in. So at least they can suffer with rest of us.
Dave Abrahams
355 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:14:32
Steve (337) “ Being slow is not a problem if you stay in motion and keep the ball moving”. Absolutely Steve, yet no manager in the last few years has been able to get the Everton players to do that, they pass and not very successfully a lot of times then stand still, plenty of fans on here have pointed that out many times but the players remain motionless. Onana gets loads of praise on here but is one of the chief culprits, he continually ambles around before he goes missing for huge parts of the match and yet ————————————it looks like a few clubs are interested in him, maybe Frank couldn’t get him more mobile.
James Hughes
356 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:18:04
Well good luck to Dyche and I hope he kicks some arse as the lack of fight is there for all to see.

Shame about Biesla But as Stev F said the other day, he's not the manager he was and we missed the boat a few years ago.

Let's get a couple of players in and stay up COYB

John Graham
357 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:20:32
Please can we have both of them.
Dyche would tighten up the defence while Bielsa would put some energy and quickness into the attack.
I'm sure they would get on great.
Alan Johnson
358 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:22:33
Last Chance Saloon With A British Bulldog. C.O.Y.B
Michael Fox
359 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:25:52
Dave 355
They don't move because they Don't know if the ball will reach its target or what the target will do with it. Its called fear.
Karl Meighan
360 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:26:32
As with all these appointments, all we can do is hopefully give him time and backing. Many of the previous sacked managers would have had me happy enough and optimistic for the future.

I now hope for our Club's sake the selfish players do what they are overpaid to do and give what any fan wouldn't need asking twice to do and give it everything from effort and drag their skills that made them footballers in the first place to the surface and get us out the mess we find ourselves in on the pitch.

Colin Glassar
361 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:32:06
You're right, Dale. This bunch need a rocket up their backsides. I'd love to see what Dyche has to say about Iwobi's cowardice when it comes to 50-50 balls, or Gray's running into blind alleys, or Mykolenko's refusal to cross the halfway line, or our two centre-backs' inability to organise themselves.

But the most important factor is their lack of heart and fight. No more mollycoddling this bunch of faeries. A good kick up the arse is what they need and a fucking dress code!!! This isn't Milan or Paris, it's fucking Liverpool so get in line or get out. They are the slowest, most unfit bunch of tossers in the Premier League. They embarrass us and they embarrass themselves.

Dyche needs a miracle, let's give him one.

Joe Corgan
362 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:32:12
Not sure where the narrative that Moshiri wants Bielsa and Kenwright wants Dyche is coming from. Nobody is actually aware of their actual preferences or what the positions of Barrett-Baxendale and Thelwell are.

For all we know, both Dyche and Bielsa were on a shortlist and after interviewing both candidates, the board have collectively decided to go with Dyche. And whether that's for footballing or financial reasons – or whether Bielsa just didn't want the gig, we might never know.

Joe McMahon
363 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:36:03
Karl@364, how true. The managers get the grief and then the sack, but the lack of effort (and even caring) from these players is the real issue. They have too much money and have done very little to earn it.

Dave Abrahams
364 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:37:02
Michael (363),

fair enough but passing and moving is a very basic football move and it's been missing for a long time at Goodison. I think Dyche has heard of it, having learned from being with BrIan Clough for a few years, and will apply it very quickly.

Christopher Timmins
365 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:38:01
My best guess with Bielsa is that he assessed the situation in detail, decided that it was best if he took up the role in June, with a full pre-season, be it in preparation for the Premier League or the Championship, to sort out the mess and the Board could not run with the idea.

If Sean Dyche comes through the door today I wish him well, he has an enormous task ahead of him but he is no soft touch and he might just be up to the task of turning things around in the immediate future.

He deserves all our support if he takes on the role!

Steve Brown
366 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:40:26
Being reported that Bielsa only wanted to take the job from July.
James Hughes
367 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:41:11
Michael # 367 the lack of a plan has been spotted by BPB and he has recruited Baldrick to the board to implement his cunning strategy
Peter Carpenter
368 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:58:03
No nonsense firefighter or visionary team builder? Ideally, we want a bit of both but the first is most critical right now. Hopefully, the new man can be that and, if successful at putting out the fires, can then adapt and show a more creative and developmental side to his game. Eddie Howe seems to have done that, Allardyce was incapable when he had the chance.
I'm happy to put my faith in Dyche even though he wouldn't have been my choice in ordinary circumstances. Good luck to him. Let's not forget the other task, getting rid of an incompetent, inept board that has brought us to the brink of disaster.
Sam Hoare
369 Posted 27/01/2023 at 11:00:06
Bielsa wanted to only works with the U21s until July! Love the guy but he's a lunatic!! Not even Moshiri could have agreed to that.

Like I said earlier, Bielsa has never started coaching a first team mid season. Timing was wrong.

Re-Dyche, lets see if we can look beyond the stereotype. Many people (including myself) said that Howe would not be the best choice as his team conceded way too many goals and now he's managing the team with the tightest defense in the league.

Dan Nulty
370 Posted 27/01/2023 at 11:07:46
Our scouting system must be the worst in the Premier League. I don't understand why we haven't got lists of players for every position that have been extensively researched.

People can criticise Moyes but he was so thorough at researching the character of the player, he'd go watch them live several times and watch their body language etc for 90 minutes. I don't understand why we haven't got people who do the same.

Regards to Dyche, it makes perfect sense to put him in place given the likely fact we are going down. The last thing we need is some unproven manager making further scattergun purchases of players who aren't suited to the Championship.

I wonder how many of the 46 games Calvert-Lewin will be fit for next season?

Anthony Murphy
371 Posted 27/01/2023 at 11:11:35
Wow – Bielsa's plan was to work with the U21s now and take full control in July – that's a genius/madman thinking.

Would be amazing if it wasn't impossible.

Dave Abrahams
372 Posted 27/01/2023 at 11:20:16
Dan (372), amazing, to me, that Moyes watched Beattie, Billyletdown, Simon Davies, the Swede who couldn’t head a ball several times and still signed them, not to mention a few others he signed, although being honest he did make many good signings.
Derek Thomas
373 Posted 27/01/2023 at 11:22:00
That pile of luggage Bielsa's minion is pushing doesn't look like he's here for a short stay.

Moshiri not going for a 'twofer' is he? Dyche for 6 months on a £2M basic plus £10M if he pulls it off and Bielsa getting up to speed to take over in June... in which ever League we're in.

Somebody's been thinking ahead??... Nah, too far-fetched that!

Danny O’Neill
374 Posted 27/01/2023 at 11:30:52
I won't comment any more on the manager appointment. I was more interested in some of the comments on football.

Pass and move. Let the ball do the work.

Basics of football we are all taught at 10 years old. Not stand still and admire the pass or run around like an idiot! You don't have to be quick, you just need to have a quick brain, ability to make decisions and anticipate the game.

Wise words, Dave Abrahams.

Karl Meighan
375 Posted 27/01/2023 at 12:52:32
Very wise words, Danny, Reid was apparently slow yet always seemed to have time and space to me. Other great players like Sheedy and Beardsley not slow but certainly not the quickest had quickness of thought yards ahead of most.

The players we have now seem to not have trust in their ability. Making things easier for the man receiving the ball seems to be a after thought. When players lose confidence in basics, you're left with direct hoofball as a option but I'm not sure the players we have are fit enough to play this way.

The fact Gordon is are most saleable asset on the playing side says a lot about how far we have gone backwards.

Danny O’Neill
376 Posted 27/01/2023 at 12:59:33
You only went and dropped the Sheedy bomb, Karl. You know that will get a reaction from me. He was my generation's Alan Ball. Well, mine anyway.

He could slow the game down and play it at his pace. He dictated it. Although being played on the left for a large part of his career, he was very effective in what we would now call a Number 10 position.

Beardsley was too clever for the Everton team he played in. We didn't complain at some of the passes he made, more at the players who couldn't read the game to get on the end of them.

Jim Lloyd
377 Posted 27/01/2023 at 14:37:19
I'm glad if it's settled. If it'S Dyche then I think he might just be more of a manager than there just to try and keep us up.Let's see what happens between now and the end of the season.
Jerome Shields
378 Posted 28/01/2023 at 08:04:13
Just became aware of Bielsa's Plan which was deemed unfeasible at Everton. IMO it was not unfeasible but it would have meant a complete shake up of the football side, which would have been unacceptable to the present regime at Everton.
Robert Tressell
379 Posted 28/01/2023 at 08:50:34
Jerome # 378.

I expect Bielsa's plan might have been feasible some years ago - instead of Koeman or Silva. Every appointment since then has been an emergency - either mid-season relegation fears or very serious financial situation.

Whilst I would very much like to see all manner of the club modernised, I don't think now is the right time to do it. And let's be honest Bielsa is not the same man he was 5 years ago.

Hopefully Dyche does a similar job to that of Joe Royle or David Moyes – which would provide us with much better foundations for someone to come in and take us to the next level. Much like Kompany is doing at Burnley and Martinez did at Everton (briefly).

Bielsa is not a shortcut to success. There are no shortcuts. That's the lesson of the Moshiri era.

Bill Fairfield
380 Posted 28/01/2023 at 09:08:52
Bielsa would have been a revolution at this club. Something that is desperately needed.

Still, on we go with same set-up. Good luck with it, to the new manager.

Winston Williamson
381 Posted 28/01/2023 at 09:21:42
If reports are to be believed, Bielsa wanted:

● The U21s and U18s to be revamped to match the first-team set-up;

● Change the transfer policy to only purchase young, progressive players;

● Change the culture of the club.

No, definitely not what this club needs. We don't need someone with vast football knowledge to interfere with the best-run club, who provide really good times with our current model.

All them physios out of work? Can't have that!

Stop buying average players for £20+M to then release them for nothing? Definitely not!!

Get a grip, Bielsa! As Kenwright knows! Having an actual plan and clear identity takes all the fun out of being an Evertonian! Did I say 'fun'? I meant 'power'!

Anthony Murphy
382 Posted 28/01/2023 at 09:22:10
I think, if we do go down, we might see Bielsa installed during the summer.
Jerome Shields
384 Posted 28/01/2023 at 09:49:24
Robert #379,

You are right, of course. Everton have been painted into a corner. Relegation and financial disaster limiting the options.

Maybe I am paranoid but I think this situation suits Kenwright & Co, as does Dyche, because it is a similar type appointment to what they would want to maintain the status quo. Lampard also was an appointment that suited, until relegation was threatened.

I even can take my paranoia further in that Kenwright & Co will try to hold Moshiri's new investor's feet to the fire of relegation, fearing changes in the status quo.

Brian Harrison
385 Posted 28/01/2023 at 10:24:33
Maybe we could employ Bielsa between now and the summer in scouting all the very best South American kids. This is part of the world that produces top players and as a lot of things Everton a region were we have nobody. Just imagine paying him £3m between now and the summer and him sending over some of the most talented kids. Then he comes in the summer, leave Dyche in charge for a further 12 months and let Bielsa develop all the youngsters that he sent plus our own. Then he takes over from Dyche for me that would be the perfect scenario.

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